Thursday, May 15, 2008

Meeting Updates

Anyone who is there, knows someone there or gets home after being there and can get to a computer, type it up and fire it over here. We'll update as possible.

THIS THREAD IS FOR THE MEETING ONLY.

ALL OTHER SUBMISSIONS WILL BE DELETED.

The are over 100 other threads for whatever else you might want to comment on. Use those please. Thanks for your cooperation.

UPDATE: At 12:05 AM or so, this post will be moved up from its current location (1900 hours Wednesday) to stay at the top of the page for Thursday.

So far, the biggest news is J-Fed saying 75 Sergeants and all "merit" picks will be identified? That's a big change - it'd be bigger if they'd release how these people achieved "merit" status. Perhaps a family tree for some of the less obvious picks?

UPDATE: Rue St. Michel covers the whole thing on his blog. Go Visit - NOW!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

About 100 showed up,guys started calling over the radio that they were down at 35 Michigan around 630. Ids needed to be shown

5/14/2008 07:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was a good turnout, standing room only.....A fair amount of good questions posed to the sup, mostly about merit promotions, rule 14 and 15.....tasers were brought up....Also, the whole in car camera and the accountability issue was brought up from, I think the traffic guy who got jammed up. Sup didn't have a good answer to that one. Assault rifles weren't brought up, nor was technology upgrades and new cars. Schedules were discussed but not at length. Not a bad start to these if they keep them up.

5/14/2008 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure how the first poster counts, but it was standing room only by the end, so way more than 100 people there. I thought that JFed handled questions well, but he still shows signs of being a fed and not quite understanding how local, city policing works.

You did get a mention though, SCC! He claims he does not read the blog but people around him do and tell him stuff that's on it.

5/14/2008 09:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frank Bella came at the Sup strong, he made J-Fed look like a complete a-hole-----I have to commend the sup though, no other would have done that, but nothing was solved and I actually left more pissed off then when I walked in.

5/14/2008 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was way more then 100. Every seat was filled plus aleast a 100 standing

5/14/2008 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, from his mouth to our ears.....22 merit pics which equates to a class of 75, list to come out Friday perhaps. He didn't say if it would start on monday or the following week but 30% of 75 is 22.5 and surprisingly enough they rounded down. Also, the list will show who is merit and who is not. I say, a good move on his part. its about time, I know a few people that have been nominated and they deserve it, hopefully they did so that this new system is not flawed.

5/14/2008 09:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't even know why anyone would have gone to the meeting anyway. He can't change anything, except where people are assigned or recommended to be fired. The City, Department and FOP have contractual agreements that have to be followed. Any suggestions for changes have to go through the union. This is all smoke and mirrors. This guy is only here because the Fed's say he has to be here. He collects 3 big ones a year and moves on. He'll never last those 3 years unless he tells the stuttering prick he's under arrest. Then he'll have the full support of the Dept.

5/14/2008 09:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I WAS AT THE MEETING TONIGHT GOT THERE EARLY TO GET A GOOD SEAT LUCKILY I DID IT WAS STANDING ROOM ONLY BY 7PM. I WENT TO THE MEETING HOPING TO HAVE A NEW PERSPECTIVE REGARDING JFED AS HE IS CALLED BUT I LEFT WITH A AWFUL TASTE IN MY MOUTH. I WAS ABLE TO BE IN THE 2ND ROW AND WHEN BEA C WAS TALKING HE DID NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH THE CROWD HE LOOKED AWAY AND SAT UNCOMFORTABLE THEN IT WAS HIS TURN TO SPEAK I WANT TO THANK GREG BELLA FOR STARTING OUT THE QUESTION ANSWER SESSION AND PUT JFED ON THE SPOT REGARDING THE COZZI INCIDENT JFED WAS AGITATED AND VERY DEFENSIVE IN HIS ANSWERING. SOME GREAT QUESTIONS CAME OUT IN THE MEETING AND YOU CAN DEFINATELY SEE THAT JFED IS IN OVER HIS HEAD. HE DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT IVC STOOD FOR (ILLINOIS VEHICLE CODE) W.T.F. UNBELIEVABLE THIS IS OUR LEADER. I WAS DISAPPOINTED IN THAT HE ENDED THE SESSION AT 2030 HOURS. I HAD A CHANCE TO ASK HIM IF HE DOES ANOTHER ONE OF THESE MEETINGS TO HAVE IT LONGER HIS RESPONSE WAS I HAVE BEEN UP SINCE 5AM AND I WANT TO GO HOME TO MY FAMILY... YOU KNOW FUCK YOU JFED. I WORKED ALL DAY AS WELL AND GAVE MY EVENING UP TO BE HERE AND LISTEN TO WHAT YOU AND MY FELLOW MEN AND WOMEN AND BLUE HAD TO SHARE. UN REAL THIS DEPARTMENT IS HEADED FOR DISASTER. WHAT TURNED OUT TO BE A PROMISING EVENING JUST TURNED INTO YET ANOTHER DISAPPOINTMENT. THANKS FOR NOTHING KEEP YOUR DOG AND PONY SHOW TO THE SUCKASSES THAT WORK WITH YOU AT HEADQUARTERS. JFED YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!AND IT SHOWED WE SAW RIGHT THROUGH YOU.......

5/14/2008 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would say around 200 showed up, Sup didn't really have any answers besides "i'll have to look into that." but at least hes trying, or trying to appear to be trying, to improve morale. Cuello didn't seem to have a clue.

5/14/2008 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sup came over and a regular guy who just isnt savy about the workings of the CPD and the City as a whole.
When he was asked questions about hammering people on Cr numbers, he responded by saying that he reads what comes over his desk and does not rubber stamp the files. He added that he has kicked stuff back for re-investigation as well when he sees that something is not quite there.

5/14/2008 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

more like 500 coppers there! a good showing . ANd our FOP Board was present and active ! Good job BELLA!

5/14/2008 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

someone should tell him that ICV stands for...

5/14/2008 10:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

not a bad turn out, but still left scratchin my head...now all he needs to do is put his money where his mouth is

5/14/2008 10:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God turn out. Good questions. Nothing was solved but alot was brought out into the open.
The new Sgts list will identify merit picks.
What it was good for was to give the sup some unfiltered feedback from the troops.
Donhue, Bella and some other FOP folks were there. Bella came at the sup hard on the Cozzi issue.
Someone brought up the discipline for supervisors. He seemed shocked by what he called a "breakdown" in supervision. He also seemd a little suprised that PPO's who don't cut it are being passed through their cycles by FTO's.
Again, it was good to have some direct communication with the sup. Not a lot of answers but he now sees there is more on his plate than he initally thought.

5/14/2008 10:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clueless Jody.

5/14/2008 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Top poster could not have been there. Standing room only. Donohue and Bella there. Bella hit him with the opening shot about P.O. Cozzi and J-Fraud did admit that he further the public available clip of Cozzi to SAC Grant I believe. J-Fraud has no clue about the local interactions. Promised a Sgt. list this Friday. Said he ordered 2600-3000 Tasers. Cuello said she would let us know where there are at. Great questions about morale etc. Next meeting with him we need to find out how he promoted some of these Commanders.

5/14/2008 10:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to thank the southside hillrod from hegewisch who used up ten minutes with her asinine complaint about traveling to take a promotional test. Do us all a favor and "mapquest" the nearest pharmacy to re-up your meds. Wow.

5/14/2008 10:33:00 PM  
Anonymous HATER said...

WAS THEIR AND IT AMAZES ME WHAT SOME OFFICER THINK THEY CAN SAY IN A MEETING.

NO WONDER PEOPLE SCORE SO LOW ON TEST.

JFED AND BELLA HAD WORDS, BELLA CAME OFF LIKE A OLD TIMER WHO WAS BUMPED OFF HIS BEAT CAR. BELLA AND DONAHUE DID NOT EVEN SIT TOGETHER. DONAHUE DIDNT SAY A PEEP AND JFED GAVE HIM MULTIPLE CUES TO JUMP IN.

JFED ISNT IMPRESSED WITH THE POLICE ACADEMY AND WANT TO RESTAFF THE PLACE.

JFED NOT SURE HOW HE FITS IN W/IPRA AND POLICE INVESTIGATIONS. IT SEEM HE THINK THE STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE IS LIKE THE US ATTORNEYS OFFICE.

THE REJECTS FROM 311 CHIMED IN BEGGING FOR HELP. TO BAD FOP HAS LET THEM OUT TO DRY.

THE KOOKS WANTED JFED TO RIDE IN THEIR BEAT CARS FOR A TOUR. WHAT NEXT HAVE THE MAYOR ANSWER 911 CALLS.

JFED HAS BEEN SCHOOLED IN POLITICALLY CORRECT SPEECH AND KNOWS HOW TO PLACATE THE MASSES.
I WAS HOPEFUL MORE INTELLIGENT QUESTIONS WOULD BE ASKED BUT AS USUAL THE CPD IS BUILT TO DISAPPOINT.

I FOUND THE MEETING SIMILAR TO A CAPS MEETING. THE OFFICER GIVE A BULLSHIT ANSWER AND THE PUBLIC JUST EAT IT UP NOT KNOWING HOW TO PROVE THE OFFICER IS FULL OF CRAP.

5/14/2008 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Bluedude said...

I thought the meeting was very interesting. In all fairness, the guy had hundreds of pissed off and fed up coppers who were relentless with the complaints, comments, and booing. Let us just hope, and I do mean HOPE, that he can pull part of what he promises without the mayor having his way and keeping us where we're at. He even stated that our rules and regs are in some cases over 40 years old and they need to be updated. Overall, it was a good meeting and worth going off duty.

5/14/2008 10:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The sup won the battle with Bella regarding the Cosi incident. The message was that you can crack someone if it's spontaneous,(spit on then, you can immediately punch) but a premeditated attacks (walking away, get shackles, apply shackles, and blackjack) are out. The sup called his fed buddies and the fed took it from there.

The sup mentioned that his command staff said P.O.s' would not like the sup ride along with them. P.O.s in the meeting said they would the like the sup to see the streets through their eyes.

New sergeants would be made this week (Thursday/Friday) and those made merititoriously would be noted on the announcement. No notation on those already made. No more sergeants until new merit process is set up. Anyone who took the two parts could fill out the new meritourious forms. If 5000 took both parts the person scoring 5000 could be made merit, if person could show his/her great qualifications as a leader. Poor test takers but great leaders would not suffer. (How about me who scored in the 200?)

An officer told the sup about a ppo watching and not assisting his FTO in a fight. Sup said PPOs should get real life academy training by POs with current street experience. P.O.s should be detailed to and rotated out of the academy, not assigned. PPO evaluations should be legit. If FTO says ppo isnt qualified the ppo should be washed out.

Grade C overall because Sup still thinks like a Fed and has no idea on how we operate.

5/14/2008 10:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merit....
We know that all you need to do is take the first part of the exam to be merit! I think everyone should know if these new merits know how to do more besides read the questions hahahahaha. The unfortunate truth is that the coppers with the most C.R.s are some of the most skilled. 99% of C.R.s mean the officer was out there doing super police work. It is hard to base merit by awards since those are bias.

5/14/2008 10:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alot of good questions, a few off the wall. Greg Bella gave it to him right away! Greg fired the 1st shot across the bow! & JFED did not like it.
Oh & who was that GOOF from the 016th district asking for more foot men in 016! Are you fucking kidding!!!

