Doomed By Gun Control
From TheOtherSideofKim we find this Roanoke Times article from 2006 (see the sidebar links for Kim's full site):
A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.
House Bill 1572 didn’t get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.
The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill’s defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”
Virginia Tech is a "Gun-Free Zone." In 2005, VT took action against a student who had a state issued Concealed Carry permit when he brought his legally owned and registered gun onto campus. Today, the police are finding doors chained from the inside - a chilling discovery that may hint that the gunman prepped the building to be a slaughterhouse. And it sure is a good thing that the "lock-down" kept everyone safe.
We wonder where that student with the Concealed Carry Permit is today.
Lack of gun control didn't kill these students - gun control left them completely at the mercy of a madman. Just about every single link in our sidebar has coverage of the bloodbath.
We wonder where that student with the Concealed Carry Permit is today.
Lack of gun control didn't kill these students - gun control left them completely at the mercy of a madman. Just about every single link in our sidebar has coverage of the bloodbath.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 4:37 PM
73 Comments:
ya, that's a great idea! Give students guns to carry to class. Perhaps you could set up a gun store/firing range right next to the campus book store. You're an idiot!
I see u thought enough of this incident that u created an emergency post; very appropiate!
1 guy w/2 pistols did all that damage; what would a trained group w/rifles do?
Well u called it SCC; who knows what the background of this maniac is, and how much will THEY cover up?
The anti gun nuts and the gun grabbers will be in full lather after this latest massacre by one solitary person. Once again, with the Democrats leading the charge, gun control will be the issue of the week.
Now is the time to flood the in boxes and mail boxes of your Senators and Reps with letters against more unreasonable laws due to the actions of one solitary person.
Heard a nasty rumor that can't be true. Did IAD really arrest a 62 year old 010 District officer for "stealing" a bag of chips from a Walgreens while on duty, in uniform, even after the Walgreens manager insisted on not pressing charges? Couldn't be. I mean, that would be nothing short of insanity, right?
One person can cause kaos, and it was the person who killed the innocent ones. NOT THE GUNS. This is one good example for concealed carry both for the police and citizens. Our prayers are with you V.T.
this won't be the last time this happens.
Note to the WV Campus Police:
Now would be a good time for a seatbelt mission in front of Norris Hall. Don't forget the old 011 tactic of parking a squad at the crime scene for the next week; just in case the shooter comes back from the dead.
Could you imagine the sight. America's future at any of our city colleges, strapped, going to their GED courses....
Would the body count have been lower if students at VA Tech were able to carry a weapon. Not sure. How many private citizens practice body armor drills? Unless they waffled the reports, ole boy was wearing a vest.
Students were up in arms that classes were not canceled after the dorm room "double", but this is with the benefit of hindsight. The problem with institutions of higher learning IS the "open campus." This incident tragically shows that law enforcement have no real effective ways to prevent an occurance, we can only attempt to minimize the damage by taking the shooter out as quickly as possible.
Trust me, the framers of the constitution, had they an inkling of how fucked up this country would become, would've torn that sucker in half all the while singing "God save the Queen....."
The guns aren't out of control, the dickheads wielding them are. Besides, guns don't kill people...I do!
HOW ABOUT A LITTLE GUN CONTROL IN 009. I THINK THEY HAVE HAD A SHOOTING OR A HOMICIDE EVERY NIGHT FOR THE LAST WEEK. (SOME NIGHTS TWO SHOOTINGS A NIGHT) ALL WHILE THE COMMANDER IS OUT PLAYING HOUSE WITH HIS FEMALE DOLLIE(S). HEY PHAT PHIL WE KNOW YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A REASON TO BOUNCE HIM (AT THE ADVICE OF THE 11TH WARD) HERE IS YOUR CHANCE.
I'm sure Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hinkler would not change his position regarding concelaed carry now. He's most likely a Liberal Moron who will want more gun control, not the right to protect onself as they walk about in society. Wonder how safe the students feel now on campus.....
