Thursday, July 30, 2009

Anatomy of a Public Castration

This was a hilarious bit of theater that took place all day Wednesday.

Scene I, Act I: Sneed's column:
  • Sneed hears Police Supt. Jody Weis has issued a new deadly force police policy, which is scheduled to go into effect this weekend.

    • • To wit: Chicago cops will now be permitted to shoot at drivers or passengers in cases of felons fleeing in motor vehicles. (Weis' policy advisers recommended the change.)

    • • The upshot: Proponents claim it helps protect cops.

    • • The buckshot: Critics claim the new policy is "ridiculous" and the liability to the City of Chicago could be astronomical.

    • • Translation: "Officers were allowed to use deadly force to prevent death or great bodily harm to themselves or another person, but it didn't allow them to use force to apprehend a fleeing forcible felon," said a police source. "If confronted by an oncoming vehicle, officers were simply told to get out of the way, unless they were put in great danger," added the police source.

Note the key words designed to generate outrage among the populace - "permitted to shoot at drivers or passengers in cases of felons fleeing in motor vehicles." Wow. Just wow. Shooting passengers? We don't know who fed Sneed this bit of crap or on who's orders, but well done! She ran with it and the entire day's events were completely predictable from that point forward. Sneed gives some play to the "policy advisers" who feed her the info and we're assuming this is the "policy group" made up of clout babies with a grand total of eight years experience.

Act 2, Scene 3: Around noon, Shortshanks had a starring role:
  • The mayor said the Chicago Police Department is working to improve its existing policies, but has not officially changed anything.

    Mayor Richard M. Daley said reports that the CPD had changed its police policy on deadly force in incidents involving felony cases where suspects fled the scenes in vehicles were incorrect.

    Earlier Wednesday, a CPD spokesman told ABC7 the policy was going into effect this coming weekend. However, Daley said that's not the case.

Why do we have a sneaking suspicion that the CPD spokesman who gave that interview might be headed back to a district in short order? Last time we checked, it was the Superintendent's signature that appeared on the bottom of most General Orders, Special Orders, Department Notices, or whatever. The Superintendent was the Administrator and set policy direction within the bounds of existing local and state laws. Daley pretty much removed that power by stepping in as boldly and publicly as he did. In essence, he grabbed J-Fed by the balls and gave him a bit of a shake.

And finally, the public castration of the Superintendent (Act 3, Scene 2):
  • Chicago aldermen -- not Police Supt. Jody Weis -- would decide whether police officers can fire their weapons at felony suspects fleeing in motor vehicles, under an ordinance introduced Wednesday amid conflicting statements about an impending policy change.

    Chicago Sun-Times columnist Michael Sneed reported the new deadly force policy scheduled to take effect Aug. 3. It was confirmed to her by Police Department spokesman Roderick Drew, who did a subsequent radio interview discussing the new policy.

    But, the change was apparently not cleared with the powers that be at City Hall, a no-no for any Chicago police superintendent.

And guess who introduced the ordinance that removed the Superintendent from being the figurehead power dictating policy? Recently indicted aldercreature Ike Carothers!

Priceless.

Ike who was giving J-Fed all sorts of flak during public hearings. Ike who was ignored by J-Fed, either because J-Fed knew of the coming indictment or because J-Fed figured Ike was just another blowhard to be ignored. Ike, even though he's under federal indictment and wore a wire for a year, gets to make the proposal that shows everyone exactly who runs the show here in Chicago and presents the mayor with J-Fed's testicles in a jar. What a show.

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127 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is easy to explain.

A.) J-Fed trying to wake the sleeping guard dog

B.) J-Fed trying to get some street cred.

C.) Arrests are down and therefore so is Lovey and Lovey's source of income. We all know CPD can't shoot for sh-t. Some one will tag a small child and Lovey can start earning again. Remember if Lovey isn't earing than .... well draw your own conclusions.

7/30/2009 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Carothers doesn't want the police to be able to shoot at felons that are attempting to flee, because he may get shot. Same goes for Burnett, the convicted armed robber.

Mitts, who is too stupid to commit a crime, is afraid her voter base will no longer exist if this is the case. I was forced to turn on closed caption to be able to understand what she was talking about, I originally thought she was commenting on Walmart.

7/30/2009 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Entertainment at its finest.

7/30/2009 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happened with the semi-private meeting held in Area 3 yesterday where J-Fraud was handed his ass by Alderman Shulter?

7/30/2009 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I loved the savage that they interviewed on the news about whether or not the new policy should be implemented, " Man, I know some people that do some stuff, but to shoot 'em just for a felony? That ain't right."

.....................MY DEAR LORD.

7/30/2009 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CAN I PLEASE HAVE AN EVENT NUMBER FOR SCENE #2???????????? THANKS.

7/30/2009 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous da WEISel's gynecologist said...

"...presents the mayor with J-Fed's testicles in a jar." - SCC

The jar would be EMPTY, SCC. Da WEISel has no cojones; just the consummate asshole.

7/30/2009 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New t-shirts should be worn in City Hall. "I'm with stupid" with fingers or arrows pointing all over the place printed on the front.

7/30/2009 12:40:00 AM  
Blogger Phil Schitz here said...

SCC:
isn't there a rule and regulation about bringing disrepute to the police department? Will there be a CR# on J-Fed, Policy group?

This group of imbeciles make it difficult for my screenwriter friends to write comedic police stories. When real life in a police department is funnier than a sit-com, it means one thing: They're setting J-Fed up for an early departure.

7/30/2009 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the guy hired by the city to run the dept cant set policy, then why the fuck do we need a superintendent???

