"Elite" Ain't That Elite Anymore
At the District level, your Tactical and Gang teams are supposed to be your "elite" guys and gals. The workers, the people who go out every day and make exceptional arrests, get the felons and do some long term stuff that might make some headlines. In reality, Tact and Gangs have turned into number generators - contact cards, pod missions, SUB arrests, "wolfpack" missions, etc.
For many years, Special Operations was touted as the "elite" of the Department. SOS was sent places to increase visible manpower on the streets. They didn't have to answer radio calls. They were given quite a bit of leeway as far as being able to go after guns or dope or just run up the head counts in hot districts. We all see how well that worked out in the long run. Now, SOS is just fighting to stay afloat.
Now, we have the Targeted Response Unit - the new "elite." TRU was created do one thing - generate numbers, no matter what the number was supposed to be. Contact Cards? Parkers? Impounds? Movers? DOC missions? All within TRU's charter.
So to be "elite," you barely have to do anything that's considered police work anymore. You just have to do numbers that the bosses can tout at "accountability" meetings although no one is actually ever held accountable and promoted/demoted based on crime rising or falling.
Kind of amazing how much its changed.
For many years, Special Operations was touted as the "elite" of the Department. SOS was sent places to increase visible manpower on the streets. They didn't have to answer radio calls. They were given quite a bit of leeway as far as being able to go after guns or dope or just run up the head counts in hot districts. We all see how well that worked out in the long run. Now, SOS is just fighting to stay afloat.
Now, we have the Targeted Response Unit - the new "elite." TRU was created do one thing - generate numbers, no matter what the number was supposed to be. Contact Cards? Parkers? Impounds? Movers? DOC missions? All within TRU's charter.
So to be "elite," you barely have to do anything that's considered police work anymore. You just have to do numbers that the bosses can tout at "accountability" meetings although no one is actually ever held accountable and promoted/demoted based on crime rising or falling.
Kind of amazing how much its changed.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
150 Comments:
Tact/Gangs/SOS/TRU is all about getting whatever numbers they want for the day. You had better produce what the bosses want, period. The price you pay for not answering jobs.
I worked Tact and SOS and am happy to be back in a beat car where there is no more BS. A lot less stress.
Beside cutting SOS/TRU manpower in half, why don't we cut HQ staff in half, and empty the CAPS and Senior Citizens offices in the districts. Don't forget the five or six girls working the desk and Commander's office doing nothing more than reading magazines.
That frees up thousands of PO's to help the districts who cannot even man beat cars.
There is nothing "elite" in CPD. Beside MAYBE SWAT. There are no Navy SEAL's on this dept!
I've been working on a gang team on the South Side for almost five years and in that five years alot has changed. Sgts. used to want quality arrests, thats all they cared about. Now its all about the numbers- contact cards, gang dispersals and bullshit pimpy arrests. Welcome to the world of accountability!!!
Its really too bad that the higher ups in this dept stress immediate gratification when it comes to numbers. Heads per day and contact cards per period etc. Why not have accountability every six months or so, and take into account index crimes rather than contact cards? Instead of letting plainclothes cops work on long term stuff, locking up future shooters, they are left running around getting contact cards so the Lt or commander doesn't get reamed at some stupid meeting. Wouldn't it make more sense to look at the long term impact police activity has on a particular beat or problem area? In essence, tell the lt "hey, there were a lot of shootings in 212's beat in the last few months"...the lt delegates to the sgts, the sgt sends his troops out and they spend a few months hitting em hard. Develop info, get some pistols, do some reversals, really disrupt for a while. Instead, we have a culture of micromanaging. each month, hey, we need more cards. what happened to the disorderly arrests? jeez, impounds are down. What a joke. Let the lt's manage the sgts, let the sgts manage the po's. there is no reason that a higher up should care how many contact cards were written in the month of june by a tact team. grrr.
The elite boob squad pick up firecrakers. that be making then elite.
THIS IS ALL CLINE'S SMOKE AND MIRRORS, NUMBERS AND STATISTICS TO WHOO THE MEDIA WITH.
CLINE COPIED THE NYPD TO THE LETTER WITH THE SATURATION AREAS,DOC,TRU,NUMBERS THAT MEAN NOTHING,ALLEGED ACCOUNTABILITY AND EVEN RENAMING DIVISIONS AND CALLING THEM BUREAUS.
THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS TO GET BACK TO THE BASICS OF POLICING.
INCREASE MANPOWER BY HIRING ADDITIONAL COPPERS
MAN THE BEAT CARS,RAPIDS,WAGON,TRAFFIC CARS,PARK CARS AND FOOT POSTS.
KEEP THE TACTICAL AND GANG TEAMS IN THE DISTRICTS AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS BY RACKING UP HEADS.
REVAMP THE FTO PROGRAM
PROMOTE QUALIFIED PERSONNEL
STOP ALL THE DOC MADNESS
STOP ALL THE BULLSHIT NUMBERS GENERATED FOR EVERYTHING BUT MEANING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
WHEN THE PATROL "DIVISION" IS REMANNED AND REBUILT WE CAN WORRY ABOUT THE UNITS.
THE HEART OF ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY IS THE PATROL OFFICER. THE PATROL OFFICER IS THE INDIVIDUAL MOST VISIBLE TO SOCIETY,THE ONE THEY SEE AND INTERACT WITH.
Good police work is a thing of the past. Mere presence can deter crime, but it is unable to be quantified. you can count contact cards, parkers and segway event numbers. NOW THATS WHATS IMPORTANT!
Anonymous said...
There is nothing "elite" in CPD. Beside MAYBE SWAT. There are no Navy SEAL's on this dept!
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Yes there is, i know a REAL x-seal, he works a beat car on the south side and doesnt care about all this "drama" in the "ELITE" units, or brag that hes swat,a seal, or a trained NINJA KILLER! This job has gone to shit, i cant wait to leave this SHCITTY!!
The really sad thing about the TRU is that these kids really believe they are "elite". They believe this because they are told this by the upper echelon and their direct line supervisors.
They are very well meaning with their hearts in the right place but have never really learned to police. Policing in Chicago has changed night and day and unfortunately there are no longer any good FTOs on the job to teach the art.
I see the blind leading the blind around now. Years ago,even a mediocre copper would put these kids to shame in knowledge,paperwork,testifying,street smarts,not too mention the art of the tuneup.
Being in a unit does not make you elite,being a good copper does.
It's all about the image now.
The problem with the police department today is we have so many supervisors who just should not be supervisors. We have homicide sergeants who were never homicide detectives, or even detectives for that matter. They have no clue as to what they are doing or what issues will arise two years later when the case finally goes to trial. Yet here they are telling new detectives what to do (usually the wrong thing) and they themselves do not know what to do. And many patrol sergeants are no better. I can't tell you how many times my partner and I have had to tell an officer involved in a shooting not to listen to the moron in the white shirt. The supervisors on this job are a total disgrace. Most of them are nothing but political hacks who should be working in a Walmart somewhere, not supervising police officers.
It has come to the point where I just walk away from them in mid-sentence.
Our union also is a disgrace. How can they allow the city, time and time again, to take months and months to grade a promotion test??? The proverbial adage You Reap What You Sow should be the new motto for the Chicago Police Department. I have met numerous patrolmen who should have been supervisors on this job, but there still running around in blue shirts listening to the newest boss's kid who just made sergeant.
When I first came on this job (over 22 yrs ago) I was told this organization was a para-military organizing. Unfortunately the military makes you take an aptitude test before they promote you. These tests the city administers are so subjective there truly is no way to determine anyone's legitimate score. We should vote out the FOP and revamp the promotional process on this job. Until that time comes you can expect nothing but clowns and clout babys wearing a white shirt...
i would be embarrassed to be on tact/gangs now
"welcome to the world of accountabillity".
the problem is not accountabillity.
the problem is who we are accountable to and what their idea of effective police work is.
all this elite talk is media generated nonsense!
beat cars get swamped with radio calls and that limits their time for proactive police work. teams like tac/gang, sat, tru, sos, etc...are freed from the radio and given directed missions and have the numbers to operate at squad strength or better. this concept, although now bloated and somewhat bastardized, is sound and proven.
