Part of the Problem
Manpower is the first part of the problem - we have a shortage. The fact that the Department and the City won't 'fess up to the shortage is another problem. We are operating anywhere from 10-20% down on any given night and it's becoming a safety issue.
The other part of the problem is a lack of confidence in OEMC. And civilians are noticing it:
The other part of the problem is a lack of confidence in OEMC. And civilians are noticing it:
- Newly released 9-1-1 tapes show the confusion and frustration felt by people witnessing a huge fight this summer on the city's Southwest Side. One teenager wound up in coma. Others were seriously injured.
The tale told by the tape reveals no shortage of calls for help, just an inexplicable lack of response.
"Don't get me wrong, I have confidence in the police, but the 9-1-1 Center, I want nothing to do with," said Rick Kruis, injured in fight.
008 is too damn big and undermanned. Same with two or three other places that get regular mentions here. And then we have teams shipped out of Districts leaving larger gaps in coverage, and entire watches operating down 10-20% manpower. Are the citizens finally going to demand a change from politicians?
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
75 Comments:
In 008 there would be no need to re-map/allign the district if they would just simply properly man the district. Detailed people are a part of the problem., insted of keeping detailed people on the books of a district (i.e. Satuartion teams), Assign them to that unit! So other people can bid for that opening. Or put a limit as to how long these people can be detailed out of the district before they become permanant personel to that detail unit. Some people have been detailed for 1+ years and they are still attached to their original district. I constantly see people extending their time in these units and in the meantime man power suffers in the districts and no openings in the districts to bid to because of shit like this.
I am curious of what type of media out cry there would have been if the lack of response happened in St Sabina. I am not a cop but after hearing the tapes I am shocked that this situation has not caused ministers to stage a rally with CeaseFire demanding more state funding and for someone or anyone to be forced to resign.
011 or 008? Which district has more officers working the beat car?
Last I knew it was the same.
Disolve TRU and $O$ and make a 26th District.
Return some of those exempts to previous rank and presto! enough LTs and Capts to man the districts. BTW take a few of those sgts from under the desks, and those hiding at 35th St who have never worked and put them in working districts. Some of those working sgts could use a break in 026.
zone 6 dispatchers on mids suck---these bitches dont realize we hump all day, then a 2340-2350 hrs they give us a some bs job (non-priority)that will take us until 0045 or 0115. the job could have easily waited 10 more minutes for mids to handle. fuck 008. if they ever open up the bids in 008 again dont waste ur time , you'll hate it.
okay, some comments and opinion:..
1) manpower - how about a department citywide personnel audit, examining precisely how many people (by rank) are working where? (not how many are assigned somewhere, but detailed somewhere else, etc.);
2) now, break that down by districts and/or units, then also examine that by how many personnel ACTUALLY are in the field and respond to calls for service/radio assignments (that would eliminate specialized units like TRU, SOS, area gang and gun teams, etc., who kind of hang around, do some warrants, make some arrests, but DO NOT respond to the normal neighborhood disturbance/quality of life complaints); this count is subject to analysis by watch and district, to factor in day off, furlough, elective time off, medical use, etc.);
3) now, a computer analysis of calls for service received, by district, as compared to cars/units available, then as compared to "backlogs" (the new politically correct term for "no cars available"), meaning that there are are no police cars available to respond to the citizens' calls for service; and, don't forget to compare calls for service, "backlogs", with the number of police ACTUALLY on the street (and not some B.S. number the department provides);
4) some districts (west and south side) operate in "backlogs" from May to October, meaning that citizens who call the police may wait from one to two hours for service; a disgrace, isn't it?
5) as far as the above: a full and fair discolsure to any and all media (print, elctronic, etc.) that are interested; put it out there!
5) OEMC....are you kidding? calltakers that have no idea what's going on, dispatchers who just read the computer screen....how many times has the dispatcher said,....here's the deal, I have no idea what's happening there (or words to that effect)? True story....on a south side zone, the dispatcher calls a district tactical unit; after they answer, she says that there's an off duty p.o. who is observing a disturbance at Austin and Midway Parkway (i.e., in 015); the unit seems stunned, questions the assignment; the dispatcher says, "I don't know, it's on my screen, I have no clue, I live in 016"....
I heard Tac teams from 003 had to leave the District to babysit Julian High Skool during dismissal and there were THREE (3) SHOOTINGS back in 003 with NO TACT/GANGS coverage. Not that anyone is a superhero, but thats a lot of manpower to remove. I don't remember seeing ANY Police around Marist,Bro Rice or McCaully. Wonder what the difference was.
