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This was a bit brazen, don't you think?
- A 37-year-old man was killed Saturday night when as many as six shooters opened fire on him as he stood on a West Side porch.
- At about 9:30 p.m., the victim was standing with a 19-year-old man on a porch at 1615 S. St. Louis Ave. when five or six people walked up to them and began shooting
But hey, we've got officers "on the dots" and flooding the DOC areas. Too bad no one noticed six people with guns converging on a target.
Guess he wasn't near a "dot."
Guess he wasn't near a "dot."
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
76 Comments:
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. There were not six shooters, but one shooter that shot into six people on the porch, striking two. One thru and thru in the knee, one head, chest and shoulder who died, was revived, then died again. Not terribly surprised the media got this wrong considering who the paper car was. The scene was tragic. No police on scene seemed to know what to do, with the exception of a few District people. TRU, on scene about 30 deep, simply stood there with there hands in their pockets. Really not an exaggeration, ask anyone who heard the debacle on the air. Without exception, the worst example of what NOT to do on a crime scene ever. Certainly not trying to be a 'TRU sucks' rag, but you gotta ask what the hell are they doing in these districts to help?
Who cares? I’m sure these sh*theads had it coming and they had no IR #’s—LOL. F*ck Em.
As for the person(s) that continue to rip on people that have hair gel--There were many officers before YOU that had POMADE AND BRYLCREAM (exactly the same as hair gel) in their hair when you were sh*tting in your diaper so GFY, C*NTS!!!
Mental midgets.
Guess he wasn't near a "dot"
Hopefully he wasn't near a future
olympic game site either!
DAMN HE MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG TO DESERVE GETTING SHOT LIKE THAT
TRU WAS IN THE DIST THAT DAY TOO BUT SINCE IT DIDNT CONCERN A FALSE TRP THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED
I'm surprised you didn't touch the other angle of the story: wgn had a relative of his on who stated "he was a family man, he had TWELVE children..." At the age of 37???? And he wasn't even a lottery pick in the nba....
It's official. The gunshot victim is now a DOT on Beat 1021.
SCC, you missed a major news event. All the dots were stolen. An investigation by the Area Two gun team determined that the dots were sold to all the owners of 7-11s and Dunkin Donuts. WHen they tried to obtain search warrants to retrieve the Dots and return them they were denied. There was great fear that the free coffee and donut train would come to a screaching halt.
It wasn't in the DOC.........
Maybe we can bribe the German army to invade the West & South sides here instead of the Bronx........
i was thinking about buying a home on that block. is it safe to do so now.
We have to stop this handgun violence! The time is here for a full handgun ban in this country. The only thing you hunt with a handgun is people. Even police officers have too many guns. An officer only needs "1" handgun for work.
Has anyone checked out E-Bay/ All kinds of dots available.
Wrong, TRU heard the loud reports, found the shooting, called the ambulance and started protecting the scene and gave a flash, what more do you want? i'ma det. in the area, I thought they did fine.
one head, chest and shoulder who died, was revived, then died again.
Does that count as two homicides then?????
Attention haters of the hair gel police! I know this is not as fashionable as the golden ages of the "Greasers", the mirrored sun glasses, and the "cop mustache". You guys are just old and jealous that your time has passed and your so fat that you haven't seen your wiener in years! You know they check us for hair gel at TRU during stand up inspection, maybe we just don't want to get gigged.
The shooting wasn't in the DOC, outside unit was first on-scene, that's the part of 010 that the 010th dist. coppers don't police, they are all on 26th....
For the haters of the new police or the "hair gel" era as it shall be deemed. I guess we should worship the ground you walk on and the examples you set back in your hey day. The days when you stoled on traffic stops and from dead peoples houses. When you drank on the job and beat up handcuffed prisoners. You would get prostitutes to suck your dicks and coerce confessions. You couldn't spell "dog" or read or write and authored the worst paperwork known to policing.
The days of the police getting the benefit of the doubt from the community, media, and judges is gone because of you. So quit bitching about the new era of policing. New officers who want to work are basically trying to learn while getting resistance from everyone and having one hand tied behind their back. We are so apprehensive to get in any major incidents because we don't know how it will be depicted by our bosses and the media. Yet, in your era you ran around like cowboys and thugs and suffered no recourse.
4/16/2007 02:11:00 AM
That was great.
Hey, after getting shot, through and through your unemployed skull, then do you qualify as nappy-headed?
DIED,REVIVED AND DIED AGAIN SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE ZOMBIES IN THE 010TH DIST
Its the districts fault because they didnt have a seat belt mission on the front porch of where it happened.