I want an elite spot working in an office 0900-1500Hrs. with weekends and holidays off. This elite spot will pad my comp. time up and let me read SCC all day while I talk on the phone and drink coffee. On Fridays i can wear soft clothes and order pizza with my coworkers.
Yeah well..... if S.O.S., Tact and Gangs were so "elite" back in the day then why hasn't anything changed crime wise and quality of life wise??? Guess what people.....007 is still 007.....011 is still 011 and 015 is still 015. The only thing changing is that the "good" districts are now becoming tainted from all the police deployed to the same fucking districts that don't ever change!
contact cards, pod missions, SUB arrests, "wolfpack" missions, etc.
Somebody is watching too many military flicks with these ridiculous names. Lets go wolfpacking team,LMAO...
Please tell me this is not Mark Donahue's doing.
http://www.constablequinn.com/HALL%20of%20SHAME.htm
SCC,
The only people I've heard, in my 14 years on the job, refer to any group as "elite" are the media.
How much stock do YOU put in what some street whore says?....
That's all media and politicians/poverty pimps, aka Rev's ARE...
Paid hoes.
Stop drinkin' they Kool Aid.
-No Hair Gel
How about "MERIT" LT's and Sgt's especially in 005 that have no MANAGEMENT SKILLS except micro mgt. "It's all about the numbers guys." "We Don't want to fall below the other districts, and don't worry about intellegence gathering, go get that drinker or 1 bagger it's a Cb#." Don't grab that named offender it's not in the DOC. Re-Active policing does not work. A good example is in the 005th dist poor mgt. Again, that's
"merit" for ya!
Any word about the Superintendent's search?
The only thing that TRY is elite at is the amount of time they spend at each others house having bbq'a while working and that amount of time they each team give it's memebers daily on "ducks"
Sorry TRU
Don't forget the five or six girls working the desk.
8/30/2007 12:09:00 AM
Not sure where you work but that seems extreme. Like I said before, you can work the desk anytime you'd like as far as I'm concerned.
I'll take working a beat car anytime.
BTW,is everyone's POD cameras acting up? Seems like the whole system is about to crash.
What about Saturation Units? Lets not forget about them either.
You also got the gang and gun teams.
What do you expect- Kline was always a numbers guy.
I work tac on the south side. We were told specifically in a face to face general meeting with our commander and lt. that it is about quantity not quality now. I hope this changes because being the numbers police sucks. There have already been some very good p.o.s leave because of this. Arresting drinkers is not what I had in mind when I took this job.
WTF is a "WOLFPACK" mission? Sounds really COOL! How do I get involved???
"I've been working on a gang team on the South Side for almost five years and in that five years alot has changed. Sgts. used to want quality arrests, thats all they cared about. Now its all about the numbers- contact cards, gang dispersals and bullshit pimpy arrests. Welcome to the world of accountability!!!
8/30/2007 12:16:00 AM"
Accountability that's your Rationale??
Noticed you're still on that team PO Sandbag, so you'll continue to perpetuate this type of non-sense "becuz I gottas keep my spot".
Therein lies the problem, Spineless individuals such as yourself who will do their bidding happily& willingly.
To even think you have the unmitigated gall to even refer to yourself, You Balless Wonder! as a Police Officer makes this all the more disgusting....
The only "elite" cops are the everyday, 24/7, district street cops.
Why, because big or small we do it all.
Things fall apart when apathy wins.
From what I've seen posted here, apathy seems to be the rule, rather than the exception. And that, my friends in blue, is why things are so bad. When no one cares, we all lose. And we all know that they cannot pay us enough to care; we either want to, or we don't.
For a Police Officer now a days, the best spots is on the 2nd Watch in any Northside, Quiet Districts!
When I get there all I'm gonna do is take it easy, ride out my career, and get Phone numbers and get laid by beautiful, lonely white women!
All those "Special" Units like SOS, TRU, etc. you can shove them where the sun don't shine and the bosses who run them can kiss my ASS, with their numbers game!
When you think like this, life gets really easy and quiet and actually enjoyable! :P
0524 still bitter your on a beat car two year wonder? deal with it.
I've been on a tact team for several years now and no I don't think I'm "elite". I have definitely seen how things have changed in a short amount of time. Before you would be laughed at if you brought in nonsense arrests (drinkers, Soliciting Unlawful Bullshit, disorderly). Now it is just the number that counts to the bosses. Contact cards are the biggest joke. All you are doing is documenting a street stop that had negative results. This form of policing is not "accountability", it is the paranoia of the bosses. They just want to rattle off some numbers at some dog and pony show meeting and pat each other on the back. Everyone is paranoid about the person one rank ahead of them. Why aren't we all on the same page? Event numbers, Pod and Wolfcrap missions are not a measure of accountability but of the stupidity of this department.
Combined District Initiative - I can't figure why at the end of the day we have to get a total of the race, age, sex and if the arrestee lives in or outside of the city.
To 8/30/2007 03:53:00 AM,
Heard a strong rumor that the Mayor is having a nightly seance trying desperately to conjour up the spirits of Jack Hinchy, Tony Accardo, and Sam Destefano. He figures communication with Hanhardt, Marcello, or Lombardo might be too risky about now. Either way, he'll pick someone the outfit can work with, or work around. It's been that way since his father took office-with the exception of Tim O'Conner.
Pissers and Drinkers
You want to see elite police work? See the midnights in 013. Ordinary policeman making extradinary felony arrests-consistently. Makes me think the old times never went away. And I'm sure there are guys like these buried in beat cars in every district.
TRU to have training w/auto weapons getting SORT cars in very near future
8/30/2007 12:16:00 AM"
Accountability that's your Rationale??
Noticed you're still on that team PO Sandbag, so you'll continue to perpetuate this type of non-sense "becuz I gottas keep my spot".
Therein lies the problem, Spineless individuals such as yourself who will do their bidding happily& willingly.
To even think you have the unmitigated gall to even refer to yourself, You Balless Wonder! as a Police Officer makes this all the more disgusting....
8/30/2007 07:00:00 AM
Did I say I go out and sandbag people? No I did't! I go out and still try to make quality arrests. but if quality isn't there you sometimes have to take in that 1 bagger. Maybe sandbagging is the only way you can get a head but I certainly don't need to.
The "Accountability" I was referring to was in regards to tact/gang sgts. and lts. They constantly worried about "numbers" because that is all they hear about from the D/C, area deputy chief, the DOC etc. And shit rolls down hill!!!! I was also referring to how things had changed in a short amount of time- asswipe!
The second part of your comment proves what a complete F-ing idiot you are, someone makes a comment about the bullshit this dept. cares about, i.e. contact cards, gang dispersals and bullshit arrests, and you jump to half-assed conclusions calling someone a sandbagger. Get a clue, once you get off of probation and get a little time on this job maybe you'll understand what i am talking about. Until then, go back to the hole and fist yourself!
1969 is the classic example. A true B.S. number man in 023 and worse in 019. Couldn't find a real criminal ever in his career. Only cares about CTTL and UDR's. Over his career as Sgt. in 019, his team holds the record for CTTL at Lathrop. Has to be thousands. He was a bullsh*t number guy before it came popular or required. Goof who is scared over his own skinny shadow. Go put some more black dye in your hair Squiggy!
My soon to be ex-wife thought i was elite...till she caught me with.....well my mom still thinks I'm elite
to 0700, you are either: a wanna be tac, one of those kids that watched WAY too much cop shows,an idiot that listened to all the stories from your old man about the good old days or just a moron who thinks that what you do actually makes a difference.
true, feel good about what you are doing. if you dont like the way tac is now...leave it.
but dont dismiss another officer from venting about what he HAS to do in order to stay on a team that he likes to work, for whatever reason.
if you are on a team and only go in with "quality" arrests to make yourself feel like a better police officer or you feel that you are above the "team" requirements, at the end of the week or period when the sgt or lt say numbers are down, the other team members have to do what they have to do (d/c,reckless,dopw etc) in order to not only keep their spot, but their sgt and yes, you too.
so every once in a while, hop off that white horse and walk with the regular troops once in while
Any word about the Superintendent's search?
