New Guns! But....
We heard the Department is going to approve a new weapon for the first time in something like 100 years. Well, maybe not 100 years, but damn near. We saw a flyer for these guns in passing, but didn't get a look at the manufacturer or models that will be approved.
It's too much to hope that the Department would go back to a Double-Single configuration, but we've heard they might actually approve a .40 caliber weapon. We're sure one or more of our readers have some insight. Unfortunately, word has probably already leaked out to the various gun shops and they will have already added $150 to the price of the gun. We are also getting word that certain parties are resisting the implementation of a weapon mounted flashlight on a built in tactical rail. The fear is that officers will use the weapon mounted flashlight in place of their regular flashlights.
So let's get this straight - We're the police. We've gone through quite a bit of training. We qualify every year. We're finally getting the option to put an extra 100 rounds though our guns at Department expense for the first time ever. We're expected to make instantaneous life and death decisions at the drop of a hat. And the assumption is that we are going to wave our guns around at traffic stops, field interviews and maybe while pointing out a street sign in the dark to a lost tourist?
Actually, there might be a moron or two who does something like that. But it's overly sad that this Department has to stoop so low as to even consider that this might happen. And to counter act it, they have to kow-tow to a bunch of pencil pushing liability lawyers and mold an entire weapons system to the lowest common denominator.
What do the readers think? Is a built in tactical flashlight going to make you discard your stand alone flashlight, forget elementary gun safety and turn you into a drooling moron? Or is a tactical flashlight merely another tool in a long line of tools that this Department has ignored for decades to the detriment of officer safety and modern policing? (can you see which side of the issue we fall on?)
It's too much to hope that the Department would go back to a Double-Single configuration, but we've heard they might actually approve a .40 caliber weapon. We're sure one or more of our readers have some insight. Unfortunately, word has probably already leaked out to the various gun shops and they will have already added $150 to the price of the gun. We are also getting word that certain parties are resisting the implementation of a weapon mounted flashlight on a built in tactical rail. The fear is that officers will use the weapon mounted flashlight in place of their regular flashlights.
So let's get this straight - We're the police. We've gone through quite a bit of training. We qualify every year. We're finally getting the option to put an extra 100 rounds though our guns at Department expense for the first time ever. We're expected to make instantaneous life and death decisions at the drop of a hat. And the assumption is that we are going to wave our guns around at traffic stops, field interviews and maybe while pointing out a street sign in the dark to a lost tourist?
Actually, there might be a moron or two who does something like that. But it's overly sad that this Department has to stoop so low as to even consider that this might happen. And to counter act it, they have to kow-tow to a bunch of pencil pushing liability lawyers and mold an entire weapons system to the lowest common denominator.
What do the readers think? Is a built in tactical flashlight going to make you discard your stand alone flashlight, forget elementary gun safety and turn you into a drooling moron? Or is a tactical flashlight merely another tool in a long line of tools that this Department has ignored for decades to the detriment of officer safety and modern policing? (can you see which side of the issue we fall on?)
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
78 Comments:
SCC re read your fourth paragraph
In it, you admitted that some moron my actually use his weapon mounted flashlight in an inapporpriate manner, after you lambasted the city for stopping so low as to do the same.
Get some rest and lay off the egg nog
Merry Christmas
A new gun Huh! We'll to see is to believe first. The City that works!! Oh by the way only for the Mayor and his constituents!! But for the rest of us better luck next time.
My vote would be to bypass weapon-mounted lights altogether and allow the officer to carry their choice of 9mm, .40 or .45 ACP caliber pistols. Hopefully, Glocks and Springfield Armory XD pistols will be included on a new approved pistol list.
Weapon-mounted lights would force anyone who wanted to use one to go out and buy all new holsters, for starters. Secondly, the department should allow officers to use weapon-mounted laser aiming devices, if they desire. I would much rather see that approved over weapon-mounted lights. Can you tell I'm not a big fan of weapon mounted lights?
Merry Christmas!
The Big Jim Molloy already put a brick on the approval for a 40 caliber handgun. He was overheard at 35th and Michigan saying...