My heart goes out to the victims,and prayers to the families of the slain.If this is true about a pro-gun bill being defeated,then the blood of the victims is not only on the hands of the murderer,it also stains the hands of the liberal morons who defeated the bill.I am utterly disgusted that this may have been prevented or loss of life lessened but wasn't because of liberals.How safe do you FEEL now jackasses?
From a person who attended a University I would have to say guns in students hands in this type of environment is a bad bad bad idea. On the other hand teachers and staff should be able to carry a concealed weapon.
What's the problem? Gun control worked perfectly. Not a single gun on any of the students, right?
Did they think that their WISH for no guns would magically extend to every nut, madman, coward and criminal that got near the area? That is obviously what they hoped for and not surprisingly, their "wish" did not come true.
Such a tragedy. Those poor kids.
5:17:00
The only idiot on this board is you. Find another site like the daily kos TROLL.
Gotta think this will be the end of any such gun control in VA. Even relatively liberal Northern Virginia is the home of NRA headquarters, and it only gets more pro-gun as you head south and west from here. After this, gun control is dead in this state.
And to 5:17, why are you so afraid of America's youth? Virginia's armed children were Pickett's division and the 116th Infantry Regiment. You think America would even have a history if Virginians were never armed? You'd be speaking French, German, Russian or Spanish.
If you want YOUR kids growing up defenseless, so be it. But God forgive every one of you who advocated this for these kids or others similarly situated. This is blood on your hands, and a great history rewritten.
"Now would be a good time for a seatbelt mission in front of Norris Hall. Don't forget the old 011 tactic of parking a squad at the crime scene for the next week; just in case the shooter comes back from the dead."
LMAO!!!
Ok, my fellow coppers--
How many of you carry off duty?
How many of you carry when you're at your kids school functions?
How many of you carry to church?
Could one armed citizen have stopped the madman at VT? I'm not sure, but if you start shooting back, you at least have the power to defend yourself, the possibility of saving others, and the probablitiy of mitigating the damage by forcing the gunmen to go on the defensive and hole up somewhere.
God Bless those VT families tonight, please allow those in power to understand that there IS a war being fought in the streets everyday.
IF YOU REALLY HATE THIS JOB THAT MUCH QUIT AND GO APPLY AT WALGREENS THAT WAY YOU CAN LET POLICE OFFICERS STEAL AND LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT
How trivial T.Ab,Jeff tap, & Imus
now seem. I only wish it would've been a news-station.............
What a tragedy! 1 asshole on a visa with guns! Was he a muslim? like the jagoff from that shopping mall? What is the killers background? How about we stop letting assholes from other countries use our schools! How about we stop all illegals and when we catch them put them in camps! I am tired of this shit! From the liberals to the democrats shit is running wild!! GOD BLESS THOSE STUDENTS FAMILIES!!
Off topic:
Was the depts. chopper repossessed or is it being rented out for sight seeing tours?
Anyone with info?
if they fought back they would be good ole boys attacking an asian, hate crimes for everyone. the feminization of america must stop
Man...all those deaths, and SCC wants to fight the anti gun folks and put the blame at their feet.
Does anyone out here think this slaughter of all those people could hve been avoided if the students had "concealed" guns on their persons on the college grounds?
This was a WHACKJOB who obviously planned this attack out! Maybe some armed student might have nailed the guy, maybe not, but I guarantee you, a whole bunch of folks would have still died, nonetheless.
The truth is, there is very little ANYONE could do against a crazed individual who is intent on taking his own life, and killing a bunch of other folks along the way to his/her own self destruction.
He was prepared. He was well armed. He planned. And he was determined. And usually, just as we've been finding out in Iraq since the famous "mission accomplished" party hosted by W on board that ship, folks like that are quite successful in their endeavors. Shame on you, SCC, for
blaming this on a "lack of armed students" on the campus. You guys have posted some dumb shit before, but this is about the lowest, even by YOUR standards. If anything, your argument has been made even weaker.
I hate to judge in advance of all the facts, but it appears the shooter ignored the VA Tech gun free edict. If you can, carry all the time, carry everywhere. Become comfortable with it. The unarmed are the future victims.
