Back to the Streets (Not?)
Again, a half-baked idea goes awry once implemented due to a complete lack of strategic foresight:
- No radio jobs? No paper jobs? Aren't these police officers? Aren't they sworn and can legally carry a gun, unlike certain unsworn Chiefs of Staff? They just ride along on existing district jobs and with very few exceptions, never do a thing to chip the $200 manicures - and that's just the guys.
- With these seat-fillers, we are getting reports that for the first time in years, Districts are actually able to man a full compliment of Rapid Response cars...except that there aren't any cars to fill! That's right - for at least the fifth straight month, and probably longer, the day began with "no pool cars available citywide."
And now we get this safety issue:
- FYI, I'm a "wheel gunner", who after my 1st "incident", discovered that 6 shots were not enough.....and went w/15 shot 9mm, the next day....I was told today, that my aux. 9mm is expired and MUST only carry, on duty, my.357. Because no auxillary weapons qualifications can be scheduled...I know, it's better to take the "hit", for using my aux.weapon to have the firepower to defend my Brothers and I, but armed only w/my 6 shot, I feel extremely vulnerable, regardless of how well I can shoot it. And to those that say "don't do anything",FU,shit happens!!Just by virtue of donning my vest and Star, I'm in harms way.....To the powers that be I implore you, to let us carry our auxillary weapon as a proper means of defense, when "shit happens"........
If true, then the unbelievable has actually happened - we can't only not carry rifles without jumping through hoops, anyone who hired on before the early 1990's is being required to transition backwards to a revolver in the face of increasing firepower utilized against the police and citizens because the Department can't run a range program to save its life.
Can someone verify that last paragraph?
Can someone verify that last paragraph?
Labels: safety issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
72 Comments:
And beat 814 was down in 008 due to no manpower! As usual the taxpayers get less service!
Im not certain about this because it was institued right before I retired. BUt doesnt the Dept have a programn whereby a wheelgun man can denounce his wheelgun forever in favor of a semi auto?
i realize that the range has to be open to qualify in order to do it but I could swear that they had such a program
I saw them (3 deep) in an unmarked car as they went shopping. No radio or paper assignments????????? It was a hard kick to my gut as we were in a backlog... I REALLY don't give a fuck anymore!
no surprise?...fleet is a mess, available pool cars is.....well, non-existent; radio shortages, pdt's always don't work, the automated case report system is a joke, the folks being ordered by 35th St. (hq and inside district folks) to go on the street can't get out (and even if they did, seems like they're more of a danger to themselves and the real street cops than if they stayed inside somewhere); there is a real crisis in leadership (manpower, deployment, supervision, equipment)...may God look over us if the city gets hit with a major crisis....
this is a safety grievence and should be a blanket grieience via FLOP. The criminals[no- not the Democratic party, the other criminals] have assault rifles and we are supposed to return to 6 guns because of our fuck-up Criminal mayor and his implanted mindless Quizling CPD Supervisors have run everything into the ground.... "Yeah, go out and work for these ASS-Holes, race around and bust your balls for them. They're on our side and have our backs, remember????? I'd rather have the Manson Family have my back than Richie, Jodie, Duggiee and Company.
The ACCADEMY range is closed due to lead and OSHA standards , Area4 & 5 closed to all rifle and shotgun...!!!!
Isn't there one person with authority in the entire CPD with enough common sense to pick up a telephone and ask if the CPD can qualify at the Sheriffs range in Maywood or an ISP range? Anyone?
Stop complaining. It's all under control and Weis is doing a great job. Blog 501 says so!
A chinaman told me that all ranges are closed for rifles/shotguns citywide. The quarterly rifle quals and/or rifle zeroing are not being scheduled until further notice (no one knows when). they are looking into using ranges owned by suburban depts. state police and possibly FBI range (clearances might be an issue), but none seem promising due to the travel (we have no cars).
on the lighter side, you wheel-gunners could hop on down to the range and tell them to switch your aux to your primary. You might default your .357 into a non-duty status causing you to "store it out of the city" or pay $20.00 a year per six guns or some shit like that. at least you'll be carrying what you want to carry. carry that shit legit nowadays because even though you'll be fine legally, civilly the city won't back you.
that is all, be safe
I'm not sure how to react to this because this old fart remembers well replacing his trusty model 10 with a trusty model 19. We didn't take a shine to pistols back then, though a Smith 9mm was garnering some attention.