7/30/2009 01:27:00 AM  
Blogger snethen's law said...

If this wasn't so pitiful, it would be funny.

7/30/2009 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are in soooo much trouble....


How many YEARS will it take us to get back to a "Real" Police Dept? Too many nit-wits at the top.

7/30/2009 01:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this isn't the typical "distract them with antic so no one will see what is REALLY going on over here" scheme, I certainly don't know what it is!!!!

Where did this come from OUT OF THE BLUE???????

7/30/2009 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT: Glad to see 1761 District Tact team detailed to 015 while a homocide occurs near Kilbourn Park in 017! Fucking brilliant!

Another guy gets pinched with a gun in 016 near six corners on a bike July 27th. Meanwhile 1661 team still detailed to 015 as well. Fucking Outstanding!

7/30/2009 01:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chalkie visited 017 tonight...one shot at Kilbourn park...Adios pinche way!

7/30/2009 01:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck the fucking news spinning Sneed!

7/30/2009 01:52:00 AM  
Blogger Phil Schitz here said...

This castration means Weis is a goner.

7/30/2009 02:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do not waste yo time shootin at the gas tank. These mofakas allweays be on E.

7/30/2009 02:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn! WEISel gets played like a $2 hoe by Ike and Shortshanks! I guess Sneed now knows that she can't do anything to enhance the reputation of WEISel as anything more than Daley's personal ball warmer.

7/30/2009 04:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How come if an officer is indicted he is stripped and sent away before his or her next tour of duty, yet this fat fuck Carothers gets to keep playing Alderman? Shouldnrt he be on home monitoring or at the Alderscum version of Callback? Just a thought. Hey Ike, shut the hell up!!!!

7/30/2009 05:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Only in Chicago would the chairman of the city council police and fire committee be under a federal indictment and allowed to dictate policy to the police department. Jody is history. More shootings in one week than in Iraq, bungling policy group with no police experience, being publicly humiliated by the mayor and the alderthieves, Adios J-Fed.

7/30/2009 06:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck Sneed. IPRA will get a CR against us for shooting at someone trying to run us over. Its happened several times and the DO need to change that fucking order. Sor fuck the media and change the order.

7/30/2009 06:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Have to rearm the police with frangible ammo. (Geco BAT bullets) These break up on hard surfaces, lessening ricochets and injury to persons inside nearby buildings.

7/30/2009 07:06:00 AM  
Anonymous 19 D David said...

I give Jody kudos for attempting the change.

Maybe he will bitch-slap the kids in the policy group for opening their pieholes.

So does everone finaly see that 'shanks and the 50 dwarfs don't care about you? It's easier to bury you and give your family a few shekles then deal with lawsuits. Paying out millions in those suits means less money to purloin for themselves.

7/30/2009 07:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A big part of this f*ck up was by our spokesperson Roderick Drew (who is a civilian by the way). I'm not sure if this ranks up there with the contact card being kind of like a written warning by everyone's favorite person, Coho lips, but it is close.

Our spokesperson should be a cop or a person that was a cop because they just don't have a clue. It would be like one of us being the spokesperson for the american medical association.

7/30/2009 07:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who shoots at anything these days better be 100% right and be able to prove it. I won't be shooting at any cars just to catch someone. No way. My time is too short.

7/30/2009 07:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sneed is a Daley "Puppet". Daley pays J-Fed a million $$$$ over 3 years to look like any type of asshole that Daley needs at the moment.

Daley is in negotiations with the producers of "Looney Tunes" annimations to release items regarding the CPD & CPD Policy. It is expected that they [Looney Tunes] will soon handle all City news releases as well. Bagdad Bob will narrate when neccessary.

Daley finds the animations to be easier to understand and they keep him laughing when he's away from his alderthieves.

Sneed is sitting on an item from Daley's youth !

Hizzonner always admired Elmer Fudd & wanted to be like him when he grew up.

It seems he has surpassed good ole Elmer.

7/30/2009 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah , please send the 1761 team back to 017. The arrest for DOPW and Obstruction of Traffic are way down. Stay in 015 ,a useless team.

7/30/2009 07:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Georgas has been promoted to McNulty's old spot.

7/30/2009 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Just WOW!

But doesn't it all seem like this sort of chain of command should be against the law? It's certainly does not benefit the citizenry.

J-Fed might as well move his desk outside the Mayor's office, put on a skirt and some lipstick and start taking messages.

---not a cop

Almost forgot, Masters.

7/30/2009 08:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mitts, who is too stupid to commit a crime, is afraid her voter base will no longer exist if this is the case. I was forced to turn on closed caption to be able to understand what she was talking about, I originally thought she was commenting on Walmart.

7/30/2009 12:25:00 AM


Maaan, fuck that closed captioning, you got to get you an urban translater, bro!

7/30/2009 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Now officers will be able to fire upon the driver or passenger in a vehicle if that person is a forcible fleeing felon, someone who has committed a very serious offense resulting in bodily harm or has threatened to commit great bodily harm," police News Affairs Director Roderick Drew said.

But later in the day, it turned out that the change was not cleared with City Hall, and thus may not be instituted. An ordinance was also introduced Wednesday that would require the approval of the City Council for a change in policy regarding deadly force.

Ooops!

The midget just spanked J-Fed.

7/30/2009 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If someone ever decided to turn Chicago government into a reality show, it would break all viewing records.

7/30/2009 08:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What nobody seems to understand, and that includes J-Fed, is that he could do a LOT of damage if he wanted to. At this point, he's fucked, so what difference does it make if he shook things up a little.

