No More Residency
In Philadelphia that is:
- An arbitration panel has awarded Philadelphia Police a new five year contract that would begin to lift residency requirements of officers in the force.
As neither police nor firefighters can strike under state law, a three member panel made up of one appointed by the union, one appointed by the city and an agreed upon third-party, decided the details of the contract.
The panel did not give officers a raise in the first year, but offers police will offer three percent raises in years two and three. Wage increases in the fourth and fifth years will be determined in a reopening of the process.
Under the new residency guidelines, by 2012 officers with five years of experience will be permitted to move out of the city.
This was an arbitration panel. Under Illinois law, cities with a population of over one-million don't have to make residency an issue of collective bargaining. As written, the law only applies to Chicago. But as we've heard, everywhere the local FOP has sued over residency, they've won it. It's a slam dunk case. Listen to their mayor:
- "And so I'm not pleased about this change, but frankly in only two of the 20 largest cities across the country, Chicago and Milwaukee, are police officers required to live in the cities they patrol," said Mayor Nutter.
There it is.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
202 Comments:
Holy shit SCC, Don't do that!
So what are we waiting for?
Dont even think about it! It AINT gonna happen! Hope and dream in one hand, shit in the other, see which fills up first!
I used to be all for it, but now I'm settled in, probably won't be able to sell my house for what I paid, and living in a "cop" neighborhood, the exudos would flood the market with houses for sale, further dropping the price of my home. No thanks, I'll grin and bear it a few more years......
Light at the end of the tunnel?
Maybe, just maybe i can move out of this god forsaken shit hole and still keep my job. Lets all keep a good thought. Fuck you 42 extra short and your band of thieves.
CHICAGO WILL DIE IF RESIDENCY IS LIFTED. PHILADELPHIA WILL BE ANOTHER DETROIT VERY SOON.
To be honest, getting rid of the residency requirement is the thing I crave most about the job. Get the fuck out of here.
I would be gone tomorrow!
hell yeah! is it too late to slide this into our contract?
The FOP has got to set their sites on this for the next contract. I know many many people living in the north and south copland areas will not be happy as they believe their property value will decrease, but come on, think of all the future guys/gals coming on and the ones on now that are stuck living in a city that they can't afford. Stuck paying for private schooling b/c they wouldn't dare send their kids to one of these zoo's they call public schools. Stuck paying taxes for all kinds of shit they don't use.
Please, think of us newer people. Sometimes you might have to sacrafice for the greater good. I beg you to do this.
I wonder if i could sue the city/state personally? Is this not some violation of a basic civil right to be able to live wherever i want? I know people will say it's part of what you signed up for, but that doesn't make it right!
STOP! Lodge 7 will not do shit about our contract or residency = Decertify
The idea of policing this city after residency was lifted does not appeal to me.
The residency requirement is one of the things that keeps the NW and SW sides livable and a decent place to work.
Parts of the black districts on the south side would also suffer if residency disappeared. Chatham for instance. How many of the homeowners there work for the city or school board?
The only people that would bitch about lifting residency is those that own in 022 and 016. They are so afraid of their stupid property values. Why can't they see the bigger picture. That many of us are really struggling to provide for our families b/c of being stuck living here. The tuitions alone are practically bankrupting me. I have a little shack that i paid so much for i'm embarrased to say. I know many that can't even afford a house in this city anymore.
It's really gotten out of hand.
Why doesn't the FOP lobby down in springfield for this to be lifted. I'm positive that with minimal effort and work the legislature down there will see that this rule is arcaic and should be struck down.
But they probablly haven't b/c they're afraid of their property values. So the new guys and all the rest of us will continue to scrap by and barely make it.
Thanks a lot.
THIS IS A WAKE UP CALL FOR THE FOP. TAKE THIS TO COURT. THIS IS BULLSHIT AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! THIS CITY AND COUNTY SUCK.......
I would love no residency requirement. However, if it goes through, it will put us on the faster track to being another Detroit. On top of a multitude of other problems, once Detroit lifted residency, that was the end.
Last one out turn out the lights.
Fuck daley... it's a racist rule to keep the white man from leaving thiss hole. You want me to stay asshole, it's going to cost you $10,000 a year on top of my salary.
Forget about the retro check and pay raise. I will even write you book of parkers and 10 movers a WEEK! Please, just let us live in the suburbs or at least within 30 miles of the District(s) where we work. I'm begging you.
Let's face it, not all of us wants to live in this city with the HIGHEST tax in the nation let alone send your kid(s) in a gang and drug infested schools I don't care either private or public..
Wouldn't it be nice?
Well maybe we can squeeze shortshanks for a contract next time....say in about 5 years when the new contract is already dead for at least 3 years??
Sounds like we need to make it clear to FOP to get off their ass or we vote their asses out.
The Milwaukee PD do have officers residing outside of Milwaukee. I personally know one, there are exceptions made to residency.
Any MPD PO's wish to clarify this?
Please, think of us newer people. Sometimes you might have to sacrafice for the greater good. I beg you to do this.
12/20/2009 01:55:00 AM
I'll have what he's smoking!
i would love to hear what these liberal politicians say about residency behind closed doors. what is their reason for keeping it? what are they afraid of? shhhh.
Kind of off topic:
Where's does Dupage County start south of O'Hare?
Where is the closest Dupage county gas station to the NW side? How much cheaper is it?
Our property taxes keep going up anyway, and we can't get a raise?
My freaking motrgate payment went up $200 a month for the off-set in escrow cuz the county property tax.
My freekin water bill has gone up 75% in the past year. I would like to see everyone send a message at election time. VOTE THEM OUT!!! Stoger and Daley got to go!!!!
LIFT THE RESIDENY REQUIREMENT!!!
AS USUAL THE BOO BIRDS WORRY ABOUT THOSE VALUES IN THERE VERY ORDINARY HOUSES... A FLAT SCREEN TV ON UR WALL AND A WHIRLPOOL WITH A CHEESY BAR "AINT" GONNA GET U A HALF MILL FOR YOUR HOUSE.
SAD TO SAY UR HOUSES WOULDNT APPRAISE FOR WHAT YOU PAID IF U BOUGHT IN THE LAST 12 YEARS.
IF ANY OF U WERE PAYING ATTENTION ASK THE OLD TIMERS (OVER 55) WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH THOSE MANSIONS ON A FORTY FOOT LOT.
SO RESIDENCY IS A GREAT THING IF THE FLOP DEEMS THEY HAVE THE BALLS TO FIGHT 4 IT.
ELECTIONS R COMING SOON FOR THE FOP BOARD HOPEFULLY SOME OF THOSE GREAT SCHOLARS W/ COLLEGE RUN INSTEAD OF BUMPING THEIR GUMS.
YOU CANT LIVE IN MOMS HOUSE 4 EVER!
Roll the dice in arbitration next time, we will win!!!
