Double Standard
- A Chicago police detective who was beaten while off-duty on Chicago's North Side over a week ago is reacting to the news that the man accused of beating him will not face a more serious charge.
Detective Steven Amato says he announced that he was a police officer during the beating. The beating took place after the man allegedly ran into the detective's personal car.
Detective Amato and others believe the charges should be more serious because the attack was against a police officer. The police officer's alleged attacker, 27-year-old John Jasa,s remains free after attending court last week, where a judge refused to charge him with attacking a police officer. That follows a decision by the state's attorney's office to file what is "perceived" as a lesser felony because, they say, Detective Amato was off duty. The veteran cop counters, saying a Chicago police officer is "always" on duty.
But if an off-duty cop is beaten at the scene of a minor traffic accident, announces his office prior to and during the attack, suffers numerous bruises to his face, arms and torso, misses work because of his injuries, well that's just too damn bad. Cook County ASA's will go for the lower charge and to add insult to injury, call the case a week before the victim's assigned court date and not even tell him. And these are supposed to be the people on our side.
UPDATE: Is this why the State is low-balling the charges?
- And Jasas is the brother of one of the guys involved in the leonard Clark beating back in 1997 http://www.cnn.com/US/9810/19/racial.beating/
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
126 Comments:
Looks like its tie to close the ranks!!!!!!! How much shit are we going to take???? It's about time officers become involved, your head State's Attorney is an elected official, make sure they know that we don't appreciate the double standard. Also, teh head of felony review has a phone 869-3020, let him know how pissed we are
One can only hope that some day down the line they get what they have coming. Treating us, people that are out there trying to help the community, like shit is just beyond belief. What is going on with this world. It sometimes makes me feeling like giving up. Like it's not worth being a good person. You can't win.
Where's Weis? Time to show some balls.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, FUCK THE ASA's. I would love to catch one of you drunk and driving, my paperwork would be done to the T and as soon as it's approved, I'm calling every news channel and news paper to let them know.
That court branch is a fucking joke. The ASAs are nothing but short of worthless. They couldn't try a case out of a frickin wet paper bag. Time and time again they proved themselves to be a joke cases in point:1.they give the runaround to that Marine that was going to be deployed and got his car keyed by that whack lawyer
2.The handling of of the case involving that Cicero commander. That if it weren't for the defense attorney motion the arresting P.O. would probably be answering to a beef.
3. Now this. They believe the offender more than they do an officer. Thank God the detective did't knock the guy out trying to defend himself. He would probably be charged with armed violence.
Belmont/western is a joke of a court house with premadonna Diboner and the other judge who needs to retire O'malley(?)
If you pull over an ASA or State's Attorney employee, write them. No breaks. They screw us over at every opportunity. Time to give it back.
REMEMBER THE A-S-A IS NOT YOUR FRIEND !!
Act accordingly and do your job on all contacts with the OFF-DUTY A-S-A'S . CITATIONS-ARREST-ANOV-ANY FORM OF ENFORCEMENT !!!
They are not on our side !!! They only care about their stats like our exempts' only care about the index.
Remember when we call for a felony up-grade we are treated like shit ie; we are offenders and the arrestee is the victim in their eye's.
So act accordingly they want to play games. We can play games tooooo !!!!!!!
He's got a valid point. Now , if a judge ruled that because he was off duty - the lesser charge is applied - is that now setting a legal precedent , and any P.O. previously charged with any wrong doing while off duty and given a higher charge or sentance because of his job - can now appeal ? hmmm looks like the ASA's done fucked up...again !
How about the media do a report about how the ASA just go for the easy wins ... forget about the victim , they just want easy legal victories so they go for the lesser charges.
Thank you. Finally an admission by the State that they have no respect for our office. And this sends the message that the public need not have any respect for the police, either.
Guess what STATE....Freak you and the judge....throw the case out! Who cares! Thanks for the 3 hrs prick... ha ha ha...we are alone...fellow brothers and sisters...look out for each other and nothing else....cant wait to go to court tomorrow and tell the ASA I forgot all the facts of the case...HA HA
OMG! WTF! KMA! ASA can LMB! Lick My Balls!
And this surprises you how? Look at the accident that killed Officer T. Harte a while ago. The kid that hit and killed Tim was drunk off his ass, blew WELL OVER A .08! And what happened to the Offender in this case? D.U.I, that’s it! No “Reckless Homicide”, nothing! Not even our favorite; the good old “Federal Indictment” for Civil Rights violations. Cozzi, Mette, Amato, and the list goes on, and on, and on!
I realize the Public and the Department wants to hold us to a higher standard, but this shit is getting out of hand!
Speaking of double standards, I got an email today that Mike Mette might get paroled before the Appeals Court rules. Of course, he wants to be cleared, but whatever gets him out of prison the quickest for now.
The situation is that the police are held to a higher standard than the shit heads
In this case even though the officer was still an officer he wasnt acting in his official duties, examining his car after the fender bender
BUT when an officer is involved in conduct which is unbecoming even off duty he is then held to a higher standard
So Jasas isnt expected to conform to the higher standard since he is a shithead. Amato is expected to adhere to the higher standar since he is the police
So yess SCC your observations are correct, the police are held to a different standard
Fuck the Crook County State's Attorney!Buncha lazy,incompetent, corrupt jagoffs.They love to hand out supervised probation to child sex offenders.Commit serious crime in Cook County,your chances of being held accountable and punished are almost zero.Only if you are the police,they will hammer you.
