Friday, August 31, 2007

V-Tech Report Misses Something

  • Virginia Tech failed to properly care for a mentally troubled student gunman and waited too long to warn faculty and students after he killed his first two victims in a shooting spree that eventually claimed 31 more lives, including his own, a panel's report concluded.

    Had university officials not waited more than two hours to tell the campus about the initial shootings, lives could have been saved when Seung-Hui Cho later began his massacre inside a classroom building, according to the report, released Wednesday night.

    ''Warning the students, faculty and staff might have made a difference,'' the panel wrote. ''So the earlier and clearer the warning, the more chance an individual had of surviving.''

We haven't read the entire report yet, but just from these paragraphs, and most of the rest of the AP story, we can tell they missed an important point right off the bat:
  • If Virginia Tech hadn't banned guns from campus (even though the State of Virginia recognizes the legal right for citizens to carry concealed), there might have been a dozen or more opportunities to stop this school shooting in its tracks.
That's all it would have taken. One qualified individual exercising their rights under Virginia law to self defense could have ended or delayed this rampage through what was ignorantly declared a "gun free zone." The police can't be everywhere and the police can't protect everyone all the time. We've gotten so far away from taking personal responsibility in this country and relying on the government to solve every single problem that as soon as government fails, no one knows what to do. And that really needs to change.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

New Topic Please:

Why did Tony Ruiz get fired. The Mayor supported the decision not to sound the siren. Anyone have the facts?

8/31/2007 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"If Virginia Tech hadn't banned guns from campus (even though the State of Virginia recognizes the legal right for citizens to carry concealed), there might have been a dozen or more opportunities to stop this school shooting in it's tracks"

SCC,GOOD POINT. THE POLITICALLY CORRECT LEADERSHIP OF V.T. WANTED TO GO "GUN FREE". THE ONLY ONE WHO DIDNT FOLLOW THE RULE WAS THE KILLER. THE ONES WHO DIED, FOLLOWED VT's RULE.

8/31/2007 01:55:00 AM  
Blogger mr.jones said...

You mean a law abiding citizen, legally licensed to carry a concealed firearm, may have prevented some portion of the carnage that happened at that university. Next thing you will say is, protect yourself, for the cameras and calling 911 will not. Jesse,Da Mayor, the media, and the rest of the Rev's can't be wrong.

8/31/2007 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, what you're saying is entirely true, of course. But understand, we are not dealing with rational people here. Those who opppose concealed-carry and other common sense crime prevention measures seek only to perpetuate a cycle of dependancy and reliance on government.

If people actually did things for themselves -as in that great old American tradition of self reliance- what issues would Liberal politicians campaign upon?

Even when common sense prevails -for example in the state of Utah where CC permit holders CAN carry on campus- there are the forces of idiotic Liberalism hard at work trying to undermine it. From CNN:

**The head of the Utah state PTA has started a petition drive, hoping the signatures will help prompt a change in state law -- making it illegal for anyone to bring a gun to school.

"Zero tolerance of concealed weapons in school except for law enforcement officers," said Colleen Taylor of the Utah PTA.

Utah's teachers' union, which supports keeping guns out of schools, believes far less than one percent of it's 23,000 teachers and administrators carry concealed weapons. But that's too many for some educators.

"I do not want students or employees in the building carrying firearms," insisted principal Ken Powell.

"We want responsible gun owners to leave them at home and not bring them to school," said Taylor.**

Uh, you see there Ms Taylor, it is RESPONSIBLE gun owners who are needed most in schools, you doofus! You see, Criminals who do not follow the law tend to also take a dim view of administrative regulations. The end result is Armed Criminals and Unarmed Law-Abiding People. In other words, a recipe for slaughter.

And if Principal Powell actually believes that criminals will respect his wishes along with the decent people, then I guess a Ph.D isn't worth what it used to be these days.

8/31/2007 02:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic:

Why did the $200K jewelry heist/ROBJO in 008 tonight not even merit a Simulcast over Citywide 1?

Partner and I observed an unmarked flying NB on Western from 57th and flipped over to Zone 8 to hear the F/2 dispatch giving the last-seen direction of flight at Archer/Halsted where we just came from a couple minutes beforehand.

Monitored for 20 minutes and it was never put out over CW1

I guess Simulcasting a b.s. "50 females fighting with sticks-and-bricks" is more important.