The only people that would bitch about lifting residency is those that own in 022 and 016. They are so afraid of their stupid property values. Why can't they see the bigger picture. That many of us are really struggling to provide for our families b/c of being stuck living here. The tuitions alone are practically bankrupting me. I have a little shack that i paid so much for i'm embarrased to say. I know many that can't even afford a house in this city anymore.
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WOW! You sound like a Democrat. I can't afford my kids I didn't know what I was getting into when I signed on. Government...help me out. Legislate some change for me even at others expense.
I don't think you would get the help you need if they lifted residency. You sound like you need some financial counseling if you are struggling. You signed on with residency as part of the package. Live within your budget. That includes kids.
If they do away with residency, you'll start on the hour, they don't care about commute time. You think the suburbs are Nirvana? Have you done any financial detective work on them. You can't afford the ones with good schools if you can't afford Chicago. Stop looking for a silver bullet - aint no such thing.
Go for it FOP or you are out next time. We need representation with balls.
If you think for one minute that the grass is greener on the other side check out what the taxes are in some of the surrounding suburbs. In Oaklawn the property taxes are 6K a year for the same type of house that I live in. Want to send your kids to Oak lawn High school? No shortage of assholes at that school. Garbage collection? If you load up that can with anything other than household garbage they'll charge you an extra fee to haul it away. I'm all for lifting residency but explain to me why many people that grew up in Beverly went to the suburbs and then after a few years returned to Beverly. Not every resident that lives in the city is employed by shortshanks. I pray that they lift the residency so its another option for Police and Fire but truthfully speaking I wouldnt move out of the city if it was an option. I like my 15 minute commute to work. Fighting traffic for 30 or 40 minutes every day is unacceptable to me, spending an extra 18 days a of my life on the road every year does not appeal to me. I have fellow officers tell me they spend 40-50 minutes fighting traffic every day. Just imagine what it would be like if that was increased to 1 hour a day each way. I would be pulling my hair out of my head. I think lifting the residency would be great but I dont believe the flood gates would open up like many people would like to believe.
Very bad idea. I used to be all for it, times have changed.
1.) Property values will nose dive if it gets lifted. Hey young guys, guess what? If the property values crash, the city craters and becomes Detroit - job cuts, salary cuts, pension gone, etc.... You guys have an interest in this too.
2.) The grass always looks greener....take a look at what a decent home in a decent suburb costs.
3.) Take a look at taxes in places like Park Ridge and Glenview! I don't know about you, but I don't wanna live in Franklin Park, Melrose Park, Addison, etc....
4.) Who wants to commute 1 1/2 hours each way everyday to an affordable spread outside of Cook county?
5.) Public schools still blow in most nearby suburbs and are utilized by DP Eurotrash, gangbangers displaced from the city, and the everpresent offspring of the illegal alien MS-13 member. You can't run away from it! You get what you pay for with kid's schools.
6.) At the end of the line...retire and $ell if you want to leave. Make a profit and go. It makes sense then to beat the taxes, not now.
A word of advice to young guys.....Don't over improve your house when you finally do buy. Many coppers fell into that trap over the last 20 years and are now paying for it. Simple is better.
Be careful what you wish for.
IT WONT HAPPEN DURING THE DONAHOE ERA. NOR THE BELLA ERA IF HE WERE TO WIN THE NEXT ELECTION.
BET ON IT.
PLEASE,NO MORE DALEY SUCK ASSES TO LEAD THE FLOP.
Unrelated Item
To the officers of the 8th district who always respond to the call when someone parks in front of the hydrant on our block, Thank You!
The Law is the Law, J-Fed had law enforced against Cozzi, now " Let our People go to the Promised land of the burbs. ".
too little to late. the housing market is in the crapper. let the newbies buy out in corn country. enjoy the 2+hour drive from snowbound du page. the suburbs are full of shit too/and very expensive... and you wont be living in south barrington unless your last name is ca$hola. this is another issue of big talk,little action. it comes down to this...you want to leave this city, but cant leave the job. you want to detach yourself from work,but you are miles away from retirement too.
Grass is not greener on the other side
Anonymous said...
"...Please, think of us newer people. Sometimes you might have to sacrafice for the greater good. I beg you to do this."
12/20/2009 01:55:00 AM
If it could be done without takin' a bloodbath on the sale of our homes, I'm in. But right now I can't even refinance because the amount I owe is more than the newly appraised value of my home.
Going into retirement, selling at today's market, I'll start my golden years owing $50 TO $100 grand to pay off the mortgage or lose 1/2 or more of my deferred comp.
AND PEOPLE THINK THIS ECONOMY ISN'T HURTING THE WORKING GUY!
a few hundred or a few thousand cops leaving the city for better digs is not going to make much difference one way or the other.
all city employees should be able to live where they want to, and not be trapped in the hellhole Chicago is becoming.
if the city wanted employees to live in chicago they should make it attractive to the employees to live there.
Well I for one would like to move the Frick out of the shitty.
Anonymous said...
Fuck daley... it's a racist rule to keep the white man from leaving this hole. You want me to stay asshole, it's going to cost you $10,000 a year on top of my salary.
12/20/2009 04:51:00 AM
STFU Dickwad! You wanna leave? Go ahead, but you won't be leaving and still be employed! And cram your demand for $10,000 up your ass. You will take what I ALLOW and NOTHING MORE. This is MY KINGDOM... Be happy I let you work for me you bunch of losers!!!
Chicago is the only city of the 20 largest cities in the U.S. to have it. Milwaukee isn't one of the 20 largest cities to begin with.
Wont happen with this mayor.
There wouldn’t be a mass exodus … Many coppers have roots and wouldn’t just flee, so there wouldn’t be such a devaluation of your property … Chicago wouldn’t become a Detroit … The only thing lifting the residency requirement does is give us a nice option … It’s possible, just think the basic schedule hasn’t been re-tooled for 45 years … Change is on the horizon !
OT, another car burglary on 99th and Hoyne. No offender in custody this time though.
Now we're talking!!!!
Anonymous said...
hell yeah! is it too late to slide this into our contract?
12/20/2009 01:40:00 AM
Yes
The difference is in other cities the unions fight residency. In chicago it seen as impossible.
Anonymous said...
Sounds like we need to make it clear to FOP to get off their ass or we vote their asses out.
12/20/2009 05:47:00 AM
You take the lead, I will be right behind you. See you at the next General Meeting.
Anonymous said...
STOP! Lodge 7 will not do shit about our contract or residency = Decertify
12/20/2009 01:58:00 AM
Are you are idiot? If you deceritfy you start all over from square 1! STFU!
Anonymous said...
Forget about the retro check and pay raise. I will even write you book of parkers and 10 movers a WEEK! Please, just let us live in the suburbs or at least within 30 miles of the District(s) where we work. I'm begging you.
Let's face it, not all of us wants to live in this city with the HIGHEST tax in the nation let alone send your kid(s) in a gang and drug infested schools I don't care either private or public..
12/20/2009 05:05:00 AM
Sorry I want my retro,and raises,if you want to move go ahead many are inline for this great paying job!
Anonymous said...
