State's Attorney's Protest
- Hahahahahahaha
Seriously, after so much BS coming down our way by over zealous political hacks in that office looking to make a name for themselves? The fact that CPD had to embarrass and humiliate Felony Review to show some consistency in charging people who attack off duty cops as they do when cops are allegedly the attackers? Or a Simple Battery case becoming a Felony for no good reason? Or various downgrades to preserve the conviction rate?
We're sure we'll hear from some offended ASA's who'll claim that they go out of their way to get charges approved for shaky cases all the time. Or that the political winds blow ill from time to time and their hands are tied. We'll take those hits for now. But that traffic flows both ways. And we have a feeling we know who'll win that one.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
55 Comments:
Fuck the ASA's
How does it feel.....
SCC, You are way wrong with this post. You must be a northsider. 99% of the regular ASA's are on our side. And they deserve to be paid better. They are better educated than us and earned their degree. They are underpaid and overworked.
Just think of how many cases where we were obviously about to perjure ourselves and the case was plead out. THEY ARE ON OUR SIDE!!
Yes, the newbies at felony review reject your little PSMV pinch because again the driver stated "of course I knew the car was stolen". Even though he had the keys. Come On.
Or You chase a guy at a suspicious person call and 25 mins later you find the bad guy hiding under a porch and your partner comes on the air stating that he found the gun a block away. Of course you seen him drop it even though it's never mentioned on the tape.
Yes, felony review rejects airtight cases at times. Then get an overide. Or work in a busy district where your calling felony review twice a week and you don't really care if they reject charges.
Darren O'Brien is an idiot but most of the other ASA's ARE ON OUR SIDE!!!!!
And i know a few Officers who owe their jobs to them.
Bottom Line SCC, Hard-working coppers in busy districts who enjoy putting the bad guys away in PRISON would support a raise for them. The other cops who cry every time their potential felony gets denied would be against them. Now i know where you stand!
Before I can approve the ASA's case for a protest, I would first like them to:
Re-interview Stroger again,
Try to get a statement out of him saying he won't give them a raise,
Try to retrieve the video of him saying he won't approve a raise,
Have all the state's attorney pick Stroger out of a line-up (the fact everyone knows him and knows he's the Board President is not enough),
Fax me over all the paperwork,
Wait for me to call back in two hours,
and after you get all that I will approve...nah...
Sorry, I'm not going to approve the protest. Charge 'em with a misdemeanor!
4:15AM - Well said. Too many coppers are lying these days to bolster their cases. A fact well-known to ASA's and Judges and worst, defense attorneys. Perjury charges would be brought more often if the ASA's allowed these cases to go to trial. OTOH, they can plead them out without putting the lying officer in jeopardy of losing his job and going to jail. Some officers should be very grateful their "big" pinches never see the light of day.
7/28/2007 04:15:00 AM
Mr. ASA, quit trying to pass youself off as a Policeman.
Do the ASA's support us at contract time? I'm in favor of them getting a raise, but when we're getting our usual take it or leave it offer, I can't recall any ASA's publicly speaking out on our behalf. I'm also curious if any of them supported St.Roger at election time?
To poster 7/28/2007 04:15:00 AM: You are either a ASA or a non working police officer who is truely blinded. They are NOT on our side, ask them (the upper managers) about the coppers they keep "books" on. They deny these book and or lists don't exist, they do however. Why do they tell you, the arresting officer, to leave the room after taking handwritten statements and then ask the defendant how were they treated by the officers. But you wouldn't know about this if you've never made a felony arrest in your career.
SCC your right! Most of the ASA'S are ONLY trying to make a name for themself's we are nothing to them.
I leave a rebuttle for whoever 4:15 am is. The law is the law, it is written in black and white. If the law is not open to interpretation one day then it is not open any day. That was the point I believe SCC was trying to make.
When a police officer is battered, it is a felony. The ASA's shouldn't be picking and choosing which cases they will approve. Approve them all or get the law changed. The law is blind, it doesn't look at anything other than what is alledged.