5/14/2008 10:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thought he'd have the balls to say no merit picks and pull directly from the scores. Same shit different boss.

5/14/2008 10:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why didnt our FOP PREZ- DONAHUE speak? In fact he sat far behind BELLA so as not to get any schapnel!

5/14/2008 10:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey that officer from the 016th district- your a goof! Same for that FTO FAT Spanish kid with 8years on the job...go blow your horn somewhere else. I was gonna give you a tissue when you started crying to JFED about not getting to the mounted unit or specialized units.... LAPA CRYBABY BITCH!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Fucking sissy.

5/14/2008 10:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could someone please post when was the first class of Sgts off the present list were promoted?

5/14/2008 10:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was at the meeting and I have to tell you I left feeling better about J-Fed then any other Supt. I think its great that the Merit List will publish the names. That is huge for us. Finally, we can see who is getting promoted. He didn't know what IVC stood for. So what that means nothing to me. Fuck Cozzi, he deserves everything he's gonna get. Anyone that beats up a dude in a wheel chair never should wear the uniform again. Bella needed to ask more questions regarding our contract and stop backing coppers that step on their dick over stupid shit. Dude was in a wheel chair. You saw the video fuck him. I want to know about our money and when are we gonna get our contracts. Bella your a real asshole for taking up so much time about Bella and not our contact issues. FOP dropping the ball again.

5/14/2008 11:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

016th Dist copper, and Mexican FTO, get some time on the job before asking for stupid shit. Bella and Donahue nice job......Why did we vote for you two idiots? Next time stop backing a loser like Cozzi and get us a contract. Supt was right about Cozzi. Move on everybody about that incident.

5/14/2008 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm not one that write on blogs, but i attended the sup's mtg tonight and was impressed with its "worth." i initially took the sup to be a jag-off, but after this mtg...he appears to be a reasonable guy. albeit, he strongly disagree with cozzi's situation. the cozzi situation is really a matter of opinion of right verses wrong. the turn out was decent. several issues were raised and the sup had no immediate response. but, i got to give it to him...he received quite a few displeased officer's complaints; he maintained his professionalism. i personally feel we should give the guy a chance. we all realize he was handed a bag of garabage coming in; we jus have to give him his fair shot at bringing about change. the merit promo's in the future appears to be a good step towards changing the good old boy way of promotion.

5/14/2008 11:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Donahue open your mouth at the next meeting and tell Bella to shut the fuck up about Cozzi. We need our money. We need more officers on the street. We are at 9,500 officers. Get with it FOP. Push for the issues we need. Twenty years on this job and I never hit anyone in handcuffs let alone a wheel chair.

5/14/2008 11:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TOPPER good question about man power in the 016th district!

5/14/2008 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bottom line, JFed: You need to realize the difference between the SA office (that's State's Attorney) and the USAO (US Atty Office). We arrest people on probable cause (yes, that's what your Watch Commanders are there for). We don't arrest people only when we are sure that they will be convicted (the feds way. how else do they have an insanely high conviction rate?) Hell, sometimes we even end up arresting people and then releasing them without charges. It happpens. But what doesn't happen - and more importantly, what you do NOT want to happen - is officers deciding that there's a small chance in hell that a victim will not show up to court, therefore he/she does not need to make the arrest (hello? has anyone made a retail shoplifting arrest lately?)

5/14/2008 11:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i was there .i'd say about 300 police there . if you asked the right question;s i think you would get a answer. yes that fool from the 2nd district ,NOBODY asked you for you're fuckin resume. that what you spouted out you fool. yeah i should of asked about man power . the real numbers'. if he really knew them. next time.

5/14/2008 11:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JUST AN OBSERVATION FROM ME . ME THINKS J FED IS A LITTLE OVERWEIGHT. CHEST HEAVY MAN BREASTS AND A STOMACH. NOT ENOUGH 5 AM WORKOUTS. HIS AGE IS SHOWING

5/14/2008 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice that they are finally going to identify the merits, but how much more transparent will it be? i.e. the sponsor or how about having a resume available so that those who want to see how the merit picks got chosen can do so. I still don't trust the system.

5/14/2008 11:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

5/14/2008 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1st class of Sgts were promoted
1 Sep 07. 50 Sgts - 35 and 15 merit.

5/14/2008 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All I want to know is what is J -Fed's stand on force-feeding ducks (ala fois gras).

5/14/2008 11:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Sup looked good, I like him a lot more now, with a little more time this dept. will be on top of its game.

5/14/2008 11:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to 1104 pm hey jerkoff the cozzi incident is very important the man took his punishment and then got hit square in the jaw with a federal indictment because of the media and a fed boss who didn't have the balls to stand up and say Officer Cozzi completed his punishment and the board ruled in his favor as returning to work!

5/14/2008 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Answer me this, what really do we accomplish by identifying the merit picks? It's still not you, so get over it!

5/14/2008 11:35:00 PM  
Blogger Rue St. Michel said...

Your intrepid cub reporter Rue St. Michel was at the meeting.

Here's my take on the whole thing.

5/14/2008 11:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Sup looked good, I like him a lot more now, with a little more time this dept. will be on top of its game.

5/14/2008 11:29:00 PM

See,J-FED does read the blog!!

5/14/2008 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There were alot more than 100 and I didn't have to show my ID. Just wore my star like everyone else.

5/15/2008 12:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/14/2008 11:04:00 PM


5/14/2008 11:10:00 PM



Wait 'til you dickheads slip and make a mistake...everyone does. When you do, your sorry asses will be crying and looking for help too. Selfish bastards.

5/15/2008 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JUST AN OBSERVATION FROM ME . ME THINKS J FED IS A LITTLE OVERWEIGHT. CHEST HEAVY MAN BREASTS AND A STOMACH. NOT ENOUGH 5 AM WORKOUTS. HIS AGE IS SHOWING

5/14/2008 11:25:00 PM

___________________________________
Its called using growth hormone at some point in his life...if you're ever been around people who use it you'd know.

5/15/2008 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous QUESTION said...

Can someone explain what it's gonna mean to expose the merit selections? Everyone who was at the meeting is saying the dept is gonna expose the merit selections. They will still get promoted even if they're undeserving. Exposing them just gives everyone a chance talk shit about it, but what good is that if they still get promoted.

5/15/2008 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasn't a bad meeting. Some people brought up good points. My personal favorite was the guy who talked about getting jammed up on a camera, though he apparently didn't do anything wrong...shit bag lied, camera showed cop did nothing wrong, cop still gets a day. JFed couldn't comprehend that all the guy wanted was something in place that when these shit bags lie to try and jam us up they should be punished. JFed doesn't understand that we arrest people everyday on ligit charges that we KNOW will NEVER go anywhere in court. When was the last time you got PC in branch 38 on anything less than 4 rocks?????
Overall good beginning. I will attend more if they happen. I hope they do.

5/15/2008 12:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good turn out to the meeting. Bella opened up with both barrels from the start! I think alot of people missed the piont that he was trying to make, from reading the posts. Bella wasn't trying to defend Cozzi, he was asking if the Sup. was setting up a course of action in the future for issues that he feels "justice" wasn't served. Nobody can justify what Cozzi did, but he did serve his suspendtion and court ordered probation. How many bites at the apple should the city get? I think that is what Bella was getting at. And it was a good question.
As for J-Fed, he is a first class shmoozer. The one post said he was rattled, I didn't see it. I thought he was cool as a cucumber up there. He didn't rise to the level he did at the FBI by NOT being a politician. No questions were really answered(not that I expected any REAL answers), and he was actually getting the rank and file to laugh with him. I think that the whole "I'm an ordinary guy, I just wanna get to know ya" thing is completly contrived, and I don't buy it.
All in all, more smoke and mirrors. Just like when he says we have 13,500 P.O.'s, when he knows we only have about 9,300, and more retiring everyday...

5/15/2008 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who was the ditzy blonde female from the 001st dist asking J-Fed for his cell phone number, so she could call him to pick her up when her half-Irish ass got drunk?
Now that was just stupid! Way to make the Irish look like drunks. It was offensive to non-drinking Irish po's in attendance.

5/15/2008 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-FED is making changes to the department that previous superintendents failed to do. Although, he has made some controversial moves, he's showing that the department needs change. Also, that their is hope for newer generations officers to get promoted based on hard work as oppose to any political affiliation.

5/15/2008 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have to be fucking kidding me!!! The FOP there and over 100 coppers and no fuckn questions about our lack of contract coming up on 1 year!! The meeting was about morale, well time after time we work without a contract and when we do get one we lose more and get very little. Contract and morale are the same!!!

5/15/2008 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-fed was hammered about the Cozzi incident.

Yes Cozzi looked like a brutal fool. What you did not see on the video and the Dept. or the press is not telling you. Is that the guy in the wheel chair was just placed in that chair to control him. He is not confinrd the a chair because he can not walk or any other medical reason.

Hospital security called the Police for help, the Police arrived and the poor guy in the wheel chair fought like a dog. It took several hospital security gaurds and several Police officers to control him and get him into that chair.

Yet he continued to kick the Officers and spit at them also not seen on the video!

Some of the questions were more of the same we see here every day. Some of the guys just wanted to vent, but that was expected.

Now lets see if any of the tough questsions he had no answers to will actually be addressed.

I think a more effective way would be for each district or unit to elect a unit rep. (no not the FOP unit rep.) collect legitmate concerns and have a monthly meeting with J-Fed. Have a system in place to track his responses to concerns previously discussed.

I think this would create forward motion instead of a bitch session were he has to defend himself for three hours.

But what do I know, I am just a P.O....

5/15/2008 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY J-FRAUD THANKS FOR WASTING MY TIME TONIGHT. I NOW KNOW WHAT A CIVILIAN WHO CAN SEE THROUGH THE BULLSHIT FEELS LIKE AFTER A CAPS MEETING. I RECOGNIZED YOUR YOUR CRAP RIGHT AWAY. YOUR A WASTE!!

5/15/2008 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the guys on the program.did anyone ask.how much longer..and when will it be over...the ones that are part of the 662

5/15/2008 01:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we are in worse shape than first thought, to get excited because they are going to identify the merit picks. who gives a fuck, if you have half a brain you can figure it out, if your so concerned get some balls and ask the person if they are merit or not.
If it turns out they are merit are you going to disobey a direct order? there are a lot more important issues than merit.
1. stripping p/o's for drinking off duty
2. contract negotiations
3. how far are they going to take this rule 14 violation. an off duty officer is assaulted by a bunch of gang bangers, in the g.o.c.r. where it says home address most officers would put the off-duty officers work address, well this is falsifying an official report, will they attempt to go after officers for such petty things?
a laundry list of others....

5/15/2008 01:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JFed needs to be hammered on the cozzi issue until he gives a thorough opinion of the his reasoning behind furthering the punishment after the disciplinary process has run its course within the dept.
All you morons that think that its not a big deal, you really need to wake the F%^k Up, before it becomes PRECEDENT.


Hey 11:04 wake up, dumbass

5/15/2008 01:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought that he did a pretty good job of trying to honestly answer questions. I will say that after the meeting i went up to him , he shook my hand and answered a few questions for me , he didn't run out after it was over. i think that there ia alot of misinformation and rumor about him in this department. give the guy a chance its only been a hundred days in, and he still has to get all his info from the most corupt merit hack command staff the world has ever seen.

