Thursday, August 21, 2008

City Blinks

Actually, they backed down when someone with a modicum of intelligence actually read the contract, realized they screwed up, then saw a calendar with an arbitration date not even 8 days away and realized they really really screwed up badly:
  • The city blinked Tuesday in a standoff with the police union over action the Chicago Police Department took against union leaders for failing to complete an annual shooting test.

    [...] But on Tuesday, the city agreed to restore their police powers and have an arbitrator decide the issue...

Whomever is advising J-Fed is doing a rather bad job at it.

And since once again, Frank Main is stealing story ideas from the blog, we've got another idea for him to write about:
  • Please check with the Academy Firearms instructors and get the dates and times of all the aldercreatures who qualified this year.
We'll let you know that it's only a Pass/Fail course, so you won't be getting any numerical scores, but it would be interesting to see which aldercreatures had to take the test more than once. It would be even more interesting to find actual eyewitnesses who saw the qualification attempts, not to mention a verifiable miracle. We're just saying...

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71 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

AND WHILE THEY'RE AT IT , MAKE SURE THEY THE DATES, TIMES, AND RANGE PERSON'S NAME AND STAR NUMBER. THEN CHECK THE AA SHEETS TO SEE IF THAT PERSON WAS REALLY WORKING AT SAID TIME. YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THESE QUALIFICATIONS WEREN'T DOCTORED AT THE LAST MINUTE.

8/21/2008 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

aldercreatures don't qualify!


By the way I like the comments from Tobias. ..Like he has room to talk.

8/21/2008 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They didn't blink they were ordered the "stay of execution"

STRIPPING UPDATE 08/20/08

Arbitrator, Edwin H. Benn issued an emergency arbitration order dated 20 August 2008. This order stayed the actions that the Chicago Police Department had taken against First Vice President Bill Dougherty, Third Vice President Greg Bella, Financial Secretary Tim Fallon, and Recording Secretary Sidney Davis.

An expedited arbitration hearing was originally scheduled before Arbitrator Benn for 29 August 2008. His emergency order will remain in effect until the outcome of the hearing.

8/21/2008 02:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you should not make any comments m.t. about people qualifying. you try to make these guys look stupid and it back fired. that's not cool at all you should take care of all p.o.'s. but they got the last laugh karma!

8/21/2008 02:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look who they hung out to dry on this...perhaps he's skating on thin ice (pun intended) with regard to the SOS scandal and expendable at this point?

"When you go on leave, you turn in your star and ID card," said Assistant Deputy Supt. Matthew Tobias, who runs the police academy and the firing range. "These people still had their stars and IDs -- and were assigned to a unit."

8/21/2008 04:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about the dates that the exempts qualify?

8/21/2008 05:17:00 AM  
Blogger Too Many Dummies said...

To Frank Main: If the academy refuses to provide the scores, file Freedom of Information....

8/21/2008 06:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous said...
Look who they hung out to dry on this...perhaps he's skating on thin ice (pun intended) with regard to the SOS scandal and expendable at this point?

"When you go on leave, you turn in your star and ID card," said Assistant Deputy Supt. Matthew Tobias, who runs the police academy and the firing range. "These people still had their stars and IDs -- and were assigned to a unit."

8/21/2008 04:46:00 AM



There is more at stake here than simply having the 4 FOP officers qualify with their firearms. They do not fall under the State of Illinois requirements due to home rule.

Remember, the City of Chicago does NOT pay the salary of these officers, WE dues paying FOP members pay their salary. WE pay 100% of the salary. So why then does the Department get to order them to do anything?

If the Lodge should once again be reimbursed for their salaries, then they can order them to qualify. I like them being paid by us, it enforces their independence.

I agree though that they should qualify, if only for their own good and to stay proficient but the Department needs to be very limited as to what they can order OUR union officials to do, considering they ARE NOT ON THE CITY''S PAYROLL!

8/21/2008 06:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Look who they hung out to dry on this...perhaps he's skating on thin ice (pun intended) with regard to the SOS scandal and expendable at this point?