SCC, I love you, but you are an idiot.
SCC is spot on! No doubt this lunatic had a plan and would have killed a dozen or so regardless. But an armed student or teacher could have either taken him out or at least let off a few rounds possibly forcing him to retreat until the police arrived.
9:51:00
"Man...all those deaths, and SCC wants to fight the anti gun folks and put the blame at their feet.
Does anyone out here think this slaughter of all those people could hve been avoided"
You are right sir, turning the lights out in the class room and hiding under the desk is better then blowing this asshole’s head off when he came in the room and started shooting people.
I certainly hope you are not a Police Officer protecting my family, because you’re a fucking idiot.
Sorry SCC but your wrong on this one. College kids carrying guns is a very bad idea. The fact that guns are everywhere in this country is exactly THE problem. I really doubt everyone carrying guns around in a "civilized" society is what the founding fathers had in mind. Strict gun ownership laws, with guns required to be locked in a gun safe and ultra harsh penalty for any violations is probably a better idea. The production and mass distribution of all these guns for "self defense" is how we got to this point in the first place. Law enforcement carrying off duty is the only reasonable exception to this rule.This world is so full of small dicked mother fuckers who think they need to be packing all the time.
I checked the Brady site, they haven't wasted anytime over this fiasco. Also, I doubt that Larry Hincker will change his anti-gun stance.
So Virginia Tech is a gun free zone, except the killer didn't get the memo. It is unknown if this tragedy could have been prevented, because who can answer why someone would do such a horrific thing. Until the facts come out, I'll hold back an opinion, but I'm sure the gun grabbers will be out in force for some time to come.
Unfortunately, the killer broke existing gun laws, as it's already against the law to bring a gun to the college, and it's definately against the law to kill the students.
Oh My God, Whatever! Did we all forget that it all comes down to the shooter, not the gun in which he held!!!!
What a tragedy, but its inevitable! You have savages that are out in our public day in and day out that are capable of this horrific act.
Fuck more gun laws, make the laws more strict when guns are used in crimes. Cook county perfect example how career criminals, especially armed ones, go free or let go with a simple slap on the hand.
While we're at it, hire another couple thousand police such as needed here in Chicago.
IT'S INEVITABLE, KEEP DISARMING POLICE OFFICERS ATTENDING COURT AND THEIR WILL BE AN INCIDENT THAT CANT BE REVERSED. THE UNFORTUNATE WRITING IS ON THE WALL. WHAT WILL IT TAKE BEFORE THE LODGE 7 OR THE DEPARTMENT WAKES UP AND SAFES AN OFFICERS LIFE BEFORE IT IS TAKEN.
Hubberman will be the next Super. Daley will have him well in place for the Olympics. If not Hubermann, the next super will be a civilian. It will be Vance Henry from CAPS. You heard it here first.
83% of all violent crime in Chicago is from the blacks or hispanic population. hmmm
I have proof that gun control works. The City of Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. You never hear of anyone being shot there do you?
10:56 you are an eeeediot. The only thing what you are suggesting will do is, keep the guns out of the hands of legitimate people. The bad guys will always have access to guns , even if not manufactored here. It's exactly those small dicked m*f*ers you're talking about that worry me and why I always carry.
Guys like you make me sick , blaming the manufactrer for some nut case on a shooting spree. No matter how many bans/laws you create the desperate will always get access.
Why don't we wait for the facts before we start blaming everyone but the real culprit. THE SHOOTER.