5/15/2008 01:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We don't arrest people only when we are sure that they will be convicted (the feds way. how else do they have an insanely high conviction rate?)

5/14/2008 11:17:00 PM"


Plea bargains account for close to 96%+ of Federal convictions.

That's because the Feds, upon conviction at trial, are amazingly successful at persuading Federal Judges to hammer the hell out of any who dare to insist on a trial.

(Federal Judges are appointed, not elected, which has a lot to do with their undeniable prosecutorial bias.)

If even half of those charged were to go to trial, there'd be a Federal backlog for years and a lower conviction rate, as, of those who go to trial, (who, in effect, make the Feds prove their case), approximately half result in acquittal.

So, with the threat of getting hammered if convicted, most charged with federal offenses cut a deal, plead guilty and take whatever sentence they've been offered, always substantially less severe than what they've been threated with getting if convicted at trial.

That "insanely high conviction rate" is as much the result of the perceived impossibility of winning at trial as it is of the feds actually having an unbeatable case against the accused.

That, and the interesting way in which the jurors are selected and what instructions they are given by the lifetime appointed judges.

A lot of defense attorneys licensed to practice law in the federal courts have a federal judgeship appointment in their future plans, so you figure out how fervently they work to persuade their clients to 'take a plea'.

It's a whole different ball game.

5/15/2008 01:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

".....tell Bella to shut the fuck up about Cozzi."


Great.

Forget all about double jeopardy.

Never gonna be a problem for you, right?

5/15/2008 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/14/2008 11:04:00 PM YOU ARE AN IDIOT. THE ASSHOLE WAS ONLY IN THE WHEELCHAIR BECAUSE THAT WAS THE CLOSEST CHAIR TO PUT HIM IN. HE WALKED INTO THE HOSPITAL ON HIS OWN.

HE WAS OUT OF CONTROL BEFORE BEING IN VIEW OF THE CAMERA. SECURITY ASKED COZZI FOR HELP.

COZZI WAS OVER ZEALOUS AND PAID THE PRICE GIVEN TO HIM. NOW J-FED WANTS TO TAG HIM SOME MORE AND SEND HIM TO JAIL.

COZZI SAID HE WOULD RESIGN, YET THEY ARE STILL PRESSING THE ISSUE. IT'S A 5 YEAR MINIMUM SENTENCE.

WTF!! HE SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR IT? ANYONE WHO COMPARES IT TO RODNEY KING OR MEARDAY IS A FUCKING RETARD.

NOW FUCK OFF YOU IDIOT!

5/15/2008 01:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE MEETING WAS GREAT J-FED IS A SUPER GUY. I THINK HE IS GOING TO TURN THIS DEPARTMENT AROUND SOON. MY HATS OFF TO HIM.

5/15/2008 01:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT SCHEDULES WERE BROUGHT UP?

5/15/2008 01:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Answer me this, what really do we accomplish by identifying the merit picks? It's still not you, so get over it!

5/14/2008 11:35:00 PM

I agree. Everybody ends up knowing who is/isn't anyway.

5/15/2008 01:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 11:04 pm,
The Cozzi issue is a very important union issue. I am not defending Cozzi at all but I would like the union to fight for what is at the core of the issue, being punished twice for the same infraction.
In the courts the people we lock up have the double jepordy rule but on this department we can be tried and punished twice for the same incident. I think we will be seeing quite a few more examples, especially those with rule 14 violations, in the near future. This reopening of investigations needs to be delt with by our union.
As for your "getting our money and our contract" statement, I never knew J-Fed now has the power of the mayer and city councel! Why on earth do you think our union should be discussing this with J-Fed at a meeting like this? How much input do you really think he will have in regards to our contract? Start looking at the big picture asswipe; our rights, not only as police but as citizens of this country.

5/15/2008 01:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/14/2008 11:04:00 PM
5/14/2008 11:10:00 PM

Both must be the same poster. Nothing short of moronic. The guy was in a wheel chair because he went to the hospital. If you have a hand injury, the hospital makes you sit in a wheel chair. Did Cozzi fuck up? Yes. That is indisputable. Did he pay for his mistake? Yes, and he paid dearly. Did Cozzi beat him bloody? Absolutely not. He obviously lost his cool. There were no physical injuries whatsoever.

Furthermore, I could never be more embarrassed to be a Chicago Police Officer. I am embarrassed because I am associated with such fools that are so self righteous claiming to have never, ever made the even slightest lapse in judgment during the most difficult of circumstances.

This idiot fed you hook, line and sinker and now many of you are thanking him for it.

5/15/2008 01:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you say STEROIDS?

5/15/2008 02:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was the mayor there? No? Then it was all smoke and mirrors. This Supt. didn't have the bals to save his own chief of Staff from the meddling of that little moron, Daley. so whats he gonna do for us. NOTHING

Pocket your $315,000 bribe J-Fraud, and please just go away, you Daley stooge.

5/15/2008 02:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had a GPS car today and I asked my Sergeant if I could go down there so I wouldnt get written up for being outside the district. My Sergeant said "absolutely not!"

5/15/2008 02:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My favorite part of the meeting was the question asked by the
F/2/50's in the front row. She asked, "Why was da seargents exam held at Steinmets high school?, it took me 45 minutes to get der' from my house on the southeast side. Can't der' be a place closer to take da test for us southsiders."
Then this goof actually produced MapQuest directions from her house to Steinmetz showing that it takes 45-47 minutes to get there. Then she complained about the $3.00 toll for the Skyway.
This was the second or third question of the forum. The entire room stared at this woman as if she had 3 heads. What a friggin joke!
Hey Lady, maybe that long drive effected your test taking skills because obviosly you didnt make seargent!
And with all of the major issues that are happening within this department, that is the best question you can come up with? you twit!!

5/15/2008 02:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can any of you fools say he gave anything but canned answers. So the fuck what about listing merit, are you gonna tell some sgt you are working for hay you were a merit promotion. Big fucking deal.You morons are all looking for some father figure to save you. Bella is the only person standing up for us and some jagoffs are slamming him. Fuck that wheelchair shithead if he was so easy to handle why did hospital call police. I do agree Donahue looked strange, he and jfed were spotted eating breakfast together at the yolk on michigan. What was ment by break down in supervison that did not sound good. He didnt have this meeting cause hes our buddy he had it because hes scared.

5/15/2008 03:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pathetic. What a complete and total farce!!

For those of you who took your precious time to attend, question & share what happened - I thank you. From all I've been hearing & now reading I didn't miss much.

Didn't it occur to this twit he 'might' want to have some clue as to what it is the police do day in & day out? He should return his costume/uniform back to the costume rental place, take the money he's made thus far & RUN!

How can you be the 'Top Cop' (cough, cough...) in Chicago and NOT know what IVC is?

He came across as a regular guy? Well... isn't that nice? I'm glad some of you meeting Howdy Doody in person left you awestruck enough to 'hey, give the guy a chance'. Thankfully - it appears THAT opinion is limited.

When learning of J-Feds' arrival I really tried to keep an open mind. Hoping that possibly some fresh blood who owed no one anything could bring this department into the 21st Century. Not only does this clown come across as a uninformed moron, but (despite the huggy session some of you seemed to have gotten) he seems to be confused as to what his role is. Apparently he thinks its to fuck over the police at any given moment. We ALL know that's the FOP's job. (WTG Mark - totally unimpressive, as always)

Tasers, guns, computers, vehicles? Really? Where is the money gonna come from? His & Da Midgets personal salaries? The Citys' complete and total mismanagement of funds has Chicago in financial dire. Hiring more police officers? Again - with what funds? And based on what we've been getting PPO-wise in our district only 1 in 5 (maybe) isn't a moron. No life skills, no people skills. (before I get ripped for this... NO ONE expects any PPO to be a Super Cop, but I think it's reasonable for them to have some skills to actually DO the job - most I've seen are incapable of tying their own shoes - or even drive in some instances...)

The promotions? Considering the mass exit of retirees (all ranks) the department is going to have to do something.

The Cozzi incident. It's easy to arm chair but considering NONE of us were there I think it's unfair to hang him out to dry. He did what he did for whatever the reasons. He was punished, pretty severely too IMHO. He did the 'crime' & he did the 'time' including an apology in open court to a guy who wasn't the 1 who even beefed. For J-Fed to submit the file to his cronies for 'review' is shameful. The Feds can call it what they like - it still smacks of double jeapordy to alot of people.

Deployment. Maybe I don't currently reside in a high crime area. But - if J-Fed & his crew don't stop pulling manpower from their ASSIGNED districts it won't be long before it is. Those in lower-crime area are just as deserving of police service as high crime. Put the tact/gang teams BACK in their districts. This department has all kinds of silly units that can be re-deployed to address problem areas for saturation or whatever you want to call it. Use them.

He has no input as to what the ASA's will/won't prosecute? Really? The ASA's office won't talk to him & help come to a greater understanding of what WE (police & the courts)can do to provide some sort of preservation of safety & order to the citizens (that includes us, as we're forced to live here) of the City?

For those of you in need of more huggys or want the chance to bring LEGIT questions to J-Fed apparently you'll have a lot more chances. Fax came thru right before the meeting started announcing several more dates/locations to meet with J-Fed.

He knows morale is in the crapper - worst I've seen in 15 yrs on this job. He and more importantly Da Midget KNOW we are laying down. Do our job to the letter, write the reports & wave to the jagoffs on the corner. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find that the Midget told J-Fed to DO something. The media can't be kept out of this for much longer. Lil Richie has got alot of other problems lurking & looming on the horizon, not to mention his grand plan to host the Olympics (LOL, love that one) - he can't take a roasting by the media & his precious reverends.

Appears to me, yes - even this early that all is status quo. A lot of non-answers, because boys & girls - methinks J-Fed didn't study before this 1st test/trial by fire. He hasn't a clue, nor has he shown any desire to learn at all what it is the police do (well, other than him defiling our uniform). Maybe if he spent a little more time learning THEN reacting & making changes he could have earned a bit of respect.

Hey, Jody - have K.B. print this out for you and at least you'll have a starting point to understanding what it is to be US.

1. Put your fed suit back on. You look plain silly, like a little boy wearing daddys uniform. You didn't test for it, you didn't sweat for it & you didn't earn it. It insults those of us who HAVE earned it & don it proudly.

2. Get some reading material from the Academy. I'm sure M.T spends enough time hovering outside your office door - tell him to be semi-useful and bring some material that's given to the recruits.

3. Your choices on your command staff are a complete and utter joke. No need to go into particulars - WE all know what dolts they are (even if you don't). But - for the sake of civility here, they haven't any idea what the streets are anymore (some none at all). A ride along in some hopping districts I think would be a tremendous eye-opener for you. Let you see 1st hand what we deal with every night & let YOU articulate the probable cause to make stops or clear the groups on the streets. I can think of MANY officers (who are completely unimpressed with you, myself included) that would welcome you to ride 3 or 4 nights (especially on the weekends - heh heh prayin' for rain Jody?) to get a true hands on experience. Leave your silly uniform at home. Jeans and a sweatshirt will be just fine.