"When you go on leave, you turn in your star and ID card," said Assistant Deputy Supt. Matthew Tobias, who runs the police academy and the firing range. "These people still had their stars and IDs -- and were assigned to a unit."

8/21/2008 04:46:00 AM

Why is tobias still employed? he was the head of sos when all the shit happened, but yet he remains opening his big mouth hey boss you have idiots advising you, but yet you let Grau go who at least had respect of most of us and knew how to treat us right. tobias needs to at least be demoted as he is already demented!

8/21/2008 06:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone else brought up a really great point about all of the officers that are deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are on a leave of absence just like the FOP members. Are they going to get stripped and fired for not qualifiying either?

Read the contract.

8/21/2008 06:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"When you go on leave, you turn in your star and ID card," said Assistant Deputy Supt. Matthew Tobias, who runs the police academy and the firing range. "These people still had their stars and IDs -- and were assigned to a unit."

8/21/2008 04:46:00 AM

SO DON'T FORGET TO DO THE SAME.BUT WHEN U GO ON LEAVE IT WILL BE FOREVER!

8/21/2008 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous NEIL BERGSTEIN said...

Im sure some of those alderpersons are good shots. In their gang days,
they had to shoot from moving cars at running objects.
Im sure SLIM(slime)even showed his
x-alderhag how to use a sawed-off!!

8/21/2008 07:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-Fed, I know you are smarting over the 93% no confidence vote, but I have a heart, I want to help you.

This is the what, 10th time Kirby has steered you into a REALLY embarrassing situation. Sir, she is either a complete moron OR an evil witch trying to train wreck your administration, or both!

FIRE HER!!!

8/21/2008 07:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow it was like they where never thier,Poor FOP I hope they will be ok.They like wet spot,and daley did leave them $20 by the bed again.

8/21/2008 07:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe nobody has mentioned the Hockey Team connection on this. Tobias and Dougherty are on the same team. The Chicago Police FOP Hockey Stars have 3 teams. Tobias and Dougherty skate on the same one.

I wish we could settle our contract like a good ole fashioned hockey fight. Donahue dropping the gloves with J-Fraud. I know the Fraud is in better shape but Donahue has a big height advantage.

8/21/2008 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For The Simpson's fans out there:

I envision Daley as Mr. Burns in the episode where Burns goes bat-sh!t crazy from being sick and cooped up in his manions watching video cameras. Burns is in fear, and takes his gun and threanted Mr. Smithers (J-Fed) to board a 1:10 moddel of an airplane, The Spruce Goose.

"I said, 'get in'."

8/21/2008 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Perhaps we should put cameras in the Ranges, so we can see who really DOES qualify, and who DOESN'T.
THAT, would be VERY interesting to numerous sources. Then we could see after that, who gets gigged for not passing, and who gets the free pass, and we could ask why they can't pass the range with their service handgun, but still are out on active duty. How about that? They [the City] Want the Truth? No, they can't handle the truth, just like the Jack Nicholson movie said.

8/21/2008 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They should have all the scores listed, no more pass/fail. How about making qualifications 3 times a year? The way police shootings go, cops need more practice.

8/21/2008 08:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This should be a classic example to make sure all sworn officers regardless of Unit or Detail should make sure they go and shoot on the company dime every year!

With everything on the computer now and time stamped, it is real easy to find out who does NOT shoot!

Then when the City believes the time is right to fuck you over, little issues like this all of a sudden turns into a fucking fest by the city and their narrowed minded bosses looking for an ax to grind!

While I'll agree that NOT to qualify at the range is at best a day off without pay.

For the City to jump the gun and strip and try to fire these Officers is way out of line and will NEVER hold up in court! The City knows this and that's why they blinked!

All in all folks, don't give the City and their idiot bosses are simple reason to fuck you over!

This is too simple to pass up and the FOP reps should be embarrassed!

We all qualify with our weapons every year and no excuses!

Just go and shoot the damn thing and make sure your on the clock when you do!

