Always Carry - ALWAYS
Good lord, we hope this isn't true. From the e-mail:
- Anyway you can comment on another off-duty Police Officer who was about to be assassinated on the street by two thugs after finding his star in his pocket (16 Nov 08, approx 0300 hrs in 025)? The Officer was pistol whipped and almost shot in the head for being a "cop", but was saved by his girlfriend who kicked the gun out of the second offenders hand. This hero girlfriend save the PO's life with her quick reaction. Can we comment again about why PO's should always carry their weapons...... it can save your life! Not all of us have a woman like that at our side for protection!!!
First up, if true, we'd recommend marrying this girl (unless he's already married - then he'd have bigger problems). Quick, decisive action in the face of armed felons? Good job.
Second, everyone on the job is over 21. You do what you like. But we got this piece of advice years ago and it's never failed us yet - never carry one without the other - and precisely for this reason. Obviously, you don't want to run afoul of the Rules and Regulations, especially in the current climate. But then be prepared to pay full boat at the clubs, take a cab, whatever. You're Joe Citizen from that point forward. If you're carrying the star, carry the gun and stay sober and be aware you may be approached at some point to "help out" because you fronted yourself out as a cop.
With the star, you are a target. Period. And a target without the means to defend itself or the people the target is with is no good to anyone. Especially if it all goes bad. Then you aren't just not defending yourself, you're leaving the people who relied on you to provide for them in a really bad spot.
Second, everyone on the job is over 21. You do what you like. But we got this piece of advice years ago and it's never failed us yet - never carry one without the other - and precisely for this reason. Obviously, you don't want to run afoul of the Rules and Regulations, especially in the current climate. But then be prepared to pay full boat at the clubs, take a cab, whatever. You're Joe Citizen from that point forward. If you're carrying the star, carry the gun and stay sober and be aware you may be approached at some point to "help out" because you fronted yourself out as a cop.
With the star, you are a target. Period. And a target without the means to defend itself or the people the target is with is no good to anyone. Especially if it all goes bad. Then you aren't just not defending yourself, you're leaving the people who relied on you to provide for them in a really bad spot.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
127 Comments:
29 years on the job here
Retired 32 months
Twice qualified for HR 218
i dont know why we dont carry always everywhere
And do we have to get pissy pants drunk so that we cant carry?
And why dont the new guys part with the $300 and purchase a snubby or a smaller auto than the boat anchor they carry at work?
And we dont keep our weapons clean either
I wish i could keep my house as clean as I keep my guns
Okay now Im ready for the new guys who saved the department when they got on, to tell me to go to bed and to call me an old man. Or to get an apostrophe key on my MS DOS
Like they've done in the past
If I don't pack heat, then I ONLY pack my CPD ID; No star
This was once quite the debate between my loved one and i.(More so then leaving the toliet seat up.) We went to a holiday party of her friends/co-workers and i we had a few pops. Someone saw my holster underneath my shirt. I was doing my best to hide it.(i didn't have a snubby at the time,i lost that argument.) But it came down to this. Her question "why do you always have to have your gun? My response A. Better to have it and not need it. B. I am not a criminal i am allowed to carry it. And C. If someone wants to harm me due to the nature of my job fine that is part of this job, but it is unfair to YOU that you also maybe harmed as you are in my company. One of the few i was listened to. I leave you w/ this boys and gals.
Better to be judged then carried!
Killology 101: what did we learn?
People will depend on you for their survival. You also need to prepare for your survival.
Carry: Always! drinking or not.
NEVER NEVER NEVER carry your star without your gun!!!
I have not carried my star in 2 years.
SCC, are you on furlough or something? This is the second Officer Safety Alert issued that you haven't been up on. First one was the Gang members targeting PO's house with FOP stickers on the cars outside the houses. Now this.
There are named offenders in this incident.
They found the car used in this incident on the 4400 blk of Cortez.
I've been off for the past 2 days. So the offenders possibly could be in custody.
Wow, that story sounds like total BS to me ... but I apologize to those involved if I'm mistaken.
I don't leave my house without my star, pistol, handcuffs, pepper spray, and cell phone. I buy jackets with extra pockets, such as my winter Sig Saur concealed carry coat, which Sig sells on-line. People can't tell I'm the police off-duty, but I'll be dammed if I not prepared to take action if I deem it necessary. I'm not going to be a victim or see decent people victimized in front of me. I beleive the shit going to get worse before it get better.
Better to have it and not need it,then need it and not have it.
Always carry? I see Police Officers at shift change leaving the station in unform unarmed! How stupid is that?
That's a true story which occured two days ago in 025. Kudos to the quick acting girlfriend who probably saved both their lives with a well placed ninja kick. The two offenders have been identified and are the subject of a current citywide alert.
What is the order on not carrying your star and just your pistol and ID???????
You never need a gun, 'til you REALLY need it.
Why would this chick marry her love? To serve and protect him? Hey, there's someone for everyone.
IT'S A MUST READ
On Sheep, Sheepdogs and Wolves
It may look long but it puts off duty carrying in perspective!
Good advice. I'm not a PO, but I carry every day in Chicago. After all, the Constitution guarantees that right to all Americans (even Chicagoans).
The only safe place to keep my tiny little Kel-Tec .380 is "on my person." It will be there if/when I ever need it.
To all PO's - keep up the good work. God bless you all.
I'd like to carry everywhere, but then again I'm not some superhero cop..I'm just a lowly citizen. Maybe one day the government will care about our rights and our safety, and let us defend ourselves.
Most people are okay with being a designated victim - I am not.
