Thursday, August 24, 2006

From the Comments Section

YES, it DID come from 35th Street.
But the 018 Commander was blindsighted, 'ambushed' is more of a correct term.
The reverend was unaware of what that 66 year old would say until she spewed it out. The Commander was totally embarrased!
He went directly to Chiczewski, Starks and Cline and told them of the 'total disaster.'
Cline (apparently) sent the Chief of Patrol that same day at check-off who apologized to all those present.
Williams admitted it was a snafu and indicated that he personally called the reverend and straightened it out. The rev offered to reappear to apologize. Chief Williams said it was "HIS" [brass'] duty to apologize directly to the troops, which was the reason for his appearance.
The troops at roll call showed great restraint in not confronting this woman at roll call so as not to embarass only ONE person, the Commander, who is highly regarded and respected by the troops in 018.
They did however, talk directly to the reverend and the woman AFTER roll call outside the station. Another class move on their part.
The Commander likewise appeared at roll and and took complete blame for the incident [although not directly at fault] and likewise offered his 'sincere' apology for the incident. If you know or worked for him you'd know he's a 'stand-up' guy. His sincere, from the heart apology was well accepted by those present.
Rumors and embellishments may have blown this out of proportion, but that's it in a nutshell.
A bad idea, that got worse.
Even the brass realized it when it was brought to their attention and went in for damage control to offer an explanation and admit fault.
Make your own conclusions but at least 'now' you have a little more information to make an educated opinion.

018 cop who was there for it all.....

8/24/2006 01:37:20 PM

Well, if the above is true, and we have no reason to doubt it at this point, the Commander of 018 deserves a tip of the hat for trying to stop it before it started. He also deserves a whole hearted salute for going back to the powers-that-be and telling them how bad they screwed the pooch by allowing this to happen. What the hell did 35th Street THINK was going to happen? That it was going to be all flowers and kissy faces and understanding?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!

And then sending Williams out to apologize on behalf of the brass? If we worked in 018 (which we don't), we would have sat through that apology with the same quiet we were forced into for the grandstanding "citizens" and so-called "reverends." Then we'd file out, have a beer, and reminisce about the Department we used to work for. A Department where you could actually look up to a few of the big bosses here and there and think that they actually appreciated what you went through day in and day out. If downtown had any balls what so ever, they'd have another Pax 501 sent to every district and send the brass out to every district BEGGING the blue shirts forgiveness for this slap in the face.

We might have to respect the rank, but the men and women wearing the uniform downtown right now are about the farthest thing from "Boss" that we could have ever imagined.

This entire Department has suddenly become much smaller in our eyes. Very much so.

59 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bob Evans was a class act when he was a Captain and the Watch Commander on 3rd watch in 008. He's pretty much "by the book" but you always new where he stood and he would never screw anyone. Hats off to him for being a stand-up guy and not letting a command position go to his head like so many other bosses.

8/24/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for letting us know what happened there(018). It is truely amazing that we cowtowed to the "REVERENDDS" and all of the other polictical morons over the "little idiot " who choose to point a gun, tou or not at the Police. Plea se keep up the GREAT JOB SCC!

8/24/2006 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would laugh if this wasn't so sad.

8/24/2006 04:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, That was the BEST post I have ever seen. You told it all. There's no need for anymore comments on this subject.
Give yourself a pat on the back !

8/24/2006 04:39:00 PM  
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8/24/2006 04:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since you feel so strongly about this why dont you post your name and continue to spew insults towards our Superintendent. He tried something new and it failed. I give him credit for that much. If all these members were so insulted they should have gotten off theirs butts and walked out of the room, or at the very least spoken out then. SCC again promoting discredit to CPD and its members through anonymous postings.

8/24/2006 05:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what was the substance of what the woman said? And if the info was "from 35th street" they'd probably have known William's rank as Deputy Supt, not Chief. What's the truth?

