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- A Chicago police officer faces drunken driving charges five months after a crash that killed a woman. The victim's family says the DUI citation is too little, too late.
[...] there are now accusations that the officer's inebriation and involvement in causing the accident was covered up because of his position.
The other individual was charged with misdemeanor DUI. But the family of the victim claims they had to sue the hospital to get the blood work up on the cop from 5 months previously, and it wasn't pretty.
What also isn't going to be pretty is what's going to happen to whatever officers did this accident report. The Department is looking for sacrificial lambs to slaughter. Batten down the hatches. Again.
What also isn't going to be pretty is what's going to happen to whatever officers did this accident report. The Department is looking for sacrificial lambs to slaughter. Batten down the hatches. Again.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
76 Comments:
IF THE P.O. IS BROUGHT TO THE HOSPITAL FOR AN EMERGENCY/TREATED BY DOCTORS AND BLOOD DRAWN IT THEN BECOMES THE HOSPITALS RESPOSIBILITY TO NOTIFY THE POLICE DEPT OF THE LEVEL OF BLOOD ALCOHOL. THE POLICE HANDLING THE ACCIDENT OR ANOTHER CAR WILL THEN BE NOTIFIED, BESIDES HOW DO YOU ADMINISTER ANY TYPE OF SOBRIETY TEST IN THE E/R WITH DR.S,NURSES AND BEING WIRED TO MACHINES FAIRLY. YOU CANT.CANT DO IT AS A REFUSAL EITHER. NO COVER UP THERE. STILL WONT BRING BACK THE GIRL.
Unless you are charged with Reckless Homicide for a DUI crash, all DUI's are misdemeanors. There where several civilian witnesses interviewed the night this happened. They were driving east or west on 87th Street and not involved in the crash. They all gave statements saying the woman made a turn in front of the motorcycle. She's at fault for causing the crash by law, and any civil proceeding regardless of the officers soberity at the time. He might get nailed for the DUI, but he will not get charged with any felony. Well, he should not by law. But he is a PO.
From what I "Heard" the broad in the car, who was loaded too, was at fault. The only reason there is a death is because it was on a bike.
The Chicago Police Department is beyond shot!!!
Never heard of vehicle #2 (traffic accident) getting a DUI.
Never enable an addict. Never. You'll get burned.
Actually, if he was incapacitated due to the accident, (which I am sure he was being that he was on a motorcycle that was hit by a car) and wasn't able to give a field sobriety test or even a field interview isn't it the hospitals responsibility to notify the police of his blood results showing he was intoxicated while operating a motor vehicle? If I am not mistaking isn't there a Illinois statute requiring hospitals to notify the police of blood results that are related to a fatal traffic crash? Isn’t there a G.O. that explains DUI's procedures when notified by hospitals for these type of incidents? Sounds like the blame is on the hospital for not notifying the police of blood test results and not the big conspiracy the media claims it is.
The R/Os might be in trouble? I dont see why; isnt there somewhere
on the report where the Copper can check a box that says" alcohol wasn't a factor"?
Maybe the other car was completely at fault, whereas a misdemeanor is the approp.charge.
All the more reason, if your going to drink, use a cab.........
EAT OUR OWN!!! Then bosses should be fired for misconduct! Hello FOP!!BTW-What does FOP ever do for us?NOTHING but take our money
Yes scc again in your wisdom your right! The coppers who did the accident report are now screwed also! They will be lucky if they only lose their jobs! Be careful boys and girls the past can and will haunt you!
Years ago I handled a job where a goofy ppo pulled a gun in traffic on a couple and then chased them down, he was blind drunk! called a sgt the asshole ppo was told to blow by an ads he blew 3x the limit and he was gone! If you do boneheaded shit like this you deserve whatever you get! My job or yours see ya your gone!
The days of covering up obvious malfeasance on the part of our brothers in blue is over. Do the right thing, because the job you save may be your own. And yes, I've seen accidents handled where both parties were charged with DUI, even though one party was clearly at fault. Don't drink and drive....
Yes scc again in your wisdom your right! The coppers who did the accident report are now screwed also! They will be lucky if they only lose their jobs! Be careful boys and girls the past can and will haunt you!
You're wrong and your "...fucked for being the police" commentary is not appreciated. The paper car did nothing wrong. The detectives and bosses involved are being "Monday morning quarterbacked". It would be sensible if the incorrect information posted on this blog could be erased, but we live in a society where even dumbasses are allowed a voice. Whether you are a ill-informed police officer or trouble making lawyer/reporter, I personally would appreciate it if you don't fuck with people lives.