They just keep pounding the message into us from all angles over and over, "don't do anything cause we will not back you no matter what!" It seems that we are only the police when they decide we are depending on the situation. If it's to screw us we suddenly are the police and should know better. If it's to defend ourselves or take some kind of action then we're not the police just the average joe.
Why bust our ass anymore? It's just not worth it. We now have to look over our shoulder constantly, the dept. leadership won't back us, the city won't back us or give us a decent contract, the public is fooled by the media and the politicians just keep padding their wallets while destroying what was once a great job! What is the point to take anything into the Cook County court system anymore. The Cook County Courts are a deterent to police work!
this city is so f-----, the states atty are nothing but a bunch of ass----, all they care about is if they can win or not.
And Jasas is the brother of one of the guys involved in the leonard Clark beating back in 1997
http://www.cnn.com/US/9810/19/racial.beating/
YET, the argument against the duty availability is WHAT?! that we get overtime at the END of our tour? YET! when confronted with evil OFF DUTY, we are NOT even acknowledged?!
YET HUBERMAN gets pension points for POSTURING AS A BLUE SHIRT FOR WHAT? 5-6 YEARS?!
Im sure if the victim was a judge, politician, or states attourney the charge will easily be the harshest available as will the sentence.
Like the juvenile who "allegedly" robbed a north alderman/restrunt owner. offender who was sentenced to St charles on a first time offense.
Yes police are held to a higher level...
but so are judges and states attourneys remember that come Christmas party time.
That is so fucked up! That's why when someone attacks an officer and you can use lethal force you should make sure the MFer is dead.. or he'll walk in a few years.. because the law dosen't apply to criminals.
HOLY Corruption Batman!!!
The State's Office is another political whore house that needs to be flushed out. I am concerned that our current economic situation certainly requires drastic changes in our government and do way our two party system does business. I believe that a cleansing is near and we must prepare to step up to correct these evil forces that have tainted America.
Major reform is on the horizon. Perhaps total chaos in the streets as the Greatest crash in our markets, loss of jobs, your pensions and political unrest. I sure hate to be any politician now or their whore. Without the proper amount of police support who's going to protect them while we response to 911 calls 99?
Why aren't the African-American so called leaders (including Meeks, Jackson,Sharpton)holding press conferences condemning the shooting death of P.O. Taylor who gave up his life stopping the drug trafficing.
What is the name of this shit head supporting judge?
You just said it all S.C.C., WE are on OUR side. There is no one else.
WELL IF THAT DOESNT TELL YOU WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING IN TERMS OF POLICE WORK I DONT KNOW WHAT WILL. FUCK MAKING ANY ARRESTS AND FUCK THE STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE! NO FELONY ARRESTS. SEE HOW THEY LIKE GETTING FUCKED.
Well it comes at no surprise that the city will not back its own police officers, that before things get better they will get worst... We as police officers need to make a stand against now!! how much farther will it go? We need to unite so our voices will be heard.
This was a motion to fix. Old time court trick. Who is the offender's clout? Now we are actually off duty? Anyone can be a judge today.
Aggghhh...I just want to scream when I read something like this. Stay safe. A wife.
Cops should be held to a higher standard when it comes to criminal activity. The position of authority and public trust means the public has a right to demand more from officers.
So if a cop hits someone off-duty, upgraded felony charges are justified because police are held to a higher standard and must therefore be superhuman in their restraint and conduct, even if the victim has no visible injuries and doesn't even go to the hospital.
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And the guy who attacked the victim, afterward he threatened the victim and witnesses with... what?
Maybe the guy works at Walgreens and threatened to have the victim charged retail price for generic drugs.
If you're going to bring up Abbate, bring up everything about Abbate, especially the intimidation of the victim and the witnesses.
Remember this case when you get into trouble off duty or you do not act as a PO when you are off duty and they try to punish you because you are a PO. This case is setting a precedence. Glad to see the officer go public about the double standard we have!
It's time to march on City Hall. This directly affects our safety and will get more of us killed.
From today's Suntimes: "The 3,000 vacancies to be eliminated include: 329 sworn Chicago Police officers; 424 non-sworn police employees; 12 sworn firefighters, and 10 non-sworn fire employees."
So these open positions due to retirement means that 329 officers will NEVER be hired. That is what eliminating vacancies means. God help us all. Be safe out there.
That's why we should DE-POLICE!
Don't want to help us! Well, we will take care of our own and fuck the world!
I can't wait to see an A.S.A get the ass kicked somewhere and then all I'm gonna do is just drop a case report for Battery simple with no follow-up!
I have ran up against exactly this in off duty incidents. they have convinced me that the extent of what I do off duty is to call the police.
Several things that happened recently also have convinced me that my on duty involvement will be severely curtailed from now on also. Three times in the past year I have had offenders push, hit, or fight with me and all I got was misdemeanor battery charges.
I was on duty in full uniform. Misdemeanor simple battery. I hope assistant states attorney's realize when they get ticketed or arrested that their states attorney ID doesn't carry any weight with me when they are off duty, drunk and blowing red lights etc.