8/24/2006 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC.....................THANKS!
Thanks for the quick post of the 018 response that I left.

[Talk about a 'class act!']

I'm certain coppers will have their own spin on this, we usually do. ALL I wanted to do was put out the facts. I respect everyone's right to opinion. No one at roll call wanted the 018 Commander to wear the jacket for that incident.

It's out there, life goes on.

Thanks again for [promptly] printing 'the complete picture.'

Stay Safe.

PS.. You need not post this IF you don't want to, you'll only get [more] comments from those non-believers who think that YOU post your own positive verbage to blow your own horn.

Those that count.........know better.

8/24/2006 06:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do any of you actually think that the brain trust who we fondly know as "the exempt staff" is capable of anything less than this nonsense? We're saddled with the affirmative action hires of the Seventies and Eighties who have now been meritoriously promoted into management without regard to competence, education, or skills. If this was the private sector, where results count, these goofs would now be "pursuing other career opportunities". This smacks of Starks!

8/24/2006 06:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If everything said in this post is true, doesn't it say something about the competence or more specifically the lack thereof of the present involved command staff. Even the most inept old school command personnel, the drunks, the bums; would have known it was a stupid idea. Someone would have spoken out against it. But all that seems to exist is a bunch of yes men. "Your right boss its a great idea, yes boss your brilliant its a mark of genius, yes sir Mr. boss."

8/24/2006 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having worked for the Commander of 018 I will attest to the fact that he is a stand up boss, and probably one of the sharpest people in the command staff. I am sure he had nothing to do with this incident. The blame lies completely with Cline. He should habe went to 018 himself and apoligized rather then send Williams.

8/24/2006 06:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what happened in 018..?

8/24/2006 07:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Chicagojoe69 said...

I do believe thaat we should allow the bosses some lea way as City Hall places them in the middle at times.

8/24/2006 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Admit your mistake, apologize & move on. But don't let it happen again.

8/24/2006 07:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ths department is a F%&*ing JOKE!!! Who in their right mind would allow this to happen at roll-call?? Even to let a "reverend" address roll-call about how we should do our jobs?! The high-ups that allowed this (Cline, Williams, Starks) should be ashamed of themselves and leave this job! I worked for Evans bfore he was the commander of 018 and he is one of the nicest, stand-up bosses you'll ever meet. He will back you in a heartbeat! I can guarantee you that he feels he let his troops down when this stunt was completely out of his hands.

8/24/2006 07:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This department sucks so bad. We must have the worst bosses right now than any other time in the history of the cpd. I could probablly count on one hand the amount of honest, good, trustworthy, stand up white shirts we have. This is so sad. Every f'in one of them plays to the politicians and minorities. I wish i would have been on 30 years ago when you could count on your boss to have your back and there was a strong unity amongst the blue shirts. Make no mistake, the bosses ARE the problem! All this merit crap and promoting unqualified people just absolutely kills morale and gets you to thinking "why in the fuck am i actually even trying to work out there." There is no point. If they would just make everything legit and all the testing transparent so people know what they need to get promoted and there's no behing the scene's funny business going on, what a huge difference it would make. Along with making pretty much every unit a bidable position or based on work performance. Then you would really see a great unified department once again.

8/24/2006 08:00:00 PM  
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8/24/2006 08:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

05:14

One thing for sure is that you are a FUC*ing BOSS. Only a Boss would stick up for Phat Phil in an incident like this. Admit it , He FUC*ed up and he should be the one to apologize for this mishap. You being one of his hand picked asses should stick up for him. Why don't you post your NAME and let him know that your a FUC*KING company man and get the points you miserable piece of dog poop.That's my rant !!!!!

