Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Burge Fallout

Coverage all over the place:
This seems like a pretty weak case:
  • A special prosecutors' report paid for by Cook County and released in 2006 concluded that dozens of suspects had been tortured by Chicago police but that no one could be prosecuted because the statute of limitations had run out.

    Today's indictment gets around that legal problem by charging Burge with perjury, not with any instances of actual torture.

Perjury? Wow. This seems like a bad attempt at an end-around the law.

We hate to rain on the parade of "victims" and the legions of haters convicting Burge before even one iota of evidence is presented but consider the following:
  • There never was a "black box" located. The allegations about an electrical device appeared years after the fact when the People's Law Office manufactured the box and brought to court in an attempt to sway a hearing. "This is what it might have looked like" was the argument at the time. "...if it existed" should have been included in that phrase.
We aren't going to defend Burge - we don't know enough about the case. But we aren't going to go along blindly and say that manufactured evidence by the PLO ought to be the basis for a conviction. Three of the four offenders have returned to a life of crime and mayhem even after being given a clean slate by the crookedest governor in Illinois history (and he's only the crookedest because of his convictions. Blago could well surpass Ryan in the near future.)

It detracts from any semblance of credibility when your best witnesses cannot provide physical evidence of alleged torture, maintained their silence during court proceedings about alleged torture, and spent years behind bars without mentioning word one about alleged torture.

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70 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks nice down in Florida! Gotta get me a pad down there after the real estate "correction". Glad I didn't get sucked into the bubble like so many gullible coppers I work with.

And yes, I live with mom.

So there!

10/22/2008 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

09 Feb 82, RIP Brother
10 Feb 82, RIP Brother

Jon Burge brought to justice the offenders who killed two of our own. Andrew gave the first statement implicating himself and Jackie. Andrew desribed how he ran around the car to commit the second murder--point blank. Only the offendrs could have information regarding these factual actions.
Our brothers were taken to Little Company of Mary Hospital where our brothers were cared for with the highest level of service.
The doctors and nurses, including Dr. O'donoghue and nurse Finneran and Dowd assisted in caring for our Brothers. We now have a Brother who needs our assistance. It's time to help: God Bless!

10/22/2008 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The G can pretty much do what they please, they answer to NOBODY !

10/22/2008 12:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When will be the next benefit for Burge?

I'll write him a check RIGHT NOW for a $1000.

10/22/2008 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anybody shed some light on satutes of limitations(if any) on this case??

10/22/2008 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When is FOP going to have a fundraiser for John Burge? I am inn!!!

10/22/2008 02:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As much as I love what Patrick Fitzgerald has done so far I really have to question this one. Every day we read about this insider deal and that scam involving Shortshanks. Listening to the Little One on the radio attempting to distance himself from this Burge case was amusing. He was stuttering all over the place selling his staff down the drain. Why is this guy coated with mutiple layers of Teflon. How about that cute pic of Shortshanks and the future Shortshanks (Grandson) on the front page of the Sun Times yesterday. He was in front of the building named for his thief of a father pointing out that all of this will his one day after his uncle Patrick is finished with his 5 terms in office.

MEMO to US Attorney Fitzgerald: OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS CROOK. The prospect of 4 years with the terrorist Obama and this fool is more than this city can take.

Good Night

10/22/2008 04:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EXPECT A WHOLE LOT OF COPPER INDICTED, ARRESTED OR FIRED IS BARRY HUSSEIN OBAMA IS ELECTED.

WITHOUT A DOUBT.

10/22/2008 06:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope John Burge beats every charge.


Richard Daley, Drew Peterson, Craig Stebic, just to name a few, are free and walking around.

I hope Burge is free soon too.

10/22/2008 06:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When are the FEDS going to get Daly and his corupt famliy?

10/22/2008 07:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone else curious as to the timing of this dogshit indictment? Is there a juicier spot waiting in the wings if the "savior" Obama is elected? Just a thought.-- Also just wanted to let all you garbage media outlets freeloading on this site, you make me sick you fuckiing one trick ponies! Open up your godamn eyes and look at all the corruption in this city that isn't carrying a badge for a change.(i.e. every alderscum) How long you plan on selling papers and lead ins on the backs of a police department which is already hanging by a thread? The 95% of us out there doing our jobs and doing them well are sick and tired of being the whipping post for your half ass reporting. And you wonder why no policemen is willing to do good for this shit city anymore?

