Arbitration Opportunity
There have been a number of comments, probably by Daley drones, taunting our readers about the arbitration process ending without retro checks and zero percent raises for the next contract.
Arbitration is not without risks. But it's also a chance at something better than what was being offered. And the Arbitrator who ends up being chosen is bound by certain rules and precedents. The offer of 16.1% for 5 years was, in our opinion, horseshit. If the 50 aldercreatures who allegedly have their fingers on the financial pulse of the city felt comfortable in accepting a 6% raise for their part-time jobs, and had no qualms about giving their staffers a 5% raise, and had no trouble accepting an increase in their $1 million in "ward allowances," then we have to accept that the City IS NOT in dire financial straits.
And if the mayor is comfortable in allowing the Superintendent to keep his $310,000 after eliminating half of his duties, then we'll have to accept that the mayor is getting the most bang for his buck.
If Government collects more money than it spends, it is obligated to either (A) spend it or (B) rebate it to the tax payers. There isn't supposed to be a "rainy day fund" or some "Olympic fund" or anything like that. Contract obligations take precedence over these "funds" and must be met. So all of the City books have to be opened. Daley has sold the meters, the parking garages, the Skyway for billions and has TIF money stashed away in all sorts of accounts. That all has to be brought out into the open and it will reveal that the city is far from broke. To that end, we urge the following:
Arbitration is not without risks. But it's also a chance at something better than what was being offered. And the Arbitrator who ends up being chosen is bound by certain rules and precedents. The offer of 16.1% for 5 years was, in our opinion, horseshit. If the 50 aldercreatures who allegedly have their fingers on the financial pulse of the city felt comfortable in accepting a 6% raise for their part-time jobs, and had no qualms about giving their staffers a 5% raise, and had no trouble accepting an increase in their $1 million in "ward allowances," then we have to accept that the City IS NOT in dire financial straits.
And if the mayor is comfortable in allowing the Superintendent to keep his $310,000 after eliminating half of his duties, then we'll have to accept that the mayor is getting the most bang for his buck.
If Government collects more money than it spends, it is obligated to either (A) spend it or (B) rebate it to the tax payers. There isn't supposed to be a "rainy day fund" or some "Olympic fund" or anything like that. Contract obligations take precedence over these "funds" and must be met. So all of the City books have to be opened. Daley has sold the meters, the parking garages, the Skyway for billions and has TIF money stashed away in all sorts of accounts. That all has to be brought out into the open and it will reveal that the city is far from broke. To that end, we urge the following:
- File for arbitration first thing Monday morning. It's obvious the City has been bargaining in bad faith. Make them open the books and justify every nickel. If the teachers can get 4.5% with a 50% dropout rate and a climbing illiteracy rate, anything less for cops is ridiculous.
- File a lawsuit in Federal Court demanding the City use this stash of unaccounted money and sale of assets to fully fund the pension in accordance with State Law. Make some waves. Call Shortshanks' bluff. Make him even more miserable by pointing out his constant hypocrisy.
This is a half-assed move by a man feeling pressure. Something is crumbling in his house of cards and a few good kicks will either uncover something or collapse part of it. We are uniting in rage against a common enemy. Keep it together.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
212 Comments:
Maybe he wants F.O.P. to file for arbitration now, so that things are settled before October (Olympic location decision)... seems to me that we might as well wait it out for now.
FOP is more concerned about the next BBQ or golf outing. I predict nothing will happen as usual.
They should do all of that...........too bad they won't...........
blue shirt party.
The city was paid for the election day goings-on too, sure those funds have been added to our city coffers!!
NOT!!!
The union needs to file for arbitration now. The worst that could happen is we get a little less than they are offering now. There is also a possibility of getting a much higher raise than we ever hoped.
Let's put an end to the Daley Fiefdom. He works for the citizens. He has to show us the corporate books, along with all his secret "rainy day" accounts. He feels that he accounts to no one. It's time to end the "daley Seige" over Chicago". Even our newspapers are under his thumb. He's the behind the scenes Editor & Chief.
His is not an administration, it's a Dictatorship. Nothing good comes from this type of goverment as we have already seen.
The city is a victim of a very large criminal conspiracy operated by daley & his minions.
Where is the Federal Goverment ? They must be in Daley's pocket. I can see no other reason for them ignoring the situation in Chicago.
Close ranks and stand as one.
All joking aside,well said and written SCC!! Unfortunately there doesn't exist an "investigative journalist"that will devote their time and effort to follow da Mare's money.......
with a mumble job like fop dumbahue, we do not stand a chance. did anyone other than me catch this guy on CLTV's GML show. He knows very little of what we do out here. His inability to articulate our duties sux.
I like many others feel that our pension is in even more dire straights than what we're being told. *IF* health care coverage for those 55 and over becomes a reality for all sworn officers, there would be well over 1000 officers hitting the pension within a very short period of time. Would our fund be able to take such a massive hit?
Can any officer or group of officers file a federal lawsuit against the city to fully fund the pension or does that have to be done by the pension board itself?
Sorry... a little long but on the same page as SCC FUCK DALEY!
Today there was a disturbing article in the Sun Times that talked about how the Mayor has "pulled a proposed raise for the police off the table". The article talks about how the Mayor has decided that the city has decided that a 16% raise over 5 years is just too much in these "tough economic times". I am just writing to make you aware of the injustices, and call for an end to the love affair with this criminal we call Mayor. For those of you unaware, we have been without a contract for nearly two years! The Mayor and his cronies have repeatedly given their own raises without hesitation. The Mayor's press secretay for example, Jacquelyn Heard, was recently (2008 budget) given a raise of $12,000 to bring her salary to a whopping $172,000! Her personal staff, all 15 of them, receive annual compensation of $118,000. Some of these people, admitted the mayors office, only wrote "one or two speeches last year". $118,000 for one or two speeches? The great Mayor spent nearly $5 million in 2008 on PR firms alone to help spin his nonsense (Im sure he is not talking about the 2016 PR guy we love).
The Mayor continues, with the support of the worthless city council, to refuse to make transparent the allocation of his precious TIFs (tax increment funds). Anyone who pays taxes in Chicago knows that for years our "taxes have not been raised" yet every installment goes up due to these TIFs. There is suspected nearly a billion dollars in these TIF accounts, yet the Mayor still cries broke. The Mayor has leased the Skyway, Midway airport, several parking garages (including Millenium Park) and the parking meters in Chicago all told for over a billion dollars! Yet, somehow, he gets away with claiming the city is in financial dire straits. And then there is the olympics... I know the games are to be "privately funded" yet the Mayor has promised the city has $500 million in reserve to back the games if need be...
So between the TIFs, leasing, and the olympic budget how can he still be claiming the city is broke? Without any other income, that is nearly $2.5 BILLION the city has in its account, yet he continues to attempt to stick it to us. The Mayors office in this article stated that the "world looked differently 2 years ago" when contract negotiations began with the police department. Our union has proposed a 24% increase in pay over 5 years. This is done because routinely, the union and the city will meet in the middle. That would be a 20% raise over 5 years, or 4% per year. The rate of inflation is 3.4% nation wide. The cost of living increase average is 4% nation wide. Historically, arbitration raises our insurance responsibility which negates 2-3% of our raise. And most importantly, this prick refuses to allow us to move out of this over priced, over inflated, over taxed, over governed, over spending city!
Now I understand times are tough right now, but trust me when I say the condition of our economy has NEVER factored into our contract. When the economy was doing well, as it was up until 2006-2007, the city not once offered to give us a huge raise. Never, when times were good did I get a big fat Christmas bonus. It seems that the mayor is all of a sudden using this economy as a reason to renegotiate what is fair! Did the economy play into Jacquelyn Heards pay raise? I dont think so. So why should it come into play for people that actually work for a living? What is really sad is that this clown is getting away with it...
And lets look at the comparables. The city council, a "part time job", gave themselves a 6.2% pay raise this past year, now making $110,000+ per year! When pressed about the economic climate a year ago, several aldermen were quoted as saying "I will never give up my raise, it is part of the deal". They then gave thier staff a 5% per year raise. The mayor agreed to giving a prevailing wage increase for city carpenters, electricians, garbage men, and laborers (most of who make more annually than the police) of over 4% per year for 10 years that allows them to adjust according to what their private sector counter parts make. To put it in perspective, the guy who pumps gas into my squad car makes more than I do! CPS teachers received a 4.5% annual increase even though they are part of one of the biggest failures of our times! The CTA bus drivers recently agreed to a contract that gives them a 4% raise per year for 5 years with no raise in medical contributions! And none of them waited more than a month after their previous contract had expired to reach these deals.
I guess what Im getting at is I hope there is a little bit of outrage at what this guy is attempting to do. I cant help to wonder when the last time Jacquelyn Heard, or a city council member, or a bus driver, or a garbage man, or a laborer or EVN THE MAYOR was assaulted, spit on, had a gun put in his or her face, or killed while simply doing their job! This act by the Mayor is a huge slap in the face, an insult to me and every police officer in the city, and I just hope you can see my point. No one got into this job to break the bank... no one expects to make a 6 or 7 figure income, but we do expect what is fair. The Mayor frequently uses the phrase "you knew that when you took the job" referring to the residency requirement. We also knew that we would would have a fair contract, with annual cost of living and inflation rates met, and a pension that would be fully funded (among several other things). We as police officers have lived up to our end of the deal, eventhough the Mayor and the City refuse to live up to their end of the deal! Please, stop the love affair for this dirty politician!
