Tahoe Safety Issue
Someone mentioned this in a comment section, but we're understanding there's an issue with the door locks? They lock automatically when the car is in drive and don't release once the car is in park if it's running or the keys are in the ignition?
This is going to be the mainstay of our fleet? What genius ordered this feature and why isn't is disabled?
This is going to be the mainstay of our fleet? What genius ordered this feature and why isn't is disabled?
Labels: safety issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
45 Comments:
I'm not sure if this comment is regarding just the "new" tahoe's or all. The ones we have for SORT lock when put in gear and unlock when shifted into park.
I'll have to look at our Tahoe, but most modern cars have that "safety" feature. This is suppose to prevent someone from opening your door FROM THE OUTSIDE.
My Ford Explorer does the same thing (auto door lock), but I can easily open it by just pulling the door release handle.
So what is the issue with the Tahoe?
the seatbelts are height adjustable, if you are taller than 6' the seat belt sits across your neck. This is due to the fact the seat is not allowed to go all the way back because they gave the back seat so much room for those poor offenders..
It's on my personal veh. I tried to get it off. Dealer said it couldn't be done w/o ruining all kind's of other stuff. He said not to do it. Others did and had lot's of problems.That was 3 yrs ago tho
If it's like my Chevy Colorado it can be easily changed by adjusting the ignition key and pressing the odometer button a certain amount of times. If they leave the manuels in the car like they usualy do when the dept buys new cars it shouldn't be a prob. Tahoes will be bad, no pursuits, bad in snow and we are getting a lot more than u think.
Aren't the impalas the same way? You need to physically pull open the lock or hit the switch but they do not open just by pulling on the door handle. There should be a way do disable this option in the cars menu.
I'm not 100% positive on this, but I believe the power locks are programmable to allow one to disable the lockout feature if desired.
Yeah, that "feature" is on my wife's Buick, too. GM innovation at its finest (not so much!). Equivalent to daytime running lights...STUPID IDEA!
I had an '05 Tahoe for a while at a suburb PD. The doors do lock when the car is in drive. However once in park the vehicle locks did unlock on their own. Not sure if they changed that im sure if your buying 2000 of them they can fix taht problem.
Anonymous said...
Aren't the impalas the same way? You need to physically pull open the lock or hit the switch but they do not open just by pulling on the door handle. There should be a way do disable this option in the cars menu.
1/25/2009 02:43:00 AM
NO...they are not.
You can open all four doors (I have a take home unmarked Impala) even if the car is in gear.
We have done this several times before when we had to jump out after the daily special at Hot Dougs.
Or to run after a bum pissing on the fence up north.
It's a programable feature that can easily set or disabled.
I own a GM SUV.....You can disable that very easily!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT A BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Worse, they handle horribly on wet streets and are easily rolled. These vehicles only perform well in winter if they are 4 wheel drive, JFED you ass.
yeah, more nannyism.
look ! if i want my doors locked I will lock them. if someone opens my door from the outside I will consider that a hostile act !!!
- and respond accordingly.
one of my friends has a allmost 50,000.00 yukon that i cannot get out of unless i unlock the door before pulling the lever.
AND GM WOUNDERS WHY THEY ARE BANKRUPT ??????????
only a small percentage of the people are IDIOTS.
doors unlock in my personal tahoe when you put it in park or it locks in drive or you can set it to lock only when you push the button on the door.
The tahoes will lock as soon as the vehicle is put in gear. If you are sitting somewhere and the car is in gear, and you see something happening where the partner needs to get out quick, the only way to open the door is to hold the door lock in the unlock position and then pull the inside handle. This doesn't give you a free hand. On the Crown Vics, it doesn't matter whether the car is in gear or not, you pull on the inside door handle, the door will open allowing you to quickly get out. Also if you are pulling up on a situation and have pressure (pulling on) on the door handle in preparation of getting out quickly, there is a good chance that your door will not fully unlock when the driver puts the tahoe in park. At that point, you have to manually push the lock and then you can exit. Those precious few seconds could mean the difference between life and death.
These doors should have the ability to unlock and open anytime the inside door handles are pulled to open the car whether the car is in gear or not. I can agree with the back seat doors being locked but the front doors need to be changed. These and the new caprices are the only cars I have driven on this job that did that.