Said it before and I will say it again. I am a proud member of FOP. I have never had an FOP sticker on any of my vehicles. There is no need. Don't give the enemy the upper hand. Vasquez and Soto's murders are the perfect example of why not to broadcast who you are. Stay safe everyone...
Da Mayor does not want you to carry off duty. He does not care what the Fed law says. The are taking our right not to blow in a DUI case by admitting the administrative, look for a loop hole to prosecute you if you take action off duty and a honor student gets shot.
Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
Its also not a bad idea to carry a pair of cuffs with you as well. Restrain the savage before youre fighting for your life while waiting for the calvary to come.
PLEASE someone at least leave the IR# of these scumbags so when we get back to work we can look it up and be on the alert
They still carry snub nose revolvers? Only 5 shots? Rather have a mini Glock. Actually, a duty Glock hides well under a coat. So carry what you train with.
Im sorry to say this, I've got 13 on and am amazed as to how many of us dont carry while off duty, living in this city and seeing what goes on, you would have to be an idiot to not pack-and to carry your star? for what, as if thats going to bail you out of a fight(gun,knife,bat). They dont care if youre in uniform. This should be a lesson learned that could have been avoided. Thank God and the girlfriend everything went ok. All this does is give these thugs more balls for future encounters.
O/T but very fitting
Iraqi Hockey Player
The Chicago Balckhawks foreign scout flies to Baghdad to watch a young Iraqi play hockey in the new American sponsored league, and is suitably impressed and arranges for him to come over to the US .
The Hawks signs him to a one year contract and the kid joins the team for the preseason.
Two weeks later the Hawks are down 4-0 to the Red Wings with only 10 minutes left. The coach gives the young Iraqi the nod and he goes in. The kid is a sensation - scores 5 goals in 10 minutes and wins the game for the Hawks! The fans are delighted, the players and coaches are delighted, and the media love the new star.
When the player comes off the ice he phones his mom to tell her about his first day of NHL hockey. "Hello mom, guess what?" he says in an Iraqi accent. "I played for 10 minutes today, we were 4-0 down, but I scored 5 goals and we won. Everybody loves me, the fans, the media, they all love me."
"Wonderful," says his mom, "Let me tell you about my day. Your father got shot in the street and robbed, your sister and I were ambushed, raped and beaten, and your brother has joined a gang of looters, and all while you were having such great time."
The young Iraqi is very upset. "What can I say mom, but I'm so sorry."
"Sorry? You're Sorry? !!" says his mom, "It's your fault we moved to Chicago in the first place!"
I donot carry off duty, no star, but now thanks to SCC getting the word out as usual I will cary my snub but no badge just ID card. The shit seems to be getting worse!
question for the older guys????? i got on not too long ago, is a snub the smallest gun we can carry offduty(officially) and 2nd do we have to qualify with it aswell even though it would not be a primary weapon???? 3 about how much does a new one go for??? thx....
Well, I don't have an American Express card so the one thing I don't leave home without is a firearm!!
always carry, my best friend is a cop and we alternate drinking when we go out, if he wants to drink i stay on point to drive him home. if i want to get drunk he keeps his head on straight.....but always carry, if we could get these bullshit nanny laws off the books id carry too...but hey what can i say
Its my American Express: I don't leave home without it.
Pack Heat, Keep it clean and fresh coat of oil. You never know when the moment of truth may come.
Can you imagine how I feel when I leave my workplace (Ill. Dept. of Corrections) in uniform and I'm not allowed to carry a weapon at all?
I deal with men that will never see the outside of the concertina for the rest of their lives. They would have no problem sending their 'boys' to greet me at my home, my children's school, or at the grocery store.
I'm not hating you all for the right you have to carry and protect yourselves, but I sure wish it would extend to me.
Personally, I'm not sure that HR 218 applies to Illinois State Corrections Officers, though some Officers that I know do pack off duty. I'd hate to be the test case for the States Attorney in my county should an overzealous PO not care for me carrying a weapon in order to protect myself and family.
I drink to much to carry off duty!
Can you imagine the fear you would have when the moment comes and you say oh shit I dont have my gun on me. I wont ever have to worry about that situation.
also heard his wallet was discovered at Homan and Chicago
I think he had his gun and the offenders took it. Having your gun is one thing, but being out till 3am and getting shitfaced is another. I know the bar he was at, total gangbanger bustout bar. I will reserve judgement, but because we are the police doesnt mean we need to go out of our way looking for trouble. There are better places to go out drinking, and safer! There is definitely more to this story!!
All officers should take your immediate family members to the range and teach them firearms safety and marksmanship. If you don't you are just plain WRONG. These are weapons that could save their lives or yours one day.
NRA Life Member
not carrying off duty, is that some kind of liberal macho crap? If you dont have a weapon on you off duty, you have prolly never had a gun stuck in your face or watched as your partner was choking on his own blood. You should have a weapon on you whenever your out and about, not only for yourself but for all the sheep out there. Some of the people in this town rely on us. Sometimes calling 911 first is not an option. The problem comes when everyone can tell you have a gun on you, why would you let anybody know until it was too late for them?
snethen
Anonymous said...
SCC
...Officer Safety Alert...the Gang members targeting PO's houses with FOP stickers on the cars outside the houses...
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A subject dear to my heart...I'm a retired wheel gunner today, but back when I was a young ass-kickin' Know-it-all, I had a career changing experience. Back before we had a union, there was no bargaining for salary. We were told to take the measley raise the city offered,and shut-up. Being the maverick that I am, I had a bumper sticker on my car that said "POLICE DESERVE A CONTRACT".
One day while traveling on LSD, I saw a car flying up behind me. I quickly began to change lanes to give the speed racer a wide berth. Unfortunately, he did the same thing, so I headed back to my original lane, AS DID HE. Well, he almost wiped us both out after a couple of quick swerves each. We then MF'ed and whipped each other the finger, and he was gone again.