Why would any one want this shit job?
I have to disagree with 11/21 @ 12:48 A.M. saying that unless you are charged with Reckless Homicide, all DUI's are misdemeanors. Michael's Law (Named after CPD Officer Gordon, killed by a DUI Driver) says that if you have no insurance, no drivers license and driving under the influence, it is a Class 4 Felony.
ENOUGH WITH THE SPOOKY TALK! KNOW YOUR PROFESSION! ALTHOUGH HE WAS DRUNK HE WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACCIDENT THEREFOR CAN ONLY BE CHARGED WITH THE MISDEMEANOR DUI. NO MATTER WHAT THE FAMILY CLAIMS HIS INTOXICATION WAS NOT THE CAUSE OF A DEATH, I AM A DUI GUY THAT HAS BEEN DOING THEM FOR YEARS I KNOW ALL THESE LAWS INSIDE AND OUT. BEFORE YOU GET ON HERE AND BRING THE NOISE, KNOW THE LAWS. THE FAMILY IS OBVIOUSLY STRIKING UP A LAWSUIT AND TRYING TO CREATE AN AUDIENCE. IF THE CITY FIGHTS THEY WILL HAVE A GOOD CASE.
Unless you are charged with Reckless Homicide for a DUI crash, all DUI's are misdemeanors
Then why am I calling Felony review for about 75% of all DUI arrests???
R/O should be fine. They could not determine if alcohol was a factor. All parties were taken to the hospital, and it takes more than a few minutes for the hospital to draw blood and test it so they checked "NOT A FACTOR".
MAYBE
Yes it is the hospitals responsibility.
An IAD investigation going on now re: an accident, Dr. informed PO's of BAC, PO's didn't do DUI. Dr. obtained a CR#. Field sobriety tests are not required for a DUI situation like this.
Even if you do not "cause" the crash, but are merely involved, you can be written up for a DUI.
And to the person who posted ... called a sgt the asshole ppo was told to blow by an ads he blew 3x the limit and he was gone!
He's still on the job, still a drunk. Family owns a copper bar.
I know Geno he is a great guy and policeman. I hope everything turns out alright for him. The lesson here is remember if you drink and drive even if the crash it is not your fault it still is under the law.
If this even goes to court, the test the blood test the hospital used can be quesioned. The main one is did paramedics hook the PO up to an IV at the scene and was the PO on an IV prior to the test.
Also, how long after the accident was the blood test done?
These all question the credibility of the test. This is much ado about nothing. If the hospital did not notify the Police about the blood test results, guess who is getting sued next?
Anonymous said...
The Chicago Police Department is beyond shot!!!
Never heard of vehicle #2 (traffic accident) getting a DUI.
11/21/2007 01:26:00 ================================
Obviously you haven't worked the street much.
I once DUI'd both persons involved in a traffic accident, they were both falling down drunk and that is most likely the reason they were still able to walk afterwards.
You write a ticket to Driver #2 if he has no insurance or a suspended DL, why not a DUI?
The copper was hammered, he should be DUI'd, but the circumstances do not warrant a felony.
When will you party boys and party gals realize that the days of going out and getting blasted after work are over?
I suggest that if you feel the need to get hammered every day need to take a "Am I an Alcoholic" self test.
Signed--An old timer who was once you, now sober and fights the battle every day not to drink.
Its all about how big your phone call is.
This outstandings citizens family member who killed a girl do to her actions only got a misdermeanor DUI. That is the FRIKING TRADGEDY!
I am not up on all the DUI statues pertaing to blood drawn by a hospital. Howver even if the Driver who was not at fault was dui I would think he gets the Misdermeanor and the one who caused the reckless homocide deserves the reckless homocide charge. UNFRIKIN BELIEVEABLE!. Coppurs Friend gets killed by somone who is dui and he the full blame.......AS usual another reason to fuck a P.O. These citizens who have 3-4 dui's get a slap. Here is a coppur who freind was killed and pf course it time to put all the blame on him and hang him out to dry.
Anyone who knows this coppur knows he's a great guy. Bitches a llittle but who doesn't. Would go through the door anyday and have him on the scene. One resourceful guy to have on your side in times of the oh shit! So speedy recovery to him and hope he doesn't get as fucked as they are planning on sticking him.
