Scandal in Waiting
The Chicago Police Department has begun reviewing whether officers have been properly executing search warrants.
In the first wave of audits, 39 search warrants were checked to see if they were filled out according to department rules.
In auditing the first of the search warrants that will be checked, inspectors focused on 39 warrants obtained in July by the city's gang and gun teams.
Twenty-five led to arrests and 33 resulted in seized property.
As cited, this would appear to be part of the cloud following at least two Area gun teams that readers of this site are aware of. Most of the seized "property" you can safely assume were guns (Gun Teams = gun numbers).
We'd like to know if the Supreme Court strikes down various municipal gun laws as unconstitutional, would the owners of these now legal handguns be entitled to restitution and replacement of hundreds, if not thousands of guns, confiscated under the old system? It'd be more than a little ironic if Chicago and Mayor Daley ended up buying thousands of guns for people wronged under unconstitutional seizures, illegal search warrants and improper procedural errors.
We'd like to know if the Supreme Court strikes down various municipal gun laws as unconstitutional, would the owners of these now legal handguns be entitled to restitution and replacement of hundreds, if not thousands of guns, confiscated under the old system? It'd be more than a little ironic if Chicago and Mayor Daley ended up buying thousands of guns for people wronged under unconstitutional seizures, illegal search warrants and improper procedural errors.
Labels: department issues, gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
69 Comments:
THEY DONT MAKE LAW RETROACTIVE.
IF THEY TOOK YOUR GUN ITS GONE.
YOU SHOULD SEE THE SCAM THEY HAVE NOW FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LEGAL GUNS TRYING TO GET THEM BACK FROM ERPS.
THE DEPARTMENT THINKS THEY CAN HOLD PROPERTY AFTER A CASE IS DISMISSED AND PLAY GAMES WITH THE OWNERS OF LEGAL WEAPONS.
In answer to your question, the owners of any siezed guns would NOT be entitled to restitution and/or replacement if Chicago's anti-gun law was overturned by the Supreme Court.
That being said, if the Department were still in possession of any such weapons, they would most likely have to be returned to the owner via court order. However, if the case has already made its way to final adjudication owners of said guns would not be eligible for compensation, as the law was valid at the time.
-- A hated lawyer who knows
The ever increasing liberal society, the politicians and yes, the minority community are pushing forward to stop the police from being the police.
After 20 years of working the inner city, to this day I don't understand this. I have watched and seen over the years, 1000's of young Black and Hispanic children and young adults killed by violence. I would of thought that many who live in these areas would want a ton of police presence as well as tough policing.
I am not one who believes in conspiracy theories but one has to wonder what the heck is going on in this world. One of my beliefs, especially in the black communities is that the people do want street justice for the violent crimes committed on their love ones. They get outraged when a young male family member ends up in prison just for settling a violent crime with another violent crime. But then again, I have to say as a white guy growing up in a white area of the City, no matter how long I work these areas, I will never really understand why it is the way it is.
In the inner city neighborhoods, the church cloth wearing preachers come out to protect the bad, the criminal and the most violent people around. Maybe these preachers are monetarily gaining from these criminals and gang bangers or getting other favors. I really don't know.
But getting back to the SEARCH WARRANT AUDIT. I see a few problems with this. If the City finds something wrong with an already executed S/W, they would have to place complaints against not only the officers who got the warrant but the whole chain of command who actually approved the warrant and also the supervisors who were present during the execution of the warrant. Otherwise how can you explain that these heavily connected bosses approved the warrant and not "caught" the wrong procedures or improper information?
There would be 1/2 the working department at CALL BACK.
So I say this is smoke and mirrors, unless they are going to step on a lot of big toes and heavy bosses who are just as much responsible as the officers obtaining the warrant.
off topic:
But what is with these recruits coming out of the academy and loving this Tobias guy. I've worked with quite a bit of recruits in the past few months and i always ask them how thier academy went and lately they've all been saying "what a great guy Tobias is" and how "cool he is" and how "approachable he is" etc.. I can't believe that they even have interaction with him. I mean, what the f*ck? When i was in there you saw the deputy/commander every once in a while and you didn't dare do anything but say hi sir and keep walking. Now these recruits apparently are saying they are joking around with him and laughing and talking with him all the time. What the hell. No wonder why they come out and feel they can barge right into captains offices, talk to Lt's and Sgt's like they are best buddies, and not listen to anything us FTO's and acting FTO's are trying to teach them. They've never been taught chain of command and respecting your bosses and PO's with more time on. I think he should be spending less time trying to be their freind down there and instead instilling fear and respect so these pukes don't come out and think they own the dept. The latest crops have been very very poor.
