How About This Statistic?
- City crime down for first 9 months of year
October 21, 2007
Chicago Police on Saturday said all crimes, aside from arson, decreased in the last nine months. Compared with the period in 2006, violent crime decreased 3 percent, police said. Homicides and criminal sexual assaults dropped 3.9 percent, robbery 4 percent and aggravated assault 5 percent. Police cite continued efforts to reduce gang activity and the use of technology and partnerships to shut down open-air drug markets. Property crimes decreased 5.7 percent, motor vehicle theft dropped 18 percent, general theft 4.2 percent and burglary, 0.2 percent. Arson, however, rose by 3.6 percent
From our comment's section:
- So stop your bitching, burglary is down .02 percent!!!
From SCC:
- How much is Criminal Trespass up? To auto, to land, to building?
Because we could name a hundred addresses right now where a forcible entry was made to commit a theft therein - to wit, copper pipe. Somehow, it seems to fit the Burglary statute, but all too often, all we see is a Criminal Trespass charge.
Lies, damn lies and statistics - killing crime via paper.
Lies, damn lies and statistics - killing crime via paper.
Labels: crime
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
157 Comments:
all bullshit-look at the fax messages-there are multiple agg batts with firearms all over the city. i know for a fact that most beat/rapid officers arent making the arrests that they were making say 3 yrs ago. but the suckasses on tru and tact are bringing in a those great numbers-trp's dopw 1 baggers pissers sub's when will u idiots learn???
OFF TOPIC:
Lt's test results will be mailed out and should be in sgt's home mailboxes on Wednesday or Thursday.
This is from a high ranking exempt!
Coppers getting jammed??
That's way up!!
I wrote before asking about the decline in the murder rate, and nobody responded.
You really think they lowered the murder rate by 3.9% "via paper"?
That's just silly. And there's a bigger problem here. Cops, especially cops who've been around for a few years, hate to admit that the murder rate was so high because nobody in the department nor in the city cared. It's so much easier to think that black people just kill each other.
But what happened in 2003 is that the department changed tactics, and the murder rate suddenly plummeted. It suddenly became clear that blacks aren't particularly violent. It suddenly became clear that the 3-decade murder spree in this city resulted mostly from cynical police strategies, allowed by city hall, but ultimately chosen by commander after commander, because they were essentially racist. And a lot of cops on the street bought into the idea that there was nothing the police could do. It made life a lot easier than thinking maybe the free-fire zones on the South and West sides were a direct result of police stagnation.
So now, everyone wants to pretend like nothing's changed, because to admit it, you'd have to change your whole way of looking at the world.
The murder rate didn't fall in 2003 because yuppies suddenly moved into Harrison in 2003. It fell because of the new tactics. It's stayed down, and continues to decline, because of tactics. Yeah, everyone would rather spend their wee hours in Sauganash, but we don't need so many police in Sauganash. We need them in Pilsen and the SE side and Humboldt Park.
You need to admit it. Nobody is faking murder rates. The crime rate is down because of the change in tactics.
why are arsons up. it taught roland p had b-a under control.
FOP, when is the vote of NO CONFIDENCE against Starks?
When are we, as a fraternal organization, going to defend ourselves from his racist, destructive ways?
Hey, SCC...a lot of the "killing crime" isn't the fault of the CPD.
The State's Attorney's office has a problem approving burglary charges on a lot of bonafide cases.
Say you come across a man walking down the street with a water heater, still in the box. By investigation, you determine that a building under construction has been burglarized, and the water heater in question was stolen from inside this secured premise. The owner comes forward with documented proof the water heater recovered is his property...if no one actually saw the offender bust in or come out of that premise with the stolen water heater, no felony charges will be approved. Not a felony theft, not a burglary charge. Happens all the time. Thefts and burglaries from rehabbed properties are going through the roof, but Felony Review is not budging.
what about all the pedestrians getting killed by reckless drivers?
4 days without anyone saying that Capt. John Graeber is the best Captain ever. even better then John Farrell. what a screwed up department when we idolize a merit hack like Graeber....
Hair gel sales up 75 per cent in the city.
STOP IT ALREADY ! Thanking the boss for letting you have a regular car so you can work, Thanking them for letting you add two days to your furlough, thanking them for granting you an hour on the end of which they burn your slip, etc etc...now I understand the hair gel. It's there so you can stick your head up the bosses ass.
Garbage in; garbage out.
CPD Part I crime stats are nothing more than an enhanced version of the NYPD's "COMSTAT".
Does this mean I can get 2 green ribbons?
How many times are you told "make that a "CTTL"? I believe they were caught in the 80's "killing Crime" is that what is happening again? Guess history repeats itself!
"Police cite continued efforts to reduce gang activity and the use of technology and partnerships to shut down open-air drug markets".
Oh God, stop it..my sides are hurting from laughing..
TECHNOLOGY? TECHNOLOGY? My "new" PDT (car computer for you visitors) hasn't been in range or working for the last 2 days. My radio battery last 6 hrs on a good day,and the pod cameras are as fuzzy and choppy as hell. "TECHNOLOGY"? Stop it already.
Interesting concept,"Crime down". Doesn't seem that way on warm nights in the southside districts. Tell the victims' families that,"Crime is down"...yeah ok.
Koolaide for everyone!
you realize these stats are based on the UCR codes, not the charges, right?
Off Topic-This week Chicago hosts the Boxing Championship. This will be the last time the City will have a chanch to show off to the Olympic Board. If it goes bad you can kiss 2016 goodbye. I would only be in favor of 2016 if it could put more money into our pension fund,currently funded at 50%.
The apathetic public just doesn't care. They have no idea.
Saw this on the news (channel 2) this weekend. I guess all the SCC readers concerns of being under maned, bad radios , worn out squads, under gunned are unreasonable and unfounded............
Any explanation or theories on why these crime results came out this way? Surly this can't be true?
A question, how are these statitics compiled and released?
Are they all inclusive of all robbery, burglary, csa, etc.... or individually released counting only the 0281's and 0263's - or 0610-0620-0630 and -650's just to mention two catagories.
For sure 0610's are down because if it hasn't been downgraded to a 0630 it's made a 1310-cdtp or a 0890-theft from building, and mosy thefts from person are downgraded to 5070-lost property.
And now within the last 2 months since the command change has gone into place there are an unusual amount of 5080 and 5081's that have been used.
Just wondering how these stats are juggled. Anyone know the answer, how are the numbers compiled and what numbers really get released???
just like NYC, cline followed what was done in the NYPD to the letter.
read guillani's book, it spells out TRU and using units as band aid fixes, way of life arrests and how gambling leads to homicides
we saturate an area,crimes against persons is SUPPOSED to decrease
while in reality crimes against property and persons INCREASES in the tax paying districts where police service is deemed optional
stealing from peter to pay paul in order to have mobile units is not the way...TRU is a good idea ONLY as long as the districts are manned...take the hill then have the manpower to hold it
Contract? Who cares about a contract. Every new one just gets worse each time. Medical keeps going up, it used to be free. What ever deal the union cuts will suck, period. Just go out and have fun at work, I do!
point in case: I personally observed the desk sgt in 023 twist and turn what was a bonafide CSA into a simple battery. what a joke
To the person who was talking about crime being down because of DIFFERENT tactics.
Yes there are different tactics, it is called " redistricting" - that is all that has been done. Taken officers out of slow districts and put them in TRU, etc. This way there is no Political backlash for really and truely Redistricting.
Crime is down because of us in TRU!!!!! Go cry you wannabes!!!!!
I would like to see how many of these Burglaries, rapes, etc etc are downgraded immediately by the lazy, do nothing, take more time to explain the benefits of the KMA club than write paper/make notifications/properly classify these crimes. I mean how many times have you heard "nuttin I can Do" or "its a civil matter kid" or "Ill be back if I catch the guy" or "19-Paul nuttin here". The problem with this department isnt the tact/tru comin in with BS its the lazy dog ass slobs that make up 90% of 2nd watch throughout the city. There is this sense of entitlement that "hey, kid, been there done that...Im here to relax." I mean have you seen the 2nd watch around here??? The 300lb fat ass who couldnt pass a physical, much less catch a bad guy. PLEASE RETIRE!!! Have you ever seen KMS mother fuckers backing anyone up? What about rushing to a priority job? (especially if the offender is in custody or on scene?) fuck no... these pussies tool around looking for any way possible to do NOTHING! Some may say that bringing in "quality of life" arrests is pimpy and qualify as "ass-sucking" I say it's doing work! And no wonder the KMA dog asses hate it...they hate anything that resembles work... you wanna know why crime reporting is innaccurate? Blame it on the baby boomer lazy fucks that make up a big percent of this department. look no further than 2nd watch roll call. Here's a noble thought... DO YOUR FUCKING JOB! put down the paper, let go of the bear claw and DO YOUR JOB!
NEW GENERAL ORDER:
Cook County ASA's will only approve burglary charges for copper pipe bandits if the offender is inventoried and sent to the Illinois State Police Crime Lab where he tested positive for copper.
Heat sealing the bag the offender is in will result in an automatic CR#. The offender WILL NOT be sent via police mail; he must be hand-carried.
The murder rate didn't fall in 2003 because yuppies suddenly moved into Harrison in 2003. It fell because of the new tactics.
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WRONG!!!
It fell because over 50,000 project residents/occupants were transported to the suburbs. DONT FOOL YOURSELF!! Murderers don't care how many tickets are getting written in the DOC.
"But what happened in 2003 is that the department changed tactics, and the murder rate suddenly plummeted."
TACTICS? THAT'S RICH!! THIS IS THE TACTIC UTILIZED HOUSING PROJECTS WERE DEMOLISHED, HORNER HOMES GONE! ROBERT TAYLOR GONE, CABRINI GREEN GONE, ABLA HOMES GONE.