It is a well-settled principle of industrial arbitration that where past practice has established a meaning for language that is subsequently used by the parties in a new agreement, the language will be presumed to have the meaning given it by past practice.
You know what I'm saying mo fo?
I believe the Olympic committee is coming here in April...We must rally and demonstrate at the visiting site.
Wayne from 603 would of had the pickets at city hall up already.
It is our right to picket the hall.
Contact cards and event numbers....nothing more.
That is the last straw.....I am on Strike
I can't belive what I read everyday!!! How does Daley get away with this?
Many of our fellow officers died this past year and in their memory I am not doing a damn thing until we get a conract and things get safer.
FYI 011th District Tact teams have been given a directed mission ending 05APR on Roosevelt Rd., specifically targeting Francisco and Roosevelt. The reason being the IOC was told that it is one of the worst corners in the city, the IOC in return is scheduled to visit Francisco/ Roosevelt on 05APR. On 20MAR I observed about 20 city workers in flourescent vests cleaning up douglas park along Roosevelt and that the park district had deposited huge piles of new mulch to redo the trees in the park as well as the vacant lots on the north side of Roosevelt (not the park, nor city property). OUR tax dollars at work. When do we go to arbitration?
FINALLY!!!
Someone is thinking. You can only mention so many times that "following the money" is the ticket to controlling abusive behavior.
What the membership should do, if FOP won't act, is to demand that enough funds are allocated to hire actuarials to decipher the City of Chicago's revenue and expenses (budget). Once deciphered, report any criminal instances that may be found (i.e. nephews, sons, etc being given millions of taxpayer and employee dollars to "play with".
Take the information gained and suggest true ways to cut spending and fix what seems to be decades of rampant corruption. Of course that means getting into politics. We need a couple of good candidates. Moving on from there, I feel it would be important, in deciphering the budget, to show who are the citizens contributing their share. ONE MORE TIME FOLKS...
DOES THE TERM: HONEST, RESPONSIBLE, LAW ABIDING, TAXPAYING, PRODUCTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY MEAN ANYTHING ANYMORE? WELL DOES IT?
HONEST
RESPONSIBLE
LAW ABIDING
TAXPAYING
PRODUCTIVE
MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY
These terms delegate CITIZENSHIP.
In exposing the budget and holding persons responsible for their criminality, greed and incompetence may start the wheels rolling toward a better community.
Continue from there to hiring contract lawyers to decipher these "leases" in which the public assets of the City have been sold to private interests. Some time ago I mentioned that if "someone" wanted to get around FOIA's, Shakman decrees and patronage army reductions, all you have to do is privatize. Point being is that, "has anyone even brought up the fact that, for example, there seems to be 400 million missing from the lease of the skyway? In totality though, HOW MANY TIMES CAN A PERSON "NOT KNOW" ABOUT HIS FAMILY, FRIENDS AND ASSOCIATES IMPROPRIETOUS FLEECING OF TAXPAYER'S RESOURCES...FROM TRUCKS TO CASH?
Anyway...not to ramble but if we just start acting together we may have a chance to make our community a better place for us and our children. Yes, I am not just talking about us as police and our raise. Who knows, maybe once the budget is exposed, we may truly not have enough money for a raise. That is a possibility and partly would become our responsibility. Tell you what though. With that information, we would be able to tighten our belts without the forays of disinformation perpetrated to the general public by those who want to maintain control.
One last question. If the mayor has been in charge for over 2 decades...who is truly to blame for our predicament? And who should accept responsibility for the stressful time that the City is experiencing? How come none of our leadership has accepted responsibility? Everyone is so outraged about AIG and there bonuses? That is nothing compared to what 50 + 1 have been doing to the fine citizens of Chicago for the past couple of decades. Wait...I need to include county, state and fed too. Phew...let's just start locally.
God bless us
Amen. What other city in America accepts at face value, what it's mayor says he does or does not have as far as money? This prick has been wasting money and feels he doesn't have to tell anyone what he is doing with money that he's received selling assets that we, the citizens, own...or at least used to until the king sold or leased them for a hundred years or so.
God Bless the officers in Oakland who lost their lives. I am retired now and realize that those of you that still serve, risk the same fate every day. It's unfortunate that you have to take that risk and get treated the way the mayor and alderthieves treat you.
Stay safe and watch each other and your 6.
Slow it down out there slow it way down!
It is time for Donahue and company to STAND THE FUCK UP and OPEN THEIR FUCKING MOUTHS and DEMAND that this city government open their financial books. How many more times is fat ass Donahue going to let this illiterate mayor treats like trash. We risk our lives ever day out on these streets and for what? A citizenry who has no respect for us. A media who mis-reports EVERY police involved incident. And a mayor who showed the world what he thinks of the men and women who do a job he would never do.
To all my brothers and sisters on the CPD, the time has come for us to bring this city to its knees. Let the animals sell their drugs and kill each other. Protect our homes and our neighborhoods and FUCK DALEY and all the rotten criminals that call themselves aldermen.
Too many big-talkers and far from enough coppers that will actually get out there at rallys, protests, etc. If any kind of anti-machine movement ever actually materializes, I will predict it will do absolutely NOTHING to help our cause. Sorry to be the buzz-kill, but it's always the same shit with this type of predicament. Sad, sad, sad.
An arbitrator will never rule on retiree health care issues. So we can forget about free medical at 55.
Here here SCC. I can speak for my unit and they are all with you and not generating shit. Its not hard to do when the tour is full of doing administrative BS all day.
Donaghue wont do shit b/c he does not want to piss off the king...
Anonymous said...
The union needs to file for arbitration now. The worst that could happen is we get a little less than they are offering now. There is also a possibility of getting a much higher raise than we ever hoped.
3/22/2009 12:19:00 AM
The City is offering NOTHING now. the City pulled their money offer off the table, that has been confirmed by Donahue.
The worst that can happen is that we get no raise. I would rather get nothing from an arbitrator than "negotiate" and further with this criminal Daley. Fuck him up his ass.
Prepare yourselves for no raise for quite some time.
Handle yourselves accordingly. Remember, it is illegal to declare a job action. The union cannot and will not advocate anything other than what is legal: informational picketing.
Individuals, however, are free to do what they wish.
Jeez, people are saying to slow down on ticket writing. If I slow down any more, I will have to stop people and get them to give me tickets back I wrote last year.
Hint to citizens who get pulled over for speeding by use of the LIDAR device: Ask for a court hearing, the judges toss them all out due to this device not being proven in court here to be reliable. Also CPD training does not meet State if Illinois standards for LIDAR.
fop is worthless. They are clueless. arbitration should be filed for first thing monday morning!
The FOP needs to stand up and get the city to show where the TIF money is TIF money is property taxes that are supposed to pay for city services that have been diverted to slush funds for daleys developer friends.
The FOP and the City are in bed together! We are fucked! You will get what they give you! No strike clause is the reason! The city does not care about work slowdowns!Plenty of day time dollies and house cats willing to play the game and generate some activity! As long as you answer the radio they will outlast us! Just ask them to use a condom when it comes time!
Idea for a bumper sticker / t-shirt:
"Daley's Chicago"
1955-1976
1989-____
Highest Taxes In The Nation
Different Dick, Same Screwing
Let Chalkie rule this summer. I will just protect one crime scene then on to the next one. I will pull over one ghetto mope a week and write him 10 tickets and impound his car. I will be doing all of us a favor before he hits a family members or us and I will keep the boss off my back. Anything else Forget about it....
It is amazing that guys with NO seniority issues are still bringing in 20-30 parkers a day.Hey old timers you are the problem,yet you bitch about everything.
The only reason Daley did this is to force us into arbitration.
He needs the contract signed by the end of September in order for the IOC to consider Chicago.
With the contact open, Chicago will NOT get the olympics.
The city is broke or close to it. Revenue projections are all BS. If we are lucky they will not go down the same road as Vallejo, California. If not, well get ready for it.
OT
I haven't seen a post regarding the fact that the city collected 1.74 million from the DNC for the election night celebration.
There sure was a lot of bitching at the time that it was another mistake by the city and the mayor to provide services for the celebration.
Do you know why the city wanted the 55 and over out? To get employees off their books. Move them to the pension fund which is in trouble but their problem not the cities. The city has to show fiscal responsibility now that they want the olympics.
WOW. Well said SCC.
And what about a nice show of force with signs protesting our beloved mayor the way he has slammed the CPD when the Olympics committee shows in Chicago?
I'd like to give them a private tour of my pot-holed street and the surrounding area.
Good idea, but unfortunately the FOP "leaders" will have to ask shortshanks for permissiom to file
The bottom line is we need to picket outside the hotels where the IOC is staying.
Embarassment is what gets under the Mayor's skin. I am unaware if this is out but the day of no confidence was taken very serious, so serious that he was throwing stuff around and yelling like a 2 year old.
We need to picket the place period.