Me, personally, I mind my own business, but if someone starts fucking with me and I'm gonna go down, I'm taking everybody with me.

J-Fed could tell them all to get fucked, started acting like a man and a leader and start a major shindig. I mean let it all fucking hang out. Start naming the names, walking the walk and talking the talk. After all, he is the boss of the CPD. He just hasn't realized it yet.

7/30/2009 08:09:00 AM  
Anonymous HATER said...

BABY NUTS -JFED IS LOSING A GRIP!

HIS POLICY GROUP IS A BUNCH OF MENTAL MIDGETS WHO U WOULDNT WANT WORKING A RADIO ROOM IN A SLOW DISTCRICT.

J-FED KNOWS ABOUT AS MUCH ON THE SHOOTING POLICY AS THE RANGE INSTRUCTOR AT THE ACADEMY HAVE ACTUALLY SHOOTING ANYONE.

AN MISTER MICHAEL SNITCH SNEED IT SEEM U DONT HAVE TIME TO VERIFY ANY INFO YOU RECIEVE!?!

U MIGHT AS WELL BE A BLOG...
AND PLEASE REFRAIN FROM DOING TV U ARE WRINKLING UP FROM THE HOT LIGHTS.

AND PLEASE DONT SHOT AT ANY CARS IF U ARE PICKING UP HOOKER ON THE WEST SIDE. ITS JUST PLAIN RUDE TO THE WORKING LADIES!

7/30/2009 08:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the guy hired by the city to run the dept cant set policy, then why the fuck do we need a superintendent???

7/30/2009 01:27:00 AM

X-act-a-mundo.

7/30/2009 08:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Opening soon..."Jody"...a contemporary urban opera. Set on the slimey streets of Chicago, it's the story a not so young, big foreheaded freak, who becomes entangled in a web of deception and intrigue. This tragic work ends with our main character falling out of love with himself forever. So sad....but the music is to die for!

7/30/2009 08:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the guy hired by the city to run the dept cant set policy, then why the fuck do we need a superintendent???
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You do understand don't you, that there is a whole world outside of the police department. A police department cannot on its own just set up a policy that conflicts with what the political establishment wants. Thats why there are politicians.

IMO, it is a dumb thing to be shooting at a car that is solely trying to get away. the chances of actually hitting it or the driver in a way that stops the car is very low and the chances of hitting something or someone else is pretty high.

I can only imagine the look of contentment on the bottom feeders' faces the first time a cop shoots at a fleeing car only to hit an honor student instead.

7/30/2009 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous STILL DID SOME said...

Do you REALLY think they give a shit about us being efective or safe on the street.

Cost of dead cop is zero to the city.

Don't kid yourself.

Quick funeral, cheap flag to the family, brown street sign that is taken down 3-4 years later [check it out in the asshole 19th ward] and done.

Hire the next target at less dough.

As an aside - anybody look at their activity on the Performance Recognition System recently. My boss was giving mw a good natured ball busting the other night.
Seems all but one of my arrests for the year no longer are counted.
Better yet, the good SGT. has over 100 contact cards for the year to her credit [guess who approves them]. Not bad for a gal that never leaves the office.

I tried to reach the little tech-no wienie at 35th street who allegedly runs this thing, but I guess Mike T. is just too busy to answer or return calls.
A co-worker [nephew of a boss] was sitting nearby and ran his performance record.
We all got a laugh off this - over 40 arrests, 3 guns, missing CR # [medical role violation] and 12 awards for the year.

Also not bad for a guy who spent a couples of months on the medical and says he hasn't recovered a gun in over 7 years.

Guess his pillow is just being fluffed up a bit for a "merit" promotion, or is this just another way the department is further fucking-up the scant remaining morale?

7/30/2009 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how can a federally indicticted aldercreature stop officers from being able to defend ourselves against people trying to run us over?

7/30/2009 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
How come if an officer is indicted he is stripped and sent away before his or her next tour of duty, yet this fat fuck Carothers gets to keep playing Alderman? Shouldnrt he be on home monitoring or at the Alderscum version of Callback? Just a thought. Hey Ike, shut the hell up!!!!

7/30/2009 05:42:00 AM

When Ike was indicted, Daley was asked by some reporter, (who may now be sleeping with the fishes!), are you going to ask for his resignation. Richie, (the Godfather of the Daley Crime Family), said this is America and he's innocent until proven guilty.

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT!

7/30/2009 09:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This castration means Weis is a goner.

___________________________________


I think Weis wants out, and he planned this.

7/30/2009 09:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The truth is "This Stuff Is Not Funny Anymore" The Police Dept., The City Government,The State Government, The Federal Government. Are all leading us to disaster. Truth is, a pay raise is probably the least thing you have to worry about.
Your money will soon be worthless.
What Can We Do As Americans ???

7/30/2009 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-Fraud probably hopes and prays that our deranged moron of a Mayor fires him. Unlike us,he has a contract and can walk away from Daley's madness with a ton of cash.
Our cash.

7/30/2009 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chalkie visited 017 tonight...one shot at Kilbourn park...Adios pinche way!

7/30/2009 01:49:00 AM

To the CPS student, I mean the Latin Saint. Next time bring a gun when you chase real gangbangers who have a gun. This was poetic justice at it's finest. For once I actually applaud the shooter. The victim and his buddies were fucking with everybody and everything that went by them.

7/30/2009 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What happened with the semi-private meeting held in Area 3 yesterday where J-Fraud was handed his ass by Alderman Shulter?

