Did We Miss Something?
- One central Illinois city could spend nearly $100,000 to install cameras on 250 Taser guns used by police in an effort to quell claims of misuse and to prevent abuse. The devices, called Taser Cams, are placed on the end of the guns which can jolt people with up to 50,000 volts of electricity. The cameras, developed in 2005 by Taser International Inc., start recording when the gun is turned on and stop recording when the Taser is shut off.
We noticed a TASER carried by a sergeant on TV the other day had a rather large extension where the battery pack ought to be. Could it be the TASER-cams have been slipped into service in Chicago and no one mentioned it? We didn't see anything mentioned in the papers. We haven't checked the recently issued General Orders. But seeing as how this Department and this city are nothing if not completely reactionary, it wouldn't surprise us that after using a TASER on an 82 year old assailant wielding a hammer, that someone at R&D rushed these things into service as soon as possible.
Anyone have any insight?
UPDATE: VERIFIED! TASER-cams are active and in service in at least the 011th District, possibly 010. Got e-mails from three different coppers. Active since last week and qualified carriers of TASERs had training sessions before carrying.
Anyone have any insight?
UPDATE: VERIFIED! TASER-cams are active and in service in at least the 011th District, possibly 010. Got e-mails from three different coppers. Active since last week and qualified carriers of TASERs had training sessions before carrying.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
53 Comments:
There is a pilot program for Taser cams here in Chicago. I can't remember what districts it applies to, but the special order should be at your district desks or online in the Automated Directives.
The special order came out last week in reference to Tazer Cam. I can hardly wait...to get all the clowns on tape!
There was a problem with them because they record sound also and we can not record sound...Must have been cleared up...
I believe that the pilot program is in 007.
Post that shit to YouTube so we can all watch the clowns fry!!!!
New Taser Cams are only found in 007, 010 and 011. Started last Monday on 19Nov07. Camera is an extension on the bottom of the pistol grip. Records after safety is moved to fire position. No more lazing a target without doing a TRR. No sound, just video. View area from 10 feet away is a 10ft X 10ft field of vision. Camera can record in low light and no light. W/C must download video prior to doing TRR and must forward images via the CLEAR system to 35th St. for storage. Order says all videos will be reviewable in the CLEAR system at a later date. We'll see if thats true, especially if the video is in the our favor. Will videos be evidence in CR's, trials or law suits? Many unknowns regarding these situations. Only time will tell.
Sorry, SCC, what you saw wasn't a camera. Some of the Tasers carry the extra cartridge in the grip (handle) of the unit, below the battery. We don't have Tasercams as of yet, but I don't doubt they're coming. We would be foolish to buy any more of these devices without the camera attachment.
HMMMM, Lemme see:
Tazer Cameras: $100,000
Money saved on bullshit lawsuits: Millions!
Seeing how some people really act:
PRICELESS!
Ought to be a credit card commercial!
We've had them in the 10th Dist. for about a week.
007, 010 and 011 have them....The order is going to change so that you can point the laser at them and record all their silliness and then hit 'em....Don't really think a big deal, won't stop me from carrying it out there...
Scc you might have observed the spare tazer cartridges, which attaches like building blocks from stock area
We attended a meeting in 2006 in which the TASER Cams were introduced, although it wouldn't surprise me that Daley suddenly found the money to buy them.
pilot program in 7-15-11
I would gladly trade the inconvenience of having a cam on the end of a tazer if all POs had the option of carrying them. Imagine the reduction of foot chases! LoL!
Training program already set up for 011. Oh joy!!!
Finally--Taser Cams. The only words they are going to hear me say are "Taser, Taser, Taser" and then a medley of Barry Manilow songs.
It's true, our sgt. in 011 had to get a camera fitted on the taser last week.
Yeah, we got them. The sergeant at roll call showed us the other night. FYI: I work at an Area 4 district. Not sure about anything else, except bring your mace.
I HEARD A SGT GO DOWN ON TASER CAM TRAINING IN 007 LAST WEEK
Taser kills.
There was a Department Notice a few weeks ago regarding the pilot program currently underway in several Chicago police districts using Taser Cam, I think 011 is one, don't remember the others.
