Tuesday, October 23, 2007

Manpower Shortage - Again

We're going to pick this comment apart, because we just don't remember it this way:
  • Sorry but crime is down, and I hate to inform you but there is no creative writing going on, Sgts. aren't telling beat officers to kill crime in their reports.
There's lots of creative writing going on. Burglaries are downgraded to criminal trespasses. Aggravated Batteries are written down to Simples. We understand that you can't hide dead bodies, but you can sure hide a lot of property crime if you try. They are actually talking about starting up the old Burglary mission team again - and that wouldn't be happening unless someone saw a spike in Burglaries.
  • Gentrification has had alot to do with it, knocking down the projects sent most to the south side(ares2) into areas once considered nice middle class black areas, and next thing you know there is dope dealing, shooting, fighting over turf. 012, 013, 021, all once busy districts have gentrifyed, sending all their crap into neighboring areas, 009, 008, 014, 025, 017 016, it has gotten busier in all those places now.
Gentrification has also contributed to the rising property crime in that the "pioneers" are becoming victims more often. It takes a number of years for rising property taxes to force the original inhabitants of a neighborhood out. Sometimes a decade or more. We'll say you called this one close.
  • Modern medicine has alot to do with it too.
A bit, yeah.
  • We have never had 13,500 officers, that is the total amount of sworn personnel of all ranks. Stop with the conspriracies and creating writing etc. it's not happening. The men and women who go out and do the job every day deserve a great deal of credit, under extremely difficult conditions.
Here's where we have problems with your argument. We remember a time when we were number 12,300 in the city. Back then, we were told that with dicks, sergeants, lieutenants, captains and exempts, we totaled 16,000. We also remember sitting roll call with two wagon crews, all the beat cars up, and this was on midnights. Afternoons ran a dozen rapids and occasionally, three wagons.

We think this 13,500 number is a recent invention and we really have to question the people who keep tossing it out there. A few posts back, we had someone telling us about the District Sergeant office with the sheets posted from a decade ago - there are less cops on the street and they can't ALL be hidden at HQ and in the Units. We figure we're down at least 1,000, maybe 1,500.

Debate welcome.

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35 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

HANG ON.....LT RESULTS WITHIN 5 DAYS!!!!!

10/23/2007 12:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember attending a 3rd Watch roll call that had a Captain, Field LT, 2 Sgts, 1 ET, 1 wagon, and 9 beat cars(all 2 man cars). Lets also add 2 '06 cars. Thats 25 blue shirts at an early roll call.

Then add to that Gangs West and Tact were working 011 that day. So add another 10 cars to that total.

AHHHH the good old days.

10/23/2007 01:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have no one in districts, beat cars down everyday many 1 man cars! The cars we drive are junks, with 100+miles, computers that don't work,radios with batteries that are constantly dead! And they call this state of the art, maybe daley-huberman can buy more cameras!

10/23/2007 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's lots of creative writing going on. Burglaries are downgraded to criminal trespasses. Aggravated Batteries are written down to Simples. We understand that you can't hide dead bodies, but you can sure hide a lot of property crime if you try. They are actually talking about starting up the old Burglary mission team again - and that wouldn't be happening unless someone saw a spike in Burglaries.

Property crime has been up for some time, if someone calls and says they were burglarized and you get there and there is damage to a door but no entry, its CDTP, you can't prove intent; if someone says entry is made but don't know if anything is taken it's CTTP, if they later determine something was missing they call the dets and it's upgraded by supp. If someone is shot, stabbed, beat with a pipe, etc. it's agg batt, you can't classify it a simple battery, now whether someone is charged accordingly is a whole other issue, you usually need to be near death to get a Agg Batt charge approved, at least in the County of Cook!
I stand by the 13,500 number, I have been on almost 15 yrs and that's always been the number I heard...

10/23/2007 02:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear all of you crying and whining about about Starks, but you could do a lot worse. He's a good guy. Don't listen to all the bull, form your own opinion. He was the real police and he might be one to push for some of the things you're all yelling about. Like more bodies on the streets. He was never afraid to speak up for what he wanted for his teams.

10/23/2007 04:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You do not hide the bodies, you just carry their dead people as death investigations pending further investigation.