8/21/2008 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Part of all supervisors duties is to know and understand the FOP contract. It is a City ordinance and they are bound by it. Hey Matt Tobias, stop by FOP and they will give you a hardcopy. Call MLAS and they will send you their own copy. Or better still, have one of your flunkies teach you how to click on your computer screen to read it at your desk (the computer screen is that thing on your desk that looks like a television, but doesn't have a Tivo attached).

8/21/2008 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it should have stated "Matt Tobias, former head of the disbanded SOS unit"

8/21/2008 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I once heard that alder-fucks qualifiy through the County.

Sounds strange, but then again.....

8/21/2008 09:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aldercreatures are public "officers" as are the police. King Richie Shortshanks is a public "official". Public officers are allowed by city ordinance to carry firearms. One of the most infamous gun touting aldercreatures is Dorothy "the hat" Tilman. I guarantee that she never qualified with her .25 pocket rocket. I would like to see a list of which aldercreatures have firearms...and more importantly, which of them carry on a regular basis. It would make very interesting conversation.

8/21/2008 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way I like the comments from Tobias. ..Like he has room to talk.

8/21/2008 12:30:00 AM


you should not make any comments m.t. about people qualifying. you try to make these guys look stupid and it back fired. that's not cool at all you should take care of all p.o.'s. but they got the last laugh karma!

8/21/2008 02:53:00 AM


"When you go on leave, you turn in your star and ID card," said Assistant Deputy Supt. Matthew Tobias, who runs the police academy and the firing range. "These people still had their stars and IDs -- and were assigned to a unit."

8/21/2008 04:46:00 AM



Well, Well, Welll.... Mr. Holier than thou (I found religion now) is making decisions and it looks like it backfired. M.T. is ALL about M.T. Remember when you made a statement that you only have people around you that you can benefit from, well benefit this jagoff...

8/21/2008 10:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasn't it nice of the abritrator to make an immediate decision concening the FOP honchos.

How about working that quickly on the contract?

8/21/2008 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are numerous P.O.'s that are late qualifying at range. Never went to stripping of police powers. Do exempts really qualify or are given special treatment? This was a direct attack on FOP. Alderman are very special persons. Give them a firearm and never practice or qualify. Imagine if one of them had to use a firearm? Maybe Mell passed a special law to protect aldermen. Never have to practice or qualify. FRank Main should ask Mell if he ever attends a range to practice or qualify?

8/21/2008 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet the aldercreatures' targets will reveal new bullets: .38 caliber and 9mm holes courtesy of Papermate pens.

8/21/2008 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know this is work!

Get the date the aldercreature is claimed to have qualified.

Get the sign in sheet from the range that day.

Check the names of other signed in shooters.

Interview all shooters to see if they can verify a civilian dressed shooter or aldercreature.

Were they even in town on that date and time? Where does their calendar report their presence?

If not...

Isn't that an example of false official documentation?

Too bad the media is reducing their staff labor because of costs.
There aren't any good investigative
reporters left, if any.

I guess kissing the mayor's ass is the new function of the "news" in Chicago.

8/21/2008 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CANT HAVE THE OLYMPICS WITH ON GOING LABOR DISPUTES.

8/21/2008 10:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Whoever is advising J-Fed"? Wouldn't that be our own princess, Deb Kirby? Pathetic. Again.

8/21/2008 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Matt T Just think he is still around. That shows you what kind of dept we have here. The fat clout and currupted. Now he is all 3.LoL Who gives a DAMN. Wheres the FOP Wheres the Media? Theres no outrage. This city is just a F'in Joke. Do nothing boys and girls and just collect your paycheck.

8/21/2008 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tobias is not going anywhere, he is a Daley favorite for some reason.

8/21/2008 12:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, if they start digging around, they might find out how many Armed Unit Secretaries and their Bosses don't qualify on a regular basis. I hope this has put a scare into the Range people to NOT go out on a limb and falsify a qualification for anyone, regardless of who they are.