You know we can't approve this, Lt. Richie Scotchbreath will confuse his 40 caliber with his 40 oz beer! We'll have a suspect covered in beer and a Lt. with a 40 caliber in the mouth! Can't have this, NO WAY!
Swear to god, the honest truth! Heard it myself!
Glock Models 22 and 23 (.40 S&W cal.) - Smyrna, GA
Springfield Armory XD (.40 S&W) Geneseo, IL
All new generation Glocks (excluding sub-compacts) now have rails for mounting tactical lights and/or laser aimers.
Currently, there are no known duty holsters to accomodate the MOUNTED tactical light. In all probability, you would have to have a separate pouch on the belt for the tactical light.
However, the Crimson Trace Corp. www.CrimsonTrace.com is the major manufacturer of lasers for both pistols and revolvers. The device is incorporated into the grip of the firearm and is compatible with standard holsters.
Springfield Arms XD (in 9mm, .40 and .45) Smith & Wesson MMP I beleieve it was and the Glock....There will extra training required for the GLock I hear...
Fired the Springfield XD and it is a very nice firearm...
New equipment coming faster than it ever has, we are almost like a "real" police department
G L O C K S!!!
Simply the best guns on the market for cops. They are "policeproof"! Glock corp has a demo gun at their factory. The demo gun has like almost 1 million rounds fired through it without a jam. Never cleaned, never maintained, no malfunctions. Not what one might call good gun maintenance, but lets face it, on the whole Cops dont take care of their guns. Most coppers clean their guns annually at best...Glock is "POLICEPROOF"
Hopefully someone else figured this out too!
Glock 21's-14 shot .45 ACP with rails for the tac liight would be nice to keep our coppers safe!
Okay, I guess that's too easy!
Oh Brother, settle down glory boys.. all you need is a .38 wheelgun. HUT-HUT-HUT
who needs a flash light on the gun ?
do like I did last week looking for a burglary offender in the dark while in a large mulit room building
gun in right hand,
flash light in mouth ( while I open the door to clear the room)
continue search...GUN IN RIGHT HAND ,FLASHLIGHT IN LEFT HAND...GRAB OFFENDER WITH MOUTH UNLESS YOU HAVE A THIRD ARM...
it's very simple you morons
the dept bosses will authorize the uses of a third arm.
Currently, there are no known duty holsters to accomodate the MOUNTED tactical light.
Hey 12:52 Go to this link:
http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum1068.php
Stop A SORT car and ask to see their holsters.
Can't imagen how any light, of any design, affixed to the weapon would sufficient illumination in a tactical situation. The SIG's are great, the Beretta is pure perfection. I buy apple struedel weekly, man, dem Austrians can bake! But just how much better is a Glock over the aforementioned guns, if at all? I think we need to return to the double single firings system on all weapons.
Glocks are overrated as a hole. Yes they are excellent in the sence that it is almost impossible to jam and the .45's do have a nicer magazine capacity, but I've heard several coppers say that they shoot better. Bad news for those who think that, if you can't hit the side of a wall with what you've got, it's not the guns fault. Also, the laser sight would be a great addition but it will NEVER happen, the city doesn't want us to kill people, it's bad press. Stay safe and remember, the ONLY important job we get in a tour is to make sure we all go home at the end of it, all the rest is B/S.
Forget about the weapon mounted lights. They are actually worse than the piece of shit STINGERS we now carry. I've gone thru 4 this year alone. Cheap ass PLASTIC that breaks. Battery life sucks and they are not that bright! Let us carry the Mag-Lights again. A good back up tool and bright enough to distract the shit heads!
Blackhawk gear has a rail next to their holster for storage of tac lights and lasers. That's quicker than a pouch.
do like I did last week looking for a burglary offender in the dark while in a large mulit room building
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How about the guys on Midnights looking for the person with a gun? They might need that light.
go see mike in 16. he's got the best gun. carries a 41mag 6" nickle plated revolver.
........continue search...GUN IN RIGHT HAND ,FLASHLIGHT IN LEFT HAND...GRAB OFFENDER WITH MOUTH UNLESS YOU HAVE A THIRD ARM...