IT'S MORE THAN APPARENT YOU ARE EITHER AN ACTIVE 35TH STREET COWARD, OR A RETIRED GOLD STAR BUCKING FOR SOME BS POSITION & TRYING TO RATIONALIZE YOUR INCOMPETENCE.
point in case: I personally observed the desk sgt in 023 twist and turn what was a bonafide CSA into a simple battery. what a joke
10/22/2007 09:42:00 AM
What??? Why put this crap on the blog? You make no point other than what you think should of been done. How can a Desk Sgt change the category in the first place. Most CSA are bogus claims (I'd say something like 90% on the south side) because they are completely made up and should never have been given a CSA ucr code in the first place. What do you mean, you observed??? Did you have any input or were you even part of the investigation? Are the shoe shine man?
The reporting officer should find out more facts from the victim and determine if the victim is lying. I do realize it's very hard to prove the victim's lying as a first responder/officer, but often times a few tricks can help get the victim to admit the lie that they were covering up (baby daddy drama, free birth control, curfew violation and doing a train and feel ashamed, etc).
The detectives end up killing many cases based on complete fabrication by the victim.... sometimes with the parents consent...belief it or not....
I've had to investigate many !!!!! That's not a bogus claim!!! On your claim, there was probably some type of relationship and no outcry and/or failure to report in a reasonable time and no eveidence....what are your facts?
Remember how they count. You get three people shot, one doa. Case report is 0110 with one victim counted. The other two agg batts victims aren't counted in the stats.
IF CRIME IS DOWN MAY BE THE CITY WILL LET US MOVE OUT OF THE CITY.
UNLESS IT SOME KIND OF PUNISHMENT.
WE HAVE BOXING,THE BEAN, LEAD TAINTED BEACHES AND PISS BUMS STEALING WIRES.
IF IT GOES UP OR DOWN WE DONT GET A BONUS. SO WHY SHOULD A BEAT OFFICER
GET ALL EXCITED. WHEN IT STARTS GOING BACK UP I STILL WILL GET PAID THE SAME.
10/22/2007 01:20:00 AM
You are absolutely wrong. Gentrification has everything to do with crime/murder rate. All you have to do is look at East Garfield Park being rated as top 10 up and coming neighborhoods IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!
Look at Humboldt Park, Bucktown, Wicker Park. Look at the gentrification. It is NOT what it used to be. The projects are gone, up are condos. Look at Cabrini Green. What 20-30 homicides or more yearly? Now only 2? C'mon man, get with it. It has nothing to do with police, or cameras, it has everything to do with reverse white-flight and gentrification.
But what happened in 2003...the murder rate suddenly plummeted. It suddenly became clear that blacks aren't particularly violent. It suddenly became clear that the 3-decade murder spree in this city resulted mostly from cynical police strategies...commander after commander, because they were essentially racist.
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Let me see if I got this right. After the police intervened, Blacks became less violent? What a racist statement.
Anonymous said...
NEW GENERAL ORDER:
Cook County ASA's will only approve burglary charges for copper pipe bandits if the offender is inventoried and sent to the Illinois State Police Crime Lab where he tested positive for copper.
Heat sealing the bag the offender is in will result in an automatic CR#. The offender WILL NOT be sent via police mail; he must be hand-carried.
10/22/2007 10:18:00 AM
great stuff, funny
What about bribery,official misconduct,extortion,nepotisim,cronyism,fraud,mail fraud,money laundering.
Thats not even leaving city hall.
Anonymous said...
"Police cite continued efforts to reduce gang activity and the use of technology and partnerships to shut down open-air drug markets".
Oh God, stop it..my sides are hurting from laughing..
TECHNOLOGY? TECHNOLOGY? My "new" PDT (car computer for you visitors) hasn't been in range or working for the last 2 days. My radio battery last 6 hrs on a good day,and the pod cameras are as fuzzy and choppy as hell. "TECHNOLOGY"? Stop it already.
10/22/2007 08:12:00 AM
When will you fools wake up?
It's not the flatfoot that defeat crime, it's the desk jockey at HQ that is saving the city.
If the department put all of us inside on a desk there would be zero crime in the city.
Time to put an addition onto HQ to accommodate all of us.
" you really think they lowered the murder rate 3.9% via paper ?"
No, via the destruction of Abla, Taylors, Cabrini, Rockwell etc...
I hope you are not a police officer. If so, that is truly scary. You seem to be brain washed.
The homicide rate was on a steady decline before 2003. This was happenening for a host of reasons. Very little had to do with seat belt missions or wolf packing.
The aggressive police were always doing their job. The murder rate didn't suddenly plummet because of some miracle tactic.
...put down the paper, let go of the bear claw and DO YOUR JOB!
10/22/2007 10:05:00 AM
Junior, I'll keep doing what I do and you keep whining like a little bitch.
I'll keep working days for the next 22 years. You keep crying because you can't get days.
Got to go, I need to get another cup of coffee.
Hey, SCC...a lot of the "killing crime" isn't the fault of the CPD.
The State's Attorney's office has a problem approving burglary charges on a lot of bonafide cases.
Say you come across a man walking down the street with a water heater, still in the box. By investigation, you determine that a building under construction has been burglarized, and the water heater in question was stolen from inside this secured premise. The owner comes forward with documented proof the water heater recovered is his property...if no one actually saw the offender bust in or come out of that premise with the stolen water heater, no felony charges will be approved. Not a felony theft, not a burglary charge. Happens all the time. Thefts and burglaries from rehabbed properties are going through the roof, but Felony Review is not budging.
Felony review is right, if he wan't seen in the commission, no burglary or theft, all you have is poss of stolen prop.
Jennifer Manning 022 soon to be meritorious lieutenant! FR's girl.
Her sister Capt. R. Webster 005 to be named commander of 022, bet on it.
you realize these stats are based on the UCR codes, not the charges, right?
No they don't, they are too worried about making everything a conspiracy....
The only people who care about crime stats are the pols, developers, and people who live or want to move to a community. They have no impact on you or your job. The stats will not cause beats or districts to be realigned nor will they determine how many police officers will be hired or replaced- that is determined by money.
So all the complaining is for nothing. Who really cares if it is a burglary or a CTTL? Who cares if it is an agg batt or a simple batt? Who cares if crime is being killed?
Every city does this. Every state does it, even the Feds do it. It is nothing new and will keep going on. Why get mad over something you have no control over or cannot change?
You people seem to forget one very important thing. You are employees! You do not run or manage the department. Employees do what they are told and go where they are told to go. All the crying in the world will not change that.
The guy on the assembly line at the factory has no imput into how the company is managed. You people take yourselves wayyyyyy too seriously. You have a job- it is a job- and you are supposed to do what the boss tells you.
If you do not like it quit. Most of you would remain unemployed for the rest of your lives because it is the same in private industry. You just cannot hack being told what to do and how to do it. Bunch of losers!
If you are so very concerned about honesty and integrity, then do whatever it takes to get promoted and see if you will be allowed to change things.
My bet is you will be dumped real fast.
Wolf Pack Missions Work!!!
You need to admit it. Nobody is faking murder rates. The crime rate is down because of the change in tactics.
Whoever wrote the above shit is a fucking idiot. Murder is down becuase they will spend millions keeping these dirtbags alive.
This city is a melting pot. Right away its racism. Go take a walk on the west side at about 10:00PM and lets see how nice those people treat you. Fuck you liberal
Hoo! Hoo! you got to love all those section 8 housing units popping up on Northwest Hwy. Just like going up Long Ave. into 016. The ghetto is coming to 016 real fast.
Crime isn’t killed because and offender was charged with criminal trespass or theft when he should have been charged with a burglary. Crime is killed when a P.O. classifies a case report as a criminal trespass or a theft from building instead of a Burglary. Case reporting is the problem. The younger P.O.’s don’t know any better and when they call for a Sgt. He doesn’t know or is trying to protect his watch by telling the P.O. to make an attempt burglary a damage to property, make a Burglary unlawful entry a theft from building and this way his watch appears to be keeping major crime down. Then you have the problem of the supervisors having the P.O’s make hospitalization case reports, death, instead of general offense reports Homicide. The crime stats come from the Case reports that get entered into the computer system.
The truth is lazy PO's who code out every job are responsible for the decrease in crime. If the beat car took a report for all the calls for service that had a real crime occure the city would look like crap. This is the lazy PO making the city look good. 19P is reasponsible for the decrease in crime.
I am guessing whatever progress has been made in reducing crime is mostly due to tearing down the crime sanctuaries (AKA public housing projects).
these are the greatest words a watch commander can hear..squad give me a rd for 0890
10/22/2007 01:20:00 AM
What flavor Kool-Ade are you drinking ? Starting in 2003 we shipped a whole bunch of potential murderers out of the city and into the suburbs with the demolition of high-rise projects. Now, slick up your hair with some colege prep gel and try another flavor of Kool-Ade.
When the murderers move away so do the murders.
Check the suburban stats where all the project rats moved. Not a pretty picture.
Now they are "keepin it real" in the burbs instead of in Chicago.
You need to admit it. Nobody is faking murder rates. The crime rate is down because of the change in tactics.
10/22/2007 01:20:00 AM
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Stop sniffing glue and lay off the CAPS meetings man. A huge reason why the murder rate is lower because of all the high rise CHA sh*thole buildings have been knocked down. Are you going to tell me next that the blue light camera helped bring down the murder rate too. LOL.
the murder rate fell in 2003 in 011 because of the jump-out boys. not that they were good or bad, but there was a car on every corner. the shitheads got searched like 10 times a night. they couldn't kill anybody. then u put sos, tru and the beat cars on top of that. you are going to stop some crime. back then u couldn't drive a hundred feet without seeing a street stop.
we saturate an area,crimes against persons is SUPPOSED to decrease
while in reality crimes against property and persons INCREASES in the tax paying districts where police service is deemed optional
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Why does downtown give two sh*ts about some sh*theads with 2-10 page rap sheets anyway. Let them kill each other. Bid out of the ghetto and protect the homeland where there are legitimate victims and not one criminal ripping off/killing/raping another.