YEAH IT'LL BE AN ASSHOLE WHO'LL KISS THE ASS OF EVERYONE WHO IS NOT A CPD PATROLMAN.....BUT THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON THE NAME
We have homicide sergeants who were never homicide detectives, or even detectives for that matter. They have no clue as to what they are doing or what issues will arise two years later when the case finally goes to trial. Yet here they are telling new detectives what to do (usually the wrong thing) and they themselves do not know what to do. And many patrol sergeants are no better. -----------------------------------------maybe true, but you forgot about the morons they are promoting to detective now, who never worked/arrested a 'quality case" and followed it through to the end (court etc). I see a lot of detectives who like to walk around with their clipboards on scene doing nothing useful, talking good witnesses out of moving forward with the case, and in a big hurry to duck out........very few good dicks left...I also saw an fto who did not know that gambling goes on a vice..gave his recruit a gocr.........and what about the "quality " personnel (po's and supervisors) at the JISC Center.....complete retards....god help us!
ACCOUNTA-HILLBILLITY: I saw one of the inspectors in the parking lot of HQ...I know him personally and I know he is a wife-beater...FAMILY....he asked me what I was doing at HQ...I told him to fuck himself...and he departed...half the battle on this job are the assholes suppossedly on your side.....
Sorry to hear that. I would of told the comm and or lt when I came on it use to be QUALITY bosses not QUANITY. How the times have changed. You get what you sew.
There's roughly 8-14 xseals and many x- green berets. 2ndbatt 20th Special Forces group is based at calumet armorey. There out there believe me, but unlike a lot of blow holes on this department, they won't talk about it.
All these new guys come up with the same old song....cut the #'s in the office and bring back the old patrol in the alleys mentality.....it aint gonna happen capin....way too much political power on the beat car...I observed an asshole uniformed officer helping a precinct captain moving her flower baskets around...this in a district that has the most day-time burglaries in the city!!!!
"Policing in Chicago has changed night and day and unfortunately there are no longer any good FTOs on the job to teach the art."
8/30/2007 01:08:00 AM
The old way is w/o a doubt a more effective way to police, but it would be foolish to teach new po's those ways now. Back then you didn't have a media that got off on burning hard working police. You had bosses that would go out on the line for you, and the bangers realized when they were wrong because they didn't have media/revs telling them they are victims. Plus if the law abiding citizens don't even appreciate you, who are you risking your neck for? (unless you are working in a select few areas: appreciation from the people would be way more gratifying then appreciation from bosses, and I would be way more willing to work hard for them)
If I'm way off (and yes I only have two years on) then by all means teach us some of the tricks of the "old" ways of doing things that won't get us locked up or fired (you guys didn't have to worry about that.) Just saying the new kids don't know how to work and not doing anything about it doesn't seem very helpful. Maybe the problem isn't with the new kids. Two generations ago they taught you guys the job, and you guys are failing to teach us. It wasn't just FTO's that taught you the job, so it shouldn't just have to be them now.
So, you can either start realizing that the burden to teach new guys lies within every veteren officer, or you can go back to polishing your 1982 football trophy.
-015
Years ago I had a problem with next door neighbors, who were sons of divorced police officers and who thought their shit didn't stink.....I put a gun barrel in one asshole's mouth, and I called a Ten-one because there were eight of THEM...ONE, ONE MAN PATROL CAR SHOWED UP IN THE 009 DISTRICT...he transported my arrestee...IF YOU EVER TAKE POLICE ACTION OFF-DUTY BEWARE!!!!! BOSSES WILL NOT BACK U UP BUT MIGHT TRY TO ARREST U !!!!
I agree 100% with SCC! Years ago we had tact men and the gang units that were the real police! We made quality arrests and yes we had benefits like early outs, and slips held! Today we have a different breed the college educated generation who want everything handed to them NOW! We also have many more cameras,cell phones etc that help the idiots on the corners send pics to the press and the assholes at iad! JUST PLEASE REMEMBER THE NEW CHICK DALEY PUT IN CHARGE OF OPS WANTS TO MAKE A NAME FOR HERSELF AND WILL LITERALLY HELP TO FIRE COPPERS FOR ANY INFRACTIONS THAT SHE CAN! THIS IS DALEYS SHIT CITY AND HE WILL DO EVERYTHING HE CAN TO DESTROY THIS DEPT, HELL EVEN ALL THE D-3+ GUYS ON HIS DEATIL WOULD LEAVE HIM AND HIS CRAZY WIFE EXCEPT FOR THE MONEY, THAT TELLS YOU WHAT AN ASS HE IS! IF YOU WORK HARD YOU WILL HAVE A DATE WITH OPS-IAD-SA-AND FINALLY WITH THE FBI AND U.S ATTORNEY! HERE IS A QUESTION NOW THAT THE FEDS HAVE TAKEN OVER THE SOS SCANDAL WITHH THE 11 THAT TESTIFIED TO THE STATE GRAND JURY UNDER IMMUNITY BE GRANTED IMMUNITY UNDER FEDERAL STATURE? OR ARE THEY NOW FUCKED ALSO?
just give up your desk spot bitch,and get in a beat car if its easier then working the desk.thats if your fat ass could fit in the car after sitting at the desk eating pizza everyday.why is it the desk has to call in a beat car to make an arrest.scared little bitchssssssssssssss
12:09am
MAN Dont be jealous!
We need something to look at after dealin w/the street trash all night
Desk bunnies
tac/gang, sat, tru, sos, etc...are freed from the radio
What Zone are you on??? Domestics, BS disturbances, etc, are always given to Tac Teams...
QUIT ALL YOUR BITCHIN ABOUT THE DEPT
IT WILL NEVER CHANGE BACK TO "WHAT IT ONCE WAS"
THOSE DAYS ARE GONE!
DEAL WITH IT, SHUT UP OR LEAVE THE JOB PAL
Walter Green will make SOS elite again. He has come to put an end to the rumors of SOS being disbanded. He is currently recruiting out of the districts and has goals of making SOS the most coveted unit in CPD. You shall see the truth...
never understood why you need to be in plain clothes to sneek up on a drinker or pisser.
how about all them jokers Cline put in narcotics,crooked ass.
TACT/GANG ELITE BEST OF THE DISTRICT ??? THAT HASN'T BEEN TRUE FOR OVER 10 YEARS.
Here is my opinion about the state of things. This whole mess is related to a broken promotional system. Guys get promoted that are not qualified, and they know in their hearts that they have no idea what they are doing. But they get promoted again. Now, however, they are a Lt. The Lt., remembering how messed up he was as a sgt, does not trust any sgts because he figures they are all just as screwed up as he was. So he micromanages so that he doesn't look bad. Eventually, this Lt. keeps getting promoted, and he promotes other screw ups, so you end up with a ton of screwed up bosses who were promoted by screwed up bosses, who constantly have to micro manage beacause they are scared to death that their underlings will screw up just like they did....micromanaging is a last ditch effort to 1. cover their butts and 2. validate their own position. Well, gotta go iron my blue collar. Stay safe.
Can you say integrity. honesty is a DNA insofar as this department is concerned. I myself take it home with me each and every day, Fuck this criminal Department.
there are retards in every unit/watch/office/team whatever...at this point who really cares?10000 cops 10000 ways to skin a cat.do the job to the point you are ok with your actions ,thats it. if this job defines you then yikes! like some smart guys said in the academy..its just a job get friends that arent p.o's etc. the only morons getting stressed and pissed is you and it just isnt worth it.anyone who does the job and overextends themselves and then gets jammed...sure we will have a benefit for you..call you a great guy...then get 501'ed on the way home...put this crap in perspective,we are but one tiny part to a gigantic issue.
Its spreading into the D unit too. Area 2 has a hack nrthside commander who works 1000-1500 (has to beat traffic).A political moron Admin Sgt. for the commander even though no such spot is budgeted some idiot sgts never have been dicks Korn, and now that there is a power vacum the commander has moved around dets to adjust the racial balance, put brand new dicks on the agg batt team and color balance that as well. The skill of a det does not matter what does is skin color. What matters in area two is not clearing crimes but meeting certain commander imposed racial quotas. So yes your kids may be killed you may be robbed and your house broken into but dont expect a det. who can clear the case expect one that meets the commanders color test
Whatever,THis DEPT is going to shame..No bones anymore and with 9.000 police on the job,they are short in the dist..Now what.Crime is up and the job sucks.Hope to leave soon and thier will be 8,999 police left.