Geno great guy and a great copper. It's a terrible tragedy that his female friend died in this crash. The driver that cut infront of his motorcycle was at fault. Alcohol, no matter how much or little in Geno's system was not a factor and didn't kill this girl. The other driver in car is at fault. Nobody ever gives motorcycles any notice on the streets anymore. It's dangerous enough in a car in Chicago. You couldn't pay me any amount of money to ride in the city. Maybe in the country on rural roads but not in the city. Geno - hang in there bud!
The hospital draws blood if they even get a hint of a driver being loaded, copper or not. They do not have the legal restrictions that we do because they have to know blood alcohol in order to treat the patient (like give other medicine). They have the report printed up in a heartbeat, and give it to the responding officer (if at the hosp) or else they call 911 and have a report made. Please remember, nothing good comes from mixing alcohol and gasoline, at a minimum there are attorneys costs, at the maximum you lose all that you have worked for and risk jail. It's just not worth it.
Been there, paid a price.
...Unless you are charged with Reckless Homicide for a DUI crash, all DUI's are misdemeanors...
not true anymore...see order
"Years ago I handled a job where a goofy ppo pulled a gun in traffic on a couple and then chased them down, he was blind drunk! called a sgt the asshole ppo was told to blow by an ads he blew 3x the limit and he was gone! If you do boneheaded shit like this you deserve whatever you get! My job or yours see ya your gone!
11/21/2007 07:23:00 AM"
THESE TYPE OF INCIDENTS OCCUR ON A DAILY BASIS, THE PO ON DUTY TO NO FAULT OF HIS/HER IS PUT IN A COMPROMISING SITUATION. ONLY TO BE TRICK BAGGED BY THEIR SGT, W/C D/C DEPUTY TAKE YOUR PICK.
THE MYSTERY PHONECALL OR AGENT PROVOCATUER ARIVES ON SCENE BECAUSE SOME CLOUT CLOWN F'D UP & THE LOWLY BEAT OFFCIER IS PUT IN A COMPROMISING SITUATION.
DAMNED IF YOU DO EITHER WAY& LEFT TO BE HUNG OUT TO DRY.
AH THE FYNE CITY OD CHICAGAH WHERE CLOUT RULES THE DAY!!
YOU CAN CHARGE BOTH DRIVERS WITH DUIS, AT FAULT DRIVER AND DRIVER NO,2 BUT IF HE WENT TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY DREW BLOOD, THE HOSPITAL IS SUPPOSE TO NOTIFY THE P.O.S. AS FAR THE TIME FRAME I BELEIVE ITS STILL 365 DAYS FOR A DUI, MEANING HE DID NOT HAVE TO BE CHARGED THAT DAY. AS FAR COURT GOES IF NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY CASE FOR THE STATE TO WIN. I ADVICE TO ALL P.O.S DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE, AND STAY SAFE.
THIS GUY LOST A FRIEND AND WE SIT HERE AND TEAR HIM DOWN. I KNOW HIM AND HE CAN BE A ROYAL PAIN IN THE ASS BUT LETS NOT FORGET A LIFE WAS LOST. ARE WE GOING TO SAY BECAUSE HE WAS IN SOS THAT AND HIS SGT DID THE COVER UP? COME ON THIS JOB IS OVER AND WE SHOULD LET THE ANIMALS HAVE THE CITY AND EAT THE MAYOR ALIVE. HE WOULD FEED US TO THEM!!!
To: If this even goes to court, the test the blood test the hospital used can be quesioned. The main one is did paramedics hook the PO up to an IV at the scene and was the PO on an IV prior to the test.
Also, how long after the accident was the blood test done?
These all question the credibility of the test. This is much ado about nothing. If the hospital did not notify the Police about the blood test results, guess who is getting sued next?
11/21/2007 10:05:00 AM
First of all I feel for the copper, I wish to god he wasn't in this situation. Secondly, this may be postering by the family of the deceased, ie WRONGFUL DEATH lawsuit. If the other driver didn't have insurance they are going to turn to the one that did and if he was 501, the burden in civil court is alot less as we know.
Thirdly, 625 ILCS 5/11-501.4-1mandates that hospital er's contact the police and disclose the BAC level of a driver in their care. This statute is HIPPA exempt and does not fall under doctor patient priveledge. Next, just because the paramedics started an IV solution would not in and of itself void a hospital blood draw, even if they administered meds that wouldn't negate the draw....Alcohol shows up as ETOH on a blood draw, any other meds administered fall under different categories.