8/31/2007 02:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea, yea I meant to say Zone 6

8/31/2007 03:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

..Off topic SCC and I Am NOT KIDDING YOU. My check 31 Aug 2007 is 1 cent less than my regular salary since our new contract. I repeat I AM NOT KIDDING. Am I alone? Lets see 50,000 workers 1 penny each, that’s 500 the city has saved, Hummm we are filling the gap in the budget already

8/31/2007 03:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is what you get with an amateur PD

8/31/2007 04:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys/Gals,

I have been away from the CPD since 1990. This blog often reflects a view that not much has changed on the job with respect to old antagonisms, clout drama, and just plain obscene decision making. However I saw the SWAT guuys on the news and I assume they were CPD guys and not the FEEBS. I would like to know who came with this new muscular and elite CPD SWAT Team. It sure isn't your daddy's HBT Team. Those guys were a bunch of old, out of shape guys, who showed up wearing a variety of whatever clothing they had on that date. The new SWAT Team looks like the real deal. Heck when I was in Gangs South, HBT had a markman who weighed at least 350 lbs by his own admission. The guy appeared to wear a size 52 jacket.

From the way these guys deployed it seems like they are a legit unit built on proficiency, true merit, and heart. Any females in the unit?

Kudos and much respect to whoever was the plank owner of the CPD SWAT Team. Those guys look like the old ST6 or maybe the US Army CAG. Many Prayers for the guys and gals of the CPD who continue to protect this beautiful city. Hooyah!


Former 222 BT Driver now an 1811 FED working in a secure and undisclosed location in the loop.

PS No I'm not an Air Marshal. Those guys are 1801 officers not investigators. It's like comparing a CPD Detective with a Burns Security Officer. The Air Marshal of course being the Burns Security Officer.

8/31/2007 07:42:00 AM  
Blogger Crimefile said...

Ignorance, emotional problems or an irrational fear of firearms cause some people to think that bans will somehow work to reduce violence. Of course there are the political types that want to exercise total control over their fellow humans and guns are a hindrance to that kind of goal. The gun-haters refuse to hear any side of the argument but there own and demonize those who suggest the truth.

The fact is guns in the hands of law-abiding people save lives, reduce violent crime, and prevents genocide. The more people trained and armed make any society safer simply because the majority of humans are good people willing to protect themselves and others.

8/31/2007 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

More guns on campus property? No way. Handguns should be banned, period. Handguns are made for killing people, period.

8/31/2007 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PLEASE STOP !! I got over 20 yrs on the job and can't take it anymore. Im shopping in Walgreens at 63rd and Austin on 30AUG07 at 10:30 am and this is what I got to see. A chubby female, with a double chin, wearing cargo pants with a white tee-shirt pulled out of her pants. Obviously this was done to help conceal her gut. She has her tee-shirt tucked behind her gun which was holstered so everyone can see she's carrying a pistol. NO star, NO Id exposed. Too bad someone didnt come in to rob the place, guess who would have been capped first !! I'm sure she had less tha 7 years on the job, and of course when she got into her Maxima, the dangling checkered hatband was there for all to see. If you want to impress someone Deary, drop 20 pounds.

8/31/2007 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Off Topic:

Why did the $200K jewelry heist/ROBJO in 008 tonight not even merit a Simulcast over Citywide 1?

----------------------
Heist like gypsy? or robbery?

8/31/2007 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Note to 03:24:00
If you look closely at all of you checks they're always not quite right. They always make a mistake in the 1-23 cent range. And of course its always in the City's favor. Your OT check is the same. I've called finance and they say it's because our decuctions vary, but that ain't it. Your right, a nickle here, a dime there. What's the fiff? Right? But how come its always in the City's favor and not ours? Think about it.

8/31/2007 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good luck to the P.O.'s in 016 with your new Sgt (F.V.) Never been the police and never will be. This dept. is incredible. She doesnt get her sgt test results until a month after everyone else and low and behold shes in the first class. Go figure. Then lets take care of her some more and put her in 016.

8/31/2007 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately the same thing is going on in the City of Chicago.

Certain "citizens" and ministers blame the police and government for every tragedy that happens in their community but when the police take a proper action they are always protesting and complaining.

You can't have it both ways folks, to live in a safe community the people who live there should be held accountable. Support your local police force and let them do their job and teach your children to respect others.

These ideals are not unattainable goals but unfortunately the in the City of Chicago that will never happen.

8/31/2007 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These school officials, along with most others encountered live in f'ing fantasy land. Ask your kids' teachers which one of them have held down a job outside of a school? These people never leave organized education and therefore have zero knowledge of how things work in a little place called the real world!