Why the hell does anyone want to be on tact, TRU, gang, etc. anymore?
I'm really surprised that noone seems to see the direct corelation between the "numbers game" and the rank of Capt. being brought back.
All this misery can be traced back to that moment in history.
The numbers game used to be just movers parkers and curfews. A decent Watch Commander (Lt.) would come to role call and say, "We're down 20 movers." He or she probably took good care of his/her watch and the numbers poured in.
Since the rank of Capt. was reinstated, we now have movers, parkers, curfews, ANOVS, bus checks, contact cards, park checks, SOP missions, Wolfpack missions, seat belt missions, burglary missions, theft from auto missions, gang suppresion missions, etc.
All this while still answering calls on the radio.
Complete and total bullshit. All of it.
So, to you new white shirts straight out of the academy: Welcome to "real police work".
I know you're all gonna come to this site on a daily basis to see the first time your name is mentioned (hopefully in a positive way, but don't count on it)
You are now the lap dog for your new Capt.
Get used to it.
Sit. Stay. Get me numbers. Gooooood dog.
I personally vow that when I become Supt. (won't happen) I will do away with the rank of Capt. and send all the clout cry babies back to the lowly rank of Lt.
Then I will have enjoyed the shortest term as Supt. in the history of this dept.
FUCK ALL YA ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you sir and I agree. I am a Tact Lt. and it's hard to let your guys get quality over quantity when the only thing they talk about at DOC meetings is missions, and CC cards and bullshit. I've got well over 20 yrs on the job - spent almost all of it in Tact and this the about the worst that I've seen. It's not the working cops out there; they would do their jobs if the ivory tower people would just let them.
SCC - Did you turn over the controls to a PPO? I have been on the job for 11 years and tact/gangs has always been numbers first. A lt. posted a sign about 6 years ago - "Quantity not Quality". It is was it is. If you do not like it, then quick the job.
Anonymous said...
WTF is a "WOLFPACK" mission? Sounds really COOL! How do I get involved???
8/30/2007 06:43:00 AM
In some districts is means a tact/gang team all go to the same restaurant to eat their 2 hour lunch.
Anonymous said...
WTF is a "WOLFPACK" mission? Sounds really COOL! How do I get involved???
8/30/2007 06:43:00 AM
Wolfpack missions, although the name may sound a bit silly are a good safe way to hit problem blocks.
Basically all 3 or 4 cars will ride together to a block where there are 10 to 20 people hanging out and "working".
Instead of one 2 man car trying to initiate a street stop on 20 people, and still be able to maintain control of the scene, and attempt to find the stashed guns and narcotics, we have 8 to 10 officers which helps even the odds a bit.
Essentially Wolfpack missions can be a good tool, if used in the way they were intended, with the above in mind, silly name or not.
revamp the promotional process on this job. Until that time comes you can expect nothing but clowns and clout babys wearing a white shirt...
8/30/2007 01:13:00 AM
I also came on this job 25 years ago and I agree with you officer. Truth be told! this is it
all this elite talk is media generated nonsense!
Wrong! its department generated nonsense to divide us.
"I see the blind leading the blind around now. Years ago,even a mediocre copper would put these kids to shame in knowledge,paperwork,testifying,street smarts,not too mention the art of the tuneup.
8/30/2007 01:08:00 AM"
Amen Brother, Go shout it Loud atop Ole' Iron Mike in the 35th St. Lot!!
eah well..... if S.O.S., Tact and Gangs were so "elite" back in the day then why hasn't anything changed crime wise and quality of life wise??? Guess what people.....007 is still 007.....011 is still 011 and 015 is still 015.
Oh no little man When I was in 15 and 11 we had a scary day every day.You will have a scary day maybe once every three Months. It is what it is. Empty land
"The multi-agency operation targeted foreign national gang members and gang associates in the northern and northwest suburbs, including Waukegan, Mundelein and Round Lake, the release said. All of those arrested this week are Mexican men targeted for their affiliations with violent street gangs such as the Latin Kings, Sureño-13s and Latin Lovers, among others. "
These are the same upstanding individuals your Mayor grants Sanctuary &welcomes w/Open Arms. Richie The Stone Pimp Hypocrite!!
The only people I've heard, in my 14 years on the job, refer to any group as "elite" are the media.
Are you that god dame soft? The Department tells the news media that SOS is an Elite unit. get a clue
I keep my numbers up so I don't get dumped to tact or gangs!
The only "elite" cops are the everyday, 24/7, district street cops.
Why, because big or small we do it all.
You got that right brother[<:}
Anonymous said...
The problem with the police department today is we have so many supervisors who just should not be supervisors.
8/30/2007 01:13:00 AM
Thank God we have you,what would we do without you?
...how 'tru'e.......how sad.........
Elite! What a Joke. All this goofs are no seniority babies who don't want to work midnites. If they are the "ELITE" we are in serious trouble. Coming from an old tac guy when tac was the real deal!
anyone see today's front page of the suntimes (30aug)?? im surprised no one else has filed a lawsuit when the ELITE tact teams do sweeps or missions. sandbagging galore -all for the numbers for some political hack merit boss who will throw u under a bus if it will further he/her career. stop working people we dont even have a contract
stress in tact? haha, yeah a few contact cards and a head. just do what most gang and tact guys do, get the reckless conduct on gang banger. There is your head then go home in 6 hrs like the rest of them. Yeah sounds tough!
if tru shows up at your job,dupe it to them.they are useless 2 year wanna be cowboys who don't know shit!they will get you into trouble and then leave in a hurry.they mutha fuck little ole ladies,tear up cars,slap dude laugh and then take off,as you get stuck holding their bag of shit.
I'm a old timer tac guy, The place to be if not on a beat? Area 1 midnight gang team...great guys see them all the time they rack up heads and they get great pinches pretty much every night. I was unfortunately at a recent DOC meeting TRU's numbers were read out i think it was an assload of contacts and movers, and like 2 guns in a 3 week period i was falling asleep during it so i might be off a tad, but regardless thats pretty sad for an elite unit!. The area 1 mid gang guys had like 2 burglaries, 12 guns, 2 Agg Batt: handgun offenders and a homicide offender in the same time period..and they do this kinda work all the time. The good thing is they dont act like the TRU tools who think they are elite, the Area 1 fellas just do the work and never hesitate to stop and help you out if you need it or not. Just my point of view I'm sure some jealous coppers will rip into them though. Area 1 Sat guys are a bunch of good coppers as well.
LONG TERM ARREST WHAT IS THAT HOLDING OFF DOING A HOME INVASION FOR A WEEK. PLEASE OFFICER TODAY HAVE FEW RESOURCES ON THE STREET.
THE DAYS OF GIVING A GUY A BREAK BECAUSE HE GIVES YOU SOLID INFO WERE OVER ABOUT 6 YEARS AGO.
LET ME GIVE YOU AND EXAMPLE A CERTAIN OFFICER IS KILLED IN 11.
THE DEPARTMENT DECLARES THAT ALL THE DRUG SPOTS WILL BE SHUT DOWN NEAR THE CRIME UNTIL THE OFFENDER IS FOUND. FLASH BACK A FEW WEEKS TO MOZART AND ROOSEVELT. THE SAME GANG HAS ONE OF THEIR MEMBER SHOT IN THE BACK AND KILLED OFFICER ARE BRICKED AT THE SCENE.
PASS BY FRANCISCO AND ROOSEVELT TODAY OPEN AIR DRUG MARKET.
IM NOT IMPRESSED WITH ANY TYPE INVESTIGATION DONE BY MY BROTHERS IN BLUE. LAZY SHOULD BE WRITTEN ON THE SIDE OF THE CARS.
THE BANGER KNOW THIS BUT WE CONTINUE TO SEEK CONTACT CARDS COME ON.
LAZY AND SAD GOOD JOB AREA 4 AND THE SO CALLED RANGERS IN 011.