008 is too damn big and undermanned. Same with two or three other places that get regular mentions here. And then we have teams shipped out of Districts leaving larger gaps in coverage, and entire watches operating down 10-20% manpower. Are the citizens finally going to demand a change from politicians?...........................................................................U notice by looking at a city wide beat map and then looking at the demographics, then looking further at tax base. There is an inverse proportional relationship among white tax paying population and size of beat?? The racism appears to be opposite of what Jessie Jackson, etc purport!
Maybe we should request in the contract that whenever we are in a backlog we get some sort of hazard pay
I reside in the west end of the 008 district. Are we going to let the gangbangers completely take over before our gang team is allowed to arrest these punks. Must my neighborhood, property, personal safety, become completely compromised before 812's beat becomes "doc" area? Not only are the ten sector cars swamped with calls for service, but our unmarked units assigned to the 008 district are no where to be seen. Well at least not west of Cicero. Tell the truth, is it because I'm white? Working? Taxpayer? Homeowner?....
This is one 911 employee who is terrified because like myself and hundreds more like me, we know the truth. We see it everyday.
Peace, keep up the good work that you are allowed to do.
We are so doomed, between the da mayor's clan and messed up social security system. I can look forward to my golden years working the Damen entrance ramp.
004th district is larger than 008.
Anonymous said...
In 008 there would be no need to re-map/allign the district if they would just simply properly man the district. Detailed people are a part of the problem., insted of keeping detailed people on the books of a district (i.e. Satuartion teams), Assign them to that unit! So other people can bid for that opening. Or put a limit as to how long these people can be detailed out of the district before they become permanant personel to that detail unit. Some people have been detailed for 1+ years and they are still attached to their original district. I constantly see people extending their time in these units and in the meantime man power suffers in the districts and no openings in the districts to bid to because of shit like this.
9/25/2007 11:58:00 PM
IT GETS BEETER WHEN THE LACKEY SGTS ALLOW BEAT 811 TO BE USED ON WESTERN AVE ON JOBS WHEN NO CARS ARE AVAILABLE! WTF! COME ON LEO I KNOW YOUR SCARED OF THE REVS ON THE EAST END BUT WE NEED YOU TAC AND GANG TEAMS HERE! SIMPLE MATH THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THE BILLS AHOULD GET THE FINEST SERVICE! (I KNOW DALEYS CHICAGO IF HE CANNOT STEAL IT HE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT). LEO SEND SOME CARS HERE PLEASE AND WE THANK YOU FOR ANY SUPPORT! THERE IS A PETTION AVAILABLE AT ALDERMAN ZALEWSKIS OFFICE TO EXPAND THE WEST END TO ITS OWN DISTRICT (26?), MAYBE WE NEED ANOTHER ONE TO CHANGE COMMANDERS?
It's the cops fault. They should have raced over there ASAP. But they are scared to get hurt or dirty. What a bunch of sissy wimps they hire now....
Who was in charge of the union when he GAVE AWAY the police jobs of call taking and dispatching?
Anonymous said...
I reside in the west end of the 008 district. Are we going to let the gangbangers completely take over before our gang team is allowed to arrest these punks. Must my neighborhood, property, personal safety, become completely compromised before 812's beat becomes "doc" area? Not only are the ten sector cars swamped with calls for service, but our unmarked units assigned to the 008 district are no where to be seen. Well at least not west of Cicero. Tell the truth, is it because I'm white? Working? Taxpayer? Homeowner?....
This is one 911 employee who is terrified because like myself and hundreds more like me, we know the truth. We see it everyday.
Peace, keep up the good work that you are allowed to do.
9/26/2007 04:28:00 AM
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Tact and gangs in 008 are directed "not to go west" we have no choice. The city made merit bitch bosses that micro manage this job and ruined it. Tell you alderman you want tact and gang cars regularly on the westend, west of central!
Maybe the lawyers for the victims will read this blog? MANPOWER MANPOWER MANPOWER of lack of! WE dare you to uncover that in the news!
Working the Damen Av. entrance ramp? Ummmmm, you'll need the alderthief's ok on that.