I remember attending some weapons demonstrations in Iowa where a cop/researcher, Terry Fairbanks, did both hands on and computer model (circa 1976, no less) research with various guns.
The conclusion at that time is that the hand cannon with the most stopping power was a Smith .41 magnum (sorry, Clint Eastwood).
While we were in the Quad Cities area we also had a chance to fire civil war era weapons. If you want firepower that can do a whole lot of damage, that would be the way to go.
There was also a lot of debate back then about ammo, specifically the pros and cons of hollow points which were often "politically incorrect." Regular 158 grain ammo was seen as dangerous, ricochet prone and with limited stopping power but Canadian cops were restricted at that time to carrying either a model 10 or 19 with 158 grain regular loads.
A lot of us chose to sidestep the hollow point controversy back then by using 125 grain semi jacketed soft points -- greater stopping power than the 158 grain loads but not as controversial as hollow points.
My how times have changed!!!
My auxiliary/off duty gun then was a model 10 with a four inch barrel and small grips because I didn't want to be caught in a tactical situation with a five shot gut gun.
We did have ammo worries back then about being outgunned by Teflon bullets and others we couldn't afford or carry. Second Chance vests were relatively new and we didn't carry anywhere near the gear then as today (although speed loaders and pocket ammo packs were popular).
The volume and weight of today's gear is likewise interesting. A couple of years ago I met a newly retired Wisconsin trooper who pulled the pin because his back couldn't stand the strain of all this gear.
The state patrol supt. personally wrote back, telling him he was welcome to stay with a modified uniform, a response the trooper never even dreamed he'd get.
At the end of the day, being properly armed and trained is a basic that needs to be fully respected, period.
Some people will complain about anything. I work in 007 and am glad to see the extra cars from "back to the streets" out there. All the MSF, TRU, Gang Intel etc, NEVER do any paper,or get jobs, so why the Haten on these other P.O.'s. Believe it or not there are none street duty jobs that MUST be done so the rest of us can play outside. I for one am glad they someone else to do it....
cocme on Range Master Dan, what are you going to do for the troops?
Completely off topic but thought it might be interesting for some cops to let a blogger know how they feel.
There's a gentleman going by MikeB
http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/
That, well I'll let his own words explain.
Yes, indeed, I base many of my ideas of reality on TV and movies, and I say stopping cars with a pistol is the stuff of Hollywood.
And, yes, indeed, I consider police who shoot their guns at criminals to very often be overreacting. And just like the private citizen who uses his defensive gun a little too quickly, what's the cop gonna do afterwards? He's gonna dress it up as best he can. After all, the guy was a criminal anyway.
That is a common attitude among cops. I never said most of them abuse their power, like I've been accused of, but I have said it does happen and it happens too often.
Would any cops who disagree want to stop over and let him know?
Thanks :)
If it is a duty weapon it would be an Alternate, not an Auxillary. Alternate qualification has not even started for the year at this point, so no one should be expired if they have been keeping up with the program. Did you bother to call the Range and see if you could come in? We would generally make an exception if you are legit.
Range Guy
Carry the 9mm and let them try and do something to you if you need to use it. It's not your fault they can't maintain a range system. What are they going to do? Get a CR# on you because THEY let the system collapse? Fire you because you used a gun that THEY previously said you were qualified on? We have what now, two ranges for a Department that consists of (allegedly ) 13,500 Officers? This place is unbelieveable!
I went to qualify with my .45, which is my prescribed duty weapon, and couldn't because THERE WAS NO .45 AMMO! I was told there was no contract to get .45 ammo, likely they meant that a Vanecko didn't yet have an interest in an ammo company.
So I started out the year unable to qualify with my firearm in a major US police department because they had no ammo.
$500 billion for Olympics but no .45 ammo to qualify police officers.
Brought to you by Richard M. Daley, mayor.
Officer, carry what you want, expired or not. Worst comes to worst, you get a day, but your family gets to keep you.
My qual expired too.
I will continue to carry my aux weapon. I have qualified with it for years and a date on a calender means squat! It's funny how a BS 30 round course makes you a trained marksman.
It is the departments responsibility to ensure training and the ability to train.
Why is it that after 23+ years I haven't had refresher defensive tactics training. Why have I not received recertification in CPR since the academy? Why is it that a video here and there counts as training for the giving subject? There is no ability for po's to ask question.