8/24/2006 08:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GIVE CLINE CREDIT! TRIED SOMETHING AND IT FAILED! ARE YOU KIDDING? CLINE WAS A POLICEMAN WHO DEVOTED HIS WHOLE LIFE TO THIS JOB. SACRIFICED HIS FAMILY AND HEALTH AND STILL DOES TO THIS DAY. NEVER DRANK OR HAD A BROAD. NOW, AFTER ALL THAT, THIS WILL BE HIS LEGACY. IF HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, FUCK HIM! DA BOSS IS RIGHT, HE DOES NOT HAVE THE STOMACH FOR THIS ANYMORE, OR THE BALLS.

8/24/2006 09:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DID ANYONE HEAR ABOUT THE HAMMOND, INDIANA COPPER THAT DUI A CHICAGO GUY. ANYONE KNOW THE FACTS?

8/24/2006 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous NOT SCC said...

To 5:14

Way to call out SCC. You just get out of your cushy inside spot in time to make that post? You must have been stewing that entire hour while waiting to post from a non-dept computer! As far as discredit goes, the discredit lies with the person who authorized the visitor to speak. Everyone is entitled to a mistake or two, but damn, this has been a bad year. First, hugging meeks when the Sergeant was perfectly well within his right to act. And if you don't remember, there was an officer that shot a guy for doing what meeks did awhile ago. And now, forcing an entire roll call to be put through this indignity. Give me a break already!!!!!
When Mr. Literate (daley) tells you to do something, you better damn well do it. Not to let Phil off the hook, but don't you see a pattern yet????? Election next year, can't piss off 30 percent of the population, can he. god forbid someone in the community actually be forced to act responsibly.
As far as walking out of roll call, that action would just have cemented the (negative) perception that the selected community has of the police. As well as disrespecting, from what everyone says, a good boss. I feel that the officers in that roll call acted appropriately by listening, a rarity in CPD these days, and confronting later, rather than embarrassing themselves during roll call.
What other nonsense did you write??? Oh Yeah, discredit. Let's talk about discredit. Is it a discredit to the police officers who are on the line everyday when your bosses refuse to stand up for you? Is it a discredit to the residents of the city that so much manpower and resources must continually be supplied to certain areas of the city. You have some nerve trying to discredit SCC and if you've been a police officer for more than three years, you would know the reasons behind anonymous postings.
One last thing, a public figure is open to criticism on their performance. So, while I disagree with your rant attempting to discredit SCC, I must agree with you that you have the right to criticize (Mr. Anonymous). Pretty ballsy, not using your name either.

8/24/2006 09:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its beyond the bosses's control!! We'd hope our union was going to make a difference,but its way above them(those drunken pukes). There's never going to be somebody like a HOFFA whoes going to lay his life/freedom on the line for the whole. The ghetto is pushing for a fight; the rich businesmen who really control this city have hung us out to dry; they actually know whats going on; it was always cheaper to throw out a policeman or an ocasional fireman to keep the ghetto from an uprising. The levee's going to break soon; stay tight, well armed, and dont break ranks..... If they're burning their own hoods(including the back stabbing yups)do what has to be done and stick together!! If it breaks into our hoods,get the guns out of the safes,rafters,etc(the ones that Blago hates,that rotten c*nt, whore monger,piece of crap)load many clips, and as LAWRENCE said a century ago"NO PRISONERS"!!!!! Its going to happen soon, if it doesn't break this summer, it'll happen in 07. Remember the Rodney King riots in 1992. Our ghettos erupted in that same June, and it was disguised as Bulls riots.Remember our puke mayor's speech the next day after we fought all nite" a sports team wins and people act stupid,whatau gunna do!!" SUMMARY; STAY TIGHT!!!

8/24/2006 09:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: 5:14

Try something new? Are you fucking nuts? This wasn't something new, this was just out and out stupidity! Creating the DOC,moving TAC and Gang Teams around the City, giving the men decent equipment, backing them up when everybody else wants their skin, thats something new. Inviting someone to roll call who doesn't like the Police from the get go so that they may chastize the troops, thats ignorance at it's worst. You need to get away from that desk at 35th St. once in awhile and see what it's like out in the real world. You as well as these other politicians/ wannabe Policemen who thought this was a good idea should be ashamed of themselves. And no, I won't post under my real name. Because if I did, the next thing you know another anti-police activist would be at roll call lecturing me about how evil I am.
Something new. Fucking idiot!

