Huberman Pension Grab Dead?
The Fraternal Order of Police is trying to block CTA President Ron Huberman from hanging on to his police pension, which Huberman claims he's entitled to because part of his $198,000-a-year mass transit job revolves around security.
In an Oct. 7 letter to the Policemen's Annuity and Benefit Fund of Chicago, FOP President Mark Donahue declared his board's "complete opposition" to Huberman's controversial request.
As noted here and elsewhere, the Patrolman Representative Steve Robbins was the only one of eight board members to vote against tabling Huberman's claim, which might set the stage for a future vote when the Board meets and the mayor's people are in a majority. It is also arguable that none of this would have come to light without the YouTube video and press coverage generated by candidate Mike Shields (not the Deputy Superintendent).
Now comes word via various comments that Huberman is removing his motion from consideration for the time being. This doesn't preclude his reapplying at a later date, so evidently, constant vigilance is the watchword of the day, the month and the upcoming years. Hopefully, the newly elected or retained representatives continue to keep everyone apprised of the business of the board.
Now comes word via various comments that Huberman is removing his motion from consideration for the time being. This doesn't preclude his reapplying at a later date, so evidently, constant vigilance is the watchword of the day, the month and the upcoming years. Hopefully, the newly elected or retained representatives continue to keep everyone apprised of the business of the board.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
66 Comments:
Speaking of this pension thing, SCC can you PLEASE limit all the pension voting posts to one thread. I appreciate what Shields did but c'mon I REALLY don't believe there are soooo many different people posting this shit.
YOU GOT MY VOTE MIKE BUT ENOUGH ALREADY!
does this mean Mike Lazzaro didn't vote I need to know because i HAVE HIS VOTE AT home and didn't mail it.
watch this mf in the future he's laying in wait until things die down ten e will try again!
For Robbins to parade aroud like he did something noble at the pension hearing makes no sense.
In the youtube video, you can clearly see the FOX news cameras. How would you vote if you were on camera.
Robbins made no effort throughout his term to fight back. All he can boast about is one vote that was a NO BRAINER.
I called him out in roll call. I asked him how much money he likes to give away to da mayor's nephews each year. Try getting outta that one.
Go Mike,,,and for the rest of you check out the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOocfs_m664
VOTE SHIELDS
For the pension board election, I mailed in last week my pick for Shields. Good for him. I cannot believe someone had that big of balls to call bs so close to the mayor. That kids my hero on this job.
Makes me wanna tell off my sergeant for his bs!! See if I could get away with it.
"Constant vigilance is the watchword of the day, the month and the upcoming years. Hopefully, the newly elected or retained representatives continue to keep everyone apprised of the business of the board."
It's clear that our current trustee robbins had no vigilance.
This just goes to show you that with the old regime of candidates we get the same type of action none. As stated in the artice if it were not for P.O. Shields the illustrious prince Huberman would have once again pulled the wool over the eyes of the citizens of chicago and taken their tax dollars once again. If you have not seen the video please do so...Robbins and crew are no where to be found. Its obvious that we need one of US ,not another hack to looking over our pension...I voted for Shields along with the countless others who are tired of seeing our futures wasted so that another one of the chosen few gets fat off our backs!!
>>was the only one of eight board members to vote against<<
Where can we find the names of those who voted FOR his pension? It's clowns like that who cost our city $$$$.
keep watching hubs will try again, he has people on the board that will tell him when "the coast is clear", mark speak up more for the membership, how is that cr you got on j-fed doing for speaking out for barry obama?
Shields run for fop President you will surely win! But dump all the old slate bella-fallon-demaria- but keep Sid davis at least he responds to calls and emails1 Run Mike Run!
Mike Shields - Hurray!
Steve Robbins & Pension Board - BOO!
Time for an "October surprise."
Lazaro voted to defer, the jerk.
Seeing Shields talk in roll blew me away on how much money is being controlled by the nephews of the mayor. Get on that board and stop him Shields. If they fire you for bs, we'll riot.
Go get em. Fight the city cuz no one else will.