Lastly, if involved in a crash and taken to the hospital by EMS there is no reason for SFST's to be performed. The fact that the hospital er informs you of a BAC level becomes your probable cause and there is nothing that says as mucha s it sucks that he can't be charged with AGG DUI (being under the influence and involved in a crash resulting in a fatality), nothing says you have to be the at fault vehicle.
Little long of a response and I'm sorry, I wish the copper all the luck in the world.
THESE TYPE OF INCIDENTS OCCUR ON A DAILY BASIS, THE PO ON DUTY TO NO FAULT OF HIS/HER IS PUT IN A COMPROMISING SITUATION. ONLY TO BE TRICK BAGGED BY THEIR SGT, W/C D/C DEPUTY TAKE YOUR PICK.
THE MYSTERY PHONECALL OR AGENT PROVOCATUER ARIVES ON SCENE BECAUSE SOME CLOUT CLOWN F'D UP & THE LOWLY BEAT OFFCIER IS PUT IN A COMPROMISING SITUATION.
DAMNED IF YOU DO EITHER WAY& LEFT TO BE HUNG OUT TO DRY.
AH THE FYNE CITY OD CHICAGAH WHERE CLOUT
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I'VE NEVER HAD THAT HAPPEN. COME OUT OF YOUR DREAM WORLD ON WHAT YOURE AFRAID COULD HAPPEN. HE WAS CHARGED ACCORDINGLY, ITS BEING BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION FOR A LAWSUIT. STOP ALL THESE RIDICULOUS STATEMENTS ON HERE YOU SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF FUCKIN NUTS. THINGS TAKE TIME FOR SOME INCIDENTS SOME THINGS ARE CUT AND DRY, EITHER WAY THE APPROPRIATE CHARGES WERE GIVEN.
While this was a tragic accident, again when is the family of the deceased going to accept responsibilty for her own actions. She is an ADULT who decided to drink excessively and then get on the back of a motorcycle with the operator who had also been drinking.If she was sober herself would she have gotten on that motorcycle?? I dare to say no. This wasnt a little kid that didnt have any other choice. But now that the family knows it was an off-duty po they see the ghetto lottery, sue and you are gauranteed to get some money. As an adult I make a decision to do something I am willing to accept the consequences that come with my actions. I would love for the families of these kids that overdosed on tainted heroin try to sue the drugs dealers for selling their family members bad dope.
I will not take the "fall" or blame for anything. I did my job and wrote the report. I did the "preliminary" investigation. There was a fatality and the A/1 detectives were on scene and at the hospital investigating the incident. They (A/1)told me that this was thier case and dictated everything....so, this is thier case not mine....
P.O Alaniz.
FYI
The issue for an Aggravated DUI-Accident Death/Great Bodily Harm is:
1. Did the driver commit a traffic violation (other than DUI)?
2. Is the driver a DUI?
3. Was that traffic violation the proximate cause of the accident?
In the case of a death, Major Accidents makes the determination as to the cause of the accident.
Obviously you haven't worked the street much.
I once DUI'd both persons involved in a traffic
11/21/2007 10:36:00 AM
No I worked in 011 and haven't written a ticket since 1991. Traffic court was on LaSalle Street back then. But the job needed traffic people like you.
They say in the old days the traffic was handled by the matrons/women.
I know Gene also he is a good guy, just made the mistake we allhave made at one time in life. Drinking and then driving. We have all done it and let's not sugar coat it and say we have not unless you are not a drinker of course. They are going to try to get him on the infamous rule "bringing discredit to the dept." etc., etc. Lets continue to pray for him and the family of all involved they really need it.
Yes, #2 can be charged with DUI. Example: both drivers are drunk. Duh.
Motorcyclist (driver) gets carried to hospital by ambulance. By law, hospital must notify local police if preliminary test show a BAC or drugs. Again, by law, (we uphold the law, remember) local police must send someone to investigate and write the DUI.
Why this took 6 months is for the usual reasons. Whoever handled the original crash blew it off that the PO was over the limit. Look for that officer to take some time. Why put your career on the line for someone who knowingly drives drunk? Who are you helping?
And to whoever still thinks all DUI's are misdemeanors, ask any wagon crew on days about how many felony DUI's they haul to CBC-2 (Br 2) for felony traffic bond hearings at 26/Cal.