How about you draw your weapon, put on your leather gloves, then pull out your rail mounted flashlight, with the "red" lens on, attach it to your gun, then search then bad guy pops out with no weapon and you start to fight dude, then you try to reholster and you realize you have a flashlight attached to your gun!!!!
.40 cals and .45's on the list. if local gun shops try to rob the cops blind by upping their prices, buy your gun from a private dealer or a shop in Indiana. All you have to pay is a $50 transfer fee to your local gun shop, where you can pick the handgun up. It's just an option that might save you (police) $50-200 on these soon to be mark up's. These gun shops should have to battle for our business. If a certain shop doesnt want to meet or beat anothers price, boycot them and make it known to other coppers.
Mary Chritmoz Fromz Da Ghettoz!
TRU C-Company #1
Hope everyone has a Great Christmas. Have some turkey and ham for me, i have to work!
Although rail-mounted flashlight help, they still are inadequate to the choices available that are handheld. Handgun mounted lights are limited for now to 65 lumen incandescent/Led lights, the ones I see most P.O's carrying are Led, easily washed out with ambient light. which is even worse at distance spotting and color rendition, contrast-say if you are looking to see who or what is behind a bush. On the other hand hand-held lights give the option of up to 500 lumens of light. The choices available for rifles of course allow the use of these longer brighter lights. That being said, Gun mounted lights are still a good tool to have.
I have a sig. with the tactical light (and holster). It works great, you get to hold your pistol with two hands and identify what your gun is pointed at.
one word, "Heavy Barrel" If that's approved, I'm in.
Glocks are not the best Police gun out there. If not trained properly in thier use there are going to be many NG's. I hope that the City mandates the NY trigger if they are going to authorize the Glock. Remember, the Glock is really nothing more than a single action weapon. The only difference is that you can't see the inner workings as you can with a 1911 or a BHP.
Personally, I think they should ban ALL semi-automatics and go back to the six shot wheel gun. Much safer and it worked well for the last hundred years.
I'll take my 9mm. Beretta anyday over these plastic guns. Nothing but Austrian junk.
I went to Shore Galleries yesterday to take a look at the Springfield Armory XD. Beautiful gun..... I hope they are approved soon along with Glock.
Also found out that Beretta and Ruger are done producing DAO (double action only) pistols. NO money in it.... CPD is one of the few who use DAO. Current choices are now limited to just the Sig and Smith & Wesson.... Sig makes an excellent weapon and Smith should, well... stick to revolvers.
Hope we have more choices soon since the city will probably not go to Single-Double Action. Striker-Fired guns like the Glock and XD would be fine additions.
There are alot of coppers that can't spell. They must be supervisors.
TO MARTIN RIGGS:
Arn't u a mayor somewhere in Israel?
"We've gone through quite a bit of training. We qualify every year".
SCC Are you kidding?
Our firearms training& the like is abysmal. We're Probably the most poorly trained Department in the Country.
I agree with the 1st poster Ease up on the Nog, it's putting you in a Fog.
If you are looking for a good weapon light try the new streamlight tlr 1 and tlr 2. The tlr 1 is just a light the tlr 2 is a light and laser. They are metal and resistant to the elements and have a decent light output. Surefire makes a few real good lights, including the 200 series. They make a few military grade lights too but they are expensive. Run a google/yahoo search on surefire military.
Safariland 6280 and 6285 both offer a version to keep the light on the weapon while holstered, I know because I currently use one. They offer it in leather, nylon and kydex (hard plastic). It is probably the most tactically sound approach to police work, and to the officer searching the building, the safest approach. Hopefully the department will see past their ignorance and allow to use it.
The police department should do away with all ammo except for rubber or less than lethal ammo. In most cases we should focus more on verbal defense.
Off topic...
Does anyone know the status of that strange shooting case involving that former Chicago cop turned railroad cop, Howard Morgan?