Blame the WC and his underlings because they should have been able to predict when and where an a$$whole was going to be shot.
Because you know SBE missions and all the other non sense really works
TRU is nothing but a bunch of misguided missiles who have NO CLUE what they are doing.
Last night,
Their SGT hada a dui stop , she calls for "one of her cars" who in turn has the balls to get on the AIR and call for another car to handle a DUI.
I get there and I can tell you effective 15 Apr 07 they will never call for a car to handle something they should have to begin with in our district ever again.
Bunch of 2 year wonders who have no friggin clue.
Go back to basics.
Get rid of TRU et al and put the manpower in the districts.
WELL, TIME FOR AN OUTDOOR ROLL CALL AND SUBSEQUENT SEAT BELT MISSION. LET'S WOLF PACK ALONG THE 1500 TO 1700 BLOCKS OF S. ST. LOUIS. THAT SHOULD STOP ALL THE CRIME.
CPD wins the gold in in homicides.
Those that currently wear hair gel failed to place in all Olympic shooting events.
Spokesperson for the US Olympic Gang Trainers Association stated "our tuned ravens and brycos malfunctioned and could not be fixed wif krazy-glue".
Oh Well! Another non-taxpayer is gone! Let the animals attack as long as it is each other! No stray bullets gangs should kill each other just don't miss F*&K em! Lets patrol where the tax payers live and prevent the animals from doing this in the better areas! In the jungle the laws are different!
TRU, on scene about 30 deep, simply stood there with there hands in their pockets. Really not an exaggeration, ask anyone who heard the debacle on the air. Without exception, the worst example of what NOT to do on a crime scene ever. Certainly not trying to be a 'TRU sucks' rag, but you gotta ask what the hell are they doing in these districts to help?
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What did you want them to do? CPR?
The mutt is dead, move on. They don't have an intimate knowledge of every district as they move around a lot.
Shouldn't the tact/gang teams assigned to the district be the go-to guys for that?
What are they doing to help?
I don't work in that unit but it seems having a bunch more of them around in my district would benefit me if and when I need backup.
I don't see why people have problems with them.
Unfortunately the DOC is going to be another CAPS. When they finally realize that it doesn't work they are just gonna keep it on life support forever, draining manpower and other resources.CPD mantra is never admit you were wrong, especially when it effects inside jobs and command positions!
i got there at about 22:30 and thought they had the offender in-custody because why ? " tru was standing around with there hands in their pants what a fuckin joke. and you know what they deserve all the ribbin they get
TO 11:04... 22 TO 31 HOMAN TO KOSTNER THATS WHAT WE WERE DOIN....TRU UNIT HAD AN ARREST A FEW BLOCKS AWAY CALLED IN THE LOUD REPORTS THOUGHT THEY DID BEST THEY COULD CONSIDERING THEY HAD A BAD GUY W/THEM......MYSELF MY PARTNER AND 6 OTHER TRU PERSONNEL ON SCENE(NOT 30)....GOT A BIG "THANK YOU" FROM 010 COMMANDER THE OTHER DAY THANKING US FOR THE HELP LAST FEW DAYS IN HER DISTRICT
37 ?with 12 kids....was he an irish catholic?.
Doesn't shock me. The 2 year wonders in 010 make up just about 75% of the watch. Walk around like they know it all but when shit hits the fan they have no clue. Anyone ever see the 2 year wonder who is sometimes the 06 car that walks around with no less than 6 pairs of handcuffs strapped to his bag? Hahahaha. Tool.
TRU sucks ... then you die.
.............TRU ROCKS............
Some of TRU’S best work includes stepping on crime scenes, fucking up some else’s prisoner and leaving the scene like they were never there. I specially like it when they drop the hammer on some shitbird who wasn’t wearing his seatbelt. The “real police” slogan hardly insinuates their ability as hard chargers.
As for the person(s) that continue to rip on people that have hair gel--There were many officers before YOU that had POMADE AND BRYLCREAM (exactly the same as hair gel) in their hair when you were sh*tting in your diaper so GFY, C*NTS!!!
Mental midgets.
4/15/2007 11:20:00 PM
Struck a chord did we? Got your gelled hair in a tizzy?
Died, revived, died again. Is that two counts of 1st degree murder? Oh wait, bang gangers are held to a low standard, should be a misdemeanor!
Um, there is no 1700 block of St. Louis in 010. In fact there is only one stret at the west end of 010 that has any 1700 numbers.
Hey, lay off!, without gel my spikes would wilt.
For the haters of the new police or the "hair gel" era ... the days when you stoled on traffic stops ... you couldn't spell "dog" or read or write and authored the worst paperwork known to policing...