Let's organize and set it up it needs to be done.
BLUE FLU!!! BLUE FLU!!! LET DICKHOLE DALEY GO ON THE DOMESTIC CALLS W/ BLOWJOB JODY.
So what's new here? Every time were up for a new contract the mayor drags his feet and cry's poor. Every time. I say arbitration now. Why do we even bother with negotiations in the first place, just hire an arbitrator from the start. The city (read mayor) will never offer us anything close to what were worth. Whatever it is he dislikes us for, I just don't understand. I would really like to see a Police department wholly removed from the mayors office with no political influence whatsoever but that just isn't going to happen. What are negotiations if it's all one sided anyway? The dictator has spoken and his word is law. We lose more than we gain at every contract.The mayor will try to settle this for the Olympic committees standard (all contracts fulfilled)clause with as little as possible for us as he can, we will get nothing from him. Skip negotiations, go to arbitration, at least we will get something that loosely resembles a contract even if it's not anything near what we're worth. This man is not thinking straight, in the long run the city would make more money overall without selling off it's assets and he is driving customers away from business in the city while at the same time driving businesses away with higher taxes that can and will be avoided by not doing business with or in the city. You want to negotiate with that?
Retiree health care at 55 is out. The Lts. and Capts. were duped into agreeing to that veba thing and that's what the city's going to make all CPD do. They're done with retiree health care and we're on our own.
This might be Daley's way of putting the idea that "the city is broke and we need a special government fund" out there and to see if yOMAMMA will bite. Tricky dicky up to his old ways, again.
Let's see: Mr. Arbitrator please ask the City how much money could be saved by shutting down a couple of districts. Please also ask why we need an ADS and a Commander at the Academy when for 20 or 30 years it was run by a Commander alone? (That's right the Commander is an Alderpukes pal, had to make her, never mind). Why do we need a Chief and a Commander of IAD when a Commander could do the job (Oh yeah ha to find a job for a former FBI agent, never mind). How come we now have 2 Assistant Superintendents, 2 Chiefs of Patrols and a whole slew of Chiefs and Deputy Superintendents doing who knows what working in Detective Division (Oh yeah, had to find more friends for former Daley Staff Members and another former FBI agent, never mind). Why are we buying SUV's when gas is expensive and will probably get more expensive?
If I were the FOP I would use an arbitration opportunity to show how corruption in the hiring and promotion process has cost the tax payers millions of dollars, that could have been used for decent cost of living raises, equipment and more police to help keep citizens safe.
I have 15 years on. I am laughing everyday at this crap daley pulls. But what are we as the Police Officers prepared to do?
We will do nothing. I am ashamed at how we as Police have no spine. The tac teams will kill themelves getting bullshit drinkers for numbers, however we will not stand together.
I personally just dont give a flying fuck if we ever get a raise again. I just want out and 5 years is all I need.
The fop will and has and will always sell us out. Its the Chitcago way. We have NO BALLS.
Ewww they might right us up ewww they might change my start time...so what.. Let them! Give them nothing. Then even after the contract is settled give them nothing for each year they made us wait. But we dont have the balls to push that mental midget of a mayor back.
1st and 16th and their isnt a FUCKIN thing they can do to me. And they know it! How much will you take before you fight back?
I BET A LOT MORE! NO BALLS!
I say picket washington park when the olympic idiots come to visit.
I just wanna piss off and embarass the mayor! Anything to fuck over daley! Fuck it...we can have fun at ZERO EXPENSE! Get ready mayor mumbles....the shit is starting to bubble!
now is the time to get involved. Talking about doing something and actually doing it are two different things. If more people went to the meetings, they would of heard that informational picketing was being discussed. When it is worked when and where, how many of you will actually show up?
How many will make that litany of excuses that we always hear?
me im sure it will be a nice day in april. Ill fill my pockets with quarters and bring my kids for a day downtown. Its their futre too. Fuck this Mayor.
Gather round while the Fifth Floor Fiddler reveals a tale of intrigue and interest...
The withdrawl of the last financial offer will be the final act in "Daley versus the police": look for one of the two parties to win and the other to lose by August 1st of 2009.
The mayor is currently pulling out all of the stops for the Olympics and needs to get the police in line one way or the other. The mayor will eventually get the Summer Olympics (thanks to the Whitehouse) and the arbitrator will rule on the contract.
It will be up to the rank and file to see if they will finally stand up for themselves and demand to be treated like adults. If they don't this will likely be the beginning of the end with a bankrupted pension fund, privatization, and permanent sub-standard pay/benefits as the police function slips back to the same levels we were at 30 years ago.
All of this will follow a disastrous 3 July as the current superintendent attempts to "go it alone" without any high priced outside consultants to manage the event. By the time the command staff has realized they are in over their head, it will be too late. This (along with what will truly be a terrible summer) will sound the exit bell for the current Weiss administration.
Look for "Acting Superintendent Dugan" to take over on or about the 1 August date. He may have a good chance of sticking it out permamnently unless one of the City Hall annointed (like Byrne or Huberman) decide that $310,000/year would pay for a few trips to the Caymans.
As for me, I have about 180 days left before I can pull the chute.
Stay safe brothers and sisters.
- The Fifth Floor Fiddler
Hopefully FOP made an appointment for arbitration. I heard it's a 8 to 12 month wait.
When is the next general meeting?
The motion for a vote of no confidence came from the floor, right. How about a motion for a vote to enter into arbitration coming from the floor? The leadership probably won't do it in their own, so sound off at the meeting. If the motion is seconded, then it has to be put to a vote.
S.C.C. is 100% correct regarding all of these rainy day funds. They should not exist, and will have to be looked at by the arbitrators.
As far as no raise, no retro. The arbitrators have ruled for it in the past, they will rule for it again.
There's all this Daley hate , but you chooch rockets keep voting for him . How about the next election the whole police department votes for the other guy whoever he is.
If 13,000 copper do it , I think its enough to change things.
...And most importantly, this prick refuses to allow us to move out of this over priced, over inflated, over taxed, over governed, over spending city!
At this point in time...I'd take a 0% increase as long as I can move out of this God forsaken arm pit city!
or we goto arbitration and get very little
WE MUST GET SERRIOUS ABOUT CUTTTING THE ALDERMEN TO 25. IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. TOGETHER WE STAND.
I'm creating a large banner for the "No Games Chicago" rally on April 2nd. Anyone have any serious ideas on what I should write on it?
Here is a suggestion. Why dont all the Department members assigned to Tac and Gangs, MSF, TRU, and any other units that require activity just commit to a work stoppage. If the bosses give you shit, just bid to a district. What are they going to do when everyone in these units bid out and they have no one to take their place. My guess reverse seniority. how are you going to force someone to produce if no one wants to be there in the first place? They are not going to put a PPO in these positions because of the liability. Think about what kind of a message this would send to the command staff of our Department. If you take what they use against us as leverage time and time again away from them, the threat is gone. You leave them powerless.
TEACHERS HAVE A REAL UNION NOT FOP!!!
FOP=IN BED WITH THE CITY
Another two years on another contract negociation
All SCC readers, what day do we organize the informational picket? When is the Olympic comittee coming? April 2?
The union needs to file for arbitration now. The worst that could happen is we get a little less than they are offering now. There is also a possibility of getting a much higher raise than we ever hoped.
3/22/2009 12:19:00 AM
I agree we should fight and take this to the end. Whatever happens we know we will get 3% anyway.
LETS GO....FILE FOR ARBITRATION NOW!!
"did anyone other than me catch this guy on CLTV's GML show"
That is the funniest show on TV, of course its not supposed to be... It is hilarious in a "how the hell is this on TV way"
The olympic committee won't even consider a city without a police dept. No contract means no police. The communications center has no contract either and going through a similar plight. Is there any way we can contact someone in the olympic committee and let them know the true situation going on in our city before some innocent visitor gets hurt here? Someone needs to explain to them how CAPS really works. How our language bank can't even find a Polish interpreter through the 911 line. Tell them that it may be hours before they see a police car on any given evening. The truth needs to be told and lies need to stop!
The liberal Chicago media has nothing but pussy jounralists in its ranks. They do not have the balls to begin investigating Daley the way he should be investigated.
At least Mike Shields, the white one on the pension board, had the balls to expose Daley and his Criminal underlings fucking with our pension.
Too bad many of bosses suck Daley's political cock and our scared to make a fucking decision. FUCK THIS JOB!!!
Do less than zero. I don't understand why anyone is still writing parkers or any other type of on scene ordinance violation. Just worry about yourself and your partner on the calls you have to go to and that is it. How many more officers have to die while all of you are shorthanded? It amazes me that no widow has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the city because of officer shortages. Even the dirty lawyers surely can see that it would gain national publicity. Even if the lawyer does it solely for the money it will set the standard for shortages.
Signed
A police wife
The FOP is a joke . Decertify them and lets go with the Teamsters. I honestly dont think we can do any worse than what we have now. I know all the critics will hit me on this, but just sit back and think about it for a few minutes. What we have are policeman who really dony have any knowledge with regards to negotiating a contract. Its a shame!