I want a lite AND a laser sight
Go to Mega Sports in Plainfield,Il I bought a S&W 4586 3yrs ago from them and paid $550.O'Herron's wanted $700.Good people and like the police.
anonymous said...
one word, "Heavy Barrel" If that's approved, I'm in.
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Two words - You can't count.
"the dept bosses will authorize the uses of a third arm."
"The department will never authorize the use of a 3rd arm since the only thing it would do is scratch your nuts. Trust me!" That also came right from Malloys mouth but it might get by since Cline thinks it might be handy enough to hold another slice of pizza.
"We've gone through quite a bit of training. We qualify every year".
SCC Are you kidding?
Our firearms training& the like is abysmal. We're Probably the most poorly trained Department in the Country.
I agree with the 1st poster Ease up on the Nog, it's putting you in a Fog.
Apologies for not being clearer. We meant that we ourselves have gone through quite a bit of training. We sign up for things. We try to keep up on the orders. It wasn't meant to be firearm specific. Firearm training is sorely lacking and we've addressed that in previous posts. We know people who have advocated QUARTERLY qualifications. Again, sorry for not being clearer.
Think about it for a minute,when the dept.has to make a change in anything.They HAVE to take into the account of the small amount of complete morons that should have NEVER been hired as the police,but are on the job and make such stupid ,idiotic mistakes that it makes us all look bad.You would not believe the beefs that come in that you never hear about.I'll give you a little hint of some of the districts where a lot of these morons work. 003,005."uh squaaaad,we needs a supervisor over here",sound familiar???
If both Glocks and Springfield Armory XD's are approved, I recommend going to a range and renting and shooting both. I did and immediately bought an SA XD-45. It's the nicest gun I've ever carried and I'm used to carrying 1911 .45''s. 13+1 .45 ACP capacity is SWEET!
Merry Christmas!
Piss off Huebl/Crimefile. Weren't you on here last year saying the coppers story is fishy and Morgan was a victim? A car from a separate unit stops to help another car and 3 of them end up shot. Then you cook up a conspiracy. O.J. should have hired your ass. Go back to sucking up to D list celebrities.
Anonymous said...
.40 cals and .45's on the list. if local gun shops try to rob the cops blind by upping their prices, buy your gun from a private dealer
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There are plenty of gun stores besides Shores and Ray's. Do some research, don't get ripped off.
Anonymous said...
Glocks are not the best Police gun out there. If not trained properly in thier use there are going to be many NG's. I hope that the City mandates the NY trigger if they are going to authorize the Glock.
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The NY trigger is worse than the Sigs. That is actually worse than what we have now. I hope you are just trying to be funny. Otherwise, it's the typical backassward thinking of this Dept. All decisions that might help the guys in teh field are made by house mice and dinosaur bosses that don't even carry a gun anymore, just their Blackbarries!
God help the CPD!
CCSPD has the Glocks. Anyone hired after 1995 has to carry them. Coppers hired before 1995 can carry their wheel gun or an assortment of sigs, smiths, berettas, and the glocks.
We can carry glocks in 9MM, .40, and .45 AUTO. Off the top of my head, I'd say 40% carry the 9, 40% carry the .40SW and 20% carry the .45 AUTO. I have a M-21 and a compact .40 SW
Personally, I think they suck. I shoot better with my Lightweight Commander 1911 than I do with my M-21. I shoot slightly better with the .40 than the M-21. I shoot with my Commander best.
Yeah it is nice to have 13 rounds of .45 hollowpoints, but the grip is so damned big! I have a relatively large hand and it is still like shooting with a 2X4 in my hand!
Now that we have a new Chief, some of us are going to try to make a sale for the S/A 45 AUTO. The Colt, Springfield Armory and my new favorite the Kimber.
THe S/A guns have a shorter trigger reset. It is easier to get second or third shots off while still being on target than those f-ing DAOS that your Mayor saddled you with.
The safety is different, but I was told many years ago by my instructors Ofcs. Quill and Rewers that the real safety is between my ears, forget the gadgets. 20 years later, they are still correct.
In defense of the Glock, there are guys who like them. Super. Keep using them. I just feel that the 1911 is my choice of poison, thats all.