4/16/2007 08:46:00 AM
Well I never "stoled" your dog and and wrote an abomination like your post to document it.
to 4:12pm--thanks for setting the geography of the 010th district straight.
"We have to stop this handgun violence! The time is here for a full handgun ban in this country. The only thing you hunt with a handgun is people. Even police officers have too many guns. An officer only needs "1" handgun for work. "
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Oh, and don't forget, you'll want to lock that one up for use only while pretending to be the police.
Big POS!If you are a male, we can probably guess... you don't like women except to share fashion tips with.
Anonymous said...
For the haters of the new police or the "hair gel" era as it shall be deemed. I guess we should worship the ground you walk on and the examples you set back in your hey day.
4/16/2007 08:46:00 AM
Oh really? Well I am one of those guys you are talking about. You, Mr. Hair Gel lover, are a charlatan and a fraud and I will prove it.
1.)I never took a dime on a traffic stop. Most of my friends did not either.
2.)I never drank on the job.
3.) The only handcuffed prisoners I beat fucking deserved it.
4.) Never had a prostitute do me. Never had to. My generation invented free love. We could get more in one night than you could in your dreams.
5.) Something wrong with coercing confessions?
6.)I can spell better than most of you hair gelled morons with degrees, especially those with Masters. I have seen the pathetic and atrocious reports you have written. My bosses, you know the old time bosses, would have torn your reports up and made you rewrite them until they were satisfactory.
7.)Authored the worst paperwork known to policing? Really! Is that why the Detective Division laughs at your reports, the ones with hair gel on them? I can write you under the table any day. How many people have your pathetic reports put into the penitentary. IAD will tell you that the vast majority of you pukes get nailed because you write your way right into trouble. The detectives hate you. The only reason you get away with your piss poor report writing is that most of the time, the supervisors are too busy holding your little hands to read the garbage you write.
8.) You just showed your true colors and your ass bitch. You are sooooooooo afraid of how you will be depicted by the media and the bosses? We never worried about the media and the bosses. We just brought in the heads, lumped or unlumped. You see, us old guys were not afraid of anything or anyone. My, my, how times have changed.
9.) I am not the one bitching. In my day, you know the horse and buggy day, we did not come to a public forum and air our dirty laundry. We did not insult people behind their backs. We did not tell tales about goings on and sexual hijinks that can get people in trouble in the open. No, sonny boy, we either kept our mouths shut or did it face to face, man to man. Something your are too terrified and gutlerss to do, I guess. I guess this is the era of the modern coward police. Hey, pampers are on sale somewhere!
So go and apply some more hair gel sonny, write some more bad, useless reports, and keep being in fear of the media and the big bad bosses.
We, the real police, will just keep wiping up your messes and doing what has to be done. This is what adults do for children.
Yes you should worship the ground we walk on and you should kiss our asses too. Wait until the crime wave starts and violent crime goes up. We will not be there to hold your hand and teach you how to be the real police. You will cry, run, and hide, like the lowly pathetic cowards that you are.
BTW, I probably made more solid felony arrests in one month than you have made in your pathetic, pitiful career. I will bet even money that some of the arrests I made as a recruit, thirty years ago, are still in the joint. I will match my record against yours any day. My friends will too. Hands down, we win. Go back to kindergarten and take your hair gel with you. If you bend over, the teacher will show you what else you can use it for.
We have to stop this handgun violence! The time is here for a full handgun ban in this country. The only thing you hunt with a handgun is people. Even police officers have too many guns. An officer only needs "1" handgun for work.
SHHHH, BE VAWY,VAWY QUIET. WE ER HUNTIN LOONY TUNE LIBERALS. YOU BETTER START SWIMMIN TO FRANCE -- ASSHAT! YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T DONE YOUR HOMEWORK ON GUN BANS,THEY DON'T WORK! KINDA LIKE ALOT OF YOUR LIBERAL FRIENDS. I KNOW, THE ONLY WAY I CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND IS WITH A GUN! HOW IRONIC.
Ohhh ohh I know the answer to this.
I think the message here to the victim from the offenders was
"FUCK YOU"
lets train all the gang bangers how to shoot straight and KILL the other bangers! we could make it an olympic event and give medals for the most gang banger kills! Would be a fun event!
