Bad to Worse
The Atlanta PD shooting, where an 88 year old woman (previously identified as 92 years old) wounded 3 officers before being killed by return fire has just gone from a bad situation to a very bad situation:
- The confidential informant on whose word Atlanta police raided the house of an 88-year-old woman is now saying he never purchased drugs from her house and was told by police to lie and say he did.
Chief Richard Pennington, in a press conference Monday evening, said his department learned two days ago that the informant --— who has been used reliably in the past by the narcotics unit -- denied providing information to officers about a drug deal at 933 Neal Street in northwest Atlanta.
"The informant said he had no knowledge of going into that house and purchasing drugs," Pennington said. "We don't know if he's telling the truth."
This is going to get very bad very quickly and will have national implications no matter which way it goes. On one hand, you have a CI trustworthy enough to draft a warrant and get it to a judge. Now the CI's recanting and the police either have to back him for his initial info or deny he was ever trustworthy in the first place.
God help the Atlanta PD if any lies were told during or after the warrant was put together and executed. We can't see the entry team being held liable as they were acting in good faith and believed they were taking fire from a dope house. But if the officers who drafted the warrant aren't 100% legit, what you have here could be charitably called Manslaughter. If the Feds prosecute, throw in some civil rights charges and someone is facing 30 years easy.
God help the Atlanta PD if any lies were told during or after the warrant was put together and executed. We can't see the entry team being held liable as they were acting in good faith and believed they were taking fire from a dope house. But if the officers who drafted the warrant aren't 100% legit, what you have here could be charitably called Manslaughter. If the Feds prosecute, throw in some civil rights charges and someone is facing 30 years easy.
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
45 Comments:
With this incident and the caper in 022, is it any wonder why the Department is asking for more accountability on search warrants.
It goes to credibility. Is there some reason the police would have asked this CI to lie about this house? Do they have something against elderly women...or were their careers just going too smoothly and needed some drama thrown in? Is there a reason the CI would lie? Probably a thousand.
Coppers have to realize that this job is becoming a business oriented career.
One must take on individual responsiblity. This means respond to service calls in a timely manner, keep comments outside of squad cars, keep radio activity to a minimal, and go directly to your lunch location. In addition, go to all service calls and make out reports when needed.
Following these guideline will sadly keep you out of a lawsuit or the news.
That is why the Search Warant procedure should change. The S/W should be a JOHN DOE warrant, the statements made by the JOHN DOE should be taken down by a court reporter in a judge's office and the old C/I Search Warrants should be no longer unless an emergency applies, such as the preservation of life or other high value situation. NOT FOR NARCOTICS.
Having this in place would protect all involved.
Check the NYPD RANT regarding the shooting in the 103rd Pct., Jamaica, Queens.
At the behest of Sharpton, et al., Bloomberg and Commissioner "Popeye" are throwing five NYPD coppers to the wolves. This, despite the fact that like the three perps, three of the five are "minority" officers.
One can only imagine what the cowardly Bloomberg would do if all the officers were white.
When are these jagoffs going to learn that when someone puts police officers in fear of their lives, in this case with a motor vehicle, they will be shot. Unless and until the deadly threat is ended, the number of rounds fired is irrelevant.
Based on the city's acquiesance in the Meeks affair in 005 and the "Chairman Fred" street sign debacle, don't think it can't happen here.
Daley and his lockstep CPD brass will sell you out in a heartbeat, guys!
Fuckin Bull!
A CI swears as stated in the "search warrant" Police can only go on his prior reliability. Check his prior reliability and his bullshit lie's after the fact now should be dismissed!
A judge makes the determination of reliability NOT the police!
It's on the judge and prosecuters who signed the warrant!
talk about putting the boot on the neck of the Chicago RE bubble!
Get ready to pay
If you own a home or property in Chicago, it's probably worth more -- maybe two or three times more -- than it was three years ago, according to the Cook County assessor. And you'll be taxed accordingly.
These black invoved shootings make me sick. So its OK for a black man to run over the Police. Its not ok for the Police to protect themselves.
I like how the media shows a picture of young sean bell and one of his kids. yea how many kids with different mothers does this puke have?
Im sorry and this probably wont get printed , however these people are out of control. Thats it.