8/24/2006 09:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would anyone let a reverand or the reverand's posse address police officers at roll call....it was a recipe for disaster especially in light of the b.b.-toy gun incident at the green. Many of these people and followers are racist, trouble-makers and/or ex-cons. Wasn't that parade of hooligans yelling and spitting on the police enough? The Supt. should be making the apology to all patrol officers, (especially those in 018 who were subjected to that nonsense), who put their life on the line every day. God bless all of you.

8/24/2006 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that every copper on this BLOG should send a POST 05:14 and let him know what an asshole he is. I can't believe he stuck up for the Admiin. They are all fucking NUTS, 05:14 you need a reality check period !!! Cline got a bad rap because he deserved it. I know Phil personally he was a friend that changed when he became the Super. He needs to retire before he dies in office. He'll never draw more then a dozen pension checks if that.Phil , get the fuck off the job you've been here just shy of 36 years your health is not 100 % Enjoy retirement from a beach not a hospital bed.

8/24/2006 10:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NEVER DRANK OR HAD A BROAD.

Can you say, CO of 13.

8/24/2006 10:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to anom : 9:40:42pm
Yea, I recall that "motivating" speech by our FUHRER; wasn't that Matt(I havent had a drop, nor am I connected w/the MOB) Rodriguez right at his shoulder? Men of respect; yea right.........

8/24/2006 10:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT WAS SAID??????????????

8/24/2006 10:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic but, now that they've made an arrest and charged the one dealer with homicide for selling tainted heroin, did they reclassify that death as a homicide and are they going to reclassify the rest?

8/24/2006 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That 18 is a ruuuuuuuff place to work.. I don't know if i could take it. Tuuuuuufff up there.. All those good restaurants, hot lookin women, the beach, cool bars, great stores, etc. I don't see how those 18 Dist. P.O's can take it!! I feel baaaad for them. BOO-FUCKIN-HOO !

25 on the South Side

8/24/2006 11:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

18 has always been known as the party police but anyone who sat through this gross disrespect is not a copper. A whole watch let this go down. Then a few with small balls spoke outside still added proof most of you acted like cowards. Even after all the prior Bull B$it against your own Blues.

This occurred in front of the entire watch and in your place of business and in a roll call none the less and yet you all sat like obedient drones not a word, not a whimper not even a giggle?

You have not gained respect from your peers who know you are not required to take abusive actions and be played like this. No scene needed, you just get up and excuse yourself silently that's what professional adults do. You allowed yourselves to be used by bad bosses from the beginning to the very end with second hand apology and boo's after the fact. What you really did was give up your position of support to all other cops and threw your support behind the police haters and dim witted politicians and their puppet head figure simply by sitting through it all.

Cline face you for an apology, for what? Not being a Copper, if you have to be told the difference you will never be one, perfect example of who you are now lies here but a whole watch? What a sad, sad day!

Your now designated Puppet Patrol Officially and reverted back to PPO status!

8/24/2006 11:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The entire command exempts in investigative service are the worse.

Commanders, D/C's, and let's not forget that imbecile Chief Maher. Between all of them, they could not find a criminal in C.C. Jail

The detective division is totally doomed.

8/25/2006 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT WAS SAID AT THE ROLL CALL???!!!
WE ALL WANT TO KNOW!!!!!

8/25/2006 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As far as walking out of roll call, that action would just have cemented the (negative) perception that the selected community has of the police.
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And who gives a fuck what that "selected community" thinks of the police? It's the same thing they've always thought about the police. Their attitude is not going to change. Why should we kiss their asses? They're the enemy! But, then, you're probably one of those who think what we're doing in Iraq is hurting the perception of our country in other countries of this world. Again who gives a fuck what someone else thinks of us?