If I get gigged I'm hitting the medical!
Hey FOP you there? Put the picnic planing aside and do something useful please. If this isn't a safety issue nothing is.
All the desk jockeys should be sent to work in, 4,5,7,10,11,15th districts. They should be given a beat car and let loose.
If not, keep them inside where they can't hurt anyone.
Hire me to run your range program.I'll show you things that you only read about.I'll do it for 310,000 a year,plus a car,gas and lunch vouchers.
Back to the street is about a show of force on the street. They are there to watch your back.
Its like shooting ducks in a pond for inspectors or INV TV REPORTERS.Drive thru any shopping area and I will bet you will find A MARKED SQUAD CAR BT XX59 in the lot and CAGNEY & LACY inside shopping.Once again the only people who get scrutinized will be the m/2 patrolman taking a 34 minute lunch after handling multiple in progress calls.
The misallocation of manpower is borderline criminally negligent.When a P.O. is injured or god willing killed in the line of duty the dept should be held CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT and hearings held with that CMDR in an open forum,to explain why a ONE MAN CAR is being sent to IN-PROGRESS CALLS 99,when an available 2 man car is closer but shopping at LANE BRYANT.
Instead of BACK TO THE STREETS,how about WASTE AT THE TASTE,Send all of the inside people to the TASTE OF ANARCHY and keep the tact teams IN THEIR DISTS.
Back to the street is about a show of force on the street. They are there to watch your back.
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Watch my back from inside their cars. What a joke!
Anonymous said...
And beat 814 was down in 008 due to no manpower! As usual the taxpayers get less service!
6/26/2009 12:06:00 AM
If I am not mistaken, when I was in 008 thirteen years ago, Beat 814 worked the courts, no???
Not many taxpayers out there, or the area directly around there.
If you are there, and CPD, you really need to look into moving.
Good luck...
44C been kickin' ass in 011!
being required to transition backwards to a revolver in the face of increasing firepower utilized against the police and citizens because the Department can't run a range program to save its life.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Fine. You take the full hit if you miss and hit a nun.
Signed,
Corp Council
Apparently, he price of ammo has gone sky high and you know the rest.
SO YOU MEAN THAT THE INSIDE PEOPLE GET PAID TO SIT IN A CAR TO READ THE PAPER? WHATS THE POINT OF HAVING THEM ON THE STREET IF THEY DON'T DO POLICE REPORTS OR RESPOND TO 911 CALL? WISH I GOT PAID TO DO NOTHING AT A DESK AND NOTHING IN A CAR.
there's a rumor that the msf guys are riding 3 and 4 deep because there are no cars.
Is this even true?
If so the pud needs to explain why.
We did have ammo worries back then about being outgunned by Teflon bullets and others we couldn't afford or carry.
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I had forgotten about the silly panic over teflon coated bullets, when the teflon was never the problem. The same bullet without the teflon is every bit as bad. The teflon just protected the barrel of the gun.
But every one remembered somehow that teflon is bad.
Pud killed morale
Pud is now killing infrastructure , primarily, equipment availability.
in essence,
pud is killing citizens as a result of poor administration
murder city
Why is it that after 23+ years I haven't had refresher defensive tactics training. Why have I not received recertification in CPR since the academy? Why is it that a video here and there counts as training for the giving subject? There is no ability for po's to ask question.
If I get gigged I'm hitting the medical!
Hey FOP you there? Put the picnic planing aside and do something useful please. If this isn't a safety issue nothing is.
6/26/2009 07:47:00 AM
Inservice training requires personnel at the academy to do training. Yet everyone screams that the academy is open. Brust orders academy to detail out ten instructors a day with a sgt to work seat belt missions on the south side. The team must impound cars and write tickets. Not to answer calls and make arrests. But the new focus will be the hoods in the woods program. Teach young felons ethics and leadership. Do you think the priorities and way out of whack?
Cancel all details and put everyone BACK TO THE STREETS. No TRU, MSF, 189 and all those other asshole units that don't do anything but steal time.
I still use my flintlock pocket pistol as a backup.
Why not let the NRA and the NRA's LEAD program run the ranges and firearms training programs? It's one of the things the NRA does best, range ops and training. http://www.nrahq.org/law/
Can you just imagine the anger and spittle that short shanks would exude if the the NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION took over city wide PD firearms issues? Wowzer!