The flashlight thing: I suppose a rail mounted light would be OK. Never shot a gun with one. Might try one out at the range though. It certainly makes alot of sense.
The city really did f^&# you with those candy-assed plastic lights though. I have a mag-charger. I bought two chargers, one for the house and one mounted in my take home squad. due to losing them, breaking a switch, and christmas buying, I'm on my third light, I'll continue buying them as they are a great product.
Merry Christmas and stay safe, my brothers...
2:26:26
Are you kidding me? Smith makes excellent semi auto's. I own a 39XX pistol that I carry off duty. It is far superior to anything Block,Sig or S/A makes. It's got a better action,it's far slimmer than anything that Block,Sig or S/A make which is important when your going to carry a pistol with an IWB holster and it's lighter. My duty weapon is also a Smith. I've shot THOUSANDS of rounds through both and neither one had a single malfunction. In addition, have you looked at the new M&P line of pistols Smith just came out with? They look very promising and if you talk to the range guys you will find that they are very impressed with the M&P's.
Don't get caught up in the hype by either Shores or the other pistol manufacturers. Shores doesn't sell Smith so of course they will bum rap them. And while Sig,Block and S/A will present a very well thought out presentation of why you should buy thier product and not a Smith, in reality there is nothing wrong with a Smith. I own Sigs, Berettas and Smith and Wesson pistols and I am just as happy with my Smith as the other two.
Have you guys not realized that as much as a pain a flashlight may be that the offender would shoot AT the light in a low light situation? I'd hate to be standing behind the light when they start shooting. It sucks but the absolute safest way is to have a seperate light source. ut again they taught us that in the academy back when they used to actually teach us things instead of just spoon feeding us like children. Merry Christmas
who said:
"If not trained properly in thier use there are going to be many NG's."
Does the term "on target, on trigger...off target, off trigger" mean anything.
my vote is for the Glock
9:58:21
Yes it does. Does the phrase "CPD and affirmative action" mean anything to you? Need I say anymore?
Currently, there are no known duty holsters to accomodate the MOUNTED tactical light.
Safariland makes a couple of duty holsters which will carry your weapon with the M3 light mounted, and they have the same safety mechanisms in place as the holsters we currently use. In addition, I believe Aker, Fobus and a couple of other holster manufacturers make pancake and paddle holsters which enable you carry certain guns with a light mounted. Check out a Galls catalog for starters...
" Crimefile said...
Off topic...
Does anyone know the status of that strange shooting case involving that former Chicago cop turned railroad cop, Howard Morgan?
12/24/2006 06:02:45 PM "
Yes. It was a good shooting then, and it's a good shooting now. Prick didn't die, but coppers alright. All-in-all, a win.
oh bullshit.
Quit beating up on Ray and Shores.
When they are gone, where are you going to buy your guns.... Kale's?
Problem is with most coppers is the entitlement attitude that we have. What's MY price? Then we want to the dealer to keep kissing our asses until we hit the grave?
Question: How many cop and especially PPO checks get bounced at the gunshops? Enough to keep IAD real busy.
If there is so much money in the gun business, why aren't wall-mart and sears into police supplies?
The markups that Craig and Mitch make on a gun is disgustingly cheap. Can you run a store and meet a payroll if you are making 15-20 dollars on a 600 dollar gun? If they don't sell you a bottle of Hoppe's #9 they almost lose money. Factor in that they got to pay salaries, pay the light bill, taxes, etc. I just don't know how they do it.
On a bad day a glock costs about 45 bucks to make (as I was told at the Glock Armorer's school). A distributor pays $395, a dealer about $430. You pay around $475. Big profit? NOT. The money goes into advertising and LAWYERS. Thats right kids, thanks to our f-in Mayor and his useless product liability lawsuits, you are paying 200-250 per unit to fund the gun companies defense.
Thank you Craig and Mitch for putting up with our bullshit.
For the rest of you: Pick the lesser of the two evils, if you hate Mitch go to Ray's. If you hate Craig and Dan go to Shores.
Find a gunshop whether it be Shore or O'Herron's make a friend there, and buy what you need to stay safe.