I do not think that there should be concealed carry for everyone, although sometimes I am not sure. No one carries in England, neither civilians nor police (except specialized units....terrorism, dignitary protection, high risk targets). The street cops don't carry. They enforce the shit out of their gun laws, do a crime with a gun, you go away for a long time. And they have a miniscule murder rate. Yes, there have been incidents where unarmed police were shot. And that is terrible. But there has to be a connection between the control of the guns in relation to the murder numbers, and the number of crimes where guns are used. It's about keeping guns out of the hands of criminal types. I am anti government involvement in our lives, they stick their noses in our business plenty. But if there was a way for a clearing house for everyone to go through prior to gun purchase, maybe that would help. I know I know they issues licenses to dealers, but after that who monitors it? It is a self policing industry which is profit driven. Those two things are mutually exclusive. The manufacturers have to be held accountable. It is like dope, you have to do 2 things....get rid of the customer base, and cut off supply. That said, I don't go out to my garage without one, let alone drive around unarmed. I'd be awfully pissed if I got stuck up or jacked and was unarmed. Not to mention embarrassed.
Stay Safe
how many cops have their guns locked up while they're at the front desk dropping an inventory or get an arrest report approved??? ALL officers at the desk are NOT wearing a vest. a good number of desk officers are too busy on the phone, taking reports, playing on the computer, etc etc. also alot of desk officers either have no street experience or have not worked the street in ages. this has happened a number of times recently (001, 003). a thug with a gun walks into the station. now what? oh wait---this is cpd they'll figure out something after a few cops at the desk get shot.
If we ban bullets those guns become clubs. Do it now!
Wait, they have concealed carry in the south side schools, right? And that works real well.
4/16/2007 07:31:00 PM
Maybe 009 district coppers should be the police instead of bitches.
Anonymous said...
how many cops have their guns locked up while they're at the front desk dropping an inventory or get an arrest report approved??? ALL officers at the desk are NOT wearing a vest. a good number of desk officers are too busy on the phone, taking reports, playing on the computer, etc etc. also alot of desk officers either have no street experience or have not worked the street in ages. this has happened a number of times recently (001, 003). a thug with a gun walks into the station. now what? oh wait---this is cpd they'll figure out something after a few cops at the desk get shot.
4/17/2007 02:43:00 AM
Same thing at the airports many have no vests on! guns falling out of holsters,to fat to even duck and this was where the terroists started the airports! We all have to do our best to protect ourselves eveyday, WEAR YOUR VESTS!!
Anonymous said...
83% of all violent crime in Chicago is from the blacks or hispanic population. hmmm
4/17/2007 12:16:00 AM
That is true and the mexicans are illegals and run back to mexico when they commit a crime, lets deport all of them to banana land!
Hey Afternoons, whose stupid idea was it to have the 905 park car going to gang disturbances on 4 wheelers in the 30 sector? Heard the whole ghetto block went nuts? 10-1? Somebody is going to get killed doing stupid shit like that! Four wheelers don't provide you cover. If you're going to respond to shit like that, then drive your squad. WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!! No doubt it was Hoffentramp's EGO trip...Clean up your own mess for fuck's sake.
-009 Days
11:44
Hoffentramp caught some shithead off-duty smoking a blunt in Sherman Park and I guess the community residents in the 30 sector went off! What the fuck was he doing in Sherman off-duty anyway? Yeah, he could've gotten someone killed responding on 4 wheelers. What an asshat!!!
-009 days
Yes you scared coppers! Wear that vest, buy an army hat, and put up sand bags around your house! Add armor plate to your car. Watch the movie "The Road Warrior" for more ideas.....
A FRIEND ND ON MINE IS A RETIRED SUBURBAN POLICE OFFICER WOULD NOW TEACHES IN A GROWING AFFUENT PUBLIC SCHOOL IN KENDALL COUNTY. HE ALWAYS CARRIES IS GUN, AND THE BEST PART OF IT THAT THE PRINCIPLE WHO IS EX-ARMY TOLD HE COULD CARRY IT. THE PRINCIPLE TOLD HIM HOPE NOTHING EVER HAPPENS HERE BUT I KNOW IF SHIT DOES HAPPEN YOU GOT OUR BACKS. ROBBY GOOD BLESS YOU AND YOU ARE THE REAL POLICE .
BILLY KUSHNER (BERWYN POLICE CHIEF) FOR SUP. HE WOULD MAKE SURE ALL CPD CARRIED M-5 IN THE SQUAD CARS AND THAT WE WOULD BE TRAINED TO USE THEM.