And what is with certain cars that are manned by former inside people being held down for 2-3 hours at schools for "teaching?" WTF???
In the "old days" we had a saying in the academy: Better tried by 12 than carried by six.
But a poster had a good point, why not use another range? County? State? Burbs? Whatever happen to cops helping fellow cops?
Guess I should answer my own question. It took me less than a minute to find several open ranges for pistol, shotgun and rifle. The tech college in Kenosha just opened a full police academy WITH a range. I think there's also one at College of Lake County. Load five or six guys in a car and go.
Point is: how hard is it to pick up a phone and call someone? It's not rocket science. It's common sense, something J-Fed lacks.
Wasted manpower, wasted manpower.
No, I'm not some liberal nut, but I do think we sometimes put too much manpower where and when it isn't needed and taking it away from where it may be needed.
Case in point. Whenever some mopes have a demonstration at the federal building, we send beaucop bluesuits down there with helmets, etc., for what's always much ado about nothing. Often we outnumber the demonstrators.
I was in Washington on a Saturday when the first major Iraq war protest was held a few blocks from the White House. DC brothers were setting up and offered me a cold soda and munchies from their coolers and bus. They have their own bus (Greyhound style) which stores their riot gear, etc., and if a mass arrest situation occurs, can double for transport. Otherwise, DC cops maintain a lower profile (think of it like an alcohol free tailgate party for cops at the air conditioned bus) unless they expect or get trouble. They can and do respond if there is a problem but lay low otherwise.
I was very impressed at how they handle these things.
Alex Sanchez, known nationally for his anti-gang work with Homies Unidos, is held on conspiracy and racketeering charges. He allegedly was involved with the Mara Salvatrucha gang.
A nationally known anti-gang activist was arrested Wednesday on federal racketeering and conspiracy charges stemming from his alleged involvement in one of the most violent street gangs in the United States.
Among the alleged crimes was a plot to kill a Los Angeles Police Department detective who specialized in investigating the gang, authorities said. Gang members had gone so far as choosing a handgun with which to kill Det. Frank Flores, authorities allege, but police thwarted the plot.
Sanchez's arrest comes as officials seek to train former gang members to work with at-risk youths. He is at least the fourth anti-gang worker to be charged with gang-related crimes in the last several years.
L.A. City Councilman Ed Reyes, who said he gave $5,000 in public funds to Homies Unidos for a children's soccer program two years ago, said he was "totally shocked" by the charges.
The case against Mara Salvatrucha is the third major gang filing by the U.S. attorney's office in recent weeks.
Hello, and welcome to being an ordinary Chicago subject!
Oh, except the subjects can't even have the .357, without jumping through flaming hoops. Annually.
Oh, unless they're an alderman, other Daley courtier, or even just an ordinary crook, like a robber, rapist, or murderer, subject to the law only by accident.
Understand: I want my cops armed and capable.
I just want to be armed to the same degree. If I can't be armed, I want you guys in the same boat. You ought not be privileged.
"The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen...."
-- Robert Peel
[Disclaimer: I live in Houston, Texas, not Daley's gun-free, paradisaical fiefdom.]
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@Not A Dog: "My qual expired too.
I will continue to carry my aux weapon."
And how, exactly, do you feel about folks without badges carrying in defiance of the law (but in accordance with the Second Amendment)? If they defend themselves, and you find out about it, will they get to go home anytime soon?
Tell me again, exactly, why having a badge puts you above the law?
"TASTE OF ANARCHY", I like it, it's catchy, like Chalkie....I wonder if the guy who used to make the Chalkie shirts and caps can make something with that, I'd buy a few.......
GRAND CROSSING GUNSLINGER
we're downing cars in 005 on 3rd watch. Here is what they don't tell you about the 10 hour days, 1/3 of your man power is rdo everyday. Not enough people to man the cars and the bosses are getting real comfortable denying CU time
A 2-man car has to shop at Lane Bryant. Men need very large sizes when it comes to womens wear.
I've seen some the back to the street people working. I recognize a a lot of them from the days of housing projects with stairs to climb, paper to write down several jobs at a time( No PDT's) so there was no back logs. Most have more time on the job and have done more to date then any of the 5 year super hero's we have on the job now. As far as being a danger to themselves and not knowing the job it's funny how every generation forgets that there actually were people doing this job long before they were. Stick together people. The boss's and City love to read and hear how low we have sunk with regards to each other.