What, you folks don't religiously read those yellow, grey and blue orders that pile up on desks and tables around district stations?
That is what the Chicago Police Department calls "training." They plop a bundle of papers on a table and you are all thereby considered "trained" and responsible for that order.
Want a surprise? Look up your own training record on the district computer. You will be amazed at the shit the Department has you marked down as being trained on with dates etc. Days you weren't at work, on the medical or furlough, yet if the shit hits the fan, the department can pull that training record and hold you accountable for being "trained" even though the streaming video might not have worked that day, the volume might have been turned down or you might not even have gone to roll call. No matter, the front offices mark you all down as "trained."
That will be a scandal some day, the CPD's bullshit scam of putting a 3 minute video on a server and adding the bullshit video to your training record.
When is the last time anyone in patrol actually went to a real training class that actually taught you anything? This Department has the most miserable training regimen of any police department I have encountered. As in none. Then they blame the officers for screwing up.
We did have some semblance of a training program starting to emerge a few years ago. That was when Terry Hillard installed that retired US Marine Colonel as ADS in charge of the Training Academy. When Hillard retired, a couple of City Hall hacks drove over to the Training Academy and told ADS Schenkel he no longer was in the City employ and escorted him off the property. True story. That's how they treat someone who seriously tried to put a real training program into place but who wasn't joined at the hip to some political parasite.
Oh, that Marine Colonel, Gary W. Schenkel, that 29 year veteran of the US Marine Corps who was unceremouniously dumped without any notice whatsoever and ordered to leave the Training Academy building, he is now the Director of the Federal Protective Service under the US Department of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. And we here at the CPD get streaming videos.
But I digress, you are reponsible for each and every "training" entry on your record.
So, if any PO gets in a jam and they trot out your training record, do remember to request a CR for false official police report because much of those training records are total fabrications and it shouldn't be too hard for any PO to prove.
Hey, Pam Zeckman, Frank Main, Fran Spielman, look into this, if you need another scandal, dig into the CPD's smoke and mirrors training records. They are mostly false.
Yeah stupid, you missed something. As stated earlier, the order came out. But because you are such an issue-baiter yourself you just run with it without checking facts.
As I always say, those who can, do; those who can't, administer blogs.
It is going to be fun when you are finally outed. The time is close. Rumors are out there in the field that have identified you. 3rd watch, Area 5....I'll keep the rest to myself.
We only have less then 30 of these tasers so fear not. Plus they cost a shit load. oh yeah, no audio.
Already in 011.
Taser cam is here. They can actually be equipped to record sound also, but because of our evesdropping laws, we made them turn it off. Remember, video can be your best defense or worst enemy. Be careful!
Yeah stupid, you missed something.
ah, the childish insult.
As stated earlier, the order came out.
And the title of our post says it..."Did We Miss Something?" See, we're busy working the street, raising a family, hustling for the almighty dollar and we don't have time to surf every single general order and Administrative Fax like a do-nothing house mouse such as yourself. Things get lost in the shuffle. If an Adminstrative Fax is the least of what we miss, we consider ourselves lucky
But because you are such an issue-baiter yourself you just run with it without checking facts.
We'd rather be an issue baiter than a masturbater like you. Like we said, we're looking for info here to inform other reaers who might not be as lucky to work in one of these pilot districts.
As I always say, those who can, do; those who can't, administer blogs.
And those who can't do either offer nonsensical criticism and hide in the commander's office under the desk
It is going to be fun when you are finally outed. The time is close.
Could you give us a date on that so we can make sure it doesn't interfere with picking up the kids from daycare? We'd hate to miss the fireworks
Rumors are out there in the field that have identified you. 3rd watch, Area 5...
Oh no! Please don't tell Seiser!
....I'll keep the rest to myself.
and your inflatable woman, your mommy, your imaginary pony and pet elephant, and the current boss's orifice you're attached to.
Asshat
SCC, look the GO's! The is a GO about Taser cams already.
Yup...we were told at roll call (011 3rd) that the the tasers have a cam now. They W/C was unsure on whether or not it had sound.