7/30/2009 12:26:00 AM


Alderman Shulter lives in 019. More than once, I've seen seen him in the station yelling. He's a screamer! He must be wild in bed!

One time he called 911 to get a car towed that was "blocking" his driveway. The beat car wrote a parker and left. Blowhard Schulter
walked into 019 and began yelling at the Capt. Turns out the car was ticketed for being within 15 ft of a driveway but was not blocking it. Schulter just thinks the spot in front of his house belongs to him. What a POS!

7/30/2009 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
How come if an officer is indicted he is stripped and sent away before his or her next tour of duty, yet this fat fuck Carothers gets to keep playing Alderman? Shouldnrt he be on home monitoring or at the Alderscum version of Callback? Just a thought. Hey Ike, shut the hell up!!!!

7/30/2009 05:42:00 AM

Agreed but fatass ike can take more dumb alderthieves down with him this way! ike another reason to get rid of all aldermen, then there is 7 bodyguards do nothing burke!

7/30/2009 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Superintendent Jody Weis , show the Mayor and aldercreatures who's running the CPD. Reasign all Commanders , demote Commanders that have officers hidden in front office while beat cars are down , promote the best people without recommendations from city hall . Cancel body guard details for the connected aldercreatures.
Remember you have a contract , do your job , make your officers proud. Close a few districts to save money . Good Luck

7/30/2009 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

award another ring on the city's flag

the greatest show on earth and it's 6 ??? ring circus

clowns abound

7/30/2009 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Weis was embarrassed by the whole COzzi incident, maybe this public thrashing will have Weis call some of his fed buddies and really start looking into da mayor and his cronies...da pres won't be able to save him because he may well be wrapped up in it..
Wouldnt that be justice if the mayor hired the guy that brings him down?
sorry i am a little hopeful today i wont $50 on a scratch off....

7/30/2009 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Judy, I know its alot of money but is it really worth it??

7/30/2009 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

F O R ALL YOU HARD WORKERS IN 016-017-020-019

Who complain about having your tac teams in 015 because your so short in your districts. Don't go hatin on anyone from 015. Most officers in 015 are here because we choose to be there and deal with our work environment the best we can. BUT we are glad for the extra bodies in 015 and I will say, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. We really appreciate the back up. I feel for the districts that lost those resources, and its still chicago in those districts and shit can happen. But were playin the odds and we really needed the help. I hope we can do the same for you guys and gals in the future.

JUST A REMINDER WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND ITS THIS BOND THAT KEEPS US STRONG.

7/30/2009 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If only more than 10% of the department practiced shooting on a regular basis rather than just to qualify maybe we would have a better hit ratio and shooting at felons in moving cars might not be an issue.

When TTU opens up more classes through e-learning it might be a good idea for all of us POs to sign up for them... I see too many officers on the streets that have no clue what they are doing... especially on priority calls.

7/30/2009 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe someone should call SNL and tell the comedians there that now with Palin out of the picture, they should send their writing team over to 3510 and rent an office on the 5th floor. Seems like plenty of material they can use to boost their ratings...at least until after October.

7/30/2009 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the thing...we CAN and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN able to shoot at a fleeing felon, (not a one bagger, a forceable felony). As far as shooting at cars, even in the current order, if a vehicle is bearing down on a po and the po cannot move, he can shoot. Even if he can move, he can shoot because the USE OF FORCE model labels him as an assailant armed with a deadly weapon that can cause serious injury or death... He shot while moving because he didn't think he would make it out of the way in time and had no choice but to try to preserve his own life. So, this attempt by J-Fed to 'rewrite' this issue is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. AT BEST it would be a clarification. The very fact the shitty council or that our attorney (cough snicker) of a mayor cannot figure this out speaks volumes about the ineptitude of our 'leadership'.

7/30/2009 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn! WEISel gets played like a $2 hoe by Ike and Shortshanks! I guess Sneed now knows that she can't do anything to enhance the reputation of WEISel as anything more than Daley's personal ball warmer.

7/30/2009 04:38:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How come if an officer is indicted he is stripped and sent away before his or her next tour of duty, yet this fat fuck Carothers gets to keep playing Alderman? Shouldnrt he be on home monitoring or at the Alderscum version of Callback? Just a thought. Hey Ike, shut the hell up!!!!

7/30/2009 05:42:00 AM

The alderman version of callback is sleeping at the jardine water plant...

7/30/2009 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The cross-eyed fuck up gets his balls fwacked AGAIN?

He's one sell-out-motherfucker to continue to put up with this. I don't care how much money he's making.

What a douche bag.

"......end up like a dog that's been beat too much."

-B. Springsteen
Freehold, N.J.

7/30/2009 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a liberal, and I'm happy about the policy change. But maybe that's because I live in a shitty neighborhood and I'm sick to death of the crime in this city. I guess maybe I'm not that liberal.

7/30/2009 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's time for the annual stupid festival. Time for all the out-of-state people to bring their shitty, non-functional guns into our city and the real, working guns are never turned in. Pass the kool aid:

Gun Turn In

15 august 09 at numerous Make Believe M.B. churches throughout the city.

7/30/2009 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There will be no shooting at fleeing vehicles...instead, you will be issued "stickets" or sticky tickets, which you will fill out and stuff into the tube of an M79 grenade launcher. Then you will launch the sticket at the fleeing vehicle, thus generating needed revenue so no clout employees are laid off.

Michael Masters

7/30/2009 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Leaders of the panel are well qualified.

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7/30/2009 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My questions here are rhetorical.