The idea of policing this city after residency was lifted does not appeal to me.
The residency requirement is one of the things that keeps the NW and SW sides livable and a decent place to work.
Parts of the black districts on the south side would also suffer if residency disappeared. Chatham for instance. How many of the homeowners there work for the city or school board?
12/20/2009 01:59:00 AM
Agreed finally some common sense!
So what are we waiting for?
12/20/2009 12:05:00 AM
Union with balls!
Anonymous said...
STOP! Lodge 7 will not do shit about our contract or residency = Decertify
12/20/2009 01:58:00 AM
What a goof.
Does anyone even know how/why we are stuck with residency rules in Chicago?
Illinois labor law, the City had it changed to prohibit residency from being negotiated as part of a labor contract in any city of over 1 million in population.
In Illinois, Chicago is the only one.
So, bring this subject up to the City and they point to Illinois law and shrug their corrupt shoulders.
Here is a news flash: FOP has been trying for some years now to get this provision lifted without success. That's a shocker, huh? 42 short won't let it be brought up or voted on or passed. Period.
Contracts or arbitration or the courts have nothing to do with it. The City of Chicago long ago played the trump card on this, it is in Illinois labor law. Nothing can change until the law is changed.
So decertify, moan, whine and complain your ass off, unless Illinois law is changed, fugetaboutit.
To all of the clueless old-timers, lifting residence will DO NOTHING in making Chicago like Detroit, get a clue already, Im sick of hearing this invalid argument. As a cop and a realtor, I can tell you that most of the homes we own will be sold to guess who? another blue-collar city or other respectable wage earner. can a ghetto rat afford your house? Didnt think so. Furthermore, there are many many other factors at play as to why cities deteriorate to where Detroit has gone, mostly jobs! Please stop using this excuse already, it is not a reason. 80% of the cops on the job want to lift residency, half of them wont move either way, but dont screw it up for the other half!
I used to be all for it, but now I'm settled in, probably won't be able to sell my house for what I paid, and living in a "cop" neighborhood, the exudos would flood the market with houses for sale, further dropping the price of my home. No thanks, I'll grin and bear it a few more years......
12/20/2009 12:29:00 AM
Your probably never going to be able to sell your house for what you paid. Just wait until the mortgage rates start to climb. If people cant afford to buy a 275,000 dollar house at under 5 percent how will they do it when rates climb back up to say 8 percent? Its only a matter of time before they climb back up.
How about the guys who have twenty more years and not just a few more? You dont want to sell your house stay there or rent it out. I'd take the loss it would be well worth it in the long run!
Now woul be a great time to negotiate it.
Take 1% a year and lift residency. Won't cost city a dime since they a claiming both and we can finally get the hell put of this gang infested cesspool
If you already own you are stuck where you are due to the recession. If you already own and they drop residency, you will continue to be stuck because of the large influx of homes that will go up for sale, one trying to underbid the other. Believe me I am not rah-rah about living in the city but we would be cutting off our noses to spite our faces. Your $400,000 home would drop to $225,000 and that $400,000 home you would want in the suburbs would rise to $525,000. How are you going to relocate with price changes like that? Even for first time buyers, it will be difficult to afford inflated suburban prices. Also, and I know this doesn't affect me or most of us out there but your residency will be a deciding factor in merit promotions and specialized units. I guarantee those who move will not even be considered. If this is done, alot of thought has to be put into it to make it advantageous for everyone. Maybe a stipend for those who stay, a tax break, something. Keep in mind too your commute already sucks to work and court, which overtime you will still need despite saving tuition money. In order to avoid all these taxes moving to Park Ridge and Oak Lawn will not suffice. Moving to Orland Park and Arlington Heights will not suffice. Try commuting from Will and Lake counties.
CHICAGO WILL DIE IF RESIDENCY IS LIFTED. PHILADELPHIA WILL BE ANOTHER DETROIT VERY SOON.
12/20/2009 12:36:00 AM
Chicago is already dying. Just wait until they burn through all of the rainy days funds. They don't really have a good revenue source to support all the bullshit that the money is spent on. They dish out 35 million to give back for property tax relief. What a joke! We get a hundred and fifty bucks back. HAHAHAHAHA. It all just goes for tax increases somewhere else.
Give me a heads up if this is going to happen. I need to sell my house before the flood of homes hits the market.
PLEASE!!!!!!!!
I got an idea. How about instead of having to force people to live in your city, you create a city that PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN.
"CHICAGO WILL DIE IF RESIDENCY IS LIFTED"--- chicago is already dead, especially if you are a working middle class caucasian... educate your children and tell them to get out of dodge as fast as they can followed by you after retirement.... on the other hand you can stay and watch junior blossom into a crotch grabbin around the knees pants wearin hat cocked to the left eminem wanna be white trash hillbilly....
I will take a ZERO percent raise if they let me move out of CRook County!! Imagine the money i can save paying the same for a HUGE house in a normal community run by less crooked politicians and schools I CAN USE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fa Getta Bout It!
Two words: Pipe Dream.
What makes you think that you're going to get top dollar for your Copper Ghetto Casa Grande?
Besides most people w/kids in school aren't going to uproot once the ban is lifted.
What suburbs are you going to that don't have the same problems the city does? You aint moving into Kenilworth either, Officer two-job.
It works for the newer hires & perhaps those close to retirement. Mass Exodus? Aint happening....
Please, think of us newer people. Sometimes you might have to sacrafice for the greater good. I beg you to do this.
If you are new you can LEAVE NOW. No one made you take this job which was shit when you got on to begin with. So pack your bags and "fly away little starling. Fly fly fly"
if it goes through, it will put us on the faster track to being another Detroit.
Well then, if you are just working here and not living here WHO CARES IF IT BECOMES A NEW DETROIT!!!
"The only people that would bitch about lifting residency is those that own in 022 and 016"
What?????? I live in 016 and would leave TOMORROW if they said I could. I haven't heard ANY of my police neighbors saying anything different either. I can't afford this hell hole. Taxes went up casuing my mortgage payment to skyrocket for schools that I can't send my kids to. Private school is killing us! I don't know who your sources are my friend, but they don't speak for all of us!
Forget about the retro check and pay raise. I will even write you book of parkers and 10 movers a WEEK!
A WEEK! I guess you don't want to leave that bad you lazy fuck.
Please, think of us newer people. Sometimes you might have to sacrafice for the greater good. I beg you to do this.
12/20/2009 01:55:00 AM
No.
Thanks a lot.
12/20/2009 02:02:00 AM
You are welcome.
The idea of policing this city after residency was lifted does not appeal to me.
The residency requirement is one of the things that keeps the NW and SW sides livable and a decent place to work.
Parts of the black districts on the south side would also suffer if residency disappeared. Chatham for instance. How many of the homeowners there work for the city or school board?
12/20/2009 01:59:00 AM
The south side is shot you cannot go anywhere without the enemy being right behind you Western ave looks like Ashland Where will future Cpd/Cfd so.siders live in the next 20 years?