Back to the street is about a show of force on the street. They are there to watch your back.
6/26/2009 08:20:00 AM
Way back!
FYI Look at AMFN 092586 If it's forcasted to be above 80 degrees and you are in the bureau of patrol, you can wear shorts and don't have to be at a detail.
Instead of BACK TO THE STREETS,how about WASTE AT THE TASTE,Send all of the inside people to the TASTE OF ANARCHY and keep the tact teams IN THEIR DISTS.
GREAT IDEA I LOVE THE TASTE!!! THANKS FOR YOUR SUGGESTION now you stay in the district because I know you are working hard reducing shootings and drug sales like a Good Little Boy:)I bet no one will get killed or shot at while you're on the streets
I enjoyed the "Back to the Street" Program.
I finally realized how busy districts are...and while beat cars were handling jobs we went shopping and ate at the best restaurants.
To the busy districts that I drove in circles keep up the good work.
It is "Back to the air-conditioning" for me at headquarters so I can play with my Blackberry.
Look at the ISP. Triple A with a badge. They have everything issued to them. .40 cal glocks, 12 ga shotgun and AR15 rifles. They shoot 4 times a year and have def tactics training 4 times a year. CPR/1st aid cert annually. All they do is handle accidents and write speeders and have great training, while we the real police get nothing but heartache.
no brainer, fuck this department and protect yourself and your partner and the public and use your 9 or .45. it's very obvious this mayor,sup., and bosses don't give a fuck about anything but themselves. be safe
How about the 5 people shot and one dead in 025 the past two night.
Anonymous said...
Officer, carry what you want, expired or not. Worst comes to worst, you get a day, but your family gets to keep you.
6/26/2009 07:46:00 AM
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Sort of AGREE but we are learning slowly that what was ONCE a DAY is now 10 days.
What was once 3 days is now 30 days!
WE ARE SCARED and to GAMBLE and GET CAUGHT you end up in LIMBO!
Unit 376
Revolver ? A great gun for dealing with a threat up close...points well, wont jam and can make long range shots when cocked in single action mode. The Safariland Comp 2 speedloaders are better than the HKS with the stupid metal knobs that turn. With the Safariland all you do is push and they load the rounds. The Comp 1 is made for 5 shot snubs. With the semi-autos on the streets today, i can see why anyone would hesitate to go out with the revolver. Break a rule if it means you make it home safe every night.
And beat 814 was down in 008 due to no manpower! As usual the taxpayers get less service!
6/26/2009 12:06:00 AM
Who the hell allowed a Beat car to be down? I sure hope the W/C takes time for that bullshit!!!!
Inservice training requires personnel at the academy to do training. Yet everyone screams that the academy is open. Brust orders academy to detail out ten instructors a day with a sgt to work seat belt missions on the south side. The team must impound cars and write tickets. Not to answer calls and make arrests. But the new focus will be the hoods in the woods program. Teach young felons ethics and leadership. Do you think the priorities and way out of whack?
6/26/2009 10:10:00 AM
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Heard that Brust and Wedster made a traffic stop in 005 the other day, (no pc for the stop other than they didn't like the looks of the driver)
The entire entourage of this seat belt mission was in vehicles behind them.
One officer was made to search the driver and found two bags a weed.
Brust and Wedster wanted the driver locked up for the weed.
The officer politely told them that they did not have pc for the arrest and let the driver go.
I retired my wheel gun and made as my primary weapon my S&W model 4586.Auxillary weapon is a Springfield 9mm subcompact , which is terrific.
AUX WEAPON QUALIFICATION EXPIRED,
RANGES NOT IN OPERATION
MANPOWER TO OPERATE THE RANGES NOT THERE
With a stroke of a pen, J-Fed could temporaily extend ALL AUX WEAPONS QUALIFICATIONS.
That would make some sence.
while we the real police get nothing but heartache.
6/26/2009 02:43:00 PM
I guess you're not the real police any more. The ones that get the training and the gear are now the real police while you are just a report taker working for a criminal mayor and a rat Fed.
They have the John Howard society to protect criminals and how jails are run, isn't there a society or organization that protects the police and how the department is run? What the fuck?
Nothing like focusing on basics!
---not a cop
Your biggest concern is to get home to your family evey night.If that means that a chickenshit rule gets fractured, so be it. You're alive when it's over.
Anonymous said...