8/31/2007 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

National reciprocity for concealed carry is the solution,FOR EVERYONE!!
H.R. 218 does nothing for my daughter.

8/31/2007 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Retired Sgt. in Arkansas said...

And here all along I thought that people outside the boundaries of that God-forsaken shithole called Illinois were just more polite and friendly by nature.....Stay safe guys and gals! Retire from that rat-race as soon as you can. And this is not meant as a criticism because I know everyone has a different situation but PLEASE CONSIDER leaving the sewer of Chicago, the landfill of Crook County and that pathetic State that is the laughingstock of the Union. Again, stay safe and go home at night.

8/31/2007 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New Topic Please:

Why did Tony Ruiz get fired. The Mayor supported the decision not to sound the siren. Anyone have the facts?

8/31/2007 12:09:00 AM

LOL! HOPE THIS IS TRUE ANOTHER HDO HACK GONE! WHEN IS VICTOR REYES GOING TO GO TO JAIL? OR ARE THEY LEAVING HIM ALONE AS HE HAS TO MUCH ON THE KING RICHIE DALEY?
(OT) STARTING TOMORROW TRUCKS FROM MEXICO WILL BE ALLOWED TO TRAVEL WITH FREIGHT ON AMERICAN ROADS WTF! THIS WOULD KILL WHATEVER IS LESS OF TRUCK DRIVING INDUSTRY! NOW WE WILL HAVE THE CLAMPETTS BROKEN DOWN TRUCKS PROWLING OUR HIGHWAYS WITH MORE ILLEGALS ABOARD! BUSH MUST STOP HIS MADNESS AND SEND ALL THE ILLEGAL FUCKS BACK SCOOP THEM ALL UP AND CLOSE THE BORDERS NOW! RUDY G. IS THE ONLY CONSEVATIVE SMART NEXT PRESIDENT RUNNING!

8/31/2007 11:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw a report after the shooting and they said there was a kid that went to VT who had a cc permit and the school oficials wanted to kick him out for breaking the rule of the "gun free" zone.So there would have been at least ONE student that MIGHT have been able to stop the shooter!If the faculty had let him keep it or changed the policy there would have been a lot less killings.Just like liberals, more worried about the guy who is abiding by the law, gets training and is LEGAL. As opposed to the LAWLESS who dont care and/or CRAZY and want to shoot everyone because they ate potato chips and he likes doritos or some stupid shit like that.

8/31/2007 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enough of the gun nut crap. We shoot bad enough, I can just see the TV indoctrinated citizen trying to make the 30 yard kill shot and killing some innocent bystander. Even with 6 months of training, half the coppers out there don't know what is and what isn't a proprer shooting situation.

8/31/2007 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This should end any speculation about him coming here----

BALTIMORE, MD – Former Washington Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, who presided over a sharp drop in homicides and crime in the nation's capital before he stepped down late last year, says he would like to be Baltimore's next police commissioner.

"I've been interviewed. I want the job," Ramsey, 57, said in a phone interview yesterday.

Ramsey said he has been interviewing for the Baltimore job for "about a month," but declined to say whether he approached Mayor Sheila Dixon or she approached him. "I didn't know I'd miss being a police chief so much," he said.

Ramsey and Baltimore's acting commissioner, Frederick H. Bealefeld III, a 26-year veteran, have emerged as the two main contenders for Baltimore's top police post, according to sources familiar with the selection process. Yesterday, Dixon said she would not comment on Ramsey or the search for a police commissioner.

8/31/2007 02:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stay tuned for some Federal Indictments to be officially announced on Tues. against several Chciago Cops.

This year has not been a good one.

8/31/2007 02:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

guns are bad

8/31/2007 02:48:00 PM  
Anonymous The Riddler said...

Couldn't
One
Neutal
Citizen
Effect
All
Lawlessness
And
Not
Depend upon
Cops
And
Realize
Results?
Yes!

-Edward Nigma

8/31/2007 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Schoessling's Mother said...

I want to say I am sorry for my son John be such a moron.

8/31/2007 02:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone go to the new glock class yet? The door was locked at A/5 range and they were in there playing with the new guns all week.

8/31/2007 03:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can top the story of the female police with her gun exposed at 63 and Austin. While I was on furlough, I would go into Panera every morning. And every morning, a female CCSP officer would enter in full uniform, no jacket or covering of any kind, carrying her two hear old on her hip...her gun hip. And nut job in there with a grudge against the police, or a stick up guy walks in, and she's got her child resting on her gun. What's she going to do then? Of course, actually having to take police action in her career would never ocurr to her in the first place.