Anyone who thinks ASA's are on our side is nuts. You are on your own out there. Be safe.
triple standard
Wow, what total and utter bullshit!!!
I am not taking a beating from anyone......
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!!!!
THAT'S WHY THIS CITY ANY MANY LIKE IT ARE GOING TO SHIT. KEEP IT UP YOU FUCKIN SORRY ASS LIBERAL ASA'S AND JUDGES, WAIT TILL YOU ASSHOLES BECOME VICTIMS... A RAPIST CAN GET 4 YEARS IN PRISON BUT A P.O. PUNCHING SOMEONE ON THE FACE IN SELF-DEFENSE GETS 5.
SHITCAGO IS GOING DOWN ALONG WITH THE ECONOMIC CRISIS. MAYBE WHAT WE NEED IS ANOTHER GREAT CHICAGO FIRE TO TURN THIS CITY INTO ASHES.
Again, when is our union going to organize a march on city hall?
Heard the ASA didn't want to go with agg batt po b/c they said the det. didn't have handcuffs with him at the time. They had to get an override by the street dep that morning.
.....and they reopen the D.U.I. case against an off duty P.O. that was thrown out by a judge...where he was not the at fault vehicle in the accident and the at fault driver was over the limit. wtf...only because he is the police are they going after him again...this isnt double Jeopardy??? i guess because he wasnt tried on the case at first???
29 and a day said...
The situation is that the police are held to a higher standard than the shit heads
In this case even though the officer was still an officer he wasnt acting in his official duties, examining his car after the fender bender
BUT when an officer is involved in conduct which is unbecoming even off duty he is then held to a higher standard
So Jasas isnt expected to conform to the higher standard since he is a shithead. Amato is expected to adhere to the higher standar since he is the police
So yess SCC your observations are correct, the police are held to a different standard
9/30/2008 12:58:00 AM
Actually the detective identified himself when Jasas attempted to drive away after the accident. Jasas stated, "I don't give a fuck" and struck the detective. The detective again identified himself as he attempted to take Jasas into custody for committing a battery (against him) and Jasas continued to strike the detective and state that he didn't give a fuck. With the detective disabled, Jasas fled the scene and was taken into custody, covered in the detective's blood, several miles away by his Bridgeport home. If you identify yourself and attempt to arrest an offender, you are taking police action. If he uses force against you, it is aggravated battery. So fuck you 29 and a day. It's been my experience that people who brag about seniority have nothing else to brag about. Congratulations . . . you did nothing for 30 years and didn't get fired. What an accomplishment. One year on the job...29 times over.
And buy an apostrophe key for your 128k Macintosh.
SCC, don't make this into a racial issue. We have enough of that! Now you want to get in on the act also. The ASA not approving charges for off duty PO's is nothing new. You should know better. The best thing to do if we see anything on view when off duty is to dial 911!
Jasas was arrested in '97 for driving up on 2 009 officers that were conducting a traffic stop and firing a starter pistol at them. He then fled the scene and was taken into custody at another location. In the fine "fuck it" tradition of the CPD, he was only charged with a city disorderly. His only arrest between '97 & '08 is for pushing a State Police Officer and fleeing a traffic stop. He don't like the police.
how about this one:
an offender boards a cta bus and grabs a bus drivers breast. no injury or complaint of pain.
guess what asshole was charged with?
AGG BATT OF PROTECTED EMPLOYEE
FELONY APPROVED
Off duty changes status of law...
cheers boys & girls when you're off you're off.
consumption of alcohol on "your off time" is different.
IF U WANT FELONY CHARGE PISTOL WHIPPING THE OFFENDER HELPS UR CASE.
IT SHOWS U WERE IN FEAR
IT SHOWS U WERE TAKING POLICE ACTION
IT SHOWS THAT U MORE THAN LIKELY IDENTIFIED UR SELF AS THE POLICE
IT SHOWS THAT THE OFFENDER IS CRAZY FIGHTING A PERSON WITH A GUN.
PLUS ONCE U LUMP SOMEONE UP OFF DUTY
U R GOING TO HAVE DICK HANDLE THE CASE NOT SOME CHICKEN SHIT WATCH COMMANDER.
THE STATE WILL B ALL OVER IT THEN!!!
I just read that the Shields brothers are organizing a March on City Hall in another thread. Danny is going to go right to the Mayor's door to help us and his brother Mike is going to take Ron Huberman out.
Chicago Come Out and Support Your Police
Upcoming March on City Hall
The date is set for Wednesday, October 8,2008 at 1000hrs.
Be there rain or shine if you care about your/our safety, contract, rights, family and the City of Chicago. Please bring relatives, friends,coworkers,retirees and anyone who cares about the quality of life in the City of Chicago. Three murdered Chicago Police Officers in two months is too much to bear.
Design your own signs and keep them courteous and respectful.
The reason for selecting this date is simple:
The next meeting of the Chicago City Council is scheduled for Wednesday October 8,2008 at 10:00a.m.
The NYPD has had great success in the past demonstrating at One Police Plaza and at New York City Hall.
Please conduct yourselves in a respectful and courteous manner.
Together We Can!!!