Back to the street is about a show of force on the street. They are there to watch your back.
6/26/2009 08:20:00 AM
How can they have my back?
Can they see through newspaper from a parked car 5 blocks away from the fight?
TASTE OF ANARCHY is hysterical!!!!Wait until MARNI GOLDBERG from WILMETTE gets the TOSSED SALAD FROM G-LOVE from ENGLEWOOD.It NEEDS TO GET WORSE BEFORE IT CAN GET BETTER,let it go! Remember TACT TEAMS IPICATH(SP) SYRUP does the trick,make the TASTE OF ANARCHY look like the pie eating contest from "STAND BY ME".Show the city just how SICK YOU ARE.
4 entrances is an improvement but,YOU STILL LET SHITBIRD IN for free.Be very careful dumbases picking and choosing who gets in,you are not the doorman at STUDIO 54,and don't buy bosses bullshit because you are the one on the hook in the federal lawsuit.GIVE THE WORLD "THE TASTE OF ANARCHY"
Saw 2 blondies working back to the streets car, the only problem they were observed up in 016. I doubt that 016 is a district that is getting the back to the streets cars assigned there.
A couple of comments:
To the guy who supposedly lives in Texas. The State of Illinois Law gives a Peace Officer the right to carry a handgun, not the private citizen. That's who gives us the right. And before you get too choked up about the unfair law, most police believe that others should have a gun, it's not a privilege for a few. For us, it is a tool of our profession. Not a right.
Too the other asshat tough guy. What, you can't make a post without showing everybody that you are a big bad dogass CPD copper. Fuckhead. You go work by yourself every day with no one to help you if you get in a jam. Why don't you make a few stops on he Dan Ryan by yourself and tell me how Troopers aren't the police. You're an ass.
Troopers, most of us have your back and appreciate the job you do. Just like you, we have our idiots....
Stay safe
"Saw 2 blondies working back to the streets car, the only problem they were observed up in 016. I doubt that 016 is a district that is getting the back to the streets cars assigned there."
????
016 is home to about 3,500 sworn and their families, including mine. They're sending out the house-mouses just like all the other districts, and they stay in-district. Hey, I'll take what I can get.
And beat 814 was down in 008 due to no manpower! As usual the taxpayers get less service!
6/26/2009 12:06:00 AM
814 is one of the few beats in the city and the oly one in 008 with two cars assigned (814H the housing car is still up everyday even though the jets are empty)... stop you crying...
Anonymous said...
And beat 814 was down in 008 due to no manpower! As usual the taxpayers get less service!
6/26/2009 12:06:00 AM
814 is one of the few beats in the city and the oly one in 008 with two cars assigned (814H the housing car is still up everyday even though the jets are empty)... stop you crying...
6/27/2009 09:30:00 AM
Um Blow me!
there's a rumor that the msf guys are riding 3 and 4 deep because there are no cars.
Is this even true?
If so the pud needs to explain why.
6/26/2009 09:58:00 AM
They ride three deep because a partner has taken off. If its four it probably because there douche bag Sgt. needs to ride with them at all times and that car is three man for the night. You will fit right in at strike force with the other retards, apply now.
To the Anonymous poster at 6/27/2009 01:03:00 AM:
Thanks for your reply.
"To the guy who supposedly lives in Texas ...."
I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as fast as I could. No, really. And please note I am not posting anonymously.
"The State of Illinois Law gives a Peace Officer the right to carry a handgun, not the private citizen."
The U.S. Constitution protects the right of all citizens to keep and bear.
"That's who gives us the right."
That's what gives you the power. More than a little different.
"...[M]ost police believe that others should have a gun, it's not a privilege for a few."
To the degree that's true, I salute those officers.
Here's the deal, though: As I read through the comments before mine, I saw nothing about, "As a citizen, it's my Constitutional right to carry whatever I see fit."
Instead, I saw a lot of people advocating violating the regulations as necessary to protect themselves. My question is, when you find a citizen carrying what she thinks she needs to defend herself, will you cover for your fellow citizen as vociferously as you would cover for a fellow officer?
"For us, it is a tool of our profession. Not a right."
And that brings us back to Peel. Many of us non-badged citizens believe we have a duty to be armed, as well as a right; that a firearm is a tool of citizenship, not just our jobs.
We want to go home at the end of our shifts, too, as well as at the end of yours. And when we are at home, we want to defend our home, and our families, just as you do.
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