10/22/2008 07:19:00 AM  
Blogger Page17 said...

Can anybody shed some light on satutes of limitations(if any) on this case??

The charges are for perjury and false statements about the case, so that is were they will get him.

10/22/2008 07:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burge was an aggressive copper who took a lot of scum off the streets of this city back in the 70s and 80s. The criminal mopes he had convicted and their bleeding-heart apologists in the media & legal community never get tired of trying to crucify him for doing the work that needed to be done.

Imo the guy deserves a commendation, not these lame-ass and frivolous charges which are the newest wave of harrasment.

10/22/2008 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Orange, Hobley, Patterson and Cannon did not commit the murders they were convicted for, who did?

Does Flint Taylor have an alternate suspect?

Is it possible that the above sat around the yard in Pontiac and concocted a story.

Is it possible that Flint Taylor encouraged the above to concoct a story and lie?

Isn't it true that Flint Taylor, last year, admitted at 26th Street that he does a cost benefit analysis before he accepts a case because he wants to make money?

Would you lie to get out of a life in-jail, even if you were guilty, and wouldn't you like to sue the City, even if you were guilty?

10/22/2008 07:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one is above the law.

Coppers are so intent on giving their OWN style of justice, but in the end the law will ALWAYS catch up with ya.

Don't think so?
Ask Abbate, Ciancio, Grillo, & Finnigan

10/22/2008 08:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is this the real reason Daley hired J-Fed? Is this to get the reverends (small case on purpose)and the police hating aldercreatures off his back? Because now they're in a pickle. Do they vote for Obama who will surely replace Fitzgerald or for McCain who would most likely keep him?

10/22/2008 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear JB I for one will haVE a bumper sticker on my car that reads "I support JB" Back then my father was not home for days. All these fine officers at the time were searching for these mutts who killed two young officers in cold blood. (no overtime either) Even being a young kid a understood the impact of those murders. God bless you Mr. Burge and Thanks!
Remember these animal wilson brothers were KILLERS!

10/22/2008 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee I don't know who is more defensive and innocent ALL THE TIME.

The ghetto rats who NEVER seem to do anything illegal and are ALWAYS getting persecuted by THE MAN and look for someone to enable their behavior. (Reverends)

Or

Cops who seem to think that other cops NEVER do anything illegal and are ALWAYS getting persecuted by EVERYONE and do nothing but look for other cops to enable everything they do.

10/22/2008 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon Said--Looks nice down in Florida! Gotta get me a pad down there after the real estate "correction".
_______________________

Time to buy is during the correction. Afterwards the price goes up. Mom will love Florida, bring her along.

As for JB, the bright side, if there is one, is watching Daley really squirm, Daley already beat this one, but it nice to see him nervous isn't it ?

I always thought the Black Box thing was crap, why go to all that bother when you could just phonebook 'em, swirley them in a shit filled toilet, hang em out a window (everyone think creatively here or recall the good old days)

I heard once that the black box was used in a movie where these mopes obviously saw it. Anyone recall the movie that was out after the whole blackbox myth was created ? Rambo 2 ? Commando ? Some old Nazi flick or something ? The Black Box is total crap, even by crap standards it doesn't hold up. It goes to show you, tell a big juicy glamorous lie, no matter how absurd, the media loves it.

10/22/2008 09:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
EXPECT A WHOLE LOT OF COPPER INDICTED, ARRESTED OR FIRED IS BARRY HUSSEIN OBAMA IS ELECTED.

WITHOUT A DOUBT.

10/22/2008 06:12:00 AM

Where did I hear that before.....
oh! I remember: Expect a whole lot of coppers indicted, arrested or fire when "Harold Washington" is elected. Give it a break!!!

10/22/2008 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

now if only fitz would go after da mare and the gov and all their erry theives - I mean friends with such anger and such vigor !