In closing big hero. I have worked as a patrolman in both slow and busy dists. I have know worked as a detective in both a busy and now slow violent crime area. The ASA's are for the most part useless. I've never seen so much hand holding in my life with ASA's. The majority of them couldn't make a decision on their own if their life depended on it. They routinely make it hard on good witnesses. They are so afraid of trials you would think they have never been part of one. The majority of ASAs would stick it to a copper for a few brownie pts in a heartbeat.
I won't get into the N. Side/Scum Side thing. Your cocky ignorance speaks for itself.
as far as Im concered the asa are underpaid after all they think there the asa judge and jury when it comes to getting charges. Murder, Robbery real cases real & semi real victims. ASA's are afraid to do there job and prosecute a case if its not a case that will be pled or on the news the ASA's are afraid to charge.
To 7/28/2007 04:15:00 AM:
Nice try ASA, but it is obvious you are not the police!
“They are better educated than us and earned their degree”
First, if you were the police you would realize just how educated this department actually is! I can’t count the number of Officers with advanced degrees and I am not talking about bullshit criminal justice degrees. I am talking about Masters and PhD’s in computers, business, psychology, and nursing. I also know one with an MD not to mention all the officers with JD’s. So maybe all you ASA’s aren’t as “educated” as you think you are!
Secondly,
“we were obviously about to perjure ourselves and the case was plead out”
Get real! Although it probably does happen, perjure by the police isn’t as prevalent as you and your buddies in the ASA’a office think it is. The reason you plead these guys out is because you are afraid of being taken to the cleaners by some defense attorney who is making the real money. Plus, a plea counts as a conviction for you so your numbers still look good. Grow a pair of balls and try some of these cases, if you lose we’ll catch them again doing something else and you can try again.
Thirdly,
“the driver stated “of course I knew the car was stolen". Even though he had the keys”
If you were the police you would know that cars can and do get stolen with the keys. People accidentally lock their keys in their cars. Other people just leave their keys in the car and the car running as they quickly run into the store. These are just two examples, are you starting to understand how the car can be stolen and the bad guy can have the keys? Remember PSMV means Possession of a Stolen Motor Vehicle whether the keys are in the car or not!
Fourth,
Your little foot chase example. If you were the police you would understand the dynamics of a foot chase. Have you ever chased someone while at the same time wondering if he has another gun on him/her and talk on the radio telling the other officers where you are at, what direction the bad guy is headed, hold you flash light when it is dark, and wonder what is around the next corner? Obviously not because you are an ASA and not the police!
Lastly,
“And i know a few Officers who owe their jobs to them”
Are you kidding me? I don’t know any Officers who owe their jobs to an ASA, although I do know quite a few who were put through the ringer or fired because of an ASA and I have been on this job a long time! Officers don’t go to ASA’s when the shit hits the fan; they go to the veterans and supervisors who know what they are doing and can trust. An ASA would be the last one I would look to cover my butt! Conversely, I know a lot of Officers who owe their jobs to veteran Officers and to their supervisors. But that is not a big deal because that is what the police do, we take care of each other. But you wouldn’t know that either because YOU are not the POLICE.
They are better educated than us...
-Speak for yourself there, sporto.
They are underpaid and overworked.
-Yeah, so are we... And I don't recall hearing in the news of any ASA's being shot/killed in their daily duties. Us first, then you...
Bottom Line SCC, Hard-working coppers in busy districts who enjoy putting the bad guys away in PRISON would support a raise for them(ASAs). The other cops who cry every time their potential felony gets denied would be against them. Now i know where you stand!
7/28/2007 04:15:00 AM "
--Signed a disgurntled Spouse of an ASA.
Hey Guy it is what it is, you knew that when you married her, So the morality trip you're trying to lay on those who know better is disengenuous to say the least. Nice Try, now take the get off the Blog& take the Kids to swim Class!!
As one who has been a working copper for many years, I can tell you that there are States Attorneys who are our friends, and those that are not. Over the years, there have been more that were on our side than those that wern't. The biggest problem in that office is Darren O'Brien. He is not our friend, and may have some skeletons in his own closet.
Saying all ASA's are bad is like saying all cops are bad.