There are numerous circumstances that trigger felony DUI. This isn't your father's police department. It is against the law to drive drunk, and here's a shocker: It is against the law to drive drunk even if you are a police officer. You never do anyone a favor if you allow them to get away with driving drunk. They might go out and kill someone the next night.
I've seen it happen.
I've DUI'ed Vehicle 2's and have delt with many off duty drunk coppers. I am going to go out on a limb here and say "Don't Drink and Drive!!" It's his own damn fault he got a DUI. Duh!!!
Just because we are the police, doesn't mean we are immune to the laws. For some reason, most coppers think it's perfectly alright to get shitfaced and drive.
It's not alright to get shitfaced and drive. If you're drunk, don't drive, plain and simple.
"I know Geno he is a great guy and policeman. I hope everything turns out alright for him. The lesson here is remember if you drink and drive even if the crash it is not your fault it still is under the law.
11/21/2007 10:05:00 AM"
Perhaps a momentary lack of judgment on his part? That Geno from 011 fame?
Any copper who comments here and doesn't say this guy fucked up is a total assclown. He was drunk, she's dead. Is it possible his alcohol influenced state delayed his reaction time? who knows. But I know this: I don't feel sorry for any of you mother fuckers who drink and drive. period. fuck you. you jeapordize your job, family, freedom. fuck you. then "poor me" it was only once, cmon we all do it. fuck you. no we all don't. drink and drive, i hope you do get fired, cuz it may be my family driving that night. FUCK YOU.
I AM A DUI GUY THAT HAS BEEN DOING THEM FOR YEARS I KNOW ALL THESE LAWS INSIDE AND OUT......
Really? I'M A ROCKS AND BLOWS GUY!!!!!
Who are you people?.
Do you always DUI someone who is drunk? (not an auto accident)
If they work for a living and get a little jerked up, I give them a ride home. If they live far away I make the key dissapear. Oh my god!, thats illegal!
That is what used to make us cool. We, as blue collar guys, understand what life is all about.
Here comes all the I could lose my job,my family member was killed in a DUI crap.
As I recall, didn't that accident happen before noon? How do you get on a M/C and be shitfaced during that time? And with your lady on the bike too? I'm not going to come out and say the accident was his fault, because he was obviously cut off by the car, but...WHAT WAS HE THINKING? When are we all going to wake up and cut this bullshit out? How many more hits does our profession have to take?
Anonymous said...
Any copper who comments here and doesn't say this guy fucked up is a total assclown. He was drunk, she's dead. Is it possible his alcohol influenced state delayed his reaction time? who knows. But I know this: I don't feel sorry for any of you mother fuckers who drink and drive. period. fuck you. you jeapordize your job, family, freedom. fuck you. then "poor me" it was only once, cmon we all do it. fuck you. no we all don't. drink and drive, i hope you do get fired, cuz it may be my family driving that night. FUCK YOU.
11/21/2007 11:38:00 PM
You shouldn't be on the police department...you should give speaches at the Vatican. You are next in line to take Pope Benedict's position. Wow..you are awesome/the real deal!!
Anonymous said...
I've DUI'ed Vehicle 2's and have delt with many off duty drunk coppers....It's his own damn fault he got a DUI. Duh!!!
11/21/2007 08:51:00 PM
You're right no one should do anything and be a pussy like you've been your whole life. Society is changing beyond belief and this job is shot beyond belief.
Look at history...will the USA be a world power forever? Ask the ancient Romans, Germans, Egyptians, Persians, Greeks!!
Anonymous said...
I know Gene also he is a good guy, just made the mistake we allhave made at one time in life. Drinking and then driving. We have all done it and let's not sugar coat it and say we have not unless you are not a drinker of course. They are going to try to get him on the infamous rule "bringing discredit to the dept." etc., etc. Lets continue to pray for him and the family of all involved they really need it.
11/21/2007 07:40:00 PM
Mistake no assclown someone was KILLED! Maybe if he was no a drunk his reaction and thought process would of reacted sooner! The best case for him is job loss! No crying for geno! Bye see you at your fund raiser!
Anonymous said...
I will not take the "fall" or blame for anything. I did my job and wrote the report. I did the "preliminary" investigation. There was a fatality and the A/1 detectives were on scene and at the hospital investigating the incident. They (A/1)told me that this was thier case and dictated everything....so, this is thier case not mine....
P.O Alaniz.