I hear you about 008, but what about 006. 006 is worse off than 008. Less sgts "2 left and went to 008". Less P.O.'s and they can't even get a break. Lunches denied every night, always in a back log SOS & TRU there almost every night clogging up the interview rooms and lock-up with quality of life arrests so when the officers in 006 make a pinch it takes 2 to 3 hrs. to get back out on the streets. I think many other districts are in the same situation. I don't want to deny the problem in 008 but let's keep it real it is all over the south side. It is a safety issue where is FOP and the PBPA? Lets get the word out, get some press coverage on this. Let some of those big mouth aldercreatures on the south side know that their wards are under protected and unsafe. Hey I think it is a racial issue, the mayor does not care because those are minority wards. What ever works. WE NEED HELP AND REAL UNION LEADERSHIP.
It's not about moving people from one unit to a district or from one district to another. All your doing is shifting manpower from one district and depleting the other. Plus there isn't any guarantee that people would even bid that that district.
So why are we short on manpower? Simple, ecoonomics, period end of story. During the late 60's to the early 90's our economy was in a hole. Factory jobs, industrial jobs, etc. were gone. Jobs that didn't require college education were hard to come by. People would line up for blocks when they heard about any sort of examination given by this department. Why/ because they needed to eat and support families. Times have changed. Education is a requirement on this job now. the economy even though it's struggling is still better now than its was before. Housing prices in this city have increased by over 100% in some areas. We are the most scrutinized occupation outside of politcians. It also doesn't help that we bring alot of this BS on ourselves. Let's face it people nobody wants to be the police anymore. Were underpaid and overworked. The benefits just aren't here anymore. The respect for us is gone. It's no wonder that we have to have two exams once a year. Until we have answer to these problems we will continue to be undermanned. And once the baby boomers start retiring in masses , God help us
008 should have been split into two districts years ago. The district is just too big and too busy. Much of the district is changing racially and ecnomically, with the powers to be, (that is downtown and 35th and Michigan) either not seeing or not caring about our problems. What have some of the big bosses who actually live in 008, like Risley and others done to help the situation? People who live in the west end of 008, who pay the majority of the taxes and get the short end of the stick with police service (guess what race they mostly are) need to start putting pressure on their political leadership such as Zalewski, Madigan, Olivo and others to do something about not only what is happening in 008 but city wide. Problem is we white people just pay our taxes, raise our families and don't complain, while others who are loud and vocal are catered to.
off topic-ATTENTION MEDIA-i hear alot of complaints that black student are arrested and suspended more than white students at school. here's what i suggest--pick 5 predominently black public schools on the south and west sides. now pick 5 predominently white catholic schools marist bro rice gorden tech etc. now videotape the dismissals of each school WITHOUT THE STUDENTS AND PUBLICS KNOWLEDGE. compare and contrast how blacks and whites act at dismissal. you will see why an abundance of police are needed at julian vs no police needed at marist. mary mitchell do u care to try this???????
What is the point of creating another district? I get sick when people say create a new district of close a slow on like 013. I t makes not sense. All you have to do is properly man the districts we have a possible realign the beats within those districts.
Creating a new district create new exempt position whichs everyong bitches about an screws with our pension.
Losing ad district is good in that in theory it sould lower exempt positions but the realty is that you still have the same amount of area to patrol, we are not giving up land.
Why don't we bench the Mayor and put the backup in charge?
How about 008 looking at the fake rim shop that was shut down on Archer and parkside but the arab reopened it at 6161 Archer in the rear check it out! a tact cop from 005 told me last night he got 2 guns from a car in 005 and they told him they were purchased at that rim shop? Do they have a license? drug dealers in and out 008 tact if you have time could you look into this?
Was it a hate crime?
Who cares how short we are, just re-hire us at time time and a half to supplement the manpower needs. The city saves and we win!
8600 strong
OEMC has the same probles that theCPD has. OEMC is undermanned, we're undermanned. OEMC has some people who are really good at their job and some who do very little and don't care, and nothing is done to the lazy employees. We do too.OEMC lets people out of training who should be fired before some one has to depend on them. Same thing for us. OEMC is as screwed up as the CPD.
concerning details out of the district:
Even if the detailed p.o. comes back to the district they are assigned, then a p.o. from the same district is taken to replace him/her. So essentially nothing changes. (i.e. saturation)
But to detail a gang or tact team out of the district leaves the distric short. Tact and gangs should be pulled off any mission they are on (Wolf Pack, ect)and answer calls when the district they are assigned is in a back log. Further they should have to write the paper for their on view jobs. No P.O. should ever use the "Send a paper car" B.S. line, unless extreme extenuating circumstances neccessitate it. Also anyone that takes a witness or victim from the scene to tour the area should automaticlly be given the paper and the job.
actually district law is operating at less than 50% capacity on any given day based on average daily 6% on medical, 6% on limited or light duty, furloughs, RDOs, other discretionary time off status and detailed out officers (some districts worse than others and are considered high crime based on stats)
Every time there is a hue and cry for District realignment it is stopped dead in its tracks- by the Aldercreatures. They, not the Mayor have fought realignment for years. Whetehr it is beats within the Districts or changing district boundaries, the Aldermen have fought it tooth and nail.