"If you have not seen the video please do so...Robbins and crew are no where to be found. "
It was a highly edited video done and the instigation os Shields-why would he show anyone else but himself?
Also- they did not vote for Huberman to get the pension- they voted to table it- to consult with attorney-you goof! A prudent thing to do!
he didn't vote either way..which to me means I'm voting for the other guy...........
"That kids my hero on this job.
Makes me wanna tell off my sergeant for his bs!! See if I could get away with it.
10/18/2008 02:12:00 AM"
Yeah see if you newfound hero Mike throws you a benefit for your 30 days pending for insubordination. More than likely he'll throw you under the bus along w/ your pension.
Vote Robbins, the Devil you know is better that some Political Hack who will STAB you in the Back.
can someone please explain how Huberman is still on leave from the police dept? i thought the dept took a stance of NOT renewing any leaves after 1 year.
is there any other explanation other than 'politics as usual'?
I bet the Mayor will change his title to "President and Safety & Security Czar of the CTA" Then he will be a shoe in because now it's in the title and you can't dispute the title...
He'll definately weasel his way back in and come in unde the radar, ultimately receiving a chunk of our pension.
Speaking of this pension thing, SCC can you PLEASE limit all the pension voting posts to one thread. I appreciate what Shields did but c'mon I REALLY don't believe there are soooo many different people posting this shit.
YOU GOT MY VOTE MIKE BUT ENOUGH ALREADY!
10/18/2008 12:12:00 AM
AMEN!!! Now whats next my friend is Dan Shields (mikes brother) will be accusing you of being robbins and or caparelli and certainly call you out, while making another plug for his brother remember danny boy we will be watching you!!!
Where can we find the names of those who voted FOR his pension? It's clowns like that who cost our city $$$$.
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Here is the link with all the info.
http://www.chipabf.org/About_Contact/Board_of_Directors/Board%20Members_index.htm
>>was the only one of eight board members to vote against<<
Where can we find the names of those who voted FOR his pension? It's clowns like that who cost our city $$$$.
10/18/2008 05:22:00 AM
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They didn't vote FOR it, or he'd have his pension time credited by now.
They voted to TABLE it, to hear it another day.
IM NO FAN OF SHIELDS BROTHER IN 018. BUT MIKE HAS DONE MORE FOR OUR PENSIONS THAN ANYONE SINCE SANTO'S. THE FOP IS SAD , I BELIEVE IN FOP BUT LIKE THE MAYOR WE NEED A CLEAN SLATE.
How many other " part time " police officers made the pension grab before it was caught? I am sure that there are people who are getting a pension who have no business enjoying it.
Maybe someone who worked 8 or 9 years and then moved to a cushy city,state or county job.
Sticky fingers Vanecko, Shortshanks favorite money grabbing nephew actually wrote a letter to the editor complaining about being exposed as the piece of shit he is. Another member of the Daley Crime Family.
Robbins is a knowledgeable guy when it comes to the pension fund and he has done a good job representing police officers.
But, Mike Shields really put his ass on the line by taking on powerful interests in this city. And more importantly, Mike was able to publicly point out that the Huberman issue is only one more example of how the pension fund is being raided by politicans.
In the end, no matter how badly funded the pension fund is, the city and state taxpayers are on the hook for those of us who are vested (10 yrs or more). But, as the taxpayers have to pay more and more, they are going to put pressure on the politicans. The politicans will blame the problem on the "over-benefited, over-paid" police officers. The politicans have already successfully recruited columnists like Eric Zorn and Mark Brown to push these lies. The politicans can't reduce the taxpayers' pension liability, but they will use the under-funded pension as an excuse to reduce pay and other benefits (i.e. health benefits) for police officers.
What Mike pointed out is that the pension fund problems have nothing to do with police officers and everything to do with politicans that are using the fund as their personal and political piggybank.
Since Mike was so good at bringing this issue to the surface and not afraid of taking on the risk that came with it, he got my vote.
Ronnie Luberman is just waiting out the election. If Shields isn't elected, Luberman will be right back at the Board asking for pension credit. And he'll get it. Mike Shields will keep that bullshit pension board honest. Robbins couldn't do it it he tried.