FOP SUXs and they will give in on this one to save their spots. Fuck Daley, and go to arbitration right away. It always ends that way anyway!!!
how soon the mayor forgets the 2 on duty and one off duty peace officers who were murdered last year. how soon the mayor forgets how smooth the democratic convention was handled due to a professional police force who got the job done at all levels. when the city is simmering and violence is out of control people look to the police for help and protection. most officers did not come on this job to become rich. most officers would just like a fair compensation package commensurate with the job they perform.
Another attempt by this jagoff Daley to stick it up our asses.
LISTEN UP PEOPLE!
Stick together. DON"T GIVE THEM ANTHING! No Parkers. No movers.
You're in patrol. What the fuck are they going to do to you? When roll call is over and the white shirt leaves the room have a "players only" meeting. Everyone needs to be on the same page.
"Counsel" the P.O.(s) that will feel the need to continue to give this city money. Tell them they stick with everybody or else.
THIS IS FUCKING WAR PEOPLE.
Fuckhead Daley has thrown down the gaunlet.
Let's not be fucking sheep led to slaughter.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON ANY OFFICER SHOULD DO A FUCKING THING FROM THIS POINT FORWARD.
IF THERE ARE P.O.s OUT THERE DOING SHIT FOR THE CITY CALL THEM OUT.
THEY ARE THE SAME AS SCABS.
Donaghue wont do shit b/c he does not want to piss off the king...
3/22/2009 05:05:00 AM
I think he did piss off the king and that is why the king dropped the bomb on the negotiations. That decision is one of anger. It is not a thoughtful decision.
I stand behind the FOP. I like this new animosity between them and the city. It's obviously getting to the mayor. I think the no confidence vote created Olympic waves that upset the mayor.
I also think the FOP knows that no police contract could be fatal to the city's Olympic bid. I think the mayor is trying to force arbitration just to get a solution. The mayor wants to tell the Olympic committee that the contract is "currently in arbitration" and a final contract is eminent.
KEEP NEGOTIATING!
Be patient. Stand together. Now is not the time to undercut the FOP.
"When your enemy is angry, iritate him."
-Sun Tzu
S.C.C. Stated:
..."If the 50 aldercreatures who allegedly have their fingers on the financial pulse of the city felt comfortable in accepting a 6% raise for their part-time jobs, and had no qualms about giving their staffers a 5% raise,"...
AAAAWWWWWW, Come on S.C.C., The Aldermen and Mayor called it a "Cost of living adjustment". It wasn’t a "raise"!
With this in mind, we should accept a 4.0% raise a year; IF ITS ONTOP OF A 6% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT! After all, fair is fair!
SCC IS WRONG!
KEEP NEGOTIATING!
Pulling pay raises off the table was an emotional response by the mayor. It was not rational. It didn't help the negotiations.
This sudden emotional response can only be caused by one thing, THE OLYMPIC BID. Think of it. Years and years of preparing for this bid. Every moment of every day spent on this one task. Do you remember Daley joyous leap when they announced that Chicago would be America's bid city?
Now, someone who knows tells Daley that the Olympic Bid is in trouble with an open police contract. Daley tells this person that police can't strike. The person says that isn't good enough. Daley asks this person if the committee will be satisfied if the negotiations are in arbitration. The person says yes. Daley pulls any pay raise off the table and leaks it to the media.
The officers scream for arbitration. Call the FOP and demand arbitartion. And the mayor gets what he wanted all along.
DO NOT BE FOOLED! Negotiating through the summer won't put us in any worse position. Be patient.
Stay the course. In June, the mayor will give us everything we ask for in a contract lasting to 2017 or will risk giving up the one thing that matters most to him, his Olympic legacy.
It is time for Donahue and company to STAND THE FUCK UP and OPEN THEIR FUCKING MOUTHS and DEMAND that this city government open their financial books'
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You idiots.
You think they have "books" that haven't been been tampered with?
You kids read too many comic books.
An arbitrator would grant us a retro check due tot he fact that there is money in the city chest. Daleys refusal to tap into it does not diminish the fact that the loot exists!
Dont get caught-up on the retro issue brothers and sisters.
Take a realistic approach and think 3.5% per year and you probably will not be too upset with the end result.
This is why i left the job, you get no respect from the city or the citizens, if you want to call them that. Get behingd the FOP and make some noise. Everyon else got over a 4% raise don't except anything less.
Why is it that the blue shirts are always the ones expected to something on our contract being settled or a work slow down? Someone correct me if I am wrong but arent sgts, lt's, and Cpts. without contracts also? Why arent these indivuals ranks whithin the department outraged about the contract cituation, why arent they demanding a unified front against the mayor? Why are they constantly playing the comapany game and demanding production from the blueshirts? To make this work it has to be a united front by all the unions within this department to accomplish a fair and decent contract we all deserve and earn.
The blus shirts cannot do all the leg work and the white shirts reap the rewards without looking bad in the eyes of the machine!!!!!!
hey mayor thief! How about you have your detail and eddie (oily) burkes detail drop from the d-3 rate to d-1? that would save hundreds of thousnads! show us how it is done first mayor criminal!
This could be part of the mayors olympic plan. He purposely delays our contract. Leaks it out that the police better pick up the pace from a revenue standpoint, in order to get more olympic money in the coffers. Then he waits to see what happens. If revenue picks up he might settle before the olympic decision. If it does not pick up he puts us off till after, and fucks with us as long as he can. Either way, he knows we can't strike, we aren't going to quit and that an arbitrator isn't going to give us that much anyway. The arbitrator will use the old "times are tough, 8% unemployment, be happy you get what you get". He won't care about labor contracts, alderman raises, TIF's or having the books opened up. The shankster has us by the balls and he knows it. If you think that he won't use that to his advantage, guess again.
I will pose a question: what does the mayor have to gain by settling, or giving us a reasonable contract? In my opinion, he gains nothing, nor loses anything. He loses some ticket revenue, but that is more than offset by the TIF's, and the other tax increases.
Short timer, I hope.
A second city rant...
Let's see, I served my country honorably...for freedom...and I am forced to live in Chicago by a corrupt politician...yes asshats I know it was a condition of employment...but it is suppossed to be a free country
The federal,state,county and local governments mismanage their budgets and spend like hell because they can balance their accounts with the sweat off our backs..whatever happened to no taxation without representation?
$78,000 after 25 years? 99% of the surrounding departments top out after 7 years. I ride around the westside in a pool car with no pdt dealing with the worst of the worst and suburban departments have shotguns, carbines and computers? Due to the structuring of our contract I haven't had a raise in 5 years.
In russia government controls industry...In America industry controls government..
we live in an upside down world folks...be safe remember Oakland.
CHICAGO NEEDS AN ENEMA! Flush the Daley Crime Family and every other democrat rat that kiss Boss Daley's fat ass.
Good Job by the Area 1 Midnight Tact team this morning you guys rock we are all happy you guys are ok. 40 yr old illegal fired 4 shots at these guys during a foot pursuit, police fired back no one hit shithead in custody charged with 2 counts of attempt murder, weapon recovered. Great job by everyone on scene.
008th District Copper
When threatened by assholes on the street you reply "GO FUCK YOURSELF" and go to it.
Same with the assholes punks at city hall, tell them to "GO FUCK THEMSELVES" and to to arbitration.
Wayne from 603 would of had the pickets at city hall up already.
It is our right to picket the hall.
3/22/2009 12:53:00 AM
Wayne? Are you kidding?!?! You would follow Wayne from 603 into battle? I wouldn't follow him into Starbuck's. He's a bum.
Donohuge is terrified of little attack Dog Daley. Sad but true.
3/22/2009 12:45:00 AM
Well said sir
Daley is an ass but not stupid! Once again a weekend announcement such as this with no one around to comment on. There has got to be a reason for this sudden switch in tactics. Lets take a breath and try to figure out his devious plan(because we know he has one)before we run to arbitration. With morale at an all time low it makes NO SENSE for him to take a shitty contract offer off the table unless by doing so he thinks we will want arbritation. And if he wants us to do that you know its in his best interest, NOT OURS!Lets THINK before we ACT!
FINALLY SCC, you have FINALLY dealt with an issue in the last 20 months that merits a collective reaction-response. It's about time, that is why this b(s)log was originated. Time to get real, forget the measley 3-4% raises/yr. let us deal with real issues.....
From the sun-times commet section regarding Daley withdrawing contract
J-Fed referred to as
"The cops are so happy with the new Super (Cap'n Caveman)",
LMAO
Let's not get crazy.
Daley is not stupid. He knows us better than we think. He knows that coppers over react to everything. This is a planned move to force us to early arbitration. His next move will to cry even more poor and call for wage cuts. Don't get worked up over it. THIS CITY IS FAR FROM POOR. He does not want us making a beef for the IOC. The arbitration is probably decided already (like a promotional test).
If we stall he'll get more pissed and look like a total goof. Never forget the public is not on our side. They want us to not write tickets but still lock up the bad guys but not hurt them. (??!!) But the public is fickle and deep down they know what is fair. They do not want to see the coppers totally laying down, and neither does Daley.
Wait and call his bluff.
Yes there are dogs. Yes there are many more bitter coppers.
But the majority of us still go out and do our jobs. We still write tickets and make money for the City that does not love us back.