REFUSE TO WORK 99 ON THE 1ST AND 3RD WATCHES. MAKE THE W/C PUT CARS OUT OF SERVICE UNTIL THEY WILL GIVE O.T. OR HIRE THE NECESSARY OFFICERS TO FILL THESE POSITIONS. DON'T JEPORDISE YOUR SAFTY TO SATIFY SOME BOSS.
I totally agree, everytime we are in a backlog and denied personals/lunch's etc we should get some kind of restitution for it. Hazard pay/d2/something, anything. These people working in cush districts (north side) have no clue what it's like, just absolutely no clue.
Put pressure on your Alderman, that's the only way to get more (or the police service) that you deserve. There's strength in numbers, remind these assholes that they are accountable to us. They seem to forget that....
>>I reside in the west end of the 008 district. Are we going to let the gangbangers completely take over before our gang team is allowed to arrest these punks.<<
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Look back 10 years to the areas immediately east of Longwood Drive in Morgan Park and Beverly. 20 years to St. Thomas More Parish in 008. 30 years to Little Flower. 40 years to Visitation. 50 years or 60 years to Woodlawn, the other 3 parishes in Back of the Yards, most of 011 and 015.
A gang team is like putting a finger in the dike.
I wish I had an interactive map of the city that could show the murder trends of the last 50 years. I guarantee a time-shifting color graphic would show murders and crime first dispersing from the original ghettoes and rolling over what once were nice, quiet neighborhoods just like yours. These days the trend isn't so much a dispersion.
Its more like a wave (or an arrow) heading right towards Mt. Greenwood, Hedgewisch and the west end of 008. You think your neighbors won't run when 2 million people before you have?
The answer for you young guys is to move east of the ryan (as close to the lake as possible), and north of 60th street. Poverty is getting pushed out of 002 and 021, and right into 004, 008 and 022.
I called chicago 911 to report some dumbass riding his bicycle down the Eisenhower E-way, they connected me to the state police.
It took at least 3 minutes before a call taker even answered my call. Normally I would hang up without reporting it rather than wait that long and hope the asshole doesn't get hit before a trooper sees him but I was curious to see how long it would take to answer my call.
Thank good it wasnt a real emergency, at a busy time, because whoever is calling is in deep trouble if it takes that long to pick up a phone at the 911 center.
On the east end of the 8th District, we normally see 7th District cars riding three deep in uniform beat cars, in addition to plainclothes "incident" cars on the third watch. and 008 can't man more than two or three rapids... Do you see any type of discrepancy here? Two years ago, all the early and late rapids were manned, now there are no late rapids, and few early ones. Where has our manpower gone????? Officers leave 8 every change day, but there is never a "bid" to replace them. 8 is 4-5 times the size of 7, with comparable calls for service. What gives?
Only after the city pukes millions in damages will anything change. Officer safety is the last thing on King Daleys minds. Its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$
off topic-ATTENTION MEDIA-i hear alot of complaints that black student are arrested and suspended more than white students at school. here's what i suggest--pick 5 predominently black public schools on the south and west sides. now pick 5 predominently white catholic schools marist bro rice gorden tech etc. now videotape the dismissals of each school WITHOUT THE STUDENTS AND PUBLICS KNOWLEDGE. compare and contrast how blacks and whites act at dismissal. you will see why an abundance of police are needed at julian vs no police needed at marist. mary mitchell do u care to try this???????
9/26/2007 11:25:00 AM
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It will NEVER Happen. The media cannot let the facts get in the way of their preconceived notions.
HAVE YOU EVER CALLED 911 OFF DUTY? I HAVE AND THEN OUT OF CURIOSITY I TURN ON MY SCANNER. WHEN THE JOB FINALLY GETS DISPATCHED, THEY MENTION NOTHING THAT I SAID TO THE CALL TAKER. LIKE THINGS FOR OFFICER SAFETY ETC. I EVEN LEAVE MY NAME AND IT STILL GOES OUT ANNONYMOUS. ONCE THE CALL TAKER HUNG UP ON ME BECAUSE SHE SAID I WAS TELLING HER THINGS THAT COULD NOT BE VERIFIED!!! A KNOWN PERSON WANTED? THATS NOT IMPORTANT. AFFIRMATIVE ACTION DISPATCHING AND CALL TAKING!!!