Someone ought to talk to the 16th district cops who arrested an ASA about a year back for DUI. She sideswiped 4 parked cars on Addison. The cars were parked eastbound but the ASA was driving westbound. Lucky she didn't kill anyone. The cops did her a favor and didn't mention in reports that she was not clothed from the waist down and had no recall as to where her clothes were
With the Jefferson Tap "incident" were these officers off duty? HMMMMMMM.......yet again, a double standard. Held to a higher standard due to your place of employment....sound like employment racism. Where's my Rev??!?!?
March to support our police and start to reclaim this city is Wed. Oct. 8th at 10AM in front of Shitty Hall.
(Same time as the next Shitty Council meeting.)
Jesus Steve...fight back.
hey anonymous when was the last time you called that number..its a receptionist for felony review..lol
I'm a Detective. God help you bitches working in the ASA's office when I have to make the case for or against you or one of yours.
I will fight for an override and if you pull a fast one in branch court I will make sure all the facts are made public by any means possible. (whine, bitch, cry, scream, media, blog, etc.)
It's about time your incompetence is put in check.
YET HUBERMAN gets pension points for POSTURING AS A BLUE SHIRT FOR WHAT? 5-6 YEARS?!
9/30/2008 02:14:00 AM
Without laying it all out for the non-CPD on our blog, the bigger news is, he apparently plans on returning to the CPD someday and could that someday be sooner than you might think? R-HUBE might be coming soon to a HQ near you.
Hey J-FED, you might be wise to get some X-ROX boxes at the ready.
I hope your exit is soon, very soon. Don't let the door hit you in the backside! Good riddance to one incompetent million dollar
whore.
I'll take R-HUBE, like him or not, whether you think he is truly one of us or not, at least he worked a beat car for a few minutes and has the right to wear our uniform.
SUE HIM.
Rumor has that the ASA's office is as crooked as it gets. Can anyone comment on this in more detail?
With the election coming up I want to have a more formed opinion for my vote.
Since a lot of POs don't care about the taxpayers that they are supposed to serve and protect, don't expect much sympathy from civilians.
A Police Officer can be held to somewhat higher Standards by Department Orders,if in a correct Legal parameter, depending on the Department the Officer works for, however, when a Police Officer is the VICTIM of a Crime, he is entitled to the SAME rights guaranteed to any other citizen, under the U.S. Constitution. What the States Attorneys Office did to the Detective is a violation of his due process and his Constitutional Rights. I'd advise the Detective to seek Competent Legal Advise A.S.A.P. and have him file the appropriate Complaints against the involved parties.
Our so-called Union will Never Organize a March on City Hall, because they are a branch of City Hall, don't you get it? The March has to be done via word of mouth between P.O's, friends, and families. I'm more confident that SCC would pull us together for this than our FOP would.
SCC, it's own thread please.
08 October 2008 1000 - BE THERE.
We need to bang the drums - make flyers, hang em in the locker rooms.
This is the time. This is OUR time!! The truth needs to be known - we need to (respectfully) put the fear of G*D in Daley and his band of merry men. I for 1 intend to be there to watch the stuttering prick in person, infuriated that we lowly police officers DARE to question him.
He will stutter, stammer & spit. His face will redden and the sweat will bead on his greasy forehead.
His Kingdom is imploding in on him, he hears the footsteps behind him, he has to hear them in his sleep.
We aren't activists - we are police officers. But our mere presence will start the ball rolling.
SCC has been a tremendous help in allowing us a place to vent. Let it now be the platform used to catapult us all into action.
Francis & Taylors' lives (and the hereos before them) must NOT be in vain. We need manpower, cars, equipment & a contract, and well a real superintendant would be nice since we're creating a wish list.
We need to swing the pendulum back to garner the support of the public who often rely solely on the 10 o'clock news for information. Many haven't any idea of the plight of the Chicago Police Department, only the drivel fed to them by the biased media.
A few have tarnished the star, yet the mast majority of us have been left behind to pay for their sins. Tell EVERYONE. Post this on every City blog. OEMC I'm sure would get on board with this as well.
We need a LARGE showing. Anything less and we are left to look fools.
Just remember A.S.A's are flunky lawyers who couldnt make in the public sector as a lawyer. Lawyers are a dime a dozen and A.S.A's are even worse because they are political hacks!!!
quit beating on the asa's. a lot of them are very pro police and come from police families and back us a 100 percent. and no, i am a cop, not an asa. beat on the one's who deserve it.
Again, when is our union going to organize a march on city hall?
Yea right....if daley stopped dead in his tracks donahues head would go half way up his ass.
Once upon a time I was called to testify at a death sentencing hearing. My testimony was about my arrest of the dude 10 years before the murder that brought about the hearing. You know, to establish that dude was a criminal from day one.
The ASA's handed me the file on my pinch, told me to review it, and that I was first up. Wow, I had the claim of pinching dude for his first adult arrest.
I reviewed the file and couldn't remember any thing about the case.
I told the ASA's that on the stand I would ask to look at the report to refresh my memory. The two ASA's shit all over their selves and told me they wouldn't do that. When I asked why, they said that it wouldn't look good to the court. I protested and they blew me off.
I'm on the stand, testified, and it was now the defenses turn.
On cross, the defense attorney showed me the case report, asked me to read it, and voilà, I had gotten some facts wrong. It turns out that dude's case was similar to another more recent case I had made a pinch on.