Just read starks editorial in todays scum-times seems starks is proud as the dept has "relieved dozens of officers of duty in the past 6 months"! Keep working boys and girls and you will be stripped soon! The warrants will fuck other coppers but then again some of the gun team idiots go after innocent collectors and not the gang bangers anyway! Anything for a gun! Now you guys are fucked also great job be aggressive and go to jail directly to jail!
An audit is just that, an audit not an investigation. So you gun and gang team haters don't get too happy.
Gangs, guns, drugs. Get those numbers any way you can. Thanks again Phil!!!!!!
Get ready for a show-down at the O.K. corral.
Two items off topic:
Dana Starks wrote a good letter to the editor which talked about how the discipline system really works. He even talked about how not sustained complaints are held against us. (I hope he changes that part while he's here.)
Also, I heard that the Cook County jail just installed 40 inch plasma tv in all of the day rooms at the jail. Is this what our newly raised taxes are going for? I'm watching a 27 inch piece of shit I got at Wal-Mart, and the guy I arrested last week for rape is watching a plasma. There ain't no justice in the world.
This is just an audit. they started with the gun and gang teams because they do the most warrants, even more than narcotics and the detective division.
The city reg. will stand and has stood.
And the news gets worse, but not regarding the police dept.
British Woman, 102, Bares All as Miss November for Nude Charity Calendar
A 102-year-old British woman has decided she isn't too old to be a pinup — and a naked one at that.
Nora Hardwick is Miss November in a nude calendar done to raise money for the local football team, the Ancaster Athletic in Ancaster, Lincolnshire, England.
Don't worry: The 1905-born great-great grandma is swathed in a filmy petal pink scarf and is strategically positioned behind the beer taps at the Ermine Way pub in town, so it's almost impossible to tell she's standing there in the buff.
"They draped a bit of pink cloth around my shoulders, but at my age I just don't have the model body to be taking it all off," she told The Telegraph, a U.K. newspaper. "It was all very tastefully done. You couldn't see any of the bits or anything."
Hardwick said the football club asked her to pose in her birthday suit because she's the oldest person in the village.
"It's just a bit of fun really," she told the Telegraph.
Her children, who are 80, 74 and 62 have been supportive of their mum baring all for a good cause, she said.
She has lived in Ancaster since 1933, and retired as the village's postmistress at age 72, after 35 years on the job, according to the newspaper.
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I just lost my appetite for lunch!
Anonymous said...
Gangs, guns, drugs. Get those numbers any way you can. Thanks again Phil!!!!!!
11/20/2007 08:27:00 AM
Bvllsh|t!!!! That was what THE MAYOR wanted. Phil could not wipe his ass w/o the mayor's ok.
Anonymous said...
In answer to your question, the owners of any siezed guns would NOT be entitled to restitution and/or replacement if Chicago's anti-gun law was overturned by the Supreme Court.
I disagree and a NRA pushed class action law suit will show other wise. There is a **U.S.** Constitution!
An audit can be a good thing. Make sure that everyone is doing what they are supposed to be doing and maybe make recommendations to put an end to complaints from the "good citizens of Chicago" about the warrants. If you are doing nothing wrong, why worry about it. Any of the CPD jobs that involve a high volume of warrants puts those officers on up in the line of fire for bull**** complaints. They end up with Cr#'s and lawsuits. Good cops doing good aggressive police work to make our streets safer. Yes there have been a few bad apples in CPD but let's not label everyone who does this type of work.
Maybe this will back up those officers on up that they are following procedures.
never register non duty weapons.
to kewlchicagocop: you must be joking; the only people to be held responsible are the lowest ranking people they can find. holds true in the military too and all govt agencies.
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Anonymous said...
The city reg. will stand and has stood.
11/20/2007 09:20:00 AM
Not so fast hair gel boy! The US Supreme Court has agreed to take the case of Washington DC's 31 year ban on handguns and the Federal Appeals Court striking it down saying it does NOT comply with the US Constitution.
As the news reported today, this is a major case and will effect all handgun bans across the country.