Where can we find the names of those who voted FOR his pension? It's clowns like that who cost our city $$$$.
NO ONE voted FOR him getting a pension, they voted to table the issue.........big differnece!
SCC, THOUGH THE SHIELDS VIDEO WAS AWESOME, I THINK YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY TAKE SOME OF THE CREDIT FOR YOURSELF. IF YOU HAD NOT PROVIDED THE LINK TO THE VIDEO, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE OVER 7,000 HITS. SCC + SHIELDS STOPPED RON HUBERMAN.
HOWEVER, YOUR SUPPORT FOR ROBBINS IN THE POST IS BULLSHIT. THE ELECTED POLICE REPS AT THE BOARD, HAUSER (RETIRED), MALONEY (LT.'S) AND LAZZARO (SGT.'S) ALL VOTED TO DEFER THE MATTER THOUGH THEY HAD THE MAJORITY BECAUSE A CITY HALL APPOINTEE ON THE BOARD WAS ABSENT THAT DAY. IF ROBBINS HAD ONE OUNCE OF INFLUENCE OR CREDIBILITY, HE WOULD HAVE SHAMED THE OTHER COPS INTO DENYING THE HUBERMAN REQUEST. SORRY TO SAY, ROBBINS IS LOOKED AT AS THE COURT JESTER BY THE REST OF THE BOARD. HE IS USELESS. BUT DON'T TAKE IT FROM ME. GO TO A PENSION BOARD MEETING AND SEE IT WITH YOUR OWN EYES.
OT, but saw on campaign handout that says our FOP treasurer get $2k a month after beeing kicked out of the office. WTF? What for? Is this shit true? FOP? Answers? Anyone? Time to start attending some meetings.
Lazzaro is a good guy and will vote to deny Huberman. A room full of cameras is not the place to do it. Lazzaro is the only one who voted against the Vannecko-Davis deal.
Sgts, vote for Lazzaro.
POs, vote for Shields.
(OT) Will any news paper or cowardly news station take a vote and ask if the people want the olympics, and show how much we will have to pay to get that shit here! I know daley wants it bad to help his friends and family, plus the 50 weak kneed idiots also so then can cash in, but do the voters who pay taxes want it? I think you would get a resounding NO! daley is hiding billions in cash for this then crying broke and laying off city workers without clout! is anyone ever going to indict daley and his criminal empire??
whats wrong with the cta pension?
He'll just wait for a quiet time to "sneak in".
WTF! I just read the Sin-Times and the FLOP is getting credit for stopping Huberman? WHAT?!?! What a fucking joke. Donohue was not at the pension board and didn't do a damn thing except write a letter AFTER it was all over. And he gets credit for stopping Huberman? Mike Shields and SCC are the only ones who deserve credit from bringing Huberman's bullshit into the light of day.
Go Shields!!!!!
Retired Guy READ THIS:
We're saving you a lot of embarrassment and abuse by deleting your posts. We're going to try to correct you here:
Mike Shields, the Deputy Superintendent, is not running for anything. He is Michelle Obama's cousin, he is the subject of an unknown number of CR complaints by a certain gender of officer.
Mike Shields, the PO, is running for pension board rep and was the instigator of an amusing confrontation vs Ron Huberman. He is running on the Patrol side - you cannot vote for him! You can only vote for the retiree representative. Just like Sergeants can only vote for the Sergeant Rep and Lieutenants and above can only vote for their rep.
Also- they did not vote for Huberman to get the pension- they voted to table it- to consult with attorney-you goof! A prudent thing to do!
10/18/2008 09:36:00 AM
Listen jerk off. Those a-holes have all been on the board for years and voted for and against any number of applications without "defering" to consult with a lawyer. Their lawyer was right there in the room. It's a cop out and a lie! Vote them ALL out.
Yeah see if you newfound hero Mike throws you a benefit for your 30 days pending for insubordination. More than likely he'll throw you under the bus along w/ your pension.
Vote Robbins, the Devil you know is better that some Political Hack who will STAB you in the Back.
10/18/2008 09:44:00 AM
Good thing this shit is anonymous or this poster would've been psyched already.