Someone needs to really look at this year's homicide facts for Chicago. About 40% of the murders in 2007 have been the result of edged weapons and/or blunt instruments. The largest single murder this year, in 023, 4 dead, was done with a book of matches. A dark heart willing to kill will always find a way. Gun control is an excuse for the politically correct way of telling society that being evil is not the fault of the individual.
1:59:00
Throw English crime rates in your internet search enging and read about the rate of violence in Great Britain. I think it will suprise you. Here is on link http://www.vdare.com/roberts/gun_control_part2.htm
Sure the mass murders would stop. But individual murders would rise. Tell me a caffeined-up student studying for finals doesnt flip out and shot himself or someone if a gun is readily available. Or a teacher flunks him. How many dead teachers will there be? Its like saying, the GD's have more guns than the Latin Kings, so give the Kings more to defend themselves.
11:44
Get your facts straight asswipe! Dispatchers told them to go there. Hoffenkamp was off, however, he was at the JISC doing an arrest from Wilson Park, because a do-nothing female on Days said she wouldn't handle it. No doubt she is a clueless dogass waiting to become a white shirt.
Read John Lott's books.
All facts, no opinions, and therefore ignored by the media and Libs. A well aremd public is a safer public...period.
11:04
Clueless dogass waiting to become a white shirt? Name a time and place punk! You really wanna go there? I eat guys like you for breakfast and shit you out in my stool. She's a great po jagoff! Here are the facts for you. You want an asskicking, then keep talking shit!!!!!!!!!!
-009 Days
Dogasses on days in 009. Surely you jest? We are ALL workers and REAL PO-PO here.
I agree. "Hoffentramp" was off that day. "Hyatt Regency" and "Kojak" were the clowns that went to the call. Two kids off probation who don't know shit on the job, but given the "perk car" WTF? APV riding HACKS!!!
Where was Sean Flynn when you needed him???
The park car in 009 makes everyone's arrest activity look bad. Nobody can deny how many arrests they bring in. These guys are the best. Quit worrying about the park car. They are the ones working their asses off on Afternoons.
The 905 park car has literally become the incident car of the district. The guys do everything asked of them and bring in solid arrests almost every night. I know, because at one time I was partners with them. You ask why they responded to a gang disturbance on their 4 wheelers? That's the job they were given and without questioning the dispatcher's logic they went. Those guys were ballsy as hell riding into that shit storm. Thank God they had backup and nobody was hurt. If you weren't there on scene then shut the fuck up. I cannot speak for Days or Mids park car, but I can say that the 3rd watch park car puts everyone to shame. There are a lot of lazy coppers on Afternoons. The guys on the park car make up for these dogasses ten fold. Before you gripe about their style of work, look at the way the park car used to be? Try to remember? Arrests were almost non-existent. The park car was used to find homes for kittens and puppies. The park car has been re-invented! Never before in 009's history has the park car been so productive. Don't believe me? Ask the Park District supervisors.
These guys keep the parks safe and that is fantastic! Cmdr Roy should be extremely proud of the Afternoon park car.
9:22 post
Hmmm...I seem to have struck a nerve? I guess calling you Charmin was a painful cruelty? Soooo...you apparently want to digest me and then defecate me from your body? Ha! It makes me proud to know that on 2nd watch you will defend your fellow officer's honor. Despite the fact that she did absolutely NOTHING to help a fellow po in 009 who was holding an offender, you're willing to go to fisticuffs over my comment? I, too, am defending my fellow officers on Afternoons. I am curious to know though how you would have felt if she had done that to you? As you ponder that question consider changing your "battle focused" tactic?
You stated to name a "time and place".
I work Beat 933 on Afternoons. Time is irrelevant. Trust me, I am not hard to find. I believe that confrontation is a good thing AND you don't intimidate me in the slightest tough guy.
11:04 poster
What's your beef with the female po on days? Like YOU would want to handle an OFF DUTY arrest for a copper? Yeah, he made the arrest OFF DUTY!!! Get real pussy.