Schenkel was a putz. For all the talk someone recently posted here regarding "training," I don't recall that he ever participated in much himself while at the helm of the Academy. Being a Marine is one thing, being effective is quite another. Lots of people were glad to see this expensive waste of an exempt position removed from the premises. And from what I hear, he has schlepped around quite a bit since then, obtaining and being let go of several jobs since his dismissal from the Academy. And regardless of his "title" in DC, I hear his role there isn't really all that much. He's just another old retired soldier who's trying to make a buck, and I don't begrudge him that. But don't make him out to be a big innovative presence here at CPD, when everyone who worked around the guy will tell you that clearly wasn't the case.
Where have you been, the academy was running training classes last year on how to download the recorded information, but not use them. And of course due to a decades old legal decision there is no audio recorded by the city's taser cams-that would violate people's rights. So the ones that the Taser people brought in had to be reconfigurede just for us which I am sure cost more/bigger kickback. The biggest problem at the class was in finding more than 3 people who could figure out where to plug the taser into a computer (like we have working computers). Camera, with audio, is a great idea because the cameras we saw record when the unit is turned on-flip the switch and the red laser and camera both go on and stay on until shut off manually. You don't need to actually hit someone with it. And the camera works even in the total darkness-was really surprised at that.
According to one of the range/training officers, the camera TASERs have good video and excellent audio. So watch what you say at all times, on the scene, on the PDT and on the radio. The greedy scumbag lawyers want it all so that they can show we are out of control racists and sadists and collect millions of tax dollars that should go to employee benefits.
Stay Safe, and Keep Mum.
SEISER SAYS GIVE ME A TASER. SEISER NOW IS IN 018 BUT WILL GLADLY CARRY A TASER. GO MIKE.
As a retired sergeant I would tell the city to stick the Taser and I would go back to my ASP and as always use the usee of force model and break their hands, arms on legs as the delivery methods. Remember the Taser is voluntary to carry.
GOOD! CAMERAS ARE OUT THERE WHETHER ANYONE LIKES IT OR NOT,IT MIGHT BE 1000-1 IN OUR FAVOR IF PEOPLE HAD MORE OF A VIEW OF WHAT WE SEE IN CASES THAT ALLEGE MISCONDUCT AND AGG. BATT TO PO.
Schenkel was a putz. For all the talk someone recently posted here regarding "training," I don't recall that he ever participated in much himself while at the helm of the Academy. Being a Marine is one thing, being effective is quite another. Lots of people were glad to see this expensive waste of an exempt position removed from the premises. And from what I hear, he has schlepped around quite a bit since then, obtaining and being let go of several jobs since his dismissal from the Academy. And regardless of his "title" in DC, I hear his role there isn't really all that much. He's just another old retired soldier who's trying to make a buck, and I don't begrudge him that. But don't make him out to be a big innovative presence here at CPD, when everyone who worked around the guy will tell you that clearly wasn't the case.
11/25/2007 11:51:00 AM
You sound like one of the people that he was going to dump from the academy because you've been there too long or you couldn't pass the physical fitness test. Hit the street!!!!
Rumors are out there in the field that have identified you. 3rd watch, Area 5...
Oh no! Please don't tell Seiser!
....I'll keep the rest to myself.
and your inflatable woman, your mommy, your imaginary pony and pet elephant, and the current boss's orifice you're attached to.
Asshat
11/25/2007 10:32:00 AM
You gotta love it.
I laugh every time I read "Asshat".
Anonymous said...
Where have you been, the academy was running training classes last year on how to download the recorded information, but not use them. And of course due to a decades old legal decision there is no audio recorded by the city's taser cams-that would violate people's rights. So the ones that the Taser people brought in had to be reconfigurede just for us which I am sure cost more/bigger kickback. The biggest problem at the class was in finding more than 3 people who could figure out where to plug the taser into a computer (like we have working computers). Camera, with audio, is a great idea because the cameras we saw record when the unit is turned on-flip the switch and the red laser and camera both go on and stay on until shut off manually. You don't need to actually hit someone with it. And the camera works even in the total darkness-was really surprised at that.
11/25/2007 12:43:00 PM
So why can squad cars have camera/mics but taser cannot??Plenty of PDs running mics with their dash cams.