On re-direct the ASA asked if I had confused the facts of the two cases, and if I had reviewed the report of dude's case. Then came a gift from the ASA. She asked me why hadn't I asked to refresh my memory by asking [on the stand] to review the case report. I guess she was hoping I would say that once in prep. was enough. Instead, I told the court that, "you told me it wouldn't look good to the court if you [I] ask to review the report.
I looked at the judge, who was laughing, along with dude's attorney. The judge told the ASA, that I was excused unless she had anything else to ask me. She didn't.
The second chair got up and came out with me and asked why I said that. I told her because that was what happened. which she knew because she was present when it occurred. I further told her, that if their whole case for the death penalty was based on his first adult arrest, then their case was shit to begin with.
With that I walked out smiling, and turned in my slip for 6 hours.
I was great to see the first ASA turn ash white when it got shoved up her arrogant ass.
By the way, dude did get the death penalty.
It looks like we are about to suffer another "black eye" on the Department. IAD has rapped up a investigation into officers working at Wrigleyville bars "Morans, Cubby Bear,etc". Their is between 15-20 Pos involved, be careful J-fed's "think tank" initiated this.
Hello, Donahue, are you listening...or should we call you "Don't-a-hue"?
You are a Police Officer 24-7. If you view a crime, you are compelled at the minimum to call 911. We have to take some form of Police Action or be disciplined. Therefore, by that rule alone, set by the Chicago Police Department. We are on duty and should be seen as such. Especially when the Officer announces his/her Office.
In this case even though the officer was still an officer he wasnt acting in his official duties, examining his car after the fender bender
So yess SCC your observations are correct, the police are held to a different standard
9/30/2008 12:58:00 AM
He identified himself as a police officer and was struck, he began to restate that he was a police officer and was struck again...after that first blow, he was in his official capacity in that had jasas remained on the scene, Amato would have arrested him.
Anonymous said...
Where's Weis? Time to show some balls.
9/30/2008 12:21:00 AM
If, in fact he ever had any - he had to give em to Daley prior to signing his juicy contract..
There is no real judges in this county, just favors and hacks. There is no real justice in this county either, just excuses and skin colors. I am sick over all this! I mean if this Det. had punched this guy he would be like Mette. I f he had to shoot this guy ... he would end up like Jesus
Don't you guys carry when you're off duty?
People wouldn't try that out here because they know any off-duty officer they might feel like tussling with is gonna be fully armed.
Concerned in CA.
its all politics...and politics stink!
This is'nt the first time. Awhile back an off duty P.O. was attacked along with his girlfriend in Edison Park. They suffered numerous injuries and I believe the girl was admitted to the hospital. Offender charged TWO counts Mis battery. No felony even though he announced his office.
Remember this at election time. Vote Tony Peraica. Anita Alverez will be just more of the same.
Anonymous said...
Again, when is our union going to organize a march on city hall?
9/30/2008 08:05:00 AM
We have no "union" just a fraternal "boys drinking club", Mrak and the drunks cannot even respond to calls or emails.
As far as writing ASA's I have in the past and will always do it, look what they did to that officer when they were on a ride along! The dui incident! ASA's are law school "class clowns" so you see why they have no clue what to do!
Another reason to do less! And then daley is cutting police, but then we read where all the alderthieves except 6 are taking their big pay raises for doing nothing! Even oily eddie burke who has 8 million laying around in his campaign account is taking the raise. "mo money, mo money" great example to the people who elect these morons!
my brothers n sisters in blue. read the fine print. Bridgeport + political judges + organized crime + dropping the envelope = the Daley Machine way.
stay safe
The police officer's alleged attacker, 27-year-old John Jasa,s remains free after attending court last week, where a judge refused to charge him with attacking a police officer.
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John Jasa,
can you atlest tell me how much cash it cost you to bribe that judge, so I can know next time I beat some one?
Thanks.
I was told once before, by an ASA that," as a police officer your security can not be breeched". That is basically saying we do not exist out here!
In general I feel that the ASA's think we make shit up all the time and that we are the most corrupt people on earth.
They are probably relieved that their court rooms are not cluttered with our "crazy" cases anymore!
They critique our cases with their liberal opinions rather than objectivity!
They basically DO NOT BELIEVE hand to hand transactions exist in the City!
THE PROBLEM IS THESE THINGS,LIKE SURVEILANCES, HAND TO HAND TRANSACTIONS, THROWING DRUGS OR GUNS TO THE GROUND WHEN THEY SEE POLICE, DRIVE UP DELIVERIES IN CARS, CONSENT TO SEARCHES (witout physical or mental coersion) AND EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES DURING A CHASE INTO A HOUSE.....ACTUALLY HAPPEN!!!!!!!
Maybe not so much in the suburbs but in the CITY.......IT DOES!
When legit things happen to us we get treated worse than the thugs we deal with!
I KNOW THEY ACT LIKE OUR BUDDIES AND I GUARANTEE THEY ARE VERY NERVOUS PUTTING ON CASES WE PRESENT AT TIMES...BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM OR US!
The JUDGES IN COOK COUNTY....
SAME THING!!!!!!
He should just feel lucky he wasnt in Iowa. Or he would be going to prison.
OT: From Facebook
Jaime Elsinger Rickerson sent a message to the members of Justice for Mike Mette!
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Subject: Just opened a letter from Mike....