As a member of a area gun team whose search warrants were audited all I can tell other po's is just make sure your s/w is LEGIT. If it's a c/i warrant you better have a c/i file and if it's a John Doe just make sure your probable cause reads the way it happened. If you say you did something you better have done it, now is NOT the time to be playing games. With everything thats going on why do anything for this department because if they can they will try to make an example out of you. Deputy Sup C/W will try to get you on a rule 14 violation if he can....great leadership being shown to the hardworking po's.
i fought the law and the law won
are you fucking kidding me??/ PLASMAS IN COUNTY??? what the fuck is this county coming to? PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A JOKE?
Here is a simple rule.
DO NOTHING.
Have you ever seen anybody on this job step in shit while doing nothing?
Nope.
This is what the city wants.
Hard to blame a P.O. or Detective for a bad warrant after it was approved by a Sgt and a Lt. and a Watch Commander. If the Department does go forward on this in a serious manner, many big bosses will be taking days for minor improper procedures. I just don't see that happening.
Word is that a year after the secret grand jury held in Milwaukee concluded hearing the corruption allegations in Organized Crime Division / Prostitution section. The Feds will be handing down Christmas Indictments to some PRESENT AND FORMER OCD assigned police officers.
Allegations are suppose to include some very sticky fingers in the inventorying of the high end call girls & johns money and allegations some married men johns paid big money not to be arrested while engaged in male on male prostitution stings.
This may get ugly. Wasn't Debra Kirby at OCD while this was allegedly happening? Wouldn't look good that the Head of IAD was the boss where it was happening.
off topic but very important. the Supreme Court decided to hear the gun challange in washingto d.c. This is the first time in nearly 70 years that they will hear the 2nd amendment case.
it will probaly determine if We as citizens have the individual right to bear arms (like every other amendment in the bill of rights) or if it has to be done through a Militia. If if it is a "collective right" then what whats next? freedom of speech is not an individual right but a collective right to be expressed as a group?
see fox news web page...
We'd like to know if the Supreme Court strikes down various municipal gun laws as unconstitutional, would the owners of these now legal handguns be entitled to restitution and replacement
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SCC, you can not get a search warrant soley for an MCC violation. Guns revocered from a warrant are either incidental to the target of the warrant or the gun is owned or in the residence of a convicted felon.
I always thought that a "Scandal in Waiting" is when your pregnant girlfriend shows up at your Thanksgiven dinner when your wife and her family are present.
Not pretty, believe me!
The recruits that are coming out of the academy today are SAD. Para-Military Academy , my ass.
How many years has there been an In-Service Search Warrant class sponsered by none other than Superintendent Philip Cline?
Are you telling me that what was offered during that class, which everyone clamored over to get into, was all BS, that what was learned is perhaps now improper procedures.
That class was offered for how many years?
So everyone that attended was instructed in improper search warrant methods by the "BIG" guy himself?
That's my out when they want to give out suspensions. I'm blaming it all on Phil.
Anonymous said...
The city reg. will stand and has stood.
I'm sure that's what they thought in DC...
Car 54 where are you?
What does this mean for L.S. in his days as the supervising LT. of this merry band of gun grabbers from area 4
NUMBERS=FEDERAL INMATE NUMBERS
Do something because its the right thing to do....not because you are ordered to feed the beast.
Why would anyone in their right mind do any type of police work in the current environment and under the current regime. Let em kill each other
Bye Bye Tobias! Nothing like leader accountability
Ohioguy@wlsfanmail.com said...
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I smell BS. Someone was yapping about this around 6-8 months ago saying indictments were on the way and nothing happened. Please shut up.
Plasmas not a joke. go to www.perfectlyharmlessradio.com and read about it.
Anonymous said...
In answer to your question, the owners of any siezed guns would NOT be entitled to restitution and/or replacement if Chicago's anti-gun law was overturned by the Supreme Court.
I disagree and a NRA pushed class action law suit will show other wise. There is a **U.S.** Constitution!
Well, genius, when you get on the Supreme Court, then you're "I disagree" might carry some weight. In the meantime, your "I disagree" means nothing...the previous poster got the law right. No restitution. Maybe if you disagree hard enough and click your heels together three times, though...
what went down at taft high shool?
You will read it in the headlines.
Supreme Court upholds lower coutrs rulling on the individuals right to have arms.
Democratic point of view:
"Thats just silly" Silly, silly, silly. Now we will have many more deaths of young black male VICTIMS in the city.
Realist's point of view:
City cashes in...
City raises the firearm registation fee to $150.00 per yer for each firearm registered.
$25.00 tax on every box of bullets.
$500.00 usage tax. ($500.00 every time you shoot someone).