AMEN!!! Now whats next my friend is Dan Shields (mikes brother) will be accusing you of being robbins and or caparelli and certainly call you out, while making another plug for his brother remember danny boy we will be watching you!!!
10/18/2008 10:47:00 AM
I doubt you would have the balls to talk that shit in person, pussy. Shields stepped up. You never would, girlfriend.
Seeing Shields talk in roll blew me away on how much money is being controlled by the nephews of the mayor. Get on that board and stop him Shields. If they fire you for bs, we'll riot.
who is we? Mike and Dan Shields? DO NOT VOTE FOR MIKE SHIELDS!!! I DONT CARE WHO YOU VOTE FOR...VOTE FOR HOMEY THE CLOWN BUT DO NOT VOTE FOR MIKE SHIELDS!!! HE KEEPS WRITING PRAISE FOR HIMSELF ON THIS BLOG AND ANYONE PATTING THEMSELVES THAT HARD CERTAINLY WILL NOT HAVE TIME FOR THE PENSION BOARD!!!
As i watched Robbins in roll call, I wondered if the guy could possibly balance a check book on his own, let alone guard our pension. A shame.
Why would Shields be fit for FOP president? Is it his 4 years on the job? (THATS RIGHT FOLKS 4 YEARS!!!) Is it the 3 4 hour long seminars he took at a building on NU campus that he claims makes him NU educated??? Is it all his ass kissing experience??? Im not sure, Mike, why you continue to post over and over again how great you are... because I have worked with you in 018 and the truth is you ARE A HUGE FUCKING ASS CLOWN!!! And you are NOT qualified to be anything other than a midnight dork in 019 get fucked!
That youtube video had 7,000 views. Incredible. You got my vote and a pat on the back kid! You're the talk of the town!
As noted here and elsewhere, the Patrolman Representative Steve Robbins was the only one of eight board members to vote against tabling Huberman's claim
Say what you want....... but Mike Shields, did more in that youtube video then all the whining and bitching here on the blog. He has brass balls. And i dont even know him. I did go through the academy with his brother. And say what you want. We knew he was a bosses kid, but on the other hand he caught ALOT of shit because of that in the academy for that and his many tattoo's.
He toughed it out like everyone else and was a TARGET, not a clout baby. ~waves at Dan~ and says hello to you from afar. And applauds you and your brother for standing up for the boys and girls in blue.
Vote Shields and stay safe out there boys and girls.
I worked with Dan Shields in 014 and all this talking shit is typical computer tough guy shit. I guarantee you wouldn't call him out in person. Trust me he is a gentle giant that would go out of his way to help another copper. It's obvious to me other candidates feel threatened at the amount of people that are actually voting this election. So say what you want SHIELDS stepped the fuck up!
mark speak up more for the membership, how is that cr you got on j-fed doing for speaking out for barry obama?
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Don't kid yourselves...MD is on friendly terms with J-Head. I don't give a shit what the reason was or that he told the membership about it.........YOU DO NOT MEET THE ENEMY FOR COFFEE!!!!
Why would Shields be fit for FOP president? Is it his 4 years on the job? (THATS RIGHT FOLKS 4 YEARS!!!) Is it the 3 4 hour long seminars he took at a building on NU campus that he claims makes him NU educated??? Is it all his ass kissing experience??? Im not sure, Mike, why you continue to post over and over again how great you are... because I have worked with you in 018 and the truth is you ARE A HUGE FUCKING ASS CLOWN!!! And you are NOT qualified to be anything other than a midnight dork in 019 get fucked!
10/18/2008 09:09:00 PM
Listen up Commander Georgas you Daley suckhole. Mike has 8 years on the job. You're just jealous because people actually like Mike and everyone hates your clouted ass.
Why would Shields be fit for FOP president? Is it his 4 years on the job? (THATS RIGHT FOLKS 4 YEARS!!!) Is it the 3 4 hour long seminars he took at a building on NU campus that he claims makes him NU educated??? Is it all his ass kissing experience??? Im not sure, Mike, why you continue to post over and over again how great you are... because I have worked with you in 018 and the truth is you ARE A HUGE FUCKING ASS CLOWN!!! And you are NOT qualified to be anything other than a midnight dork in 019 get fucked!