This Illinois Law is Unconstitutional and should of been challenged by our FOP several years ago. Whatever happened to equal protection under the law? Now that Philly rescinded that law along with NY and L.A. Chicago is the only Major P.D. that requires this. If L.A. and especially NY doesn't require its officers to reside in their cities , what is Chicago's rational.It boils down to Daley sucking every penny he can from us(taxes)! When he gives us a raise he raises up city taxes and fees to pay for it. Since we are required to live in the city in essence we get no raise because he just took it back with all the increases. Hey I live in 016 and as long as I get what I paid for my house I will take the hit just to get out of here. To all of you that say "well you knew about residency when you took this job" go fuck yourselves! In my 18 years on this job alot of things that I also knew about when I took job have also changed. The only thing that hasn't for the better is residency.
On this job the police can't force anyone to do anything.
--Can't force a DUI offender to take the breath test.
--Can't force a shooting "victim" to cooperate.
Yet the city can force you to live in the city.
FOP can you see the writing on the wall. This should be brought to the City's attention. Only two of twenty. Wow! Last in advancement, but first to screw you.
hell yeah! is it too late to slide this into our contract?
12/20/2009 01:40:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The FOP has got to set their sites on this for the next contract. I know many many people living in the north and south copland areas will not be happy as they believe their property value will decrease, but come on, think of all the future guys/gals coming on and the ones on now that are stuck living in a city that they can't afford. Stuck paying for private schooling b/c they wouldn't dare send their kids to one of these zoo's they call public schools. Stuck paying taxes for all kinds of shit they don't use.
Please, think of us newer people. Sometimes you might have to sacrafice for the greater good. I beg you to do this.
12/20/2009 01:55:00 AM
No problem, just on thing. All of you "newer" people can pay in to a fund to pay the "older" people the difference in valuation lost on their homes when the market is flooded with housing.
That many of us are really struggling to provide for our families b/c of being stuck living here. The tuitions alone are practically bankrupting me. I have a little shack that i paid so much for i'm embarrased to say. I know many that can't even afford a house in this city anymore.
Get your old lady a job and some birth control. If you are a police officer and your wife works it's not THAT bad.
I am not against the elimination of residency but it's not the pot of gold that everyone believes. There's a trade off in Everything in life.
Ahh. Fuck it. I lost my train of thought. I'm hungover.
\just remember you brick raised ranch in mount greenwood won't be worth much, cuz who is gonna buy it for 300,000 of no city resid. rule.
If that happened here in Chicago, I'd be only too happy. Wheaton here I come.... Straight shot down 290 to get to 015... love it.
yeah, well, mark, sid, greg and the boys all have a nest egg in 60631 and 0r 60655 and therefore would NEVER even make an effort to have residency lifted! Rather than looking out for the better of the many, they have taken it upon themselves to keep their own self interests in mind. See, if the residency is lifted, they are afraid the value of their homes will plummet...and they are probably right. So they will spew garbage all day about how it wont/cant/isnt the right move blah blah blah when it will in fact help the majority of the force. So thanks, FLOP, for nothing!
Mayor Nutter noted that of the 20 largest U.S. cities, only Chicago and Milwaukee now also require officers to live within city limits. WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR???
ARE YOU LISTENING FOP??
Our residency in in state law. In the last arbitration the arbitrator stated he could not rule on the issue until the state law was changed. Not one state senator or state legislator that has any part of Chicago in there area of representation would even propose the bill. As a favor to the union State Senator John J. Millner (R) of Bloomingdale and Representative Dan Brady (R) of Bloomington are sponsors of the bill in the senate and the house. But as long as Madigan is in charge down in Springfield the chances of the bill passing are slim and none.
What we need to do is get involved by electing police officers to local school councils, aldermen, state reps and state senators. Till then we are pissing in the wind. The petition drive to cut half of the aldermen was a start but it fell very short but it was a start. We need to go the distance with issues and stop bitching, it is the same 125 people at all the fop meetings. If you are not willing to work on something start to finish all we do here is lip service. A lot of people give up their free time to go to meetings, sit at arbitrations, and go to parole hearings who are not officers of the union or unit reps. What are you doing?
TRP
Fuck Residency. Today is a GREAT DAY to be a WARRIOR.
(OT) Was with my Brother a decorated Marine from the Vietnam era,flew into Midway airport,and we talked to an older copper with lots of medals,who told us he was also a "Marine" but yet did not know the Corps birthday,or his mos,or E pay grade! Another poser no will not name him but he was working at 1700 hours, a male black officer! Never call yourself a soldier if you are a faker sir!
Won't Happen Here...
City of Chicago employees are a "captive audience." We are the ones propping up this freakshow and that is truly the elephant in the room as far as any talk about residency. "Home Rule" is on the books because city employees USED to be a BIG VOTING BLOC and a valued constituency to be held on to no matter what. Even if it meant trampling on their right to live and raise their families where they see fit. If the slaves are free to live where they want then Pharoah has no real power over them. Now 42 extra-short has all but said he doesn't give a shit but your ass still has to live here and pay property taxes to prop him up.
BUT...
On the other hand, if residency is ever waived, we like many others are entertaining the notion of selling at a loss just to buy/build in a small town/rural dummy-crat free redoubt (land has quite possibly never been cheaper in modern times but alas, to paraphrase a cartoon character "fuck yo credit," big cash up front is king) and just keep a small flat to flop in during the work week.
Residency blows and everybody knows...
But how would Shortshanks control us then? He would feel that he lost some power over how we live our lives and that just won't do.
We should be happy to beg for scraps from his table and send our kids to shit schools or pay extra for tuition. And the extra gas taxes, water taxes, city stickers and all that too.
Residency is a state law here. It is not negotriable by FOP. You need your state legislators to repeal this law. FOP and police cannot repeal a state law. Legislators can.
Good luck selling your house if they lift residency here.
I figure if you are an excellent salesman and your home is in absolute perfect condition, you should get 30% of what you paid.
But, my favorite part will be when most coppers turn their backs on their non-city-worker neighbors and rent their home via Section 8. I figure 60% of the white males on this department will do just that. Those are the guys who demand a unified front that is until they can take advantage of being the first one to bail. Remember. Never trust another cop to do the right thing.
Pt.II:
Can you imagine the outcry if coppers,firemen and other city employees were pretty much able to pick up and flee en masse?
The rev'runs and their congregants would be beside themselves... "who said y'all could leave? who's gonna pay for our programs and handouts? whose neighborhoods are we gonna target to burglarize now? ain't gonna be nobody left in chicago but bust-out ass muthafuckahs like us... you ever try to steal from another muthafuckah that ain't got shit? man, yo that shit is bad for a muthafuckahs health joe!"
The 10 mile high tornado of shit, fire and the dead whirls unabated while we sit back and laugh... The smartest people to ever administer this city are no doubt full of ideas on how to fix it...
Denial is their first step. Affixing blame to the Police is their second step.
Deflection, double-talk and obsfuscation is their third...
