Bad Dream
We've had dreams like this - most cops have - nothing on the belt works and then your gun won't fire. Unfortunately, this incident ended up true:
- An American Airlines passenger died after a flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen and then tried to help her with faulty equipment, including an empty oxygen tank, a relative said.
- Other passengers aboard Flight 896 became agitated over the situation, he said, and the flight attendant, apparently after phone consultation with the cockpit, tried to administer oxygen from a portable tank and mask, but the tank was empty. Two doctors and two nurses were aboard and tried to administer oxygen from a second tank, which also was empty, Oliver said. Desir was put on the floor, and a nurse tried CPR, to no avail, Oliver said. A "box," possibly a defibrillator, also was applied but didn't function effectively, he said.
Two empty oxygen bottles and a faulty defibrillator. Doesn't anyone check these things? And if they aren't checking these simple tools, is anyone checking the evacuation slides? The door latches? Any one of a million things that could go wrong at 30,000 feet?
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
43 Comments:
The very sad truth of the matter is we take things for granted.
I too have dreams in which my gun does not fire even though I am squeezing the trigger. Sometimes when my gun fires I can see the bullets flying out and hitting the bad guy without affect.
I guess I'm not the only one having dreams of insecurity.
For your sake and your partners', check your weapons and ammo often.
Another case of trying to make do with less. Same as this job
SCC do you really give a f&^% if they door latches and escape slide work at 30000 feet?
it costs money to run checks and service equipment. maybee next time the airplane is down for service in central america or some other low labor cost maint. hub those checks will be run.
This is a common result of our accepting, as gospel, the concept that corporations exist as if they were 'individuals', with the rights and privileges enjoyed by same.
The concept that a corporation owes it's duty solely to making the greatest profit for it's shareholders, combined with the incestuous financial schemes of those who control said corporations, all motivate the regarding of public/customer interests, let alone the employees or the communities where said corporations are located, as being less important than the 'bottom line'.
This attitude leads to the infamous 'cost effectiveness' calculation, as in, the 'cost' of operations rarely used, but vital to individual customers' safety, versus the cost of ensuring said safety.
Watch this turn into an excuse making public relations effort to minimize the 'need' for total compliance and maximize the 'rarity' of these types of events.
Just like the school bus seat belt issue; too expensive to retrofit every school bus, compared to the injury rate attributed to the lack of same.
Bean counters and lawyers and politicians, the 'lions and tigers and bears' of our time.
Oh my.
SCC do you really give a f&^% if they door latches and escape slide work at 30000 feet?
It was a short list of things that we hope would be working whenever we get on a plane.
And yes, we'd REALLY like to make sure that the door latches were working at 30,000 feet.
Moron
Oxygen bottles empty! Know why? You have a hangover after the night before. You need to clear your head,so you take a few hits.
It works!Too bad they never think the tanks will never be used. While in the Navy aboard an Aircraft Carrier, after a rough nite on shore, used to go to a plane, get a couple of hits of oxygen, it works wonders.
SOunds like City Of Chicago equipment! Nothing works here but Clout and when under pressure this system will fail to! Thank God 911 didnt happen here
Well said, 3:07 am
Most of these people on oxygen are suffering from self-inflicted breathing problems. Ex-smokers, Over weight folks. Have no pity for them.
"Another case of trying to make do with less. Same as this job
2/25/2008 01:07:00 AM"
That's the Mantra for the White House administration when it comes to this so-called wur on a turrur.
Did you ever see who checks these items? American Airlines, United Airlines and the rest of the major airlines all sub-contract out pre-service flight operations. The sub-contractors hire peopel who speak little or no english or gang members.
Happy Flying
If you are on the plane, you better hope that the door latches work at 30,00 feet! Probably those oxygen bottle that did not work were those that are intended to be walk around bottles for the cabin crew in the event of a decompression. If they don't work the cabin crew would not be able to move around to assist. Those are supposed to be checked on a regular schedule, and it is a serious FAA violation to not have them available. This is not a good thing.
Scc,
I guess you were planning on using them at 30,000 ft!
Lighten up it was sarcasm.
On a serious note now.
There is a much greater concern of your radios not working after 6 hours of tour. Better yet your radio, the sgt's radio and your backup's radio not working all at the same time. True story yesterday, all with 99units involved on a heated domestic.
Someone really needs to bring that up to Jfed at the next rollcall visit. I would have but they didn't allow him to meet us, just stand in front of the room and listen to our fearless leaders who are clueless about what we actually do.
Peace. Squad
It is possible the defibrillator was working and received no shockable rhythm (asystole) thus not allowing a shock to be given.If it was an AED all of this would have been recorded on the "box".
Odds are, they've been using the AED to heat up the coffee and drained the battery.Oxygen makes a nice suppliment for a hung over flight attendant,too.
And you think the the CPD is the only orginization that is fucked up and cuts corners? All the so called "legacy" carriers,(United, American, U.S.Air, Delta, North West and Continental air lines) in this country are hurting fincially, and the only one of the low cost carriers that is consistantly profitable is South West. The price of fuel and labor is killing them so they cut corners and out sourse a lot of maintenence to the third world. Beleive it or not aviation is one of the important industries in this country. It is a sad commentary on our economy. (And yes, I know a little about the aviation industry.) To the moron who asked if SCC really gives a fuck about the door latches and excape slides working at 30000 feet, the term moron greatly overstates your intellegence.
A simple explanation from someone who knows medical stuff....
Oxygen cylinders are usually equipped with a seal across the ports wich is supposed to indicate that it is ready for use.