I really do not understand all this anger. It is nice to have a site like this to vent anonymously. In reality, most of you are just blowing smoke.
If you wanted to effectively change things you would take coordinated and cooperative action.
I especially dislike those who CLAIM to just show up and do nothing. Who are you kidding?
Let's get real. This is a job. You picked it- faults and all. You have an obligation to work. You are entitled to nothing. If you pulled some of these so called do nothing stunts in private industry you would be living in poverty.
The citizens do not care. All they want is to be able to dial 911 and see your smiling face when they have a problem. They would also like to see you patrol their street once in a while. The only place they ever see the police is when they go to the coffee shop or the conveinience store. They see you hanging out like gangbangers.
Most of you are afraid of your own shadow to begin with. When was the last time you had the balls to ask a boss a serious question about some of the problems. Or, are these so called problems just your own personal issues?
You whiners and cry babies are just as much of an embarassment to this job as those who cause the scandals. It is not the city's job to promote you or get you a spot. It is your job. If you want something then go after it and do what you have to do. Crying and pissing and moaning about someone else who got something is just your denial about being a failure.
The adage about government is true- you get the government you deserve. I guess we have the police department we deserve; cry babies, whiners, entitlement whores, and lazy dogs rear ends.
Brattonfan you are idiot! or at least a piss-ant cronie of some brass, mayors office or a bullshit reverend!
If you honestly believe that our command staff in conjunction with the mayors do not fudge the numbers to make crime stats more suitable for their needs then you better just click your heels and go back to Kansas with Dorthy right now.
Whether there are 600 homicides or 900 homicides the numbers say the same story. 90% of them are committed by the same people in the same places over the same crap! No strategy in the world can stop one person from walking up to another person and killing them (if thats what they have set out to do)
The reason we have to have these stratagies and pull policemen from their assigned areas is soley because the city has depleted our manpower to criticly low levels.
You think we dont need police in Sauganash? If you look at the unfudged numbers, what do you think has happened to the stats in the neighborhoods that have had their policemen taken away from them on a daily basis? Burglaries, robberies, PSMV, batteries, assaults and more have skyrocketed. Do you think opportunistic criminals do not know that those areas (where money and goods are plentiful) are lacking police. Its like a free for all! Not to mention how unsafe it is for the officers who are stuck working in understaffed areas.
Stratagies are great and there is a great need for the police to continue to be aggressive and constantly adapting to how the criminal enterprises work, but if you think depleting areas of the city of policemen to supplement other areas when the city is already critically low in manpower is the key and the reason for the drop in homicides then you are just plain dumb.
Any updates on Mette v. Iowa?
Ah the great spin facter!! Crime is down in crap areas of the city, A/3 has seen a 90% increase in violent crime.
I don't even think there were any projects in the test district of Harrison.
And they'd been removing people from the projects for years, but the murder rate fell suddenly in 2003. It fell first and most dramatically in Harrison, where they tested the new tactics, and then it fell in a dozen violent districts when they expanded the tactics.
The guy who said "new tactics" meant guys were removed from some districts and moved to others was more honest. The biggest factor is just flooding areas deemed hot with officers. The computer statistics help you do that - mostly by tracking shots fired, which was one of the big Bratton/Giuliani changes - instead of treating calls about shots fired as 'oh well, I guess we're too late, but thanks for letting us know.' they treated shots fired as an indication of likely murders.
If somebody wants to make the argument that we need more cops, so we can have tactical response AND burglary detectives in the wealthier districts, I will back them up 100%. What I fear is back-sliding -- people ignoring the fact that the changed tactics, or whatever you want call it, produced a new city, where poorer neighborhoods are a lot less violent than they were. We're closing in on the murder rate in the 50's, back when the murderers were poor Irish, Polish and Italian dudes.
In a way, it's like we finally won the Civil War -- we figured out how to establish peace and order in a community of southerners. (Violence was and still is worse in the south, among blacks and whites, a legacy of slavery.)
And as for "explaining it to the familiies of the victims", the trick with what you're saying is that it's very difficult to pinpoint the 1,000 people who WOULD BE HOMICIDE VICTIMS if it were not for the changes from 2003. That includes the 60 or 80 kids who would have died in cross-fires and inaccurate shots, but instead are alive. So it's tough to go explaining to their families that "hey, you can thank us that little Juanito is still around."
That's the truth. Or maybe the TRUth. And I'm not a TRU officer, nor even a cop. Just an intested observer who can't believe that so few people even recognize what happened. What I really fear is that we're doomed to repeat the 70's in the suburbs, where the 150 splintered jurisdictions have no way of bringing in help when things get hot, and where a corrupt drug ring could easily get hold of a local police department (and arguably it's already happened in a couple places.)
If we don't learn the lessons of 2003, we'll be living with the violence of 1973 and 1993 again soon.
That's just silly. And there's a bigger problem here. Cops, especially cops who've been around for a few years, hate to admit that the murder rate was so high because nobody in the department nor in the city cared. It's so much easier to think that black people just kill each other.
But what happened in 2003 is that the department changed tactics, and the murder rate suddenly plummeted. It suddenly became clear that blacks aren't particularly violent. It suddenly...
BLACKS ARENT PARTICULARLY VIOLENT?
Are you fucking nuts? Ive been a policeman for 15years on the south side and I could on one hand the murders by whites I have seen as to HUNDREDS in the black communities. Where do you get your statistics from jesse or al?
It fell because over 50,000 project residents/occupants were transported to the suburbs. DONT FOOL YOURSELF!! Murderers don't care how many tickets are getting written in the DOC.
Most of the people in Horner got to stay in the new housing. That was the only big west side project. The change had nothing to do with people being moved out, and everything to do with cops.
Or maybe you think it was CeaseFire. Do tell.
Anonymous said...
NEW GENERAL ORDER:
Cook County ASA's will only approve burglary charges for copper pipe bandits if the offender is inventoried and sent to the Illinois State Police Crime Lab where he tested positive for copper.
Heat sealing the bag the offender is in will result in an automatic CR#. The offender WILL NOT be sent via police mail; he must be hand-carried.
10/22/2007 10:18:00 AM
NOW THAT'S JUST DOWNRIGHT HYSTERICAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but, also probably very near to the truth.
12:56AM
True, true my friend. Just wait until the news gets ahold of the 009 district officers stealing from boxcars. Asshats!!! R.R, L.S, A.R and a PPO yet to be named are shitting themselves with fear. The hacks got caught burglarizing on Feds tape! Word at work is that Roy is trying to keep the info. under wraps, but it somehow already leaked. Sorry Gene-O.
Hey Rico! Don't drop the soap when you go to jail. You hack!
-009 officer
I work at callback, and we get genuine burglary reports kicked back by district commander orders to make it a theft instead ALL the time. there is your way they lower crime stats.
Well. Isn't that special!
Anybody hear how the Police Executive Research Forum (PERF) is doing on its "nationwide search" for our next top cop?
I think it just might be an "insider". After all, in the CPD, the cream always rises to the top. Oh yeah!
More cowbell!
LMAO!
1 - Tactics?? How about banishment to the burbs or the project dwellers and the vast improvement of emergency medical care.
2 - Caught with stolen merch outside after a burglary, no witness, no evidence other than the stolen property and no admission; No burglary charges. But you do have a 0610 on paper! And he is charged with Poss. Stolen Property (NOT LOST/MISLAID PROPERTY)
3 - If you do the paper the way it's supposed to be and your district review draws a line thru the classification to downgrade it, the detective division review upgrades it right back to where it's supposed to be. IF YOU HAVE THE ELEMENTS IN YOUR CASE!
4 - Stats are compiled by 01xx, 02xx, 03xx, etc. Charges have nothing to do with the stats except for clearing purposes.
"But what happened in 2003 is that the department changed tactics, and the murder rate suddenly plummeted."
Check the crime stats in the suburbs that all the CHA residence were relocated to and you will make up the difference plus a lot more crime than they ever had.
Crime is down in the last 9 months and I've been on the job 9 months. Coincidence? I think not!
Does that mean another crime reduction award? LoL How about Richie and Dana stop hurting themselves trying to pat their own backs!
Is the academy now the new spot for former SOS sgts? So how many SOS sgts does it take to work at the academy? What do they do all day?
How about a new BS award for takin care of yoyur friends!!! Our tax dollars at work!!
Where is FOP? Silence
What about all the illegals that drive with no liscense? Sorry Richie wants a safe haven
Is there any police work going on anywhere? Everybody is afraid to make arrests
Is this why my property value is up and so much more taxes?
Its crumbling folks and nobody seems to care!!!
Welcome to Detriot I mean Chicago
Gee another award!
Olympics!!!!! Here we come!! LoL
Like to see the new event of Bosses doing Cheetah flips and kissin their own asses
Chicks will dig my new awardz
Can I still get the Starbucks for free? Isnt that why its green n white
Hair gel sales up 75 per cent in the city.
Who the hell uses gel anymore??? I'm a control paste man. Gel is for sissies.
THIS IS OFF THE TOPIC , RUMOR HAS IT THAT MAYOR BLOOMBERG MAYOR OF NEW YORK WILL RESIGN, AND THAT SEISER WILL MAKE A BID FOR MAYOR OF NEW YORK. THE BIG APPLE WANMTS SOMEONE WHO WILL RUN IT AND THAT PERSON IS SEISER.