8/25/2006 01:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, this sounds fair to me:

A reverend spoke at out roll call.

I say let me (A Police Officer) give the sermon at next Sunday's mass at the Reverend's Store Front Church.

I am sure the people attending mass will be just as "SHOCKED" as the officers were at roll call.


AMEN!

8/25/2006 02:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just so everyone knows it wasn't our Superintendent that had this brain storm of an idea, it was none other than the biggest idiot on the department STARKS who came up with this. Cline did not know about it and probably would not approved of it. Just one more reason why Starks who lives across the street from Stroger the vegetable needs to step down and let someone in there thats competent do the job.

How many more things does this idiot need to f**k up before they say enough is enough. Get him the hell out of there if your reading this DALEY. You have already had to talk to him twice and basicly strip him of every power he has and give it to somebody like Charles Williams who has a brain. Put Williams in there and get rid of his rank that would save some cash.

8/25/2006 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nobody commented on the fact that Williams (I'm not sure if his proper title is Chief of Dept. Sup.) took it upon himself to personally apologize to the troops. To me that seemed like a pretty decent thing to do in light of the events that occurred. I know that some of you typewriter raiders will torch me for saying that but when you take responsibility while everyone is running for cover, that makes you a man in my eyes.

8/25/2006 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW !! A lot of hatred towards our Supt. and bosses. Again let me repeat myself young officers, if you were so insulted by the actions at roll call, why didnt you walk out ? OH thats right you and SCC (if not the same) can come here and insult everyone with a different view than yours. For the topic of "these are the worse bosses" get some time on the job and you'll learn about bosses who want to ruin your lives "not just for 8 hrs". This job is what YOU make it. See in years before you came along WE would write less tickets, be a little more thorough time wise on jobs, even hit the medical. The bosses understood we knew how to play the game. Try it or take your crying eyes and skate key home with you.

8/25/2006 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did Daley or Phil admonish the west side (head of CAPS) Revrend who gave the TVL's info off a wiretap a couple of years ago No! Maybe these clowns should start holding these political hacks accountable insted of P.O.'s. Also the G should look at why the high ranking GD AKA THE JANITOR in Cabrini Grren is head of the CHA's relocation efforts in the Greens information suggests he decides who gets back into Cabrini

8/25/2006 04:03:00 PM  
Anonymous william werewolf said...

Check the NYPD RANT for the "Roll Call" thread. Comments on the 18th District roll call fiasco.

8/25/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wah wah waaaaaaaaahhh !! The Supt. made us listen to the Rev. and we all just sat there. wah wah wahhhhh !! Silly I tell you, just silly...hahaha

8/25/2006 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the 018th District:

All you COWARDS that are crying about what happened at that roll call have NO HONOR and got exactly what you deserved. You other sorry asses that are making excuses for not doing the right thing and walking the fuck out are fucking pathetic too.

That is why the animals from Cabrini do what they do to you PRETEND police. They march in front of your house, get in your faces, throw rocks at your house (we have not forgotten about that OTHER incident), and NOW they go INTO your house and put you down like maggots!

What a fucking embarrasment!

You only have savages from a FEW project buildings and they run unchecked!! If, and I do mean IF, this ever happened in a real distrcit with policeMEN, coppers would be walking the fuck out and motherfucking the bitch activists and reverends too, regardless of how GREAT the boss(es) are.

When are you dickheads going to realize that unless that "great boss" is your own goddamn blood, he is not going to put your best interests before his!!!

Do the RIGHT THING and stand the fuck up for YOURSELF! No one ELSE is going to do that for you!

Show that you have some honor and self-respect, man! If one of you cowards had done the right thing and slapped these bastards back by walking THE FUCK OUT, others would have followed. If a suspension came down on your ass (I can't imagine for what), policeMEN from around the city would be buying tickets for your benefit and you would have been a goddamn HERO!