Fast forward a couple of weeks, and I'm ordered down to IAD. I was notified that a CR was filed against me for trying to run an "Anonymous citizen" off the road, Threatening him with a gun after showing him my star and Driving drunk. When notified of the date and time I realized that it was a day that I was enroute to work, and that it couldn't have been me and denied the allegations. I was told that the complainant had gotten my plate # and provided it to IAD to ID me.
Remember! This is before contracts, Officers' Rights, complainant affidavits, right to council at IAD etc. Amazing as it may sound today, I took time on that beef. IAD figured that if I hadn't waved my star & gun at the guy, why would he know I was a copper. Having denied the allegations at first, then, later, recalling the traffic altercation IAD decided I was lying. I finally realized that my bumper sticker was the only police identifier that was obvious on my car and the goof took a shot at a beef on me.
I went through all that to tell all of you young guys that even though you're proud of your career etc. stop covering your ride with hat bands and police caps in the windows. Some day it could come back and bite youin the ass.
Needless to say, to this day, I want no one to think or know that I am/or was the police. I have been in stealth mode ever since. Besides, even coppers think you're a jag when they see the hatband on the mirror!
rc
We have police officers, house painters and teachers that are police officers. Some of you are going to understand this and some of you are not. Those who dont understand will learn this training lesson the hard way.
If I don't pack heat, then I ONLY pack my CPD ID; No star
11/19/2008 12:59:00 AM
Then you better hope that he does not look in wallet as he robs you. Get good life insurance.
better be judged by 12 than carried by 6. i carry 100% of the time. to many times i'm out with the family or even alone and i run into pieces of shits that i put away. at the restaurant, shopping or at the gas station. the more police work you do, the more enemies you make. more the police that say, "i leave my gun at home when i'm off the clock", you're either a complete moron, didn't put many bad guys away or both.
NEVER NEVER NEVER carry your star without your gun!!!
I have not carried my star in 2 years.
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Can you carry the police ID and your gun without the badge?
To twenty nine years and a day, I hope your retirement is also twenty nine years and a day. You have much wisdom to share.
I never leave home w/o something even if it the snubby jammed in a pocket. X2 when traveling
I think if this is in fact true, someone needs to put his girlfriend in for some type of award. Surely the department honors citizens who go above and beyond to help an officer. If not, she still needs to be recognized. It's nice to see someone who isn't a police officer or in the military that has the proper mindset to defend themselves and others.
Dont carry the bread if you aint got the butter.
I cannot believe the comments on POs who don't carry off duty.
First off, any cop worth their salt sees things others don't. God forbid you see something and cannot take action, or get into a situation where people know who you are and expect your to respond.
Get an ankle holster or something that holds a weapon inside of your pants. Learn how to carry concealed. I don't get the newer officers of today; they either don't carry off duty, or walk around off duty with their star around the neck and shirt pulled up over a duty-size firearm.
With only 18 years on the job I am really wondering where it is going???
Carrying off duty kept me from getting my ass kicked or worse at least twice. Had nothing to do with having my star on me. As to carrying off duty--don't leave home without it.
When can the wives/girlfriends start to carry to? You are obviously being targeted for who you are, not to mention we have to live here and our children go to school in this city.
I hope this PO sues the city for putting his life in danger 24/7.
-Wife of a cop
Buttons don't do shit without the bomb!
Always carry a snub and never carry a Star. Keep your Dept. ID well buried in your wallet.
Carry off duty with my photo ID,have'nt had the star in my wallet for quite a few years,never been a problem.
I always carry a .45 and I almost never drink. Sometimes when having dinner with the girlfriend at a fine restaurant, she will have a glass of wine and I want a beer but I think no, it's just my luck to get busted so I stick to root beer. Kind of sucks because I consider myself an adult and knowing one beer could cost me my job I just don't drink. We are bastard children of a bastardized department, we might as well all dye our hair red and call ourselves stepchildren.
J-Fed and Mayor Daley does NOT want us carrying our guns off duty!
These people fought long and hard against HR-218 and still lost! That is the backing we have from City hall and HQ.
Not to mention J-FED hates alcohol even though it is a legal product to buy anywhere and wishes Prohibition was still in effect!
I still wonder why anyone would lock these animals up because if we do anything to them, the City is quick to settle with them instead of fight them on our behalf!
Anonymous said...
I think he had his gun and the offenders took it. Having your gun is one thing, but being out till 3am and getting shitfaced is another. I know the bar he was at, total gangbanger bustout bar. I will reserve judgement, but because we are the police doesnt mean we need to go out of our way looking for trouble. There are better places to go out drinking, and safer! There is definitely more to this story!!
11/19/2008 12:32:00 PM
From a guy who WAS there on scene he did not have his gun taken and he was not at a bar period. If you dont know any of the facts keep you mouth shut goof.
WHAT IF???????????????
question for the older guys????? i got on not too long ago, is a snub the smallest gun we can carry offduty(officially) and 2nd do we have to qualify with it aswell even though it would not be a primary weapon???? 3 about how much does a new one go for??? thx....
11/19/2008 10:21:00 AM
You could probably get a 15oz, .38spl+P Smith & Wesson Model 638 for about $500, or for around $900, the ultimate in light weight, a 12oz, scandium/titanium alloy Model 360PD, which supports .357 loads for you old-school, fuck the ammo general orders, strong wristed types out there.