8/21/2008 12:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY SCC, HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE STEALING COMMENTS AND STORIES. KASS IS AT IT AGAIN CALLING DALEY "SHORTSHANKS" IN AN ARTICLE RELATING TO OBAMA AND THE RICHARD J. DALEY LIBRARY AND DOESN'T EVEN PUT IT IN QUOTES!!!

8/21/2008 01:08:00 PM  
Blogger chicago guy said...

If they didn't pass, couldn't they just write another "private law" like they did for Mel? Or is this a state, not city thing?

8/21/2008 03:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the answer to who's wrong in this lies in the past. How has this been handled each of the years that these officers have been with the F.O.P? If they haven't had to qualify in the past then I feel they are right in taking this stand. If however they've qualified in the past and are making a scene and taking a stand now then I think the city may be justified.
I question why Mark Donahue wasn't stripped. Did he actually qualify this year? If he did qualify then I blame his underlings for not doing so.
At face value as it appeared on your site it certainly appeared that the city screwed up. They well may have but I think it goes a little deeper than as it first appeared.
If the arbitrator rules that the city acted wrongly it will be just another example of the incompetence that J-Fed has surrounded himself with.

8/21/2008 03:47:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

HEY SCC, HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE STEALING COMMENTS AND STORIES. KASS IS AT IT AGAIN CALLING DALEY "SHORTSHANKS" IN AN ARTICLE RELATING TO OBAMA AND THE RICHARD J. DALEY LIBRARY AND DOESN'T EVEN PUT IT IN QUOTES!!!

Kass started it actually. We liked it so much we helped popularize it.

8/21/2008 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only confidence vote for J-Fed that counts is the Mayor's. How many automatic warnings did the department send the union that the these officer's were not qualified? Were these officers carrying their weapons? We all know we must qualify annually. These officers are not ppo's. These officers should be punished by the department and the union. If these officers can't be competent police officers how can they be competent union officers. I have no confidence in them. These officers' incompetence is bluring the big picture, a good contract.

8/21/2008 05:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Perhaps we should put cameras in the Ranges, so we can see who really DOES qualify, and who DOESN'T.
THAT, would be VERY interesting to numerous sources. Then we could see after that, who gets gigged for not passing, and who gets the free pass, and we could ask why they can't pass the range with their service handgun, but still are out on active duty. How about that? They [the City] Want the Truth? No, they can't handle the truth, just like the Jack Nicholson movie said.

8/21/2008 08:25:00 AM

How about a camera up your ass so we can look at all the shit you talk asshole?

8/21/2008 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you dumbfucks that don't like or want the current FOP officers I challenge you to do one thing. Listen up and I will put it to you in 5th grade terms..........VOTE at the next FOP election, I would be very surprised that half and I'm being generous here of all the numbnuts who rant against the FOP even VOTED. So SHUT Up and VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah get you're lazy ass up and go to the FOP building on Washington street in Chicago, walk in and show your ID and take 10 seconds to put down your on a mark on a piece of paper. jeeez!

8/21/2008 05:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Perhaps we should put cameras in the Ranges, so we can see who really DOES qualify, and who DOESN'T.
THAT, would be VERY interesting to numerous sources. Then we could see after that, who gets gigged for not passing, and who gets the free pass, and we could ask why they can't pass the range with their service handgun, but still are out on active duty. How about that? They [the City] Want the Truth? No, they can't handle the truth, just like the Jack Nicholson movie said.

How about a camera up your ass so we can look at all the shit you talk asshole?

Yeah Pin-Head, and how about a camera up your ass, so we can watch your brain in action while I'm playing Rope-A-Dope on your Fuckin SHIT Head.?

8/21/2008 06:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I voted for LUMPY!!!

8/21/2008 06:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOU BETTER BE NICE MATT TOBIAS HE IS THE MAYOR'S BEST FRIEND AND HE WILL GET WHATEVER HE WANTS. SEE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH HIS NEW RULES MANY PEOPLE WILL NOT PASS AND HAVE TO PAY THE RANGE OUT OF POCKET TO GET MORE PRACTICE TO PASS.