Giving the 905 park car guys shit? God help us ALL! How about bashing the early side 20 sector cars that are complete dogasses? Let me tell you....at least the park car works out there!!!
3-11 officer
8:44
Amen Brother. The 905 guys are excellent at what they do and deserve the park car. They are well-deserved.
the coppers in 009 that work days are the most useless s.o.b's that i have ever worked with. i worked in 009 on days and left recently to a much better unit. talk about a bunch of do nothings that shop, sleep, and are no where to be found when needed. days used to be a great watch to work on until all of these two year wonders who's daddy made the phone call to get them there and they have no clue how to do a report let alone a traffic crash.the senior officers are just plain useless and waiting for retirement. the sgt's are the worst around and have no clue how to run a watch.reading the previous posts did not surprise me in the least and sad to say but very expected from the watch.to the third watch crew all i have to say is good luck handeling all the jobs from days that should have been by the day crew but as you know...shopping, getting nails done, reading the paper, sleeping come first..sianara putos
The dispatcher's logic? Since when they know how to be the police? They read out calls and the police handle them. I am not bashing dispatchers, but they have their job and we have ours. They are not the police. They should have not responded to that gang disturbance..who cares what the dispatcher or her logic says..it's your life out there. So if some idiot dispatcher wants you to check a domestic when you're 99, will you go and not question her logic? Or will you wait for back-up?
Why anyone would defend the 905 park car is totally beyond me? They bring in drinkers and marijuana nickel bags and that's about it! Hey 933, if you want to stick your nose where it don't belong, then I'll re-arrange it for you! Asshat!
I'll make you wish you were in Afganistan again you pussy! Like I said earlier...name a time and place pussy. You don't want none of this!
No, don't I intimidate either!!!
11:04am
Hey 933! Are you feeling sorry for yourself, because nobody in 009 wants to work with you to include your partners? Maybe if you acted normal and didn't get into shit other coppers would like you? People stay away from you. Don't you get it?
You are a lunatic and completely off your rocker! You had better watch yourself, before you find yourself in a situation where nobody will come to back you!
What's the matter? You finding it hard to keep partners in 009? Dude, you are a psycho and you need help.
Why don't you transfer out?
The officer on 933 is a WHACKO who should be in rubber room at Hartgrove!
Dude on 933 will do whatever the dispatcher tells him...like a robot. He is too stupid to think for himself. He does go to domestics without backup and is dangerous because of it. SOMETHING IS REALLY WRONG WITH THIS GUY!!!!!
12:45
It's your funeral man. Intelligent people don't talk shit to 933 officer aka Purple Shades. I've known him a long time and he never takes threats lightly. You haven't seen rage until you see him pissed off! I don't believe you work on days either?
My guess is that you are annonymously posting because you don't have the nuts to confront him in person. I also believe you are a drunk from the Redwood? Like I said, intelligent people avoid pissing him off! Prove us all wrong...post your name coward.
-009 Mids
No more 009th District BS. Go start your own blog for your domestics.
SCC,
I think any and all topics concerning the 9th District should be banned.
We have been scorned by this blogsite far enough. Frankly, I find the topics about 009 to being repugnant. You are finally doing what is right by eliminating the 009 issues. It's about time.
From here on out, I expect to no longer read any BS blogs about 009. Who gives a shit about b team crap anyway? Afterall, you said so yourself that you believe 009 should air their dirty laundry on a blogsite totally dedicated to them right?
With all of their primadonnas and clout babies, I'm sure they could pull it off.
-008 copper
in my opinion the 008th district are a bunch of dogs and that is why the district has gone to shit...for example..st bedes, garfield ridge, clearing....start policing the areas where the coppers live and leave the shit by kedzie and western for the 007th district.you guys in 008 spend to much time looking at magazines in southwest book and video on cicero.
Heard there was a 10-1 in 009 on Afternoons in the 30 sector. Ironically, it was called by the very beat officer you like to trash on here too. Was Purple Shades and his partner alright?
-009 Mids
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