People can easily label all of us from the SOS or Abbate incidents.
So you had a bullshit case rejected, so what. Most ASA's are on our side, even Darren (most of the time).
You may not like him but he has to weed out the bullshit. If you want every one of your cases approved, go work in Mayberry.
Go ahead and keep bashing the Cook Co. ASA's as a whole. You're a hippocrate if you do.
I support their pay raise! Why should PD's make 12.75% more to keep the thugs out of jail?
Darren O'Brien says it all... Why do you think he's the longest ever head of felony review (at least in the last 30 years) Because Devine has no use for and chooses to f*** with us, and its a well known fact that O'Brien is a Police hater. As long as that piece of sh** is running felony review, the States Attorney's are on their own. Over the years there has been a glorious association with the police department and the states attorneys office. Rumor has it that Devine steps down this term, and hopefully someone from the old school takes his spot. First order of business has to be the reassignment of O'Brien>
you dumbocrats voted stroger good for you he is nothing and gives nothing another jagoff you elected now live with it!
Just think of how many cases where we were obviously about to perjure ourselves and the case was plead out. THEY ARE ON OUR SIDE!!
I never have perjured myself. We are paying for all the crap they did years ago.
SCC you guys have a lot of balls crying politics when you discuss the states attorney's office. Your department is the most politicized agency i have ever seen. Daley and the alderman run your department as evidenced by the bullshit gun turn ins and those nonsense street corner conspiracy cases.. Give me a break
The ASA is not our friend
Maybe Judge Lefkow will make an appearence on SCC also, and ask for our support next time she gets stalked
I must cadd my two cents worth here because I think that it must be said clearly and truthfully....Darren O'Brien is not an idiot.....Darren O'Brien is a big fat lying two faced arrogant prick!!!!
Off Topic
Anyone know if this was part of the OPS restructure or if this provision is subject to the upcoming contract negotiations and what is the F.O.P.'s position:
"We further propose and recommend that police officers who provide information about other officers wrongdoing be given protection from reprisals and where necessary rewards for providing testimony concerning other officers wrongdoing by allowing transfers to other units and in some cases promotions. This is prohibited by the current F.O. P. contract and by City Ordinance which state "An officer under investigation shall not be threatened with transfer, dismissal, or disciplinary action (or promised a reward as an inducement to provide information relating to the incident under investigation or) for exercising any rights contained herein"
4:15a
What the hell are you talking about; you flip-flop worse than the politicians; I agree , we should stay out of this one. Too many ASA's are not as well educated as you state and I'll put my degree up against 90 % of them. They made their beds and I would say there are far too few worth their weight anymore.I kinda think you may not be the police, because you sure don't sound like one.
ASA ARE BETTER EDUCATED?
THEY ARE UNDER PAID?
PERJURE MYSELF?
LITTLE PSMV?
EDUCATION DOES NOT MAKE A PERSON INTELLIGENT. IF I SPENT TEN OF THOUSAND OF DOLLARS FOR A LAW DEGREE WOULD I APPLY TO THE LOWEST PAYING JOB.
THE FUNNY THING ABOUT PSMV IS THAT WHEN ITS YOUR CAR YOU WANT PRINTS DNA SAMPLES AND THE OFFENDER TO BE TORTURED FOR A CONFESSION.
SO TAKE THE CASE SERIOUS. IF A BULLSHIT SHOPLIFTING CASE IS A FELONY FOR RAZOR BLADES THEN A 20,000 $ CAR SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC.
THE COUNTY DOES NOT CARE ABOUT ITS EMPLOYEES SO MAY BE THEY SHOULD GET THE HINT.
Unless you have a dead bang conviction, felonious review will not approve charges. They want to have a high conviction rate and not lose a case. They could care less about the victim, and the police officer whom they do not believe. They don't believe the witnesses told you what they did or that you recorded it properly. They have to sit there and interview everyone again. Why? Are they better then the police and think they can get more out of the case.
Just like we can't choose what cases we should report (we take them all) they should approve them all and take them to court. More then likely, the person will plead out.