If these are not going to be changed, the officers on the street need to be made aware of this situation and given some kind of in-service training to address the issue.
Here an interesting point. When J fed promoted Mike McCotter to one of the Chief's of patrol, Mike went over to fleet to get a car. Fleet told him that they didn't have a car for him. McCotter then goes to see Marv Scheer about a car and is told that there are no cars available for him and that Crown Vic's cannot be purchased any longer because fleet let the contract expire. Shortly there after Scheer calls McCotter and offers to order him a new Ford Taurus. WTF
Investigation of the matter showed that fleet did indeed let the Crown Vic contract expire. As a result of the incident the city asked for targeted market bids for new Crown Vic's. A few proposals were received and opened and the lowest bidder was determined. To date the powers that be at city hall and fleet are refusing to sign the new contract with the lowest bidder. The city that works!
The standard tahoe can be fixed by using the odometer button but the police tahoes need to be reprogrammed since the odometer button doesnt have that option. Motor maintenance is working on it. The auto lock and unlock should be totally disabled.
That genious would be Dan Dugan!
I'm not 100% positive on this, but I believe the power locks are programmable to allow one to disable the lockout feature if desired.
1/25/2009 04:13:00 AM
I own a 2009 Chevy ( trying to do my part to save a sinking ship ) and yes, the feature can be turned off. It's explained in the owner's manual. I like it on my family car, but wouldn't want it on a squad car!
the seatbelts aren't height adjustable, if you are taller than 6' the seat belt sits across your neck. This is due to the fact the seat is not allowed to go all the way back because they gave the back seat so much room for those poor offenders..
1/25/2009 01:39:00 AM
Not long ago I was in the western suburbs when I saw two of those Tahoe land battleships from a suburban police department come racing around a corner lights and sirens.
O-M-G! They're gonna flip over I thought. They didn't. But that is going to happen sooner or later.
Stay safe, keep the shiney side up and the rubber side down.
It's for the children - seriously thats why they do it...
In traffic we have new explorers same thing automatic locks shitcago at its finest!
So what? The doors open from the inside even if they are locked.
Other Tahoe safety issues are the lack of their ability to traverse through snow. Be prepared to fight this vehicle when trying to drive it in the snow or on ice. The potential for roll over because of this vehicles high center of gravity will also present a significant safety issue.
Responding to an in progress or assist call has been an issue.
It is because one tends to put the Tahoe in park in an abrupt manner so to "quickly" exit the auto to get to where you want to.
What happens is out of the haste you are pulling the door handle (like you used to with the old cars) and the locking mechanism or computer memory HASN'T caught up with the ACTION!
Thus leaving you trapped or trying to push every button to disengage the lock and roll down the window and RE-place the car in park until the system works...
It takes several extra seconds ....sometimes more...
SAFETY...it should not be on an EMERGENCY RESPONDERS vehicle!!!
Rumor had it at one time.....
They got the Tahoes because they provide a wider angle for the CAMERAS that can be put inside the cab area to film CORRUPT officers.
The impalas are far to difficult to get an approriate shot of the the officers since you are so close to the dashboard....bad angles!
So Heads UP!!!
Best of luck and don't get locked in when you need to get out....!
if you try to get a jump on a guy in these p.o.s. vehicles and your partner has only their foot on the brake, then you've got to pull twice on the door handle before the lock disengages. found out the hard way two years ago. we had never been in that particular vehicle, so we didn't know. saw a known guy with a warrant, tried to jump out on him, but instead slammed my face against the passenger window because the fuckin door didn't open on the first pull. by the time i figured out this little trick, dude was two blocks away. oh well, it was a bullshit warrant anyway. good talk.
My Vic has a safety feature too... when it goes through a large puddle or sits too long idleing, it shuts off. Sometimes, it backfires, then shuts off....
Shoulda bought a FORD !
i dont care...just as long as they all have radios in them i'll be fine.