"You sound like one of the people that he was going to dump from the academy because you've been there too long or you couldn't pass the physical fitness test. Hit the street!!!!
11/25/2007 09:48:00 PM
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HARV, TROLLING THE POSTS IN LIGHT OF YOUR FEEBLE MINDED EXISTENCE? MISS THE DAYS WHEN YOU & SOLDINI WE'RE CALLING THE SHOTS@ THE FIREWORKS. YOU LOOKING SO MARINE LIKE CRISP W/ YOUR GOLD STAR& SAFETY VEST.
GOOD RIDDANCE BONE STROKE, YOUR FINEST MOMENT AS A MAN& MARINE WAS WHEN PHIL CLINE HAD YOU ESCORTED OUT OF YOUR OFFICE. CLASSIC!!
So why can squad cars have camera/mics but taser cannot??Plenty of PDs running mics with their dash cams.
They can and do, there is no expectation of privacy while on the public way.
I am a male black living in Lincoln Park area. I have to say that 90% of the crime I have encountered has been with african americans. My condo was broken into by a blanck male around 30 yrs old who was caught ny the polcie running down the alley. The next two times a male black was caught breaking into my garage by police. These crimes were black on black and I thank the police for catching them. I have been pulled over in Lincoln Park for minor traffic infractons and I don't think they were done because I am black but because I made a mistake while driving. I read all the negative stories in the paper each day and I think this is a smear campaign on the police. I looked into wh ythis may be happening and found that the Police are up for a new Contract and what beter time then to rake them over the coals in the media in order to get them the lowest raise possible. I am and have always been happy with the job the Chicago police have done ever since I grew up on the west side of Chicago. I thank officer devine and lamparis for all the good they did in my neighborhood and wish to thank all those who helped clean up the crime on the 4100 block of Westend and the 4100 block of maypole. Regards, C.J.
Regardless of how one feels about Tobias, when you compare what he has accomplished at the Academy vs. what Schenkel did in his time, it makes it all the more apparent that Schenkel was the Invisible Marine. I'd take today's Academy over what it was like while Schenkel was there anytime.
To C.J.---
No, thank you!
How about you take and keep the Academy no matter who is in charge.
As long as the buddy/clout system is in place, only buddies and clout babies will teach there.
To 11/25,2007 @ 7:16....You must be retired...the taser is NOT voluntary to carry.....You MUST carry it as a supervisor....Per Order
"what Schenkel did in his time, it makes it all the more apparent that Schenkel was the Invisible Marine."
WHO SPENT ALOT OF TIME IN THE MALE LATRINE, HEY OHHH !!
i've seen taser cams in 010 a week ago.
A new pilot program in 023 will introduce baton-cam, cameras on batons. Also, cuff-cam, cameras on handcuffs. more cameras on police gear tob announced later.
Yes! Now will it play out in court? Our judicial system sucks.
"Don't tase me bro!" If you can't hear it on tape, I hope we can lip read it.
Dont forget the most important part of the Taser-Cam order -- THE NEW OPS (independent police review board) WILL BE NOTIFIED !
So expect them to come out and review the video on the W/C's computer. Get your stories together, boyz and girlz
I'm sure they will be too happy to get a number and hold a press conference in front of your station.....
Cameras are everywhere anyway. On buildings, in phones, on felons. At least this way you have some control of what you can film for your own protection. Who cares if SCC gets outed, he's a hero! But SCC, masturbating's not so bad.
To 9:20:
There has always been a notification to OPS for a Taser deployment, it's just a phone notification, same as it is now, they just changed the name.
SEISER has the credentials to be the next Superintendent!!!!
Top ten reasons are as follows..
1.When the boogeyman goes to sleep at night he checks his closet for Seiser.
2.Seiser is the reason no one can find Waldo
3.Seiser's hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal flush
4.Seiser does not wear a watch, he decides what time it is.
5.Seiser can slam a revolving door!
6.If Seiser punches you in a dream you die
7.Seiser does not love Raymond
8.Seiser can kick start a beat car
9.Seiser played russian roulette with a fully loaded gun and WON!!
10.Seiser is the only man allowed to talk about Fight Club
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