8/21/2008 06:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:08 PM

You are a fool. John Kass used "Shortshanks" before it ever appeared on this blog site.

While I'm at it and having two friends that are wonderful adult little people of integrity and character (an obnoxious poster may call them "midgets"), such moron posters lose any credibility to what may otherwise be cogent criticism. Daley probably stands about 5'5" and Cline weighed well over 300 lbs. So what. If they're assholes, go for it. Just leave their size out of it.

If you're attempting to persuade others, do not attack the immutable physical characteristics of an individual. Attack them for their lack of character, criminality, lack of ethics and leadership, etc.

"Longshanks" was a tall medieval king of England. Mr. Kass merely coined "Shortshanks" as a neutral way to describe "King" Daley's short stature.

No. I stand 6 feet tall and weigh just under 200 lbs.

By the way, another great column by Kass in today's Trib.

8/21/2008 07:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>>>>Remember, the City of Chicago does NOT pay the salary of these officers, WE dues paying FOP members pay their salary. WE pay 100% of the salary. So why then does the Department get to order them to do anything?<<<

OK, Question, if a union official gets involved in a shooting, does the slimeball lawyer sue the City/Department/Officer, or Union/Membership/Official.

Is the FOP going to be on the hook because this guy couldn't/wouldn't/didn't qualify like the rest of us.

If you are going to carry a gun, stop your bitching, don't waste our dues, get your ass to the range and show you can use it.

8/21/2008 07:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

walk in and show your ID and take 10 seconds to put down your on a mark on a piece of paper. jeeez!

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hell, you don't even have to do that! they MAIL your ballot to you at your HOME. and include a RETURN ENVELOPE WITH POSTAGE PAID. so all you have to do is open the mail, mark the ballot, put it in the return envelope, seal it, and put it in the mailbox.

8/21/2008 07:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous said...
you dumbfucks that don't like or want the current FOP officers I challenge you to do one thing. Listen up and I will put it to you in 5th grade terms..........VOTE at the next FOP election, I would be very surprised that half and I'm being generous here of all the numbnuts who rant against the FOP even VOTED. So SHUT Up and VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah get you're lazy ass up and go to the FOP building on Washington street in Chicago, walk in and show your ID and take 10 seconds to put down your on a mark on a piece of paper. jeeez!

8/21/2008 05:57:00 PM
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IT ISN'T EVEN THAT HARD, JUST MARK THE BALLOT NEXT TIME NAD PUT IT IN THE STAMPED AND ADDRESSED ENVELOPE AND GO TO WORK AND DROP IT IN THE MAILBOX WHILE AT WORK!

HOW HARD IS THAT? YET THOUSANDS STILL HAVE THEIR BALLOTS FROM THIS SPRING'S FOP ELECTION. SHAMEFUL.

8/21/2008 07:19:00 PM  
Anonymous braveheart said...

For "Braveheart" movie buffs, King Edward I ("Longshanks") stood 6-3 and ordered the execution of William Wallace (Mel Gibson).

When describing "KINGS", it wasn't a stretch (pun intended) for Kass to nickname "King" Daley "Shortshanks".

8/21/2008 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tobias needs to shut the F up and lay low. He's worried about guys on leave and he let all kinds of crimes and rule violations happen on his watch with his tacit approval.

8/21/2008 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would these FOP "leaders" waste our money on this? Don't forget it's our money now being wasted defending these dumb, useless actions. What are they gaining by REFUSING, yes they refused, to qualify? They didn't forget, they refused. What's to gain? Another thing, if that was one of us would they defend us? Absolutely not. You would have been told "you screwed up, you should've qualified. Take the day". Not them though. So why is everyone suddenly jumping on the bandwagon of these idiots? Do you think it might be because they saw how fed up we were all getting with them? Maybe they needed something to rally the troups with? I think so. This was a complete waste of our money. There are a lot of other causes they could have stood up for. I still think they're idiots and this was a waste of time, effort and money.

