Tuesday, March 14, 2006

Return of the Fleeing Felon Rule?

No, of course not in Illinois. What are you, nuts? But in Texas, this op-ed piece makes some good points about how the politicians and public are more willing to blame the police for when things go awry than the suspects and felons who actually cause the problems, be it car chases, foot chases or whatever. Some highlights:
  • The same goes for police chases. These have been virtually halted in many places because instead of making it more perilous for a suspect to run, we have hampered the pursuit. The media should hammer on suspects who try to escape, pointing out that they endanger themselves, presumably innocent bystanders and certainly the police.
  • And, no, it is not human instinct to run from cops when a person is not guilty (of something if not the immediate crime). It is actually perverse to resist arrest in civilized society. We need to stress this. One good way would be to make everyone afraid of being shot if they make police give chase.
Go read the whole thing. Then start looking for applications to police departments in Texas.


Anonymous Anonymous said...


3/14/2006 07:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


3/14/2006 07:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right on target. Great op-ed writing. We should send a copy to all the politicians.

3/14/2006 07:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sieser aint shit..."Olcan" runs it all! and you can take that to the bank, Jack!

3/14/2006 08:07:00 AM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

Shooting fleeing felons was always okay until the U.S. Supreme Court under Earl Warren ruled that the laws allowing for this were un-Constitutional. That included armed suspects. They did not disturb the laws allowing prisons to shoot fleeing convicts.

I don’t see a return to that practice of shooting suspects from forcible felonies in our lifetimes.

A Chicago police example case that I remember best was the shooting by disgraced 023 officer Richard Nuccio in June of 1968 at the parking lot of Franksville across from Wrigley Field. Nuccio shot a 20 year-old man after Nuccio says he threw a knife at him. The courts all ruled that once the knife was thrown and missed Nuccio that the danger to Nuccio had ended. Nuccio was convicted and sent to the Illinois Department of Corrections for several years.

Initially the DC of 023 (formerly 019), John Fahey stood behind Nuccio all the way. There were other problems with the case in that there was a history of bad blood between Nuccio and the dead kid. The police hating, Lakefront Liberals would not stop screaming about this case for years after.

I wonder if anyone know whatever happened to Nuccio afterwards

3/14/2006 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's off the post, but the Chicago Police Department yesterday morning lost a great one. 022nd District Gang Sgt. John Matishak passed away from a short bout with cancer. R.I.P "Big John".

3/14/2006 08:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Last I heard Nuncio's verdict was overturned, he got his job back, went to 008 and retired out of there. But I may have this mixed up with another case. I also thought Nuncio was a 004 District case - never heard it connected to Wrigley and your information is alot more detailed than mine so you're probably right.

3/14/2006 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He sees the uniform and runs? He did it.

3/14/2006 08:31:00 AM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

The Judge in the Nuccio case ordered Nuccio's two guns to be confiscated and destroyed. Nuccio's second gun was a blue S&W .38 spc Bodyguard with the crime lab number etched on it was given to a Deputy Sheriff as a present by the judge after the trial.

3/14/2006 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am looking elsewhere but its not Texas. This city as well as the department make me sick.

I am sick of dealing with the no good lazy blacks that are catered to in this city.

Any Chicago cop that does police work in this toilet is absolutely DUM.

3/14/2006 09:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good riddens. Have fun somewhere else, you "DUM" fuck.

3/14/2006 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frame-up; Richard Nuccio and the war on police.

by Stang, Alan

If anybody can find a copy of this article, it makes for pretty interesting reading.

3/14/2006 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC you hit the nail on the HEAD!
When is society going to wake up and blame the shitheads and not the POLICE for everything?

3/14/2006 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous annie's friend said...


Check your eMail, crimefile.

3/14/2006 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lift the residency rule!!

3/14/2006 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read an article earlier this year, in which it related that the new Supreme court Justice Alito thought that Garner vs. Tenn. was a bad decision. We need one more just like him on the SCOTUS.

Elections matter, W might have one more appointment before his term ends.

3/14/2006 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How the Supreme Court could say that shooting a fleeing felon violates their right under the 4th Amendment is absolutely ridiculous! The shithead obviously can not function in a civilized society with law abiding people. So why is it against THEIR rights to stop them when they have no regards for the rights of their victims?