Has anyone in a "leadership" position, and I do mean "position" in City government ever looked into this topic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

Isn't their a one or two star exempt who studies these legal issues for the department? I think the word "counsel" is in the title. Maybe not. Like our selected leadership I'm too lazy to read.

Is are children learning?

I know it bothers certain people in city government, Richard M Daley, but federal law trumps local law. That was settled in 1865.

Now if the "fleeing felon" is trying to run your ass over shoot away. If he's going in the other direction on his Schwinn.......

Fuck it. I'm going to go grab a burger.

We desperately need a real urban law enforcement professional in this department. There are a number of potential candidates out there with real success in other cities.

I know having someone qualified may scare Richard M Daley, but maybe he could take a chance?

Since the LAPD has now been released from Federal Oversight, perhaps some hardass Judge could take over the CPD and appoint a new "leadership" team. Just to keep the scales in balance of course.

7/30/2009 11:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We'd maybe get somewhere by --

* Fielding the M4

* Allowing its use on people hanging on corners for hours shouting, clutching their genitals, and keeping their arms underneath their shirts, jerking the arms around so it looks like two big squirrels have gotten in there and are chasing each other around the person's torso.

Additional points awarded for hats off to side, golf visors worn upside down and backwards, one pants leg up and the other one down, etc.

Otherwise, I don't see any hope.

7/30/2009 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nothing this department says means anything.

YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN!

If you shoot your gun, the instant that bullet leaves your gun, you are on your own. Department guidelines won't keep an ambitious State's Attorney from putting you in jail. It won't keep a jury from forcing you to pay punitive damages. It won't keep the media from getting you fired.

Who runs this police department? Nobody.

Nothing this department tells you means anything. You are an independant contractor. If you do nothing, they will pay you and leave you alone. If you do police work, they will give you a shinny pin if it works out and they will fire and/or jail you if it doesn't.

If you ever arrest a person without a citizen signing a complaint, expect to be sued. Expect to lose that suit. Expect to pay your arrestee.

If you continue to insist on stopping and arresting because it's fun, have at it. Each time you roll the dice. Sometimes you'll get a shinny pin. One time you just might get fired.

7/30/2009 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A recently indicted soon to be felon, Ike Caruthers setting policy. That's lovely. Just fucking lovely. The entire city council should be on the cover of Time magazine to warn America what happens when thieves and criminals rise to the top. It's almost like something out of a comic book story. No, I take that back. It IS something out of a comic book story.

Completely and utterly disgusting. People should be outraged.

7/30/2009 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago government, CPD management....it really is a farce, isn't it?

7/30/2009 12:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taken straight from the FBI shooting policy, would have been a huge plus for CPD against the savages.

7/30/2009 12:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a Filmore Ranger and everyone is a felon so I'm shooting into every car....BITCHES!

7/30/2009 12:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chalkie has visted 017 three times in the last week...yet the tact teams are detailed out...so let me get this straight....the 015th district residents get every unit around and now every north side tact teams and residents of 16 and 17 get punished

7/30/2009 12:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
If the guy hired by the city to run the dept cant set policy, then why the fuck do we need a superintendent???

7/30/2009 01:27:00 AM

Exactly what i was thinking!
Paying him 300k+ a year and he can't even implement any policies. Unbelievable.

7/30/2009 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's time we conceded to a loss in the "war" on "gangs, guns, and drugs." Declare certain Districts "no-go zones," and cut off all public services.

7/30/2009 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...Glad to see 1761 District Tact team detailed to 015 while a homocide occurs near Kilbourn Park in 017! Fucking brilliant!

The same thing happened in 017 last week!!
Homicide on Central Park / Wilson while the Tact team was on a field trip to 017!

7/30/2009 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Hot Pursuit said...

I rest my case... J-Pud is nothing more then a puppet for Shortshanks.
He isn't allowed to tie his wingtips without consulting his beloved King, so much for another case of the great Ex-Fed bending over for the little one, talk about selling your soul… Hey he’s still here… WTF

Snobbs Column? Can you expect anything other then comics when your reading just that?

7/30/2009 01:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just tell me when I can start and which way to aim and lookout

7/30/2009 01:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
OT: Glad to see 1761 District Tact team detailed to 015 while a homocide occurs near Kilbourn Park in 017! Fucking brilliant
*********************

Really and what were you 1761 guys going to do about it? Stand around the crime scene and gawk?

Go get an event number!

7/30/2009 01:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jody if you have any pride or backbone you would offer your resignation. Face it, you are a lame duck superintendent. You have no power or control over anything. You are a ballless sellout that is here for the money and your ego. Well, your ego should be shattered by now. Your attempt at being the police has been comical and a utter failure. Now you have been publicly humiliated again this time by your boss. Do everyone a favor and try to save what dignity you have left and resign.

7/30/2009 01:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumor has it that Georgas made Deputy.... a slap in the face to Kevin Ryuan, who has been the actor....

7/30/2009 02:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT

visit this blog. he's ok but kind of an Irvoy Tower kinda guy. let him know about being the police

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/07/contempt-of-cop-v-contempt-of-court.html

Contempt of Cop v. Contempt of Court
The fairly arbitrary exercise of judges' power to cite, fine, and even imprison for "Contempt of Court" hasn't much been criticized in four decades. The last time I can recall a harsh spotlight being shone on the institution of "contempt of court" was when the antics of the Chicago Seven (Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Mr. Jane Fonda, etc.) at the end of the Sixties overwhelmed the irate judge.