They should get more money, when they do more work and earn it by taking all the cases to court and do the job they get paid for.
The Keesing Bandit says---
It doesn't matter of SCC is a northsider or not--the ASAs have abandoned us. Once, perhaps, they were our friends, but you must remember that they are also LAWYERS. Law school morphs a person's brain. When the ASAs who want our help do something to aid those of us that have been railroaded by DICK Devine for political expediency, then we can help. Until then----
Kees me you fool!!!
4:15AM - Well said. Too many coppers are lying these days to bolster their cases. A fact well-known to ASA's and Judges and worst, defense attorneys. Perjury charges would be brought more often if the ASA's allowed these cases to go to trial. OTOH, they can plead them out without putting the lying officer in jeopardy of losing his job and going to jail. Some officers should be very grateful their "big" pinches never see the light of day.
7/28/2007 09:0 M
Well officer, I have a lot of years on this job leaving real soon. Yet I have to say he is right, perjury has been a real problem on the CPD. I myself have never done it, however, WE all know the score. Just my two cents.
"Seriously, after so much BS coming down our way by over zealous political hacks in that office looking to make a name for themselves?"--SCC
Seriously, how does picking a fight with the ASA's office further advance the cause of public safety? Our ememies are everywhere I guess. NOT!
Time to grow up guys. The ASAs are getting screwed by the Toddler and you know it. The only way our system can work is if the police department and the ASAs row as a team. Let's face it, there are cops that bring some fucked up cases to 26th street, or at least try to.
If the rules of evidence and probable cause are violated then the case is dead in the water--no matter how "guilty" the suspect. Try getting this point across to some of our thick-headed co-workers--I sure have.
None of this is to say that the ASA's office is a well-oiled machine, but then of course that's beside the point. The ASA's are on our side (albiet with a different role to play) and, in this instance, are getting the Royal Once Over by Todd and the gang. They deserve our support.
Stay safe.
Before I can approve the ASA's case for a protest, I would first like them to:
Re-interview Stroger again,
Try to get a statement out of him saying he won't give them a raise,
Try to retrieve the video of him saying he won't approve a raise,
Have all the state's attorney pick Stroger out of a line-up (the fact everyone knows him and knows he's the Board President is not enough),
Fax me over all the paperwork,
Wait for me to call back in two hours,
and after you get all that I will approve...nah...
Sorry, I'm not going to approve the protest. Charge 'em with a misdemeanor!
7/28/2007 07:21:00 AM
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LMAO!!!
Darren O'Brien is going to have the victims from Durkin Park race crime charged with Mob Action including the driver of the car that ran over several people. Imagine if the driver was white running over the group of blacks.
"The biggest problem in that office is Darren O'Brien.
its a well known fact that O'Brien is a Police hater.
Darren O'Brien is an idiot but most of the other ASA's ARE ON OUR SIDE!!!!!"
All this blabbering about O'Brien,(yes he's a Goof) but amazingly not a word said about his Boss Dick "I serve the Mayor" Devine?
Remember who the Runts right hand man was when he was States Atty?
None other than Dick Devine.
So if you want to point the collective finger @ why the States Atty's office is so f'd up(&who really runs that office) you need look no further than the 5th Floor.
WAKE UP DUMMIES, WAKE UP!!!
EDUCATION DOES NOT MAKE A PERSON INTELLIGENT. IF I SPENT TEN OF THOUSAND OF DOLLARS FOR A LAW DEGREE WOULD I APPLY TO THE LOWEST PAYING JOB.
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Lack of an education does not improve your grammer.
Last time I checked:
ASA don't go "in progress" "man with a gun", " carjackinging in progress" or my personal favorite a "10-1" call. fuck them!
I've never been to a funeral of a a.s.a. or judge killed while responding to a domestic violece call.
To poster 7/28/2007 04:15:00 AM: You are either a ASA or a non working police officer who is truely blinded. They are NOT on our side, ask them (the upper managers) about the coppers they keep "books" on. They deny these book and or lists don't exist, they do however. Why do they tell you, the arresting officer, to leave the room after taking handwritten statements and then ask the defendant how were they treated by the officers. But you wouldn't know about this if you've never made a felony arrest in your career.