LIE:s just like we hAVE 13.500 POLICE OFFICERS AND THE CITY RUNS WELL...ALL CRIME IS UP,THE CHANGE THE CHARGE
TO THE POSTER OF:
"The murder rate didn't fall in 2003 because yuppies suddenly moved into Harrison in 2003. It fell because of the new tactics."
"Tactics"? if you call knocking down the projects and shipping the occupants out to suburbia, "tactics", you're a goof!
Funny thing about these computers.I can look at the recorder of deeds website and search ANYONES name. I can find a pin number and use the county assessors office to find the address. From there I have a picture of it. Thats how I know that JF has a few more $$$$$ than you think. I guess he had a run in with the IRS..
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See for yourself. You can find anyone with a house. Hell Phil Cline took out a whole bunch of mortgages on his place.Be careful, all you need is a name to put you and your family at risk.The FOP site doesnt seem like that big of a risk anymore.
Harv for fop president and Jack to take Frankie d's spot.
Coppers getting jammed??
That's way up!!
10/22/2007 12:56:00 AM
I dont mean to laugh.......but LMFAO
thats some funny shit
In the early 90s over 900 murders a year. Now just over 300. The way I see it they should cut the Detective Division by a third, put those men on foot posts and have them start wrriting parkers. Feed the beast more money. We also need casino gambling at three locations. The first at about 501 North Cicero. The second on the tip of Navy Pier. The third at say King Drive and say 79th or so. In addition the possession of weed, powder cocaine, and herione should be legalized and taxed. Feed the beast, its all good.
Good solid police work and modern tactics had its effects. However; razing the jets, relocating criminals to the burbs (check the crime stats in South Holland, Dalton, Harvey) and especially “Roe v Wade” did the yeoman share of lowering crime.
Crime is down because of us in TRU!!!!! Go cry you wannabes!!!!!
10/22/2007 09:58:00 AM
Are you fucking kidding me. You strokes really have to stop patting yourselves on the back and praising yourselves. It's really unappealing. Your holier than thou attitudes and your lack of time and experience is the reason most cops from any dist or unit can't stand you rubbers. You all think you are "elite", well I hate to be the one to break it to you three year wonders (as I can tell you are just from your dumb ass comment) but you're far from "elite" cops, "elite strokes" yes. Cops, no!!!
Actually, the poster is correct. Cameras flooded Chicago Ave. on the West Side. "Safe Summer" it's first year concentrated exclusively on the West Side. SOS was even camped out between 011 and 015. And of course, the murder rates plummeted. Tactics changed, and the numbers on the West Side changed.
It suddenly became clear that blacks aren't particularly violent.
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The only thing that is becoming "suddenly clear" is that you are an idiot with an agenda. As mentioned, a large population of criminal element (along with decent people) have been relocated to the suburbs. The only person that should get a crime reduction ribbon is the mayor. You mentioned tactics, what tactics? Seat belt missions AFTER a homicide? Mini edge missions? TRU? These are hardly crime killers. Your post is just an emotional rant to paint everyone who will not "admit it" as a racist. You need to be a little more grounded in reality. Crime rates are higher in the African American communities. It doesnt make someone a racist for seeing it, but it makes you a fool for ignoring it.
You seem to be in some sort of denial and are insinuating that the murder and crime rate could have been lowered a long time ago if the racist police would have modified their tactics sooner. Once again, blame the police and not the individuals who actually commit the crime.
In response to your comments about African Americans not being particularly violent: taken from the U.S. Department of justice site http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm "In 2005, offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites. " And African Americans were responsible for 52.2% of the TOTAL homicides from 1976-2005 (while only making up around 13% of the population).
You also commented that "It's so much easier to think that black people just kill each other.". 94% of the time they do, along with 86% of whites are killed by whites. Murder is usually intra-racial. As far as easier.. it is so much easier to blame things on some sort of racial conspiracy then it is to deal with the actual problems.
Burglars busted three locked doors to enter building, then lost their nerve, heard something, left. No proceeds. $1500 in broken doors. Made a 630, became a 1310.
CTTL is when a piss bumb tries to sleep overnight in the hallway in sub-zero weather.
Sunny London sends its best!! Word on the street in the UK (or at least what the Metropolitan Police told me today) is that they have the same shortages in manpower and under-gunned police on the streets. Gun crime in London is way up and most of the police are not armed. I guess Chicago isn't the only place with these problems - back to reality and back to Chicago tomorrow.....
Crime is down as a result of the following..Million man march,Jessie Jackson,Jessie Jackson, Jr., and Al Sharpton!.......................................................................CAN I GET AN AMEN?!..........................................................................PRAISE JESUS!
What is the actual criteria for Merit promotion? It certainly must not take into account time on the medical, as some meritoriously promoted personnel I know have medical files so thick they need a fork-lift to bring them into the medical section. Alas, I guess it's true, it's who you know, AND who you BLOW. That explains much of CPD "Meritorious" promotions.
Cline was a true pumpkin-head...Just because something works well in New York City don't mean it is going to do the same in Chicago.
TACTICS? Sounds like another one O.D.'d on Kool-Aid to me.
http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece
I was just watching "Code of Silence"
W/ Chuck Norris and I think if we get the Prowler it will solve all out problems!
It suddenly became clear that blacks aren't particularly violent.
When did that become clear? I missed that one. 20 years Ive been the police and thats all Ive seen is black on black violent crimes! As far as the crime rate coming down you can thank the destruction of all the jets and the redeployment of the rats there to the burbs. I have a friend who is the police in Oak Forrest and many of the rocket scientists from the jets were moved over there. Their homicide rates are up 100% from where they were ten years ago. He says the east side is up for grabs.
I would like to see how many of these Burglaries, rapes, etc etc are downgraded immediately by the lazy, do nothing, take more time to explain the benefits of the KMA club than write paper/make notifications/properly classify these crimes. I mean how many times have you heard "nuttin I can Do" or "its a civil matter kid" or "Ill be back if I catch the guy" or "19-Paul nuttin here". The problem with this department isnt the tact/tru comin in with BS its the lazy dog ass slobs that make up 90% of 2nd watch throughout the city.
well hot shot, it isnt the lazy dogs getting fired all the time just you super heros. You keep up the good work, I hope you get a pension because I am enjoying mine stupid. 32 years, never been shot and never had to shoot anybody and now enjoying the pension for 22 months. Good luck, but while your still here superman, keep paying your dues so I get my check every month........ Jackoff
Oder from up above. All the PO's that worked down where the boxers where at had to wear dress uniforms to hide their weapons as to not intimidate the visitors. This City is a bunch of useless pussies. You will find me happily working in some hillbilly town out west somewhere. At least there the police can be the police, and are armed accordingly.
Scc u must have not caught the Tribunes article quoting the FBI crime stats for last year a few weeks ago. The murder rate according to them for last year was around 30 higher in 2006 than in 2005 in Chicago. I guess all of the death investigations finally cuaght up this past summer.It was somewhere in the middle of the paper.
Anonymous said...
you realize these stats are based on the UCR codes, not the charges, right?
10/22/2007 08:37:00 AM
You realize that the review office will change a burglary case report with only cttl charges to a criminal trespass case report, right?
Richie Daleys Smoke and Mirrors in action.
"I don't even think there were any projects in the test district of Harrison."
WRONGO! ROCKWELL GARDENS BEAT 1125 TRY AGAIN...
And he is charged with Poss. Stolen Property (NOT LOST/MISLAID PROPERTY)
good luck gettingthat charge approved
Anonymous said...
OFF TOPIC:
Lt's test results will be mailed out and should be in sgt's home mailboxes on Wednesday or Thursday.
This is from a high ranking exempt!
10/22/2007 12:31:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Coppers getting jammed??
That's way up!!
10/22/2007 12:56:00 AM
brattonfan said...
I wrote before asking about the decline in the murder rate, and nobody responded.
You really think they lowered the murder rate by 3.9% "via paper"?
That's just silly. And there's a bigger problem here. Cops, especially cops who've been around for a few years, hate to admit that the murder rate was so high because nobody in the department nor in the city cared. It's so much easier to think that black people just kill each other.
But what happened in 2003 is that the department changed tactics, and the murder rate suddenly plummeted. It suddenly became clear that blacks aren't particularly violent. It suddenly became clear that the 3-decade murder spree in this city resulted mostly from cynical police strategies, allowed by city hall, but ultimately chosen by commander after commander, because they were essentially racist. And a lot of cops on the street bought into the idea that there was nothing the police could do. It made life a lot easier than thinking maybe the free-fire zones on the South and West sides were a direct result of police stagnation.
So now, everyone wants to pretend like nothing's changed, because to admit it, you'd have to change your whole way of looking at the world.
The murder rate didn't fall in 2003 because yuppies suddenly moved into Harrison in 2003. It fell because of the new tactics. It's stayed down, and continues to decline, because of tactics. Yeah, everyone would rather spend their wee hours in Sauganash, but we don't need so many police in Sauganash. We need them in Pilsen and the SE side and Humboldt Park.
You need to admit it. Nobody is faking murder rates. The crime rate is down because of the change in tactics.
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Blacks are not particularly violent? Do you watch the news? Police presence is not going to stop someone from killing someone over drug money. If the police are there, they will just wait until they are gone. Also , police do not patrol inside private residences which is where many murders occur in Black neighborhoods. I have not seen beat car in Garfield Ridge in months and guess what? Not one murder. The last murder that I can remember in our neighborhood was committed by the BLACK comcast employee. I am sure the beat car is around I am just saying I have not seen him nor have I looked for it. Stop blaming the police. As long as people play the victim role, they are never going to go ahead. Too depressed to get a job because of what the white man did but not too depressed to have cell phone,expensive cars,tons of jewelry etc. I wonder where that money comes from if they have no jobs. There could be 1,000 cops per block in those neighboroods and nothing would change just like the blue light cameras did not change anything.