4. A few Meet n Greets is NOT going to improve anything Jody. You are being paid a helluva lot of money for a job you aren't qualified for. In order for you to get respect you have to give it. Learning about what CPD is/does would show at least some interest to the rank & file that you're here to actually be a part of CPD - not dismantle it piece by piece.

5/15/2008 03:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The J_FRAUD used his influence to get Cozzi indicted without any regard to destroying this officer's life, all for his own political and personal expediency. THIS SAYS IT ALL.
The J-FRAUD has no choice but to admit his role in perpetrating this sham because it will soon become public record.
Remember - the purpose behind that indictment was not to punish Cozzi, but to send a message to intimidate all of us. The plan back fired and now he is trying to back peddle.
If J-FRAUD wants to undo the damage on morale by undoing this injustice, then fine, he would deserve respect. Otherwise, his words are just a bunch of bullshit to save his ass from Daley's wrath.

Please be safe and take care of each other - believe me – the plastic man will throw you under the bus before you even see it coming. He is a phony and will never be one of us.

5/15/2008 04:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IT WAS MORE LIKE THE WALKING DEAD ATTENDED!!!

I WANT A PROMOTION BECAUSE I HAVE 20 YRS ON BOSS.....AND I COULDN'T FIND THE LAST SGT'S TESTING SITE......... LOL

VERY FEW OFFICERS MADE ANY SENSE. THOSE WHO WERE IN TROUBLE (CR'S) (SUSPENSIONS) ETC SHOWED UP TO PLEA THEIR CASES. NOTHING SAID ABOUT EQUIPMENT, CARS, RADIOS, PDT.... THINGS THAT ARE MORE IN HIS CONTROL. ONE GOOF WANTED THE SUPT TO BASICALLY GIVE HIM THE OK TO LOCK UP ANYONE WHO MOUTHS OFF TO HIM.....GET REAL ! LOOKS LIKE HE MIGHT OF BEEN A FORMER SOS GUY ???

ANYWAY, I SUGGEST IF YOU ARE READING THIS AND CARE ABOUT YOUR FUTURE!!!!! SHOW UP TO THE NEXT MEETING AND GIVE THE SUPT ISSUES HE HIMSELF CAN RESOLVE.

5/15/2008 06:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Think the meeting is a move in a good direction by the Department, and yes I was there!

5/15/2008 06:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Answer me this, what really do we accomplish by identifying the merit picks? It's still not you, so get over it!

5/14/2008 11:35:00 PM


If you don't know I shouldn't tell you but, It's a start in the right direction.

5/15/2008 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on, a Supt who doesn't know the inner workings of the police dept. will only learn what those around want him to learn.

He is the designated fall guy, nothing more, that is how Daley works. When the shit hits the fan next, as it surely will, Jody will wonder how all that shit got laid at his feet. he will take the fall and bad pub and wonder how it happened.

This is the Daley way, appoint a person with great fanfare and then keep them in the dark while meanwhile putting HIS people in there to really run things and keep an eye out. (Keating and the rest of Daley suckhole lackeys))

Don't fall for it. The Dept. is more fucked than ever.

5/15/2008 07:12:00 AM  
Blogger Westcide Dog said...

One thing I'd like to see posted is a list of questions already asked at yesterdays meeting. When the Supt and Cuello go to their next "CAPS" meetings, new questions are asked of them each time. My observations are that some burning questions regarding the department weren't asked. If they want to hold these dog and pony shows, they better expect to have their feet held to the fire.

5/15/2008 07:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could someone please post when was the first class of Sgts off the present list were promoted?


Late April of 2007....a class of 50 including merit picks

5/15/2008 07:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

was at the meeting and I have to tell you I left feeling better about J-Fed then any other Supt. I think its great that the Merit List will publish the names. That is huge for us. Finally, we can see who is getting promoted. He didn't know what IVC stood for. So what that means nothing to me. Fuck Cozzi, he deserves everything he's gonna get. Anyone that beats up a dude in a wheel chair never should wear the uniform again. Bella needed to ask more questions regarding our contract and stop backing coppers that step on their dick over stupid shit. Dude was in a wheel chair. You saw the video fuck him. I want to know about our money and when are we gonna get our contracts. Bella your a real asshole for taking up so much time about Bella and not our contact issues. FOP dropping the ball again.

5/14/2008 11:04:00 PM

Your an idiot,plain and simple...now go suck jfed's dick somemore

5/15/2008 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Sup looked good, I like him a lot more now, with a little more time this dept. will be on top of its game.

5/14/2008 11:29:00 PM

Mrs. Weis you must be very proud!

5/15/2008 07:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

give the guy a chance its only been a hundred days in, and he still has to get all his info
_______________________________
Jesus some of you people really are like sheep.Look what he has done in a hundred days.ONE meeting and I hear "Fuck Cozzi" or "JFed is not so bad".How easy we flip.Like Cozzi or hate him, I dont care,but the man was given his punishment and served it without question,then this idiot doesnt agree with the decision and runs off to the fed.I'm not one of these guys who uses the word "real police" I dont care if you work in the ghetto chasing dope/guns..or work in "slow" areas running traffic..burbs or city you ARE the police.This guy was NEVER the police and does not know how to be one.He has put up another smoke screen and it looks to me like it worked.Sorry for the rant...Be safe

5/15/2008 08:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the cooper who claims that the officer with tons of C.R. numbers is often the most skilled and some of the best on the Dept. is an utter FOOL... Only a true BUFFOON thinks like this in this day and age. There is more to being a good cop than being a dope and a thug who can't follow Dept. Rules and Regs; and can't do police work without getting constant beefs. Sure, criminals lie on us all the time, but I'm talking about frequent beefs from Supervisors, decent citizens, and other Cops, who are often the first ones to recognize an asshole copper who has zero respect fo anyone and thinks he's above the laws, rules, regs, and common courtesy when due to someone. The truth is, some of the coppers on the job need to grow up and use some tact, disgression, and integrity. The heat these nut-job cops bring on us all is incredible, and does damage to us via: more discipline, pay raise negotiations, and Dept. image. The comments were probably written by some black glove wearing goof with no life outside this place.

5/15/2008 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The first class of sgts off this list came out of the academy in August of 2007.

5/15/2008 08:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, Jody - have K.B. print this out for you and at least you'll have a starting point to understanding what it is to be US.

1. Put your fed suit back on. You look plain silly, like a little boy wearing daddys uniform. You didn't test for it, you didn't sweat for it & you didn't earn it. It insults those of us who HAVE earned it & don it proudly.

2. Get some reading material from the Academy. I'm sure M.T spends enough time hovering outside your office door - tell him to be semi-useful and bring some material that's given to the recruits.

3. Your choices on your command staff are a complete and utter joke. No need to go into particulars - WE all know what dolts they are (even if you don't). But - for the sake of civility here, they haven't any idea what the streets are anymore (some none at all). A ride along in some hopping districts I think would be a tremendous eye-opener for you. Let you see 1st hand what we deal with every night & let YOU articulate the probable cause to make stops or clear the groups on the streets. I can think of MANY officers (who are completely unimpressed with you, myself included) that would welcome you to ride 3 or 4 nights (especially on the weekends - heh heh prayin' for rain Jody?) to get a true hands on experience. Leave your silly uniform at home. Jeans and a sweatshirt will be just fine.

4. A few Meet n Greets is NOT going to improve anything Jody. You are being paid a helluva lot of money for a job you aren't qualified for. In order for you to get respect you have to give it. Learning about what CPD is/does would show at least some interest to the rank & file that you're here to actually be a part of CPD - not dismantle it piece by piece.

5/15/2008 03:37:00 AM

impressive. totally agree on the dumb as rocks ppo's.

5/15/2008 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
My favorite part of the meeting was the question asked by the
F/2/50's in the front row. She asked, "Why was da seargents exam held at Steinmets high school?, it took me 45 minutes to get der' from my house on the southeast side. Can't der' be a place closer to take da test for us southsiders."
Then this goof actually produced MapQuest directions from her house to Steinmetz showing that it takes 45-47 minutes to get there. Then she complained about the $3.00 toll for the Skyway.
This was the second or third question of the forum. The entire room stared at this woman as if she had 3 heads. What a friggin joke!
Hey Lady, maybe that long drive effected your test taking skills because obviosly you didnt make seargent!
And with all of the major issues that are happening within this department, that is the best question you can come up with? you twit!!

5/15/2008 02:50:00 AM

--------------------------
well asshat, you must be a northsider. because every test i test i gotta drive from 022 to 016 or 023 its fuckn bullshit... lets make all tests at marist hs

5/15/2008 09:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/15/2008 01:12:00 AM:

So you didn't go to the meeting.

Anyways, good turnout, nice to see Sgt. merit picks will be ID-ed, but it's too much to expect the FOP to put pressure on the City to show the clout DNA of all the sponsors of all merit promotions. Gotta give J-Fed a B+ for effort...

5/15/2008 09:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope that everone will realize that there probably wont be another meeting with J-Fraud.
If another meeting is scheduled then i think it is very important that we have some sort of orginization in place. One person delegated to ask very specific questions and keep track so we dont repeat ourselves. Maybe this should be the FOP's responsibilty. If we show J-Fraud we are unified and organized then it will put more pressure on him for accountability or atleast those he placed in the Command positions. FOP should post all questions and answers in the newsletter or on their website along with upcoming dates of the next scheduled meetings with J-Fraud.

5/15/2008 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all the Internet tuff guys next time go to the meeting and show us how it is done. To the ones that were there why didn't you man up and ask a question instead of making fun of p.o.'s that had the balls to ask a question.
Here are the notes I took.
J-fed admitted calling the Feds on Cozzi, but said he just wanted the civil rights section to look at the video and had no clue that they had indicted Cozzi. I call bullshit on that one.
He said a class of sgt.'s being announced Fri. and the sgt.'s that were made meritorious will be revealed.
He did not know what IVC stood for and it was funny when a Det. introduced himself to ask a question. J-fed looked nervous and turned to Aunt B and asked her if the meeting was only suppose to be for p.o.'s. The room erupted in laughter and told the idiot that det.'s were p.o.'s.
He admitted that p.o.'s were being stripped too quickly and wanted to change that.(rule 14)
He stated that wanted to change how rule 15 can be enforced.
J-fed or Aunt B didn't have a answer for a officer who asked what are the consequences when a supervisor makes false accusations against a p.o. He told the p.o. to go to the inspector generals office.
He said he never ordered dui check points to catch drunk coppers.
Any p.o. who passes both parts of the promotion exam can put themselves in for meritorious promotion.
J-fed said he thought he saw a document somewhere were the department purchased 3,000 tasers but wasn't sure if we had them. He said he believes all p.o.'s should carry them and he rather have a officer taser a subject than beat or shoot them. He said he would check into it and get back to us on tasers.
He said the dept. is authorized to hire 450 recruits this year.
With the blessing from Marky Boy in the audience, J-fed was able to tell us he was looking at two different work shifts. One group of p.o.'s would work 4 10hr. day with rotating days off and the second group would work 3 12 hrs days with tue-fri off. He said that group would be good for p.o.'s going to school. He definitely feels the 6 workday is antiquated and wants to get rid of it.
A p.o. asked him to do ride along with p.o.'s in busy districts. He said that he was told by his exempt staff that p.o.'s wouldn't like for bosses to ride with them for eight hours. Again the room broke out in laughter. He them asked for a show of hands of officers who wouldn't mind having a boss ride with them for 4 hours of the tour. All 200 plus p.o.'s raised their hands and he stated he would see what he could do.
Then a officer asked why the city, department,and SAO wasn't taking action against people would were proven to make false allegations against p.o.'s especially when proven false with the in car camera. He stated that it the SAO that doesn't want to prosecute these cases.He further stated that he doesn't like to present a case to the SAO unless he is sure he can win the case in court. He was quickly reminded that this wasn't the FBI and and we lock people up and don't worry if the case is winnable in court.He basically said that the video is useless with the SAO. But then another p.o. asked him why did we have to be monitored like little children with the in car cameras. This guy then contradicts himself and says that the cameras are good to exonerate p.o's against false allegations.
The question was brought up about pulling gang/tact teams from other districts to work hot spots.
These are a few points of the meeting but there are several point I am sure I forgot.Sure a lot of the meetings time e=was used by stupid questions but those officers took time to go to the meeting to ask their respective questions.