Now we will have many more deaths of young black male OFFENDERS in the city!
:-}
Monique Bond appears on Fox cable w/Gretta Vansustran 9;52 pm. regarding missing 14 yr old. gretta confused by her but Monique cleared it up by end of interview.
Bvllsh|t!!!! That was what THE MAYOR wanted. Phil could not wipe his ass w/o the mayor's ok.
HE COULD NOT WIPE ASS REGARDLESS OF WHO GAVE HIM THE GO AHEAD!!!!
There are some real fucking bitter tools posting on this thing. Good thing I read it 5 minutes a day for a good laugh. Rich Daley was on the grassy knoll & Phil Cline put Oswald up to it. Oh yeah, Starks paid Ruby to kill Oswald. You bitch about leadership when most of you couldn't lead your dick out of your pants and point it at the urinal. What a bunch of handjobs.
Wasn't Debra Kirby at OCD while this was allegedly happening? Wouldn't look good that the Head of IAD was the boss where it was happening.
I HOPE THEY FRY THAT "CANT UNDERSTAND NORMAL THINKING":)
Ohioguy@wlsfanmail.com said...
Word is that a year after the secret grand jury held in Milwaukee concluded hearing the corruption allegations in Organized Crime Division / Prostitution section. The Feds will be handing down Christmas Indictments to some PRESENT AND FORMER OCD assigned police officers.
Allegations are suppose to include some very sticky fingers in the inventorying of the high end call girls & johns money and allegations some married men johns paid big money not to be arrested while engaged in male on male prostitution stings.
This may get ugly. Wasn't Debra Kirby at OCD while this was allegedly happening? Wouldn't look good that the Head of IAD was the boss where it was happening.
11/20/2007 03:31:00 PM
Are you kidding me? This person sounds like:
(a) a copper who got caught by officers patronizing a shemale prostitute on Madison Ave.
(b) a copper who hit on Debra Kirby one night when he was drunk and got rejected and feels stupid.
(c) a copper who is really unhappy in with his life and his job.
(d) somebody who is stupid enough to come up with the idea of a super "secret Milwaukee Grand Jury."
(e) all of the above.
keep spreading these rumors, I have missed hearing your make believe stories lately.
by the way the answer to the multiple choice question is (e) all of the above.
This is scary. I have never seen such LOW MORALE on our job. Then You see the stupid things Area gun teams do- like some BAD search warrants by the Area5 gun team & you have to wonder where are the supervisors...who will teach these kids the right way to do the job....scary. & to top it off a few of those fuck up AREA5 gun team guys get cush spots in great units while fighting bad search warrant beefs....more scandle.
Any of the CPD jobs that involve a high volume of warrants puts those officers on up in the line of fire for bull**** complaints. They end up with Cr#'s and lawsuits. Good cops doing good aggressive police work to make our streets safer.
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Tell that to all the guys in SOS and around the city who were legit and now are in the BIS program and have been launched from units and teams for those CR#'s. What does the dept do to you for all that hard work????????
Wants to not pay your O.T. wants to take your spot away, wants to tarnish your disciplinary file by putting you in a program. They could care less about all your hard work. This place is fucked and anoyone still doing this type work is ABSOLUTELY INSANE! Especially weapon turn ins with no head. It doesn't get you promoted or get you more pay...It gets you more headaches and bosses putting things back on you. Ends up hurting you more than helping you. It has only taken me 45yrs to realize that so hopefully those will learn it sooner from my mistakes.
"You bitch about leadership when most of you couldn't lead your dick out of your pants and point it at the urinal. What a bunch of handjobs.
11/20/2007 10:18:00 PM"
BUT OF COURSE YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE @ TODAY, BECAUSE OF NIMBLE WRISTS& LOTS OF STAMINA.
AINT THAT RIGHT WHITE SHIRT??
Today Oprah had her "10 favorite things"
SCC, when are you going to have your 10 favorite things blog!??!?!?
THAT OFFICER SHOULD PAY HER RENT YOU CAN BURY SOMEONE ON A CREDIT CARD THATS A LAME EXCUSE.
I BET THE OFFICER STILL BUYING FOOD AND PAYING THE GAS BILL
SCC, you can not get a search warrant soley for an MCC violation. Guns revocered from a warrant are either incidental to the target of the warrant or the gun is owned or in the residence of a convicted felon.
11/20/2007 03:40:00 PM
oh yes you you can get a warrant for mcc. read the recent order on warrants. Warrants for MCC get approved by the Corp. Council.