7/28/2007 09:36:00 AM
Any officer that knows anything about investigations knows that this tactic is necessary in court when the ASA that took the statement testifies. This is done to show that the arrestee had the opportunity to complain if the confession was cohersed.
I once had a felony review bitch in high heels try and get bitchy with me because I had her come out to 15 instead of A/5 for a domestic related rape case. I told her the A/O's had to fight the asshole and I wasn't going to take the beast out of lockup and transport to A/5 for her convenience, of course she got even or so she thought, she rejected charges via her Supervisor. I got Agg Batt to P/O's approved and went home happy. Fuck the stupid ASA as she has to deal with her conscience. Bottom line is that I've had many good/real victims (from the ghetto mostly) and felony review rejects or approves charges based on which way the wind is blowing. Where is the media on this one?
ASA's wont' have to worry about their pay raise for much longer. Keep indicting coppers, bite the hand that feeds you and see what happens. My prediction in the next couple years is that you will see mass layoffs in Crook County States Attorney Office. Coppers have wised up and learned that ASA's are not their friends and never will be. The amount of police work being done has declined and will continue to decline. Less arrests equal less cases to prosecute equals less ASA's needed to plea out cases. Those who want to comment about coppers perjuring themselves, come on. How many times has Felony review basically put the words in your mouth of what to say to get an approval. "Go get me a statement, officer and call me back." My advice to anyone still doing police work, do it by the book, read em those miranda warnings not once but three times and cut them off when they want to talk, advise them again. Hell, why not call their lawyer for them. Do it all by the book and see what kind of caseload you give the Crook County ASA's to work with. One more thing. ASA's G.F.Y.
I have heard ASA's with my own ears call us a bunch of idiots. OK when have ASA's stood in line to back us up hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Ghetto victims be it a prostitute or a gang member deserve justice too. Let a jury decide !!!!!!!!!
How bout the ASA's that want their cop friends" to collect rent or can you do me a favor ?".
The money nazi stroger just announced "NO MONEY FOR YOUS"! Your done quit and find another job stroger won't give away any cash unless your a friend-friend of a friend-contributor-thief etc...
Anonymous said...
4:15AM - Well said. Too many coppers are lying these days to bolster their cases. A fact well-known to ASA's and Judges and worst, defense attorneys. Perjury charges would be brought more often if the ASA's allowed these cases to go to trial. OTOH, they can plead them out without putting the lying officer in jeopardy of losing his job and going to jail. Some officers should be very grateful their "big" pinches never see the light of day.
7/28/2007 09:02:00 AM
No raise for you fool...
There are so many criminals out there they ain't no reason to lie about a big case... If they do and it goes and they get caught pity shame on them.
cop friend of asa's said...
Saying all ASA's are bad is like saying all cops are bad.
People can easily label all of us from the SOS or Abbate incidents.
So you had a bullshit case rejected, so what. Most ASA's are on our side, even Darren (most of the time).
You may not like him but he has to weed out the bullshit. If you want every one of your cases approved, go work in Mayberry.
Go ahead and keep bashing the Cook Co. ASA's as a whole. You're a hippocrate if you do.
I support their pay raise! Why should PD's make 12.75% more to keep the thugs out of jail?
7/28/2007 12:29:00 PM
What rock did you crawl out from under?
No raise for you fool.
As long as they have to sign my OT slip, give them whatever they want Stroger!
A COUPLE OF THESE POSTS SOUND LIKE THE POs MET THE RACIST BITCH ASA LAURIE SULLIVAN. SHE WON'T APPROVE ANY CHARGES IF THE VICTIM [WHO WAS RUN DOWN AND LEFT NEAR DEATH IN THE STREET NEAR HER HOUSE AT 2 PM] IS A CHILD OF COLOR, FROM A POOR FAMILY aka NOT OF VALUE IN HER BOOK, A WARD OF THE STATE OR FROM "EAST OF VINCENNES". IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT I REMEMBER. SHE RAN OUT THE DOOR AFTER SHITTING ON THE KID AND HER FAMILY, WOULD NOT EVEN TAKE A MINUTE AND OFFER AN EXPLAINATION TO THEM. GEE, WHAT A CLASS ACT - PROBABLY THE PRIDE OF THE 019th WARD.
