Is This a Done Deal?
The Tribune is certainly making it sound like a "Letter of Agreement" has been reached. But as we all know, that could be propaganda:
- Chicago police officers could be teamed up with their very own personal trainers and given tailored diets if they fail mandatory fitness tests proposed Tuesday by the city in contract negotiations with the department's union.
Officers would have up to 90 days to buff up before retaking the test. If they fail a second time, they would be referred to the department's medical services section for "further evaluation regarding the officer's fitness for duty."
The proposal doesn't say what would happen to officers after that, and neither side is commenting.
The yearly tests would be mandatory for new or promoted officers starting in 2009 and voluntary for everyone else.
Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis, a fitness enthusiast who took office earlier this year, previously talked about changing the department's policies on physical fitness tests. They have been strictly voluntary, and officers received financial incentives for passing.
The language in the letter (click here for the FOP Update) seems to imply that anyone seeking a promotion will be required to pass the tests? No grandfathering in old timers with pre-existing conditions like injuries and such? And there's nothing in the Appendix outlining financial incentives - are they gone?
If we recall the last of the Nolan days correctly, the arbitrator allowed all the so-called "Letters of Agreement" to stand. Months later, every single Nolan Team member lost their jobs. As were headed to arbitration anyway, are we seeing history repeat?
If we recall the last of the Nolan days correctly, the arbitrator allowed all the so-called "Letters of Agreement" to stand. Months later, every single Nolan Team member lost their jobs. As were headed to arbitration anyway, are we seeing history repeat?
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Officers that cannot shape up or lose the excess poundage will be put of a special mission team, aka,
"The Fat Force". They will walk foot beats in high crime areas in teams of four (1 Sgt. and 3 p.o.'s) until they can lose the weight, or their clout gets them transferred.
The Sgt. will also be required to carry a "Defibulator" in case somebody drops out during the tour.
No Fast Food Lunches!
Their duty belts will be armed with 2 gallons of water and Health Bars.
Walk it OFF Boys and Girls!
JODY
Its on the FOP website.
I'm all for the yearly fitness requirement. Let's take it one step further, same standards across the board regardless of sex and age. Let's face it, we all fight the same people, chase the same people and do the same job so why should a 100 lb female not have to bench the same percentage as a 200 lb male(not the same weight just the same percentage). Oh and let's get rid of the stupid machine and use free weights for the test. Let's face it people, most of this dept could really use a little exercise.
GOOD! I'm tired of seeing some fat slob in a white shirt.
WTF, is the FOP crazy or what. Let keep thing the way they are now!
reading the tribune article, it's pretty clear that this is a proposal and no agreement has been reached. I'll tell you what though, I have passed that POWER test the last few years for the money but will NEVER take it again because it would force me to take it again every year after that according to the proposal. I'm relaxing when I hit my 50's, not worrying about some damn physical test.
Make it like the military. A yearly test. Out of shape guys are just a strain on the system. ( medical use or abuse) We are supposed to be a semi-military group, so the testing is fine. The biggest whiners are probably the most out-of-shape. Start watching your diet, eat healthy.
Even the USMC relaxes some of it PFT standards for Marines over 45.
Are they crazy. I don't have a problem with taking the power test, but why in the world would the FOP give the city anything big like this without getting something huge in return. How about lifting the residency requirement? How about earning interest on our backpay each time the city refuses to give us a new contract for two years after the deadline. I thought the FOP was supposed to work for us, getting us benefits and preventing the city from making us do more and more or give up more and more. Who elected the FOP, us or headquarters/city hall???
so the 22 year vet with a heart condition or a bum knee cannot make sgt due to the test, a job where he is less likely to HAVE to be fit, so they keep him at....po? And something I was getting paid to do last year may be mandatory this year? eh? hello?
this is awesome! Im gonna fail every test, and when the city tries to fire me, ill sue.... its a disability, and if the city rules that im not fit to work due to my disabilty, is a desk job with better hours or see ya in court schmoes!
Outstanding idea! And the exempts should lead by example. I propose that a union rep from each union administer the power test to all exempts before they start with the first blueshirt. You think that with all the problems in this dept., fitness testing & sandards would not be such a priority. Let's face facts. We've all been dong the job since 1834 without a yearly test. Let's increase police training standards both recruit & inservice; improve equipment; improve morale; establish better schedules and working conditions...then, then let's wory how fast someone can run or how much weight they can press. Get real people.
Shut up and pass the ketchup
SWAT is asking for spt's pay because they have to do power test and shooting qualification. And all they do almost everyday is train to pass these tests. Again guys in patrol get screwed.