So how may shots fired is acceptable. I just want to know so I fire the right amount when some ghetto rat tries to run me down.
SCC, what about that big chase in 010 last night? Me hears it started in 010 and went to the depths of Hinsdale! Can someone say GPS!
Better to be judged by 12 than
carried by 6!
I've been reading this blog for a while now. I'm really liking the police officer's perspective here. I'm currently in school in ATL and I've heard about this shooting of an elderly person. And I'm glad to see your perspective on it.
However, I would like to see your take on this story...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/25/nyc.shooting.ap/index.html
The only reason I can think that this shitbird is claiming that the PO-leece lied on him is, the local gangstas found him out. She probably was "maw maw" to a few of them and was supplementing her SS checks. I've never been comfortable with CI's, if they want to give up a house then they see the judge.
http://www.chicagofop.org/Surveys.html
click on wish list and type what you want from the f.o.p.
U gotta love NYPD, SCC, its "expend all ammo" w/those guys.....
I remember walking the beat several years ago, when the electrical infrastructure was burning all over Lakeview. I walked up on a ComEd truck, and there were 3 guys sitting in the front seat. I said to them "thanks for taking the heat off of the PD, u guys are the cities jagoffs for this week!" They snickered and as I was about to walk off, one of them said "Hey officer, we should chip in and buy a keg and throw it into a firehouse!"
Why dont all u beefin liberal pukes kiss my ass!
Why is www.uiuc.edu (University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign) based in Chicago monitoring this SCC site 24/7?
Daley/Cline minions???
Mayor Michael Bloomberg bluntly said officers appeared to have used excessive force when they fired 50 shots at an unarmed man in a confrontation outside a strip club hours before his wedding.
I'm so glad NYC's mayor stands behind his police department--they should let that city burn. How sad.
Well, I really hope that it all works out for the officers involved. It should. Even if it was the wrong house, 1. they had a warrant ISSUED BY A COURT, and 2. an old lady was SHOOTING at them. This is a sad situation, not a criminal situation.
Great so I can look to paying thousands of dollars more a year in property taxes to a corrupt county government.
We all know how expensive it is to live in this city/county and they are going to make it worse.
Most coppers dont have two dollars to rub together at the end of the day with taxes, bills, private school for kids, etc.
I am in no way defending their actions, but do you think it is a coincidence at the alarming rate of coppers getting locked up by the G for taking money?
I love how only one or two thousand take the CPD test now, and it used to be in the tens of thousands. But don't worry, Phil says we have 13,500 so it must be true.
No wonder I know of at least four Chicago cops looking for jobs in the suburbs (outside of Cook County).
Mayor Richard Daley on Tuesday defended Robert Sorich, a one-time aide, and three other former city officials sentenced last week following federal convictions, calling them men of good character despite their roles in a City Hall hiring fraud.
Takes one to know one. Go Pat Go
Hahahaha (really not funny) but again only working coppers get jammed up....I ain't doing shit the rest of my career. Come to think of it, I haven't done shit the first twenty years, and proud of it.
Gee, it would be just terrible to believe that these NY coppers might have screwed up. It happens
not just there but any Police Department, I wonder if this is why everone has to get together after an incident to get their stories right????? it appears that this shooting in Atlanta is falling apart.....even after some here proudly indicated that this lady was holding dope for a younger relative. No proff, just blind speculation But, of course their Black and automatically guilty. Wonder if Bloomberg has some knowledge about this case that some of these bloggers don't, maybe thats why he is taking a stand offish position. But, he was okay with alot of people when he won the election for mayor, replacing old Rudy.....but, how can NYers go wrong, he's White and a Republican to boot. Oops that was up until this incident, the turn coat!!!
"the number of rounds fired is irrelevant."
Nice try & leaving out relevant information. In the case of the NYD incident the POP
OFF TOPIC...What about this property tax issue in today's Sun Times? This will be the death blow to this city. Lets'see, property tax increase but the public schools still are some of the worst in the nation.
It's time to legalize dope.
Narcotic enforcement is the
largest drain on resources in
law enforcement.
The number of volent crime would drop, and law enforcement can
concentrate on important issues.
Such as, parking enforcement.