Hey, anonymous (8:46AM), even though I would be considered an "old timer" today (20+ years of service), I agree with much of what you posted here. Back in my day, we didn't run the amount of scrutiny that you do today. And believe it or not, we accomplished FAR MORE with a well placed boot or fist than we did by sending people to jail. Pain was a universal teacher...if the Police kicked your ass, you just didn't do what pissed that cop off again...ever. On the downside of those early years, drinking on the job was rampant. Some guys did partake in "backseat sex" with the working girls. Those of us who took no part in that stuff simply held our noses, and hoped for better days (and better partners!). And of course, there were those who made numerous traffic stops, and yet wrote no movers. We stayed away from those folks also, and prayed that when they got caught up, we wouldn't be working with them. Usually, they got taken down by IAD alone, as most of those kinds of officers preferred to work 10-99. Spelling and grammar weren't important back then...and if you read reports written by many of your "less than 5 year" comrades, it apparently is true today. I've seen more bad spelling and grammatical errors by kids who come on this job with MULTIPLE degrees now than ever before. So, either teaching isn't the same, or people in this country just aren't being well educated...take your pick. One thing's for certain, if you can't put it down on paper, it really doesn't matter what kind of paper you have, or where you got it from.
In closing, keep looking out for the kind of officer who will like to do the kind of Policing that you do; sooner or later, you'll bump into each other, and it will form a great partnership; it just takes time.
There was great fear that the free coffee and donut train would come to a screaching halt.
"HOW'S MESSING WITH MY DOTS"
one head, chest and shoulder who died, was revived, then died again.
Does that count as two homicides then?????
Poor Cat.
A FRIENDLY MSG TO TRU OFFICERS. YOU ARE IN A POSITION THAT WILL PISS OFF A LOT OF OTHER OFFICERS BECAUSE YOU ARE IN A UNIT, NOT A DISTRICT. WITH THE FREEDOM YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERING JOBS, YOU SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON BRINGING THE HAMMER DOWN ON GANGBANGERS AND DOPEDEALERS, THUGS WITH GUNS AND SCUMBAGS THAT ARE UP TO NO GOOD. I TOTALLY SUPPORT THOSE "FEW" TRU OFFICERS THAT ARE DOING THEIR JOB. I SCOLD AND HOPE TO CHANGE THOSE MAJORITY OF TRU OFFICERS THAT DAWG IT, GO HOME AND PLAY PLAYSTATION, TAKE THEIR 4 HOUR LUNCH, GET THOSE PHONE NUMBERS IN 018 AND 001 OR JUST DRIVE AROUND IN CIRCLES DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
OFFICERS, TAKE PRIDE IN YOUR JOB. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE FREE TIME YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERING JOBS. YOU SHOULD HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO DO ENOUGH TRAFFIC OR STREET STOPS OR RIDE ON JOBS TO COME IN WITH A GOOD FELONY ARREST EACH AND EVERY DAY.
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEIR ARE WAY TOO MANY COPPERS IN TRU THAT GOT THEIR NOT BY MERIT BUT BY A SIMPLE PHONE CALL OR BULLSHITTED THEIR WAY IN.
PLUS - ATTENTION TRU OFFICERS. YOU ARE A CITY WIDE TEAM. WHEN YOU COME INTO A DISTRICT THAT YOU ARE NOT FROM, TAKE A DEEP BREATH. YOU ARE AN OUTSIDER. DON'T ACT LIKE YOU'RE ALL THAT AND A BAG A CHIPS. ENTER THE STATION, DO YOUR JOB, ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU MUST BUT DON'T ACT LIKE YOU'RE ALL THAT AND KNOW EVERYTHING AND DEMAND THINGS. YOU'RE IN SOMEBODY ELSES HOUSE AND BE NICE. ASK QUESTIONS, SAY THANK YOU, ETC AND WE WILL ALL GET ALONG SO MUCH BETTER. YOU WONDER WHY THE ATTITUDE IS SO FOUL AGAINST TRU THESE DAYS.
To 4/16/2007 08:46:00 AM, it's because of all your fuck ups that we have all the rules and regs today. Beating a kid with a mag flashlight until he's brain dead is not being the real police. Running cocaine from Miami to Chicago is not the real police. Doing Home Invasions are not the real police. Taking cash from Polish immigrants is not the real police. Electro-shock treatment to some guys nipples is not the way to get a confession and is not the real police. That's more of a circle jerk with bunch of closet homosexuals. I'm sure you would have been one of the 18 p.o.'s who gave depositions against the SOS idiots who now are indicted. So before you show your jealousy to the "hair gel" p.o's that took advantage of the opportunities presented to them and got degrees, why don't you stop and look at your generation of fuck ups and degenerates who handed the new world order to us.
The problem is, when you went to school 20,30,40 years ago, there were no computers. If you wrote (or typed) a paper and didnt know how to spell a word, you would look it up; and most of the time it stayed with you. In modern times (this includes myself) young adults finishing college have programs with spell checker. Click on button and it does it for you. So I think thats why people finishing college now are bad spellers. Just my opinion.