Why would area detective be involved in a traffic crash investigation? Most detectives could not fill out a traffic crash report and know nothing about DUI. Most sergeants have no idea about DUI procedures. I do not blame the reporting officers. This is a sign we need more personnel trained in DUI and traffic crash. How many sergeants could complete a report? officers do not have resources to help them at the scene. I feel for the officers who handled the case. But in this climate they will be punished. Times have changed and protecting off duty officers for DUI is risky, especially when blood was taken at a hospital and a death was involved. Many will call me names but why risk a career? Why drink and drive?
Anonymous said...
Who are you people?.
That is what used to make us cool. We, as blue collar guys, understand what life is all about.
11/22/2007 05:17:00 AM
You're 100% right...but those days are obviously gone~~
...IF THE CITY FIGHTS THEY WILL HAVE A GOOD CASE...
Why would the City be involved at all?
Really? I'M A ROCKS AND BLOWS GUY!!!!!
11/22/2007 01:04:00 AM
Yeah this makes you the "REAL POLICE". You guys are such blowhards. Get over yourself, it's real hard to find dope in the ghetto. They practically jump in your car at ever turn.
This incident is tragic. Motorcyclist's #1 enemy is the left turner. Complete disregard for the headlight coming towards them, or not paying attention, or chatting on cell phone, or playing with radio, eating cheetos, whateverthefruck. He could have been sober or drunk what's the difference if a cage turns 5 feet in front of you, you cannot swerve or stop close to 1300#'s at even 35 mph. I'm sorry for that young women's life and the pain, grief and anger her family is going through. It's a natural reaction. I'm deeply sorry for the pain this officer who spends his career helping and saving people, will have to go through physically but mostly emotionally and mentally. MY prayers for all parties involved.
Really? I'M A ROCKS AND BLOWS GUY!!!!!
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I'm a bitches and Ho's guy!
SCC I have attempted to post here about Geno twice and have not seen my post. Am I not being nice enough? He fucked up and a girl is dead. What more can I say? Maybe I am saying it wrong. Please advise.
PS. Keep up the great work, because this city sucks and needs the exposure.
Hey Mr./Ms I blew it off, you say......Why this took 6 months is for the usual reasons. Whoever handled the original crash blew it off that the PO was over the limit. Look for that officer to take some time. Why put your career on the line for someone who knowingly drives drunk? Who are you helping?........You have no clue to what you are talking about. You know who I am. I did the report. Talk to me and I will educate you on how the investigation was handled.....accordingly...I have nothing to hide.
11/21/2007 06:28:00 AM
Believe it or not, there are some doctors who will refuse to administer a DUI kit. Don't know why they would protect a DUI offender, but it happens.
11/21/2007 09:21:00 AM
Just a guess, Mexicans with no license?
Signed--An old timer who was once you, now sober and fights the battle every day not to drink.
11/21/2007 10:36:00 AM
Good advice. And, you're not alone.
Anonymous said...
Any copper who comments here and doesn't say this guy fucked up is a total assclown. He was drunk, she's dead. Is it possible his alcohol influenced state delayed his reaction time? who knows. But I know this: I don't feel sorry for any of you mother fuckers who drink and drive. period. fuck you. you jeapordize your job, family, freedom. fuck you. then "poor me" it was only once, cmon we all do it. fuck you. no we all don't. drink and drive, i hope you do get fired, cuz it may be my family driving that night. FUCK YOU.
11/21/2007 11:38:00 PM
Statistics indicate that people who drink and drive do so all the time. Specifically, 200 to 2000 times before they are ever curbed.
A DUI is usually the tip of the iceberg. Before someone gets a DUI there are many warning signs: spouse complaining, relationship issues, health issues, maybe referred to EAP by employer, neighbors gossiping, etc. Another fairly recent phenomenon are the extremely high BAC levels we are seeing. Alcohol is a depressant. When someone is going 90/55 on 294 at 4am in the morning and blow .20 or higher, you should assume they are also under the influence of cocaine. Probably did a little coke right before they left the bar for the ride home. At least that's what they tell us. Since blood work is only required because of a crash, and BAC is usually the only administered test, my guess is that well over half the DUI offenders are also under the influence of another drug.
It's not that difficult to make responsible arrangements. A DUI means one thing and that is that alcohol comes first.
---chemical dependency counselor
Anonymous said...
Who are you people?.
Do you always DUI someone who is drunk? (not an auto accident)
If they work for a living and get a little jerked up, I give them a ride home. If they live far away I make the key dissapear. Oh my god!, thats illegal!