10/18/2008 09:09:00 PM
Shields put his ass on the line and did something good for us. The only thing you've ever done is put your ass in the air and bite down hard on the pillow.
To 9:31 ,He blew you away with a lie.Vanecko owns 49% of a Real Estate fund that was awarded a total of 15 million(of the Funds 200 million in R.E.) by C.P.D. Pension Fund.So far they have only drawn 4 of the 15,however "63 million!" gets more attention .He wouldnt print that, or did he? The first 5 letters in trustee are TRUST.
ATTENTION ATTENTION MIKE SHIELDS AND DAN SHIELDS ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR 95% OF THE POSITIVE SHIELDS FEEDBACK HERE THIS IS THE OBAMA SYNDROME MAKE EVERYONE THINK SHIELDS IS A HANDS DOWN WINNER SO YOU AUTOMATICALLY VOTE FOR HIM OR DONT BOTHER TO VOTE AGAINST HIM EITHER WAY A VOTE FOR SHIELDS IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!
Lazzaro is a good guy and will vote to deny Huberman. A room full of cameras is not the place to do it. Lazzaro is the only one who voted against the Vannecko-Davis deal.
Sgts, vote for Lazzaro.
Whats the difference? Cameras or not, the vote is public record anyway. Lazarro went to roll calls and stated that it was a done deal, and he could not stop it. I don't like the other guy, but Lazzaro is in with short shanks. He should have voted to deny in our best interest.
AMEN!!! Now whats next my friend is Dan Shields (mikes brother) will be accusing you of being robbins and or caparelli and certainly call you out, while making another plug for his brother remember danny boy we will be watching you!!!
10/18/2008 10:47:00 AM
I really love this blog with the exception of this kind of crap. A copper takes a chance and does something good for all of us. His reward is being torn down by other coppers who would never get off their asses to go do a fucking thing. We are truly our own worst enemy.
ATTENTION ATTENTION MIKE SHIELDS AND DAN SHIELDS ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR 95% OF THE POSITIVE SHIELDS FEEDBACK HERE THIS IS THE OBAMA SYNDROME MAKE EVERYONE THINK SHIELDS IS A HANDS DOWN WINNER SO YOU AUTOMATICALLY VOTE FOR HIM OR DONT BOTHER TO VOTE AGAINST HIM EITHER WAY A VOTE FOR SHIELDS IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!
Go hide behind your anonymous computer you little house mouse. What have you done for another copper in your life. Shields is a solid kid that is genuine. It's shameful to see people bash on this blog. Talk about the relevant topics and a candidates actions, not this hearsay crybaby nonsense.
Back your shit up.
OT, but saw on campaign handout that says our FOP treasurer get $2k a month after beeing kicked out of the office. WTF? What for? Is this shit true? FOP? Answers? Anyone? Time to start attending some meetings.
CAPPARELLI KICKED OUT AND FIRED BY MARK D. CAPPARELLI DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR WORK. TRUE. I'LL BET THE BOARD MOTIONS TO REMOVE CAPPARELLI'S PAY IF DONAHUE BRINGS THIS UP.
HIS RUN FOR OFFICE HERE IS JUST TO SPITE MARK DONAHUE.
To 9:31 ,He blew you away with a lie.Vanecko owns 49% of a Real Estate fund that was awarded a total of 15 million(of the Funds 200 million in R.E.) by C.P.D. Pension Fund.So far they have only drawn 4 of the 15,however "63 million!" gets more attention .He wouldnt print that, or did he? The first 5 letters in trustee are TRUST.
10/19/2008 09:31:00 AM
Dear Trustee Robins: Please explain why it's a good idea for the pension fund to be invested in real estate. Moronic. Those mortgage derivatives are going to kill us. Enough excuses.
CAPPARELLI KICKED OUT AND FIRED BY MARK D. CAPPARELLI DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR WORK. TRUE. I'LL BET THE BOARD MOTIONS TO REMOVE CAPPARELLI'S PAY IF DONAHUE BRINGS THIS UP.