Myoptic pos
Your spousal annuity will be more important to your family that your personal trainer when you check out.
Your health coverage, your eye, and dental, your pension cols...
for the family members
secure their future first.
guns, cars, radios, etc...uniforms???
get priorities straight.
...and when someone drops dead taking the mandatory test, then what. I'd have an attorney on retainer for my family to sue everyone, J-fed, Richie, FOP, etc.
HEY JUDY WHY NOT HANDLE THOSE RISING AGG BATT WITH HANDGUNS AND WORRY ABOUT THE REST OF THAT SHIT LATER?
I've never seen a "six-pack" or "buns of steel" get a murderer to confess, testify well in court or supervise officers or detectives well.
More crap forced on us because this goof is an exercise nut.
Typical Fed Bullshit.
Just so we all know whats going on: you can be a box of rocks and not pass a test, but you are agood leader and you get a merit promotion. Now you pass a test and are a good leader but you can only bench press 75% of your body weight and you don't get promoted. This how you end up with leadership like J-fed a box of rocks who can do push ups.. Oh by the way lets lead by example..is Skahill and Stanley and evryone else the rank of Capt and above going to take the power test, if so there should be another wave of ...
I may be out of shape but I'm still faster than Konerko!
proposed Tuesday by the city in contract negotiations with the department's union.
**Again ... contract issues being discussed byt he media. STEP UP DONOHUE ... put a stop to it.
POLICE OFFICER
CRYSTAL LAKE PD (IL)
Posted: 3/19/2008
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# Valid Driver�s License
# Applicant must be 21 years of age at time of application, and UNDER 35 years of age at time of application and at such time as the initial eligibility list is established, except as otherwise determined by State Statute.
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# Meet Visual Acuity Standard of correctable to 20/20 and shall not be color blind.
# Completion and submission of an online application and all required documentation (see checklist) by the deadline of Tuesday, May 27, 2008 at 12 noon.
Starting Salary: $50,481.60 Illinois Certified Police Officers will receive preference on the final eligibility list and their starting salary will be negotiable: 2008/2009 Salary Range: $50,481.60 to $77,750.40 (max after 6 years) Generous Benefit Package includes an innovative 5-2, 5-3 schedule that allows approximately 15 extra days off each year.
Let's see ALL exempts complete and pass this requirement. Not new exempts,
but the current crop.
Also, the exempt testing would be held at Solider Field. All department members can be present to witness our command staff lead by example.
Isn't it funny that the only things that start at the top on this department are excuses.
I offer to hold Bea Cuello's feet while she does the sit ups. One more, one more baby, give me one more just like that. Oh I'm sorry, you mean that we don't lead by example here. Sorry I forgot that this was Chicago. I'll still help you out Bea, wink.
I guess the Dept. is going to be lead by 2 year wonders!
All of my 15 year street experience won't count for nothing because of the bad 1st watch shift I had to work and no decent restaurants on the Westside to get any good food only junk!
That is what made my out of shape! Bad hours, No good food in a ghetto hood! Have you ever tried to sleep during the day when normal people are out and about, IT SUCKS!
The way this whole issue is being discussed in public is an embarrassment to all police officers. The department is telling the whole city that it feels its officers are fat and lazy, when police officers are actually much more fit than the average citizen in this city.
J-Fed could have easily required a POWER test for all officers and supervisors in specialized "units" without violating the contract. He obviously did not do that because there are people on the Mayor's detail that don't want to take it.
So, instead he publishes yet another lie, so the local media has one more thing to bash police with until they can turn the Abate video into a movie of the week.
Am I the only one who saw this gem of a quote in the Sun-Times in an article about fining residents for not having their dogs fixed?
Eddie "No Balls" Burke has hit a new low. Now he wants us to check vicious dogs for their balls? I say we put his brother and security detail on this assignment ASAP.
“When you drive down the street and see a gang banger with all kinds of gang regalia walking along with two or three pit bulls, it’s pretty simple for the policeman to raise the dog’s tail and see whether or not it’s spayed or neutered. If it’s not, the gang member is in violation,” Burke said, noting that street gangs operate dog-fighting rings.
The FAT FORCE!!! I Love that idea! There are definately enough thunder thigh, kankled p.o.'s and sgt.s waddling around to form up a "jump out boys" style unit. I nominate "Lt. Mag***" formerly of 023 and 015 for the unit's commander! She is very quilified! She's obese, ignorant and usually wears a filthy uniform! Maybe we could bring back Kevin "the Onion" O'R***e to be her driver!
The Fat Force!!! Awesome!!!!!!!!