8/31/2007 04:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word is no more moves in the dept until a new Supt is named?

Any truth to this?

8/31/2007 04:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i noticed the 1 cent decrease also. what is this about?

8/31/2007 05:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC OFF TOPIC

REAL REASON J.C. LEFT 025

IT ALL STARTED SOME WEEKS AGO. J.C. GOT INVITED TO AN INFAMOUS GIBBONS PARTY IN 016. AND IF U KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A CLUB GIBBONS PARTY U KNOW ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. J.C. HAD A FEW COLD ONES AT JEDYDENKAS FIRST, WHERE HE MET THREE STACHES, STANISLAW KIRPAW, BOGDEN COCHEFSKI, AND DOONA MALCHEK. WELL, J.C. MAKES THE MISTAKE OF BRINGING THE BROTHERS DRUNKASLAV TO A CLUB GIBBONS PARTY. EVERYTHING WAS COOL TILL THE POLISH LOVERS BEGIN TO PAW SOME OF THE TALENT AT THE PARTY AND SAYING " I TINK I VANT TO BANG U ON THE SOFA". WELL, JOHNNY CAKES BREAKS A BOTTLE OF MOOSEHEAD OVER HIS HEAD, KEVIN THROWS THE OTHER OFF THE BALCONY, T-BONE IS STRANGLING ONE GUY AND EATING A GYRO AT THE SAME TIME. I TELL U IT WAS MADDNESS. SOMEBODY CALLS 911, CALLS GO CITYWIDE. S.O.S. REFUSES , TRU DECLINES, THE MOUNTED COPPERS WERE GETTING THEIR HORSES NOSE PATTED ON RUSH STREET. THE BOAT COPPERS WERE TAKING BEER FROM KIDS ON HOLLYWOOD BEACH. SWAT RESPONDED, LOOKED AT THE SITUATION AND SAID, "EVEN WERE NOT CRAZY ENUFF TO MESS WITH THE CLUB GIBBONS CREW. BY THE TIME IT WAS OVER, THE BOSSES PUT THEIR NOGGINS TOGETHER AND SAID THIS CAN NEVER OCCUR AGAIN AND J.C. WAS REMOVED FROM 025 AND PUT INTO A SPECIALIZED UNIT. THATS THE TRUTH BECAUSE I WAS THERE.

8/31/2007 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm CPD Detective,Burns Security Officer. How do you tell the difference between them? or is there a difference?

8/31/2007 05:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good luck to the P.O.'s in 016 with your new Sgt (F.V.) Never been the police and never will be. This dept. is incredible. She doesnt get her sgt test results until a month after everyone else and low and behold shes in the first class. Go figure. Then lets take care of her some more and put her in 016.

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Wow. You sound bitter. Is there more to this? But you must be the "real Police"? Hidding behind a blog.

8/31/2007 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all law abiding citizens should be allowed to carry concealed
charge $500. for a background check and a $250.00 a year permit fee. everyone will be safer
any narcotic , battery , assault
convictions and you can't get permit.

8/31/2007 05:29:00 PM  
Blogger blue said...

let's go beyond the 2nd amendment issue
t, how about the culture of pussies that exists these days?
i was raised in the south, my family is virginia-born and bred and i can say that my brothers,cousins and friends would not have jumped out of windows leaving a man in his 70s to be gunned down from behind. good 'ol southern boys just would not let that happen. you cowards have to live the rest of your lives knowing you ran and let that man die holding a door shut on his own.

8/31/2007 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sitting at my local HOOTERS enjoying a cocktail at the bar when i see in that bullshit liberal newspaper, the s/t, that harrisons mother was given a FULL PAGE to spout her anti-police rhetoric. Why does this paper give her a full page for her to talk shit about the police?? Anyone who still buys that piece of shit paper deserves a kick in the nuts!! When will they have the TRUE POLICE account of what happened that night when this future astrophysicist was killed for pointing a pistol at a Police Officer? These ass-wipes are determined to make this piece of shit a saint!!

8/31/2007 07:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Retired in jo-daviess said...

to 11:32am

Noble words comin from Pigsty Arkansas,the state that gave us clinton.
I do agree that chicago/cook is a shithole and that every Copper should to their time,take their pension and leave.
And the whore MACHINE pulled a good one by getting blago in to be a puppet state leader.
But Illinois is still a place worth saving;the northwest corner here is still America, everyones' patriotic,owns a gun. No one here cares about future gun/smoking laws
and nobody's givin up their stuff.
Living here, I luv being an American again.
Good luck watching those Hee-Haw reruns and can u "squeal like pig?"