Shit! Maybe we should run for office? Naahh... *very small batch bourbon gently pouring into a rock glass* None for you j-fart...
PHILADELPHIA WILL BE ANOTHER DETROIT VERY SOON.
What makes you think the majority of Philadelphia isn't already like Detroit?
Northeast Philadelphia is probably the safest place to live, with many living as close to Bucks County without being outside the City.
Some parts of South Philly are still ok; mostly around the stadiums, but there are other sections that are still decent.
Unless I have to, I don't go into Philly. I usually stay put here in Delaware County (until I move to Tennessee!).
Caucasian are now the minority in Philly, which has been been controlled by Democrats for decades.
Camden, NJ, one of the most dangerous cities in the US (ranks above Detroit, I believe) is right across the bridge from Philly.
Some officers say they'll stay put (according to their comments on a private forum). Others, I imagine, will move to the following surrounding counties: Bucks, Delaware, Chester and Montgomery.
Officers killed in the line of duty since 2006:
P/O Gary Skerski, EOW 05/08/06
P/O Walter Barclay EOW 08/19/07
P/O Charles Cassidy EOW 11/01/07
Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski EOW 05/03/08
P/O Isabel Nazario EOW 09/05/08
Sgt. Patrick McDonald EOW 09/23/08
Sgt. Timothy Simpson 11/17/08
P/O John Pawlowski 02/13/09
May they all R.I.P.
Last one out....turn out the lights.....
NEVER gonaa happen.
The shift to the burbs would be slower than is generally thought. Those in copland would have a difficult time getting someone to take the properties off their hands due to the current market. Only those who do not yet own, could, would, and should leave immediately. If those in “God’s Country” think the values are coming back, with or without residency, well... dream on.
CHICAGO WILL DIE IF RESIDENCY IS LIFTED. PHILADELPHIA WILL BE ANOTHER DETROIT VERY SOON.
And if you really believe that, I think you have fallen for the citys b.s scare tactic line of shit. If we have 10,000 police and 3,000, how many do you think would pack up and leave at a moments notice? 6,000 maybe? The 6,000 would also have to be replaced be someone who is also a tax paying resident.Are you trying to say the city of Chicago is right and every other big city in this country is wrong? Dont agree with you at all.
here is a find from an astute reader of breaking news:
http://tinyurl.com/yax53dz
the poor guy got shot, i'm sure his lifestyle didn't lead to it... oh.
Ever call Lodge 7 FOP Nobody is ever there working. No VM either so just what the Fuk are they doing all day? The secretary will take your name and number though LoL must be nice! Thats were my dues go to Bullshit
JUST TRY NO MORE DALEY THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH!!
Anonymous said...
I wonder if i could sue the city/state personally? Is this not some violation of a basic civil right to be able to live wherever i want? I know people will say it's part of what you signed up for, but that doesn't make it right!
12/20/2009 01:57:00 AM
I hope you are not the police with such an idiotic question. It cannot be a violation of your civil rights because you are not forced to keep this job. But, why would anyone expect you to keep up with current supreme court rulings?
Fudge living in this bogus. As hell. City.
This won't be another DETROIT because the Mayor isn't causing white flight to the suburbs and there's too much money to be thrown around.
I grew up in DETROIT and it was a shithole long before the police residency was lifted(late 90's). DETROIT was already a slum in the early 80's when Mayor Coleman A. Young chased businesses and whitey to the 'burbs'.
The city of DETROIT has no extra money to pilfer like Shitcago does. Just look at the politicians in DETROIT finally getting 'fed' time. I can only hope the economy stays flat and the 'feds' will start cleaning house here.
While we can't reasonable expect the city to dissolve the residency requirement in our near furture; we can ask (bargain/negotiate) for sanctions and or subsidies that compensate the city worker for HAVING to live in the city. for example:
1.Property tax relief or reimsbursements.
2.city vehicle (wheel) tax credits
3.low or no cost loans for improving or purchasing property in targeted zones.
4. promote the ownership and management of income property in targeted zones, i.e. low income districts
5.low cost mortgages to purchase second homes or vacation property.
(just to name a few)
I would gladly give up a couple years of raises to get the heck out of this crap city
i'd love to move out of the city. property taxes in the suburbs are easily 4-5 times of a comparable northside home. it would be really funny to see the southsiders that are now bitching about their 1k/year taxes up to 15 or 16k.
THIS IS A WAKE UP CALL FOR THE FOP. TAKE THIS TO COURT. THIS IS BULLSHIT AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! THIS CITY AND COUNTY SUCK.......
12/20/2009 02:23:00 AM
The FLOP f*cks have been asleep at the wheel for years, courtesy of inbred leadership and an apathetic membership. Nothing said on SCC will ever change that.
Happy Kwanzaa.
Just imagine the pool of applicants that will become available if the residency is lifted. Not just someone who can pass the drug test as it is currently.
In a city of millions a few thousand of city workers leaving the city would not turn Chicago into Detroit. As long as Chicago is a top worldwide tourist destination and hub for many top companies worldwide headquarters Chicago will never fall. Detroit had one industry and no other draws to go there. Besides most city workers would not leave anyway. The goofs that live south will never leave Western avenue and the shithole bars there. And the northsiders with their $700,000 2 bedroom raised ranch will die in their houses because they will never be able to sell them. The city does not revolve around the small percentage of city workers that live here.
Can I get an event number please?
We (Philadelphia cops) lost way too much to have the residency lifted. While it is nice to have a choice as to where to live, I probably won't go anywhere.
We lost our health care (Blue Cross Personal Choice),to a "self insurance health care plan", whatever the hell that is. But I'm sure it won't be good. The City also has the "unrestricted right" to furlough officers up to 30 days in a fiscal year. Our Mayor is already crying that the raises we were awarded (7% over the next 3 years, not exactly bank breaking) will cost the city too much. He's just laying groundwork for the furloughs.
I hope the FOP fought hard for our health care and against the furloughs, but I have a sickening feeling someone sold their soul for the residency.
Anonymous said...
Dont even think about it! It AINT gonna happen! Hope and dream in one hand, shit in the other, see which fills up first!
12/20/2009 12:14:00 AM
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I feel your fear. Anytime a residency discussion comes up guys like you start the "it ain't gonna happen nonsense." Next you will say the ol' "you knew you had to live here when you took the job and now you want to change the rules midstream...blah blah blah."
Be afraid it will happen eventually. Residency Requirements are fading away like the archaic rules they are...city after city are getting rid of them. Eventually, this city will too. Never is a long time.
When the membership as a whole really wants to take on this issue, the F.O.P. will do so. When they do, residency will be overturned until then, I wouldn't count on it.
I can't wait to flee the City of Shitcago!!! Its only a matter of time before they remove the residency requirement.
Off topic: a big healthy fuck you to the three year hairgel with the "RUN THAT" license plates. Hairgel was at the mall on one of the busiest shopping days of the year and proceeded to park his vehicle, laden with FOP crap, in a handicapped spot because he was too lazy to look for a spot. He and his cohort then got shitty with the Norridge copper who wrote him a ticket after they received a complaint. It's this type of shit that gives us all a bad name. Anyone know this goof?