Really good news everybody! Not only should a decision from the appelate court come very soon but Mike said he has just found out he will be going in front of the Parole Board on Ocotber 15th!!! What that means is that no matter what, his chances of coming home VERY soon are VERY good! He thinks he may even be home as early as November!!
Don't get me wrong, we all still want the appelate court to completely throw this garbage against Mike out completely, but even if that doesn't happen right now, him getting paroled will at least bring him home- Keep your fingers crossed!!
Again, thanks to everyone for their messages and wall posts, whether you think so or not, you are making a difference.
~ David, Karissa and Jaime
Vote the judge out. Attorneys run our government and will always try to come after us to promote civil litigation. Judges and ASAs are all attornets and will take care of other attorneys.
I have been to court twice so far to date where I have charges a person with battery to a po while I was working AND in full uniform. In one case, the offender did not show up and the asa said that there would be a warrant issued. I went on may way just to find out later (when the offender decided to put a cr# on us) that there was no warrant issued. WTF. In the other case, I was on furlough and the case was SOL'd even after the asa was told that I was on furlough. They are idiots as far as I'm concerned and don't trust any of them.
What a bunch of bullshit!!
That's totally messed up!!!
Mike Mette's appeal is being ruled on tommorrow, let's hope for the best.
I agree. I retired from a neighboring suburb who brought in a retired Chicago Lieutenant to be Chief. I give him credit, he stuck up for us and went after the ASA's office when things didn't go our way when we were right and to bring more heat, he would contact the Suburban Chief's Assoc. who brought even more heat on the ASA's Office. And do you know why he was like this? He spent 30 years on the streets of Chicago, saw his friends die and put up with the merit promotions to those that should not have been leaders. I have to respect him and I sympathy for the leadership you have in leading your department, way over paid and has no idea what it is like to be out on the streets in the war zone and lose a brother officer. Your boss should be stepping forward and questioning the ASA's Office.
I certainly can understand the frustration on both sides. The Police believe that there is a double standard, apparently the ASA's believe that there is not enough evidence for the "higher" charge. However, my question is this: how are any of these issues resolved by apathy? In other words, Chicago Police officers must live within the city limits, so how does not doing your jobs to adequately protect the citizens benefit anyone? Don't you and your families have to walk these streets as well? what point is being made by letting the streets become even more dangerous?
9/30 11:43am politics is the way it is, its the way its been since the start of human history. if you cant deal with this truth you have real problems. try mind altering drugs they will help you escape nasty things like reality. now have mommy give you some warm milk.
It's this simple...if the ASAs wanted to charge a felony they could have. Even if not Agg Batt on a PO they could have charged Battery on the Public Way which is a felony. The only other time I saw this done was when they charged an ex-PO (John S****ville. a real POS himself who deserved it.) The point is, if they wanted a felony they could have done it. We are nothing in their eyes.
Just hitting someone on the public way is a felony. The SAO used this on Abate.
With the Jefferson Tap "incident" were these officers off duty?
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They were "on duty" enough to use their badges to wave off POs responding to the 911 calls.
You can't have it both ways.
Wake the fuck up already they (ASA) office does this because we let them. We do not stick together and do not step up for one another when this shit happens to fellow officers. Time to unite.
Last week I observed a subject running across Foster Ave near Harlem. The short story is the guy boosted cloths from Burlington Coat Factory. This guy is 35yrs, has an extensive 11 page rap sheet with several felony convictions.
Called for up-grade which was denied because no security tape was available. (what did these nim-rods ASA's do before tape)?
Anyway, ASA rejected it and REFUSED to give me his name for the report.
This guy let me no choice but to file a formal complaint with the Illinois complaint against attorneys commission. (I screwed up the name but look it up on the web if you want to file a formal complaint)
Since a lot of POs don't care about the taxpayers that they are supposed to serve and protect, don't expect much sympathy from civilians.
**Fuck Off!
[...]I have to respect him and I sympathy for the leadership you have in leading your department,[...]
May I interject here.
We have no leadership. Just bad mangers.
1122 a.m. did you just arrive or what ? wake up and look around and you'll see the light at the end of the tunnel. if not, wait for the train,
Always Always try to find a federal lawyer that will handle your case. Your right to due process have been violated.
Don't you guys carry when you're off duty?
People wouldn't try that out here because they know any off-duty officer they might feel like tussling with is gonna be fully armed.
Concerned in CA.
9/30/2008 11:37:00 AM
Dave,
Yes, we carry off duty. People don't give a fuck.
Tony Periaca won't let this happen to us, he backs the police.
A few things can happen here as Jacas's family is in the salami savings business.
Det Amato will get a loner car while his car is repaired in a bridgeport autoshop, whereas he gets the car back with a bonus in the trunk, or Det. Amato's home will suddenly become a target.
Watch your back everyone, Policemen are targets.
Carry some whoop ass OC spray when off duty...cone pattern, not the stream version they hand out.... cant miss with it...dont stand there and take an ass whipping that you dont have to. I bought "Bodyguard LE-10 cone" for me and my spouse. Awesome OC performance !
Operation Just Cause initiated against Jasas.
I once made a comment on here about the ASA's and some detective told me I was "a hand up" and the ASA thought she was among friends...Still feel that way Detective????
Double standards in the LAW are un-constitutional I believe. can a law suit be brought against prosecutors for failing in their duties to prosecute according to law??? Complain to the Bar assoc or legal registry on lawyer misconduct!!!