Signed,
Pissed off police wife
"Most of you are afraid of your own shadow to begin with. When was the last time you had the balls to ask a boss a serious question about some of the problems. Or, are these so called problems just your own personal issues?
You whiners and cry babies are just as much of an embarassment to this job as those who cause the scandals. It is not the city's job to promote you or get you a spot."
YEAH OK SARGE, THE BIGGEST COWARD PIMP SUCKHOLE IS THE ONE YOU LOOK @ IN THE MIRROR EACH MORNING. START BY PRACTICING WHAT YOU PREACH. GO TOUT YOUR CRAP TO THE W/C. YOU KNOW THE SAME GUY YOU WAKE UP WITH NIGHTSWEATS DREADING TO ASK FOR 2 ON THE FRONT.
LEAD BY EXAMPLE PUNK!!
Heard a rumor that Sheriff Tom Dart who is no fan of Daley or the exempts is going to be putting a massive training program together that will make jail guards and court room personel the police.
Not sure how but guess there is a difference between Peace officers and Police officers.
Crook County is gonna make an effort to become the primary police force in county? This outta be good if it is true
Anonymous said...
I really do not understand all this anger. It is nice to have a site like this to vent anonymously. In reality, most of you are just blowing smoke.
If you wanted to effectively change things you would take coordinated and cooperative action.
I especially dislike those who CLAIM to just show up and do nothing. Who are you kidding?
Let's get real. This is a job. You picked it- faults and all. You have an obligation to work. You are entitled to nothing. If you pulled some of these so called do nothing stunts in private industry you would be living in poverty.
The citizens do not care. All they want is to be able to dial 911 and see your smiling face when they have a problem. They would also like to see you patrol their street once in a while. The only place they ever see the police is when they go to the coffee shop or the conveinience store. They see you hanging out like gangbangers.
Most of you are afraid of your own shadow to begin with. When was the last time you had the balls to ask a boss a serious question about some of the problems. Or, are these so called problems just your own personal issues?
You whiners and cry babies are just as much of an embarassment to this job as those who cause the scandals. It is not the city's job to promote you or get you a spot. It is your job. If you want something then go after it and do what you have to do. Crying and pissing and moaning about someone else who got something is just your denial about being a failure.
The adage about government is true- you get the government you deserve. I guess we have the police department we deserve; cry babies, whiners, entitlement whores, and lazy dogs rear ends.
10/22/2007 02:16:00 PM
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In the private sector these officers would be able to sue for what goes on. Don't hate just because you are not an officer. Crying and pissing and moaning about someone else who got something is just your denial about being a failure. I think your statement applied to YOU. Take your own advice. Next you will be telling a neurosurgeon how to do his job. If you have never been an officer you can't criticize. If you are an officer, I hope I never get your smiling face when I am in a life threatening situation. I would rather get one of the officers you criticize. You are an idiot.
Just in time for the boxing event, smoke and mirrors.
"There are complaints generated by criminals, gang members and drug dealers who are determined to make false allegations against a police officer to discredit the arrest and further their own agenda in court," he said, arguing against making the names public. "All of these complaints are still counted against the officer," Starks said. "They still represent a strike against his or her reputation."
What will Danas critics on here have to say now. He sure didnt sound ghetto or whatever else u call him. Phil never sounded off like that.
check the site www.bettergov.org,
all city employee names and salaries are posted
the magic re-classied pens are still at I see.
You need to admit it. Nobody is faking murder rates. The crime rate is down because of the change in tactics.
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Stats go up and they go down. Gang-bangers determine the murder rate, not us! The stats are rising now because of gang conflicts(G.D vs.Stones and 26ers, saints, La Raza against every body. I ask you stop worring about "tactics" BOSS and worry about a 10 year old that was killed at 55th and Halsted Your "tactics" failed for that child!! Clime out of you fucking cubicle or your office and realize, YOUR TACTICS ARE NOT WORKING!
OFF TOPIC:
I just heard on WBBM Newsradio 780 that Dana Starks just came out with a statement STRONGLY SUPPORTING the police officers of CPD. In essence, he told the media that many citizen complaints against officers are bogus (as many as 50%.)
He said many are dropped because the complaining victim's do not cooperate with the ops investigators. He further stated that many of the people complaining about police abuse do so for other motives. (Ex:gangbangers or drug dealers trying to jam up coppers, or to get their criminal cases dropped, or for financial gain,lawsuits, etc.)
Way to go Dana,your stock just went WAY UP in my book!..I never thought I'd hear that from any Superintendent. Phil Cline had many opportunities to support us, but remained silent.
Where's Mark Donahue? (FOP lodge 7 President). He remained silent all summer while we got beaten up by the media on a daily basis. Mark you are a nice man..but this is war! You should be on T.V. everyday blasting the Mayor and the bias media coverage of CPD.(SHOW SOME LEADERSHIP!)
But, you lost the advantage. If you do it now, everyone knows you will just be parroting the Superintendent!
Nice job FOP..way to drop the ball!
merit Maggs in 006 city leader among white males on the medical.
You want to know why the crime rate has been going down the past few years????
The CREATION OF THE TARGETED RESPONSE UNIT!!!
Since they started us we have been kicking ass and taking names and the result is a lower crime rate. There is no surprise what this Department needs is more coppers like us. If you are ready to accept the challenge look in the Daily Bulletin we are always looking for good P.O.s if you are willing to accept the challenge, it is not for the faint of heart.
Signed
The REAL POLICE
For those of you still in denial, who say the murders just relocated themselves to the suburbs, here are the facts:
murder rate on p. 15.
The city murder rate fell by about 150; the suburban rate goes up by about 10.
The graph is actually "per 100,000", so you have to know the populations to figure out the changes in the city and the suburbs. Figure the city is about 2.75 million, and suburban Cook County about 2.1 million. My estimates of 150 and 10 could be off by 3-5 murders.
I know, I know, it's more fun to be cop-politically correct and say that murders just happen, and there's nothing cops can do. But the fact is, the changing tactics did something. It had nothing to do with people moving. I live in Humboldt Park, and my neighbors today just arent that different from my neighbors 5 years ago. Harrison property values are mostly up because of speculators, not because the population changed much. As I said in another post, Harrison didn't have many projects, and most of the Horner Hornets stayed in the neighborhood (of the one that moved out in the time-period we're talking about, 75% took replacement CHA housing right next door). What changed is that the department shouldered a big load, and got the job done.
Yeah, I do think that it was racism that kept the department from doing it 15 or 20 years ago. Mostly racism at the higher levels. I admit it's a back-handed compliment to say "you're not all the racists that you used to be." But it's still a compliment. Things DID change.
And yeah, I understand that most of the murders in this city happened in poor black neighborhoods, just like they used to happen in poor Irish and Italian neighborhoods. Poor, angry peope are more apt to be violent, and in the absence of good policing, they often kill each other.
The department has done a hell of a job in the last 5 years, and if people would learn from that experience, there is little doubt it would do an even better job in the next 5.
It's weird to see so many people in denial about the fact that they're now doing a BETTER job.
To the 03:16 post. Scum raises to the top also.
Yeah, maybe Roe V. Wade had a magical effect one day in 2003, that it hadn't had for the previous ten years. And only in Chicago!
No, that's ridiculous. Look at the graph I just linked to. There were about 25% fewer murders from one year to the next. 17 years after Roe was 1992, not 2002. Yet 1992 was the worst year for murders by 17 year olds in decades. The kids born right after Roe. v. Wade were MORE violent, not less.
The U of C boys who wrote that silly book about Roe v. Wade and murder don't actually understand statistics. The statistics they relied on showed murder plummeting from 93-96, but they didn't notice one huge thing:
Most of the decline NATIONWIDE came from one city, New York, where Bratton was developing the tactics that Chicago didn't adopt till 2003.
And, the 14-17 year olds in that period (i.e., those from the first days of Roe v. Wade) were actually MORE violent than the 14-17 year olds before them.
Those screwups from the U of C were justifying the money they gave to their girfriends to abort their own sorry offspring. That's the only explanation I can give for a statistics professor screwing up statistics that bad.
10/23/2007 12:09:00 AM
dana spoke out for us again where is donohue and the rest of the irish idiots at the top? How drunk I am! Lets make dana supt and see what happens it cannot be any worse!
What about treason by the media?????
not a bosses kid said...
OFF TOPIC:
I just heard on WBBM Newsradio 780 that Dana Starks just came out with a statement STRONGLY SUPPORTING the police officers of CPD. In essence, he told the media that many citizen complaints against officers are bogus (as many as 50%.)
He said many are dropped because the complaining victim's do not cooperate with the ops investigators. He further stated that many of the people complaining about police abuse do so for other motives. (Ex:gangbangers or drug dealers trying to jam up coppers, or to get their criminal cases dropped, or for financial gain,lawsuits, etc.)
Way to go Dana,your stock just went WAY UP in my book!..I never thought I'd hear that from any Superintendent. Phil Cline had many opportunities to support us, but remained silent.
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Thanks Dana, your a little too late. Thats been common knowledge for the longest time! Po's and I have been tellin that truth to OPS and IAD for so long now it's like I'm reading someone their miranda rights without using my FOP book! Now why dont you start with action! Cause your words dont mean a dam thing.