HIS RUN FOR OFFICE HERE IS JUST TO SPITE MARK DONAHUE.
10/19/2008 08:27:00 PM
I'm calling bullshit. Makes no sense. If Mark the Prez fired him, why would FOP still pay him?
It certainly looks like jealousy is rearing it's ugly head with certain candidates.
You sat back and hoped that people without doing any work would just vote for you. Then a candidate risks himself by exposing the truth and gaining some attention through different media outlets.
So what does a candidate do now? Simple you start with the personal character assassination and blatant lies to build your platform. Fortunately readers on this blog are smart creatures and can smell bullshit a mile away. So say what you want Mr. Robbins and Mr.Capperelli. But do not underestimate the readers into buying into your propaganda for a minute. You both are scrambling and frightened about this election. Just remember gentlemen it usually boils down to one question "What have you done for me lately"? And the answer would be nothing.
So cut the personal attacks and count on your voting history or F.O.P. position(prior to you being fired) where you have been able to have helped the men and women of this Department out. We fortunately have this blog to inform Officers and express opinions and keep 35th Street bosses on the up and up.
To 9:30 pm,R.E. Funds as opposed to equity markets continue to generate income.
2008 is one of the most violent years the CPD family has seen in recent memory. Shouldn't we feel just a little bit of loyalty towards each other and be able to see through the bullshit? I mean we're fucking CHICAGO Coppers for Christ Sake!
I'd still do anything for another copper and I know there are still enough of us out there to believe that a 'brotherhood' exists in our ranks.
That being said I just think that its time we recognize ACTION and not the same old In-ACTION we are accustomed to. Admittedly, I know dick about the pension situation other than the what the almighty blog has informed me of as well as the visit to roll call from candidate Shields and I saw Robbins passing out pens but missed his visit to roll call cuz I was running late.
The bottom line is the kid Shields put himself out there in a department that rewards being a "yes" man... he said "NO" Loudly in a public setting ans showed more balls that any of our already elected officials. Win or lose he took a chance and so should we! My vote is in the mail for Mike Shields and I wish him well.
PPARELLI KICKED OUT AND FIRED BY MARK D. CAPPARELLI DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR WORK. TRUE. I'LL BET THE BOARD MOTIONS TO REMOVE CAPPARELLI'S PAY IF DONAHUE BRINGS THIS UP.
HIS RUN FOR OFFICE HERE IS JUST TO SPITE MARK DONAHUE.
10/19/2008 08:27:00 PM
I'm calling bullshit. Makes no sense. If Mark the Prez fired him, why would FOP still pay him?
10/19/2008 09:39:00 PM
No B.S. CAparrelli ran to spite Donahue.
The bottom line is the kid Shields put himself out there in a department that rewards being a "yes" man... he said "NO" Loudly in a public setting ans showed more balls that any of our already elected officials. Win or lose he took a chance and so should we! My vote is in the mail for Mike Shields and I wish him well.
10/20/2008 05:27:00 PM
you wish yourself the best??? How does that work???
No one should forget the exempt member who prostituted himself b4 the board in support of Huberman stealing from our pension: Eugene (I never met an opportunity to make points with the mayor or any politician and I'll sell any PO down the drain to do it) Roy.
you wish yourself the best??? How does that work???
10/20/2008 09:11:00 PM
Very well, thanks.
ATTENTION ATTENTION MIKE SHIELDS AND DAN SHIELDS ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR 95% OF THE POSITIVE SHIELDS FEEDBACK HERE THIS IS THE OBAMA SYNDROME MAKE EVERYONE THINK SHIELDS IS A HANDS DOWN WINNER SO YOU AUTOMATICALLY VOTE FOR HIM OR DONT BOTHER TO VOTE AGAINST HIM EITHER WAY A VOTE FOR SHIELDS IS A VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!
10/19/2008 10:25:00 AM
No need to scream in ALL CAPS Mr. Bipolar...and for G*d sake, lay off the Jägermeister Vicodin COCKtails and close the basement door when you go downstairs for sleepy.
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