The Glock has a very unnatural hand grip.
Stick with Sig/K-trigger.
Excellent guns.
To the faceless and nameless poster of: 12/25/2006 07:05:25 AM
I NEVER took sides on the very strange Howard Morgan story. Nothing has made any sense to me about that shooting. Nobody can give me a criminal or other motive for either side to beun firing.
Feel free to go to my blog and do a search on Howard Morgan to see what I really wrote!
My guess is that some horrible mistake or misunderstanding led to that shooting.
The questions are obvious!
Back to my question, what's the current status of that case?
CCSPD-new chief?? their new motto "ABC" Anybody but Chicago.
Great, all you hanjob-Tackleberry's can waste some more money at the gun store. Since you still live in your mom's basement and get Xmas money from her, this should not be too much of a financial burden!
Yeah it is nice to have 13 rounds of .45 hollowpoints, but the grip is so damned big! I have a relatively large hand and it is still like shooting with a 2X4 in my hand!
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Try the Springfield XD-45. 13+1. slim grip. Shot it, it's great!
Anonymous said...
oh bullshit.
Quit beating up on Ray and Shores.
When they are gone, where are you going to buy your guns.... Kale's?
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You don't work at Shores do you????
How about GAT? Midwest? Megaspots?
Lot's of options. Why pay CC tax anyway? Give money to Toddler? Not, when I don't have to.
"Handjob Tackleberrys"!!! LMFAO!
Thanks for the laugh, anon.
Next topic:
Which Star Trek captain is bestest-Kirk or Picard?
guns shmuns, who cares what stinkin handgun they let you carry, it is always where you put the bullet that counts, not which hunk of iron it comes out of. learn to shoot whatever you carry and worry about something else like our pension and medical benefits when we retire.
Screw handguns, give everyone a .12 ga. pump shotgun with 00 buckshot and be done with it.
If they are so afraid of us having guns they should issue paint ball guns with flourescent green paint. After some political suckhole's cousin gets a distributorship that is.
Yup, a new Chief for CCSPD.
Bill McHenry is a real county police officer. Rose through the ranks, merit status lieutenant (not like your merit promotions, a real civil service rating) then he went exempt. Hero too, looked into the mouth of the savage lion and shot him DRT.
I worked for him when he was a Sergeant in Gangs. A solid stand-up guy!
Yup, were anybody with merit rating and soon to be Chicago free. Word is that the other chicagoan double dippers are toast soon. Sad, as some of them are good guys.
The city will never let us get better weapons. The would rather we get killed than give the department a black eye. The bad guys will always have better guns than we do...fact of life
Order is ALLEDGELY cut, but sitting on a SGTs desk at 35th St who has, get this: "Better things to do till 06 Jan 07". But what the fuck do I know???
"Anonymous said...
Yup, a new Chief for CCSPD.
Bill McHenry is a real county police officer. Rose through the ranks, merit status lieutenant (not like your merit promotions, a real civil service rating) then he went exempt. Hero too, looked into the mouth of the savage lion and shot him DRT.
I worked for him when he was a Sergeant in Gangs. A solid stand-up guy!
Yup, were anybody with merit rating and soon to be Chicago free. Word is that the other chicagoan double dippers are toast soon. Sad, as some of them are good guys.
12/25/2006 09:43:47 PM"
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Who are you kidding, your ENTIRE department is "Merit" and I mean merit in the Chicago sense. Civil Service to you all means "passing" the test and then getting "appointed" by the Sheriff.
From P.O. up in CCSPD it's pass the test and make your call! There is no numeric ranking on the tests only being certified by the merit board! Who are you kidding?
I have more of a chance of making it up the ranks on Chicago P.D. than I EVER did working for the county. You all wrote the book on "Meritorious" promotions.
i miss my glock...cant wait to get it back
Piss off Huebl/Crimefile. Weren't you on here last year saying the coppers story is fishy and Morgan was a victim? A car from a separate unit stops to help another car and 3 of them end up shot. Then you cook up a conspiracy. O.J. should have hired your ass. Go back to sucking up to D list celebrities.