Hey Dana,
Time to disband the Saturation Teams and Gun Teams.
Cut TRU/SOS manpower by half.
Dump half of the desk jobs (headquarters, caps, abandonded buldings, senior liasons, etc).
Us lowly beat officers do not have enough PO's to man the cars.
Time to stop the insanity.
Having been a detective (promoted after 17 years on the street) for the last four years I can tell you that there are many detectives who know you guys in the beat cars are real the police. I go out of my way to make sure every patrolman I deal with is treated as an equal. I remember busting my ass making arrests for nearly 17 years on tactical teams only to have the detectives treat me like a piece of shit after found a guy they were looking for, whether for murder or burglary. Some of us detectives really appreciate what you do. And make no mistake about it-YOUR JOB IN A PATROL CAR IS THE MOST DANGEROUS JOB ON THIS DEPARTMENT. At least my partner and I have the luxury of knowing the guy we are about to arrest is wanted for murder. Those in patrol really never know who it is they are about to encounter on a traffic stop, a domestic, or a street stop. Just remember not all detectives forget where they came from. BE SAFE OUT THERE!
dont kid yourself there is nothing elite about swat.
This department needs to admit that CAPS is a huge failure, it has never worked and it never will. CAPS was a scam to get federal money, nothing more. The Booze Allen study said three men cars are the most effective, that is three P.O's working one car at the same time, it did not happen.
The Booze Allen study never said to close Area 3 at 39th and California, the department closed it because of Burge, another huge mistake, we need six areas, now we have Central Command Group, rapid response cars are power cars, or umbrella cars.
Get rid of CAPS put those P.O's on the street on Watches, get rid of the Gang Teams another waste. Put those P.O.'s on the Watches. The officers with the most arrests, both quality and quantity get to work on the Tact Team. Make it mean something.
HAAAAAAAA! I have been on a tac team for the last 4 years and I can tell you IT'S ALL NUMBERS!!! We had a week with many arrests and the commander sent a memo to us that we need to pick up on the contact cards. No one gives a fuck if you lock up 10 drinkers or 10 UUW's at the end of the week it's just a total in a box to bring to the DOC meeting. Remember to keep the contact numbers up also! SAD!!!!!!
The really sad thing about the TRU is that these kids really believe they are "elite". They believe this because they are told this by the upper echelon and their direct line supervisors.
They are very well meaning with their hearts in the right place but have never really learned to police. Policing in Chicago has changed night and day and unfortunately there are no longer any good FTOs on the job to teach the art.
I see the blind leading the blind around now. Years ago,even a mediocre copper would put these kids to shame in knowledge,paperwork,testifying,street smarts,not too mention the art of the tuneup.
Wrong, nobody in TRU thinks they are elite, that's the medias bs, they go out and do the job, period. The officers are almost all from the busiest districts in the city: 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,15,25, most have more than 3-4 yrs on, and the the bosses don't tell them they are elite, they aren't asked to do contacs cards as activity, they are asked to do them to justify the stop, it's cya on this job now, that's it, that's all. Stop all the bs already and let's start sticking together..
The problem with the police department today is we have so many supervisors who just should not be supervisors. We have homicide sergeants who were never homicide detectives, or even detectives for that matter. They have no clue as to what they are doing or what issues will arise two years later when the case finally goes to trial. Yet here they are telling new detectives what to do (usually the wrong thing) and they themselves do not know what to do. And many patrol sergeants are no better. I can't tell you how many times my partner and I have had to tell an officer involved in a shooting not to listen to the moron in the white shirt. The supervisors on this job are a total disgrace. Most of them are nothing but political hacks who should be working in a Walmart somewhere, not supervising police officers.
It has come to the point where I just walk away from them in mid-sentence.
Our union also is a disgrace. How can they allow the city, time and time again, to take months and months to grade a promotion test??? The proverbial adage You Reap What You Sow should be the new motto for the Chicago Police Department. I have met numerous patrolmen who should have been supervisors on this job, but there still running around in blue shirts listening to the newest boss's kid who just made sergeant.
When I first came on this job (over 22 yrs ago) I was told this organization was a para-military organizing. Unfortunately the military makes you take an aptitude test before they promote you. These tests the city administers are so subjective there truly is no way to determine anyone's legitimate score. We should vote out the FOP and revamp the promotional process on this job. Until that time comes you can expect nothing but clowns and clout babys wearing a white shirt...
Sounds like someone alittle bitter about not making rank, sorry, study harder, stop bitching already, I scored in the low 2000's and made Sgt., you can too, sacrafice aliitle and put into it wghat you want out of it...
Today, I was looking at gang cards in the CHRIS system and with a particular sh*thead, it had 8 (this is an exact amount of Tact officers) total officers on the gang card for the arrest. Thinking that it was a search warrant, I scrolled down to see it was DRINKING ON THE PUBLIC WAY arrest. I was sooooo embarrassed for them, I don’t even know these guys sleep at night. It’s happening all over the city too. Pathetic.
0524 still bitter your on a beat car two year wonder? deal with it.
8/30/2007 08:06:00 AM
are you responding to 5:24 comments?
all i said is "what about the saturation, gun and gang teams."
don't sound like I have any animosity there. Everyone always forgets those units too. I'm not bitter about shit. Fucking reject.
Time to get a life. It took me a while to figure it out, but I did... this city don't give a f..k about me so I return the favor every day. It's just a job guys and girls. No, I'm not some dog ass. I've worked my ass off most of my 12 years, but life and work is so much sweater when you realize that the CPD is just a job. People in units are not great coppers, just people that have clout (and usually terrible coppers). I dont care any more about these "elite" units... only thing I care about is promotional exams. Study hard to make more money and give family better life. Bigger pension too! Thats all, just a job... have fun with it. If you didn't have to live in the city, this would be the best job in the world.
p.s. for those complaining about gang bangers in clearing / garfield ridge .... open your eyes ... isn't getting any better ... make the move ... Mt.greenwood is looking better every year.
The City doesn't want the tact officer who inspired me to take the test and get on. TRU, tact, and now SOS are all part of the smoke and mirrors department. That has been made by the city so they can have a finger to point back with when in front of the media. Every gold star on the job has enough time on to know what kind of policing is needed to make an impact. When they came on it was here for them to learn and carry on. But they haven't and show no signs of giving a fuck about upholding any of that. Onlything important for them is their spot pension and a bullshit number's stat for the press. Its not a "Cline" thing its a Daley/City Hall thing. He breaks under the pressure of the Revs and community. Gives orders to our exempt. Who says go against the power or hold on to this exempt???? Then they fold or stand up and get bumped. This game has been around forever. Daley needs to stop catering to these revs and communtiy activist and be the police supporting man his father was. Then the "ELITE" can come back to CPD.
. . . STOP ALL THE DOC MADNESS . . .
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This whole city is turning into the DOC!!!!!
Sounds like someone alittle bitter about not making rank, sorry, study harder, stop bitching already, I scored in the low 2000's and made Sgt., you can too, sacrafice aliitle and put into it wghat you want out of it...
8/30/2007 10:09:00 PM
I wasn't bitching. I like being a detective and do not have any aspirations of being a supervisor on this job. But do us all a favor and turn on your spell checker, your bullshit degree from Lewis University did not help you with your spelling or grammar, SERGEANT!
10:09 PM
Just shut the fuck up, you Kool-Aid guzzling, "study harder" asshole. As if this job is legit...
Your ilk make me vomit.
You damn well know 1:13 PM has a legit beef against the most dysfunctional, politically corrupt big-city police department in the nation, bar none.
Anonymous said...
The only people I've heard, in my 14 years on the job, refer to any group as "elite" are the media.
Are you that god dame soft? The Department tells the news media that SOS is an Elite unit. get a clue
8/30/2007 02:28:00 PM
First of all I don't know what "dame soft" means.
Secondly, you're wrong...
The newspaper and tv started that "elite" shit forever ago. Most likely before I was born. What you don't seem to realize, Mr. Two Years on the job is, that term has gotten parroted back and forth by NITWITS forever and you are anything BUT "elite"...
Sorry, Princess.