Its just amazing why people still go out and try to be the police. Its just the truth nobody cares anymore. HOW SAD! Its only gonna get worse and worse.
(C)chicago
(P)pays
(D)dookie
Regarding the Regarding post of:
Anonymous said...
Ohioguy@wlsfanmail.com said...
Word is that a year after the secret grand jury held in Milwaukee concluded hearing the corruption allegations in Organized Crime Division / Prostitution section. The Feds will be handing down Christmas Indictments to some PRESENT AND FORMER OCD assigned police officers.
Allegations are suppose to include some very sticky fingers in the inventorying of the high end call girls & johns money and allegations some married men johns paid big money not to be arrested while engaged in male on male prostitution stings.
This may get ugly. Wasn't Debra Kirby at OCD while this was allegedly happening? Wouldn't look good that the Head of IAD was the boss where it was happening.
11/20/2007 03:31:00 PM
Are you kidding me? This person sounds like:
(a) a copper who got caught by officers patronizing a shemale prostitute on Madison Ave.
(b) a copper who hit on Debra Kirby one night when he was drunk and got rejected and feels stupid.
(c) a copper who is really unhappy in with his life and his job.
(d) somebody who is stupid enough to come up with the idea of a super "secret Milwaukee Grand Jury."
(e) all of the above.
keep spreading these rumors, I have missed hearing your make believe stories lately.
by the way the answer to the multiple choice question is (e) all of the above.
11/20/2007 10:19:00 PM
Let me add a regard:
Dude, just because you have a Debra Kirby fantasy doesn't mean all men do! Get a life. This may be true. Sorry your barbie doll gal pal may take a dive.
All of this can be laid at the size 6&1/2" feet of Fill "Humpty Dumpty" Kline and his "butt boys".
Just a thought, but can you use your gay lover as a CI on over 20 warrant's executed by the Town Hall Tact Team a few yrs back?
Would P.O. NM (023) have to disclose this CI as his gay live in boyfriend?
Did P.O. NM use his boyfriend as a CI while on the Area 4 Gun Team?
Did the LT. at the time know that his CI was his boyfriend?
Is there a file on this CI?
What responsiblity does P.O. NM have to diclose to the Defense during discovery that the CI is his boyfriend?
Are you allowed by G.O.'s to bring along a CI on a Search Warrant?
Just food for thought during this SW Audit..................
11:45 PM is an impostor just trying to stir up shit.
Anonymous said...
off topic:
But what is with these recruits coming out of the academy and loving this Tobias guy. I've worked with quite a bit of recruits in the past few months and i always ask them how thier academy went and lately they've all been saying "what a great guy Tobias is" and how "cool he is" and how "approachable he is" etc.. I can't believe that they even have interaction with him. I mean, what the f*ck? When i was in there you saw the deputy/commander every once in a while and you didn't dare do anything but say hi sir and keep walking. Now these recruits apparently are saying they are joking around with him and laughing and talking with him all the time. What the hell. No wonder why they come out and feel they can barge right into captains offices, talk to Lt's and Sgt's like they are best buddies, and not listen to anything us FTO's and acting FTO's are trying to teach them. They've never been taught chain of command and respecting your bosses and PO's with more time on. I think he should be spending less time trying to be their freind down there and instead instilling fear and respect so these pukes don't come out and think they own the dept. The latest crops have been very very poor.
11/20/2007 03:00:00 AM
This is true tobias is just wants to be friends with all the kids! Well he may need some to attend his upcoming fund raiser!
Marko go bye-bye!!
The latest crops have been very very poor.
11/20/2007 03:00:00 AM
Really? Thats funny, because I keep saying how bad the olds ones must have really sucked when I run into idiots "with time on" like you
-ex military guy, not in any way impressed with CPD whatsoever
oh yes you you can get a warrant for mcc. read the recent order on warrants. Warrants for MCC get approved by the Corp. Council.
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read state law, no judge will sign a warrant soley for an MCC violation.
Let them audit away! It's more smoke and mirrors or a dog and pony show or whatever you want to call it.
The officer/affiant obtaining the warrant does his/her homework first. The officer deconflicts. An ASA then reviews approves the warrant, then a Judge reviews and signs it and then a LT finally signs off on it. So what the fuck does any officer have to worry about. Absolutely nothing.
Their is so much fucking paperwork with a search warrant now, it's ridiculous. It's overkill if you ask me. We can thank all those dumbass police that fucked off and did wrong and now we have to pay for it.