8/31/2007 09:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to post 8-31 @246..you take this job way too seriously..i have never switched over zones to see what another district has and could care less what goes on some place else. quit trying to be a hero for the d.c award stroke

8/31/2007 09:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Strange, Mrs. Harrison never even mentioned Baby Daddy. Let's face it, she has noooooooooo idea who Baby Daddy is.

9/01/2007 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8/31/2007 05:12:00 PM

Who do ya think you are? Mickey fuckin Spillane?

9/01/2007 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Keesing Bandit says---


Hey--Mr. born-in-the-south blue---

Isn't Virginia in the south?

Now, kees me you fool!!!

9/01/2007 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retired Sgt. in Arkansas said...


Hi Harry....

9/01/2007 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous ML said...

Good luck to the P.O.'s in 016 with your new Sgt (F.V.) Never been the police and never will be. This dept. is incredible. She doesnt get her sgt test results until a month after everyone else and low and behold shes in the first class. Go figure. Then lets take care of her some more and put her in 016.

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Wow. You sound bitter. Is there more to this? But you must be the "real Police"? Hidding behind a blog.

8/31/2007 05:18:00 PM


Take a poll. She is useless. You must be one of her girlfiends...

9/01/2007 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous DB said...

Good luck to the P.O.'s in 016 with your new Sgt (F.V.) Never been the police and never will be. This dept. is incredible. She doesnt get her sgt test results until a month after everyone else and low and behold shes in the first class. Go figure. Then lets take care of her some more and put her in 016.

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Wow. You sound bitter. Is there more to this? But you must be the "real Police"? Hidding behind a blog.

8/31/2007 05:18:00 PM


Is this play daddy, chompers??

9/01/2007 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger rosco said...

Just say No to Guns.

9/01/2007 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to post 8-31 @246..you take this job way too seriously..i have never switched over zones to see what another district has and could care less what goes on some place else. quit trying to be a hero for the d.c award stroke

8/31/2007 09:55:00 PM

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You're a tool. It's good to know what zone is on what dial. It comes in handy. Fool...

9/01/2007 03:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8/31/2007 05:12:00 PM

"Who do ya think you are? Mickey fuckin Spillane?"

9/01/2007 01:44:00 AM

Hey, lighten up on 05:12:00 PM,
I thoroughly enjoyed his story along with his writing style. I'd even buy the book to hear what happens next!

"T-BONE IS STRANGLING ONE GUY AND EATING A GYRO AT THE SAME TIME."

Bwahahaa! I love this story!

9/01/2007 03:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Note to 03:24:00
If you look closely at all of you checks they're always not quite right. They always make a mistake in the 1-23 cent range. And of course its always in the City's favor. Your OT check is the same. I've called finance and they say it's because our decuctions vary, but that ain't it. Your right, a nickle here, a dime there. What's the fiff? Right? But how come its always in the City's favor and not ours? Think about it.

8/31/2007 09:19:00 AM

Maybe its like that movie OFFICE SPACE where they have a program that takes just a few cents from each transaction and puts it in an account for the guys who set it up, in this case....like, idk..maybe.....DALEY....or....BURKE!! ANY OF THE ASSHOLES THAT STEAL OUR MONEY RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FACES WHY NOT BEHIND OUR BACKS AS WELL. I still cant figure out how they compute the retro checks, i think you have to be a math wizard to figure that one out.....OR JUST KNOW THAT THEY FUCKED YOU ON THAT ONE TOO!!!!!ENTITLEMENT PRICKS!!

9/01/2007 06:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can top the story of the female police with her gun exposed at 63 and Austin. While I was on furlough, I would go into Panera every morning. And every morning, a female CCSP officer would enter in full uniform, no jacket or covering of any kind, carrying her two hear old on her hip...her gun hip. And nut job in there with a grudge against the police, or a stick up guy walks in, and she's got her child resting on her gun. What's she going to do then? Of course, actually having to take police action in her career would never ocurr to her in the first place.

8/31/2007 04:19:00 PM

Hey, don't be so quick to judge! I often carry a compact .45 in the waistband or pocket of my offside in addition to my proscribed weapon. Maybe she is purposely giving the false impression of being unable to get to her gun quickly for the element of suprise.
Maybe YOU only own one gun, but there's plenty of us enthusiasts who have a plethora.

9/03/2007 02:25:00 AM  

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