ELITE.......back in the day I worked in 014 when it was HOT, in 015 when it was HOTTER, then in 025 in a beat car, tact team, gang team, then ended up in SOS, worked every fucked up Dist in the city where some not all beat cops would not lock up anyone. Was HBT now SWAT but you know what? I'm still just a cop............nothing more nothing less just a cop nothing ELITE about that. For the real police will always be the real police and the pussy police will still be the pussy police.........don't worry you know who you are just look in the same mirror you have been looking in all you life.........for the real police stay safe, for the pussy police look for the real police they will also keep you safe.
10:09 PM
Remove your tongue from exempt colon forthwith. Don't insult our intelligence with your delusional drivel, Sgt. Suckass.
"Study" this: ========>
"Its spreading into the D unit too. Area 2 has a hack nrthside commander who works 1000-1500 (has to beat traffic).A political moron Admin Sgt. for the commander even though no such spot is budgeted some idiot sgts never have been dicks Korn, and now that there is a power vacum the commander has moved around dets to adjust the racial balance, put brand new dicks on the agg batt team and color balance that as well. The skill of a det does not matter what does is skin color. What matters in area two is not clearing crimes but meeting certain commander imposed racial quotas. So yes your kids may be killed you may be robbed and your house broken into but dont expect a det. who can clear the case expect one that meets the commanders color test"
NO ONE COULD OF STATED THE TRUE FACTS BETTER THEN THE ABOVE. THE "D" UNIT IS GONE. THE REAL DICKS ARE GETTING THE MESSAGE AND DOING ZEROS. IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH YOUR COLOR. DOWNDOWN IS TOTALLY ABSENT OF ANY BRAINS FOR A FEW YEARS NOW. WE GOT A FOOL SITTING IN THE SUPR. OFFICE WITH HIS FEMALE HAREM.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
WTF is a "WOLFPACK" mission? Sounds really COOL! How do I get involved???
8/30/2007 06:43:00 AM
In some districts is means a tact/gang team all go to the same restaurant to eat their 2 hour lunch.
8/30/2007 02:09:00 PM
FUNNY,LOL
Work where you feel comfortable working, if you want to be a beat cop good, if you want to join tac great, tru, s.o.s. etc, what the officers fail to understand is that you are in the spot that best suits you, some my not want to answer radio calls and would rather deal with writing contact cards and making simple arrest, others prefer not doing anything, who cares do what you do best and go home safe. Forget about who's "ELITE", take care of yourself and your family.
You heard it here first!!!
As of the 11th period, unit 253 members (T.R.U.) will be issued Green Berets. The new garmet will be identical to that as utilized by the United States Army.
The fax should be coming out within the next week.
not a b team ranger said...
I keep my numbers up so I don't get dumped to tact or gangs!
8/30/2007 02:36:00 PM
Now that was funny
Anonymous said...
Here is my opinion about the state of things. This whole mess is related to a broken promotional system. Guys get promoted that are not qualified, and they know in their hearts that they have no idea what they are doing. But they get promoted again. Now, however, they are a Lt. The Lt., remembering how messed up he was as a sgt, does not trust any sgts because he figures they are all just as screwed up as he was. So he micromanages so that he doesn't look bad. Eventually, this Lt. keeps getting promoted, and he promotes other screw ups, so you end up with a ton of screwed up bosses who were promoted by screwed up bosses, who constantly have to micro manage beacause they are scared to death that their underlings will screw up just like they did....micromanaging is a last ditch effort to 1. cover their butts and 2. validate their own position. Well, gotta go iron my blue collar. Stay safe.
8/30/2007 11:03:00 AM
zzzzzzz
and what about the "quality " personnel (po's and supervisors) at the JISC Center.....complete retards....god help us!
8/30/2007 09:23:00 AM
I just read your rant..you're correct in saying God help us. lol
You want to see elite police work? See the midnights in 013. Ordinary policeman making extradinary felony arrests-consistently. Makes me think the old times never went away. And I'm sure there are guys like these buried in beat cars in every district.
8/30/2007 08:27:00 AM
Don't forget to mention working 99 on midnights in 013 without bitching
So, you can either start realizing that the burden to teach new guys lies within every veteren officer, or you can go back to polishing your 1982 football trophy.
-015
8/30/2007 09:53:00 AM
I agree, and I have over 15 years on this job. I have been in a Beat Car, a Rapid Car, an Incident Car, in a Unit, on a Tact, and now on a Gang Team. I was fortunate that I learned from a great FTO (God rest his soul) and then learned even more from the old timers on the watch.
Thing was, back then I just shut up and listened - ANYTHING an old timer could tell you was valuable - even if he was a "dog" he still had knowledge. Back then, at least to me, most of the "dogs" were dogs b/c of some kind of BS the department did to him - so his recourse was not to work. He still would have knowledge.
I make it a point to show ANY new cop the way to do things, and a way to do things that will not lend you on the front page of the Sun Times or the Tribune. What I have found, is that a lot of the newer cops DO NOT want to learn, that they do not care, and that they just want that check on the 1st and the 16th. I ask myself, how can a new cop be so jaded so quick? This is both female and male cops, both black, white, and hispanic cops - it just does not matter. We seem to be getting more new cops who do not give a shit from Day 1. That is why I am so happy to see any new cops, like yourself, who want to work, want to learn, and want to listen.
I wish I was up in 15 so I could help you out and I wish we had more of you that would like to learn, and like to do this job. After all the BS, this is still the best job b/c of the people you work with, not the people you work for; but the stories you can tell about the people you work for are almost as priceless.
And my football trophy was from 1988, a state championship for Mt. Carmel, but I will go polish it.
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. Yeah, ok, Area 2 does such a lousy job because the Cmdr is black. Grow the fuck up, get off your asses, close down your "E-trade" screens on your computers, hit the bricks and DO YOUR JOBS. Funny, the Cmdr there is black, but all the white administrative people who were there before him are still there, hanging around, doing little or nothing, and just about all of them are NOT black, so please spare us the "it's because the boss is black" drivel. Welch was a competent detective, and a good Sgt. of Detectives for a number of years before he made Lt. and eventually got the top job out at A/2. He could probably teach a few of you hair gel/braided/hair twisted lazy MFrs a thing or two.
It's just so easy to come on here and blast everyone else for your own shortcomings. GET TO WORK!
I hate to admit it, but I've seen better initiative come from some of the A/2 SVU people than the Dets they send out for the serious violent crimes. When did such a great job as Detective produce such a bunch of yelping, whining little puppies? Jeez, time to fill up the tub and drown some of the litter!!
Area 2 Det. Division is full of MERIT SGTS.
You want to see elite, than come see me dog all my jobs so these mutts in 011 get no service. Who cares about this job? I dont, all Im here for is the paycheck and insurance. Funny thing is that they need to put in the CO book that they are looking for motivated officers to work tact. They might as well go reverse seniority because anybody with time on would never go onto that joke of a tact team we got here in 011. Look and see how many people are bailing from the tact/gang teams. Just answer you calls, cut paper, and responded to your fellow officers assists and you will be one happy camper. Im a DOG, just what this city wants and just what the westside residents deserve. Woof Woof Woof
. . . So yes your kids may be killed you may be robbed and your house broken into but dont expect a det. who can clear the case expect one that meets the commanders color test
8/30/2007 11:27:00 AM
Making employment decisions based upon race violates a whole bunch of federal laws. Is the commander aware of this? The National Employment Lawyers Association has a website if you want to talk to someone about this.
Anonymous said...
You heard it here first!!!
As of the 11th period, unit 253 members (T.R.U.) will be issued Green Berets. The new garmet will be identical to that as utilized by the United States Army.
The fax should be coming out within the next week.
8/31/2007 03:03:00 AM
LOL that is funny shit and maybe they could get cool tattoos with cartoon images!
How many P.O's to citizens of Chicago do we have? Too bad we only have a census count as many/most/all illegals aren't counted. What is the ratio to other cities compared to ours? Please count the P.O.'s actually on the street.
12:32 am
Well said! Fuck the "pussy police", every district and unit have 'em. I Worked SOS too seen em Citywide! This job is done by a small percentage of coppers in blue, white and plainclothes.
CHECK THE court notifications, overtime accrued and arrest numbers all of you questioning this or merit and other bullshit.