There is a lot to say about the lack of training some of these young folks on this job are getting. Some stupid three year wonder who I am forced to work with could have got me killed due to her inattention to duty and total lack of interest to this job. I am not going out on this job because some stupid broad cares more about paying attention to her cell phone and her raggady ass appearance than a man with a gun. Thank God I have a lot of time on this job and not much suprises me, but I can see her at the round table saying uhm I didnt see anything cause I was busy texting my friend. There is a lot to say about experience and attention to duty. No not duty to this job but to yourself and your partner who has a family. You have to be a real special person to have less than 5 years on this job and say you are the real police. This is a unique job and unless you are some highly trained military person you know nothing. Take your uniform off and that badge and still deal with the same shitbags regardless of your office and see what happens,if you can handle the scene withour your superman outfit then you are the real police. How many of you new little jagoffs and bitches can do that. Maybe 3 out of 50. So u are new so what be real about what u can and can't do cause thats the only way u r going to survive along with your partner.
Anonymous said...
To 4/16/2007 08:46:00 AM, it's because of all your fuck ups that we have all the rules and regs today. Beating a kid with a mag flashlight until he's brain dead is not being the real police. Running cocaine from Miami to Chicago is not the real police. Doing Home Invasions are not the real police. Taking cash from Polish immigrants is not the real police. Electro-shock treatment to some guys nipples is not the way to get a confession and is not the real police. That's more of a circle jerk with bunch of closet homosexuals. I'm sure you would have been one of the 18 p.o.'s who gave depositions against the SOS idiots who now are indicted. So before you show your jealousy to the "hair gel" p.o's that took advantage of the opportunities presented to them and got degrees, why don't you stop and look at your generation of fuck ups and degenerates who handed the new world order to us.
4/16/2007 11:50:00 PM
THANKS BOYS AND GIRLS DON'T GET SO MAD! WE NEED YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE LOW! PLEASE PAY MORE INTO MY PENSION, DON'T THINK IT WILL BE THERE FOR YOU BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR GENEROSITY! THANK YOU TO ALL THE COLLEGE KIDS KEEP WORKING SHIFTS WHERE YOU CANNOT SEE YOUR FAMILY UNLESS DADDY OR MOMMY IS OR KNOWS A BOSS YOUR DOOMED! KEEP SAYING YOU WILL GET PROMOTED THANKS TO YOUR BULLSHIT DEGREE! LOL!! THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES!!
"How many of you new little jagoffs and bitches can do that. Maybe 3 out of 50."
Dude, a little misogynistic are we ??
A little time due is in order or perhaps a little medial roll R&R.
Tell the WC you can't work with this PO in question,if she even really exists in the 1st place?
A FRIENDLY MSG TO TRU OFFICERS. YOU ARE IN A POSITION THAT WILL PISS OFF A LOT OF OTHER OFFICERS BECAUSE YOU ARE IN A UNIT, NOT A DISTRICT. WITH THE FREEDOM YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERING JOBS, YOU SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON BRINGING THE HAMMER DOWN ON GANGBANGERS AND DOPEDEALERS, THUGS WITH GUNS AND SCUMBAGS THAT ARE UP TO NO GOOD. I TOTALLY SUPPORT THOSE "FEW" TRU OFFICERS THAT ARE DOING THEIR JOB. I SCOLD AND HOPE TO CHANGE THOSE MAJORITY OF TRU OFFICERS THAT DAWG IT, GO HOME AND PLAY PLAYSTATION, TAKE THEIR 4 HOUR LUNCH, GET THOSE PHONE NUMBERS IN 018 AND 001 OR JUST DRIVE AROUND IN CIRCLES DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
OFFICERS, TAKE PRIDE IN YOUR JOB. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE FREE TIME YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERING JOBS. YOU SHOULD HAVE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO DO ENOUGH TRAFFIC OR STREET STOPS OR RIDE ON JOBS TO COME IN WITH A GOOD FELONY ARREST EACH AND EVERY DAY.
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THEIR ARE WAY TOO MANY COPPERS IN TRU THAT GOT THEIR NOT BY MERIT BUT BY A SIMPLE PHONE CALL OR BULLSHITTED THEIR WAY IN.