Has Marie Maher yet explained the strange cases that Pam Zekman found and did they then become murders??

10/23/2007 04:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO 10-23-07,2:39am and 4:27am:
Dana dont you ever sleep?Oh I get it.You cant get this site at work...

10/23/2007 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was assigned a follow up on a burglary. With a little investigatory skills and a little luck managed to locate, arrest, and get a confession from the offender on committing said burglary.While looking for the original case report, I noticed that review had changed the classification from a burglary to a CTTL.

10/23/2007 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can also remember 34,000 candidates taking the police exam. Now you're lucky to get 5,000 on multiple exam days. Slim pickings!

10/23/2007 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

only saying it one more time gentrification and reverse white-flight. There is no debate.

10/23/2007 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work in a busier district, and we are in pretty good shape for manpower. I have friends in slower districts, and they are dying for manpower. Getting a day off in a slower district is much harder than getting one in a busier district. Remember back when they re-shuffled the FTO's and forced them into either going to a busier district or resigning the position? (Sadly, over 100 were forced to give up their spots because they refused to go back to the ghetto, from which many had just come) That's also when they stopped sending recruits to all districts, and began only sending them to busier districts. Their goal was to keep the busier districts stocked with manpower, and it worked. For the most part, the busier districts have kept their recruits, and as time has gone by, they've come off probation, and are now part of the watches. By doing this, 35th and Michigan doesn't have to move people into busier districts, because they are already there. In the meantime, the slower districts have been dying on the vine. I was in a slow district up until about 10 years ago, and their manpower has dropped from about 290 (during the CAPS hiring frenzy, and the days of getting recruits) to about 250.

10/23/2007 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
if someone calls and says they were burglarized and you get there and there is damage to a door but no entry, its CDTP, you can't prove intent;

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Wrong. If there is damage to an entry door or window in an attempt to make entry, the intent is assumed unless investigation proves otherwise per U.C.R. guidelines. It should be Classified as Burglary Attempt Forcible Entry 0630 and not CDTP.


"Anonymous said...
if someone says entry is made but don't know if anything is taken it's CTTP, if they later determine something was missing they call the dets and it's upgraded by supp.


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Well that sort of depends. Was forcible entry made, were things tossed about, was property destroyed? It could be A burglary attempt or it could be a burglary.

The only way that would be a CTTP is if No forcible entry was made and nothing in the home was disturbed because there is no UCR code for attempt unlawful entry burglary. It is either a CTTP or a burglary.

Intent for these classifications are assumed. Investigation can be used to establish or disestablish intent per UCR Guidelines.

One could go all day long and say gee we don't really KNOW the intent of this individual when the pried open the door to gain entry to the business. Maybe they were just seeking shelter. BLAH BLAH BLAH. Investigation should be used to disprove the intent to commit a felony or theft therein.


"Anonymous said...

If someone is shot, stabbed, beat with a pipe, etc. it's agg batt, you can't classify it a simple battery, now whether someone is charged accordingly is a whole other issue, you usually need to be near death to get a Agg Batt charge approved, at least in the County of Cook!...
10/23/2007 02:39:00 AM"


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I agree with you on the last paragraph.

10/23/2007 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was assigned a follow up on a burglary. With a little investigatory skills and a little luck managed to locate, arrest, and get a confession from the offender on committing said burglary.While looking for the original case report, I noticed that review had changed the classification from a burglary to a CTTL.

10/23/2007 08:16:00 AM

So any review officers out there want to comment? I would imagine they are not doing this on their own -- any whistleblowers in the house? Or just *&$#blowers?

10/23/2007 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dana did a good job at the City Council, explaining that obtaining CR#s is a common ploy by the criminal element to fuck with arresting officers, and putting their names out in public makes it unsafe for themselves and their families. Are you paying attention, citizenry? The criminals know how to play this game. Get a number and stigmatize the officers.

But then Dana says anyone with 5 should be brought in for review and possible discipline. WTF. If OPS calls it unfounded or not sustained, erase it!

10/23/2007 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I can also remember 34,000 candidates taking the police exam. Now you're lucky to get 5,000 on multiple exam days. Slim pickings!