There is always going to be those who do and those who don't we all know who they are too! So what do what you want to do about it? Well you can do what you have to, or do nothing if you got to. I don't care because I didn't HIRE YOU and I never expected anyone to do much from what I have experienced on this job so far!
So when THEY riot and THEY probably will someday WE will all put our troubles aside until its over and figure it out and then go back to the same beefs. We will then re-analyze everything wrong then again! Again there are those who do and those who don't!
What are you going to do about it or better yet what is anybody going to do about it? We bitch like broads (sorry ladies)! Deaf ears, lazy fucks, scared chickens, liberal coppers, political people that panic, and whatever other reasons you want to add here...
That is why we are fucked up and look like retards, nerds, goofs and idiots to other departments etc.
The real problem here maybe stems from:
A. Personnel (Hiring)B. Training (on the street not the Academy). C. Ourselves (because again What are we going to do about it?)
Whatever ...wheres my hash pipe I can't wait to retire and de-stress!
Enjoy Life!
Instead of one 2 man car trying to initiate a street stop on 20 people, and still be able to maintain control of the scene, and attempt to find the stashed guns and narcotics, we have 8 to 10 officers which helps even the odds a bit.
Essentially Wolfpack missions can be a good tool, if used in the way they were intended, with the above in mind, silly name or not.
The tool is you,Punk ass company guy.
So, you can either start realizing that the burden to teach new guys lies within every veteren
Been there done that, yes you are right, Yet I'm tired after working a beat car for 25 years with no break. Sorry kid I try to do as much as I can when I can. However most of time I say fuck it and allow you to fuck up. Your right!
So, you can either start realizing that the burden to teach new guys lies within every veteren
YES, but the BURDEN TO LEARN IT LIES WITH THE NEW GUY... NOW LISTEN UP
Wrong, nobody in TRU thinks they are elite, that's the medias bs, they go out and do the job, period. The officers are almost all from the busiest districts in the city: 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,15,25, most have more than 3-4 yrs on, and the the bosses don't tell them they are elite, they aren't asked to do contacs cards as activity, they are asked to do them to justify the stop, it's cya on this job now, that's it, that's all. Stop all the bs already and let's start sticking together..
8/30/2007 10:05:00 PM
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100% agree with above post
"but if quality isn't there you sometimes have to take in that 1 bagger.
And shit rolls down hill!!!! I was also referring to how things had changed in a short amount of time"
Can you say Denial?
I stand by Everything I said,& your comments to rationalize your behavior only prove YOUR INHERENT SPINELESSNESS.
It's called Integrity& Discretion, character traits YOU DO NOT POSSESS.
It's astounding how you tacclowns obtain the onebag juvy arrest with an hour left in the shift @ alarming frequency? I'm not accusing you of planting cases, people can draw their own conclusions.
I have News for you Company Kissass, this pimpy numbers/lies game has been going on alot longer than 5 years you claim.
I've been on 20 years longer than the 2 years you claim and I can Guarantee you while pushing a beat car I came in with numbers(WITHOUT SANDBAGGING) that surpass your best period where you're listed as arresting officer number 6!
I go home each day with my integrity intact, can you honestly do the same?
you want to be elite? when you can drive for the entire tour without having to wear shoes you can also be elite. i remember one time inspecter big bird t. mcmahon pulled next to my cruiser and was asking if i had my vest on. i laughed and said yes sir only if he knew i had no shoes on and had just removed my white socks to work on a bunion on my left foot and a corn on the right foot. so to all the young whiper snapers you to can be elite once you wake up and go shoeless.
8/30/07 9:53 am
The point is not the burden to teach new guys the point is new guys DON'T LISTEN. When us veteran officers were the new guys we kept our eyes and ears open and our mouths shut and we did learn from the old timers by watching and listening to their tricks.Now you try to tell the new guys how to handle something and they don't listen, they argue with you and tell you that's not how they were taught in the academy.Why should us veterans have the burden to teach when we deal with conflict comming from the new guys. We have been there and done that and know how to handle situations.I have been personally told by a new guy when trying to teach them the right way to stay out of jams, I already know everything I need to know about this job let's just get this night over and that was with the new guy having 3 mos. on and myself having over 9 years. By the way in 015 the majority of the new guys work the desk, the radio room or any other inside job they can get or they cry about it if they have to go out on the street, so much for wanting to learn !!!!
Retired fairly recently.
Quantity? Did or did not those SOS officers bring in Quantity? Their bosses were strutting all over the DOC and so was the higher ups.
See where it got them and the whole organization. As long as the poor tact lts. have to stand up their ( or commanders) and have to read off useless numbers, it will always be quantity.
Elite?
Remember when there were 3 tact teams in the district? 8 officers and a sgt. to a team.
You want to see elite police work? See the midnights in 013. Ordinary policeman making extradinary felony arrests-consistently. Makes me think the old times never went away. And I'm sure there are guys like these buried in beat cars in every district.
8/30/2007 08:27:00 AM
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I agree. Totally under-rated and I don't work midnites either. Give it up to Wood Street!
i agree w/ the shoeless po po. i refuse to get out of my vehicle. two months without a contract. 1st & 16th is all i know.
there is NO elite units anymore !!! period. tact/ gang teams are number getters. i know, i work in a busy district where on all teams day, we have other teams come into the district so that we can run bullshit reverse stings and boost our numbers while teams from the area get arrests that they wouldn't even make in their own districts...not even in 016 and 017. numbers are all that the bosses care about, plain and simple !!!
Anonymous said...
Instead of one 2 man car trying to initiate a street stop on 20 people, and still be able to maintain control of the scene, and attempt to find the stashed guns and narcotics, we have 8 to 10 officers which helps even the odds a bit.
Essentially Wolfpack missions can be a good tool, if used in the way they were intended, with the above in mind, silly name or not.
The tool is you,Punk ass company guy.
8/31/2007 02:59:00 PM
LMAO, saw that coming. I can't help myself, 10 years on and I still like arresting people. If that makes me a Punk azz company guy to you, oh well. I'm still having fun, hope you are too being a miserable b*tch about everything waste of space.
Got to hand it to you Northside. You got a flare for telling some of the clout babies and idiots "FVCK YOU" in the most eloquent and articulate style, it probably flies right over their dumb heads. Using your name also gives you the street cred of a racked 12 gage shotgun.
Instead of one 2 man car trying to initiate a street stop on 20 people, and still be able to maintain control of the scene, and attempt to find the stashed guns and narcotics, we have 8 to 10 officers which helps even the odds a bit.
Essentially Wolfpack missions can be a good tool, if used in the way they were intended, with the above in mind, silly name or not.
Now I know you're a cop in Area 3 or some other trick gig you pussy. We know they're up to no good but are you going to put a case on all of them? Dumbshits like you will stop 20 people on a block to find 1 rock in dudes mouth and hunt around for 20 min like a moron, coming up with shit except a empty pack baggie, all the while, joe is laughing at you. You have no clue where to begin to look first dickhead, and wouldn't know what a pack is if you found it. Say you find the gun genius, who's it going on? Finding a gun or dope.. It's called surv. dumbass, or pure fucking luck. Stopping 20 people on a block is good when you need contact cards or you get a call there with no intention of finding anything and MAYBE, MAYBE, getting lucky. Wolfpack missions, how fucking gay can you be? Here's a clue 2 year wonder, look for the guy dressed best, he's usually the main player. Tell them to get the fuck off the block or you'll lock them up. Then see who comes back in 10 min. It's called thinning the herd. Then have another car...If you need me to continue to tell you how find dope instead of getting into a confrontation with 20 motherfuckers, go back to your FTO and stop being a company man. You don't need 4 cars on a stop. Get a real case, unless of course dude is being a jagoff, in which case, do what you gotta do. Think before you react. Be safe..
Instead of one 2 man car trying to initiate a street stop on 20 people, and still be able to maintain control of the scene, and attempt to find the stashed guns and narcotics, we have 8 to 10 officers which helps even the odds a bit.
Essentially Wolfpack missions can be a good tool, if used in the way they were intended, with the above in mind, silly name or not.
The tool is you,Punk ass company guy.