Why worry? Were you planning on getting out to do something?
cant be as bad as those chevrolet impalas that dont open when you pull the inside handle when the door is locked??
shit safety issues, how about the breaks in my car or why it pulls to the right. the drivers door lock doesnt work, the heat shield is missing under the car which melts our shoes in front, the rear defrost doesnt work, they wont replace my wiper blades, they wont recharge my a/c and they have a coat hanger holding up my tailpipe. when we down the car for repairs, they tell us their isnt any pool cars to give us so we have to stand around the station for hours until one becomes available. this department sucks
thats not a problem you can program the or disable that feature in the tahoe its real easy
just gimme a call I can tell you how ogden chevy 630 986-8000
louis m
All Police Cars should be PT Cruisers. They are the favorites in South Beach.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
So what? The doors open from the inside even if they are locked.
1/25/2009 12:37:00 PM
No, they don't! That's what we're complaining about, genius!
cant be as bad as those chevrolet impalas that dont open when you pull the inside handle when the door is locked??
That IS the way they work and that's the problem!
At least Ford car doors open, even when they're locked, by just pulling on the interior door handle. GM vehicles don't work like that. Somebody at GM needs to wake up!
1/25/2009 07:05:00 PM
Anonymous said...
It's for the children - seriously thats why they do it...
1/25/2009 11:22:00 AM
Ahh, the children... well, it DOES make sense, seeing as how 14 year olds dressed as policemen are driving around these days!!
Here an interesting point. When J fed promoted Mike McCotter to one of the Chief's of patrol, Mike went over to fleet to get a car. Fleet told him that they didn't have a car for him. McCotter then goes to see Marv Scheer about a car and is told that there are no cars available for him and that Crown Vic's cannot be purchased any longer because fleet let the contract expire. Shortly there after Scheer calls McCotter and offers to order him a new Ford Taurus. WTF
Investigation of the matter showed that fleet did indeed let the Crown Vic contract expire. As a result of the incident the city asked for targeted market bids for new Crown Vic's. A few proposals were received and opened and the lowest bidder was determined. To date the powers that be at city hall and fleet are refusing to sign the new contract with the lowest bidder. The city that works!
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you don't know what you're talking about retired emmd. Fleet tried to order Crown Vic's before the contract expired and they were canceled by j-fed. New contract is not targeted market, it was delayed by the dealers fucking up their bids and is on its way to being signed downtown but doesn't matter because j-fed wants Tahoes not cars.
You can dis-able the auto locks..takes a bit-o-brain power my children but its not too difficult
Tahoes? What the fuck are those? We have shitty pools cars in 005th dist.
At least Ford car doors open, even when they're locked, by just pulling on the interior door handle. GM vehicles don't work like that. Somebody at GM needs to wake up!
1/25/2009 07:05:00 PM
1/26/2009 12:40:00 AM
Thank you.....you're supposed to ride around with your doors locked so nobody (mentals especially) can just get in the car. But i guess when something happens and you have to get out the car as fast as possible you're supposed to take the time to unlock the door by pressing button or moving the nob then chase dude or whatever the emergency is. GMC sucks for not bieng like the Ford were you pull the handle and your out the car!!
you don't know what you're talking about retired emmd...............
Curious how this comment fails to address the Mike McCotter car issue or how Fleet allowed the Crown Vic contract to expire. We know that J-Fed wants Tahoes, but do you really think he wants his command staff in them? Do you want us to believe that Detectives and other support staff will be assigned Tahoes? I think not! The smart move would have been to extend the then current Ford contract. However, nobody ever accused Fleet of being smart! By the way, let's examine why Fleet took over the CPD/EMMD. Lover Boy, Mike Picardi, and his group of incompetents at Fleet ran over-budget every year. Fleet generated no income to be returned to the general fund and was generally an embarrassment. CPD/EMMD, on the other hand, ran under budget every year, returning that surplus back to the general fund, as well as approximately $1M in salvage and $1M in warranty reimbursement. CPD/EMMD, even with its faults, ran way better than Lover Boy's Department of Fleet Management. Picardi could not have that, so he got together with the then budget director, Bill Abolt, and engineered the takeover of the CPD/EMMD. The result is the CPD/Fleet operation we have today. So now, Anonymous, may I suggest you get down to Lover Boy's office and see if he has a spot for you in Streets and Sanitation. In other words, follow the example of your mentor, Lou Gerig Tatara!
Tahoe--------------------isn't that how you saw goodbye to a British prostitute?
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