Here is whats wrong with the Power Test. Same Job different standards, which was done to get more women on the job if I remember correctly.
MALE
AGE 20-29 30-39 40-49 50-59
Sit&
Reach 16.0" 15.0" 13.8" 12.8"
One Minute
Sit-Ups 37 34 28 23
Bench .98 .87 .79 .70
Press
(Percent body weight)
1.5 Mile Timed
Run 13.46 14.31 15.24 16.21
Female
AGE 20-29 30-39 40-49 50-59
Sit&
Reach 18.8" 17.8" 16.8" 16.3"
One Minute
Sit-Up 31 24 19 13
Bench .58 .52 .49 .43
Press
(Percent body weight)
1.5 Mile Timed
Run 16.21 16.52 17.53 18.44
Totally unfair, but politically correct.
That is what the city proposed. FOP's proposal mentions nothing of a physical fitness requirement. We'll see how things go though.
I work at Homan Square, the so called Gym on the third floor is a discrace, the cardio machines are in desperate need, not repair but replacement,a law suit for negligence is just waitng to happen from an injured P.O., using the cardio equipment,if we are expected to stay in the best physical condition, then then powers to be,should ensure that the equipment at Homan Square is in top shape condition and provide a safe work-out enviorement.
At one time there was a weight requirement on this job, but there also was a height requirement. My advice of twenty plus years on this job is to partner up with the biggest ugliest meanest looking partner you can find. Yes size does intimidate. Many times I've seen morons sizing my big partner up and deciding to come along with no trouble. My partner is big, not built. I saw him justifiably put an asshole right through the wall, literally. That's the guy I want fighting beside me, not some weight lifting fool who doesn't want to muss his pretty hair. Running? Isn't it a better idea to get a good description out over the air and get the troops cruising alleys and streets? walking through yards with partner, not running at different speeds (alone). Many an offender has been located this way. Besides they have the advantage of knowing where all the potholes and obstacles are. Too many cops have been hurt tripping and falling chasing these goofs. Is this too old school?
Off-topic:
Nice.Get a load of this...
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/5780470.html
WOW! I have Seen some heffers but those "heavy bike copper girls" we are seeing out there WTF! Where does the SEAT go on those things......Yikes!
What comes to mind is that they look like those twin fat guys on motorcycles with mustaches and cowboy hats and sunglasses riding next to each other like the ones you see in the cartoons (resembling the likes of Peter Griffin from Family Guy).
So what do we need to do?
Sgt. Jenifer Craig from HQ to the rescue as she will now focus on a new G.O. for an Officers Lunch menu when on-duty. Any officer observed eating at Mc Donalds or JJFISH, Jimmy Dogs or Ricobenes in the field will be sparred by the Inspectors! Cerlery and Carrots !!
What about Commander Seattle Sutton of the newly formed PT Unit of our Academy. She will host an EATING DISORDER SEMINAR at the New Academy SPA on west Jackson st. Free Enemas for the first 30 officers in attendance!
Lt. Richard Simmons will instruct the MANDATORY Jazzercize training sessions there too as the Officers dance to such songs as:
Be my Cherry Pie and Fat Bottom Girls, while they SWEAT away the pounds so they can carry an M-4!
Overweight Officers can now find relief from the assistance of our local Reverends too.
The Rev. Jared from the Church of Subway will hold a drive for Officers to turn in their used and dangerous "Deep Fryers" for coupons to a local Vegan market.
There will be counselors on hand like Civ. Karen Carpenter in case an Officer goes overboard sticking his/her fingers down their throats to overimpress Jody with their weight loss for extra Meritorious considerations!
For those Beer gut toting P.O's that gain their calories through drinking........Lt Rich Scotchbreath may handle those early morning calisthetics and evening AA meetings as we all "Go on the wagon" to fit in.
Together We Can!
So much change in our department so little time! Best of Luck!
"Is this too old school?
5/15/2008 08:43:00 PM"
Hell no, it makes sense.
That's why the federal mutant's taking the opposite view.
"...Burke said, noting that street gangs operate dog-fighting rings.
5/15/2008 06:20:00 PM"
Swell.
Let's see Slick Eddie raise that first tail.
And not the one he lifts up when he gets home to mama.
"....until they can turn the Abate video into a movie of the week.
5/15/2008 05:11:00 PM"
Gee, I hope they do.
And change the ending so the barmaid discovers she's found her true love in Abatte, as they walk hand in hand into the setting sun. (Cue violins)
Ain't love grand.
"I offer to hold Bea Cuello's feet while she does the sit ups. One more, one more baby, give me one more just like that.