A range guy explained to me that since I came on with a semi-auto, a snub would count as an auxiliary gun, and have to be registered every year, just like any of Joe Citizen's guns. To be entirely kosher, the current department interpretation is that you have to qualify with any gun you might want to carry, on or off duty. So if you're the kind of loon who carries around two SIG P226s, you have to qualify with both.
I went and picked up a 9mm Glock 26 for off-duty. 20oz unloaded, twice as many bullets, more range, less recoil, and a lot more stopping power than a .38spl+P snub. It also counts as an alternate duty gun, so I don't have to register it every year. Law enforcement price is $428 before tax at GAT Guns with a certifying statement. It's not as small as a snub, but I feel a lot more comfortable shooting it.
See if there's any coppers you can go to the range with and try out their guns, or go to a store like GAT with a range where you can rent guns.
"Can you carry your gun with just your ID? (Dept. issued ID)
YES, YES, YES!!!
Your star is only part of your uniform and is not for identification purposes. Carrying you gun with just your star and no ID can get you in trouble. Again your star means nothing.
You department ID is the only thing that legaly identifies you as a Police officer and AUTHORIZES you to be armed. NOT YOUR STAR.
I have locked up two armed offenders who were in possesion of a stolen or lost star but had no ID. If you have some one in possesion of a star from any PD with no ID. Cuff them until you can find out if they are infact the Police.
Star, ID and gun = OK
ID and gun = OK
Star and gun = UUW
He did not have his gun with him, it was NOT taken away from him. He was NOT at a bar. Keep your mouth shut if you don't know what you are talking about.
I'm retired and just got my "Crazy old man can carry a gun card" today. Like American Express don't leave home without it.
Speer Gold Dot .38 spl.+P 135 grain hollow point "For short barrel pistol" marked on the box. Item #23921. Special powder, reduced flash, good expansion. NYPD had a hand in developing this one. Another one supposed to expand real good in the snub is the old "Chicago load", a 158 grain lead hollowpoint +P with no jacket on the bullet. Corbon DPX or "powerball" hollow points also work well in the snubs !
"They still carry snub nose revolvers? Only 5 shots? Rather have a mini Glock. Actually, a duty Glock hides well under a coat. So carry what you train with.
11/19/2008 09:59:00 AM"
How bad of a shot are you?
"3 about how much does a new one go for??? thx....
11/19/2008 10:21:00 AM"
Colt DS. 6 shot w/transfer bar.
Used, not a collectible, maybe under $400.
New, up to $600, give or take.
Shop around.
Hi People, Missy here again.
And no people, I am still very sick and an bedridden due to what my soon to be no-husband Lawyer Ira did to me.
I cannot believe not one person called and asked how I was doing. I think because of the love I have for our beloved mayor.
When I came on the job 23 months ago, my uncle Tom Byrne, (rtd) bought me my 9mm. My uncle Tom had the range people help after school I finally passed the shooting qualifaction.
I do not like guns at all. In the winter months, I do not carry one so I can "pack" more ticket books to write.
People !!! You should be more concerned about helping the mayor get out of debt then buying guns.
Try carrying and writing ten ticket books people. Then maybe our great mayor can give us a raise that we do not deserve. Try packing a ticket book you slugs. All you care about are yourseves people.
Sad Missy -018 district
(parking ticket guru)
question for the older guys????? i got on not too long ago, is a snub the smallest gun we can carry offduty(officially) and 2nd do we have to qualify with it aswell even though it would not be a primary weapon???? 3 about how much does a new one go for??? thx....
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I've had a S&W 642(snub) for a while and it's served me well but I'm switching to a glock 26/27 or Subcompact xd. Not much bigger but a lot better, night sights, higher capacity, more effective ammo etc.
A glock will cost u around $500 a 642 $357 at shore. Don't really know if we can carry anything smaller like a .380 now with the new weapons orders. Call the range guys on that one.
"...prolly...
11/19/2008 12:59:00 PM"?
You mean 'probably'?
I know the b and the a aren't close to one another, but, barring an issue with arthritis, or those painful hand cramps that you get from over-spanking the monkey, could you try to spell the word correctly, just once?
Humor me on this one.
Anonymous said...
question for the older guys????? i got on not too long ago, is a snub the smallest gun we can carry offduty(officially) and 2nd do we have to qualify with it aswell even though it would not be a primary weapon???? 3 about how much does a new one go for??? thx....
11/19/2008 10:21:00 AM
Anyone else think this is posted by someone who is fishing?
"I'd hate to be the test case for the States Attorney in my county should an overzealous PO not care for me carrying a weapon in order to protect myself and family.
11/19/2008 11:08:00 AM"
Which would you hate more, the scenario you described or the one that the SCC article described?
11/19/2008 12:59:00 PM
Can you use the words "liberal" and "macho" in the same sentence?
Some of you guys are real goofs with the stories and information you put on this blog that the general public reads. Some of the stuff should be for coppers only and you should when to shut the fuck up. Come on people use a little common sense.
Anonymous said...
question for the older guys????? i got on not too long ago, is a snub the smallest gun we can carry offduty(officially) and 2nd do we have to qualify with it aswell even though it would not be a primary weapon???? 3 about how much does a new one go for??? thx....
11/19/2008 10:21:00 AM
Don't answer, this person is not CPD!!!
Anonymous said...
...God forbid you see something and cannot take action...
11/19/2008 02:43:00 PM
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HELLOOOOOO????
Do you still think the Dept. wants you cowboyin' around off-duty. Everytime coppers get into shit off-duty, the city gets sued. I think it is becoming painfully obvious that the city is perfectly willing to pay out $$$ to the lawyers & pos while firing you for any discretion they can hang on you. Protect yourself but f**k trying to do extra stuff for a mayor or J-Fed who don't appreciate you doin' them in the first place!!!!!