The story the way I understood it: a TRU car sees a car with no lights driving at a high rate of speed in an area where they just heard loud reports, they stop the car thinking its possibly involved. A 010th district car also in the area backs them up, as they approach the guy hops out and starts shooting, they return fire striking him 24 times, and he lives, 2 officers are shot, and recover. We would all like to know why a guy hops out and starts shooting at uniformed officers in marked cars for no appearent reason. Then they find out he was a RR Cop, and a former Chicago Copper. The kick in the ass is the way the media and community immediately blame the coppers, who were shot and returned fire. Who knows what was going through that guy's mind or any other fool who decides to shoot it out with police. That is the story to the best of my recollection.
Any recommendations for my rail-mounted tactical light/laser for my Glock?
I've got it narrowed down to:
-the Glock GTL-22
-SureFire
-Streamlight
I already have a Crimson Trace laser grip on my "baby Glock". Outstanding product with 1-2 inch accuracy at 50 feet.
Just the offender's realization of that red dot dancing on an his chest is one hell of a deterrent.
There are two questions on the Cook County promotions list:
Name:
Who's Your Chinaman:
MORGAN WAS YOUR TYPICA JOE. DELT WITH HIM WHILE HE WAS IN THE COUNTY, HE ACTED LIKE ANYTHING BUT A DIGNIFIED PUBLIC SERVANT.
Fuck Mitch at Shores....goto Ray's where U are treated right!!!!
I HOPE CRAIG AND DAN READ OUR BLOG. YOU TWO ARE THE BIGGEST JAGOFFS I'VE EVER MET. YOU HAVE LOST A LOT OF BUSINESS TO MEGA SPORTS DUE TO CRAIG BEING SUCH A PSYCHO,NUT JOB. HEY EVERYONE ...GO TO MEGA SPORTS IN PLAINFIELD I -55 SOUTH GET OFF ON RT.30 GO NORTH 1 MILE.YOU WILL NEVER EVER GO TO O'HERONS AGAIN.
For my money, my Smiths have never failed me. Been in one shooting with my Model 60 snub, and two with my .45. Both great guns,
saved my life each time, and I doubt I would buy anything else.
But that's just me. Maybe someone else makes a better gun, but at this stage of my career (20+ years), I won't mess with success.
Bottom line it all comes down to training and what you are comfortable with. Courtesy of department policy, I have carried a Model 92 Berreta by my previous employer and the P228 Sig by the current. Between the two the Sig is above and beyond my favorite of the two. However, for my off duty carry, it is a Glock 22 and I shoot far better with it than my duty weapon (probably a mental thing).
A few other thing I want to touch on are some of the facts previously posted... Rail lights for the pistol are a GOOD THING! Just not a replacement for a reliable flashlight. The Streamlight M3 ($180)and M6 ($300)offer decent results for those looking for a rail light. And the light provides about 80 lumens of output, and the M6 has the laser. Good duty holsters are available for weapon AND light. On the issue of discounts for LEO. Glock has a good program (or at least had). I purchased mine for $407 down from $609 with a LE discount. Not bad considering the area where I made the purchase. Also, the tools we use to do our job cost money! I am not sure how CPD reimburses you, but with your life on the line, if you can buy something better than "issue" for yourself do it. Besides, it is tax deductible.
There was other stuff I wanted to address, but I carried on enough. BE SAFE!
TO: The shameless, faceless and nameless goof 12/26/2006 02:00:25 AM
You obviously NEVER read my story! I never suggested a conspiracy although many others have suggested there was one. I NEVER took sides! I never suggested racism or profiling and don’t believe that now.
Again, I have only tried to make sense of the madness and chaos of this insane story. I’m just not smart enough to do that and I’m not clairvoyant.
I can’t dream up a motive for either the Chicago coppers or the former Chicago cop turned railroad cop Howard Morgan to intentionally shoot another cop or cops.
I stand by my thoughts of the only thing that makes sense, someone must have perceived a threat, real or not it caused someone to open fire.