10/22/2008 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before any of you none police readers throw Commander John Burge under "the bus of conviction" allow me to enligten you as to the order of operation the detective div. (as well as the entire dept.) runs under.

First, while he was the commander of his detective division he was not the only person in charge. There was a command staff ABOVE him (Deputy Chief, ADS, Chief, Deputy Superintendent, 1st Deputy, and the Superintendent) as well as a Violent crimes Lieutenant under him. If memory serves me correctly Phil Cline was the Lt. under Burge's command at one time. Very Interesting.

So, as anyone in this dept. especially the D-unit will tell you high profile cases such as a policemen shot or double murders etc. the entire investigative command staff is kept current on the status of the case. ALSO, they tend to "stop by" the area to see how things are going. IF, and I stress IF!!! anything was occurring in those interview rooms EVERYONE on the floor would be aware of it-even the janitor-WTF.

It is my opinion (because I wasn't there at the time) Burge was the stand up guy that "fell on the sword" and acted as a true commander should. HE took the heat. You see this crooked City had to hang somebody and he stepped up.

And to all you young, college educated, know it all, 2 years on the job, street tough, hair gel policemen- Commander Burge MAY ( and once again I stress MAY) have been involved in some shady stuff, BUT everyone in the dept. knew about it and turned a blind eye because they (the D-Unit) were dealing with KILLERS and contrary to my liberal friend's beliefs; simply asking a killer to "please tell me the truth" doesn't cut the mustard.

In conclusion, I'm an old detective that doesn't really give a fuck about what a college professor or liberal thinks about my beliefs. What occurred back then and still does today (Killers taking the lives of innocent people) still sickens me. To think that what occurred (innocent people were murdered by these thugs) and to think what these savages did was so easily discarded by greedy lawyers because they could see by twisting the facts of a criminal case would lead to a big money civil suit payoff makes me glad i'll be retired soon.

Take care of yourselves and remember YOU DON'T LIVE WITH THESE SAVAGES-they are a crop you harvest so you can feed your family and pay your bills. Just make sure you go home to wife and kids every night.

Area 4

10/22/2008 09:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the accusations of torture are being made by scum. Andrew Wilson went to his grave knowing he killed the security guard at McDonalds but let his cohort Alton Logan take the fall. Logan was there and deserved to do the time. All these other so called victims of torture committed the crimes and were justly convicted. And we all know none of them would come up with a story about torture and use it to get some lawyer to help them get out of jail. What else do they have to do in prison but conceive ways of getting out?
The problem is these lawyers envision themselves standing before the Supreme Court and setting some precedent that will make them the next Johnny Cochrane.
That's the problem with our job. We are pawns in a political chess game
- Someone who was there

10/22/2008 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clinton lied under oath and nothing happened to him. Burge did far more good! Gov. Ryan is the only one who should stay in prison for commuting death sentences of those guilty of murder.

10/22/2008 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let this be a lesson !!!

TO ALL COPPERS:

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, talk to a FED.
Don't deny, don't lie, don't open your mouth other than to say I want my lawyer now and shut the fuck up.

They will put a case on you , right J-pud?

10/22/2008 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

who had this idea? When do they stop this shit! Boys and girls remember to not "jump on the paper" as this type of shit will haunt you forever! More lies the scumbag wilson brothers one is dead and rotting in hell, the other hopefully will be dead soon! They killed 2 of our own, great police officers returning from another great officers funeral and were guneed down cold blooded be these animals! wTF! I can only hope that J-fed is not behind this, as obama may get the nod and will our boss seek to be head of the fbi? This is another travesty, but I hope and pray that daley is taken down mayor "I don't know nuttin!" God bless you John Burge and to all the other dics and officers involved! No black box was ever found but flint taylor made up a fake box and said it was similiar! Yea ok asshole flint go put your mayor in bed and tuck him in jagoff!

10/22/2008 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You think anyone is gonna have a benefit for this guy? You think anyone is gonna attend a benefit for him? If you do, you're nuts. All these "messages of support" for Burge are bullshit. If you support the guy, help him out, don't just post anonymous comments on a blog.