Just read starks editorial in todays scum-times seems starks is proud as the dept has "relieved dozens of officers of duty in the past 6 months"! Keep working boys and girls and you will be stripped soon! The warrants will fuck other coppers but then again some of the gun team idiots go after innocent collectors and not the gang bangers anyway! Anything for a gun! Now you guys are fucked also great job be aggressive and go to jail directly to jail!
11/20/2007 07:31:00 AM
Did you read the whole article or just pick out the part that made your day. The overall article was very good, what you commented on was just on part.
"Did you read the whole article or just pick out the part that made your day. The overall article was very good, what you commented on was just on part.
11/21/2007 10:15:00 PM"
REALLY? DID YOU OVERLOOK THE PART THAT COMPLAINTS ARE ADDED TO THE FILE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAD NO BASIS & WHERE UNFOUNDED OR EXONERATED??
DANA CHOSE TO OVELLOK THAT PART. YOUR CR FILE IS LIKE A RAP SHEET, ANY TIME THEY WANT TO PULL UP A UNFOUNDED,EXONERATED BEEF THEY WILL STICK IT TO YOU. DANA W/THAT CHEESYASS GRIN JUZ SMILINS,"YEAH DAWG WE GONNA GET YA WHEN THE POLITICAL WINDS STARTZ A BLOWN"
WHAT'S WRONG W/ THIS PICTURE, A HELLO FOP???
...then a LT finally signs off on it...
Lt approves before it goes to the state's attorney, not afterwards.
don't worry about search warrants. just remember write only JOHN DOE warrants, forget those CI warrants, they get you jammed up. the asa directs all the changes before it goes to the judge. then the judge signs off, get the wc's approval, do your pre-execution and data sheet on I-CLEAR, get your lt and go... remember it's the judge that ultimately gives you permission for this sw, no-one else. with a john doe, this is oyur best bet. bring only team members, you can trust, if your iffy about someone leave them as perimeter. no need for sticky finger people. good idea is to have an et come and photograph where and what you recovered. CYA. search warrants are a great tool. don't listen to rumors, if you want good info talk to the few guys in district that have actually written and been the affiant on these warrants. just be safe and have fun. ALWAYS USE THE JOHN DOE,
Keep editing out my posts about that asshole that keeps making up stories about Vice. You might find it entertaining but we don't.
I know who it is and he has a thing for cross-dressing hookers on Madison and we caught him a bunch of times.
They only story he should be telling is when he is coming out of the closet.
I hear a lot about Debra Kirby, but I can't place her. Does anybody remember her from 26 and Cal or the branch courts or even bringing a case up to the area? Where did she do her best police work?
SCC, you can not get a search warrant soley for an MCC violation. Guns revocered from a warrant are either incidental to the target of the warrant or the gun is owned or in the residence of a convicted felon.
11/20/2007 03:40:00 PM
Yes you can, the order came out almost a year ago. Try reading those new pieces of paper that come into the stations once in a while.
affiant says... said...
don't worry about search warrants. just remember write only JOHN DOE warrants, forget those CI warrants, they get you jammed up. the asa directs all the changes before it goes to the judge. then the judge signs off, get the wc's approval, do your pre-execution and data sheet on I-CLEAR, get your lt and go... remember it's the judge that ultimately gives you permission for this sw, no-one else. with a john doe, this is oyur best bet. bring only team members, you can trust, if your iffy about someone leave them as perimeter. no need for sticky finger people. good idea is to have an et come and photograph where and what you recovered. CYA. search warrants are a great tool. don't listen to rumors, if you want good info talk to the few guys in district that have actually written and been the affiant on these warrants. just be safe and have fun. ALWAYS USE THE JOHN DOE,
11/22/2007 08:12:00 AM
John Doe, or as they are written today J. Doe, gender neutral, do not relieve all liability. If you can not corroborate the information with some surveillance, do not do the warrant.
Learn the law before you give blanket advice.
Contrary to the title of this post, so far, auditors on search warrants have found only very minor discrepancies. And you know why? Now that LIEUTENANTS have to go along on warrants, everyone involved is far more careful than they used to be, ensuring that addresses are correct, the necesary equipment is taken out, adequate personnel are assigned to the execution of the warrant, even shotguns are being taken out far more often than they used to. All of what I've mentioned are good things, and were done enough, until the higher ranking supervisors had to go out there with the teams. It's made us all better at search warrants.
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