"The money nazi stroger just announced "NO MONEY FOR YOUS"! Your done quit and find another job stroger won't give away any cash unless your a friend-friend of a friend-contributor-thief etc...
7/29/2007 10:20:00 AM"
I weep for the CPD if this is the best and brightest it has to offer. What an ignorant tool. Please, for the love of God, do not procreate - we need no more your kind on this earth.
I was at the ASA rally today. Hundreds of people were there. I am pround to say many of them are POs. The ASAs are supposed to get their raises accepted by the Cook County Board on Tues. Good luck. Maybe - if we stood together we could have an impact on what happens in the CPD workplace.
ASA= aweful student attorney
Maybe - if we stood together we could have an impact on what happens in the CPD workplace.
Wont happen...to many me me me back stabbers on cpd.
you ever notice that all the coppers that have been arrested seem to get hit with all sorts of charges.
YOU BETTER WATCH THAT ASS CUZ WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR BULSHIT MISDOMEANOR THE COUNTIES BEST IS GOING TO GO FOR THE GOLD.
THEY WANT YOU TO LOSE YOUR HOUSE YOUR JOB AND HELL EVEN YOUR FAMILY.
FELONY APPROVAL WILL BE SWIFT WITH IAD. YOU ALSO EVER NOTICE THE ALOT OF THE RAT SQUAD SEEMS TO GET PROMOTED Are they that smart.
ASA ARE ABOUT THE SAME AS DOG CATCHERS AND FIREMAN, WHEN YOU NEED THEM NOW THEIR 10 MINUTES AWAY. DONT LOOK FOR OTHER GOVERMENT DEPARTMENT TO B IN LOVE WITH YOU B CUZ YOU HAVE A BLACK VEST ON. 2 THEM YOUR THE GUY WHO LOCKS UP THEIR CUZIN AND TOWS THEIR RIDE.
SO DONT GET ALL HOT AND BOTHERED ABOUT BULSHIT ARREST JUST RELEASE THEM WITH OUT CHARGING AND STATE THE ASA TOLD YOU YOUR CASE SUCKED THE BIG ONE.
the asa's deserves a pay raise. felony review was not created by the asa's nor was the asshole that runs them. but please if you get this raise sympathise with the cpd a bit and not make us out to be lyers. we do a tough job and try to do our best and clean the streets as street people know how to. if you are on the streets long enough you learn this.
"ASA= aweful student attorney
7/29/2007 08:18:00 PM"
I bet it took you about 15 minutes to come up with this "masterpiece." You're a fucking douche and by the way, it's spelled 'awful,' you festering boil.
Hey SCC, the ASAs got the much- deserved pay increases. In the proudest of city/county traditions i have to say "I got mine now you go get yours" Toodles
Say what you will, but think about this-they all CAME TOGHETHER- made a scene and GOT WHAT THEY WANTED!!! What a thought huh? Imagine that!
I was at the ASA rally today. Hundreds of people were there. I am pround to say many of them are POs. The ASAs are supposed to get their raises accepted by the Cook County Board on Tues. Good luck. Maybe - if we stood together we could have an impact on what happens in the CPD workplace.
Maybe - if we stood together we could have an impact on what happens in the CPD workplace.
Wont happen...to many me me me back stabbers on cpd.
actually sounds like very childish asa posting again
heres a thought if they dont like their job--quit
whoops if the went to a private firm (assuming they'd be hired) they'd have to work 60+ hours a week instead of in by 0900 out nlt 1600hrs. they'd be accountable to the partners and might actually be fired if they didnt produce. Now what? What firm would want to hire someone fired for being non productive. then they are out of work. evr notice how there are minimum 2 or 3 ASAs assigned to a courtroom usually there are 1 maybe 2 PDs plus the county investigators etc hmm maybe trim the fat and then they could get a raise
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