As I've suggested before, "contempt of cop" needs to remain in a legal grey area below the certainties of "contempt of court." Yet, the concept can't be dismissed out of hand. Policemen aren't judges, although they need to share in some of the awful majesty of the law to do what needs to be done effectively and safely. Moreover, they deal with people in much more, uh, exuberant settings than a courtroom, so cops should (and typically do) cut people more slack than judges do.

7/30/2009 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ot:
Hey, I'd just like to say imagine if there was no MSF, TRU, GEU, SAT, and Area Tact teams. Each district could possibly have 25+ more bodies. I realize some districts like having that extra help, but sometimes those outside units aren't there. So imagine having that back up every day? Imagine getting time off whenever you wanted except holidays?

I feel like John Lennon

7/30/2009 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where did this come from OUT OF THE BLUE???????


Perhaps the policy department is too young or inexperienced to know the background of this policy or they recycle others ideas...

The background is that we used to have this policy some time back. One fine day a chase happened downtown involving a qualifying offender and unfortunately a pregnant woman was struck during the chase. The officers did eventually catch the car and legally fired shots into the vehicle to stop the offender when he tried to run over the officer. Of course we were sued and the then Supt. at the bequest of the Mayor eliminated that policy even though the police weren't at direct fault.

If those resurrecting this policy were older or in the know, they would have known this or maybe asked someone and spared themselves the public embarrassment. We all know that the Mayor is not going to take any chances on extra lawsuits. The city pays enough illegitimate payouts to shitheads.

Despite this, who the heck signed off on the Aldermen being responsible for CPD policy? Isn't that the the job of the Police Board? Don't they have the final say on our policy decisions? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought so. If the police board is not allowed that function then what has the council left for their job? Only disciplinary items? I wonder if the aldermen changed the city ordinance to reflect this? In any case, this whole issue is just another case of an unqualified person grabbing for illegitimate power over things which already have entities taking care of them.

7/30/2009 03:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ot

CBS appears to once again tracking shootings:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=115037845470000927794.00046fd9b3d348a4725d1&ll=41.904992,-87.688537&spn=0.024626,0.055661&z=15

7/30/2009 03:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

those of you who hate georges, you got your wish he is the new ads of special functions. Not sure who will replace him, maybe mary sarlito...

7/30/2009 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this comment from an 011 2nd watch officer in the "seven in one blow" topic...

"Thats why I drive past with the blinders on, I will never do anything for this city. Now give me my 2 event numbers so I can nap the rest of the day."

_______________________________

im sure you are one of the people yelling and screaming about how we better get a contract and a great raise and better benefits and full retro.... why the hell do you deserve anything. quit your bitching. you dont do anything anyways and think that you deserve the world. This is a JOB. do you think that if you worked in the buisness world that two event numbers and a nap would keep you employed?? no, you would be fired within a week and you would be laughed at when asked for a raise. let me guess, well i have to go on all of these calls and deal with the animals. well guess what, thats in the job description.... napping in the hole is not. write some movers or parkers at least for gods sake... you dont even have to lock these morons up, bring in an anov... its simple. do something to jusify your existence.. pathetic

7/30/2009 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Do not waste yo time shootin at the gas tank. These mofakas allweays be on E.

7/30/2009 02:50:00 AM

...........

Its better when the tank is low. Its the gas vapors that ignite causing a fire.

7/30/2009 03:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the guy hired by the city to run the dept cant set policy, then why the fuck do we need a superintendent???

7/30/2009 01:27:00 AM

To take fall when something bad happens.

7/30/2009 03:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS SHIT JUST CANT BE MADE UP.....

LETS START SHOOTIN!

7/30/2009 03:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daley pretty much removed that power by stepping in as boldly and publicly as he did. In essence, he grabbed J-Fed by the balls and gave him a bit of a shake. lubermen soon joined in.

7/30/2009 04:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a perfect example of de-policing!

We are NOT allowed to action even to defend ourselves!

Let this city burn to the ground!

Even the Feds have better rules of engagement than the CPD!

Bottom line is don't do nothing on the streets!

The liberals and the reverends want to protect their thieving flock!

7/30/2009 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-fed had Ike indicted. Payback for the sh*t he pulled at the hearing.

7/30/2009 04:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the distraction start to appear in the dept and they become front page that means one thing. The crime family will be receiving money that they must hide without the BGA, MEDIA and citizens finding out.

7/30/2009 04:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF SUBJECT: Did they find Bear Yet??????

7/30/2009 04:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the guy hired by the city to run the dept cant set policy, then why the fuck do we need a superintendent ??

We need a Supt so that Daley has a fall-guy.

J-fed made his own bed with the rank and file, and for that I say, screw him, but I doubt the melonhead had any idea what he was getting into with Daley and the Aldermen. I just don't think he was that bright to know what he was getting into.

He's do dumb he got fired from the M&M plant for throwing out all the "W"'s.

He's so dumb, it takes him an hour to watch Chuck's 10 o'clock news program.

He's so dumb, when he goes to the porn theater he sees a sign that says "NC-17 (Under 17 Not Admitted)" and he walks away sad because he knows he doesn't have 16friends.

Come on, let's have a little fun here...

He's so dumb, he .....

7/30/2009 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now Weis knows what it feels like to have to take orders from criminals. How does it feel J-Fed? Emasculating isn't it? Especially when they are as patheticallly stupid as Chicago's own brand of federal criminals are.