Ay the very least it should be felony approved and sent to the JUDGE!!!
Felony Review is a joke and CROOK county is one of the ONLY places in the country with such a shit system!
GET RID OF FELONY REVIEW AND CHARGE BY STATUTE!!!
SEND IT TO THE JUDGE!!!
Anonymous said...
Just remember A.S.A's are flunky lawyers who couldnt make in the public sector as a lawyer. Lawyers are a dime a dozen and A.S.A's are even worse because they are political hacks!!!
You got that right on brother!
Since we're on the ASA topic
how about Paul & Tony from
the Forfeiture Section?
What a couple of fucken strokes.
It's obvious that they have been shipped away from 26th St because they don't get along with their collegues.
I work in Narcotics and have seized on numerous occassions,large sums of currency
and these idiots end up giving it back to the shitheads.
Not only myself but countless numbers of times several officers have made large seizures and they always end up giving it back.
Even J.O. the Commander of Narcotics had a problem with these guys (particularly Paul) years ago where they went to blows and had to be split up.
They claim that if we can't prove that the money came from illicit means then we can't take it.
You pull over a car and find a trap with three hundred thousand dollars in cash in it are you going to send them on their way because there's no drugs or other contraband. No, we confiscate it and inventory it. What do these two geniuses do they give it back!
Why not file for the money and let the shit heads prove that the money is from legitimate means. Why should the burden be on us to prove that it is form illegal means.
Over and over throughout the years these dumb assess have given literally millions of dollars back to people who aren't even contesting the seizure. Most of these people are just hoping not to get locked up.
These ASA's are fucking useless and I hope that with the new administration coming in November they get weeded out and sent to juvy/traffic court where they can't do much harm.
Why aren't the African-American so called leaders (including Meeks, Jackson,Sharpton)holding press conferences condemning the shooting death of P.O. Taylor who gave up his life stopping the drug trafficing.
Because they profit not only from the drugs, but the violence as well. They use this as leverage to get their people hired and to get more money toward their bullshit social causes and agendas. Would you bite the hand that feeds you?
Jasas was arrested in '97 for driving up on 2 009 officers that were conducting a traffic stop and firing a starter pistol at them. He then fled the scene and was taken into custody at another location. In the fine "fuck it" tradition of the CPD, he was only charged with a city disorderly. His only arrest between '97 & '08 is for pushing a State Police Officer and fleeing a traffic stop. He don't like the police.
They should have shot him dead and it would have been a police-assisted-suicide. Sounds like he has a death wish.
SO THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK NOW.
SCC are you intimating that this County and City maybe influenced by the Outfit? Mob? OHHHHH NOOOO say it aint so.
Isnt the other guy Caruso, who has paid his debt to society, employed by the City? Water or Electricity?
So If Steve can get wacked around a few times, and a by the time this is over it will be a simple battery and 30 days supervision, I guess its safe to say that if Steve would have been in fear for his life- fired his weapon? Steve would have been on the fast-track for Death Row...
Some ass suggested that Steve fight back!!! Are you completely mad? He would have been hung out to dry had he defended himself. Steve dont listen to some of the ass's.
Yes, I would suggest if March 8th will be a protest date at the Daley Center /City Hall, that we post fliers in All Districts, Areas, etc, e-mail as many outside Agencies as possible requesting support, and get at least 2 shifts involved, a Morning and an Afternoon, take over shift, maybe an 8am-2 pm; then a 2pm-8pm watch.. Also, if there are any sympathetic to our cause vendors, possibly have a coffee wagon and porta-potties available, perhaps some quick eats; etc. We do have much more support than we probably think we have, it's all in the Organization of the protest. Perhaps the Minutemen would help us out too, they are 100% pro law enforcement. All must be done before the Election. Nows the time to Put up or Shut Up.
Anonymous said...
SO THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK NOW.
9/30/2008 09:18:00 PM
New guy, it has always been like this since I have been on and that has been quite awhile.
Anonymous said...
Wake the fuck up already they (ASA) office does this because we let them. We do not stick together and do not step up for one another when this shit happens to fellow officers. Time to unite.
9/30/2008 05:25:00 PM
Wrong, it is time to march and unity will come during and after.
Anonymous said...
With the Jefferson Tap "incident" were these officers off duty?
=====================================
They were "on duty" enough to use their badges to wave off POs responding to the 911 calls.
You can't have it both ways.
9/30/2008 04:43:00 PM
Why did "Ric Flair" leave them in the lurch??
This dickhead's name is like a word jumble only it seems to be missing a C and K
Jasas
Actually the detective identified himself when Jasas attempted to drive away after the accident. Jasas stated, "I don't give a fuck" and struck the detective. The detective again identified himself as he attempted to take Jasas into custody for committing a battery (against him) and Jasas continued to strike the detective and state that he didn't give a fuck. With the detective disabled, Jasas fled the scene and was taken into custody, covered in the detective's blood, several miles away by his Bridgeport home. If you identify yourself and attempt to arrest an offender, you are taking police action. If he uses force against you, it is aggravated battery. So fuck you 29 and a day. It's been my experience that people who brag about seniority have nothing else to brag about. Congratulations . . . you did nothing for 30 years and didn't get fired. What an accomplishment. One year on the job...29 times over.