5/15/2008 10:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every last one of you are IDIOTS!!

First the Cozzi issue is not the issue itself, it's the fact "Exempt PPO" pushed to screw Cozzi AFTER Cozzi paid the price agreed to by ALL PARTIES!!

Second, how can you morons say he "seemed honest"? You don't know the fucking truth and are buying bullshit from a bullshit artist!

Third, merrit promotions? Who fucking cares!?!?!?!?!? If you can't figure out the stupid sargents you will likely be promoted on merrit as one too!

Lastly, actions speak louder then words. No contract. No new cars. Shitheads words over ours. No flashlights or guns. Still working 6 days in a row. Exempt PPO lied about looking at this blog. It's all BULLSHIT RETARDS!!! FIGURE IT OUT!!!!!

5/15/2008 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So J-Fed says at the meeting that merit promotees will beidentified in the next sergeant's class. Big whoop! So now we know instead of guessing but that doesn't change the fact that these merit hack are still promoted over more qualified people. That he didn't talk about. This was bullshit.

5/15/2008 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, If Google Eyes J Fed want to do something to improve morale among the troops, he should mobilize some of his federal friends to take a look at the Judge, and the prosecutors in the Michael Mette travesty.

5/15/2008 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ARE YOU KIDDING ME! NOBODY TALKED ABOUT THE 6 DAY WORK WEEK OR THE FACT WE DO NOT HAVE A CONTRACT INSTEAD YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT MERIT! LOL WHAT A BUNCH OF STROKES. COPPERS ARE JUST PLAIN DUMB! WAY TO SHOOT YOURSELVES IN THE FOOT. I SWEAR COPPERS THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING. BUT ONCE AGAIN WE HAVE PROVEN TO BE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS!

5/15/2008 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:08am
Yes, the guy spouting off about goofs mouthing off to him is former SOS. He is NOT used to street punks mouthing off to him. Why?
The gang bangers knew SOS was the unit not to mess with. SOS put a lot of people in prison. Even the typical drug dealer on the street knows the unit is gone. So what, if he was making a case for arresting jagoffs on Disorderly Conduct?
I too was there last night and I saw quite a few former SOS guys in attendance. It was good to see them too. It shows that despite the disbandment, they are still concerned about the way the CPD has turned for the worse.
He never said anything about SOS or asked why he couldn't get back on at SFG? His questions were purely about dealing with street punks on corners, because everyday they are getting bolder and bolder towards police...

5/15/2008 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"THE MEETING WAS GREAT J-FED IS A SUPER GUY. I THINK HE IS GOING TO TURN THIS DEPARTMENT AROUND SOON. MY HATS OFF TO HIM.

5/15/2008 01:23:00 AM"


Yeah, your Jimmy Hat.

5/15/2008 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was at the meeting and I have to tell you I left feeling better about J-Fed then any other Supt. I think its great that the Merit List will publish the names. That is huge for us. Finally, we can see who is getting promoted. He didn't know what IVC stood for. So what that means nothing to me. Fuck Cozzi, he deserves everything he's gonna get. Anyone that beats up a dude in a wheel chair never should wear the uniform again. Bella needed to ask more questions regarding our contract and stop backing coppers that step on their dick over stupid shit. Dude was in a wheel chair. You saw the video fuck him. I want to know about our money and when are we gonna get our contracts. Bella your a real asshole for taking up so much time about Bella and not our contact issues. FOP dropping the ball again.

Hey Asshat,

Cozzi paid his penalty, and was suppose to get his job back. All procedures were followed. J-Fed went out of his way to get him fired. That is exactly what we need to bitch about. J-Fed went out of his way after the process was done.

5/15/2008 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But what do I know, I am just a P.O....

5/15/2008 12:42:00 AM"

You know a helluva lot more than the mutant.

And a helluva lot more than his midget master.

Now, if only this county had a State's Attorney interested in investigating, indicting and prosecuting government corruption.......

5/15/2008 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bella you sounded like an idiot. why did you attack him on an issue that affects one guy! why not our contract! that affects us all!

5/15/2008 11:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"J-FED is making changes to the department that previous superintendents failed to do. Although, he has made some controversial moves, he's showing that the department needs change. Also, that their is hope for newer generations officers to get promoted based on hard work as oppose to any political affiliation.

5/15/2008 12:41:00 AM"


Fucking clout monkeys.

They're fucking everywhere.

They do, (so they think), sure know how to sweet talk.

5/15/2008 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Who was the ditzy blonde female from the 001st dist asking J-Fed for his cell phone number, so she could call him to pick her up when her half-Irish ass got drunk?
Now that was just stupid! Way to make the Irish look like drunks. It was offensive to non-drinking Irish po's in attendance.

5/15/2008 12:35:00 AM"


Any 'non-drinking' PO's who claim they are Irish must have kissed the Blarney Stone.

5/15/2008 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought that he did a pretty good job of trying to honestly answer questions. I will say that after the meeting i went up to him , he shook my hand and answered a few questions for me , he didn't run out after it was over. i think that there ia alot of misinformation and rumor about him in this department. give the guy a chance its only been a hundred days in, and he still has to get all his info from the most corupt merit hack command staff the world has ever seen.

5/15/2008 01:10:00 AM

Now this..is by far , one of hte stupidest comments here..

5/15/2008 11:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point of the Cozzi incident is not if you agree with Cozzi's actions or not, it is however that if Jody Wies does not agree with the Police Board about your punishment, he will go around the contract and have you indicted. Dont be fooled, that could be YOU! Concerning manpower, it's short all over, but really why should the largest dist (016) have cars sent to Westside. Should'nt my family get police service here, alot of us live here. Crime in 016 is going up, but rapids and gangs work in 015. My tax dollors at work. Concerning the contract and money, I for one would rather work under this contract than be in a rush and lose more rights and benifits as an officer. I'm not in a hurry lose more in order to get a silly 2% or 3% raise.

5/15/2008 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-FED is making changes to the department that previous superintendents failed to do. Although, he has made some controversial moves, he's showing that the department needs change. Also, that their is hope for newer generations officers to get promoted based on hard work as oppose to any political affiliation.

5/15/2008 12:41:00 AM

now you just keep on making use of that college tuition money that mommy and daddy spent on you so that you weren't exposed to to the street and common sense that might have prevented you from making a comment as this.

5/15/2008 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ooohhh, we're going to "identify" the merit picks. Holy shit, I can do that by my self! Hell, a fucking 5th grader can figure that out.

How about this idea; how about identifying the "HOW" in merit, I can give a flying fuck less about the "WHO". And most of the who are easy to spot in the first place, the ones attached to a bosses ass, and are cluleless when it comes to being the police.


11:04, you are a dumbass! Just wait till something happens to you. You are going to be the first one crying like a girl when the "double jepordy" issue comes to play! Oh, btw Mr "my shit don't stink", contract issues and pay raises are between the City and FOP, not the Supt. But I guess you knew that Mr perfect.

5/15/2008 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can no longer tolerate the arbitrary and capricious use of the word "MERIT" by the City in describing promotions and personnel policies,

We all know that essentially the CPD's version of the word includes political patronage, nepotism, bribery, clout and corruption.

I would like to propose a NEUTRAL suggestion that should be acceptable to both the troops and the City.

Forthwith, all should refer to this policy as "management discretion" or option, prerogative, etc.

To do otherwise is an insult to our intelligence and allows the media and academics to assume that the CPD's definition of "merit" is consistent with Merriam-Webster's dictionary. Far from it.

Finally, Daley, Weis and the City must publish a categorically and unequivocally worded definition of "MERIT", Chicago-style.

Fellow officers, if you insist on using this word, please use quotation marks ("merit", "meritoriously") or refer to it as "so-called merit".

Until this is resolved, I suggest that it be termed "management discretion", simply abbreviated as "mgmt".

5/15/2008 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO:
5/15/2008 03:37:00 AM

Bravo! Bravo! Sir.
Very impressive post. You hit the nails right on the head. It's great to know there are sharp, observant coppers out here who know what the fuck they're talking about. You should be promoted to J-Fed's advisor. No shit.

5/15/2008 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Humor indeed...From the Hegewische chick complaining about how far Steinmetz is? The sos guy complaining about not being able to arrest gang bangers with the old disorderly charge charge. The blonde chick asking for J-Fed's phone number. The rule 14 guys bitching about being at callback. The FTO crying about how he should be a pony rider. Bella almost bursting an aneyurism. The female black telling J-Fed he never faced danger on the street like her. Donahue keeping silent. Priceless.
I hope we have another Jerry Springer session soon.

WTF?! Couldn't anybody ask about the faulty pdts, radios, cars, cameras...you know real issues in patrol.

Just another smoke and mirrors show. Canadian counterfeit at it's best!

5/15/2008 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on, a Supt who doesn't know the inner workings of the police dept. will only learn what those around want him to learn.

He is the designated fall guy, nothing more, that is how Daley works. When the shit hits the fan next, as it surely will, Jody will wonder how all that shit got laid at his feet. he will take the fall and bad pub and wonder how it happened.

This is the Daley way, appoint a person with great fanfare and then keep them in the dark while meanwhile putting HIS people in there to really run things and keep an eye out. (Keating and the rest of Daley suckhole lackeys))

Don't fall for it. The Dept. is more fucked than ever.

5/15/2008 07:12:00 AM

I agree. The mayor will never hire anybody to outshine him.

5/15/2008 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately I was not able to attend the open forum with J-Fed. This was an opportunity for us to ask valid questions, and voice legitimate concerns. I can’t believe what I am reading. Someone actually took this opportunity to complain about where the Sergeants test was taken and how far they had to drive. WHAT AN IDIOT!!!! And that other idiot that asked for his cell phone to pick her if she’s drunk? Is that true? If there is another forum, do everyone a favor and stay home. It seems a lot if issues were not touch upon because of goofs taking the floor with nonsense. Just my opinion.

5/15/2008 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

there is a teletype out listing about 4 more meetings coming up for po's. They are at wright college, lane tech and a few other places i believe on the 20, 21, 22 and 27th. Use these meetings to get his answers to "ill get back to you" questions. and gor gods sake enough about Cozzi. did he gat a raw real? maybe. but lets fire as many questions and concerns at the supe as time will allow...not dwell on one topic only.