10/23/2007 08:20:00 AM

36,000 when i took it, and today the only college kids taking this job are the ones who cannot find another dept to hire them! Lets hope we are not hiring the "7 years of college down the drain bunch", not meant to flame but just to make the college kids think about how really shitty this job on cpd is with the criminals in charge!

10/23/2007 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gentrification has had alot to do with it, knocking down the projects sent most to the south side(ares2)


The yuppies inceare the calls for service bec they call on anything. Just listen to 024's radio.

10/23/2007 10:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can also remember 34,000 candidates taking the police exam. Now you're lucky to get 5,000 on multiple exam days. Slim pickings!

That was in 1990, the economy was shit and everyone wanted this job for the security and benefits, fast forward to the 2000's and the economy is rolling along fine, even in a time of war, which is unprecedented(sp) unemployment is only around 4% and nobody wants to deal with what is required to try and do this job these days.....

10/23/2007 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know this heresy, but I am a patrolman that does not think we are understaffed. The personnel we have are just not properly assigned. It would be far better to offer an overtime program to the already trained officers than to get new-hires. And way cheaper for the city too! This Dept to too top heavy, and there are too many specialized units. The public wants officers to answer calls for service; that should be the priorty. They could and should demote the promotions of the past 5 years back to patrolman, that would solve the micro management and manpower issues in one fell swoop

10/23/2007 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hear all of you crying and whining about about Starks, but you could do a lot worse. He's a good guy.

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He was such a good guy that he was giving confidential information about CR investigations to Reverend Meeks. He was such a good guy that he refused to put supervisors where they were needed instead of where he wanted them to be. He was such a good guy that none of the upper exempt ranks trusted him with any sensitive information. He was such a good guy that the bosses whould routinely go above his head to Cline because they could not stand dealing with him.

Starks is the epitome of political corruption and racism. He only cares about Stroger and Meeks. He does not care about us.

10/23/2007 12:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea your right about Dana he is not afraid to speak his mind, it was nice of him to throw us under the bus at a city hall council meeting earlier in the year.

10/23/2007 12:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been on the job for slightly over 25 years, and I will tell you that they were killing crime even back then. This is nothing new.

10/23/2007 01:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

File a freedom information act for the "watch complement and field assignment reports" which were done away with probably about 5 years ago.
Check the number of po's assigned, then compare that to your district/watch today. You'll see the numbers are way down......

10/23/2007 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

scc not even happy with crime being down

not happy with murders being down

wow just retire

10/23/2007 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Want better cars out there? Quit fucking up what you're driving now!
I work in the traffic review board.
You wouldn't believe the nonsense that comes across our desks...some of these crashes are simply "beyond stupid!" And who is having most of these crashes?
Officers in the 26 to 32 yoa catagory, that's who. STOP DRIVING THROUGH LIGHTS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY. OBEY THE TRAFFIC LAWS YOURSELVES. AND QUIT LYING ABOUT ALL THE SO-CALLED "PARKING LOT DAMAGE." IT REALLY IS EMBARRASSING, NOT JUST READING IT, BUT BECAUSE SOMEONE WITH STRIPES DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE TO GO OUT TO THE LOT AND "INVESTIGATE" THESE BS REPORTS.
READ 'EM AND CHECK 'EM OUT BEFORE YOU SIGN OFF ON 'EM, SARGE...DON'T EMBARRASS YOURSELF!

10/23/2007 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

File a freedom information act for the "watch complement and field assignment reports" which were done away with probably about 5 years ago.
Check the number of po's assigned, then compare that to your district/watch today. You'll see the numbers are way down......

Those reports were useless.

10/23/2007 07:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He was such a good guy that he was giving confidential information about CR investigations to Reverend Meeks.
WHAT ABOUT PREVIOUS DEPUTY SUP'S WHO GAVE INFORMATION ON BOTH ADMIN AND CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS TO THE SUBJECTS OF THE INVESTIGATION? WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT STARKS??

He was such a good guy that he refused to put supervisors where they were needed instead of where he wanted them to be.
OH AND THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE?

He was such a good guy that none of the upper exempt ranks trusted him with any sensitive information.