Oh, and Daley sucks yak penis!
rc
Anonymous said...
Wow, that story sounds like total BS to me ... but I apologize to those involved if I'm mistaken.
11/19/2008 01:52:00 AM
READ THE CASE REPORT. YOU ARE LIVING IN A BUBBLE. SAD TO THINK YOU MAY SERVE ON A JURY ONE DAY AND YOUR LACK OF ANY SENSE WOULD SET A CONVICTED VIOLENT OFFENDER FREE. YOUR OPINION SUCKS!!! I KNOW YOU ARE NOT PO! YOU WOULD BACK A CRIMINAL BECAUSE YOU DONT THINK ANYONE IS BAD OUT THERE!!!
Good Advice from Second City.
There was an article I read several years ago in a national police magazine about an off duty police who was killed during a robbery of a hair salon in New York City. The cop was there with his girlfriend while she was getting her done, and one guy stormed into the salon with a pistol and ordered everyone on the floor while he ransacked the hair salon. The off duty police officer had his badge, but not a pistol, so he was lying there quietly. As the robbery was taking place, another woman in the salon who knew the guy was a cop yelled out "Hey...you're a cop...do something!" The robber then walked over to the off duty cop, and found his badge in his pocket. The robber immediately shot the officer (killing him), and left the store. Who knows how that horrible event would have been different if the cop had his pistol with him. The magazine article closed with the advice of always carrying your service weapon (and/or another pistol) with your badge at all times, and not leaving one or the other at home.
I think he had his gun and the offenders took it. Having your gun is one thing, but being out till 3am and getting shitfaced is another. I know the bar he was at, total gangbanger bustout bar. I will reserve judgement, but because we are the police doesnt mean we need to go out of our way looking for trouble. There are better places to go out drinking, and safer! There is definitely more to this story!!
11/19/2008 12:32:00 PM
Stop making bullshit comments when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. He wasn't carrying his weapon. NO WEAPON. The bad guys did not take it--they had their own. They took his wallet and cell phone and dumped those latter. He was NOT at a "gangbanger bustout bar", he was at a private party. So "reserve judgment" all you want (and by the way, learn how to spell it). And keep your fucking mouth shut until you know the facts.
just a question. I, like many of us, and unlike many of us, go to the gym daily. What am i supposed to do with my pistol when im benching or on a treadmill? Any great ideas? And dont tell me a fanny pack, if i want to look like a fucking fruitcake i will go to the northside to work out. I cant leave my gun in the locker, what if a shithead breaks in to it? My fault agian! Im not going to sit on a fucking machine in the gym with my shit hanging out I mean thats just flat out stupid! So any great ideas geniuses?
To those who ask
CPD doesnt or at least didnt require the carrying of the star off duty.
Besides carrying it will only increase the chances that it gets lost
And it doesnt have your photo on it so who knows whose it is?
leave it on your coat in your locker where the on duty W/C is responsible for the station house security (per G.O.)
As for carrying your gun
ALWAYS
As for decorating your car with FOP stickers and hat bands
NEVER
Stay safe and sober
"Hi People, Missy here again.
And no people, I am still very sick and an bedridden due to what my soon to be no-husband Lawyer Ira did to me.
I cannot believe not one person called and asked how I was doing. I think because of the love I have for our beloved mayor.
Sad Missy -018 district
(parking ticket guru)
11/19/2008 07:45:00 PM"
No, Missy, it's not that at all.
It's either:
1. believe it or not, some people just tend to mind their own business
2. a few have faith that your super human powers will protect you from all harm
3. a handful just don't give a shit, miserable fucks that they are
4. many don't believe you can be ill, being one of the mayor's favorites and, thus, blessed by his holiness' miraculous fingertips, you know, the sticky ones
5. as insanely ridiculous as it sounds, there are people who don't know that you exist
6. Ira has made it clear that no one is to contact you, in any way, much like Drew did, a bit before Stacy 'ran away'.......
7. the rest can't stand the pain of seeing you, or even thinking of you, in such a heart breaking condition.... the pussies
While you rest up, during your recovery, watch a lot of Ellen and consider the fact that there are alternatives to putting up with a beast for a partner.
Anonymous said...
Some of you guys are real goofs with the stories and information you put on this blog that the general public reads. Some of the stuff should be for coppers only and you should when to shut the fuck up. Come on people use a little common sense.
11/19/2008 09:03:00 PM
I AGREE ! THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE!
I too, am often asked by some uninformed individuals why I carry a firearm when I'm "off-duty". My response is always the same....In Case I Have To KILL Someone. If they need further clarification I explain that killing someone with your bare hands can be very messy and the likelihood of success is considerably less certain then with a firearm.
Question--does your department restrict you all to one make/model of firearm, or is it a matter of personal preference?
10 PM
Place your concealed firearm(s) in a duffle bag on the floor right in front of the treadmill or beneath the weight bench. If you have to use the bathroom, etc., the duffle bag goes with you.
I reside and work out on the North Side and I've never been accused of being "a fucking fruitcake", genius.
just a question. I, like many of us, and unlike many of us, go to the gym daily. What am i supposed to do with my pistol when im benching or on a treadmill? Any great ideas? And dont tell me a fanny pack, if i want to look like a fucking fruitcake i will go to the northside to work out. I cant leave my gun in the locker, what if a shithead breaks in to it? My fault agian! Im not going to sit on a fucking machine in the gym with my shit hanging out I mean thats just flat out stupid! So any great ideas geniuses?
11/19/2008 10:00:00 PM
FYI I carry all my stuff in my gym bag and I carry it w/me everywhere I go,on the bench its next to me, im on a machine its next to me, im on the shitter (yes I wash my hands) its by me, and I dont put shit in a locker, in case of theft. Peace of mind and you get used to it.