PLUS - ATTENTION TRU OFFICERS. YOU ARE A CITY WIDE TEAM. WHEN YOU COME INTO A DISTRICT THAT YOU ARE NOT FROM, TAKE A DEEP BREATH. YOU ARE AN OUTSIDER. DON'T ACT LIKE YOU'RE ALL THAT AND A BAG A CHIPS. ENTER THE STATION, DO YOUR JOB, ASK QUESTIONS IF YOU MUST BUT DON'T ACT LIKE YOU'RE ALL THAT AND KNOW EVERYTHING AND DEMAND THINGS. YOU'RE IN SOMEBODY ELSES HOUSE AND BE NICE. ASK QUESTIONS, SAY THANK YOU, ETC AND WE WILL ALL GET ALONG SO MUCH BETTER. YOU WONDER WHY THE ATTITUDE IS SO FOUL AGAINST TRU THESE DAYS.
Try to practice what you preach, plenty of times people from the district walk right by when someone says hello to them, even people from their own district, it's funny actually. As far as driving around 001 and 018, we aren't allowed in those districts unless we are working there, we are so under the gun to be in the DOC thanks to the SOS shit that what you think happens, doesn't. There are no 4 hr lunches, even the dets aren't doing that. If you think it's so easy to make a great felony pinch every night, come over and try it; we hit a district with 30 cars, plus the district cars, tac teams, sat teams, gang intel and whoever else is around and guess what, the gangbangers and dope boys see all the cars and the shit shuts down, so you get what you can, sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don't. As far as being nice, it works both ways, don't have an attitude when we are at the desk, waiting for lockup, using a computer etc, we didn't ask to come to your district, we were requested, by your Commander. We know the lockup and desk get busy when we are there but the people in those positions bid for them. Practice what you preach and we will get along just fine. This is all nothing new, the same gripes were heard way before TRU was started, the beefs were directed at SOS, Gangs, and the task force for those old enough to remember...
to 4/16/2007 08:46:00 AM, your more than likely that 19p super cop, and your fat and haven't done shit, so shut up.
the post about the hispanics in 010 are true..they never go north of cermak..but there are a few other workers in 010 that do work north, and the people in 010 know who they are. keep up the good work guys and girls and be safe...the post about the super ppo's that work the 06 car on afternoon's could not be more true,could'nt find a dope spot, even if the guy offered them some rocks. pricelessssssssssssss
Wrong, TRU heard the loud reports, found the shooting, called the ambulance and started protecting the scene and gave a flash, what more do you want? i'ma det. in the area, I thought they did fine.
4/16/2007 08:30:00 AM
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Wrong, wrong, wrong again. TRU enough, the TRU wagon found the persons shot and called for ems, but NO FLASH, NO CRIME SCENE PROTECTION, NO CONTROL. I doubt seriously that you are an area Detective, as they were all equally disgusted on scene. Christ, do SOMETHING, even if it's wrong! Standing with your hands in your pockets slack-jawed around in the street helps no one.
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What did you want them to do? CPR?
The mutt is dead, move on. They don't have an intimate knowledge of every district as they move around a lot....
4/16/2007 10:48:00 AM
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No one expects CPR. How about getting a flash message so the other cars in the area can maybee get the offender? How about determining who witnesses are, the injuries or protecting the crime scene. It was tragic.
You don't need intimate knowledge of the district to help out with the basics, like the things highlighted above. If I'm an Inspector, a gang car working 'Operation Safe Summer' or a house mouse working 'Closed Market' and first car on scene of a job, am I exempt from identifying the offender or securing the crime scene? No, certainly not.
Again, this was severely lacking not just in TRU, but in the District people on scene as well. It just so happens that TRU has such a bottleneck of short-timers with no concept of what we are ALL supposed to do it sticks out more. Thats what people are bitching about.
There are plenty of very competent, capable and dependable police in TRU. It's a great concept. However, no one can deny there’s a butt-load of hacks that have been there since their successful completion of their probation, with virtually no more knowledge of their job than they had when they came out of the Academy. Shit, they just officially stated you need TWO YEARS to be in the unit. TWO DAMN YEARS. I don't think many cops can say they were self-sufficient enough to be in a city-wide unit in two years. I know I wasn't. Honestly, were you? Doubtful. You really don't start learning until AFTER your probation is up. They only have six months after that and 'boom', in a unit.
Four companies of TRU: 320-350 people. SOS has about another 300. Here's an idea. Identify the 10 most violent and crime-ridden Districts. Take the combined total of both units and add at least 60 people to each of these Districts. 60 cops per District. Then hold the D/C RESPONSIBLE for reducing crime; and dump him if he can't get the job done. We don't need to have all these citywide units running around on "missions". The proper way to put cops on the "dots" is to put them back in the Districts where they belong. We need to cease the mantra of fighting "guns, gangs and drugs" and go back to crime control. When you reduce all crime, even the little ones, the major crimes, like robbery and homicide will come down. Bratton proved it in NYC and he's proving that's the way it's done now in LA. Let's remember where all Chicago's crime and murders went to...the suburbs, ever since those housing projects came down. Just check the facts. They're there. And they are true.