5/15/2008 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone ask about how many body bags we have for the summer..cooter said hey

5/15/2008 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this is double post please forgive I had computer problems. Iam currently working with a university professor on a paper about ptsd on cpd. In the past cpd supervisor's and even training staff treated cr#s like awards being a little dirty was encouraged to get the job done.The public like uppies in gentrified areas welcomed (aggressive) policing to increase their property values and protect them from the natives.Alot of you drank the koolaid. Now 2008 everything you were told or at least encouraged to do is bad. The uppies call you brutal and corrupt the supervisors (that had your back)now distance themselves from you if not try to hang you. Now from reading this blog I see a number of you are embracing your new abuser(like a battered woman or abused child). This paper , more like a book will be out after sos trial and I will try to forward to media. This paper will not hurt po's but will shine light on a system new and old that puts police in a cant win position. The professor is a genius.Please help me find the right title for my paper. God Bless.

5/15/2008 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It must have been Thanksgiving because all I saw were jive turkeys!!!!!!!!

5/15/2008 12:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"non-drinking Irish po's"

WHAT?!?!

Yeah. You'll find that on Wikipedia next to the unicorn, bigfoot, the loch ness monster, atlantis, and the yeti.

5/15/2008 12:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who was the ditzy blonde female from the 001st dist asking J-Fed for his cell phone number, so she could call him to pick her up when her half-Irish ass got drunk?
Now that was just stupid! Way to make the Irish look like drunks. It was offensive to non-drinking Irish po's in attendance.

5/15/2008 12:35:00 AM

YEAH RIGHT.......Thats a joke????RIGHT?

5/15/2008 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what is donahue and the rest of the union boys doing?they are the ones that are suppose to be taking care of us.these seem to be issues that they are not taking care of us.we all have the right to know what role the union has in getting the working police taken care of. maybe president donahue and the boys have forgotten whet it is like to work on the streets 6 days a week, and go to court.where the fuck is our union?????

5/15/2008 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is form, not substance. Go out and meet the throops, put yourself out there as a regular guy. The substance is this: Daley is running the dept. This guy can't even have his own pick for chief of staff. His top deputies were all city hall picks, and then they picked more city hall people and their friends. This guy is not running the dept. The only things of substance he has done since he arrived is: Promise things he can't deliver, and sic the feds on Cozzi (which he owns up to). He is just a figure head. Daley, via Jackson, courtesy of the reverends through city hall & Cuello, courtesy of city hall directly, is running this dept. And J-fraud can go to meetings and blow smoke up our butts for the whole three years and it will still be Daley calling all the shots.

5/15/2008 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can someone explain what it's gonna mean to expose the merit selections? Everyone who was at the meeting is saying the dept is gonna expose the merit selections. They will still get promoted even if they're undeserving. Exposing them just gives everyone a chance talk shit about it, but what good is that if they still get promoted.

5/15/2008 12:16:00 AM

You guys have been asking for the Department to do this for the longest, including FOP. Now that the department gives it to you, you are still complaining. By open merit selections the city will be a little mor accountable for who they promote. Unless every officer gets promoted meritoriously there will always be complaints. Again you asked for it, you got it, at least give them credit for listening and doing it.

5/15/2008 01:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did he wear our uniform during the meeting?

5/15/2008 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As cited earlier by SCC and others, will he define the word "MERIT" in writing?

5/15/2008 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An officer told the sup about a ppo watching and not assisting his FTO in a fight. Sup said PPOs should get real life academy training by POs with current street experience. P.O.s should be detailed to and rotated out of the academy, not assigned. PPO evaluations should be legit. If FTO says ppo isnt qualified the ppo should be washed out.

JFED believes we have a legit FTO program. At the meeting, he seemed ignorant that recruits are not guaranteed a FTO during the training cycle. What can we expect if PPO's are bounced around during the three training cycles? FTO program is in shambles. He also mentioned his displeasure with academy. He has yet to visit staff at academy. Brust also has ignored the academy. Great idea to rotate staff every three years. Who will train new staff and pay for specialized training for gym and range? FBI academy uses retired agents with specialized skills that are NOT rotated every three years. Let specialists from FBI academy evaluate CPD academy staff. I am looking forward to the next meeting.

5/15/2008 02:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster who wanted to ask JFed how he promoted the new command staff, I'll tell you right now. The only guy he really knew here was Peterson (aka "The Skull). Peterson "advised" the Fedster on whom to get rid of and who to promote. So everybody Peterson didn't like was history, and what got moved up were people who were controllable, and who thought Peterson knew what he was talking about. Ergo, the new command staff with Peterson pulling the strings from up on high.

5/15/2008 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think a more effective way would be for each district or unit to elect a unit rep. (no not the FOP unit rep.) collect legitmate concerns and have a monthly meeting with J-Fed. Have a system in place to track his responses to concerns previously discussed.

I think this would create forward motion instead of a bitch session were he has to defend himself for three hours.

But what do I know, I am just a P.O....

5/15/2008 12:42:00 AM

This is the best suggestion. List the concerns, document his replies, and then you can follow up on what got done and what was swept under the rug.

However, as much as a lot of PO's are hoping that the meetings are a step in the right direction, unfortunately it is obvious that this guy is a shrewd operator who will do nothing to address PO's concerns - his agenda is to dismantle the CPD. These meetings are desperation tactics sparked by the reduced activity.

5/15/2008 02:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3. how far are they going to take this rule 14 violation. an off duty officer is assaulted by a bunch of gang bangers, in the g.o.c.r. where it says home address most officers would put the off-duty officers work address, well this is falsifying an official report, will they attempt to go after officers for such petty things?
a laundry list of others....

5/15/2008 01:03:00 AM


YOU CANNOT LIE ON A POLICE REPORT! Need is any clearer than that?

5/15/2008 02:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why waste your time talking with a brick wall getting paid 300,000 G's? Just wait it out he will be gone in about 385 days, just wait it out and stay down. He will destroy your life and family given the chance.

5/15/2008 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was there. I felt like the only normal person at a retard convention. WTF?? Normal officers were banned?? It seemed like the only people there were the chronic malcontents and the rubber-gun callback rangers. J-Fed must have one seriously fucked up concept of the Chicago Police Officer population.

5/15/2008 03:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any news from JFED about detective promotions...

5/15/2008 03:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe we can mail our questions to Mark Donohue (Ha) or Bella so they can make a list to be sure that legit concerns are addressed at the next meeting.

5/15/2008 03:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heard that J-Fed finally admitted that there are only 8,000 police officers on the payroll..far cry from the 13,000 daley keeps insisting....I think I like this guy. Now if he would only admit that CAPS is a waste of manpower and do something about it I'd like him better

5/15/2008 03:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't be fooled by this man...(Weis) He is a highly intelligent individual and a professional speaker....not to mention a politician to boot...How / why do you think he has risen in the ranks of the FBI??? Use your brains out there....he "SOUNDS" convincing....and you "WANT" to believe him...he's still a FED..plaion and simple...

5/15/2008 04:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the last class of Sgts was made of 35 P.O.'s off the list and 15 by merit we (the people not being promoted by merit) are getting screwed. If they take 38 off the list, 30 percent of 38 is 11.4 which they would then round up to 12 and get thier class of 50. If you just base that they get 30% of a class of 50 they are promoting more by merit then they should be.

5/15/2008 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As far as the merit picks:

Have all applications submitted online and post the applications of those selected for merit promotions.

That is all.

5/15/2008 04:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the meeting, a PO from academy talked to JFED. It seems JFED is confused with CPD arrest procedures. He cannot understand CPD arrest is based on probable cause. Believes we should only arrest if the case is winnable in court. If we do not make arrest when we have probable cause, we get CR# and stripped. He is truly clueless. JFED compared federal conviction rate to CPD. Two totally different systems. Shame he does not have a few street wise exempts to assist him. Cuello was very quiet. She tried to verify status of 3000 tasers in academy but did not provide an answer. He was also confused about in car cameras and officer liability. Someone should brief him before the next meeting. At least have some clue about life for a PO on the street. And we need longer than 90 minutes.

5/15/2008 04:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need to have the exempt member who nominated the individual for promotion posted along with the names of the merit picks. That will shed all the light of day on the topic needed.

5/15/2008 04:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like the fact that JODY THE JAG, cut the questions off saying that he was up since 0530 and had to get home to his family. What did he think that this was a 9-5 job, like the FBI. What does he think he's making the big bucks for. You would think that something so publicized and important...this so called open forum....would have warranted more time than JODY THE JAG and Miss mouth allowed for.

5/15/2008 04:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So was there a Sgts List Today Like JFed said? or wait another day to see!

5/15/2008 05:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-Fed's presentation showed that a good BSer can be put in charge of anything until his cover is blown. He doesn't know the details of the job of a PO and it showed. When he finishes up here in Chicago, my bet is that he will BS his way into a sales manager position for GE aviation. Hey, why not, he'll probably say he is the best person for the position because he's flown on an airplane before.

5/15/2008 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jodie might be on to something with charging Cozzi because Jodie did not like how justice was administered.

Come to think of it, I don't like the fact that Jodie's FBI pals ran out on Joe Airhart and left him in there to bleed to death.

Hey J-Bitch, hows about charging those super special FBI agents that abandoned Joe with violating Joe's civil rights?

In particular, Joe's Right to expect that his fellow law enforcement agents would not run like bitches when the shooting starts.

And fuck you in advance to any piece of shit that tells me I should not say anything because I was not there.

5/15/2008 05:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE MEETING WAS GREAT J-FED IS A SUPER GUY. I THINK HE IS GOING TO TURN THIS DEPARTMENT AROUND SOON. MY HATS OFF TO HIM."

Huh?

Too many posts like the above, fawning over JFed. Either it's him posting or a lot of kiss ups looking to get merit promotions.

5/15/2008 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-fed's actions speak louder than his words.

He preaches accountability yet the head of the police academy is the same person who was the commander of SOS while multiple felonies were being committed by his officers over an extended period of time.

Each and every time a complaint was made about the criminal activity the Commander did ??????

Once again in keeping with a long CPD tradition:
If you have wack and screw up you are promoted. Those without wack are stripped and thrown under the nearest passing bus.

5/15/2008 05:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is another way to look at the merit promotions. For example if you take a class of 50 we get 35 and they get 15, times those numbers by 30 ( figuring the city has made at least that many classes over the years)
35x30=1050 legit
15x30=450 Merit
The large the number gets the closer the merit number gets to the legit number.
But if you take
38x30=1140
12x30=360
it will always stay close to 30% (but stiil slightly in favor of the city since 30% is actually 11.5)

5/15/2008 05:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You mean to tell me that the us not getting a contract for 1-2 years every time its up didn't come up? How about interest in our money? How about getting table scraps as a raise and same goes for the cost of living raise. The 13,500 officers lie didn't come up. Disarming police in court putting them in extreme harms way didn't come up. Come on guys! If I could have been there, believe me I would have.

5/15/2008 05:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE MEETING WAS GREAT J-FED IS A SUPER GUY. I THINK HE IS GOING TO TURN THIS DEPARTMENT AROUND SOON. MY HATS OFF TO HIM
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remember boys and girls anyone can write on this blog, incl. J-Fed's people.