This move is a spit in the eye to all of us that just keep plugging along.
What are supposed to think?
The 55 and out medical is only being offered to the Sgt's, Lt's, and Capt's for a period of three years.
SCC,
O.T. but look at this: He sounds like a nice young man but this is dumber that Daley with Weis. An ex soldier and banker?
Gov. Pat Quinn has appointed a 29-year-old West Point graduate and former mortgage banker to lead the Illinois State Police.
Speaking at a press conference Sunday, Quinn hailed former U.S. Army Capt. Jonathon Monken as a person of distinction and integrity.
Monken served as a platoon leader in Kosovo and Iraq. The suburban St. Charles native worked for Chicago Bancorp from July 2007 to August 2008 before becoming a recruiter for the Illinois Army National Guard.
Monken's appointment comes just two days after former state police director Larry Trent resigned. Trent served with the state police for 22 years before former Gov. Rod Blagojevich chose him as director in 2003
keep ur raise and allow me to live outside the city
time to de-cert FOP .. bring in the Teamsters !!!
Years ago the police held a rally and march when Walesa came to visit Chicago . There was a good turn out and Da Mayor was upset. n Walesas hotel was picketed. If I remember correctly this was done during a contract negoation. Why wont your union do it again?
donahue is apiece of shit that does nothing to show that he backs us and he demonstrates that everyday.
who wrote contact cards and event numbers , not even that either. nothing, dont do a fucking thing other than answer your calls and take your 2 personals and lunch.
i think a march is in order. march at city hall
Cooter will picket at city,name the time and place,He will show the FOP real balls,and bring the Kool-Aid for FOP,they need it.after they sold us out.
This is the problem when Police are NOT allowed to strike and the other professions are allowed to strike i.e Teachers, Electricians, Laborers etc.
If the Police were allowed to strike are contract would be resolved before it expires like the other folks!
The government took away the best and strongest bargaining chip from the Police and this Mayor knows it!
I VOTE that we go on Strike like the teachers do when they don't get what is do to them!
Well said, SCC.
So, you guys have a 50% unsolved rate on murders and a climbing homicide rate in Chicago, and you think you automatically deserve a raise? Think again!
SCC I like what you have to say, but when you say the city has to open it's books I have to laugh. This is the most corrupt city in country with a dictator in charge without limits. The books that will be shown will be the fake ones with phoney numbers etc etc. Daley will in no way show any of the real numbers. Daley could care less about the law, rules, or just fairness. Sure would be nice if the media would look into the Daley money train! Everyone gets raises except his poice department! The way he treats the police sends a terrible message to the public!
The union needs to file for arbitration now. The worst that could happen is we get a little less than they are offering now. There is also a possibility of getting a much higher raise than we ever hoped.
3/22/2009 12:19:00 AM
There's also a possibility that I will pull a 10 foot long pole out of my ass. Not likely, but it is a "possibility." Get real.
anyone who does ANYTHING for this dept is truly dumb!! And from a guy who voted for donahue and his boys, i promise that when its election time, you DO NOT HAVE MY VOTE! If you had even half a sack you would be organizing a march on city hall and the hotel where all those olympic fucks will be staying the first week of april. You want to fuck with Daley, then do it that way. Show us you have the sack and you arent in Daley's pocket because you havent done anything to prove otherwise!!! Im tired of this regime. I dont have a clue if mike shields has any interest or if he has any clue about union shit, but at least he has the balls to call people out and go to the media with the BS this city does. What the fuck is wrong with our union????????????
Anonymous said...
I VOTE that we go on Strike like the teachers do when they don't get what is do to them!
3/22/2009 05:27:00 PM
Are you kidding?! Most of you are already doimg as little as possiob;e. You have job security and will not lose your jobs or get a pay cut b/c of lack of performance. For those of you who actually put in a full day and work hard- THANK YOU! For the rest of you - you should be ashamed!
OT: about the police shooting at A1. Yes, the coppers did a good job BUT what was up with the A1 midnight dicks??? Please tell me that the guys assigned were not the cream of crop. Please tell me the first watch has somebody that can handle polie shooting in a competent fashion. Please tell me the summer police shooting season will not be handled by them. Please it was scary.
"So, you guys have a 50% unsolved rate on murders and a climbing homicide rate in Chicago, and you think you automatically deserve a raise? Think again!
3/22/2009 05:38:00 PM"
If you think the murder rate is climbing now, just wait until shitheads like yourself have no police to call.
"I VOTE that we go on Strike like the teachers do when they don't get what is do to them!
3/22/2009 05:27:00 PM"
The fact that you are allowed to vote in government elections doesn't mean you get to vote in FOP elections.
Correct your typo, (substitute the factual 'you' for the fictional 'we' in your quoted sentence), then resubmit your opinion.
Anonymous said...
So, you guys have a 50% unsolved rate on murders and a climbing homicide rate in Chicago, and you think you automatically deserve a raise? Think again!
3/22/2009 05:38:00 PM
Stay off the blog, suburbanite. Why do you find us so interesting? We don't think twice about your sorry ass.
Contact cards and event numbers....nothing more.
3/22/2009 12:53:00 AM
ok dog ass why even do that much
"What are supposed to think?
3/22/2009 03:37:00 PM"
Uh, you're supposed to think that it's about time you begin to think.
And when you begin to think about it, you might want to try thinking about why you have not yet figured it out.
The bottom line is we need to picket outside the hotels where the IOC is staying.
ok hero im sure you and the rest of the troops who talk shit all day on this blog will really show up!!!
I don't blame any of you one bit for "slowing it down". Some, where I work, say I am an over achiever. 30+ years with my company and this February was "raise" time. Well, my raise was not as good as I thought it would be "because of the economy". Didn't make a difference that I busted my butt, my company is hiring and it made a very good profit last year. What did I do? Slowed it down.
We have a street light out on the corner for a month now. Live in an active gang area. House and garage have been tagged numerous times. I, and neighbors have called 311 many times, sent requests via City of Chicago website and even called the alderman's office. Apparently these departments/offices have all "slowed it down" so why shouldn't you?
Stay safe, CPD, and do what you have to do.
Understanding Chicago citizen.
It is time for Donahue and company to STAND THE FUCK UP and OPEN THEIR FUCKING MOUTHS and DEMAND that this city government open their financial books'
I am sure the city keeps two sets of books... You know if they have to open the books to an arbitrator they surely won't show them the right one...
"Counsel" the P.O.(s) that will feel the need to continue to give this city money. Tell them they stick with everybody or else.
ok Hercules or else what tough guy. Just continue to use this as an excuse because you are and always have been a dog!!!
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So, you guys have a 50% unsolved rate on murders and a climbing homicide rate in Chicago, and you think you automatically deserve a raise? Think again!
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If you think the average street cop is at all responsible for this then you have a lot to learn.
I think waiting is what daley fears the most! Dont get mad, dont yell for an arbutrator. Do nothing and watch him squirm.
Here is a suggestion. Why dont all the Department members assigned to Tac and Gangs, MSF, TRU, and any other units that require activity just commit to a work stoppage. If the bosses give you shit, just bid to a district. What are they going to do when everyone in these units bid out and they have no one to take their place. My guess reverse seniority. how are you going to force someone to produce if no one wants to be there in the first place? They are not going to put a PPO in these positions because of the liability. Think about what kind of a message this would send to the command staff of our Department. If you take what they use against us as leverage time and time again away from them, the threat is gone. You leave them powerless.
3/22/2009 10:43:00 AM
It has been said before and will be said again. The worse unit is better than the best district. Tact teams, well not having to answer calls and deal with the daily patrol things is a perk. I guess...
One last question. If the mayor has been in charge for over 2 decades...who is truly to blame for our predicament? And who should accept responsibility for the stressful time that the City is experiencing? How come none of our leadership has accepted responsibility? Everyone is so outraged about AIG and there bonuses?
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Hey R-E-T-A-R-D, you said "One last question....." Then you asked four. Smooth move, Ex-lax.
Dare to Struggle, Dare to Win!
I say the hell with it, arbitration now! I would recommend filing for arbitration ASAP. Let the chips fall where they may.
I would rather get less from an arbitrator than continue to get treated like the bastard red-headed step child from our corrupt tyrant shortshanks.
As for our union president, I would like to see him get angry, I'd like for him to get mad as hell and to voice his displeasure at the way we are being treated loudly and publicly and often.
If we are to get fucked, let us take our chances with an arbitrator. There's a 50/50 chance the City would lose so declare an impasse and file, the sooner we file for arbitration the sooner we can begin the process.
Let the City cry poor when they are sitting on BILLIONS in cash. Let them convince an arbitrator they can't afford it while they are at the same time guaranteeing hundreds of millions in construction and performance money to the IOC and financing a multi billion dollar expansion project at O'Hare..
Time to call the bluff of shortshanks. I say it is time to go all in.
I'm also in agreement about a rally when the committee comes to Shitago complete with signs,a pickit where they are staying is a good idea.At the very least we can inform them that the police department is not happy and without a happy police department officers will not go out of they're way,we will do it by the book,nothing more nothing less.While visiting one of the most violent cities in the country,without hiring a private bodyguard good luck strolling around the city with the limited resources we have at the moment due to the mayor's hiring practices.