I would take a big hit if the city lifted the requirement. No thanks.
Yeah baby!!! I love you SCC. Sorry but I have to put my kids in the schools in this city. Bring it on! Freedom of choice.
officers please pray for the PO that passed away out of 009. For those of us that knew him, he was a real class act. I have not seen any mention in the CO book concerning his passing. The wake/funeral was on the 19th. Shame on the department if they did not do anything to provide service information.
Godspeed CM
Former 009 1st watch
The City will never agree to lifting residency on its own. What do you think keeps the archdioces alive? City employees sending their kids to Catholic schools.
Shortshanks will only do this if he can SELL it to us....like the parking meters....or how he plans to sell the WATER DEPARTMENT.
We mean NOTHING to him....since we will not vote for him. If he can move us out, he can move more Dummycrats in.
About 8000+ city workers will be next, following you out the door. I don't care if I lose my equity. I'll find a nice safe place 10 miutes from Metra, well away from Daley,Toddler and the rest of their crooked ilk. Goodbye nwest and swest sides. From lakeview to the burbs will be no-mans land.
12/20/2009 12:14:00 AM
"Dont even think about it! It AINT gonna happen! Hope and dream in one hand, shit in the other, see which fills up first"
Is that the official FOP motto concerning all contracts?
Lift it. If you want to stay in the city go ahead. Some of us would like to leave. And take that "you knew what you signed on for" and stick it up your rear. When I came on, the insurance was better, heck, the whole job was better. They change the rules and so should we. And on the horizon will be the elimination of tests. So I am sorry you overpaidfor your shack, but oh well, deal with it.
I live in Mt Greenwood the area is already going to shit. I've been trying to sell for the past year to get out of Mt Greenwood. If the residency is lifted there will be no one to buy my house everyone will sell here. I can't wait to see this area in 5-10 years as long as I'm out. Remember Marquette Park.
You lucky bastards!
The previous generation, like you now, had to live in the city of Chicago. And, like you, they worked 6 days in a row every work week, lived with rotating days off, and worked most weekends.
However, unlike most of you, they suffered through years, until April 1994, of backward watch rotation every 28 days, but that was then and this is now.
Even so, the new generation is very fortunate to have the straight watches and the upcoming new 4 & 2 schedule, but if you men and women of the CPD are blessed with residency being lifted, I write it again, you lucky, lucky bastards!
Would be fantastic if they lifted residency. Why do people always throw out the Detroit scare card everytime it is mentioned? Do you think I give a rats ass about coppers that sunk their life savings into a home trying to scam newer city workers with high prices, only to find out that their home isn't worth half of what they thought it would be. I can afford the burbs and the extra 20 minute ride is well worth it, this city is already in ruins a few hundred cops leaving will change nothing. Nobody is forcing you to move so what's the harm? You can stay in your over priced homes in Edison park, mt greenwood, clearing along with all the section 8 garbage that's living next to you. 016, 008, and 022 are all done for and you stroke coppers that try and deny it need to open your eyes cause pookies and the back door with one foot inside.
Some people already live out of the city. A certain sgt on the 5th fl at HSq.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
"...Please, think of us newer people. Sometimes you might have to sacrafice for the greater good. I beg you to do this."
12/20/2009 01:55:00 AM
Oh yeah, are you one of the newer people who are constantly telling us old timers to get the fuck out so you can get a better furlough? Wake up from our naps and retire for the good of the department? now we ought to stay, for what, for the greater good?
This is how it works: Kiss My Ass!
The greater good begins inside my front door. No one but no one makes sacrifices so my life is easier so do not expect a goddamn thing from me. If I get a chance to bolt out of here, brother I am gone! If you get the chance I urge you to take it too.
New York City, Boston. Talk to the coppers there. They say that once the residency rules were lifted their departments suffered. Lost cohesiveness and identity as a department. This is simple to me. We agreed to be CHICAGO Police Officers when we were lucky enough to be hired. Yes our union is weak. Yes, our mayor is a thief and a Bridgeport con man. But it's our city, we are it's police. We have to live in the city or become Oak Park police. The answer is not to run away. I'll likely move on once I retire, until then I am a Chicago resident.
You first time homebuyers who don't have a house to sell...check out Hegewisch the south section of the East Side. Homes are reasonalble and you get to shop in Indiana. Hegewisch is not perfect by a long shot. We have our pockets of problem areas, but basically it's a decent place to live.
Look at every suburb that has dropped residency for police: Dolton, Calumet City, South Holland, and others. If you think that Chicago is the fucking Wild West now, wait. If you don't live there, you have no vested interest in keeping the peace there. It's 'let the fuckers kill each other'. Sorry: that's just the way that it is.
BREAKING NEWS:
Anonymous said...
BC's husband EOD in a little hot water? Video footage going around with EOD talking crazy
12/15/2009 10:35:00 PM
Ed O was caught MF'ing J Weisel and how he has torn the department to shreds. He just spoke the truth. No rampage just truth. The guy is a hero in my eyes. Somebody with balls in exempt rank. The first time I've seen a Christmas miracle. You go boss, I'd follow you to the gates of hell. He's a boss that's loyal to his troops. He's one of the few exempt cops left. If not the last.
12/17/2009 05:33:00 PM
Well ladies and gentlemen, the story has grown legs!
Apparently, it was true your "hero" EOD was caught badmouthing (in front of numerous witnesses at the Christmas Party and allegedly now on youtube) the very person (JFED) who is responsible for not only promoting him and his wife and enlargimg their undeserving overinflated pensions.
Rumor is the EOD is done before end of the year. He will be given a choice to retire (which he has the years and age) or force to be demoted. So you might just get your chance to follow him you little redhead.
The moral of the story is "don't bite the hand that feed's you" (at least not publicly at a Christmas Party).
12:20 7:28Am , Irving PK. Road west of York. Go to the next light and the Mobile station is the cheapest around.
Ours was lifted in 2005 after a long drawn out fight with the town. Cicero was a terrible place to live with HORRIBLE schools when we had to live there and it isnt much different now. For my family, the quality of schools was the single most important factor when it came to leaving as I'm sure it is for those of you guys/ladies with kids. The ride in and home is sometimes a pain and the taxes can be high, but for the most part the move to Dupage worked out well for my family. That being said, I also wasnt facing any loss in property value when we moved. But it was/is absolutely great, that the town no longer has that control of us.
Dont even think about it! It AINT gonna happen! Hope and dream in one hand, shit in the other, see which fills up first
12/20/2009 12:14:00 AM
Is that the official FOP motto concerning all contracts?
12/20/2009 05:22:00 PM
Close. The real motto is more of a Haiku and goes like so:
Play with City's Dick...
Ask Dick for arbitration.
Declare we have "won!"
No fooling. These words are engraved on the wall above Marky Mark's private urinal at the F.O.P. hall. Don't ask how I know.