However, if the bottle is stored horizontally AND has a heavy toggle type of operating "key" it is not uncommon for the key to vibrate slightly open and cause a slow leak. Airplanes DO vibrate.
The seal could be on, but the cylinder could be empty. The only way to verify the pressure is to break the seal and check it with a gauge every time.
As for the defifrillator, it only works on one rhythm - ventricular fibrillation. If the woman's heart was not in this rhythm it will not shock the person.
Unless the battery was dead....that's a whole other story
Hey goofball, you're doing the same thing we coppers get done to us all the time: you assmume everything the victim or victim's family says is true. The airline says the oxygen and defibillator were in working order. By the way, I am am trained on the defib machine and like the taser is has a computer chip records everything concerning its use. I'm sure the airline is aware of this.(or at least their lawyers). You must have never worked for an airline, otherwise you'd be aware of the meticulous records kept for just about everything regarding the plane, including the oxygen tanks.
The airlines should get a bunch of non-union migrant workers to perform jet maintenance for 4.35 an hour.
IF THE LORD WANTED YOU TO FLY HE WOULD'VE MADE YOU A BIRD. MAN WALKS ON EARTH. PERIOD.
I thought I was the only one with those dreams. Gun won't fire, or I see my bullets in slow motion hitting bad guy but wont stop him.
I take good care of my weapon, but after dreams like that, I always do an extra check and clean. Be safe people.
Hmmm, and God said unto thee...it's just your time to go!
I too have those dreams, then you start punching the guy and its like your arms weigh a ton and you can do nothing...ugh, no good. Be safe out there.
Is anyone really surprised?
The airlines want to spend as little as possible.
Remember, the airlines had the lowest security they could get by with, and we ended up with 9/11.
The only reason airline security is stricter now is because the G mandates it.
The American tax payers bailed the airlines out.
They must figure the odds are against needing the medical gear. Cheaper to payout on the lawsuit then pay a company to check and maintain the equipment.
Along with food, now you have to bring o2 and difibulator with you.
Do the overhead air masks work?
American Airlines, something special in the air. Can anybody say Corboy? Clifford? Never criticize the value of attorneys. The Feds don't care anymore, so it's up to the lawyers to sock it to 'em.
I'd hold off on this one,somthing tells me theres more to this story than whats been put in the media.American Airlines lotto?
i do know for a fact that the commander of the airports checks the pressure on the slurpee machine daily at 7-11.
Why are you subjecting airlines to the same BS hindsight that the papers inflict on us?
People die. It happens. Not all bad things are avoidable.
Yes, someone should have checked the equipment. They didn't. It happens.
The biggest lie is the presumption that had the airline checked the equipment the woman would have lived. That is total speculation.
Maybe someone who is that sick shouldn't be on an airplane.
After all, who is ultimately responsible for taking care of you?
You.
Such dreams are not uncommon among our profession or the military. I used to have that dream at least once a year in the Army and do still periodically have it on this job. It simply means that you're concerned about your own safety and concerned for the well being of your fellow officers. It's a bad nightmare but it indicates that you take survival seriously enough. Hope that helps.
Dont get me started on this subject.America is becoming like the former Soviet Union,we dont check or do anything,all BS and lip service.
I'm shocked there is no reference to Lt. Scotchbreath here! Seems like such an easy set up!
Maybe someone who is that sick shouldn't be on an airplane.
After all, who is ultimately responsible for taking care of you?
You.
You're absolutely correct.
I believe the article I read about this on another forum today stated that the woman had health problems. She was on a long flight. If she was that ill, she shouldn't have been travelling.
I have asthma and don't go anywhere without my inhaler. It's my responsibility to remember to take it with me. If I'm too sick because of my asthma, I stay home and take care of myself, or if need be, I see a doc.
It won't be long though before the family takes the airline to court and waits for their big payout. It's not a matter of if, but when.
According to AA all of the equipment was working and the plane had not two, but twelve oxygen bottles on board.
Remember, Mookie didn't have no gun, the poleece be lyin'.
I had a dream that I worked for a professional police department.
Please, someone tell me what it means?
How about a little 'ol mouth-to-mouth? anyone try dat?
6:34pm;
I hear ya! I saw the same thing on several networks. Even an onboard doctor took charge and did everything he could.
Then once some doctors on the ground got a look at her, they said: diabetes and heart disease killed her.
Its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$
On an airliner, you do not have to worry about the door latches. They use what is known as a "plug" door. It is larger on the inside and opens inward. It is held closed by the cabin pressurization. Impossible to open in flight if cabin is pressurized.
Sounds like City Of Chicago equipment! Nothing works here but Clout and when under pressure this system will fail to! Thank God 911 didnt happen here.
I agree. The city had a hard enough time battling the October fire that was on only two floors. Imagine if it had been the entire building.
Olympics in Chicago? think twice!
"I had a dream that I worked for a professional police department.
Please, someone tell me what it means?
2/25/2008 08:36:00 PM"
Depends.
Did you wake up with a flagpole?
"How about a little 'ol mouth-to-mouth? anyone try dat?
2/25/2008 10:45:00 PM"
You'll have your answer if anyone publishes a picture of her face.
8:36pm,,,,,if we weren't "professional" (to use your words) then why do we so well do with what crappy resources we have and the crappy leadership we have had to deal with.
go fuck yourself
"go fuck yourself
2/26/2008 02:05:00 PM"
Ladies first.
I bet they had some neat lookin certificates that said they were certified flight attendants.
Does KK at O'Hare check out the commanders air bottle?
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