5/15/2008 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smoke n mirrors. Wake-up. Morale at a low. Lets have a meeting, just you and me. We are all buds, I can pretend to show you, I'm one of you, the rank and file. To prove this I will not allow any supervisors. What was at the meeting that a Sgt. or Lt. wasnt suppose to hear. Nothing.
A typical Fed. Unfortunately some naive po's are falling in the trap.

5/15/2008 06:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

as a patrolman and chicago police officer I was at the meeting and am completly embarrassed. I thought many of the people in there were completly unprofessional, loud, and went about it the wrong way. I loved it when all the F 1 police officers stood up in the middle of a response from the SUPT OF POLICE and felt the need to shout like a bunch of animals "yeah come on out the da south side ride with us" screaming and yelling like we were in the middle of 64th and laflin. im a southside officer and was completly embarrassed. I also think that too many people were not there for the department but for themselves. they had there own agenda and no matter what explination or answer the super gave they were not satisfied or happy. I understand that many of the guys there had issues that they got f'd over and had to take days... but for these people to stand up and litteraly tell the man "we dont trust you" or yelling back at him like we were in a bar when he is trying to give you answers is not only disrespectful but unprofessional. for god sakes people, you dont have to respect the man but respect the rank. it looked like a bunch of animals in a drunken bar. some officers approached it very good and had a grievence, but asked it with respect and class...which is the way it should be, not like a bunch of little crybabies...very embarrassing. I didnt like J-Fed before but I got another look at him and I think he Might be ok... but after that joke of a conference im sure he thinks that we are all idiots now... why in gods name would he want to help us if we are going to disrespect him that much??

5/15/2008 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares who the exempts are. Actually we all know who they are almost immediately.

What I would love to see is a published explanation of just why each was promoted as exempt. Give us the reasons! If they really are so outstanding I would think that the dept. would want to showcase their accomplishments

This will NEVER happen and we all know why.

If they published the actual accomplishments of the COMMAND staff of the CPD it would only take one page.

5/15/2008 06:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To all you bitches whining every freakin day about merit, shut the F up! First you wanted us identified, now that's going to happen and you want blood lines and a genealogy chart. It will never be good enough, you don't have clout and you are not the working police, so....give it a rest. Signed, Merit Supervisor.

5/15/2008 06:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He is in way over his head. The command changes were made with no real knowledge of who or what was going on.
The real reason for the meetings. Someone clued him in on the morale problems and aggressive policing. He is trying to have it both ways.
Believe it, the Alderman Carothers knows what is happening , he mentioned it in a comment. Everyone is worried about the summer months, worried about their jobs.
Actually, kind of amusing to see them squirm.

5/15/2008 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I like the fact that JODY THE JAG, cut the questions off saying that he was up since 0530 and had to get home to his family. What did he think that this was a 9-5 job, like the FBI. What does he think he's making the big bucks for. You would think that something so publicized and important...this so called open forum....would have warranted more time than JODY THE JAG and Miss mouth allowed for.

5/15/2008 04:52:00 PM

He looked like the best option out of the 3 that the feds told the midget to hire. At least on resumes.

gone phishing

5/15/2008 06:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Here is another way to look at the merit promotions. For example if you take a class of 50 we get 35 and they get 15, times those numbers by 30 ( figuring the city has made at least that many classes over the years)
35x30=1050 legit
15x30=450 Merit
The large the number gets the closer the merit number gets to the legit number.
But if you take
38x30=1140
12x30=360
it will always stay close to 30% (but stiil slightly in favor of the city since 30% is actually 11.5)

5/15/2008 05:45:00 PM


anyone know how many people they took from the last list/test? when was the previous test before this last one??

5/15/2008 07:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anyone who was at the meeting confirm the post that JFED said he was looking at 12 hour days where you would be off tues-fri....I would take that in a second.

5/15/2008 07:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No south side high school is in the shape to handle a promotion test. I need a more positive environment to take my tests. Plus I hate the ghetto.

5/15/2008 07:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JFED believes academy staff should be rotated every three years. Who will replace them? Who actually wants to work at academy? TARA is a hidden job with hidden PO's. In academy, a PO would need training to teach recruits the curriculum designed by training board. Maybe he is correct. He can have a nationwide search for instructors. Maybe more ex-FBI agents to teach at academy. I suggest JFED visit academy and talk to satff or Brust could visit unless he is too busy.

5/15/2008 07:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

was at the meeting and I have to tell you I left feeling better about J-Fed then any other Supt. I think its great that the Merit List will publish the names. That is huge for us. Finally, we can see who is getting promoted. He didn't know what IVC stood for. So what that means nothing to me. Fuck Cozzi, he deserves everything he's gonna get. Anyone that beats up a dude in a wheel chair never should wear the uniform again. Bella needed to ask more questions regarding our contract and stop backing coppers that step on their dick over stupid shit. Dude was in a wheel chair. You saw the video fuck him. I want to know about our money and when are we gonna get our contracts. Bella your a real asshole for taking up so much time about Bella and not our contact issues. FOP dropping the ball again.

5/14/2008 11:04:00 PM


Hey Jody or Jody Suckholes,

STAY OFF OUR BLOG! If I've ever seen a fake/planted post, this is it. Bella rules.

5/15/2008 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got in a rear end hit and run accident recently on the Eisenhower, the State Police did the report in almost nothing flat! All on the computer then he printed my copy in the car, he ran the plate and inserted the striking vehicle's info from the computer, all done in less than 10 minutes!

The IL State Police do NO reports with pen and ink like us. The CPD is so antiquated it isn't funny, we are stuck in the dark ages. Remember when we were told we would get automated case reporting on computers? What bullshit. Other agencies have had that for YEARS. meanwhile I work on a good for shit PDT with no batteries and Windows 98!

And I do my reports with a pen in longhand!

We are a least ten years behind other large police agencies. M4's? Shit, we aren't even in the 90's! Oh, and the State Police computer system has a response time to run a plate that is in seconds, that temp plate came back almost instantly. Not us, the CPD has shit equipment and shit training.

No sense is asking the Supt anything, it would take such a massive infusion of $$$ to bring us up to date, stuttering prick Daley will never let loose of the funds to do that.

5/15/2008 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This comment section is loaded with fake/planted posts. I'm talking about the ones that are anti-Bella and pro-Weis. Total and complete bullshit. Planted on this blog by the Department. Don't believe everything you read, people.

5/15/2008 07:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it just me, or is Aunt Bea useless?

5/15/2008 08:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Identify the people that have acess to the test. You asholes complain about merit, how about the motherfuckers who get procter FOR the test. Oh, I see, you sheet wearing motherfuckers think that most of the Black officers promoted on this job are merit. WRONG!
But I'm sure the white merit pukes will admit their promotions. GFYS

5/15/2008 08:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merit may have many down falls but there are many bosses who studied hard and got good grades and aw shuks are swell guys but can't make a decision to save their life let alone a PO - we need bosses with a spine who will back up the PO !! Who gives a crap how they got the nice white shirt as long as they can handle the job

5/15/2008 09:00:00 PM  
Blogger NorthSide said...

6:45 PM (aka anonymous "merit supervisor"):

How dare you! You've got a lot of chutzpah. CPD "merit" = CLOUT. How can you condone political corruption?

Both the "working police" and law-abiding citizens have every right to demand professionalism, integrity, outstanding leadership, street experience and excellence in CPD promotions, assignments and other currently rigged personnel policies.

Based on your own arrogant admission, YOU and your worthless, clouted reprobates can shove your depraved version of "merit" up your ass.

A dysfunctionally managed, demoralized police force is a matter of compelling public concern.

Unless and until the City provides a written definition of "merit" criteria which can withstand scrutiny and verification, there should be NO promotions by "merit".

Should you choose to respond, specifically state your definition of "merit" and your identity.

Otherwise, YOU shut the fuck up.

5/15/2008 09:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They forget who makes up the backbone of this department. What we do and don't do affects them more than it does us.

5/15/2008 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have to be fucking kidding me!!! The FOP there and over 100 coppers and no fuckn questions about our lack of contract coming up on 1 year!! The meeting was about morale, well time after time we work without a contract and when we do get one we lose more and get very little. Contract and morale are the same!!!

5/15/2008 12:42:00 AM

Contracts are bargained with the City if you have forgotten. The mayor has the final say not the Supt.

5/15/2008 09:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5/15/2008 06:27:00 PM... Respect is earned and he hasn't earned respect from the troops yet. This was a first meeting and nobody should be acting like an idiot; hooting & hollering. I would hope that when he next meeting comes up, it could be more structured and focus on the things that affect the PO's and not just one person individually. I could care less about who made meritorious. It has always happened and always will. I can't change it so why should I care.
I think what really needs to be brought up is the shitty equipment, f*ed up investigations, rule 14 violations, $$$$$$, no contract, work hours and things of that nature. Maybe for the next meeting an FOP rep could write down a list of questions & be a spokesperson. I don't care for J-fed but I wouldn't disrespect him OR act in a way to embarass myself.

5/15/2008 09:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Actually, kind of amusing to see them squirm.

5/15/2008 06:56:00 PM"


"Do I amuse you?"

5/15/2008 09:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well asshat, you must be a northsider. because every test i test i gotta drive from 022 to 016 or 023 its fuckn bullshit... lets make all tests at marist hs


ok then lets move the medical section to the old 016 station

5/15/2008 09:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Superintendant is totally out of his element. He probably thought his job would be to present an image of a tuff no-nosense law enforcement officer.
That and really nailing a few poor souls as Officer Cozzi, who trusted the system.
Now he realizes being the Big City Police,is a very complicated process. Politics,PO's more intelligent than he expected,Crime, The Mayor,The Rev's.The Mayor.People giving him funny looks, SCC Blog site etc etc.
My guess is he is sorry he ever signed up.
The only thing he is thinking about,is how can I get out of this mess gracefully.
Maybe he can use the old standby.
I have decided to devote more time with my family.

5/15/2008 10:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Billy Ray Miley said...

I love J-Fed too. One time there was a cripple who roamed Michigan Ave. Last month J-Fed touched the man's shoulder and healed him. When J-Fed urinates, it turns into champagne.

Okay, I jest. He may be a weasel overall, but the fact that he scheduled a meeting to listen to officers is unprecedented. He should be applauded for that.

Further, I agree that some of the officers' conduct (the woo wooing) shows that there are plenty of complete and useless morons on this job.

Whether you like him or not, he is still the Superintendent. Don't act like a bunch of Democrats that want to boo President Bush all the time.

5/15/2008 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This idiot fed you hook, line and sinker and now many of you are thanking him for it.

5/15/2008 01:44:00 AM

you hit the nail right on the head. i cant believe that after one hour and a half meeting some of you are feeling all bubbily inside about this guy. he is completely full of shit.

5/15/2008 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was there. I felt like the only normal person at a retard convention. WTF?? Normal officers were banned?? It seemed like the only people there were the chronic malcontents and the rubber-gun callback rangers. J-Fed must have one seriously fucked up concept of the Chicago Police Officer population.

5/15/2008 03:01:00 PM

!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5/15/2008 10:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The dog and pony show is over folks. Get backin your squad and stay safe 'cause it's the SOS.

KMA
I/F

5/15/2008 10:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the meeting, a PO from academy talked to JFED. It seems JFED is confused with CPD arrest procedures.