And buy an apostrophe key for your 128k Macintosh
First I have an apostrophe key
Second Not only do I have 29 and a day on the job, but Ive just gotten my 29th pension check.
I wasnt bragging about my seniority. It was a handle I liked to use on this site
Last whether you like to hear it or not I'm correct when I say what I said. Just because you don't like the message don't be mad at the messenger
Thank you for joining the police department.
I don't know how we were able to hang on until you got here to save us.
I hope that you last long enough to get a pension check or two.
"what point is being made by letting the streets become even more dangerous?
9/30/2008 03:21:00 PM"
Apparently, you are too lazy to read the many articles, and comments thereto, contained within this blog.
That's the most generous conclusion that can be made concerning your above quoted comment.
If you really want to know the many reasons that apply to the answer to your question, read the above referenced articles and comments.
Anonymous said...
With the Jefferson Tap "incident" were these officers off duty?
=====================================
They were "on duty" enough to use their badges to wave off POs responding to the 911 calls.
You can't have it both ways.
9/30/2008 04:43:00 PM
Why did "Ric Flair" leave them in the lurch??
9/30/2008 11:04:00 PM
We don't have it both ways asshole. Them boys have a criminal case pending. Your "I'm a yuppie, Im so righteous, I'm white I'm entitled, I think police are terrible people" mentality is showing. Reach back beyond the fog of bullshit your brain has created and least make a logical argument.
Let me just clear something up for all you white, beverly born and raised cocksuckers. The police don't become the police to fuck with people, to steal, or whatever other devious shit you people think are our motives. We become the police to stop assholes from fucking with you!
Before you say it asshole, I pay taxes too, and no you don't have a say in shit the police do. The whole idea of the police living to a higher standard is based on the police being protected to a higher standard too. This is so we won't be afraid to take action when needed.
Thank you for joining the police department. I don't know how we were able to hang on until you got here to save us.
9/30/2008 11:43:00 PM
Just home from the desk huh? Pontificate some more please. Your "how did we do it without you" b.s. is the oldest and lamest argument on this blog. Don't backpedal on the stupid name you gave yourself, you picked it to show the greatness of your accomplishment. Dipshit. I wonder if the guy at 7-11 goes around bragging he's been making slurpees for 10 years without getting fired?
29 years and an apostrphe said...
Actually the detective identified himself when Jasas attempted to drive away after the accident. Jasas stated, "I don't give a fuck" and struck the detective. The detective again identified himself as he attempted to take Jasas into custody for committing a battery (against him) and Jasas continued to strike the detective and state that he didn't give a fuck. With the detective disabled, Jasas fled the scene and was taken into custody, covered in the detective's blood, several miles away by his Bridgeport home. If you identify yourself and attempt to arrest an offender, you are taking police action. If he uses force against you, it is aggravated battery. So fuck you 29 and a day. It's been my experience that people who brag about seniority have nothing else to brag about. Congratulations . . . you did nothing for 30 years and didn't get fired. What an accomplishment. One year on the job...29 times over.
And buy an apostrophe key for your 128k Macintosh
Ok child your on cpd mom and dad are proud, your paying into my pension for that thanks! What did you do in college? you wasted time and ended on this shit job correct kid? Keep working and busting ass, i will retire soon with few cr numbers as I do nothing but collect a check as for you child I will see you at your fund raiser!
I said it before fuck these asa's they all drink I belive emmits is one of the bars the hang out at hammer them
the off duty p/o id himself as a p/o thus making it agg to p/o
Ok child your on cpd mom and dad are proud, your paying into my pension for that thanks! What did you do in college? you wasted time and ended on this shit job correct kid? Keep working and busting ass, i will retire soon with few cr numbers as I do nothing but collect a check as for you child I will see you at your fund raiser!
10/01/2008 12:20:00 PM
You're a typical idiot on this job. Smug and lazy, party of one!
State's Attorneys are not your friends.
Anonymous said...
Ok child your on cpd mom and dad are proud, your paying into my pension for that thanks! What did you do in college? you wasted time and ended on this shit job correct kid? Keep working and busting ass, i will retire soon with few cr numbers as I do nothing but collect a check as for you child I will see you at your fund raiser!
10/01/2008 12:20:00 PM
You're a typical idiot on this job. Smug and lazy, party of one!
10/01/2008 08:09:00 PM
Dear Son,
Can you please start repaying me for all the college monies I wasted on you! This man is smart and will retire son, I will see you also at your BENEFIT! What kind of a goof did I raise? I know you love your alcohol (It showed with your college transcripts), but why are you still such an idiot?
Love Daddy
Dear Son,
Can you please start repaying me for all the college monies I wasted on you! This man is smart and will retire son, I will see you also at your BENEFIT! What kind of a goof did I raise? I know you love your alcohol (It showed with your college transcripts), but why are you still such an idiot?
Love Daddy
10/01/2008 10:40:00 PM
Dear Dad,
Don't listen to this lazy jagoff. He'll be dead soon. Besides Dad isn't pathetic for a such vet to be jealous of me. He spends his off time having blog conversations with nobody(senile or just pathetic) and bragging to his fellow old timers about said exchanges while working special. I hope you enjoy the pension you old bitter fuck, you bring a whole new meaning to erectile dysfunction.
How long is this lovefest going to last?
You guys should just rent a room.....
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