I'LL LET U IN ON A SECRET, NONE OF THE UPPER EXEMPT RANKS TRUST EACH OTHER....
He was such a good guy that the bosses whould routinely go above his head to Cline because they could not stand dealing with him.
AGAIN, NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY...

10/23/2007 07:35:00 PM  
Anonymous follow the $$$ said...

Simple math:
13,500 Budgeted manpower (i.e. paychecks)
10,000 Actual manpower
3,500 remainder. – Goes right back to the City!

10/24/2007 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wrong. If there is damage to an entry door or window in an attempt to make entry, the intent is assumed unless investigation proves otherwise per U.C.R. guidelines. It should be Classified as Burglary Attempt Forcible Entry 0630 and not CDTP.

Sorry but there are NO assumption is case reporting, just facts, it would be CDTP.

One could go all day long and say gee we don't really KNOW the intent of this individual

Exactly why you don't assume on case reports, try telling felony review you assume something, you can't get a approval with an eyewitness and a statement half the time.....lol oh well

10/24/2007 02:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Want better cars out there? Quit fucking up what you're driving now!
I work in the traffic review board.
You wouldn't believe the nonsense that comes across our desks...some of these crashes are simply "beyond stupid!" And who is having most of these crashes?
Officers in the 26 to 32 yoa catagory, that's who. STOP DRIVING THROUGH LIGHTS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY. OBEY THE TRAFFIC LAWS YOURSELVES. AND QUIT LYING ABOUT ALL THE SO-CALLED "PARKING LOT DAMAGE." IT REALLY IS EMBARRASSING, NOT JUST READING IT, BUT BECAUSE SOMEONE WITH STRIPES DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE TO GO OUT TO THE LOT AND "INVESTIGATE" THESE BS REPORTS.
READ 'EM AND CHECK 'EM OUT BEFORE YOU SIGN OFF ON 'EM, SARGE...DON'T EMBARRASS YOURSELF!


You are EMBARRASSING!!!!!
Hey Jagoff. it's called taking care of one another, STUPID. Go back to kissing ass and crucnching your numbers you fucking house mouse traffic review board knee pad wearing piece of shit.
Sarge knows. Many times PO will tell Sagre what happpend, Sarge will say, I got it kid no need to take a day for this fucking place who does not give a fuck about you or me.

But then again you don't know about taking care about one another. And to any of you asswipes be fore you start. No I am not talking about covering up stealing and stick up's and shit like that ok, just simple brothers in blue I got your back you got mine. no big deal. Maybe we should try that once in a while for our own sake.

10/24/2007 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumor has it that Richie is thinking of community service officers to just write parkers and ANOVS and reduce POs in the districts mostly 1,18,19,23,12,and 9-during sox games-Out of towners only
Remember the contract is up boys
Remember the old detail unit

10/24/2007 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Sorry but there are NO assumption is case reporting, just facts, it would be CDTP.

One could go all day long and say gee we don't really KNOW the intent of this individual

Exactly why you don't assume on case reports, try telling felony review you assume something, you can't get a approval with an eyewitness and a statement half the time.....lol oh well

10/24/2007 02:27:00 AM


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I can show you in writing in the UCR handbook where what I stated is a burglary attempt and where it says INVESTIGATION can be used to disestablish intent.

Reporting vs. Charging. I am right you are wrong. Not CDTP Burglary Attempt UCR 0630.

CDTP would assume that the mere intent was to damage the door, per UCR guidelines that is an attempt to make entry hence a burglary attempt.

Learn kid.

UCR Handbook

10/25/2007 07:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can show you in writing in the UCR handbook where what I stated is a burglary attempt and where it says INVESTIGATION can be used to disestablish intent.

Correct, an investigation where there are no assumptions, if you have damage to a door and nothing further, there is no way to determine intent so it is cdtp, kid,

10/26/2007 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happened to the 100 a month they were hiring a few years back?

10/26/2007 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old days , bring them back please. when the union gave up rotating watches in 1993 is when the death bell sounded for the CPD.

10/26/2007 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The best way to verify how many people we have is look at the number of uniform checks cut. Does anybody have an exact number?

10/27/2007 10:28:00 AM  

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