I don't recall any academy guy talking about that - But I do recall Joe S. [ex traffic guy/saved by detail to 1300 west Jackson] bitching about one of his many verbal abuse beefs. This to the point of being far more disrespectful than the groups that earlier posters were mentioning, that reacted spontaneously to a subject near/dear to them.
Joe, PLEASE - learn when to sit down, shut the fuck up and "stack your chips on your own time..."

5/15/2008 10:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few comments here. I though the new sup did alot of b.s. talking around the real issues. Can't wait until the next few meetings to see what happens.

It would have been nice to not have that idiot in the front with her stupid mapquest stuff. The test is what once and then part two YOU ARE A FUCKING RETARD TO HAVE BROUGHT THOSE STUPID MAPS AND COMPLAINED ABOUT DRIVING 45 FUCKING MINUTES YOU FAT LAZY ASS BITCH!!!!!!!!!! Go back to the southside and live in your fucking doublewide. Second of all to the FUCKING MORON IN 16 WHO FUCKING COMPLAINED ABOUT FOOT POSTS. DO YOU WORK IN A BUSY DISTRICT LIKE 6 ?????? FUCK NO YOU SISSY BITCH. GET A FUCKING CLUE AND MAYBE LEARN HOW TO BE THE REAL FUCKING POLICE BEFORE YOU GO WIPE YOUR FUCKING ASS IN 016. I HAVE A CLUE FOR YOU.......GET A FUCKING LIFE.

5/15/2008 10:51:00 PM  
Anonymous the Virginian said...

--there are many bosses who studied hard and got good grades and aw shuks are swell guys but can't make a decision to save their life --

You can say that again. There are countless bosses who refuse to make decisions which they are responsible for making. Worse yet is those who will make decisions, but consistently make poor decisions that place people unnecessarily in danger.

Nothing demoralized me more than seeing either type get promoted, let alone to exempt ranks. Yet, there they are by the dozens.

Say what you will about Cuello, but as a sergeant she was not afraid to make decisions, and she was right far more than average.

From the sounds of it though, I might be the only person who defends her today.

5/15/2008 11:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did J-Fed address the abuse of the disciplinary system???? Two tier???

The arbitary firing of innocent PO's on BS allegations????

5/15/2008 11:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone notice that Mayor Daley's homeS in Michigan were almost torched by P.E.T.A.???

These freaks are domestic terrorists carrying out an agenda by violence. They are pissed that the CPD killed a poor,innocent mountain lion for no reason and that foie gras is legal again in Chicago....

Whacko's,Liberal Psycho's,Democrats...

5/15/2008 11:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Superintendent should hold a "meet the new boss" roll call session at Unit 376. If you are real J-Fed do this and you will gain tremendous respect within the rank and file.

5/15/2008 11:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason that we get railroaded is simply because coppers can NOT and WILL NOT do the little things like attend a q&a with the Superintendent and pose intelligent and logical questions.

If you have gripes air them and take action,quit whinning like bitches and hiding behind other standup coppers.

5/15/2008 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UNFAIR DISCIPLINE AND TERMINATION OF INNOCENT COPPERS SETS PRECEDENT BOYS AND GIRLS!!!

5/15/2008 11:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UNITE AND FIGHT FOR FAIRNESS AND STAND BLUE AND TRUE!!!

5/15/2008 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With the gross corruption of so-called merit promotions, how did the City ever receive the 30 percent concession to use this scheme? Did FOP fight it?

5/16/2008 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thought that he did a pretty good job of trying to honestly answer questions. I will say that after the meeting i went up to him , he shook my hand and answered a few questions for me , he didn't run out after it was over. i think that there ia alot of misinformation and rumor about him in this department. give the guy a chance its only been a hundred days in, and he still has to get all his info from the most corupt merit hack command staff the world has ever seen.

5/15/2008 01:10:00 AM

Now this..is by far , one of hte stupidest comments here..

5/15/2008 11:41:00 AM

IT'S ONLY STUPID TO A MORON LIKE YOURSELF WHO DIDN'T GO TO THE MEETING. I SAID GIVE THE GUY A CHANCE BUT MOST OFF YOU DOOMSAYERS HAVE YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ASS AND ONLY WANT TO BITCH AND COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING , WHY DON'T YOU QUIT AND GO BACK TOTHE FRY MACHINE AT MCDONALDS DICKHEAD!

5/16/2008 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Jody or Jody Suckholes,

STAY OFF OUR BLOG! If I've ever seen a fake/planted post, this is it. Bella rules.

Another dog ass complaining about the bosses wah wah wah i never seen so many fucking crybabies on this blog , it should be renamed the bitch and moan blog.

5/16/2008 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congratulations to all who attended the meeting; you are all honorary Sgt's for the day. You now know what it's like to listen to upper rank bullshit and pass it on to the troops, in this case, via SCC. I hope you enjoyed your experience and I'll expect more volunteers for the next seatbelt mission.

5/16/2008 01:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the working districts it takes "HOURS" to get to an available computer to process your prisoners. We need lots more working and available computers in all the stations. Way to much aggravating down time just standing around not able to process prisoners.

The copy machine is down all the time. If you need copies, which you always do, we're always told we have to travel to another station or library to get copies. WTF!

The fax machine is always broken. WTF.

The desk is always out of reports, out of dope bags, out of prisoner bags, out of blue evidence bags. This department is something.

Hit or miss getting a working radio, pdt or safe squad to take out.

None of this was brought up at the meeting with J-Fed.

This department and its equipment is a major embarrassment

5/16/2008 01:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come to think of it, I don't like the fact that Jodie's FBI pals ran out on Joe Airhart and left him in there to bleed to death.

Hey J-Bitch, hows about charging those super special FBI agents that abandoned Joe with violating Joe's civil rights?


Civil Rights violation? Hell, How about "Inattention to Duty", "Cowardace", "Incompitance"

5/16/2008 02:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Billy Ray Miley, this meeting was not unprecedented, Hillard had a few of these kind of meetings, at each Area. Went to a few of them, and from what I'm reading here, basically the same questions and answers were given. Terri was going to "look into" alot of stuff, and guess what NOT A THING CHANGED!!! Same old, same old.

5/16/2008 04:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Joe, PLEASE - learn when to sit down, shut the fuck up and "stack your chips on your own time..."

5/15/2008 10:48:00 PM

Does the truth hurt? What he said was valid about false CR#'s without support from department. There were more goofs at that meeting, foot posts and maps. Why post names? You must really have a problem with him. Talk to him instead of using the blog, if you have a pair. See you at next meeting friend.

5/16/2008 06:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think what really needs to be brought up is the shitty equipment, f*ed up investigations, rule 14 violations, $$$$$$, no contract, work hours and things of that nature. Maybe for the next meeting an FOP rep could write down a list of questions & be a spokesperson. I don't care for J-fed but I wouldn't disrespect him OR act in a way to embarass myself.

5/15/2008 09:34:00 PM

I agree. Focus on items that directly affect ooficers on the street. JFED does not control the contract. But he does control assignments, equipment, discipline, promotions. Bella has a point but the Cozzi case takes away the real issue. JFED circumvented the established disciplinary system. At least we know where he stands on discipline. Strip first and if you are not fired, then call the feds for civil rights. Focus on the crucial issues. Please leave the maps home and to hell with foot posts in 16.

5/16/2008 06:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i remember driving all the way down to daley college to take some fuckin' test i didn't pass, so all you south siders crying about going to lane can stop fuckin' cryin' already.

5/16/2008 06:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, I jest. He may be a weasel overall, but the fact that he scheduled a meeting to listen to officers is unprecedented. He should be applauded for that.
No, Supt Hillard held a series of these meetings during his tenure.

5/16/2008 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Chicago Police Department is broken. It is in many pieces and will be very hard to fix. Not in this lifetime is my guess.

5/16/2008 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

QUIT ASKING FOR NEW COMPUTERS OR COMPUTERS THAT ACTUALLY WORK!

We need that money to build my friends new childrens museum, that nobody wants. Except me and Walsh Const.

Also we need to build and maintain my wife's flower boxes all over the city. PS quit referring to them as Maggie boxes! she hates that.


Also we need the money to re-fund Operation Cease Fire. The Gangster Deciples have complained that it's not fair to cut off their cash and lets face it, it is an election year.

Why all the complaining. I bought you a new $315,000 Supt. And personally got you the very best leader available, Aunt Bea! She pours a great shot.

Your Mayor for Life;

Little Dick Daley

5/16/2008 08:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't recall any academy guy talking about that - But I do recall Joe S. [ex traffic guy/saved by detail to 1300 west Jackson] bitching about one of his many verbal abuse beefs. This to the point of being far more disrespectful than the groups that earlier posters were mentioning, that reacted spontaneously to a subject near/dear to them.
Joe, PLEASE - learn when to sit down, shut the fuck up and "stack your chips on your own time..."

5/15/2008 10:48:00 PM

You are brave on a blog including another PO's name. If you are actually a PO then have the balls to ID yourself. You know where he works. Come on down and talk. He brought up valid arguments about false accusations against PO's. Maybe you are not concerned, hiding inside a office? Obiviously, you have never worked the street. Or a do nothing white shirt in traffic? I have known him for years and he is a stand up guy. He does not hide, what about you?

5/16/2008 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"knowing whos on the merit list is"huge for us"? Why. Who gives a fuck. They are easy to spot. Usually bumbling fools with no street experience but with aldermanic sir names.

Nothing will ever change for the better until the crooked little rat Daley is in jail with Stroger, Blago, and all the rest of the TOTALLY corrupt political combine that rules over Illinois. Can you say Democart?

5/16/2008 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

like the fact that JODY THE JAG, cut the questions off saying that he was up since 0530 and had to get home to his family

Now why do you suppose he would say something like that? Could it be that he wanted to show some solidarity with the rank and file........that he is one of us...he is a politician my brothers....not the good old boy he would like you to believe he is...be very afraid of the shit he pulled with Cozzi....that could be you my friend....he has instituted a new layer to the discipline process....federal charges....be very afraid....

5/16/2008 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well asshat, you must be a northsider. because every test i test i gotta drive from 022 to 016 or 023 its fuckn bullshit... lets make all tests at marist hs

5/15/2008 09:08:00 AM

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with morale being at an all time low, you couldnt think of anything but the test location? I dont think you can fit quite as many people in Marist as you can a Lane Tech or a Steinmetz. If you dont want to drive, dont take the test.

-a southsider with some common sense

5/16/2008 01:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a question. Jody do you read the blog?

5/16/2008 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess the bosses and the media and the midget and the city council weren't clear enough so i'm gonna spell it out for you. DONT DO A GODDAMN THING OUT THERE! They don't want you to. Go out and get a laptop or a dvd player with one of the last uniform checks we get before they are taken out of our new contract and answer your radio calls and that's it. Dope, guns and violence on the streets isn't our problem anymore. A work slow down is as close as we can get to a strike and we need to make a point.

5/16/2008 05:38:00 PM  
Anonymous jody said...

1:12 PM

What blog? I don't know what you are talking about.

Remember

Professionalism
Obligation
Leadership
Integrity
Courage
Excellence

I've got your back!

5/16/2008 06:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Answer me this, what really do we accomplish by identifying the merit picks? It's still not you, so get over it!

5/14/2008 11:35:00 PM

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Are you really this dim?

5/16/2008 07:18:00 PM  

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