5/15/2008 04:46:00 PM"
I sure hope you're referring to her doing sit-ups........
Here is whats wrong with the Power Test. Same Job different standards, which was done to get more women on the job if I remember correctly.
MALE
AGE 20-29 30-39 40-49 50-59
Sit&
Reach 16.0" 15.0" 13.8" 12.8"
One Minute
Sit-Ups 37 34 28 23
Bench .98 .87 .79 .70
Press
(Percent body weight)
1.5 Mile Timed
Run 13.46 14.31 15.24 16.21
Female
AGE 20-29 30-39 40-49 50-59
Sit&
Reach 18.8" 17.8" 16.8" 16.3"
One Minute
Sit-Up 31 24 19 13
Bench .58 .52 .49 .43
Press
(Percent body weight)
1.5 Mile Timed
Run 16.21 16.52 17.53 18.44
Totally unfair, but politically correct.
5/15/2008 06:50:00 PM
Quit your whining.
Does this mean we will start getting first class care for IOD's? Does this mean the mayor will stop cutting our medical benifits?
Until we start getting better health care, many older officers will never have a chance to pass any test given.
The 011th District has a small workout room in the basement that is getting the following: new rubber floor, 3 or 4 new stationary bikes, 3 or 4 cardio machines as well as various other new equipment/weights. This from a reliable inside/CAPS person. Change has already been set into motion, folks - bet on it.
Are the people on the new Sgts list going to have to pass the fitness test? Just wondering when this goes into effect are Dicks gonna have to pass too. Maybe I won't take the next promotion test offered or I will just have to start working out.
So thats why they made all those commanders already. They are all gonna be fit next year...
I guess promotions will only be coming from like 6% of the departmnet now. ..
Why have the standards when the academy lets PPO's slide when they can't even finish the power test when they are still in the mf'n academy. Whatever!!!
" . . why in the world would the FOP give the city anything big like this without getting something huge in return. . "
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What the FOP is doing is selling out the new or in this case police officers who have not been hired yet. This will effect all new POs hired after 2009. Thereby setting up a "two-tier" system.
This is exactly what Greg Bella wrote was a BAD idea in an FOP Bulletin 2 years ago; selling out the new guy so we could get some peanuts in contract negotiations. As the city does little things like this over time this will become a shitty job equivalent to working at Walmart one day in about 20 or 30 years.
I'm a PO somewhere in Wyoming. I run goldang triathalons and I think it makes me a better cop.
I grew up in Chicago, though. I remember the cops I dealt with were all big old wagonmen who probably lived on ten pounds of corned beef and cabbage or pierogis a day, and who would ring your goddamn bell if you started shit with them.
I think being in shape is important and a fitness test is a good thing, but fuck the city. FOP shouldn't give this away without at least getting a break for the guys with bad knees from pushing a broken squad car and cuffing and stuffing Pookie every night for twenty years.
I'm all in! Thats right, 110% for this! In fact, I'll tell J-fed, Da Mayor, Gov Blow Fish, hell, even The President Im in!
Hey Office, theres an Agg Batt on your beat! WTF???
Oh, sorry boss, I'm too busy gettin in my work-out, watch out, I got 2 more reps to do!
Excuse me, Officer, I think that person is getting robbed....
Watch out lady, I'm on my way to Jamba-Juice, If they were fit like me, they could ward off that bad man!
we are a department divided and conquered!!! J fed keeps bringing up these proposals that he knows or someone is telling him will get the troops fired up. So you have half the officers on one side of the fence and the other on the other side. Officers are so worried about bashing each other they are forgetting we used to be a tight organization who stood up for each other.
It appears we are turning into a ME department when I first came on over 16yrs ago we were an US dept.
The old timers used to say things go in cycles, hopefully we can get back to the business of US.
While we are on fitness standards, what about the fitness standards of our supervisors, from the neck up. Fitness standards my fucking ass. The Chicago Police Department is so hopelessly fucked by Daley it won't be coming back. It's each man (or woman) for themself.
You can't get police to come together for a common cause anyway. Coppers are only interested in getting out of the station and getting home or on to their side job. they complain as they change clothes before and after the shift but that is it. No unit cohesiveness, no camaraderie and no morale. It is a job you can't take seriously.
Any young person thinking of a career in law enforcement better go somewhere else, this department is fucked.
Will power test apply to white shirts? How can a over weight LT or captain critize PO's on their watch? Look at your exempts, J FED.
Will power test apply to white shirts? How can a over weight LT or captain critize PO's on their watch? Look at your exempts, J FED.
5/17/2008 09:26:00 AM
Their title says it all. Exempts...
Fucking bullshit.
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