Yeah......defending us!! Bullshit! What about him refusing to remove anyone out of the Behavioral Alert Program no matter what........even if the officer has met the requirments to be removed. Keep drinkin your cherry kool-aid tool. I would like for him to review my file and explain why my UNFOUNDED and EXONERATED cr's are being held against me. Read the general order boss. I'm under their stupid fuckin quota, no #'s in almost 2years. And the ones I do have are bogus as hell which is under ten if you dont include EXONERATED AND UNFOUNDED like I stated above. Worked in southside fast district for almost 10years doin police work for my , sgt's and Lt's and Commanders and look where it got me. I have no juice, no clout. Just a hard worker and I have the arrests to prove it. Branded a "person to be watched" cause I've been doin my JOB. I dont motherfuck people, I dont steal or put cases on people....I just arrest some of the biggest pieces of shit out there just to be told by personel section "you are the problem officer.....what can u do to change things officer...you cant blame the criminals for the #'s". Blah blah blah blah blah! Some of the most absolute stupidist shit I have ever heard in my life!!!! This is coming from bosses, sgts, lts and the higher ups. Who the hell else is there to blame????????? except the criminals and devine who REFUSES to allow his ASA's to pursue perjury or false report charges on these people. These rev's and media will always want police heads to roll just to justify there measely exisitence, but I have rights too and so does everyone else on this job. Enough already. You think I'm mad!? Goddam right I am and thoroughly disgusted at the way we as CPD are being treated by the media, the union and our own bosses. You still think starks is the man? Williams the man? Cline? Hillard? These sellout pukes showed you what happens when the shit hits the fan. Dont even get me started on cline. This city will soon find out what it means not to have the police really give a crap any more. Not about the mayor, the bosses, the citizens the media or the revs. I went to a district where I live so I can patrol my neighborhood so why Iam I being punished? Why do I have the brick on my shoulder on target on my back? I will end my long rant with this.....................
The biggest compliment any officer can receive on this job is being told by a fellow officer (newbie and oldtimer alike) that he/she is the REAL police. Seems this department has forgotten what it means to be the real police and how to back them up. Please be safe everyone, please. See you out there.
What beat cars in west side 008? I see 814H days all the damn time. Those guys do their job, make their
presence known and they care. Not like all the bitches, you know the old man in 812 days. He loves the Schebe, I mean he loves John. Maybe he wants to drive around some of the big dogs till he retires too. Keep up the good work 814H, we appreciate it. And 812 days, we can't tell who's older you or the street sign you hold-up while you are sucking Schebe dry. We see what goes on.
812 Resident. Thank you AH and ?C.(814H) Top notch guys.Coffee is on me.
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Blacks are not particularly violent? Do you watch the news? Police presence is not going to stop someone from killing someone over drug money. If the police are there, they will just wait until they are gone. Also , police do not patrol inside private residences which is where many murders occur in Black neighborhoods. I have not seen beat car in Garfield Ridge in months and guess what? Not one murder. The last murder that I can remember in our neighborhood was committed by the BLACK comcast employee. I am sure the beat car is around I am just saying I have not seen him nor have I looked for it. Stop blaming the police. As long as people play the victim role, they are never going to go ahead. Too depressed to get a job because of what the white man did but not too depressed to have cell phone,expensive cars,tons of jewelry etc. I wonder where that money comes from if they have no jobs. There could be 1,000 cops per block in those neighboroods and nothing would change just like the blue light cameras did not change anything.
Signed,
Pissed off police wife
10/22/2007 11:16:00 PM
You want to know why the crime rate has been going down the past few years????
The CREATION OF THE TARGETED RESPONSE UNIT!!!
Since they started us we have been kicking ass and taking names and the result is a lower crime rate. There is no surprise what this Department needs is more coppers like us. If you are ready to accept the challenge look in the Daily Bulletin we are always looking for good P.O.s if you are willing to accept the challenge, it is not for the faint of heart.
Signed
The REAL POLICE
Signed, you're not from TRU so quit trying to start shit nobody buys it anymore.....
What will Danas critics on here have to say now. He sure didnt sound ghetto or whatever else u call him. Phil never sounded off like that.
10/22/2007 11:41:00 PM
Here is what one critic will say. Dana will stab you in the back the minute he can. He wass never a police officer- just a guy with a badge and a gun. He has been hated by everyone- including Blacks- his whole career.
Dana owes everything to the ministers and Stroger. Dana will ruin this department. He will pander to the constituents of the political ministers and you will be sorry.
He is only blowing smoke to get you to believe he is qualified to run this Department. If he is chosen as a Superintendent you better go get a real job because this one will be worthless. Oh, I forgot, he is a racist- he hates anyone who is not Black.
Ummmm, The University of Chicago doens't understand statistics? But you do? OK, if you say so it must be true.
I hope I never get your smiling face when I am in a life threatening situation. I would rather get one of the officers you criticize. You are an idiot.
10/22/2007 11:30:00 PM
I am a cop- thirty years. I probably made more arrests- good ones- in my first year on the job than you have in your own pitiful career. I still make good, solid, arrests. Oh, and if I showed up on your job and you stole money or killed someone, I would see and hear nothing. Unlike you, who would probably run to IAD to save your worthless hide.
Get some years on. This is a job. You work for people. They are in charge. Like it or not, fair or not, you work for them. Either get made or quit. You are you to insult me and call me names.
Maybe you should get out of the car once in a while for more than a cup of coffee or a free donut.
I admit it's a back-handed compliment to say "you're not all the racists that you used to be."
Try telling your wife or girlfriend that she isnt as fat as she used to be and see what kind of a response you get. You can try all the spin you like but an insult is still an insult.
When people are relocated from a housing project you cant expect the same % of violence to follow. People are not stacked on top of each other anymore' and dont have to pass 50 gang bangers standing around the project entrances just to get to their residence. That is the big reason why the projects were not rebuilt. It is like a crowd mentality. Let a group of bangers or idiots gather in a big crowd and there is more of a chance for something to happen, thin it out and they are not so brave anymore. The theory does work to a certain degree (crime rate dropped), but at the expense of others. People in areas where the criminals are relocated to suffer through a rise in crime.
"It's weird to see so many people in denial about the fact that they're now doing a BETTER job."
Nobody is in denial about the job we do. We know that we are doing a lot with very little. But we also know that the relocation and UCR classification game had a major role in the numbers dropping. The reaction you are getting from your post is not denial that we are doing a good job, but a reaction to being insulted and blamed for the actions of criminals. Our job is not to fix socioeconomical or political problems (which has a lot to do with why criminals are criminals). It is to enforce the law. I think that you are a little confused when you say our racist department could have lowered crime a long time ago. I would arrest the same guy for the same crime today that I would have 20-25 years ago, but now he might be out in south holland or lynwood committing his crimes, so I cant.
1249: I don’t give a rat’s ass about some egg-head statistical study. Just look at it logically. Hundreds of thousands of unwanted babies, many raised at the poverty level, undereducated and with little or no adult guidance will negatively impact crime.
The real reason for the reduction in violent crime in 2003 is many faceted. Yes, tactics had something to do with it, so did the exodus of CHA housing, medical technology and gentrification of certain areas.
Look at Area 4, while 15 is still quite filled with shootings and homicides, the rest of the area has quite a few less shootings... especially in comparison to previous years. Swarming an area with police will have an effect.
The reason this is not the BEST answer to the problem is that it is really a short term fix, because we can't sustain that level of manpower in that area indefinitely. I would say that the biggest shift change in tactics is that we are "attempting" to target areas where we think crimes might occur and sending our resources there. Although this creates some problems, it really isn't a bad tactic because it continually looks at what is happening out there, and we do commit resources to the problems. If we had like 1,000 more police officers it would be great, we could fill the vacancies in the districts and STILL have the "special teams" to target problem areas.
The problems don't really go away, they just move around.... Talk to any suburban department/officer...
Anonymous said...
Remember how they count. You get three people shot, one doa. Case report is 0110 with one victim counted. The other two agg batts victims aren't counted in the stats.
10/22/2007 11:10:00 AM
009th Dist does INDEED have a scandal going on. The powers that be at 35th/Michigan are trying to keep it out of the press. The 009th is considered the political home of CPD and this is just too much for the Mayor to handle.
Some of the accused burglars are from the 009th dist B team (yes, that team) under the leadership of Sgt Lopez. What were these cops thinking stealing from Federal boxcars? Is Lopez going down for this too?
I work Days in the 009th and I can tell you the sh#t is going to hit the fan VERY SOON. Roy cannot hide the folly any longer. Roy is finished!
The real reason for the reduction in violent crime in 2003 is many faceted. Yes, tactics had something to do with it, so did the exodus of CHA housing, medical technology and gentrification of certain areas.
Look at Area 4, while 15 is still quite filled with shootings and homicides, the rest of the area has quite a few less shootings... especially in comparison to previous years. Swarming an area with police will have an effect.
The reason this is not the BEST answer to the problem is that it is really a short term fix, because we can't sustain that level of manpower in that area indefinitely. I would say that the biggest shift change in tactics is that we are "attempting" to target areas where we think crimes might occur and sending our resources there. Although this creates some problems, it really isn't a bad tactic because it continually loo3ks at what is happening out there, and we do commit resources to the problems. If we had like 1,000 more police officers it would be great, we could fill the vacancies in the districts and STILL have the "special teams" to target problem areas.
The problems don't really go away, they just move around.... Talk to any suburban department/officer...
10/23/2007 07:28:00 AM
Again, medical technology didn't make any special, sudden breakthroughs in 2003. Nor did the exodus from CHA happen suddenly in 2003.
The big changes were flooding officers into areas with high violence rates, and the thing you mention, attempting to predict hotspots where murders might happen, and flooding them. Cameras and a change in the way open-air drug markets were attacked also came in 2003. Did this have an effect? A lot of the violence has always been purely about money, and when you take out the most lucrative corners, and make it tougher for the hard-working drug-dealer to make a buck (that's a joke), you make it less likely that a higher-up in another gang orders some 15-year old to go take him out. Maybe.