Anonymous said...
Attention haters of the hair gel police! I know this is not as fashionable as the golden ages of the "Greasers", the mirrored sun glasses, and the "cop mustache". You guys are just old and jealous that your time has passed and your so fat that you haven't seen your wiener in years! You know they check us for hair gel at TRU during stand up inspection, maybe we just don't want to get gigged.
4/16/2007 08:30:00 AM
LET ME TELL YOU SOMTHING CHILD! i AM OVER 50 STILL CAN BENCH 350# CAN YOU? YEA I'M BALD BUT SO ARE MANY OF YOUR GROUP! AT LEAST I DID NOT WASTE TIME LETTING MOM AND DAD WORK HARD TO PUT ME THROUGH A DRINKING BINGE COLLEGE! KEEP UP THE GREAT JOB YOUR ALL THE BEST CHILDREN ANY OLD MAN WOULD BE PROUD OF! JUST PLEASE TELL YOUR FAT FRIENDS LIKE ABBATE TO QUIT BEING SUCH A PUSSY AND DRAWING HEAT! BUT BOYS AND GIRLS THE CLOUT FROM THE JEFFERSON TAP INCIDENT SHOWS WHY THE TAPE WILL NEVER BE RELEASED AND THOSE BOYS WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM KEEPING THEIR JOBS!
the post about the hispanics in 010 are true..they never go north of cermak..but there are a few other workers in 010 that do work north, and the people in 010 know who they are. keep up the good work guys and girls and be safe...
Ah yes, the infamous "people don't work north of cermak because they are scared" Right. You are the real police because you work north of cermak and get all those great one bagger arrests. You are the real police because you respond for the 75th time to the "baby daddy, momma drama" bullshit on the north end. You are the real police because you get into a foot chase everyday for the same pcs bullshit. You are the real police because the only crime that happens in 010 is on the north end. Get a fucking clue. Shit, the illegals on the southend, damn them to hell, but at least they pay taxes and work for a living. But go right ahead and clean up that north end, I'm sure they appreciate you being there.
There are plenty of very competent, capable and dependable police in TRU. It's a great concept. However, no one can deny there’s a butt-load of hacks that have been there since their successful completion of their probation, with virtually no more knowledge of their job than they had when they came out of the Academy. Shit, they just officially stated you need TWO YEARS to be in the unit. TWO DAMN YEARS. I don't think many cops can say they were self-sufficient enough to be in a city-wide unit in two years. I know I wasn't. Honestly, were you? Doubtful. You really don't start learning until AFTER your probation is up. They only have six months after that and 'boom', in a unit.
Sorry but the 5-7 yrs is the average time on in TRU, I doubt 3rd watch in 010 can say that....
a little misogynistic are we ??
A little time due is in order or perhaps a little medial roll R&R.
Tell the WC you can't work with this PO in question,if she even really exists in the 1st place?
FYI I am not a dude!
Secondly she does exist, and yes I have let the WC know.
I still have to work with her but I will do nothing I can't handle myself not even traffic stops of more than 1 person. Fortunately I have friends who back us up on any jobs we have unfortuneately this incident didn't occur on a job thats what sucks, shit can happen at any time and when you least expect it.
I certainly hope that she is more closely supervised and no one ever gets hurt because of her lack of attention and self absorption.
Four companies of TRU: 320-350 people. SOS has about another 300. Here's an idea. Identify the 10 most violent and crime-ridden Districts. Take the combined total of both units and add at least 60 people to each of these Districts. 60 cops per District. Then hold the D/C RESPONSIBLE for reducing crime; and dump him if he can't get the job done. We don't need to have all these citywide units running around on "missions". The proper way to put cops on the "dots" is to put them back in the Districts where they belong. We need to cease the mantra of fighting "guns, gangs and drugs" and go back to crime control. When you reduce all crime, even the little ones, the major crimes, like robbery and homicide will come down. Bratton proved it in NYC and he's proving that's the way it's done now in LA. Let's remember where all Chicago's crime and murders went to...the suburbs, ever since those housing projects came down. Just check the facts. They're there. And they are true.
Yeah that's zero tolerance missions, that means drinkers, pissers, turn style jumpers, graffiti artists, gang loiterers, reckless conduct, disorderly, etc, the very same type of arrest that get ridiculed by the "real police" on this board when made by tac, gangs, TRU, SOS when instructed to do so; you can't have it both ways, yes it works, that's been proven in NY and everywhere else employed, you just need coppers who will swallow their pride and get the job done.