10/22/2008 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago media does a horrible job of trying to explain this charge. I assume they're saying Burge perjured himself in relation to testimony he gave during some of the civil lawsuits? Is that correct? Dude may have been better off admitting the charges if he in fact did them...statute of limitations had run and he wouldn't have exposed himself to perjury allegations.

I'm not disagreeing with anything in your post but at certain points didn't the CPD conclude that Burge had in fact tortured people? Correct me if I'm wrong.

10/22/2008 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me ask you this.... If one of your family members was murdered, would you want Burge to work the case?

10/22/2008 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FUCK NEIL STEINBERG. WIFE BEATING FUCKING ASSHOLE. How is thsi clown allowed to write ANYTHING in a fucking paper?

10/22/2008 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This indictment is pure crap. Another case of the media dictating to the feds as to who should be indicted.

Like Jack Nicholson said in "A Few Good Men..... we live in a world that has walls.
And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? , I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for the alleged torture victims and you curse the police. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: That the alleged torture victims while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it. I'd prefer you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to.

Burge was our Col. Jessep. Who knows how many more lives would be taken if they, the alleged victims were released.

Leave him alone. That's what I say, Just leave him alone.

10/22/2008 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This indictmant is involving Burge supposedly purjury at a civil trial.

How about when the criminal plaintiff and his witnesses lied at the same trial, or any other trial. Will the US Government go after them?

Lying under oath, bullshit, it is done several thousand times a day just at 26th St and Daley Center by lawyers alone. How ablut lawyers lying to their clients. How about when I go to 26th St or any time I talk to a defense lawyer, state's attorney or federal prosecutor that I carry a bible and swear them in. Will these assholes to to jail for lying to me?

Fuck the federal prosecutors for taking such a cheap shot.

10/22/2008 01:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope someone jams Daley up in this, oh I hope so.

10/22/2008 01:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you notice that two face John Kass is going after Lt. Burge maybe now you will realize that he uses the police for his gain. How many old timers remember him at White Sox park as one of the biggest drunks after games and paling around with Bill Simonson radio personally who one day while in a drunken state was beaten up and accused the the 9th district police of ignoring his calls for service. Kass for weeks blasted the police in his columns for not doing their work. The department did a investigation proving he wrong using phone records and Kass still to this day has never admitted he was wrong.

10/22/2008 01:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As much as I would mlike to believe that P. Fitzgerald is an honest and forthright man, it just seems to me that this indictment of Burge is a cynical ploy to keep his present job should Obama be elected. I am not a politician, just a cop so I don't have a Macchiavellian mind like these bastards do but with the investigations into Gov. Blowjobbitch, Mayor Shortshanks and Rezko, et al I doubt Obama will keep Fitz. in his current position in order to torpedo those cases.

10/22/2008 01:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where are all the idiots at that idolize Patrick Fitzgerald? Where are all those who write posts, on this blog directly to him?

You got what you asked for, now you don't want it...

10/22/2008 02:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS I BELEIVE IS THE EARLY PART OF GOING AFTER dALEY IN THAT HE WAS STATES ATTNY DURING THE ALLEDGED INCIDENTS, iF HE KNEW OF THIS AND DID NOTRHING THEN HE IS CULPABLE ALSO IN THAT HE LIED TO FEDS DURING THE DEPOSITION PORTION OF THE INVESTIGATION/

10/22/2008 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you notice that two face John Kass is going after Lt. Burge maybe now you will realize that he uses the police for his gain. How many old timers remember him at White Sox park as one of the biggest drunks after games and paling around with Bill Simonson radio personally who one day while in a drunken state was beaten up and accused the the 9th district police of ignoring his calls for service. Kass for weeks blasted the police in his columns for not doing their work. The department did a investigation proving he wrong using phone records and Kass still to this day has never admitted he was wrong.

10/22/2008 01:46:00 PM

Oh just shut the fuck up already...he helped bring Mike home.Jesus some of you guys always need an need something to complain about.

10/22/2008 04:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if they brought this case to the lime light due to the upcoming election. Since Tony Rezco and company got sent wayyyyy back on the book shelf to where we won't here about him until after his boy Barack gets elected. Interesting very INTERESTING!!