7/30/2009 05:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

remember the order from many years ago which stated that you just need to get out of the way to avoid being hit by a fleeing whatever and you therefore have no need to fire your weapon--- HINT HINT--- we have your back 200 percent but if the sugar turns to shit we never told you to do that--when will you fuckin guys learn, the cpd loves it when you make a good pinch with no collateral damage--- you get an honorable or a d/c and you are a hero for an hour--- but step on your pee pee and you are persona non grata--- WAKE THE FUCK UP--- don't be the next hero sitting down at call back for 2 years waiting for your thirty pending and termination by the police board--- the pooch who sits at the dunkin donuts all night doesn't get screwed, it's the working guy who gets fucked---WAKE UP ------

7/30/2009 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Major Blockrounder said...

We can shoot people?

Point #1

It only plays well in the media if we GET SHOT!

Point #2

Screw the media.

Point #3

Protect yourself. Protect your partner.

7/30/2009 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word is penny is out of 7 God I hope this is true. Ding Dong the witch is dead!!

7/30/2009 05:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any idea how well the new 9mm rounds will penerated a vehicle? Are they going to richoche off the windshields? Or is just for the few who have M-4s?

7/30/2009 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The problem is that aldershits are running the cpd along with shanks. JFed should stand up to these shits and tell them to go pound sand. Why would a police super listen to some political clown on how to run a major police dept.? Whe whole scene is absurd.

7/30/2009 06:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jody you can go to the bathroom on your own but you can not make decisions... that's what richie is for, silly fed

7/30/2009 06:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Abner Mikva is the mope who brought J-Fed to the dance.

7/30/2009 08:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a JOB. do you think that if you worked in the buisness world that two event numbers and a nap would keep you employed?? no, you would be fired within a week and you would be laughed at when asked for a raise.

----------------

What really gives me a good laugh is that you will get fired long before he does. Then, you'll get a first hand look at the business world you seem so fond of.

Now that would be funny.

7/30/2009 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Despite this, who the heck signed off on the Aldermen being responsible for CPD policy? Isn't that the the job of the Police Board? Don't they have the final say on our policy decisions? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought so.

-----------
Police Board is strictly for personnel decisions: hiring, firing, discipline.

7/30/2009 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
OFF SUBJECT: Did they find Bear Yet??????

7/30/2009 04:17:00 PM

Yes he was found a couple of weeks ago. He's safe. He was found in a cemetery west of his house.

7/30/2009 08:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, that clears that up. Now....., what the hell are we supposed to do?

7/30/2009 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O R ALL YOU HARD WORKERS IN 016-017-020-019

Who complain about having your tac teams in 015 because your so short in your districts. Don't go hatin on anyone from 015

Not the point, I sympathize with you. But my family pays more in taxes than the average block in 015 I would like to see a squad car every so often.

7/30/2009 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

im sure you are one of the people yelling and screaming about how we better get a contract and a great raise and better benefits and full retro.... why the hell do you deserve anything. quit your bitching. you dont do anything anyways and think that you deserve the world. This is a JOB. do you think that if you worked in the buisness world that two event numbers and a nap would keep you employed?? no, you would be fired within a week and you would be laughed at when asked for a raise. let me guess, well i have to go on all of these calls and deal with the animals. well guess what, thats in the job description.... napping in the hole is not. write some movers or parkers at least for gods sake... you dont even have to lock these morons up, bring in an anov... its simple. do something to jusify your existence.. pathetic

Hey company softball, GFY. I answer my radio, back up my fellow coppers. That is all that I am required to do. I haven't written a citation since 07, not a job requirement sorry. Sorta like the difference between call 911 off duty and handling an incident.

7/30/2009 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any idea how well the new 9mm rounds will penerated a vehicle? Are they going to richoche off the windshields? Or is just for the few who have M-4s?
---------------------------------------------------
Speaking from experience ; 9mm and .45 will penetrate windshields just fine!!

7/30/2009 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any idea how well the new 9mm rounds will penerate a vehicle? Are they going to ricochet off the windshields? Or is just for the few who have M-4s?
7/30/2009 06:20:00 PM

What about my .38+P?

7/30/2009 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IDI Amin setting the deadly force rules for the police I love it.

7/30/2009 11:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

F O R ALL YOU HARD WORKERS IN 016-017-020-019

Who complain about having your tac teams in 015 because your so short in your districts. Don't go hatin on anyone from 015

Not the point, I sympathize with you. But my family pays more in taxes than the average block in 015 I would like to see a squad car every so often.

7/30/2009 10:02:00 PM

########################################

Your on the point brother. Worked in 016 for a retirement party and there's enough work to go around but the major concern is that the district is really big and to go on a bullshit call on belmont and then head to 10-1 up north is insane- back-up is a distance away and if your off duty its a long wait for the calvary.

So you have a great point which we all have to remember when dealing with 016 dist coppers. The district maybe slow but they guard our families while we go about our tours of duty elsewhere.

So to those who put the effort into protecting our love ones at home may it be 008-009-016-018-019-022 or any response to our families home for assistance.

THANKS BROTHER / SISTER

It makes it easier to do my job when we care about each other.

7/30/2009 11:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking from experience ; 9mm and .45 will penetrate windshields just fine!!

7/30/2009 10:15:00 PM


Speaking from experience;Dept issued 38 cal 158 gram hollowpoints,"WON"T"
at least not on the windshield of a 72 Chevelle,they bounce off the windshield like BBs.If I was'nt the one pulling the trigger I would'nt have believed it myself.But then again,maybe they made windshields stronger in the 70's!

Retired................and loving it!

7/30/2009 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-----------
Police Board is strictly for personnel decisions: hiring, firing, discipline.

7/30/2009 08:19:00 PM

and doing what the midget tells them to do. Why don't you call your fed friends now? Sounds like conduct unbecoming JP.