I'd love to see 1,000 more officers, maybe half for these kind of patrols, and half to fill the gaps made when people were moved out of less violent precincts to create the response units. And I wonder whether the sheriff ought to have a unit for suburban tactical response to assist out-manned local departments. Or maybe there's a different way to do it.
015 is in area 5
"I don't even think there were any projects in the test district of Harrison."
WRONGO! ROCKWELL GARDENS BEAT 1125 TRY AGAIN...
Do't 4get Harrison Courts!.....
Anonymous said...
merit Maggs in 006 city leader among white males on the medical.
10/23/2007 12:14:00 AM
Well, if you weighed 450 and had to work for that pompus ass J.D. you'd be unhealthy too. Or maybe its just because he gets so exhausted talking about how great he is and sucking up to Rugai.
poor irish and poor italians got their s##t together, what's taking the blacks so long? its getting old real fast, dissolve the welfare state, take responsibility. and i know what your reply is and i ain't buyin' it no more.
name a few address SCC? name 20, ill check them out an get back to you.
There are complaints generated by criminals, gang members and drug dealers who are determined to make false allegations against a police officer to discredit the arrest and further their own agenda in court," he said, arguing against making the names public. "All of these complaints are still counted against the officer," Starks said. "They still represent a strike against his or her reputation."
What will Danas critics on here have to say now. He sure didnt sound ghetto or whatever else u call him. Phil never sounded off like that.
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Holy shit!! I am taken back by his statement. He finally realized we are all blue and actually defended us. I'll be honest, I had my doubts but he stood up like a man and said what everyone knows to be true, hell, even Daley did. They keep doing that, I might even work again. I can say my moral is kinda lifted a bit, well, it's a start in the right direction anyway.
You want to know why the crime rate has been going down the past few years????
The CREATION OF THE TARGETED RESPONSE UNIT!!!
Since they started us we have been kicking ass and taking names and the result is a lower crime rate. There is no surprise what this Department needs is more coppers like us. If you are ready to accept the challenge look in the Daily Bulletin we are always looking for good P.O.s if you are willing to accept the challenge, it is not for the faint of heart.
Signed
The REAL POLICE
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You are so....gay!!! I hope every boss that reads this laughs their nuts off.
Capt. Mags weighs in at 400 lbs., more or less. He's got vertigo, diabetes, and other health problems. If he hits the medical, he is SICK. Say what you want to about his weight, when he's at work (which is often), he's more of the Police than many here will ever be! I've been around over 20 years, and I have seen people far healthier than he is hit the medical every chance they get! Fortunately, Mags can leave this job any time he wants to. Unfortunately for the rest of us, we still have to come to work and sit next to a few whiners every day for 8 hrs.
015 is in area 5
10/23/2007 10:48:00 AM
You're right, but I just think of it as part of the WestSide, and I just kind of jumbled it up w/A/4 which I also think of as the WestSide... sorry... but it does look pretty shot up when you view the map of 015...
Re: Mike Magliano.....yes he is overweight, unhealthily so. He is also a bit full of himself, but brother he was the police at one time. Back in 005, he worked with a group of guys who made good felony arrests, and took no shit from anyone. Yea Yea I know, someone will say that taking no shit meant being brutal, and we are paying for that now, but save that shit. Mr. asshole listened when guys like that said something. Also, you can believe this, he would never, I repeat never fuck over a copper who makes an honest mistake, and if you did something dumb, he'd do anything to help you out. What he does not like are lazy do nothings and whiners. There was a time when people took pride in this job, and lazy fucks were the minority. Remember, that blue uniform has been worn by some real good policemen, and all the "I don't get out of my car, I do the minimum" jerkoffs dishonor everyone who came before.
Shut up and do your job.
And regardless of who you are, I've got your back.
An old friend of Maggs.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Remember how they count. You get three people shot, one doa. Case report is 0110 with one victim counted. The other two agg batts victims aren't counted in the stats.
10/22/2007 11:10:00 AM
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Sorry, as much as much as I would like to agree with you they are counted. Each victim on a case is counted for the crime or crimes that are committed against them regardless what the G.O heading is.
I remember when Harold was elected Mayor and crime went up. The city's answer was that crime really didn't go up. With a black mayor the minorities were not as afraid of the Police and were just reporting it more.
I'm sure the old timers assigned to the Mass Transit unit remember when Dart took it over. The guys assigned to the decoy unit would go out and get robbed, rolled or worse. There was always a head to go with the crime. Well the powers to be decided one way to keep the crime rate down on mass transit was to eliminate the decoy unit as they accounted for many of the RD numbers. Putting bad guys away wasn't important.
OMG will the totally retarded unit stop posting shit about how they are the coolest cops in the Chicago Police Dept! All you do is come to districts, and fuck peoples beats up. Then your so fucking cool, and get one baggers and OMG your the king of the world. You guys are a bunch of 1 year wonders who just got off probation. Yeah dude your real fucking cool, so how many years have you worked in 020 for you fucking loser get a fucking life!!! Just to let you know your the real police you stroke, you don't deter crime by arresting 1 baggers that doesn't make you the real police! Go work the west and south sides, northside doesn't count to be the real police
The CREATION OF THE TARGETED RESPONSE UNIT!!!
Since they started us we have been kicking ass and taking names and the result is a lower crime rate. There is no surprise what this Department needs is more coppers like us. If you are ready to accept the challenge look in the Daily Bulletin we are always looking for good P.O.s if you are willing to accept the challenge, it is not for the faint of heart.
Signed
The REAL POLICE
I'm there and I think that shit is funny, what a tool, he's not from TRU, trust me.....
OMG will the totally retarded unit stop posting shit about how they are the coolest cops in the Chicago Police Dept! All you do is come to districts, and fuck peoples beats up. Then your so fucking cool, and get one baggers and OMG your the king of the world. You guys are a bunch of 1 year wonders who just got off probation. Yeah dude your real fucking cool, so how many years have you worked in 020 for you fucking loser get a fucking life!!! Just to let you know your the real police you stroke, you don't deter crime by arresting 1 baggers that doesn't make you the real police! Go work the west and south sides, northside doesn't count to be the real police
The only retard is you, nobody from TRU is posting that shit, when are going to figure that out? It is someone that likes to start shit and get dumb people like you going and it works every time. It's obvious by the text in your post that you are no doubt the real one year wonder who works in a busy district and immediately believes you invented police work and that it can only be done in south or west side districts, grow up. Just fyi for you, 95% of the people in TRU are from working districts of the south and west side, hardly anyone at all is from a north side district, why the fuck would they leave those districts to work in the ghetto every night? start figuring this out would ya, alot of the people who work north now started on the west side and were smart enough to bail somewhere nicer when they were able, after you get off probation start looking at the transfer order for openings and try to do the same, don't get sucked into the south/west side district real police bs, then maybe you won't come off as such a tool. It's just a job......
Good cop way to go Crook county states attorneys office. Now you want me to do nothing and let people get robbed, murdered, shot, and you know what I don't care anymore!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUUKO1gJRMU
poor irish and poor italians got their s##t together, what's taking the blacks so long? its getting old real fast, dissolve the welfare state, take responsibility. and i know what your reply is and i ain't buyin' it no more.
10/23/2007 01:07:00 PM
Yeah! Exactly! It only took the Irish 100 years from when they started moving to Chicago in big numbers during the Famine. Why is it taking black people more than 50 since the Great Migration? That's why want to know!
If the Irish could become mostly middle class, and all they needed was the GI bill for just about every Irish guy born in the 20's, why do blacks need a hand up?
That's what I wanna know? Why can't they be more like the Irish?
Oh, wait ... nevermind. I'm an idiot.
When arresting an offender can end your career would you actually arrest him/her? We are more on trial than the offenders we arrest! Sad, isn't it? Me? I am in the KMA Club and feel total sympathy for those who aren't. I still really, really care but... good luck and godspeed to you who are on the cusp.
A little known fact, more cops and firemen are arrested for arson than any other profession.
insurance fraud also.
But what happened in 2003 is that the department changed tactics, and the murder rate suddenly plummeted.
Please tell me you're fucking kidding - right?
The only 'tactic' employed was that twit Daley and his Humpty Dumpty Phil in essence 'promised' that the murder rate would stay under 600, in 2003 as I recall. And, my friend it did. Never mind that a man got away with murder (of his wife during a domestic dispute) and solely charged with an MCC for failure to register. Humpty himself was in the station as was every other high ranking brass (hell, most I'd only seen on TV!)running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to figure how to re-classify this one. They bullied & brow beat the officers, took it all up to the Area and *poof* - it was an accidental discharge... unfuckinreal.
You wanna believe the BS that the City & the Department are tryin to feed you? Go right ahead. This is only 1 of many examples I've seen.
Oh, and since I'm posting. Would you walkin' dildos from TRU (isn't that the same acronym for Toys R Us?) get the fuck over your damn selves. NO ONE with 1/2 a brain cell wants to be in TRU. The unit, such as it is - is the laughing stock in every district, on every watch in the City. We see you guys comin', we sit back to watch & laugh (and to save your sorry asses when you pull someone over who can smell how 'green' you really are and isn't interested in playin' cops n robbers with you preschoolers).
Keep drinkin' that KoolAid they serve you guys down there. Elite? Get this straight Junior - YOU are a joke, TRU is a joke. Go stroke each others cocks in roll call, cuz you TRU people are the
O N L Y ones who think you are 'elite' or the police for that matter. Don't go away mad son, just GO AWAY....