Anonymous said...
time to de-cert FOP .. bring in the Teamsters !!!
3/22/2009 04:41:00 PM
Not now. Now, more than ever, is the time for something that has always eluded us, Unity. As police officers, we need to stick together. I feel that shortshanks senses an opportunity to fuck us like never before. We need to stick together and support our union, it is all we have. Do what you must later but we are in the middle of a fight and on this we need to stand together or surely together we will get fucked.
SCC,
Can you do a post on this topic? Governor Quinn has pulled a Daley by appointing a NONcop to head the ISP. He appointed a 29 year old former Army Captain to the position.
Very strange how they continue to FEDERALIZE law enforcement and its top positions. I honestly believe there is more to this than meets the eye.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/03/st-charles-native-jonathon-monken-new-head-of-illinois-state-police.html
"Take a realistic approach and think 3.5% per year and you probably will not be too upset with the end result.
3/22/2009 12:47:00 PM"
Being upset is one of the states of mind that you fear, isn't it?
What you'd like is to have a docile, compliant bunch of rabbits to use your carrot/stick strategies on.
You've come to the wrong place, at the wrong time, to try and sell that shit, buddy.
Fransisco/roosevelt is very difficult to shut down because it did not get a lot of attention it has been left it alone for so long that the drug dealing over there is out of control,they sell out of the alley the begining of the block,the middle of the block and at the end of the block.I'm surprised that anyone is still living on that block,i'm surprised that anyone still living on that block is alive.Daley better make sure he has plenty of sercurity for them,because they are going to need it over there!!!!!!!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
"There's also a possibility that I will pull a 10 foot long pole out of my ass. Not likely, but it is a 'possibility.' Get real.
3/22/2009 05:45:00 PM"
Sounds a little like you've been hanging around the Keesing Bandit a wee bit to often.
Mostly it's that 'it is a possibility' part plus the pole that gives us a clue.
"When your enemy is angry, iritate him."
-Sun Tzu
3/22/2009 12:08:00 PM
Yeah, baby!!
Anonymous said...
Daley is an ass but not stupid! Once again a weekend announcement such as this with no one around to comment on. There has got to be a reason for this sudden switch in tactics. Lets take a breath and try to figure out his devious plan(because we know he has one)before we run to arbitration. With morale at an all time low it makes NO SENSE for him to take a shitty contract offer off the table unless by doing so he thinks we will want arbritation. And if he wants us to do that you know its in his best interest, NOT OURS!Lets THINK before we ACT!
3/22/2009 02:47:00 PM
Not a weekend announcement, just Fran Spielman slow in getting her sources to give her the story.
The City announced nothing. No doubt this came from the FOP and unnamed sources at City Hall.
The City sent FOP a letter recently declaring they could not honor their economic package of October 2007, the 16.1%.
Donahue mentioned this at the meeting on 3/17
Someone then fed the story to Fran Spielman who got confirmation, sort of , from her sources at City Hall. It came out when it came out, the City had nothing to do with the timing of the release.
The letter stating the city wouldn't honor their first economic package preceded the No Confidence vote, perhaps hastening the vote.
So, you guys have a 50% unsolved rate on murders and a climbing homicide rate in Chicago, and you think you automatically deserve a raise? Think again!3/22/2009 05:38:00 PM
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Its not hard to "lose" at a rigged game.
It's Simple
1. Any officer who generates any revenue is a M****R F*****G Moron.
2. If we don't demand the F.O.P. have informational Picking when the Olympic Commitie is here for the site inspection then we are M****R F*****G Morons.
3. If they do organize and everyone not working is not there then we prove that we are M****R F*****G Morons who get what we deserve... NOTHING!
Arbitration is a horrible decision. The City almost always get what they want from them.
We will either get a miniscule raise or no raise.
Meanwhile the City will surely get an increase in Health Care and CRs in your file forever.
Instead attack Daley where it hurts.
olympics
Lets get it started here....Mike Shields for Mayor......let all of CPD and CFD get behind Mike.....In my family alone I have ten votes.
At one time the Chicago Police Wife's Association had a letter of understanding with the first Mayor Daley and the Police Department. The letter stated that no police officer shall work a one man unit from the hours of 6 PM to 6 AM unless the officer voluntarily agreed to work alone. Why havn't the Police Wife's and union addressed this issue.
We still have not heard a THING from our FOP! Nothing on the web site nothing printed NOTHING! The only news we get on our contract screwing is from the news paper or TV.
Anonymous said...
The FOP is a joke . Decertify them and lets go with the Teamsters. I honestly dont think we can do any worse than what we have now. I know all the critics will hit me on this, but just sit back and think about it for a few minutes. What we have are policeman who really dony have any knowledge with regards to negotiating a contract. Its a shame!
3/22/2009 11:40:00 AM
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well said. How about a no confidence vote for Donahue! Screw the FOP. They are useless.
"They'll do what i tell them to do."
"It's good to be king"
there is a lot more danger in arbitration this time than ever before. dont forget about the depression we are in worldwide, the arbitrator can go with the city and say we need to take a hit and not get any raise or something very small. this isnt the economy of raises anymore, it is a government of you make too much money now. there is no guarantee that we will get anything good.
Where and when for a rally,remember it is now a matter of survival.Daley is already starting to privatize our police duties to some rent-a-cops out South(somewhere on Michigan ave.).By the time of arrival of the Olympic's don't be surprised if you look up and see only four to six thousand police on Patrol and five to seven thousand rent-a-cops on patrol at less than half the salary of a Patrolman/Patrolwoman.For those of you who may think this sounds liks hogwash.How much time does Daley have now and until the arrival of the opening ceremoney of theOlympic's?He has just enough time that through annual retirements he can meet those projections and if that's not enough you know he will impliment an early retirement program.This is not ment to scare you or make you paranoid but to make you aware that Daley does not play fair or by the rule because he makes his own set of rules and thinks he has no one to answer too,"IT'S TIME HE STARTS REALIZING THAT THERE IS A HIGHER POWER THAN HIMSELF AND THAT HIGHER POWER IS THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT".
So, you guys have a 50% unsolved rate on murders and a climbing homicide rate in Chicago, and you think you automatically deserve a raise? Think again!
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It's better than our literacy rate and the teachers got a raise!!!!
Think you got it bad?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/22/tale-of-two-sanctuary-cities/
Let's not get crazy.
Daley is not stupid. He knows us better than we think. He knows that coppers over react to everything. This is a planned move to force us to early arbitration. His next move will to cry even more poor and call for wage cuts. Don't get worked up over it. THIS CITY IS FAR FROM POOR. He does not want us making a beef for the IOC. The arbitration is probably decided already (like a promotional test).
If we stall he'll get more pissed and look like a total goof. Never forget the public is not on our side. They want us to not write tickets but still lock up the bad guys but not hurt them. (??!!) But the public is fickle and deep down they know what is fair. They do not want to see the coppers totally laying down, and neither does Daley.
Wait and call his bluff.
Great post, also in the article it says "Jim Franczek refused to confirm or deny that the city's offer ad been pulled". I agree lets just wait it out. Also, nice wording by the press in saying the F.O.P. "DEMANDED 24%" - How about giving us a break for a while with this demoralizing bullshit!
So, you guys have a 50% unsolved rate on murders and a climbing homicide rate in Chicago, and you think you automatically deserve a raise? Think again!
3/22/2009 05:38:00 PM
Hey......FUCK YOU !!!
I VOTE that we go on Strike like the teachers do when they don't get what is do to them!
Dude, we can't go on strike. It's a federal law. Think Mcfly think!
There's all this Daley hate , but you chooch rockets keep voting for him . How about the next election the whole police department votes for the other guy whoever he is.
If 13,000 copper do it , I think its enough to change things.
3/22/2009 10:19:00 AM
I think you'll need more than 13,000 votes to get Daley out of office. This city has 3 million people. Daley hasn't won any election by merely 13,000 votes. He wins them by 100,000's.
Anonymous said...
I VOTE that we go on Strike like the teachers do when they don't get what is do to them!
3/22/2009 05:27:00 PM
Teachers are organized and have a real union. Far cry from the police. Strike is not necessary for the teachers. They got a raise and so did every one else. FLOP
If we go into arbitration is there a chance that that the residency restriction could be lifted?