8/21/2008 09:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tobias was never the police,Just ask Jerry.Tobias has two awards on his chest,and no room to talk about anything on how to be the real police.

8/21/2008 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOU SAY:
I can't believe nobody has mentioned the Hockey Team connection on this. Tobias and Dougherty are on the same team. The Chicago Police FOP Hockey Stars have 3 teams. Tobias and Dougherty skate on the same one.

I SAY:
WTF are you actually trying to say??!? Is this all staged? Is Dougherty's defiance fake? Is Tobias' outrage contrived? Well, what is it? It seems to me that these two guys are really at odds.

8/21/2008 09:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the answer to who's wrong in this lies in the past. How has this been handled each of the years that these officers have been with the F.O.P? If they haven't had to qualify in the past then I feel they are right in taking this stand. If however they've qualified in the past and are making a scene and taking a stand now then I think the city may be justified.
I question why Mark Donahue wasn't stripped. Did he actually qualify this year? If he did qualify then I blame his underlings for not doing so.
At face value as it appeared on your site it certainly appeared that the city screwed up. They well may have but I think it goes a little deeper than as it first appeared.
If the arbitrator rules that the city acted wrongly it will be just another example of the incompetence that J-Fed has surrounded himself with.

8/21/2008 03:47:00 PM

Allow me to answer. Nolan and his crew were in office for nine years. They were never made to qualify. Donahue and DiMaria were NOT stripped because they did qualify this year. One thing you are right about is the incompetence around F-Fed. This ignorance reeks of Kirby.

8/21/2008 09:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, Well, Welll.... Mr. Holier than thou (I found religion now) is making decisions and it looks like it backfired. M.T. is ALL about M.T. Remember when you made a statement that you only have people around you that you can benefit from, well benefit this jagoff...
8/21/2008 10:01:00 AM
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Tobias needs to shut the F up and lay low. He's worried about guys on leave and he let all kinds of crimes and rule violations happen on his watch with his tacit approval.
8/21/2008 07:52:00 PM
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Kind of like the civilian "Admin. Mgr. he has benefitted from,
A. C-H, who is a ghost payroller.

Does that woman ever come to work and work entire shift? NO

Does she put in slips for the days she is not there? NO

Does she use medical time when she is "sick"? NO

But M.T.'s office and timekeeper are sure covering for her.

Someone in the media needs to look at her ghostpayrolling, there isn't a week that goes by that she is not at work for at least 2 of the 5 days (sometimes she is gone for the entire week!) No time taken off the books for her, she is covered on the books.
GHOSTPAYROLLING

8/21/2008 10:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't rip on John Kass. He seems to be the only media type that is fair with the police. Not to mention that he has kept writing about Mike Mette and the injustice he is enduring. JOHN KASS FOR MAYOR!!!!!!!!!!

8/21/2008 11:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It doesn't matter that these guys didn't go qualify. You can hardly call shooting 30 rounds a year being proficient with your gun. What matters, and we should all be painfully aware of this, is that the city went after them regardless of the contract, regardless of protocol, even regardless of past practice. They are looking for any reason to weaken us. They thought they had killed four birds with one stone, but what they really did was show their cards.Do not trust the brass.

8/21/2008 11:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lots of members like to see the city have their face rubbed in shit , and maybe I have to admit I do too. But when I really think it over, I realize the stand they are making is so much bullshit. If this is such a good fight, why isn't Donahue and Dimaria in the mix too?

Being made to qualify with a service weapon is not interference with union issues. Qualifying is a requirement under Illinois law to be a peace officer, and as most of us know, it's no big deal. I heard Bella say he doesn't carry a gun anyway. OK, maybe he doesn't, but that's still no excuse.

This fight is costing OUR union money. Even if it's not much, there is an arbitrator involved and the in house counsel is spending time on it. Those things aren't free. This is a complete and utter waste of time and money.

Save the energy money and resources on something that makes sense and go shoot the stupid fucking gun.