Yes alot of the project dwellers went to the south, west burbs but most shifted into Area 2 and 1 districts, resulting in the explosion of shootings and Homicides out there last year.
I guarantee TRU will have the same problems as SOS has now. Eventually they will fuck up just like the rest of the units. But the powers that be will just rename it and it will start all over again. (TRU is going to be the next SOS)
I can't believe that only 2yrs are needed to get to a unit. They barely know the job. Though everyone keeps saying the average time in TRU is 5-7yrs, so I hope there aren't too many 2yr wonders.
Well anyway you TRU people enjoy those "fast" districts. Learning how to protect people who don't care about themselves much less you. Stay safe. Better u than me.
This post isn't for everyone mostly for those who would prefer to wine and complaine about things than actually try to improve them . So in refference to us know nothings with less than "5" years on this job who want to work and learn, maybe if more of the "senior" Coppers would get off their high horse and try to pass down some of their infinate wisdom like in the "OLD DAYS", instead of walking around all high and mighty we wouldnt have to make posts about it. It's (in most cases) not a lack of willingness to learn but no one willing to teach. So when a young copper asks you a question dont blow them off fill them in.
Sorry but the 5-7 yrs is the average time on in TRU, I doubt 3rd watch in 010 can say that....
4/18/2007 03:24:00 AM
That is BS just take a look at the seniority roster, yes there are people w/ some time but the REAL average time is about 3 years. Why lie about it? It is what it is
Hmmmmm, sounds like someone who couldn't get into Tru
I guarantee TRU will have the same problems as SOS has now. Eventually they will fuck up just like the rest of the units. But the powers that be will just rename it and it will start all over again. (TRU is going to be the next SOS)
I can't believe that only 2yrs are needed to get to a unit. They barely know the job. Though everyone keeps saying the average time in TRU is 5-7yrs, so I hope there aren't too many 2yr wonders.
Well anyway you TRU people enjoy those "fast" districts. Learning how to protect people who don't care about themselves much less you. Stay safe. Better u than me.
The reason TRU won't have the problems SOS had is because their supervisors are out there with them, and there is no bs going on....
Anonymous said...
Hmmmmm, sounds like someone who couldn't get into Tru
4/18/2007 10:46:00 PM
Who couldn't get into TRU? I'm sure all who applied got in. Those that didn't, probably didn't have that incredibly hard requirement of 2yrs. Get over yourself "elite" police.
Anonymous said...
This post isn't for everyone mostly for those who would prefer to wine and complaine about things than actually try to improve them . So in refference to us know nothings with less than "5" years on this job who want to work and learn, maybe if more of the "senior" Coppers would get off their high horse and try to pass down some of their infinate wisdom like in the "OLD DAYS", instead of walking around all high and mighty we wouldnt have to make posts about it. It's (in most cases) not a lack of willingness to learn but no one willing to teach. So when a young copper asks you a question dont blow them off fill them in.
4/18/2007 05:06:00 PM
Touche!!! Maybe if the young guys (hair gellers) didn't walk around like they know everything already, then maybe they could get the benifit of an "old timer's" advice.
Hey, who's the goof in 009 who thinks he's a Blues Brother? I mean, this Elvis wannabee was wearing rose colored glasses at night complete with sideburns eating at Subway. And you think because I'm TRU that I have issues?
If we had BILL MOSS as supe, this fine citizen would have been saved.
I know there are a lot of digruntled old timers out there but there are a lot of police officrs out there that have 15 plus years that know a lot and don't mind sharing thier experiences with the younger officers but these kids come on like they know everything and don't want to listen to anyone, everthing is not black and white and they cannot see the gray. I have 14 years on this job and when I work with a new kid they treat me like I'm a PPO because I don't look like I have any time on this job and they don't bother to ask, the only reason they realize it is when the everything goes to shit and they need help I know what to do. Then they ask how did you do that or how did you know how to handle that I thought you were new. All these little tots assume too much! I know a lot I've seen a lot but these kids think these are stories I make up or that they will never see or be in. That is so not true. This job is about survival and these kids need to realize they are not bullet proof, they need to listen learn and be worthy of wearing that star and uniform.
Touche!!! Maybe if the young guys (hair gellers) didn't walk around like they know everything already, then maybe they could get the benifit of an "old timer's" advice.
4/19/2007 09:33:00 AM
Ever try to ask a "old timer" a question? Good for bitching but not offering assistance to young officers. They are new like every other officer. In the past, new officers were offered help. Today, no one will offer help. If you are young and told to go F yourself enough times, then you also would not ask for help. What a waste.
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