3/14/2006 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Justices Alito is right! Tenn vs. Garner should be repeeled! Remember what the "Old Man Daley" said, "The Policeman is there to preserve the disorder!"

3/14/2006 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

TENNESSEE v. GARNER, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)

3/14/2006 10:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Disarm the Police! Make them carry tazers instead.

3/14/2006 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



3/14/2006 11:14:00 AM  
Blogger Sabian said...

One word: If you run, you get dropped. That might deter the "Ernest T Bass" from hitting and running.

Well I see Ms. Mitchell is stating in her "column" today that police took 30 minutes to get there for the latest kid killing in Englewood.
According to the family of the dying child, police took 30 MINUTES to arrive and it sounds like the call taker was asking if there was still shooting going on. It made it sound like officers wouldn't show until the shooting stopped. This is disgusting. WHAT ABOUT HOLDING THE SHOOTERS AND GANGS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS?!!!!!!

I am soooo frustrated with these things getting turned around so that it becomes everyone elses fault but the shooter. Maybe Mary will get a street sign on a corner where they are slingin rock. Maybe the family will sue and the city will just settle....as usual. Lots of maybe's but one thing is constant. Nothing will change. Did it change when that 11 yr old Yummy Sandifer gunned down an innocent kid?... The media and the "community" were more outraged that Yummy...poor little baby was forced to use a gun and then got offed by his own kind. WTF?

3/14/2006 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary Mitchell is usually an anti-police piece of shit, but she hit the nail on the head here.

Even though she brought up this horseshit how long it was ESTIMATED by momma for the police to get there, she did point out it only took three minutes.

I was shocked that she actually pointed the finger at the Engelwood community. I thought for sure it'd be the white man's fault or the police's fault or the NRA's fault.

Say it aint so Mary, you are ACTUALLY calling it the way it is!!

3/14/2006 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is a bit off the post, but I couldn't pass it up "John Stroger"
was taken to two different hospitals during the night and early morn, I was just wondering why Stroger Hospital wasn't one of his choices

3/14/2006 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger Sabian said...

Yes. In my frustration I didn't throw the 3 minute call/arrive time in there. Nor the fact that Mitch did point at the bad guys and in the last sentence posed the cruely or cowardice question. But, it's the same old song. You just know the heat will come back from those responsible...It was laden throughout. Why print the 30 minute accusation? It's not relevant. Why print "police say behind closed doors"? Well, they probably aren't reading the Sun Times in Englewood anyway. Theyr'e too busy putting in their "nation work."

3/14/2006 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd stake my name with a blanket denial of the half hour accusation for the 7th district. It has never, ever, taken the 7th district that long to respond to a call of that nature. The kids there take care of business 3 to 5 serious incidents at a time on Fridays and Saturdays, and they do it right.

I could see a delay in dispatching if there was a 10-1 on the air, but it sounds like the records show this being assigned in 1 minute. Almost always the case for shots fired, persons shot. Even if there is nobody on the boards available, it gets broadcast and someone (or multiple someones) comes up for it.

That accusation is a cheap shot by Mitchell. I can see how the mother would feel like it took a half hour. Who in blue hasn't felt the same way when the shit hits the fan? But I'm going to be real surprised if it took a 7th district trooper more than 2 minutes from the call going out to make it to the scene. Real surprised. 007 just doesn't roll like that.

3/14/2006 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone want to bet that Mary Mitchell's "unnamed police source" is Miss-30-Pending Patricia Hill?

3/14/2006 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anyone want to bet that Mary Mitchell's "unnamed police source" is Miss-30-Pending Patricia Hill?

3/14/2006 12:15:12 PM


Also, did you catch Hill's letter to the editor in the Sun-Times today? Blasting Cline for not renaming the Headquarters building after the first black officer to die in the line of duty.

She still cites herself as the Executive Director of The African American Police League.

She should be reminded that she is no longer the police.