7/30/2009 11:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What we need in this city is a good old fashioned coup de ta. There is no other way to put it. The political system is broke, and broke bad. The corruption is running amuck and no one seems to be able to stop it, much less want to stop it. It may just be time to take matters into our own hands. Sounds radical, doesn't it. This is what our fore fathers had to wrestle with over 200 years ago. The only difference now is that WE, the voting public, allowed it to happen. We have no one to blame but ourselves. We allowed the corruption to grow and grow and no one lifted a finger. Now we are crying foul and no one is listening. Shame on us for letting it get this bad. Elections are a bit away but we have got to get out the vote and speak at the polls. We have to do it now or it may really get to the point where we will have to do something very radical. I dread that day.

7/31/2009 12:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I always thought one first needed balls to be castrated.

7/31/2009 12:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the guy hired by the city to run the dept cant set policy, then why the fuck do we need a superintendent ??

We need a Supt so that Daley has a fall-guy.

_________________________________


Truer words have never been spoken.

7/31/2009 12:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bring in an anov... its simple. do something to jusify your existence.. pathetic

...You want pathetic? I'll give you pathetic Sir.
Doing "real" police work is fun, but it DEMANDS and needs a lot of something in return.

I'm not talking about an anov, an event number, or dime bag every day. I'm talking about chasing, beating, being beaten, internal police fights, divorces, friends killed, dinking with two beers in each hand every night till your eyes cross, court 2 to 3 days a week, family management,
10-1's, foot chases, cr's, dead kids, dead assholes, social structures that inclue hustling anyone including family or police, bad bosses, balless bosses.
Thats 011 in about 6 months time.
Do it for a year, and that something asks for you to pay its debt.

Then ALL that "great" police work gets you NOTHING, but a good reputation if you got no clout.

You will be slighted, angry, and pretty much give up on the "brotherhood" b/s the bosses like to spout.

Whats worse, try working in that environment, within this modern police environment. They don't go together, and its now come full circle.

These sad affairs are NOT the resposibility of the patrolman, but the command staff and the politicians that they have paid to enhance and develop their careers.
This too has now come full circle.

Your Command staff has created this attitiude, and I don't blame this Officer one single bit.

I'll ive you a clue too; throw that dog a bone, and you might see his tail wag, and maybe he'll get off his ass. Beat him down, and he won't listen.

For the new kids with under 15 years this was once called "junk yard dog" syndrome, and we all got it for at least a bit of time.

Bless you all, even the "dog".

7/31/2009 12:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a Filmore Ranger and everyone is a felon so I'm shooting into every car....BITCHES!

7/30/2009 12:45:00 PM

LOL what the fuck is a filmore ranger. 2 year jerk off

7/31/2009 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm a Filmore Ranger and everyone is a felon so I'm shooting into every car....BITCHES!

7/30/2009 12:45:00 PM"


Yikes!

Time to take the bus?

7/31/2009 03:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Speaking from experience ; 9mm and .45 will penetrate windshields just fine!!

7/30/2009 10:15:00 PM


Speaking from experience;Dept issued 38 cal 158 gram hollowpoints,"WON"T"
at least not on the windshield of a 72 Chevelle,they bounce off the windshield like BBs.If I was'nt the one pulling the trigger I would'nt have believed it myself.But then again,maybe they made windshields stronger in the 70's!

Retired................and loving it!

7/30/2009 11:48:00 PM

....................

The range now issues 125 g jacketed hollow points for the .38. It is a better round but I don't know if it will go through a windshield,

7/31/2009 04:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

re: .38 special loads...

buffalo bore 158gr. +p lead hollow point gives a very good account for itself. of course if you want to shoot through both sides of a boxcar you'll be disappointed...

7/31/2009 07:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At Least he tried

7/31/2009 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that he as been totally de-balled J-Fed or J-Fraud should be called Judy-Fed/Fraud.

7/31/2009 05:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-B. Springsteen
Freehold, N.J.

7/30/2009 11:20:00 AM

And quoting that police hater takes away any credibility you have.

8/01/2009 06:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Speaking from experience ; 9mm and .45 will penetrate windshields just fine!!

7/30/2009 10:15:00 PM


Speaking from experience;Dept issued 38 cal 158 gram hollowpoints,"WON"T"
at least not on the windshield of a 72 Chevelle,they bounce off the windshield like BBs.If I was'nt the one pulling the trigger I would'nt have believed it myself.But then again,maybe they made windshields stronger in the 70's!

Retired................and loving it!

7/30/2009 11:48:00 PM

....................

The range now issues 125 g jacketed hollow points for the .38. It is a better round but I don't know if it will go through a windshield,

7/31/2009 04:44:00 AM


Why would you be shooting through windshields with a wheelgun? Get a young turk with a carbine to do that stuff.

8/01/2009 07:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Lemmy Caution said...

Does anybody even read Sneed anymore? Isn't her 15 min. up?

8/01/2009 05:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-B. Springsteen
Freehold, N.J.

7/30/2009 11:20:00 AM

And quoting that police hater takes away any credibility you have.

Take it easy Garth. Go listen to some Tesla. Mom wants you to throw out the garbage when you come upstairs.

8/01/2009 10:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'...Glad to see 1761 District Tact team detailed to 015 while a homocide occurs near Kilbourn Park in 017! Fucking brilliant!'

Do you dummies really believe that your tact teams are all that when it comes to preventing murders?
Have patrolmen just abdicated all of their responsibilities to patrolling their districts? WTF?

8/03/2009 07:53:00 AM  

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