Mark's got nice plumbing.
It would be one way to boost morale just a little bit!
Sorry but if you live in the North west end of 016 and don't take advantage of the excellent public elementary schools, it's your own damn fault.
True, High school poses a problem even if you have a straight A kid, but with excellent schools like Oriole Park, Edison Park, Ebinger, Norwood park, Onahan, Edgebrook and Wildwood, right in the neighborhood, it amazes me that there are so many coppers paying outrageous tuition for a Catholic school. The curriculum at the above schools is on par with, and in some cases far exceeds the Catholic schools. I love hearing the guy who lives across the street from Oriole Park crying about the high Catholic tuition: Oriole Park school outranks almost every other elementary school in the State! But, some of the students have brown skin tones....oh my God!!! Get over yourselves already!
As far as residency, I love my neighborhood and my tiny house. My taxes are under $4500, which I find fair, compared to Park Ridge where I'd be paying $12,000 minimum.
officers please pray for the PO that passed away out of 009. For those of us that knew him, he was a real class act. I have not seen any mention in the CO book concerning his passing. The wake/funeral was on the 19th. Shame on the department if they did not do anything to provide service information.
Godspeed CM
Former 009 1st watch
yes I heard of this but didn;t get the story. I heard he was only 34
your all out of your mind. never gonna happen
"Give me a heads up if this is going to happen. I need to sell my house before the flood of homes hits the market.
12/20/2009 10:36:00 AM"
day late and a dollar short?
Kind of off topic:
Where's does Dupage County start south of O'Hare?
Where is the closest Dupage county gas station to the NW side? How much cheaper is it?
12/20/2009 07:28:00 AM
On the west fence (Elmhurst Road) of O'Hare, at Devon Avenue.Lots of gas stations nearby.
i've been doing some research of the western suburbs lisle downers grove woodridge naperville etc and the taxes are normally around 4000 as low as 2900, and up to 6000 in some big 2000 square ft houses. normal 1200-1500 sq ft houses go from 250-300000 and since i have family out there i know it only takes about a half hour to 45 min to get into the city (disregarding downtown traffic). now if your talking townhouses or ranches woodridge and downers have some for 170-180 with taxes at 30000. send your kids to very good public schools no shitheads to worry about.
I want out. Let's work on geting rid of residency this year. Why wait. It would not hold up in court. Now is the time call the FOP and voice your concern. We will win this battle. I'm ready to move....
You may have to pay more taxes on your house in the burbs, but at least you can use their schools.
If you don't live there, you have no vested interest in keeping the peace there. It's 'let the fuckers kill each other'. Sorry: that's just the way that it is.
You're right, I don't have a vested interest in thugs killing each other, and I don't give a shit what some careerist gold star, or asshole mayor, clergy, or city council thinks about my attitude.
Pick any "wet dream" suburb/town you want, and some dastardly shit once happened there and will again.
There is no Utopia.
We, of all people should know this first hand. Melissa Ackerman anyone? Can't get much further away from the City than Somonauk!
Bottom line, watch your babies and look after your neighbors. Thank God "Dey" mostly be killing each other. OK!?
Residency? No problem. Mark Donodumb can just go on down to Springpatch and change the law. Just like WHEN he and his high paid FLOP lobbyists got us "pension portability" without realizing it was so overpriced NOONE WOULD EVER TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. EVER. HOW MUCH DID THAT "VICTORY" COST US? IDIOT.
The FOP has legislation ready to be signed and passed, call your state reps. They have sponsers from the House and Senate already. Read below or go to FOP web site and click LEGISLATIVE REPORT:
2249
Brady
1618
Millner
Arbitration – residency -- Amends section 14 of the Illinois Public Labor Relations
Act (5 ILCS 315/14) to expand the scope of an arbitration decision to include residency requirements in municipalities of one million or more.
The powers to be may let us move but only to Philadelphia.
"You first time homebuyers who don't have a house to sell...check out Hegewisch the south section of the East Side. Homes are reasonalble and you get to shop in Indiana. Hegewisch is not perfect by a long shot. We have our pockets of problem areas, but basically it's a decent place to live."
--Sounds like a plan!
Signed, former Low End Low Life soon to be crawling through your window!
I would be gone yesterday!
I am so glad that I rent you guys that own a home will take a big loss. I will lose nothing I do though feel sorrow for you all taking the big hit.
I live in Mt Greenwood the area is already going to shit. I've been trying to sell for the past year to get out of Mt Greenwood. If the residency is lifted there will be no one to buy my house everyone will sell here. I can't wait to see this area in 5-10 years as long as I'm out. Remember Marquette Park.
Living in Mt Greenwood is your first mistake. Buying a home there your second. Not being able to sell...No surprise.....
keep the residency....realign the school system. let mt greenwood kids go to the ag school. thats what everybody complains about.
New York City, Boston. Talk to the coppers there. They say that once the residency rules were lifted their departments suffered. Lost cohesiveness and identity as a department. This is simple to me. We agreed to be CHICAGO Police Officers when we were lucky enough to be hired. Yes our union is weak. Yes, our mayor is a thief and a Bridgeport con man. But it's our city, we are it's police. We have to live in the city or become Oak Park police. The answer is not to run away. I'll likely move on once I retire, until then I am a Chicago resident.
oh STFU!!!
The only good thing about the southside is the bus going north.
"...Please, think of us newer people. Sometimes you might have to sacrafice for the greater good. I beg you to do this."
12/20/2009 01:55:00 AM
And a big "FUCK YOU, Boo-Hoo, Waaaa" to you! Your the same little shit that wants it all his way, bitches about seniority, cant understand why he cant have a 8a with 2 years on, cant do “Police Work” without a computer whiny little punk. You talk of the “greater good”, well, here’s your chance: Shut the fuck up, kid, cause we’re sick of hearing you cry!
I couldn’t agree more with you. Residency requirements for city employees are outdated and it’s not like some small town where members of a Volunteer Fire Department might have to respond to a call from home in a moments notice.
Besides, I believe that way back in the day when these kinds of rules were first enacted, they were done because of the importance of having people that could respond to their jobs quickly in emergencies. Today, most people can get to their place of work just as fast, or faster in some instances from the suburbs than they can from the opposite side of the city.
When I was paying tuitions to the Catholic Schools for my four kids, I prayed they would allow us to move to the suburbs where I could send them to a safe Public School to get a quality education. I had to work 2 full time jobs just to keep the bills paid, and with the cost of education going up almost 6 times faster than the standard rate of inflation, I really pity anyone that has to pay tuition these days. I wonder why education cost that much more, it’s not like they’re paying the teachers 6 times more than the average person.
Someone said Catholic grammar schools are around $4,000 per year and high schools are about $8,700 per year now. That means if you have 4 kids attending catholic schools at the same time, it is costing you between $16,000 and $35,000 per year? That’s between $1,200 and $2,900 per month. Ouch! You can make a lot of tax payments for that kind of money. How the Hell can anyone expect a single income family of a city worker to afford this?