These people working in cush districts (north side) have no clue what it's like, just absolutely no clue.
9/26/2007 03:15:00 PM
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Actually I completely understand, the majority of us "north-side" coppers got sick of the bullshit and shitheads on the south-side so we bid up north. Hell, I live down south and commute up north. Nothing but respect for anyone working in Area 2. My personal advice though, put in your time and bid out first chance you get! But in the mean-time keep the shit heads out of 022!
Stop & Zalewski's office & get these petitions signed to divide the 008th district.
I have a few that I have been passing around and NOBODY has declined to sign it!
The city doesn't know how to use it's resources and could probably solve some of the problem by properly manning the district but the district does need to be re-aligned. It's too damn big.
to 6:18 on 26sep07
004 has a lot of factiries in it 008 does not. they should just send all gang, tact, and detailed personel back until the district beats are manned.
IT GETS BEETER WHEN THE LACKEY SGTS ALLOW BEAT 811 TO BE USED ON WESTERN AVE ON JOBS WHEN NO CARS ARE AVAILABLE! WTF! COME ON LEO I KNOW YOUR SCARED OF THE REVS ON THE EAST END BUT WE NEED YOU TAC AND GANG TEAMS HERE! SIMPLE MATH THE PEOPLE THAT PAY THE BILLS AHOULD GET THE FINEST SERVICE! (I KNOW DALEYS CHICAGO IF HE CANNOT STEAL IT HE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT). LEO SEND SOME CARS HERE PLEASE AND WE THANK YOU FOR ANY SUPPORT! THERE IS A PETTION AVAILABLE AT ALDERMAN ZALEWSKIS OFFICE TO EXPAND THE WEST END TO ITS OWN DISTRICT (26?), MAYBE WE NEED ANOTHER ONE TO CHANGE COMMANDERS?
**********I don't blame the beat cars for not being on the west end of 008. Unfortunately, they don't have a choice. Thanks to 811 mids (KQ) who comes by every now & then to check on my block. Keep bugging the alderman and tell HIM to address the issue. The more complaints he gets about the neighborhood turning to shit, the faster he will call 008th district commander to put the heat on.
Get the petition from the ward off and start having your victims on the west end of 008 sign it!
ANY Police around Marist,Bro Rice or McCaully. Wonder what the difference was.
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Poor people's offspring. Who are taught to solve problems with violence.
We are the most scrutinized occupation outside of politcians. It also doesn't help that we bring alot of this BS on ourselves. Let's face it people nobody wants to be the police anymore.
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It will just get worse, until the police stop working.
Start a petition requesting an increase of police presence on 0811 & 0812's beats.
My concern is that not only did the manpower shortage cause a severe lag in response time to Durkin Park; but that the city and media have yet to play the fire department radio tapes from the 1st responding ambulance that arrived on scene (Ambulance at 77th & Pulaski) This ambulance called a 10-1 when the crowd fighting tried to force their way into the ambulance after the ambulance crew started treating that teenager who was so severely injured. Not only the 911 dispatcher challengethe paramedic, but the Paramdedic officer as well. The dispatcher only acknowledged the 10-1 after one of the paramedics shouted
"Give us a fucking 10-1!" If our manpower was sufficient, or the city would actually rehire officers for whole or partial tours, then an actual 8th district car would have been free to respond. Its sad whe the city refuses to acknowledge our manpower shortage that puts officers in harms way, but that it endangers fire fighters and paramedics as well. I know how it is to be shorthanded in a slower and smaller district, I could just imagine how bad it is in bigger and faster districts.
I totally agree, everytime we are in a backlog and denied personals/lunch's etc we should get some kind of restitution for it. Hazard pay/d2/something, anything. These people working in cush districts (north side) have no clue what it's like, just absolutely no clue.
Quit crying, you think you are the only one who ever worked a busy, ghetto district? hahaha, hazard pay, here's a clue: get some time on the job and then bid to one of those cushy north side districts or perhaps, 021, 001, 012, 013. You friend, have no clue....
I hear you about 008, but what about 006. 006 is worse off than 008. Less sgts "2 left and went to 008". Less P.O.'s and they can't even get a break. Lunches denied every night, always in a back log SOS & TRU there almost every night clogging up the interview rooms and lock-up with quality of life arrests so when the officers in 006 make a pinch.....