10/22/2008 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FUCK THE MEDIA

10/22/2008 04:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I seem to remember there was an OPS and an Internal Affairs unit when Breczek was superintendtent. And maybe, when he wasn't getting his rocks off with Kathy K., or doing research for his book, "Addicted to Adultery" he may have talked with some of his command staff about this investigation. However, when he decided to run against Daley for States Atty as a Republican, I don't recall any campaign literature or platform of his that pointed a finger of accusation that this incident even occurred. So now, nearly 30 years later, everybody has 20-20 vision.

And how about the Peoples Law office, the liberal scumbag lawyers from Northwestern University and now the media, including the pock faced Greek from the Tribune jumping on the bandwagon. Oh yeah, you all kissed his ass over the Michael Mette columns. You must have figured he was doing charity work and the Tribune didn't pay him or sell any of those papers. Wise up, would you, before you jackpot yourselves. The Wilson Brothers were lucky they weren't offed before they were taken into custody.

10/22/2008 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aint nobody gonna touch Fitzgerald. That would be political poison for either McCain or Obama. Even Bush didn't have the guts for that.

Burge is accused of lying under oath in answers he gave in one of the civil suits. That happened within the statute of limitations. They will have to prove he lied, so they'll have to prove he tortured.

Lying under oath in civil suits happens all the time, but is usually not prosecuted. But it is sometimes. They just got an alleged Hamas terrorist on exactly that rap last year.

Is this a selective prosecution? You bet. But cops aren't the only ones who get hit by that -- ask George Ryan, or that alleged Hamas member, or lots of others.

And Fitzgerald is playing both sides of the fence. He's got an open file on one of the guys pardoned by Ryan. We might see the same thing on that guy.

Fitzgerald comes on really strong. He's coming on really strong with Burge, a cop. But he comes on really strong with everyone.

Welcome to the club. It's a big one.

They didn't have to dirty this up to get the Wilson brothers. I wish they hadn't. Everyone remembers Wilson and Burge. Nobody remembers Fahey and O'Brien. May God bless their souls, their families, and their honest brothers and sisters in blue. I save my prayers for them.

10/22/2008 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FUCK NEIL STEINBERG. WIFE BEATING FUCKING ASSHOLE. How is thsi clown allowed to write ANYTHING in a fucking paper?

10/22/2008 11:51:00 AM

Did not know of this...can you enlighten those of us who have not heard?

Thanks.

10/22/2008 07:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"THIS I BELEIVE IS THE EARLY PART OF GOING AFTER dALEY IN THAT HE WAS STATES ATTNY DURING THE ALLEDGED INCIDENTS, iF HE KNEW OF THIS AND DID NOTRHING THEN HE IS CULPABLE ALSO IN THAT HE LIED TO FEDS DURING THE DEPOSITION PORTION OF THE INVESTIGATION/

10/22/2008 02:43:00 PM"


We can only hope and see what happens.

10/23/2008 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Eric Zorn column in Thursday's Tribune should be mandatory reading for any working police officer as it shows how the Corp Counsel can trickbag us!

10/23/2008 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say they are opeing a door to go after Mayor Daley. I hope its true!

10/23/2008 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy Let Them Eat Cake Batman!!!

Tortured or not tortured?

"Three of the four offenders have returned to a life of crime and mayhem even after being given a clean slate by the crookedest governor in Illinois history (and he's only the crookedest because of his convictions. Blago could well surpass Ryan in the near future.)"

What are the odds of this happening to innocent men? Or are these men (convicts) innocent at all? Until I see some evidence and not allegations of torture vs. old fashion police work.

All you idiots on the band wagon can go fuck yourself!

10/23/2008 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was working at LCM the day they brought in Officers Fehey and O'Brien. I helped carry Fahey from the wagon. It was one of the worst days of my carrer. I was also working the day that Tom Darcy was murdered. The difference was that the shitbag that murdered Darcy left in a plastic bag looking like Swiss cheese. Andrew Wilson is rotting in hell and hopefully his brother will join him.

10/23/2008 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what happened to burge can happen to any of us. its open season on the police. a bunch of convicted felons who say they were tortured and they believe them. where's the proof. how about the vic's of these savages. the seven people who burned in that fire or two dead officers. the cozzi indictment and now this-- i'm seriously looking into another line of work.