I'd love to know how many of you 018th district "police officers" talked shit about cline hugging meeks, and the lack of balls from other bosses that did not speak up on our behalf when the thugs wanted to put up that street sign. A lot I bet.

This "incident" will go down in the books as another example of cowardly "police officers" who had a chance to show their fellow coppers that they indeed have a sack, but failed to act.

8/25/2006 08:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charlie "Box-o-Rocks" has been pulling a numbers of these boo-boos, more so than even lately. Some of them have really blindided the area and district level commanders, like moving their key people around without so much as a phone call.

8/25/2006 09:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: 8/25/2006 08:13:26 PM

So you would have walked out? Suspension time be damned? WOW!!! Boy do you have GUTTS!!! By the way, you forgot to post your name and star#.

Signed, Very Very Anonymous.

8/25/2006 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get use th this crap it's the wave of the future. Every brass in the PD will allows every 5 &10 time store REv and his followers to continue to disrespect the Police Dept and our Officers. They don't want police officers anymore just baby sitters. So remember just continue doing what you doing and get it stuck up you wazo. Until we are allowed to strike or walk out we have nothing, and the Dept brass knows it. Remember we must be Politically correct for these dogs

8/26/2006 07:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
To: 8/25/2006 08:13:26 PM

So you would have walked out? Suspension time be damned? WOW!!! Boy do you have GUTTS!!! By the way, you forgot to post your name and star#.

Signed, Very Very Anonymous.

8/25/2006 11:43:12 PM

Truth hurts doesn't it? You are a fucking C-O-W-A-R-D like the rest of your co-workers. How about I post the names of you and your fellow coppers from the date and watch of the incident?

I know SCC won't allow it, but it would be nice for the rest of the coppers WITH BALLS to see so they know who some of the PUSSY, Police Officers are in the department.

Scurred, scurred bitches!

8/26/2006 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Absolute Truth, The job is doomed with the new breed.

See in years before you came along WE would write less tickets, be a little more thorough time wise on jobs, even hit the medical. The bosses understood we knew how to play the game. Try it or take your crying eyes and skate key home with you.

8/26/2006 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please watch this. I am sure there are many people that we serve that believe this. Hence, the fine roll call speeches.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5vn1tsUV68

8/26/2006 06:55:00 PM  
Anonymous The View said...

We'll probably never know whose idea it was to have these reverends come to 018 and address their roll calls. Sounds to me like the coppers in 018 showed real restraint in putting up with the obviously slanted "discussions" these invited speakers had with the troops. Good to see that we didn't stoop to the level of the speakers. Professionalism is part of the job. We've all been in a situation where our morals or sense of fiar play was offended
(Bulls riots, defending abortion clinics, gay pride parades,etc.).
No one pays us for our opinions, but we are paid to put on that professional face, even when what we have to defend makes up want to heave. And hats off to Charlie Williams for having the decency and taking the time to come out to 018 and apologize to the troops for that indignation. Kudos also to the Commander of 018 for doing likewise. I'm sure they both were disgusted at what occurred, and made efforts to correct the damage afterward. Remember, it's not who came out to speak, it who DIDN'T.
CHARACTER.

8/27/2006 04:29:00 AM  
Anonymous it who didn't, what? said...

That being a character Drone. Their lack of doing the right thing by simply excusing themselves, would have been demonstrating they were strong in character. What ever happened to strong and silent adult like. What they demonstrated was weak and wimpy child like.

Face it they stayed because they were afraid to move and take proper action, just plain afraid and ignorant of their true potential that being strength and professional leadership. Something every officer needs in the field. There was not a single action nor a collective one even showing the ability to think out of the box.

They were all used by the politicians and attacked by the police haters wishing them and their families dead in their roll call training. Even after all the other B.S. their own had just gone through. Yes, they were scared not strong and Williams was instructed to speak, Cline chose not to!