To all the nit-wits that don't want the po-po in your 'hoods.
Start giving up the dealers and other criminals. Other wise deal with it yourselves.
I always laughed to myself when I went to dudes crib and ended up locking him up for dope or a pistol. Mama would start
yapping, "he didnt do shit, why you locking him up." Then the next night she calls wanting him out because he pimp-slapped her.
If dude don't work, keep him out of the crib. (real J.O.B. not slinging dope) End of domestic trouble.
Savings in man hours. Less beefs.
speaking of bad to worse, did you hear about the recruit that discharged a round on the line?? rumor has it that this recruit is only going to take a couple of days...he should be fired! that kind of inattention to detail almost got one copper killed, do we have to wait for round 2?
Mayor Bloomberg knows as much about police work as "Reverend" Al Sharpton....ABSOLTUTELY NOTHING!!!! The police union should sue that crap mayor for slander for his uninformed bullshit statements.
hey scc! where is your blog posting of the po that got caught parking in a hanicap spot.lets hear about that like we heard about the po with bogus check
Wake up and smell the coffee...it's the totality of the circmstances at the time of the shooting that matters most. At least that what the Supreme Court has said. In Atlanta, let's reember that 3 cops were shot, right or wrong, and had a warrant issued by the court. And let's remember that in NYC all that matters is the perception of the officers involved in the shooting...not the number of rounds fired...that matters. If, as the Supreme Court has ruled, the officers perceived at the time of the shooting, A FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES, (in other words, death or great bodily harm), thy were justified in shooting. No court HAS EVER RULED ON THE NUMBER OF SHOS FIRED BEING THE SOLE REASON FOR EXCESSIVE FORCE. Go home alive and hug your family...that's the ONLY rule.
I like how the NBC5 story tonight on slow police service with RAP's made it look racial. Or here's a thought, maybe the districts where these huge RAP's occur has a bunch of dog-asses on the watch who will stay down all day on bullshit jobs and the dispatchers/supervisors won't have balls to clear them up.
Whoever the dispatcher was who made the race alligations should be fired. Too bad we'll never know because he was a punk and hid his identity.
There is a reason RAP's occur, it's called NOT ENOUGH POLICE ON THE STREET. Sure, Phil says we have 13,500. Now who believes that shit?
Even if we had 10,000, which is a strech, lets subtract thousands who are dics, pushing desks, specialized units, headquarters, academy, etc. That leaves not enough police on the streets. Want better service? Hire more police.
Oh I forgot we cannot hire more police because no one wants this job anymore. I am sure it is just a coincidence that we only have a small fraction of the numbers we used to have taking the test and the fact no honest P.O. can afford to live in the city anymore. I LOVE the fact my huge property taxes are going even higher to help fund the corrupt democratic machine!
Drop residency, more people will take this job. NYC, LA and the majority of the other big cities have seen the light. Here is Chicago, behind the times as usual.
Merit nominations came out last night for Lt's and Det's.....FYI...make your calls and "Get on your knees"
Hey SCC:
Off Topic,
I'm sure you already saw this on NBC5 about RAPs.
http://www.nbc5.com/news/10417034/detail.html
A good Thread topic.
Off topic
Anyone catch Chan 5 report of delayed police service, touche' to the Cpd Willams for placing the blame on myself and co-workers for not using the ample resources the city has. The Gang and Tact teams! The delay is because the dispatchers don't use them. Watch out boys and girls, time to play by the rules. Via la Caps! 1 priority 1a job and nothing stacked. 4 disturbances is the most CAPS allowed stacked. Then when I run out of uniformed officers, I'm going to deplete my tact and gang teams, JUST LIKE THE ORDERS READ. (just like we all do!) To all the boys and girls in gang/tact better make sure your bosses put you down over the air just like the orders state. The piece aired, with the idea that the black and brown communities don't get police service like the white communities do. They mentioned how neglected 008 and 022 are. I don't know but the last time this southsider checked was living in a "white" neighborhood. But apparently I and my neighbors are being neglected, suddenly I was living in districts of color. How funny, I don't get new sidewalks or facades on the front of my house for free. I'm really starting to feel abused now. Peace, Squad
Just watched special on NBC news about response times in BLACK areas of city. I work in ghetto we are in RAP the whole tour. We get in progress calls hours later. Let media know about this. We have NO police on streets! That rat Charles Williams stumbled through interview trying to tell news that dispatchers are suppose to give those in progress calls to tact teams ect..Yeah ok when was the last time they have done paper. Why doesnt that worthless TRU unit answer jobs when in districts? Hey if any bosses re reading this make TRU do jobs or disband them! I have 5 jobs stact as I see 5 TRU cars parked in district on 1811? Get real
The cops in N.Y. are taking a lot of hit more due to Bloomberg and his political needs. The take on Sharpton is his claim. His suits are not owned by him he merely has access to them, and he does not own his home, kinda like his suits. He is one live, slick, greasy threatening act character for sure.