8/31/2007 02:59:00 PM
LMAO, saw that coming. I can't help myself, 10 years on and I still like arresting people. If that makes me a Punk azz company guy to you, oh well. I'm still having fun, hope you are too being a miserable b*tch about everything waste of space.
10 yrs on, but where? Obviously not on the westside finding those stashed guns or nacotics.
You forgot to mention the "MOBILE FOOT PATROL" in 024..
Guys + Girls With 3-8 years on that do Foot Patrols but don't make any real arrests,work weekends or answer calls..but they are great for jumping on paper.
"You want to see elite, than come see me dog all my jobs so these mutts in 011 get no service. Who cares about this job? I dont, all Im here for is the paycheck and insurance. Funny thing is that they need to put in the CO book that they are looking for motivated officers to work tact. They might as well go reverse seniority because anybody with time on would never go onto that joke of a tact team we got here in 011. Look and see how many people are bailing from the tact/gang teams. Just answer you calls, cut paper, and responded to your fellow officers assists and you will be one happy camper. Im a DOG, just what this city wants and just what the westside residents deserve. Woof Woof Woof"
This is the sad but true police officer that the department is now producing. With their bullshit numbers, trr's, doc, wolfpack, cameras, gps and ops. People with time dont want to do shit and new people dont know any better. Shame on anyone from the MAYOR, city hall, and exempt who have stood by and allowed this to happen. If you read this blog the blame is on you. Not the dog p.o. you have made.
It all starts with good management. Our management sucks.
Let's start with the GED acting super.
Then let's go down the management tree and see all the clout sub-managers who don't have a fucking clue.
Then go down further to det/patrol level and you have supervisors who have never been a dic or in patrol who ever made a felony arrest let alone write an investigative report or sit in on a trial. Some of these superviosrs can't spell or communicate properly. And these are the people making split-second decisions. Sad.. and I can't wait to get out.
bomb and arson is the most elite in th city. they must be on edge while working. they must be the best for what thry be doing.
do you all want to hear gangsta rap music while you working and smell dirty stanky feets from all the homeless and see 6 out of 7 desk officers dog it for the whole 8 hours, comes to the duce on midnights play. wow, thats all she wrote.
You can be SUPERCOP ELITE if you write cell phone useage while driving tickets in 001.
I AGREE, WITH THE OLD TIMER TAC GUY. THE AREA 1 MIDNIGHT GANG TEAM IS A BUNCH OF GREAT COPPERS, AND ALL TOGETHER GREAT GUYS. I'VE HEARD THEM COME UP IN 008 ON BOTH THE EAST AND WEST ENDS A FEW CRAZY NIGHTS HELPING OUT WITH JOBS AND NOT ONLY CLEARING THE PERSISTENT RAP BUT ALSO DOING THE PAPER IF NEED BE. THERE ARE NOT MANY PLAIN CLOTHES GUYS THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF A DOMESTIC IF NO BEAT CARS ARE AVAILABLE. GREAT GUYS, WOULDN'T MIND HAVING THEM BACK ON THE BEATS THOUGH, BUT THEY DO THEIR PART.
Now I know you're a cop in Area 3 or some other trick gig you pussy. We know they're up to no good but are you going to put a case on all of them? Dumbshits like you will stop 20 people on a block to find 1 rock in dudes mouth and hunt around for 20 min like a moron, coming up with shit except a empty pack baggie, all the while, joe is laughing at you. You have no clue where to begin to look first dickhead, and wouldn't know what a pack is if you found it. Say you find the gun genius, who's it going on? Finding a gun or dope.. It's called surv. dumbass, or pure fucking luck. Stopping 20 people on a block is good when you need contact cards or you get a call there with no intention of finding anything and MAYBE, MAYBE, getting lucky. Wolfpack missions, how fucking gay can you be? Here's a clue 2 year wonder, look for the guy dressed best, he's usually the main player. Tell them to get the fuck off the block or you'll lock them up. Then see who comes back in 10 min. It's called thinning the herd. Then have another car...If you need me to continue to tell you how find dope instead of getting into a confrontation with 20 motherfuckers, go back to your FTO and stop being a company man. You don't need 4 cars on a stop. Get a real case, unless of course dude is being a jagoff, in which case, do what you gotta do. Think before you react. Be safe..
It's about officer safety, not the almighty one bag you profess to know so much about, I don't care if you get one bag or fifty, it's still bullshit dope. Get your head out of your ass and stay out of the tree on your great surveilences already..... what a tool, and save your ghetto cop bs for someone else, been there done that, along time ago, kid.
I'm a old timer tac guy, The place to be if not on a beat? Area 1 midnight gang team...great guys see them all the time they rack up heads and they get great pinches pretty much every night. I was unfortunately at a recent DOC meeting TRU's numbers were read out i think it was an assload of contacts and movers, and like 2 guns in a 3 week period i was falling asleep during it so i might be off a tad, but regardless thats pretty sad for an elite unit!. The area 1 mid gang guys had like 2 burglaries, 12 guns, 2 Agg Batt: handgun offenders and a homicide offender in the same time period..and they do this kinda work all the time. The good thing is they dont act like the TRU tools who think they are elite, the Area 1 fellas just do the work and never hesitate to stop and help you out if you need it or not. Just my point of view I'm sure some jealous coppers will rip into them though. Area 1 Sat guys are a bunch of good coppers as well.
STFU, if you really were ever at a DOC meeting you would know that the numbers read are for the week prior, not 2 or 3 weeks, the numbers for TRU are fine, they make alot of arrests, contacts, etc and get about 5-10 guns a week, remember that is just by doing traffic and street stops, and an occassional warrant, not H/Is, kidnappings etc. you are obviously working the ARea 1 midnight gang team and want to self-promote, good for you! but keep the bs out of it will ya...
It's about officer safety, not the almighty one bag you profess to know so much about, I don't care if you get one bag or fifty, it's still bullshit dope. Get your head out of your ass and stay out of the tree on your great surveilences already..... what a tool, and save your ghetto cop bs for someone else, been there done that, along time ago, kid.
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Wolfpack you dork. Funny that your so happy to reference the same tactic that the Germans used in WWII to attack Allied ships in the Atlantic like it was a good thing. You're a fucking idiot to stop 20 people on the street at one time. And lets be honest, how many times have you seen 20 people on a corner. Worked the west side many years and never saw 20 people at one time, KID!! Maybe during a 10-1.
Now I know you're a cop in Area 3 or some other trick gig you pussy. We know they're up to no good but are you going to put a case on all of them? Dumbshits like you will stop 20 people on a block to find 1 rock in dudes mouth and hunt around for 20 min like a moron, coming up with shit except a empty pack baggie, all the while, joe is laughing at you. You have no clue where to begin to look first dickhead, and wouldn't know what a pack is if you found it. Say you find the gun genius, who's it going on? Finding a gun or dope.. It's called surv. dumbass, or pure fucking luck. Stopping 20 people on a block is good when you need contact cards or you get a call there with no intention of finding anything and MAYBE, MAYBE, getting lucky. Wolfpack missions, how fucking gay can you be? Here's a clue 2 year wonder, look for the guy dressed best, he's usually the main player. Tell them to get the fuck off the block or you'll lock them up. Then see who comes back in 10 min. It's called thinning the herd. Then have another car...If you need me to continue to tell you how find dope instead of getting into a confrontation with 20 motherfuckers, go back to your FTO and stop being a company man. You don't need 4 cars on a stop. Get a real case, unless of course dude is being a jagoff, in which case, do what you gotta do. Think before you react. Be safe..
It's about officer safety, not the almighty one bag you profess to know so much about, I don't care if you get one bag or fifty, it's still bullshit dope. Get your head out of your ass and stay out of the tree on your great surveilences already..... what a tool, and save your ghetto cop bs for someone else, been there done that, along time ago, kid.
9/02/2007 11:50:00 AM
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By the way kid, why would you stop all those people if not to find a gun or dope, or as you like to say, narcotics. So I guess it is all about those two things.
Yea sure. Do you really think Officers Pet and Schroeder are elite tactitcal officers?
to 9/4 11:44am too funny ! just ask them, they'll tell you !
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