3/14/2006 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would never take officer's 30 minutes to get to a shots fired or person shot call even in the worst of Districts. Dont forget the shit hit the fan in 006 Saturday because all the bangors we're having a repass at 78t and Peoria. Several neighboring Districts were asked to hang close to the boarders in case it turned into a 10-1. So once again police power had to be diverted because a$$holes dont know how to act and hide their drinking and pot smoking street party as mourning for the deceased.

3/14/2006 12:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary Mitchell is a Bitch with a CAPITAL "C"

3/14/2006 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She should be reminded that she is no longer the police.

3/14/2006 12:48:54 PM

She should be reminded that she never was the police in the first place!

3/14/2006 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, but until the Board fires her, she's is still the police.....technically.

I only had one dealing with her and it was almost ten years ago. I tried to be civil towards her, but she couldn't mask the contempt she had towards me (white male). I bid her goodday and went on my way.

Last time they tried to fire her, the Board backed off....let's see if they grew some balls since then.

And if I may ask, just how many officers are members of her organization? Just curious.

3/14/2006 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bmRead Mark Brown's article in Tuesday's Sun Times. Read the quotes from the people from Englewood. They can't even speak properly. Can you imagine what they write like. These peolple wan't to be recognized as a society!!! Give me a break. a bunch of dumb, ignorant m/1&f/1!!!

3/14/2006 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
bmRead Mark Brown's article in Tuesday's Sun Times. Read the quotes from the people from Englewood. They can't even speak properly. Can you imagine what they write like. These peolple wan't to be recognized as a society!!! Give me a break. a bunch of dumb, ignorant m/1&f/1!!!

3/14/2006 01:37:05 PM

This is satire, right? Because it would be really stupid to make fun of others lack of spelling and grammar when your own is dripping with mistakes.

3/14/2006 01:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drip this you idiot. Show me the mistakes. I Don't think so!!!!!

3/14/2006 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She may have worn a uniform but was NEVER the police!

3/14/2006 01:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For 01:42:46 You must be one of the many affirmative action morons on this job. Its because of people like you that that citizens think were all idiots.
I bet your from 007.

3/14/2006 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These peolple wan't to be recognized as a society!!! Give me a break. a bunch of dumb, ignorant m/1&f/1!!!

3/14/2006 01:37:05 PM

Drip this you idiot. Show me the mistakes. I Don't think so!!!!!

3/14/2006 01:53:25 PM
Re-read the first few sentences, genius. Or should I have my second grade son explain the mistakes to you?

I hate to play spelling police, but the irony of your posts is killing me! Now go get your shinebox!

3/14/2006 03:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is this Patricia Hill bitch?
And if she had half a brain she'd realize Cline cannot re-name buildings. And even if he could, no one PO killed in the line of duty deserves anything the others don't. Regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, religious affiliation, etc. Period!

Why did this dingbat take 30 pending?

3/14/2006 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous I can't shoot straight said...

Why can't the cops shoot the knife out his hand, or shoot to wound?

Here's the answer for those dopes who always as that question.


3/14/2006 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do we as cops never stick together. Why do coppers go out there and make a ton of arrests and risk getting jammed up over nonsense?

Why arent we marching on the mayor?

3/14/2006 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey, a little advice for all you racist,whiny,cry-baby,60 thousand dollar a year,uneducated cops....IF YOU DON'T LIKE YOUR JOB...QUIT!, GO BAG GROCERIES AT JEWEL U OVERPAID IDIOTS!!!

3/14/2006 04:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know this is off topic but WTF? The Chicago police, State police and the INS had 1000.000 illegal immigrants right in front of them dowwntown and not a single arrest was made? If you cops were under orders to look the other way you need to report this to the feds! This shit is all over the internet and we look like morons.

3/14/2006 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3/14/2006 04:21:15 PM:

I have a Masters Degree. Touche.

3/14/2006 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't report it to the Feds? LOL.

The Federal complex in downtown was SURROUNDED by the 100,000+ illegals. Who almost entirely acted civilly and waved mostly American flags.

So the 45 officers initially assigned should have, get this, asked 100K to put their hands in the air and get up on the wall?

You go first, m'kay?

3/14/2006 04:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Per General Order, we are prohibited from asking a person their "legal status."
I am not going to get fired because the federal government won't secure our borders!