Bloomberg or burg's media comment, that Officer's are suppose to blow three rounds then pause was inaccurate. So an Officer in direct threat of bodily harm should do what? Shoot three rounds, pause shoot three more rounds then pause again? Guess N.Y. would rather carry their Officer's in coffins then see them go home to their families. Blooms ignorance and promoting that ignorance on the news none the less, is not a valid fact and it's deplorable and unacceptable! What say you?
Bloomberg doesn't give a shit about his P.O.'s. If he could, he would have them stripped of carrying firearms. He's an anti-gun zealot who doesn't care about anything else.
New York City Mayor David Dinkins once paid (with city dollars) for the funeral of a Dominican crack dealer who was coked up and tried to kill a cop but was shot by the NYPD. He lost his job the next year to Guiliani. Guiliani went the complete other direction, cleaned up the streets, and supported the police 100% of the time-killing his popularity in the minority communities pre-9/11. Bloomburg was never law enforcement (Guiliani was an USA), but has always been diplomatic first. His saving grace is that he has a very pro-police commissioner, and I believe that his show for the cameras was just an act of diplomacy, and these officers will be cleared...and he will have managed to do his part to calm the would-be-rioters. It's pandering to idiots, but as he's been a good mayor so far, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Members of the Democratic Party (Gangster Disciples) shot up the Robbins Police Department building yesterday has anyone seen a news story about it.
My sister works in payroll. She just set up the distribution cue for the checks for duty availability on Dec 1. She said the number is 9,598 checks. Where is 10,500?
What the fuck!!!
Just watched special on NBC news about response times in BLACK areas of city. I work in ghetto we are in RAP the whole tour. We get in progress calls hours later. Let media know about this. We have NO police on streets! That rat Charles Williams stumbled through interview trying to tell news that dispatchers are suppose to give those in progress calls to tact teams ect..Yeah ok when was the last time they have done paper. Why doesnt that worthless TRU unit answer jobs when in districts? Hey if any bosses re reading this make TRU do jobs or disband them! I have 5 jobs stact as I see 5 TRU cars parked in district on 1811? Get real
Quit yer crying about TRU, what people in the district don't go in on 1811 pinches? grow up, handle your calls and deal with it like everyone else.
Quit taking the side of police just because you are the police if you were in New york or atlanta when the incidents occurred you can talk. Otherwise, All police are are not truthful and right every time. Get Real People!!!!!!!!
Quit yer crying about TRU, what people in the district don't go in on 1811 pinches? grow up, handle your calls and deal with it like everyone else.
11/29/2006 04:52:05 AM
Well it takes 5 TRU cars to do an 1811 because they are 2 year wonders and have know idea what they are doing. Its PPO's teaching PPO's, welcome to TRU.
I'll say it agian, TRU rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You all are a bunch of cry babies, oh, and by the way, TRu does frequently answer up for jobs you friggin goof. Go suck your thumb now.
Nova on PBS did a feature story on Dinkens and the Dominican dope dealers years ago when Dinkens was still in office they alluded to the fact that he was more than likely in bed with the Domincans.
Well it takes 5 TRU cars to do an 1811 because they are 2 year wonders and have know idea what they are doing. Its PPO's teaching PPO's, welcome to TRU.
There's five cars because they are on their own pinches, quit the jealousy bullshit already, it is soooo played out. We did the seniority by roster last week, there is a nice mix of people there as time on the job applies so try to come up with a new angle to spew your bullshit.
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