To the asshole that commented about the Homicide clearence rate: Ok fool here it is try responding to a homicide/crime scene while in uniform in Chicago and this is what you get-"WHAT HAPPENED" RESPONSE "I DIDN'T SEE NOTHIN".The surrounding citzens are more outraged at you than at what just happened to the person,aaammm excuse me in Chicago the person's that are lying there(let's face it they get the person standing next to you or the person standing behind you),OOohhh i forgot the crime scene upon you arriving will scream out "POOKIE DID IT,POOKIE DID IT".It is my guess that all of the crime scenes you have visited said Joe Schmoe did it (judging from your smart assed comment) i will assume you have been to hundreds,excuse me thousands of crime scenes Dr. Markus Welby,I'm sure that when you go on furlough assuming you know what a furlough is that the clearence rate in your city drops so low that insurance rates climbs 10% and upon your return from furlough it drops down 15% and all the citizens camp in front of your residence and chants "THE GREAT ONE HAS RETURNED".To make a statement like that over the stacked dead bodies of homicide victims makes you trully the most egg headed pure 100 % most ass hatted person to ever make a comment on this blog.Now Why don't you pat yourself on the back,run upstairs (watch those basement stairs,they can be a bit much when you are all excited) and go tell mommie "I JUST GOT A GOOD ZINGER IN ON THE WHOLE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARMENT ABOUT THERE HOMICIDE CLEARENCE RATE".I'm sure she will pat you on the top of your head just left of that aluminim plate,what you too cheap to buy a steel plate inside that too small for your body of a head yours and say "THAT'S MY BOY" and then she will give you a sugar cookie.Congratt's to you for you have just created a whole different catigory for ass hats: "SUPER ASS HAT"
I have been saying this since last year no raise no retro but I guess it was more important to get a CR number on Wiess for endorsing Obama than it was to negotiate our contract. There is plenty of blame to pass around on this one, let's not dump it all on Donahue, although he deserves some. Ambition is a funny thing and there are too many guys at the FOP more interested in being the President of the union than in the good of the rank and file.
We dont need Donahue or the FOP.Some decide where we are meeting and what time ,and we will be thier.We are the FOP.not the other way around.Some one find out where the Olympics are staying ,Ill make the signs ..Cooter said
Anonymous said...
I wonder if this has anything to do with the no confidence vote on J-Fed.
Screw the police, because the police embarrassed "His Elective Majesty".
Richard M Daley reminds me of a spoiled ten year old. Only shorter and not potty trained.
This city needs an enema.
3/21/2009 11:25:00 PM
The City pulled their economic offer BEFORE the No-Confidence vote was taken. It just took Fran Spielman a few days to get fed the story.
3/22/2009 07:18:00 AM
My question is why didn't we hear about this from our FOP? Why is the first news from the printed press?
5:38 pm everyone gets a raise---the bare minimum is cost of living raise which is around 4%--So, with that in mind moron--go f*** urself!! ya jealous because ur not the Police! You should be, because as bullshit as this job is sometimes--its still the best, made up of individual people who are all heroes!
FOR UNION WHITE SHIRTS:
I hope to God all of you realize that we are in this together. Taking off the pay raise for cops means no pay raise for you, too.
For you bosses who bust the balls of blue shirts for not bringing in revenue activity, why do you do it? The mayor has no more love for you sgts, lts, capts, than he does for the blue shirts.
All of us need to band together in a common cause against the crooks at city hall.
Remember a time when being a Capt, Lt, or Sgt. was a nice promotion? Everybody for the most part knew what they were suppose to do to make it work. Sure some jagoff cops ruined things, but overall, after they were dealt with you still had good spots. Now, most of you are afraid of the next higher level of command, or of losing that spot. You are afraid of backing good officers who find themselves in a gray area because you think if it goes south you are going down too.
Well, look where that got you: An offer for no pay raises.
BACK the guys in blue on the street! Don't work or supervise for the clout machine at city hall or 35th/Michigan. Don't give those nitwits a dime through your guys and gals in blue.
MESSAGE
TO: TICKET RIGHTERS
IM GOING TO HAVE TO PUT PRESSURE ON CERTAIN PEOPLE....
THE FOOT GUYS
THE GUYS ON MANAGEMENT ON DAYS
THE GUYS SCARED TO LOSE THEIR CARS.
IT SEEMS THAT YOU "OFFICERS" REALLY DONT GIVE A SHIT AND CONTINUE TO GENERATE REVENUE.
U TALK A GOOD GAME IN ROLL CALL W/ UR TOUGH GUY BULL SHIT, BUT WHEN I LOOK IN THE IN BOX 4 PARKER U PRICKS SEEMS TO LOVE RIGHTING PARKERS.
PLEASE, ALL THE OTHER WHO AGREE DONT TREAT THESE PO'S AS PARTNER TREAT THEM AS SELL OUTS.
ALL THEY ARE DOING IS KISSING ASS 4 A SPOT TIMES ARE TOUGH.
AND PLEASE DONT TELL ME ABOUT BEING A REAL POLICE B-CUZ U RIGHT PARKERS..... U R WHY THIS DEPARTMENT IS AT ITS WEAKEST IN YEARS.
Anonymous said...
Good Job by the Area 1 Midnight Tact team this morning you guys rock we are all happy you guys are ok. 40 yr old illegal fired 4 shots at these guys during a foot pursuit, police fired back no one hit shithead in custody charged with 2 counts of attempt murder, weapon recovered. Great job by everyone on scene.
008th District Copper
3/22/2009 01:57:00 PM
How about suing the city/daley for allowing illegals in this shitty? They did it in Colorado why not shitcago?
So, you guys have a 50% unsolved rate on murders and a climbing homicide rate in Chicago, and you think you automatically deserve a raise? Think again!
3/22/2009 05:38:00 PM
If IAG can get raises from obama so can we god bless America.
You are a bigger no know nothing troll. Stop watching CSI and come back to reality.
to 3/22, 10:10 pm....you got it right....but, it has been said that "every" (but certainly not every) lt or capt has his or her eye on a gold star, and that's why some of them won't buck the system, or speak up for what is right. There are lts and capts who won't cave in to the bullshit, who will not say or do anything just to get the gold star (and that's why they won't get the gold star); whether their voices are heard depends on their organizations, and how their message is communicated. Now is the time, that all of the ranks, and every member of those ranks, stand together, demonstrate professional integrity and character, in their demands for fair wages and benefits, in light of the demands and danger of the job, regardless of the city's "passion for the Olympics", the mayor's preference for "wrought iron fencing" or ""downtown flower pots"......
ANYONE WHO SAYS GO TO ARBITRATION IS A FOOL!
Daley has an agenda. He needs our contract settled for the Olympics. THE FOP NEEDS TO DRAG THIS OUT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. THAT IS OUR BEST CHANCE! THE CLOSER WE GOT TO THE OLYPIC BID THE BETTER OUR CONTRACT WILL BE!
USE YOUR BRAINS! IT"s SIMPLE
"Retiree health care at 55 is out. The Lts. and Capts. were duped into agreeing to that veba thing and that's what the city's going to make all CPD do. They're done with retiree health care and we're on our own."
"
This is not correct. VEBA is subject to a vote which has not been done yet. Its not a done deal. Hopefully the Lts and Capts will vote against it.
1st and 16th and their isnt a FUCKIN thing they can do to me. And they know it! How much will you take before you fight back?
I BET A LOT MORE! NO BALLS!
3/22/2009 09:33:00 AM
I'm about a year behind you, and the sad thing is.... YOU ARE 110% RIGHT!
You know what its time for is for more than 200 fucking people to show up at an FOP meeting. People forget that they will only get away with what you let them.
ok dog ass why even do that much
3/22/2009 06:20:00 PM
hey, dumb ass, why are you doing any more?
"If we go into arbitration is there a chance that that the residency restriction could be lifted?
3/22/2009 09:10:00 PM"
Arbitration locks the union into accepting whatever the arbitrator decides. Period.
Continued negotiations do not.
Arbitrators are bound to not consider, in making their decisions, any elements not previously present in the expired contract or currently being considered within the employer's most recent offer.
Also, any elements agreed upon during negotiations between both parties can be considered by the arbitrator as being substantially settled elements.
Going to arbitration is a decision made by employees who want, more than anything else, to maintain the status quo. Arbitration rarely results in significant gains by the employees, or, for that matter, the employer.
Negotiation, with the use of all leverage available to the employees, is the most effective at gaining significant improvements to previous agreements.
If the employees have the brains to figure out that leverage and the unified balls to apply it.
A labor union is only as effective as it's members are united.
"This city has 3 million people. Daley hasn't won any election by merely 13,000 votes. He wins them by 100,000's.
3/22/2009 08:55:00 PM"
You're forgetting about voter turnout.
And that's a lot of votes to be forgetting about.
"well said. How about a no confidence vote for Donahue! Screw the FOP. They are useless.
3/22/2009 08:20:00 PM"
City hall troll complimenting either himself or another city hall troll.
The FOP is it's membership.
Does anyone really believe that if the membership shows up en mass that the leadership would dare to act contrary to that membership's will?
"We still have not heard a THING from our FOP! Nothing on the web site nothing printed NOTHING! The only news we get on our contract screwing is from the news paper or TV.
3/22/2009 08:18:00 PM"
More city hall trolls trying to stir up shit.
"3/22/2009 07:30:00 PM"
The FOP is it's membership.
Every member has the ability to communicate with every other member.
No prior FOP approval is required.
Organize.
Don't wait to be told, or given permission, to organize. By anyone.
Effective informational picketing isn't brain surgery, it just requires bodies, lots and lots of bodies.
Can any members of this union honestly say that they have anything more pressing to do?
"ARBITRATION NOW!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
ARBITRATION NOW!!
3/22/2009 07:16:00 PM"
Shortshanks, is that you?
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I wonder if this has anything to do with the no confidence vote on J-Fed.
Screw the police, because the police embarrassed "His Elective Majesty".
Richard M Daley reminds me of a spoiled ten year old. Only shorter and not potty trained.