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!! MAKE A PINCH in 006! HAHAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! OFFICERS! HA HA HA HAH AH AH HAH HAA! that was good.
Do they let civilians go a ride along here?
This comment is for everyone who has ever called 911 or may call 911 in the future.
For a big fight or incident such as this one, the caller should stay on the line with dispatch until officers arrive.
Give as much information as possible.
Describe the suspects as well as the victims.
Describe EXACTLY what is happening.
If officers do not arrive before the suspects get away, inform dispatch of the direction the suspects takes(east, west, north, south) and how they leave, running, walking or driving and a description of the car if necessary.
Let dispatch know if there are injuries.
If the officers do not arrive before the suspect leaves, it might be possible to catch them as they flee.
Also am ambulance can be dispatched, saving time for the injured to be treated.
Start a petition requesting an increase of police presence on 0811 & 0812's beats.
9/26/2007 07:43:00 PM
There IS a petition sponsered by Zalewski to divide the 008. It's in the local yellow paper every week...
Anonymous said...
How about 008 looking at the fake rim shop that was shut down on Archer and parkside but the arab reopened it at 6161 Archer in the rear check it out!
9/26/2007 12:37:00 PM
I SOMETIMES GET MONEY ORDERS FOR MY GOOFY "E-BAY" BUYS AT THE CURRENCY EXCHANGE JUST WEST OF THIS PLACE AND THEN WALK THRU THE ALLEY TO MY BANK ON THE ARCHER/AUSTIN SE CORNER. SAW A PARTIAL STRIP 84-86 VETTE COUPE SITTING BY THE REAR OVERHEAD DOOR OF THE SHOP. A QUICK GLANCE SHOWED NO PUBLIC VIN TAG [I COULD SAY I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE YEAR, BUT - WTF I'LL GO THE HONEST ANSWER ROUTE, I'M A CAR GUY COPPER WHO KNOWS CRAP WHEN HE SMELLS IT...], CALLED IT IN AND CAR WAS GONE BY 2210 WHEN I DROVE PAST GOING TO WORK. WONDER WHAT HAPPENED?
mzalewski@cityofchicago.org
Start writing and demanding more police service let mike feel the heat!
SOLUTION BOSS!!!
GET RID OF "TRU"
GET RID OF "SOS"
LIMIT P.O'S TO OCD UNITS
GET CIVILIANS TO DO MOST TASKS AT 35TH ST
WOW!!! LOOK! YOU'LL HAVE MORE DISTRICT
MAN POWER!!!!
SOUNDS TO LOGICAL!!!! NEVER MIND, CARRY ON*
814H @ 7:45am Wednesday morning. Parked halfway down the block from Dore school. These lazy assholes were crossing kids the from their squad. Blue lights on and no way to see right or left. Just let the kids take their chances on getting across safely. While the mexi-american off-duty cop in his black Scion Xb stops in the middle of the crosswalk to let his Privileged child out of his car. Get off your lazy ass 814H. You are a terrible example.
When you actually listen to these tapes sometimes, it is a joke, dangerous, and embarrassing. One call, the caller is talking to "911" providing descriptions of person(s) involved in a disturbance. Audible shots are fired and a man goes down. The call taker immediately transfers the caller to the fire department without remaining on the line to get any further information for the police. When the caller talks to the fire department, they have no idea what she is talking about and start all over again. Police still managed to arrest the offender in spite of OEMC.
does ald. zalewski know bt cars protect ald burkes house , a landscaping business on the west end of 8 on the 1st watch , how about the park car only assigned to durkin park that car is paid by the park district to patrol all the parks wake up people
let the alderman know how many inside people are assigned to 8 on the 2nd watch
Let me get my 30 plz kthx
You all always blame OEMC for all you problems, Come spend a shift call taking and dispatching and see how it is. Since you are all experts come show us how to do it the right way.Come down on 3rd watch and take some call then dispatch on zones 6,8, 9, 10 ,12 and show us how its suppose to be done. Of course this will never happen cause NONE of you have the balls to show up and plug in. After that 8 hours shift, dont look forward to going home, cause now you have to work MANDATORY OVERTIME. The offer stands come down and work a shift at the OEMC, but i seriously doubt anyone of you will show up.
If I could vent for a few minutes, man power is down in the districts because crime is supposedly down in the districts.