8/27/2006 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The View said...
We'll probably never know whose idea it was to have these reverends come to 018 and address their roll calls. Sounds to me like the coppers in 018 showed real restraint in putting up with the obviously slanted "discussions" these invited speakers had with the troops. Good to see that we didn't stoop to the level of the speakers. Professionalism is part of the job. We've all been in a situation where our morals or sense of fiar play was offended
(Bulls riots, defending abortion clinics, gay pride parades,etc.).
No one pays us for our opinions, but we are paid to put on that professional face, even when what we have to defend makes up want to heave. And hats off to Charlie Williams for having the decency and taking the time to come out to 018 and apologize to the troops for that indignation. Kudos also to the Commander of 018 for doing likewise. I'm sure they both were disgusted at what occurred, and made efforts to correct the damage afterward. Remember, it's not who came out to speak, it who DIDN'T.
CHARACTER.

8/27/2006 04:29:00 AM

COWARDS
PUSSIES
PUNCHING BAGS
GIRLY MEN
CHARACTER

Call it whatever you want.

I'd rather be WITHOUT character and have the BALLS to stand up for myself when I know I am in the right!

8/27/2006 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8/27
4:29am
We know who's idea it was. Peter Karl just got done telling you it was Fat Phil's idea.I'm sure old Fat fuck picked 018 first cause he knows all the pussys there would take that shit instead of jeopardizing their spots in a pussy district. More of the "pussy police" posting. Keep sticking up for Fat Phil keep sticking up for the goofs that sat through that roll call. For the few on this job with balls do you wonder what happened to this job? I sure do.

8/27/2006 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 04:29, the brains of that operation was STUPID STARKS> And that is a fact.

8/27/2006 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What the heck? I find it sad that some of you can sit there and call fellow officers "pussy police". Nice. Anyone can monday morning quarterback. It's not about YOU. Maybe you are better than everyone else. Congrats. Doesn't change the fact that your bretheren had to endure some messed up stuff. Looks like THEY can't count on YOU. We are suppossed to be a family...even assuming that some of your bretheren are weak, it only makes it worse that you attack them. If someone picked on one of your family members who did not react the same way you would, would you stand by and insult them? 9 out of 10 coppers are in it for benefits-I'll grant you that. Its sad how this job has changed. Don't like it any more than you do. And the new breed is running scared. But take a step back and look at the big picture-this is not the same job it used to be....routine stuff then gets you to ops or iad now. Once lawyers dig in and find you net assests, your view may change a tad. Kinda hard to be the "real police" on a dept. where you can't even chase a friggin car!

As far as 018 being full of "pussy police", you really must have NO idea how political that district is... I'd like to see YOU police Cabrini Green....there are blinky blue cameras on every corner, and downtown has been known to monitor the cameras. Maybe that makes a lot of coppers "pussys", but they will be "pussys" with pensions (kinda has a ring to it, maybe I'll print up some t-shirts) I have worked in most parts of the city, almost all parts WAY worse than Cabrini, but NONE as political, high profile, and constantly on film. Face it...old school policework is being squashed by the dept. I blame the Dept, not the blueshirts.

Prove me wrong. Bid over to 018, be "The Police", and the Pussy Police will all go to your benefit. I'd be willing to be THEY wouldn't monday morning quarterback YOUR indicted ass.....

8/28/2006 03:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8/28
3:17am
What do cameras around Cabrini have to do with you being a pussy at roll call? Poor baby if it is so tough there in 018 I'm sure you could bid to 011,015,007,etc. You are a fucking pussy go justify your actions to someone else or better yet leave 018 and go to a working district. You are one more example of the shit this city has hired in the last decade you little fucking baby. Afraid of your own fucking shadow. Get off the job pussy we don't need anymore like you.