"Question--does your department restrict you all to one make/model of firearm, or is it a matter of personal preference?
11/19/2008 10:41:00 PM"
Are you considering putting in an application?
If not, why do you ask?
"So any great ideas geniuses?
11/19/2008 10:00:00 PM"
Do you have a basement?
And a few bucks to spare to set up the basics, ie., bench, floor mat, pull up bar, etc.?
It doesn't take a fully equipped gym to stay in shape, not even close to one, just a thoughtful workout routine.
Unless you're addicted to the social aspects of 'going to the gym', you'll get more done, in less time, by working out alone.
9:22 PM
Your probably referring to the shoot-out in a Brooklyn beauty salon in 1994.
If so, your details are incorrect. Off-duty MOS Arlene Beckles was having her hair done in the salon when three armed men entered and announced a robbery.
After one had placed his gun to her head, it misfired and Officer Beckles shot and killed 2 of the 3 while the third robber was collared later.
God made man, but Sam COLT made all men equal!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
just a question. I, like many of us, and unlike many of us, go to the gym daily. What am i supposed to do with my pistol when im benching or on a treadmill? Any great ideas? And dont tell me a fanny pack, if i want to look like a fucking fruitcake i will go to the northside to work out. I cant leave my gun in the locker, what if a shithead breaks in to it? My fault agian! Im not going to sit on a fucking machine in the gym with my shit hanging out I mean thats just flat out stupid! So any great ideas geniuses?
11/19/2008 10:00:00 PM
I started working out at the academy gym. Before or after work. I know, It sounds like a pain in the ass, especially if you are not close, but I got used to it.
just a question. I, like many of us, and unlike many of us, go to the gym daily. What am i supposed to do with my pistol when im benching or on a treadmill? Any great ideas? And dont tell me a fanny pack, if i want to look like a fucking fruitcake i will go to the northside to work out. I cant leave my gun in the locker, what if a shithead breaks in to it? My fault agian! Im not going to sit on a fucking machine in the gym with my shit hanging out I mean thats just flat out stupid! So any great ideas geniuses?
Sure, keep a workout bag with you, locked if possible and keep it within arms reach the entire time, while benching, keep it by your leg etc. I agree you will look like a complete pillow biter that hands out free passes to your ass if you wear a fanny pack....hahahaha
OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICER WAS ATTACKED BY GANGBANGER IN 17th DIST LAST WEEK, seem that these offduty confrontations with shitheads are becoming more frequent. WATCH OUT these shit heads are becoming more bold.
just a question. I, like many of us, and unlike many of us, go to the gym daily. What am i supposed to do with my pistol when im benching or on a treadmill? Any great ideas? And dont tell me a fanny pack, if i want to look like a fucking fruitcake i will go to the northside to work out. I cant leave my gun in the locker, what if a shithead breaks in to it? My fault agian! Im not going to sit on a fucking machine in the gym with my shit hanging out I mean thats just flat out stupid! So any great ideas geniuses?
11/19/2008 10:00:00 PM
What a goof. Instead of posting this shit on the internet, if you were really the police, 1. you'd know the answer 2. if you're too stupid for #1 then atleast be smart enough to ask someone you work with or another copper not an inernet forum.....dumb ass
After reading in the FOP newsletter about Sgt R.G. down at personnel playing "GOD" and treating some of the retired and disabled like shit,meaning many retired and disabled can't get their ID and star, when is the FOP gonna go after this asshole who makes his own rules???? This guy makes it impossible for some of these old timers to get their certification to carry. These guys earned the right how about it Bella and the FOP go after this jag off and make him give these guys what they earned and deserve.
I am not CPD. In fact, I'm not any PD. I am, however, a Concealed Handgun Licensee in the State of Oklahoma. I carry at least two handguns at all times (New York reload) when I'm out and about. I carry a S&W Model 13, a Taurus 85SSUL, and/or a KelTec P32. When it's cold enough for a heavy coat, I add a S&W Model 681 to the mix. The least I carry is the Taurus 85SSUL and the KelTec P32. I keep the .357s and the .38 loaded with the Speer .38+P 135 grain GDHP. When carrying the .357s I also keep a couple of speedloaders of Remington .357 Magnum 125 grain SJHPs just in case. It's easy if you know how to dress for success.
http://theturkeyfootbrand.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-to-wear-what-to-wear.html
ECS
Ok SCC, from reading your posts you seem like you've been around policing for awhile and like an up and up guy. This is off topic but when two married PO's (not to each other) mess around, should their spouses be told? Especially when their spouses are also PO's? How can they be backed up properly and not left with their ass in the wind when they depend on them for backup out in the streets? Just your thoughts.
"The Box Chevy Phantom" says...
geez... stop complaining about "only 5 shots" in the snubnose. the main purpose is to burn a .38 caliber hole in your coat pocket or quick presentation for 1 through the pump & 2 between the tonsils... fast engagement + element of surprise to give YOU a chance to put time & space between yourself and a threat, not to do battle... that is a different thing altogether...
refer the the USMC Rules for Gunfighting* (*as adapted for CPD)
"...be polite, be professional but have a plan to kill everyone you encounter if need be."
oh yeah... off duty carry is a compact .45 with 2 reloads since the goblins and their sympathizers have gotten more brazen of late... sometimes good men (and women) have to make some funky-ass gnaw some grass.
...in the meantime, "hey y'all, the po-leece is driving in th' jets playin' chris'mas music on da loudspeaker an' wearin' santa hats!"