That is what used to make us cool. We, as blue collar guys, understand what life is all about.
Here comes all the I could lose my job,my family member was killed in a DUI crap.
11/22/2007 05:17:00 AM
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Yeah thats all fine until the one time YOU aren't there to give him a ride home and he kills a friend of family member. WAKE UP!!!!
Here comes all the I could lose my job,my family member was killed in a DUI crap.
11/22/2007 05:17:00 AM
Apparently you have not lost anyone in your life to a drunk driver. It can happen stupid. I really hope you don't sit there thinking, it will never happen to MY family. IT CAN!!! Will your opinion change once it effects YOUR life? I bet it will.
....Here comes all the I could lose my job,my family member was killed in a DUI crap.
11/22/2007 05:17:00 AM
So....you don't think there is anything wrong with driving drunk? You're an asshat then! If there is any justice, it will be your family or friends killed by a drunk driver, not mine.
Now go fuck yourself!
Anonymous said...
Any copper who comments here and doesn't say this guy fucked up is a total assclown. He was drunk, she's dead. Is it possible his alcohol influenced state delayed his reaction time? who knows. But I know this: I don't feel sorry for any of you mother fuckers who drink and drive. period. fuck you. you jeapordize your job, family, freedom. fuck you. then "poor me" it was only once, cmon we all do it. fuck you. no we all don't. drink and drive, i hope you do get fired, cuz it may be my family driving that night. FUCK YOU
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a whack job types the above paragraph! go see a psyc. you need medicine. very angry person you our! there called accidents! FREAK
.....Why would area detective be involved in a traffic crash investigation?
Because that is no longer a Major Accidents Unit. They were farmed out to the area detectives
Never ever drink then drive. Not one drop whatsoever. I teach my students that at traffic safety school. You get pulled over for a minor violation and the first thing that gets everyone's attention is the odor of alcoholic beverage emanating from your breath. DUI kills and it contributes to nearly 50% of all traffic fatalities. Driving is not a cause worth dying over.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Any copper who comments here and doesn't say this guy fucked up is a total assclown. He was drunk, she's dead. Is it possible his alcohol influenced state delayed his reaction time? who knows. But I know this: I don't feel sorry for any of you mother fuckers who drink and drive. period. fuck you. you jeapordize your job, family, freedom. fuck you. then "poor me" it was only once, cmon we all do it. fuck you. no we all don't. drink and drive, i hope you do get fired, cuz it may be my family driving that night. FUCK YOU
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a whack job types the above paragraph! go see a psyc. you need medicine. very angry person you our! there called accidents! FREAK
11/22/2007 11:56:00 PM
No jagoff he was DRUNK and someone was killed like the other asshole who killed 2 people drunken cpd punk kid copper fuck him and fuck you! Now have a nice drink and get fucked!
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Why would area detective be involved in a traffic crash investigation? Most detectives could not fill out a traffic crash report and know nothing about DUI. Most sergeants have no idea about DUI procedures. I do not blame the reporting officers. This is a sign we need more personnel trained in DUI and traffic crash. How many sergeants could complete a report? officers do not have resources to help them at the scene. I feel for the officers who handled the case. But in this climate they will be punished. Times have changed and protecting off duty officers for DUI is risky, especially when blood was taken at a hospital and a death was involved. Many will call me names but why risk a career? Why drink and drive?
11/22/2007 11:20:00 AM
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The area detectives have been hanlding fatal crashes for about two years now, since Cline took the responsibility away from MAIS. You are absolutely right though that a majority of the detectives since that point have had little if any training in the DUI process...
Unofrtunately, we don't really receive enough DUI training to the point where most of us are comfortable conducting a DUI investigation. Add that to the fact that very few FTOs will volunteer to take one while training their PPOs, and you have a recipe for inconsistency bordering strongly on incompetentcy. And most coppers, rather than ask for help/advice/assistance, will take the shortcut route, and simply blow off handling a crash properly when one or both parties involved are impaired. Time to wake up people, and do the right thing. Doing the wrong thing, as we've all seen for the past year, has suddenly become very expensive to all involved.