10/23/2008 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Patrick Here! The closed-minded doesn't love me anymore.

10/23/2008 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fitzgerald comes on really strong. He's coming on really strong with Burge, a cop. But he comes on really strong with everyone.



It's amazing how they really don't give a dame about truth or facts.

Most of the blogger's on this board are just living in their demented realities.

10/23/2008 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet morale was never a problem back then.

10/23/2008 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steinberg was arrested for misdemeanor domestic battery and and also with interfering with the reporting of domestic battery, a misdemeanor. He went into rehabb, wrote a book about it($$$), his wife forgave him, blah blah blah, Luckily he wasn't on the job.
btw, wtf !, WGN last night, 9am news 10-23-2008, they should have just entitled the 9 am news, We Hate all POLICE...Luckily I changed back to the series before I ruined my HD Plasma with a can of Coke Zero. Screw WGN, all the employees have WGN on their plates it seems btw, and they drive like crap, open season on them I say now that we can't pick on the Iowa plated.

10/23/2008 11:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If memory serves me correctly Phil Cline was the Lt. under Burge's command at one time. Very Interesting.
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You are old. Burge was the Area 2 Violent Crimes Lt. He was later promoted to commander of Bomb and Arson.

All of you are completely off base.

Burge is not charged with torturing anyone. He is charged with providing written answers in the Madison Hobley civil suit that stated he was unaware of any torture or pattern of torture at Area 2. In their own press release, the feds specifically stated that they are NOT alleging that Madison Hobley was tortured.

That's because Hobley wasn't tortured.

Read the press release:
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/pr/chicago/2008/pr1021_01.pdf

The feds have suddenly charged Burge for his 2003 answers in the Hobley civil case because the statute of limitations ON HIS ALLEGED LIES was about to run out.

The feds do not allege in the complaint that they have obtained statements from other individuals that would indicate that Burge knew of torture at Area 2.

I think the feds intend to call numerous murderers who will all undoubtedly state that Burge tortured them and that's why they confessed and, by the way, they're innocent. They hope that at least some of this bullshit will stick and a jury will convict. They have done this before with multiple criminal testimony, just ask anyone of the defendants in the Marquette 10 trial.

The truth is that a murderer on trial who has confessed has ONE OF TWO CHOICES.

#1- He can't plead guilty and go to jail for the rest of his life, OR

#2- He can claim that his signed and/or video confession is NOT TRUE and he only said that BECAUSE THE POLICE BEAT HIM.

A murder defendant who confessed has NO other option.

The media can continue to repeat a story until it suddenly becomes absolute truth. Even you fools believe this garbage.

Just remember, if they can do this to Burge 20 years after he was FIRED, they can do it to you on any arrest you may make in the future.

This is all bullshit concocted by lowly attorneys like Flint who were looking for a big pay day and had career criminals perpetuate this LIE, so they could get out of jail!


Read the complaint:

http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedia/burge%20final%20ind.pdf_20081021_09_04_12_17.imageContent

10/23/2008 04:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fitzgerald's statement said it all.
Its all bs. Should we go after all the police dating back to the 40's, 50's, 60's i"m sure we could find unacceptable behavior. and what about all the asa's years ago, or the judges etc. What happened after greylord, the judges are still corrupt and no one cares. Take the pressure off every corrupt politician, judge etc and just keep going after the police.

10/23/2008 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Defense attys have a license to lie, everyday in court. They throw shit and they see what sticks. Never ever heard of an atty prosecuted for lying.? or a defendent for that matter.

10/23/2008 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/22 4:44 am thats what happens when you love or trust the goverment they always go to far . You are a stupid fuck to love any goverment cock sucker.

10/23/2008 04:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10/22 9:11 Hay public school graduate ,the only reason the cross dressing mayor couldnt do any damage was because fast Eddie V. controlled the city council. Now get back to your hate the whiteman church in hyde park.