11/19/2008 10:00:00 PM
FYI I carry all my stuff in my gym bag and I carry it w/me everywhere I go,on the bench its next to me, im on a machine its next to me, im on the shitter (yes I wash my hands) its by me, and I dont put shit in a locker, in case of theft. Peace of mind and you get used to it.
11/19/2008 11:08:00 PM
At the gym you carry next to you! what a goof! Leave it in you car trunk genius where do you work out at? in the park in englewood?
Gentlemen-
All this talk about not carrying your star offduty and just carrying your ID card is, I hope, the talk of someone that has not been there. If your involved in a shooting off duty, one of the first things the ASA will ask is if you identified yourself and to show them your star. Not the ID Card, the star. Can you imagine pulling your ID card out of your wallet and saying something like" I put my ID card on him" as opposed to pulling out your star and saying "I put my button on him"? They will laugh their asses off at you. People, including crimninals, expect to see a badge when they encounter a policeman, not an ID card. Carry your star and your ID card together in a star case separate from your wallet. Carry NOTHING in your wallet that would indicate you are the PoPo. But most important, carry a piece off duty every single time you leave home. As they say in the commercial-"Never leave home without it". Roscoe goes with me everywhere, even when I'm walking the dog.
Signed- a guy that has been there more than once.
At the gym you carry next to you! what a goof! Leave it in you car trunk genius where do you work out at? in the park in englewood?
Hey goofball, don't you think dude would know what you're sticking in the trunk? Your car has FOP stickers and possibly a medallion on the back. I'd rather carry it in the bag as long as I'm always conscience of where it's at and that I don't inadvertantly walk away from it. Just my opinion...
Two of my neighbors are Officers, one a Lake County Deputy, One a State Police, Both keep their cars parked in their driveways. I like that, somehow I always thought it gave the badguys reason to pause if they were going to do something around my nieghborhood. Now I wonder if the officers are just putting a great big target on their houses.
--Not Police, but a friend
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok SCC, from reading your posts you seem like you've been around policing for awhile and like an up and up guy. This is off topic but when two married PO's (not to each other) mess around, should their spouses be told? Especially when their spouses are also PO's? How can they be backed up properly and not left with their ass in the wind when they depend on them for backup out in the streets? Just your thoughts.
11/20/2008 12:23:00 AM
Get a life loser
"Just your thoughts.
11/20/2008 12:23:00 AM"
Hey, an idea for a new 'reality show'.
What will they come up with next?
Always carry unless your drinking. When involved in an off-duty shooting they look at the "core" transaction if your drunk you're fucked..protect you and your family only fuck anybody else..call 911 for them
To the poster of 11/19/2008 5:58PM Y ou do not know what your are talking about! Anyone that was hiresd before 2007 can have a revolver(SNUB NOSE)and only has to register it once in their career! It is still considered a duty related firearm. And yes just like theit primary weapon, they have to qualify with it every year.As to the new kids J-Fed has ordered that they can only have Glocks. Jee I wonder who got a kick back on that decision? As for a .380 for carry, NO! Unless your Cmdr authorizes it. Guys and Gals if you have any weapon related questions PLEASE call the range staff they will answer your questions. please don't listen to "Larry the locker room lawyer!" Thanks sorry this was so long!
you do anything off duty it had better be in defense of your own property or person. all you have to do otherwise is make a phone call. if you mess up you will not be given a second chance. is it worth your career, family well being, etc... the hardest thing for any good cop to do is sit back and not take action. remember, you would take action if you knew you would be given the benefit of the doubt if it went shitty, but we all know that is simply not going to happen now.
I think he had his gun and the offenders took it. Having your gun is one thing, but being out till 3am and getting shitfaced is another. I know the bar he was at, total gangbanger bustout bar. I will reserve judgement, but because we are the police doesnt mean we need to go out of our way looking for trouble. There are better places to go out drinking, and safer! There is definitely more to this story!!
11/19/2008 12:32:00 PM
Stop making bullshit comments when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. He wasn't carrying his weapon. NO WEAPON. The bad guys did not take it--they had their own. They took his wallet and cell phone and dumped those latter. He was NOT at a "gangbanger bustout bar", he was at a private party. So "reserve judgment" all you want (and by the way, learn how to spell it). And keep your fucking mouth shut until you know the facts.
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Take your own advice and learn how to spell
Missy, "the parking ticket guru", has since been reassigned to the Hershey Highway.
10 PM
Place your concealed firearm(s) in a duffle bag on the floor right in front of the treadmill or beneath the weight bench. If you have to use the bathroom, etc., the duffle bag goes with you.
I reside and work out on the North Side and I've never been accused of being "a fucking fruitcake", genius.
11/19/2008 11:01:00 PM
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i do the same thing. keep the gun in my bag right next to me or over my shoulder when i go to the bathroom, the water fountain or when i'm walking from one machine to the next. NEVER keep the gun or your wallet or keys in the locker or in your car.
the same people who turn their noses up at snubnose .38's are the same one's who look at wheelgunners funny too...
don't knock 'em... that old crazy wheelgunner may have a couple of speedloaders of "phil sharpe's children" to sweeten a sour-ass situation...
Question for the older guys????? i got on not too long ago, is a snub the smallest gun we can carry offduty(officially) and 2nd do we have to qualify with it aswell even though it would not be a primary weapon???? 3 about how much does a new one go for??? thx....
11/19/2008 10:21:00 AM
1) NO you can carry a Mini Glock or a Sig 239 or a small approved auto..
2)You have to qualify with it every year
3)$400 new or look on the boards where you work, because everybody is trying to get rid of one at any given time....for a couple of hundred
and 4) Can't believe that nobody you work with didn't have this info for you.....Trully sad, trully sad..