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Any copper who comments here and doesn't say this guy fucked up is a total assclown. He was drunk, she's dead. Is it possible his alcohol influenced state delayed his reaction time? who knows. But I know this: I don't feel sorry for any of you mother fuckers who drink and drive. period. fuck you. you jeapordize your job, family, freedom. fuck you. then "poor me" it was only once, cmon we all do it. fuck you. no we all don't. drink and drive, i hope you do get fired, cuz it may be my family driving that night. FUCK YOU
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a whack job types the above paragraph! go see a psyc. you need medicine. very angry person you our! there called accidents! FREAK
11/22/2007 11:56:00 PM
Go sleep it off, come back and post when you're sober.
I would love for the families of these kids that overdosed on tainted heroin try to sue the drugs dealers for selling their family members bad dope.
11/21/2007 05:48:00 PM
Carroll O'Connor did just that and won.
Don't drink and drive!!
You might hit a pot-hole and spill your drink on your lap.
It would appear, based on the comments posted here so far, that we as a Dept still have a long way to go with regard to alcohol abuse;
it seems far too many here are still comfortable in the role of ENABLER, covering up and/or making excuses for our impaired brethren.
That whole culture has got to change, or we as a Dept. will simply cease to move forward. I don't think most people here feel we've gained any positive ground as a Dept. in over a year now.
There has been a lot of comments on the female driver who cut off the motorcycle, and that happens. Motorcycles are more difficult to see, drunk or not. She was not, she was under the legal limit. The accident was truly that, an accident. However, we shouldn't ignore that the driver of the motorcyle was drunk,three times the legal limit, in fact. Unfortunately, he was the police but again, sometimes that happens.
No one has addressed yet that the female that was killed was drinking with the copper and knew he had been drinking. WHY then would she get on the back of his motorcycle? It's all very unfortunate, but there is blame for all that were involved.
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There has been a lot of comments on the female driver who cut off the motorcycle, and that happens. Motorcycles are more difficult to see, drunk or not. She was not, she was under the legal limit. The accident was truly that, an accident. However, we shouldn't ignore that the driver of the motorcyle was drunk,three times the legal limit, in fact. Unfortunately, he was the police but again, sometimes that happens.
No one has addressed yet that the female that was killed was drinking with the copper and knew he had been drinking. WHY then would she get on the back of his motorcycle? It's all very unfortunate, but there is blame for all that were involved.
11/24/2007 10:13:00 AM
SHE was not drunk? No. 1 how do you know she wasn't drunk? Where you there? She WAS impaired...over the legal limit or not. So she is to be the first one to blame in all of this....she caused the accident....otherwise ALL their drunk asses would have made it home to drink another day.
I was there that night/morning and tried to help them. I'd like to clear up some of the myth's and questions.
The accident did occur before noon; about 10 hours before between 0130 and 0200.
The people in Unit # 1 were White, not Mexicans.
Unit 1 did turn in front of the Officer and Passenger on the motorcycle; however the Passenger was thrown atleast 100' from the bike and Unit 1 (I believe a Dodge Charger) was spun around before coming to rest. Both the launch of the Victim and movement of the vehicles indicate an impact with Unit 2 (weighing approx. 850 lbs) moving at a high rate of speed. The posted speed limit for that stretch of 87th Street is 35MPH.
There were Detectives at Christ, the people in Unit 1 were within eyeshot of the Trauma Room where the Officer was being treated and emotions were high because "One of Ours" was down. As far as alcohol; I'm sure it played some part but to what level I don't know?
Let us not forget the Lady/Passenger who died. A life was lost and there is little mention of her. Yes, maybe she should of used better judgement and not gotten on the back; but she didn't, she put her life in the hands of a friend whom she trusted. Who are we to place blame upon her.
When I first came on all the bosses were like your Grandpa or Grandma (and about as old). I worked for a Boss on the West Side who used to say "I don't care if you were the 3rd Man on the grassy knoll in Dallas Kid! I'll write you out!" (The grassy knoll makes reference to the assination of JFK; for those who had no idea what I was talking about.)
The days of trying to help each other out in unethical ways are gone. All you can do now is try and not hurt the Person involved and report things as accurately and professionally as possible. We also need to grow up and take responsibilties for our actions, afterall isn't this what we are trying to teach our Kids?
At this point I'm more concerned about some of the readers than the Officer who was hurt. If he's the Man I think he is the loss of Friend that didn't need to be is much worse than any conviction.
Remember, try not hurt each other, but "Do the Right Thing."
Gene is a nut and an angry drunk. His badge should have been taken back in his wild Burbank Brutality days. Take his badge please. You're doing the entire world a favor. The guy is a reckless 14 Karat ASSHOLE! He gives us all a bad name!!!!!
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