If you want to accuse me of taking sides or claiming I suggested a conspiracy stand up like a man and publish your name and unit of assignment! I know you don’t have the balls to do that so go back under your rock asshole.
Dear SCC, I waited to post this cause it was so long.
To everyone out there, our pistols we have are not that bad. The pistols we are all talking about are not really that much more advanced. They won't make you shoot better. You really have to practice. And I don't mean a couple of times a year. Get out there and do it.
As for the lights, kind of like teflon pans. Our mothers really never considered stuff sticking to the frying pan till somebody said "We have NONSTICK pans." Do we really need them? All personal opinion/desire. What we need is less litigation and less restraintful uniform requirements.
The lasers: Another cool invention for us to marvel at, but just because you can put the laser on the target doesn't mean the bullet will go there. You have to be able to control that too. How do we do that? If you can't answer me, you shouldn't have the laser. Just like you can align your sights correctly, place them against a target, but will you really make the bullet go there? That is the question.
Tackleberry....that was a good one!
Seriously, we're all at the mercy of the advertising we read.
If you don't know about some famous people like Doug Koenig, Bruce Piatt, Vera Koo, Gunny Zinn, Lt. Phil Hemphill, Jerry Barnhardt and so on... these are names you should do a google search about. Learn what thier capabilities are. These people are really incredible. They can do what they do with just about any stock pistol, although thier competition is so tough they must hand load their own ammo to precise specs that they have designed for their own pistols, sometimes a different load for each pistol.
This is all so much information, but I'm just trying to say some of what we have is just fine.
Double-single??? Traditionally called conventional firing systems....well, ask some of the younger department members about some of the goofs they have had in thier classes coming out of the academy. We sure know how to pick them. Or is it the hiring requirements are too strict? Anyhow, next time you're going up a set of dark stairs with your pistol(or revolver)(yeah right?)in your hand, and stumble, think about the copper you really wish was in front of you, who is really behind you with a DA/SA in thier hands. Think about them stumbling. You know the one sho had to take that state physical exam alone one morning with just the instructor in order to pass. Funny how, proctors are assigned for the written exams at the academy but not the Physical fitness exam. HMMMM?
Glock recalled 450,000 pistols shortly after the year 2000. Still not too bad, but not exactly good for everyone.
As for the other posts concerning our local gun shops...by all means search out other dealers. You can save some money. Even online sales. They just have to ship to a local FFL. this keeps the local boys' prices somewhat honest.
Last thing, the third hand idea, if your that close to someone, now is the time to hope for a partner that will CYA. You have got to lay hands on the guy/girl/thing now and put your thing away...and your pistol.
Be safe, back each other up, we can't call 911. Protect your 1st (SCC) 2nd and your 4th amendment rights. Remember we swore to defend them. Daley choses which ones he'd like us to have.
I am not sure how CPD reimburses you, but with your life on the line, if you can buy something better than "issue" for yourself do it.
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CPD does not reimburse us for our weapons, per se. We're given a "clothing allowance" several times a year. For secondary weapons, that allowance could be used but, when initially coming on the job, CPD does not issue weapons and expects you to pay for your original weapon out of pocket. As you say, since the weapon is used to protect your life, it's not really looked at as a big drawback, as you will eventually get the money back.
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Reccomendations for weapon mounted light for your Glock. Depends on what you are going to do with it - will it be mounted to your weapon at all times? Glock has it's own light, and by all reports it is pretty good - just sort of ugly and blocky looking, both Streamlight and Surefire make great lights - if you aren't too worried about being able to remove it super quick - look at the TLR series from streamlight, they are more of a hard attachment (using a couple of screws and a coin. Or if you really want to go top of the line take a look at the Surefire X200 series - lots of $$, but an excellent light (probably the best out there).
ccspd chief looked into the mouth of the savage lion and shot him DRT. What the hell is DRT and where are the savage lions in the county.
even though some of our pistols are equipped with light rails, there are reports of the added weight of the light stressing the frame of the gun. just a little side not for you guys.
DRT = Dead right there.
Savages? C'mon? you gotta look for them?? Their falling out of the trees!!
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