Thank God they weren't mugged in 023.....the first offender would of held him down while the second did his hair!
Now...keep laughing you fool!!!
I carry 10 little batons with me. five on each hand.
Hiiiyyyyyyyaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
At the gym you carry next to you! what a goof! Leave it in you car trunk genius where do you work out at? in the park in englewood?
11/20/2008 06:46:00 AM
Leave it in your trunk??!! What are you a fucking moron?! Think about what you wrote and try and find the stupidity in it!!!
"Can you carry your gun with just your ID? (Dept. issued ID)
YES, YES, YES!!!
Your star is only part of your uniform and is not for identification purposes. Carrying you gun with just your star and no ID can get you in trouble. Again your star means nothing.
You department ID is the only thing that legaly identifies you as a Police officer and AUTHORIZES you to be armed. NOT YOUR STAR.
I have locked up two armed offenders who were in possesion of a stolen or lost star but had no ID. If you have some one in possesion of a star from any PD with no ID. Cuff them until you can find out if they are infact the Police.
Star, ID and gun = OK
ID and gun = OK
Star and gun = UUW
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THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY GOOD RESPONSE
"....I live and work out on the north side and I have never been accused of being a fruitcake...."
I wish I could say that.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
"...Can you use the words "liberal" and "macho" in the same sentence?..."
You just did.
I'm sorry Missy. He did tell me his name was Myron.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Missy---
I tried calling you, but you won't answer.
SpankDaddy
Listen to the Second Deputy--He's been there.
I too, am often asked by some uninformed individuals why I carry a firearm when I'm "off-duty". My response is always the same....In Case I Have To KILL Someone. If they need further clarification I explain that killing someone with your bare hands can be very messy and the likelihood of success is considerably less certain then with a firearm.
11/19/2008 10:40:00 PM
Easy there killa! Sounds like a typical jagoff who couldn't get laid before he was the police and now when he "accidently" leaves his shirt up displaying his gun to get attention, he has to explain in case he has to kill someone. asshole
Gentlemen-
All this talk about not carrying your star offduty and just carrying your ID card is, I hope, the talk of someone that has not been there. If your involved in a shooting off duty, one of the first things the ASA will ask is if you identified yourself and to show them your star. Not the ID Card, the star. Can you imagine pulling your ID card out of your wallet and saying something like" I put my ID card on him" as opposed to pulling out your star and saying "I put my button on him"? They will laugh their asses off at you. People, including crimninals, expect to see a badge when they encounter a policeman, not an ID card. Carry your star and your ID card together in a star case separate from your wallet. Carry NOTHING in your wallet that would indicate you are the PoPo. But most important, carry a piece off duty every single time you leave home. As they say in the commercial-"Never leave home without it". Roscoe goes with me everywhere, even when I'm walking the dog.
Signed- a guy that has been there more than once.
11/20/2008 07:24:00 AM
Listen know-it-all, if you shoot someone off duty, the likely circumstance is that the situation went down fast and you VERBALLY id yourself and commenced shooting. You are not gonna tell any boss " Dude hand his gun pointed at me and my wife and I proceeded to display my star and announce, By the order of the citizens of the state of Illinois, I command you to stop! and with my free hand I shot dude. Are you fucking serious?
Your ID card in your wallet is sufficent. The ASA is not going to hang you if you don't show a star. Self defense is self defense, yelling police or showing ID is mostly to show that you acted under the color of law, thus to protect you when the law suits start rolling in.
Signed,
Been there more than you
11/19/2008 12:32:00PM is correct - the ODPO wasn't leaving a gang-banger bar, there are no bars on the 2500blk of N. Hamlin. He was leaving a house party. He did not have his weapon - probably thanks to J-Fraud and his "zero tolerance" on off-duty drinking.
Always carry unless your drinking. When involved in an off-duty shooting they look at the "core" transaction if your drunk you're fucked..protect you and your family only fuck anybody else..call 911 for them
I carry, drinking or not; i'm not out shooting up bars but if someones tries to jack me going home etc, i'll defend myself and worry about the rest later, I can always get another job, not another life...
the ODPO wasn't leaving a gang-banger bar, there are no bars on the 2500blk of N. Hamlin. He was leaving a house party. He did not have his weapon - probably thanks to J-Fraud and his "zero tolerance" on off-duty drinking.
YOu don't need a gun to get jammed up off duty, you just need fire water...
Mr. SouthSide says---
It's funny how a girl had to bail out a north side copper.
Anonymous said...
I too, am often asked by some uninformed individuals why I carry a firearm when I'm "off-duty". My response is always the same....In Case I Have To KILL Someone. If they need further clarification I explain that killing someone with your bare hands can be very messy and the likelihood of success is considerably less certain then with a firearm.
11/19/2008 10:40:00 PM
Easy there killa! Sounds like a typical jagoff who couldn't get laid before he was the police and now when he "accidently" leaves his shirt up displaying his gun to get attention, he has to explain in case he has to kill someone. asshole
11/21/2008 10:20:00 AM
Take a pill you moron. He is stating the obvious: better to have it with you because in today's world you just don't know where violence will erupt.
"It's funny how a girl had to bail out a north side copper.
11/22/2008 10:31:00 AM"
It's even funnier how south side coppers consider 300 pound trannies to be girls.
Take a pill you moron. He is stating the obvious: better to have it with you because in today's world you just don't know where violence will erupt.
11/23/2008 05:01:00 PM
Yea, but can't you state the obvious without the melodrama of "..it's less messy than killing with your hands.."? Just tell people you carry it "just in case" and leave the rest to their imagination. I took my chill pill now go back defending your friends who make these knuckleheaded comments.
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