This city needs an enema.
3/21/2009 11:25:00 PM
The City pulled their economic offer BEFORE the No-Confidence vote was taken. It just took Fran Spielman a few days to get fed the story.
3/22/2009 07:18:00 AM
My question is why didn't we hear about this from our FOP? Why is the first news from the printed press?
3/22/2009 10:05:00 PM
It was posted on this blog under a different topic by an Rep who was at that meeting. It didn't seem to attract attention until it made the papers.
.
"Time to call the bluff of shortshanks. I say it is time to go all in.
3/22/2009 07:02:00 PM"
You're either an idiot, who regularly loses his ass at Texas Hold 'Em, or another of the many city hall trolls who, from time to time, are allowed to post their drool on an otherwise troll-free blog.
Which is it, idiot or troll?
"It has been said before and will be said again. The worse unit is better than the best district. Tact teams, well not having to answer calls and deal with the daily patrol things is a perk. I guess...
3/22/2009 06:50:00 PM"
So, what you're saying is that there are some things that will motivate you to become a compliant, at will, kiss-ass slave?
"I think waiting is what daley fears the most! Dont get mad, dont yell for an arbutrator. Do nothing and watch him squirm.
3/22/2009 06:46:00 PM"
Not nothing, but some things, the things that make him squirm more, lots more.
With any luck, he'll pull a Stroger.
Anonymous said...
If we go into arbitration is there a chance that that the residency restriction could be lifted?
3/22/2009 09:10:00 PM
None.
An arbitrator, any arbitrator, has nothing to do with that issue. It is written into Illinois State Labor Law that employees of cities over 1 million in population (only one of those in Illinois) cannot use collective bargaining to overturn residency requirements.
Residency is granted or forbidden by the largess of the municipality only. As it is, Chicago has an ordinance requiring residency for police officers and most other City employees.
Guess who had it introduced and passed into law? If you guessed the City of Chicago you would be right.
That is how the FOP has been attacking residency, first to have this one piece of labor law rescinded and then to bring it up at the bargaining table during contract talks.
So far, the City of Chicago has actively prevented this from being changed in the legislature. But one of these days...
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I VOTE that we go on Strike like the teachers do when they don't get what is do to them!
3/22/2009 05:27:00 PM
Teachers are organized and have a real union. Far cry from the police. Strike is not necessary for the teachers. They got a raise and so did every one else. FLOP
3/22/2009 08:58:00 PM
Police Officers and fire fighters are prevented by law from striking or engaging in any type of job action other than informational picketing. If the FOP were to advocate that the City could move immediately to have the union decertified and to fire all those who participate in such a strike or job action.
Teachers can go out on strike. Police Officers cannot. That bit of legislation was enacted after the fire fighter's strike in 1980 over the perceived refusal by mayor Jane Byrne to honor a campaign promise to give the Chicago firefighters a contract.
The strike lasted 23 days and eventually a contract was hammered out that included a no strike clause. A contract was also later negotiated with Chicago Police Officers, our first, that also includes a no strike clause. No Strike by public safety employees also became part of state law.
Anonymous said...
There's all this Daley hate , but you chooch rockets keep voting for him . How about the next election the whole police department votes for the other guy whoever he is.
If 13,000 copper do it , I think its enough to change things.
3/22/2009 10:19:00 AM
I think you'll need more than 13,000 votes to get Daley out of office. This city has 3 million people. Daley hasn't won any election by merely 13,000 votes. He wins them by 100,000's.
3/22/2009 08:55:00 PM
But in 2007 only 33% of the registered voters even bothered to go out and vote. If enough people got pissed off Daley is beatable.
Feb 27, 2007 vote totals:
Richard M. Daley - 324519
Dorothy H. Brown - 91878
William Walls III - 40368
Anonymous said...
At one time the Chicago Police Wife's Association had a letter of understanding with the first Mayor Daley and the Police Department. The letter stated that no police officer shall work a one man unit from the hours of 6 PM to 6 AM unless the officer voluntarily agreed to work alone. Why havn't the Police Wife's and union addressed this issue.
3/22/2009 08:06:00 PM
Because too many officers VOLUNTARILY work 10-99 on afternoons and midnights. All they have to do is write a to-from report refusing to work without a partner but no one does that.
Here is a suggestion. Why dont all the Department members assigned to Tac and Gangs, MSF, TRU, and any other units that require activity just commit to a work stoppage.
What about the coppers assigned to the district you live in?
If we go into arbitration is there a chance that that the residency restriction could be lifted?
3/22/2009 09:10:00 PM
Who's going to buy your 1200sqft $400,000.00 house whos basement floods everytime it rains or your over priced condo thats not worth what you owe?
They may take our lives,but they will never take our retro!
My question is why didn't we hear about this from our FOP? Why is the first news from the printed press
You need to ask that question? Mark Donahue and the flop are fighting for us...dont you worry!
Just grease yr bunghole and bend over like a good boy!
I say do what Shortshanks does. Just ignore him and FOP. If it comes to a vote ...Ignore it. Ignore everything. Let it go and see how shortshanks comes around.
But I do agree in demonstrating while the olympic idiots are driving through washington park. Embarass Daley!!
Does the Police Wive's Associatin still exist? Who do we contact? If not, I volunteer to start it up again.
What outrages me is "our union" makes political endorsements, smugly waving the magic wand of approval over all the politicians that are forever forgeting us, or turning thier backs to us! They need to stay out of endorsements, especially if they cant even negociate a simple labor agreement!!
I hate to say this, but under the current conditions, arbitration seems to be the lessor of two evils this time. If you look at what the city has offered, the "status quo" (which is how arbitrators usually rule) doesn't seem so bad considering these economic times.
Remember, the city's low raise offer and raises that have already been given to the other unions and the aldercreatures (which the arbitrator WILL take into account)is better than what shortshanks is now offering. Arbitrators usually will not add anything that dramatically changes the current contract. which are things the city is trying to fuck us with anyway.
So, as much as i'm not a fan of arbitration, it is something we need to really consider. Then we can deal with our USELESS FOP when elections come around!
To Understanding Concerned...
Give vicinity of your neighborhood issues and they will be addressed. Make no mistake: We still care. Like abused animals, most of us are just tired of being beat on for no reason.
"Here is a suggestion. Why dont all the Department members assigned to Tac and Gangs, MSF, TRU, and any other units that require activity just commit to a work stoppage."
THEY'D COMMITT MASS SEPPAKU BEFORE EVEN DREAMING OF DOING SUCH A THING. "I GOTTA KEEPS MY SPOT,MY FRAGILE EGO DEPENDS ON IT"
Anonymous said...
"Time to call the bluff of shortshanks. I say it is time to go all in.
3/22/2009 07:02:00 PM"
You're either an idiot, who regularly loses his ass at Texas Hold 'Em, or another of the many city hall trolls who, from time to time, are allowed to post their drool on an otherwise troll-free blog.
Which is it, idiot or troll?
3/23/2009 01:02:00 AM
Neither. Which are you, a moron or an imbecile?
I have no problem going to arbitration, fuck the 55 thing, fuck Daley, how much worse could we get fucked by an arbitrator?
We might get nothing. We have that now.
.And most importantly, this prick refuses to allow us to move out of this over priced, over inflated, over taxed, over governed, over spending city!
At this point in time...I'd take a 0% increase as long as I can move out of this God forsaken arm pit city!
--The residency should NOT be an arbitration issue, it should be in COURT. We are paying a premium price to live here and they don't want to give us anything to help pay the costs. It should be your choice as to where you live. As long as you show up to work every day they should have Nothing to say. A $3000 stipend doesn't cover shit compared to what we are dishing out.
there is a lot more danger in arbitration this time than ever before. dont forget about the depression we are in worldwide, the arbitrator can go with the city and say we need to take a hit and not get any raise or something very small.
--Let the mayor open the books to show the arbitrator what he has spent. Let him show the arbitrator how much $ the alderman received in raises as well as city hall staff. Let the mayor show how much money was spent with creating all these top positions in the CPD. Cut the fat mayor and give us our $.
Off the subject. For all coppers living in Jefferson Park township. Jefferson Park just opened up for taxes. You can now appeal your taxes to cookcountyassessors office. It might help you get them lower.
Ya kno'....Daley can save enough monies to afford all your raises by just reducing the number of wards. Why do we need 50 wards? We have 25 police districts and they work pretty good, yes? If you do the math...25 x what a couple of 100k? and what do ya get? Plus all the perks...and if they would only know how to manage money, then you would get a pay raise, but that won't happen anytime soon. Daley wants the games and he gonna ask the messiah for help if he can't do it on his own.
I think you guys deserve a raise, but I'm only one citizen and maybe not. Daley doesn't have a clue what you guys do, nor does he care. Ya think he would take a pay cut, to show that he's trying too......oh no..now I'm gonna start laughin' my ass off!!!!!!!!
"Which is it, idiot or troll?
3/23/2009 01:02:00 AM"
Yes.
To 3/22/2009 05:38:00 PM
This is the SCC (Second City Cop)Blog not the CCS (Completely Clueless Suburbanite) Blog
good news:
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=33414
Bye-Bye! No Olympics!
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