10/23/2008 04:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As much as I would mlike to believe that P. Fitzgerald is an honest and forthright man, it just seems to me that this indictment of Burge is a cynical ploy to keep his present job should Obama be elected.
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Pull your head out. Hussein is Daley's boy. If Hussein wins, the Burge prosecution and anything else that could touch Daley or Blagojevic comes to a screeching halt. Hussein's a dirty Chicago politician. Are you dumb enough to believe all of that "hope" crap?

10/23/2008 06:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word is Obama will pardon Burge; afterall, he was just doing police work.

10/23/2008 08:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous said...
Let me ask you this.... If one of your family members was murdered, would you want Burge to work the case?

10/22/2008 11:42:00 AM

Heck, no -- because it would kill me to see the scumball released.

10/23/2008 08:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lying under oath, bullshit, it is done several thousand times a day just at 26th St and Daley Center by lawyers alone. How ablut lawyers lying to their clients. How about when I go to 26th St or any time I talk to a defense lawyer, state's attorney or federal prosecutor that I carry a bible and swear them in. Will these assholes to to jail for lying to me?
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When you are on the witness stand you are under oath. The defense attorney is not under oath. The defense attorney has only one responsibility, to create "shadow of a reasonable doubt." He can lie his ass off. He can build a fake black box, anything. The defense attorney is NEVER under oath. You are on the stand, not him, not the defendant. You are under oath. They are not under oath.

Whenever you are in a court room, a defense attorney may say, "...And officer, let me remind you that you are under oath." You say back, "Sir, I know that I am under oath AND YOU ARE NOT."

I have done this several times, and it always shakes the MFer up.

10/23/2008 10:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heard Halloran, O'Brien, and Boudreau are next. This job really blooooows.

10/23/2008 10:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From what I read in the Trib today (23 Oct)is that the perjury indictment is based on the fact that Burge denied torturing suspects and the People's Law Office provided supposedly contradictory evidence.

Is that the height of lame or what?

The People's Law Office, which despite its "social justice" sounding name, is a for-profit law firm that has done nothing ever but sue the city on the basis of alleged police misconduct.

John Burge has become an for-profit industry in which everyone but him profits. The people that the accused murdered are forgotten.

When the PLO won a brutality lawsuit against the city on behalf of one of Wilson, he was awarded about $50,000. The PLO billed and collected over a $1M in legal fees.

10/23/2008 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The prospect of 4 years with the terrorist Obama and this fool is more than this city can take.

I'm a Police officer, a Military officer,an American citizen a family man and a Muslim. I have been deployed to Iraq. What I'm not is a terrorist. You are a hate monger religious fanatic imbecile, no different then the Iraqies.

10/24/2008 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The People's Law Office makes donations to the Cook County Democratic Organization.Thats why they get the big settlements from the City of Chicago(Daley).

10/24/2008 03:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kudos from Mr. & Mrs. Phil Kline

Marikay and I want to thank those of you who continue to support Jon Burge.

10/24/2008 07:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From what I read in the Trib today (23 Oct)is that the perjury indictment is based on the fact that Burge denied torturing suspects and the People's Law Office provided supposedly contradictory evidence.

Is that the height of lame or what?

The People's Law Office, which despite its "social justice" sounding name, is a for-profit law firm that has done nothing ever but sue the city on the basis of alleged police misconduct.

John Burge has become an for-profit industry in which everyone but him profits. The people that the accused murdered are forgotten.

When the PLO won a brutality lawsuit against the city on behalf of one of Wilson, he was awarded about $50,000. The PLO billed and collected over a $1M in legal fees.

10/23/2008 11:15:00 PM

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Here's how the deposition went:


Q: Did you toture cop killers?

A: No.




Even if he did, what's he supposed to do, admit it?

10/24/2008 02:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yes 1000 times

10/24/2008 02:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The prospect of 4 years with the terrorist Obama and this fool is more than this city can take.
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I'm a Police officer, a Military officer,an American citizen a family man and a Muslim. I have been deployed to Iraq. What I'm not is a terrorist. You are a hate monger religious fanatic imbecile, no different then the Iraqies.

10/24/2008 12:14:00 AM

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He said that OBAMA is a terrorist...now how do you equate that to calling you one? Your skin must be almost as thin as the annointed one's.

10/25/2008 09:16:00 PM  

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