8/28/2006 06:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What the heck? I find it sad that some of you can sit there and call fellow officers "pussy police". Nice. Anyone can monday morning quarterback. It's not about YOU. Maybe you are better than everyone else. Congrats. Doesn't change the fact that your bretheren had to endure some messed up stuff. Looks like THEY can't count on YOU. We are suppossed to be a family...even assuming that some of your bretheren are weak, it only makes it worse that you attack them. If someone picked on one of your family members who did not react the same way you would, would you stand by and insult them? 9 out of 10 coppers are in it for benefits-I'll grant you that. Its sad how this job has changed. Don't like it any more than you do. And the new breed is running scared. But take a step back and look at the big picture-this is not the same job it used to be....routine stuff then gets you to ops or iad now. Once lawyers dig in and find you net assests, your view may change a tad. Kinda hard to be the "real police" on a dept. where you can't even chase a friggin car!

As far as 018 being full of "pussy police", you really must have NO idea how political that district is... I'd like to see YOU police Cabrini Green....there are blinky blue cameras on every corner, and downtown has been known to monitor the cameras. Maybe that makes a lot of coppers "pussys", but they will be "pussys" with pensions (kinda has a ring to it, maybe I'll print up some t-shirts) I have worked in most parts of the city, almost all parts WAY worse than Cabrini, but NONE as political, high profile, and constantly on film. Face it...old school policework is being squashed by the dept. I blame the Dept, not the blueshirts.

Prove me wrong. Bid over to 018, be "The Police", and the Pussy Police will all go to your benefit. I'd be willing to be THEY wouldn't monday morning quarterback YOUR indicted ass.....

8/28/2006 03:17:13 AM

Un-fucking-believable, COWARDICE! Just shut the fuck up you fucking PUSSY! You just keeping digging yourself deeper and deeper!

You sorry-asses have all that energy and enthusiasm, NOW, don't you? You should have used half that energy to walk the fuck out of that roll call when the shitbirds were in there putting you down like the bitches you are and wishing your children DEAD!

COWARDS.

8/28/2006 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lot of guys in slower districts used to be hard chargers. Dont assume everyone north is a coward. maybe they just wised up. When you get some time on the job, you will at least understand why some guys burn out.

8/29/2006 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous The View said...

It's very easy to come on this blogger and refer to your fellow officers as "p****s because of what recently occurred in 018.
Unfortunately, that would have put the W/c in the position of ORDERING
everyone in the room to remain seated and simply deal with the situation, such as it was. Anyone who has ever attended a CAPS meeting has had to sit through similar circumstances, and believe me, you're NOT free to leave the CAPS meetings, especially when you're PAID to be there! It was an ugly situation, that was (hopefully) rectified by the apologies rendered by the District Commander and the Deputy Supt. of Patrol. I respect the officers of 018 who handled a clearly not well thought out "plan" by downtown in a much more professional manner than some of the "self-styled" REAL
Police who logged on here with no other purpose than to publicly demean and humiliate their brethren in blue in the eyes of many who are NOT Officers who also log on here daily. One can only imagine what the civilians who read these blogs think of us all.

8/29/2006 06:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8/29
13:58pm
Back when bullshit CAPS started, which I'm sure was before your time, those of us unlucky enough to be in "pilot" districts had to sit through bullshit classes at the academy and then back in the district go to CAPS meetings. Myself and other po's walked out of several CAPs meetings because these meetings were nothing but bash the police. So keep on justifying your pussy police friends but the truth hurts. By the way we only went to the meetings on duty the only overtime that was being stolen was by some white shirts in 015, one may be the tact Lt in 009 now. Yep he almost got indicted for the thousands of hours he stole but clout prevailed, his wife is an attorney and connected to Richie, and he was saved. Two simple facts CAPS is still bullshit and sorry but you who sit and get degraded and treated like shit at roll call by some civilians are still the "pussy police"

8/30/2006 06:43:00 AM  

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