8/21/2008 11:11:00 PM  
Anonymous WAYNE said...

THANKS CHESTER HORNYAWSKI TRUSTREE FOR FOP FOR TAKING CARE OF MATT T. YOU DID A GREAT JOB THANKS AND GOD BLESS!

8/22/2008 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the FOP argues that they are on leave.
Put them on leave! Take their I.D. cards, not allowed to carry gun. Stop there seniority increasing, medical benefits and pension contributions! They make enough at commanders pay that is paid for by us to pay it themselves. CITY CAN SAVE $500,000.00 ON THIS BUNCH BY DROPPING THEM INTO "LEAVE OF ABSENCE STATUS"!!!
Hey city they want to be exempt from the dept rules and regs, NO PROB. You are now ALL on leave of absence to serve the FOP and Union membership! City, cut them off!

Otherwise if the FOP wants to double dip then that's on them, but I can tell you from discussions at my roll call that the men and woman of my district have NO RESPECT for these 4 who can't do what we all do simply QUALIFY!!!!

You can't have it both ways FOP!!!

8/22/2008 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really hope the FOP guys end up OK but I have to say, why the effort in this pissing when street coppers are begging to hear anything from Mark and crew???? Not siding with the department at all but I just think this was not well thought out at all on the part of FOP..Just go shoot for God's sake....Hey, and how about showing up to some roll calls in an off election year?????

8/22/2008 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I'm at it and having two friends that are wonderful adult little people of integrity and character (an obnoxious poster may call them "midgets"), such moron posters lose any credibility to what may otherwise be cogent criticism. Daley probably stands about 5'5" and Cline weighed well over 300 lbs. So what. If they're assholes, go for it. Just leave their size out of it.
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Yea, what he said....

8/22/2008 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JOHN KASS ROCKS

8/22/2008 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If these guys are earning pension credit and carrying the Dept credentials AND have the oppurtunity to return immediately to the employ of the Dept., They must qualify

Tobias is right

8/22/2008 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Tobias is not going anywhere, he is a Daley favorite for some reason.

8/21/2008 12:46:00 PM


His wife is the Mayors cousin (not ghetto play-cousin btw).

8/22/2008 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did Burke,Huberman,and E.Acevedo have to qualify?Their all CPD on LOA.

8/22/2008 08:09:00 AM  
Blogger Elm Creek Smith said...

I don't understand people not qualifying when required, and all police officers should qualify at least twice a year. (My preference would be quarterly on a combat course.)

That said, it sounds like the chef was setting them up as part of "hizzoner's" ruining of the City of Chicago.

You guys have my sympathy.

ECS

8/22/2008 12:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Tobias is not going anywhere, he is a Daley favorite for some reason.

8/21/2008 12:46:00 PM


His wife is the Mayors cousin (not ghetto play-cousin btw).

8/22/2008 12:59:00 AM

His wife is hispanic you dumbfuck... last I checked, Daley and his family were irish

8/22/2008 01:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When these guys run for re-election they should go under the title...THE RUBBER GUN SQUAD

8/22/2008 05:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah get you're lazy ass up and go to the FOP building on Washington street in Chicago, walk in and show your ID and take 10 seconds to put down your on a mark on a piece of paper. jeeez!



have somebody else besides loser jans run and ill vote for new fop

8/22/2008 11:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Tobias is not going anywhere, he is a Daley favorite for some reason.

8/21/2008 12:46:00 PM


His wife is the Mayors cousin (not ghetto play-cousin btw).

8/22/2008 12:59:00 AM

His wife is hispanic you dumbfuck... last I checked, Daley and his family were irish

8/22/2008 01:05:00 PM

Are you for real? I am not hispanic and I have hispanic cousins. I think you're the dumbfuck sir.

8/23/2008 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they are assigned to a police unit, have their stars and IDs and carry a firearm, they are required to qualify every year. If they are on a leave from the department and do not carry a firearm, they should not have to qualify.

8/24/2008 02:33:00 PM  

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