3/14/2006 04:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your kidding right? The CPD had all of 45 po's assigned to this?

3/14/2006 04:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I"m glad you guys were not around during the "days of rage" in 68 when hippies were hurling bags of shit at the cops as there form of "protest" Like happened to my father! Put a dick in your pants and be the police!

3/14/2006 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3/14/2006 04:59:19 PM :

What in the sweet chocolate christ are you talking about?

3/14/2006 05:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me educate you. During the 1968 riots in Chicago the "protesters" defecated in plastic bags and then hurled them at the police. The police then knew how to deal with people who broke laws. 100,000 ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS RIGHT IN FONT OF OUR FACES?

3/14/2006 05:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 4:46

If You have a Masters Degree, why don't you shimmer on back and give it back to your MASTER!!!!!


3/14/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure if anyone threw a bag of shit they would have had their head kicked in.

But this has been discussed exhaustively here. There were originally 45 officers assigned to a crowd that grew and grew and grew for hours. A peaceful crowd. A peaceful crowd waving mostly American flags.

I realize you are an internet tough guy and all, so I probably don't want to mess with you. Plus, you sound angry because your dad got crapped on a few dozen times in the '60s by a bunch of hippies, so I'm pretty sure your rage alone could get a crowd of 100K to "put em up". But really, is sounds like your problem isn't really with the peaceful crowd acting peacefully on the peaceful peace march of last week. Don't start nothin, won't be nothin and all that.

If I even HEARD Of you starting trouble at a mass event like that, I would have joined the crowd in lynching you.

Which is to say, you got an anger management problem, go home and take it out on your family.

But 45, 400 or 1000, you don't start a riot where one doesn't exist. If you or anyone else in uniform had done any such thing, I would hunt you down and beat you just on principle.

3/14/2006 05:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

aLL RUGHT. wHGILE I"M FAR FROM AN "internet tough guy" I am from Chicago. In my family I'm considered a black sheep because I became a firefighter instead of the police. I am proud of my father who now retired I believe any cop with street creed would call the "real police". Yeah, I got off on a tear but the sight of 100,000 illegal immigrants PROTESTING for rights that you and I enjoy as LEGAL citizens of our country really ripped my ass. I'm proud of my dad and of all of the real polce. Got carried away. God bless you all. Stay safe. Never forget that the most important thing we do evry day is to go home after evry tour to our families. By the way, my old man was really pelted with bags of shit in 1968. Stay safe brothers.

3/14/2006 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow,. Just saw my own post. Sorry for the typo's.

3/14/2006 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous po vinnie fellatio said...


3/14/2006 07:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

commence Operation Condor

3/14/2006 08:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Plug Warning:

Sorry guys, just want to pass this on. In light of all the police-haters now a days, some people aren't. I just got myself a new Nissan Altima from Mid City Nissan at 4444 West Irving Park Road.

They were VERY police friendly. Ms. Dalila Dedic was very nice. Thanks, carry on.

3/14/2006 08:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

who's this "Olcan" cat? Sounds like a real groovy dude!! Does he wear shorts & dress socks??

3/14/2006 09:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


John Stroger had a stroke today.

3/14/2006 09:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Stroger IS a stroke.

Our only options in Democratic Primary: Vote Out Incumbents!

Forrest Claypool for President, Cook Co. Board

Edwin Eisendrath for Governor.

3/14/2006 09:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't mean to commercialize the blog, but a certain salesman at Jennings Volkswagen is awful police friendly as well. Best price around. His dad is an old timer working 016 desk on the midnites. Ask for Tony, pretty good guy, and the best price.

3/14/2006 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RE: Hill's letter,

Because 11th and State was named in Honor of Riordan, and the building Headquarters was moved to 35th & Mich, should not the Title also be moved with the building? Because the physical building was torn down, does that mean we forget about Riordan. Or does the Riordan name go to the new condos there, I think not.
The Riordan Headquarters Building should be the same name no matter where it is located.
Come on Phil, you know this is the right thing to do!
Or how about a sign "New Site Of Riordan Headquarters Building"!
How did we let this building name slip away?
Anyone with an opinion?

3/15/2006 01:58:00 PM  

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