Every time you make a case report for one burglary in a 3 flat building and each apt has been burglarized, you are killing crime.
Every time you make a cdtp report or cttl report even though the proceeds are bagged in a pillowcase and piled up at the door, you are killing crime.
Every time you expect an ET to photograph the extensive injuries of a battery victim and only make a simple battery case report, you are killing crime.
Every time a victim calls 911 and gets blown off to the alternate response unit, crime is being killed. Every time the alternate response unit makes a lost property case report they are killing crime.
We have been killing crime for the last 20 years since CAPS was started so we could change the publics perception of crime in their neighborhoods and we have slowing been killing the neighborhoods in which we live because crime hasn't been reduced, we've developed a blind eye with which to view our surroundings because we felt uncomfortable and in so doing have allowed the district managers to take over and remove the impact the police have on the street. There is no proactive policing, just reaction when the shit hits the fan and outcry from the citizens that the police don't do enough. We are between a rock and a hard place and our bosses have lost the common sense we need to correct all that is wrong with this job. It is up to the patrolman to take pride in what he or she is doing and not cave in to the bosses who try to make us kill crime so they can look good at 35th street because they want a promotion.
SOLUTION BOSS!!!
GET RID OF "TRU"
GET RID OF "SOS"
LIMIT P.O'S TO OCD UNITS
GET CIVILIANS TO DO MOST TASKS AT 35TH ST
WOW!!! LOOK! YOU'LL HAVE MORE DISTRICT
MAN POWER!!!!
SOUNDS TO LOGICAL!!!! NEVER MIND, CARRY ON*---------------------------You forgot getting all the abusers off medical and back on the streets.........
Anonymous said...
does ald. zalewski know bt cars protect ald burkes house , a landscaping business on the west end of 8 on the 1st watch , how about the park car only assigned to durkin park that car is paid by the park district to patrol all the parks wake up people
let the alderman know how many inside people are assigned to 8 on the 2nd watch
9/27/2007 08:30:00 AM
COME ON ALDERMAN BURKE YOU HAVE A HUGE DETAIL TIME FOR THE D-3 BOYS TO PUT ON A BLUE UNIFORM AND SIT IN FRONT, YOU HAVE WHAT 3 MILLION IN YOUR CAMPAIGN ACCOUNT> YOU COULD REIMBURSE THE OFFICERS! HOW ABOUT HIRING PRIVATE SECURITY? I KNOW THE COMMNADER OF 008 IS "YOUR GUY" AND YOU PUT HIM THERE BUT BE RESONABLE WE ARE IN A CRISIS EVEN YOU WNATED TO TAX ALL THE CARS AND TRUCKS DRIVING INTO DOWNTOWN, BUT YET YOU WASTE POLICE OFFICERS AS YOUR OWN PRIVATE ARMY?
Start a petition requesting an increase of police presence on 0811 & 0812's beats.
9/26/2007 07:43:00 PM
There IS a petition sponsered by Zalewski to divide the 008. It's in the local yellow paper every week...
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I have signed the petition to divide the 008th district. I'm also walking around at work having people sign it.
Dividing the districts can take years.
What do we do in the meantime?
dispacher jobs should go to retired CPD first. They have the experience, not the snot-nosed civilians working down there now. This is all due to Daley's cheapness, political demensia, and tremendous greed.
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I totally agree, everytime we are in a backlog and denied personals/lunch's etc we should get some kind of restitution for it. Hazard pay/d2/something, anything. These people working in cush districts (north side) have no clue what it's like, just absolutely no clue.
Way to stick together. Whether you want to believe it or not, the north side districts are suffering also. 018 was in a backlog all morning. All the districts are short manpower, so why are we separating outselves like that?
TO 829
OEMC POLICY, sanctioned by CPD and CFD, is for the calltakers to immediately transfer ANY calls to CFD that even APPEAR to be injury related so that an ambulance may be dispatched immediately, but as this post points out, leads to inevitable delays in gathering and processing pertinent information because the CFD calltakers are not asking the same questions the CPD calltakers need to know (they are not the same calltakers: different job titles, different duties, different unions). The entire set up at OEMC is outdated, archaic, and even dangerous because it promotes a two tiered system. But because its really about jobs, protecting patronage turf, and insulating accountability it wont be changed anytime soon. NO setup in the suburbs or any other big city operates this way anymore. Heil King Richie!!
hear you about 008, but what about 006. 006 is worse off than 008. Less sgts "2 left and went to 008". Less P.O.'s and they can't even get a break. Lunches denied every night, always in a back log SOS & TRU there almost every night clogging up the interview rooms and lock-up with quality of life arrests so when the officers in 006 make a pinch.....