Oh, and since I'm posting. Would you walkin' dildos from TRU (isn't that the same acronym for Toys R Us?) get the fuck over your damn selves. NO ONE with 1/2 a brain cell wants to be in TRU. The unit, such as it is - is the laughing stock in every district, on every watch in the City. We see you guys comin', we sit back to watch & laugh (and to save your sorry asses when you pull someone over who can smell how 'green' you really are and isn't interested in playin' cops n robbers with you preschoolers).
Keep drinkin' that KoolAid they serve you guys down there. Elite? Get this straight Junior - YOU are a joke, TRU is a joke. Go stroke each others cocks in roll call, cuz you TRU people are the
O N L Y ones who think you are 'elite' or the police for that matter. Don't go away mad son, just GO AWAY....
That's funny because all the apps that come in all the time say otherwise, the only people who think TRU is elite is the media, because we sure don't, we actually think it's funny as well.
As far as not liking us, oh well, were not going way so get used to it.
The being green shit is really old already, if you look you would see that the average time in the unit is 5-6 years, like most tac teams.
As far as saving anyone, that in itself is a joke, you can't save yourselves, the bigger joke is listening to cars dog simple jobs all night long and fuck over their fellow officers who have to pick up the slack, which results in the backlogs you bitch about, and before you tell us to work in a real district etc etc etc, most of us are from south or west side districts, with the majority being south siders and they have us in busy districts every night, especially area 2, so spare us the nonsense....
That's funny because all the apps that come in all the time say otherwise, the only people who think TRU is elite is the media, because we sure don't, we actually think it's funny as well.
As far as not liking us, oh well, were not going way so get used to it.
The being green shit is really old already, if you look you would see that the average time in the unit is 5-6 years, like most tac teams.
As far as saving anyone, that in itself is a joke, you can't save yourselves, the bigger joke is listening to cars dog simple jobs all night long and fuck over their fellow officers who have to pick up the slack, which results in the backlogs you bitch about, and before you tell us to work in a real district etc etc etc, most of us are from south or west side districts, with the majority being south siders and they have us in busy districts every night, especially area 2, so spare us the nonsense....
*sigh*... ok dum-dum, lemme try to put this in simple terms that even you can understand.
Any unit worth going to isn't going to constantly be begging for Q U A L I F I E D applicants.
The fact of the matter is you 2-3 year wonders couldn't find your asses with your hands in your back pockets. It takes 10 of you to handle a stop or an arrest.
Well, comparing your 'elite' status via the media isn't exactly something I'd be boasting (and you tools do it ALL the time) - they (the media) called SOS the same thing.
Like you? Junior I don't know you. And based on your pompous attitude here, I wouldn't bother to speak to you. Ain't hurting your feelings, mine either. No, the department has proven time & again it's incompetence & poor management skills. Sadly, you're actually right about something, TRU isn't going anywhere. But - it's got nothing to do with the skills of the WonderPups there.
Really? 5-6 years. Thought you puppies all had to have 60 credit hours to get hired? Basic math should be a requirement as well. Why don't you take some time next time the entire team comes in for your big 1 bagger and look at the sheets. Unless the Tac Lt. is a grade A prick, the average time for a tac/gang team is 7-8 years. You aren't a tac team, you're not qualified.
Save ourselves? Last thing anyone on the district wants is to see the Benny Hill crew come barrelin' down the street.
Don't know where you work, but despite the backlogs we all work our asses off. Why? Because we're shortstaffed. Why are we shortstaffed? Because some dildo downtown needed to create a cush spot for 1 of his cronies. And who will man this merry band of idiots? Oh! I know - let's get a buncha recruits off probation who are too stupid to know better.
No one said that you didn't get 'assigned' to busy districts. Problem is none of you know 'how' to WORK in a busy districts.
Sadly, you (and when I say you I mean collectively, so quit pouting & stomping your feet) can't see what all the rest of us can. Have a happy career pup.
Any unit worth going to isn't going to constantly be begging for Q U A L I F I E D applicants.
The fact of the matter is you 2-3 year wonders couldn't find your asses with your hands in your back pockets. It takes 10 of you to handle a stop or an arrest.
Well, comparing your 'elite' status via the media isn't exactly something I'd be boasting (and you tools do it ALL the time) - they (the media) called SOS the same thing.
Like you? Junior I don't know you. And based on your pompous attitude here, I wouldn't bother to speak to you. Ain't hurting your feelings, mine either. No, the department has proven time & again it's incompetence & poor management skills. Sadly, you're actually right about something, TRU isn't going anywhere. But - it's got nothing to do with the skills of the WonderPups there.
Really? 5-6 years. Thought you puppies all had to have 60 credit hours to get hired? Basic math should be a requirement as well. Why don't you take some time next time the entire team comes in for your big 1 bagger and look at the sheets. Unless the Tac Lt. is a grade A prick, the average time for a tac/gang team is 7-8 years. You aren't a tac team, you're not qualified.
Save ourselves? Last thing anyone on the district wants is to see the Benny Hill crew come barrelin' down the street.
Don't know where you work, but despite the backlogs we all work our asses off. Why? Because we're shortstaffed. Why are we shortstaffed? Because some dildo downtown needed to create a cush spot for 1 of his cronies. And who will man this merry band of idiots? Oh! I know - let's get a buncha recruits off probation who are too stupid to know better.
No one said that you didn't get 'assigned' to busy districts. Problem is none of you know 'how' to WORK in a busy districts.
Sadly, you (and when I say you I mean collectively, so quit pouting & stomping your feet) can't see what all the rest of us can. Have a happy career
The only time you've seen a notice about taking people is when they started a new company, which is what there were going to do again, instead they are re-organizing it, You're right about not knowing where you work, but I worked tac, and when you see all these tac guys, it's obvious they don't have 7-8 yrs, at least not in the ghetto;
Go to ICLEAR and do a seniority check of the unit, then you won't have to worry about basic math, as I said, I also worked tac, and observed and participated in the one rock pinches you talk about, tac does them daily, don't forget the one bag weed pinches too, as well as mini-edge and everything else they've made us do, it's a numbers game pal, thats what they want, if you don't want to do it, stay on the watch, but don't bitch at the people that do because they get perks. Nobody cares if you like us, nobody liked SOS, SOG, the old SNIP units, (may be before your time) either. But remember kid, the worst unit is always better than any district, any time you can leave the patrol division you go, you can always go back...
The only time you've seen a notice about taking people is when they started a new company, which is what there were going to do again, instead they are re-organizing it, You're right about not knowing where you work, but I worked tac, and when you see all these tac guys, it's obvious they don't have 7-8 yrs, at least not in the ghetto;
Go to ICLEAR and do a seniority check of the unit, then you won't have to worry about basic math, as I said, I also worked tac, and observed and participated in the one rock pinches you talk about, tac does them daily, don't forget the one bag weed pinches too, as well as mini-edge and everything else they've made us do, it's a numbers game pal, thats what they want, if you don't want to do it, stay on the watch, but don't bitch at the people that do because they get perks. Nobody cares if you like us, nobody liked SOS, SOG, the old SNIP units, (may be before your time) either. But remember kid, the worst unit is always better than any district, any time you can leave the patrol division you go, you can always go back...
ROFLMFAO! Ok pup - perks? What perks, you likin them new GPS systems in your cars? Silly ass missions, numbers games? Really? Gee - that never occurred to me. :::insert rolling eyes emoticon here:::
I've been around a awhile kid...been here & there and with the tenor of this department and the continual downslide I will quite happily WORK my beat car.
the worst unit is always better than any district, any time you can leave the patrol division you go, you can always go back Daddy teach ya that one?
*yawn* You are really boring me now - you are dismissed...
How about these statistics?
After researching public records, newspaper articles, civil court transcripts, and criminal records, Capitol Hill Blue discovered that:
* 29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse.
* 7 have been arrested for fraud.
* 19 have been accused of writing bad checks.
* 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses.
* 3 have been arrested for assault.
* 71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a
credit card.
* 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges.
* 8 have been arrested for shoplifting.
* 21 are current defendants in lawsuits.
* And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity.
Capitol Hill Blue did not list the names of all the individual members of Congress accused of the various crimes, but did note that some were "serial offenders" with extensive tracks records of fraud or violence.
For example, reported Capitol Hill Blue, Rep. Corrine Brown (D-FL) has a "long, consistent record of deceit," including tens of thousands of dollars in unpaid bills, allegations of bribery, and numerous lawsuits against her. And Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA) faces charges that he beat his wife, has a history of barroom brawls while mayor of Alexandria, and has publicly stated that he likes "to hit people."
"With a rap sheet like that, you have to wonder why Americans expect Congress to solve the problem of crime -- since Congress seems to be causing so much crime," said Dasbach. "In fact, if this study is correct, the best way to cut crime may be to lock up Congress and throw away the key."
And given the obvious economic incompetence of so many Senators and Representatives, you have to wonder why voters trust them with the federal budget, he said.
And the public is worried about the Police department?? Give me a break....I'd like to know the criminal records of our esteemed aldermen.......
ROFLMFAO! Ok pup - perks? What perks, you likin them new GPS systems in your cars? Silly ass missions, numbers games? Really? Gee - that never occurred to me. :::insert rolling eyes emoticon here:::
GPS is going to be everywhere, no hiding, including you, so get ready, it hasn't been implimented here yet though.
I've been around a awhile kid...been here & there and with the tenor of this department and the continual downslide I will quite happily WORK my beat car.
Funny, so have I, busy west side districts, tac, housing north and south, the tenure of the department may be headed down but I still make it work for me, you may learn that some day.
the worst unit is always better than any district, any time you can leave the patrol division you go, you can always go back Daddy teach ya that one?
No, I have just been around long enough, been in a couple units to know the difference and know it to be true..
*yawn* You are really boring me now - you are dismissed...
Wow great answer when you don't have a logical response...bye bye now...
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