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Are you fucking serious? Quality of life pinches by SOS? Get a fucking clue new guy. TRU, I have no clue about what they do and don't care but as far as SOS, we're the guys on surveillance bringing in QUALITY arrests tough guy. You are one of the very few in 006 that don't appreciate us there. Is that because we're all over the 5 TIPS in the whole district and you can't get your one rocker in the mouth off of 79th? Everytime we're there, everyone is happy we are there. We always back up all officers on jobs when we can and I'm personally insulted by your bullshit comments.
"we're the guys on surveillance bringing in QUALITY arrests tough guy"
QUALITY of Life has improved in that community?
You're making a difference & you have the results to prove it?
Really???
Give Santa Claus& the Easter Bunny a Kiss next time you see them.
YOU CLUELESS IGNORANT TOOL!!
WOW YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE THE OLD LADIES IN 010 AND 011.
DONT BE SCARED. INVITE YOUR PARTNERS OVER FOR DINNER AND MAKE THE ARREST OFF DUTY. USE SOME FORCE SO THE 008 DISTRICT HAS TO DO A PACKAGE.
I KNOW YOU DONT WANT TO GET FIRED.
I KNOW YOU ARE SCARED THE BANGERS ARE GOING TO KILL YOUR FAMILY.
JUST REMEBER THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU ARE TALKING TO A VICT. AND YOU TELL THEM THEY WILL BE SAFE IF THEY FILE THE COMPLAINT.
Well how about taking a few jobs....I don't think so, how many guns have you brought in in 006 this month Duh you can count them on 1/2 a hand. Go put on your swat gear and beat off. We don't need your help and did not ask for it. I know there are some good guys in SOS but now that we have TRU why do we need you ? Call your supervisor dad and have him get a spot for you before it's too late. I never claimed to be a tuff guy but I have 17 years on and I know we don't need you around here.
At the OEMC, we have a major problem due to lack of staffing, management changes and overall low morale. That is not the police or citizens problem to bear.
The majority of us who work there do the best job we can with what we have. In this incident, I feel for these dispatchers. It was a busy night and they sat down to a carry over backlog from 3rd watch. Somedays you are ready to deal with it, sometimes you just feel so despondent over not being able to do anything.
With the decline of the neighborhoods (not just those of you that live west of western....remember those of us who live in "da hood" also have to pay taxes) we also want a safe place for our families too. It is disparaging to sit and look at jobs pending 2 or 3 hours and hammering a couple of cars endlessly while their counterparts laydown, make endless traffic stops (I was told once it was about the #'s...that's why this is done) TRU, tact/gangs and SOS riding in the district going to hot jobs only to toss them back into pending because they can't get an arrest. Some nights a dispatcher just sits there and wonders why does it have to be like this.
Of course some of hour co-workers aren't the brightest bulb in the box....but hey let's face it, neither are some of yours. We bring their errors to the their attention, to the supv attention, to somebodies attention. But unfortunately the powers that be don't care. Just do the job. They don't fail them from training, they don't fail them on OJT, they are passed along and we all just hope for the best when we end up with someone who is not up to speed or should be flipping burgers at McDonalds.
All in all, we are a good crew and we respect the job that you all do. It wouldn't take much for you to respect the job that we do. We all want you to go home safe at the end of your 8hrs.
>>All in all, we are a good crew and we respect the job that you all do. It wouldn't take much for you to respect the job that we do. We all want you to go home safe at the end of your 8hrs.<<<
Anyone who doesn't believe this guy/gal should go down there and spend 8 hours with the best dispatcher on your zone. You'll understand where they are coming.
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>>dispacher jobs should go to retired CPD first. They have the experience, not the snot-nosed civilians working down there now. This is all due to Daley's cheapness, political demensia, and tremendous greed.<<
This is rich. Dispatcher jobs did go to retired CPD first. Something like 50 or 70 of them. Except for Mike D (RIP), not one of your retirees was willing to sit on zone 6, third watch. And these were mostly people with communications experience.
Who's next to stand on that wall? You officer whineyboy? As always, punk bitches like you are spouting shit out of your mouth because you don't have the first clue what you are talking about.
You wanna be a dispatcher, head on down and sit on zone 6 or 10 third watch, and see if your head doesn't explode. I guarantee you your retirees didn't want it.
dumbass
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