It pisses me off the Daley demands residency for city employees, but gives out huge contracts to non Chicago private contractors that have employees that can, and do live anyplace they want, like Barrington for example. If all things were fair, any Contractor doing any business with the city should have to live in the city too,………but that would be fair and would put an end to the payoffs!
My kids are all grown and moved out now, so for me, living in the city is my best option. The taxes are lower and I’ve always liked the tight knit neighborhood atmosphere that can only be found in the city.
It should definitely be used as a bargaining chip by our labor representatives, but I don’t ever see residency getting lifted because the tax base in Chicago would collapse over night, and we’d end up just like Detroit.
I'm glad to see most coppers realize that the residency lift would not be in our favor. It's nice to think about but a horrible reality.
The challenge of this law is simple. We all agreed to residency when we took the job. We did not agree to the city raising taxes on anything and everything while at the same time forcing us to work out of contract year after year and failing to give us comparable raises to the taxes they levy against us year after year knowing we are not free to choose where we live and what taxes we pay while employed by the city. Just show a side by side comparison of raises for city workers compared to the raises for city political officials over the past 20 years and the ratio of these compared to the tax raises over the last 20 years.
I heard that Daley is going to have a wall put up around the city to keep any more tax payers from fleeing and we're going to have to man the checkpoints.
12/17/2009 05:33:00 PM
Well ladies and gentlemen, the story has grown legs!
Apparently, it was true your "hero" EOD was caught badmouthing (in front of numerous witnesses at the Christmas Party and allegedly now on youtube) the very person (JFED) who is responsible for not only promoting him and his wife and enlargimg their undeserving overinflated pensions.
Rumor is the EOD is done before end of the year. He will be given a choice to retire (which he has the years and age) or force to be demoted. So you might just get your chance to follow him you little redhead.
The moral of the story is "don't bite the hand that feed's you" (at least not publicly at a Christmas Party).
12/20/2009 08:48:00 PM
At my Christmas party everyone was badmouthing j-fed: captain, lt, sgt's, and of course all PO's. Where I work we all take a personal if we have to go sit on the can and take a jody. And of course we then wipe the jody off our asses.
Now exempts are finally doing it? About fucking time. You would think that at least a couple of the bosses who had their careers torpedoes last year would chime in.
The man is a joke.
-- P.O. Idew Little
Did you see what Philly gave up to get residency lifted?!!!!
If the City gave it up, fine. Don't give a damn thing to get it F.O.P.. The Philly guys must have been crazy, or weren't paying attention. Go to your Union meetings and get involved.
Look at the state of the Union because of voter apathy.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
STOP! Lodge 7 will not do shit about our contract or residency = Decertify
12/20/2009 01:58:00 AM
What a goof.
Does anyone even know how/why we are stuck with residency rules in Chicago?
Illinois labor law, the City had it changed to prohibit residency from being negotiated as part of a labor contract in any city of over 1 million in population.
In Illinois, Chicago is the only one.
So, bring this subject up to the City and they point to Illinois law and shrug their corrupt shoulders.
Here is a news flash: FOP has been trying for some years now to get this provision lifted without success. That's a shocker, huh? 42 short won't let it be brought up or voted on or passed. Period.
Contracts or arbitration or the courts have nothing to do with it. The City of Chicago long ago played the trump card on this, it is in Illinois labor law. Nothing can change until the law is changed.
So decertify, moan, whine and complain your ass off, unless Illinois law is changed, fugetaboutit.
12/20/2009 10:02:00 AM
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This post is not TOTALLY CORRECT. You can negotiate residency in your contract if you want. The Illinois law that you are referring to does not allow us to ARBITRATE residency.
It is brought up in negotiations and Daley says no and it is over because we can't go to an Arbitrator with it like was done in Philly.
Just about every major city in the United States has done away with residency for their city employees with no adverse effects. I moved out five years after retirement and enjoy a nice community,more room to spread out and little or no crime. But, taxes and other expenses are higher. The schools seem to be ok, but I cannot say for sure as I have no school aged children. The end of residency would allow the department to recruit from the burbs and I think it would make it a better department for it might help to end political clout. However, the department would have to learn how to get rid of non-performers, which is something it has never done and there are way too many non-performers. The cohesiveness has been gone for a long time. Too many suckholes who would sell their own family for a promotion or a choice assignment. But, overall, you have a good job with good benefits in a very tough economy. Be grateful for that. Be especially grateful if you are a northside copper and do not have to work in the shitholes on the west and south sides. By the way, I lived in Mt. Greenwood. It is turning into a dump with a lousy business district thanks to your alderwomen. Keep voting for her.
Residency
Illinois State Law.
(5 ILCS 315/14) Sec.14
(i) In the case of peace officers, the arbitration decision shall be limited to wages, hours, and conditions of employment (which may include residency requirements in municipalities with a population under 1,000,000, but those residency requirements shall not allow residency outside of Illinois) and shall not include the following: i) residency requirements in municipalities with a population of at least 1,000,000;
MY STAND
I believe that by making this class difference in the law that separates Chicago police officers from every other police officer in this State, the State violates the equal protection clause for all that is guaranteed by both the State Constitution and Federal Constitution. What do you think? Should we spend the time and money to fight this? I believe we should. If elected I will fight for our rights to arbitrate residency.
United States Constitution
Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Constitution of the State of Illinois
ARTICLE I
BILL OF RIGHTS
SECTION 2. DUE PROCESS AND EQUAL PROTECTION
No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law nor be denied the equal protection of the laws.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)
Posted by JANS, Kevin C.
at 2:28 AM
Anonymous said...
i've been doing some research of the western suburbs lisle downers grove woodridge naperville etc and the taxes are normally around 4000 as low as 2900, and up to 6000 in some big 2000 square ft houses. normal 1200-1500 sq ft houses go from 250-300000 and since i have family out there i know it only takes about a half hour to 45 min to get into the city (disregarding downtown traffic). now if your talking townhouses or ranches woodridge and downers have some for 170-180 with taxes at 30000. send your kids to very good public schools no shitheads to worry about.
12/20/2009 10:39:00 PM
Great so your moving to join naperville pd,another opening for a Chicago resident good luck kid!
Be careful you might get what you ask for. My Ex moved to the burbs. Beautiful new home. Only one problem. Huge property taxes. close to three times what I was paying here for my place. Ended up she had to sell and now wants to move back into the City. Nice new communities have to have someone pay for the new schools and sewers and parks. Since there is no industry or commercial area in many new areas guess who gets the bill.
"As a cop and a realtor, I can tell you that most of the homes we own will be sold to guess who? another blue-collar city or other respectable wage earner. can a ghetto rat afford your house? Didnt think so"
Really, section 8 wouldn't come into play here? You are an idiot realtor and a goof copper if you believe that over a period of time that sections of this city would not get worse. Jesus most of you need a brain!
I know why all the new po's want this new thing... cause they can move back with their parents in park ridge and inherit that nice house in the burbs. "hey mom and dad, I'll rent the basement till you croak"
We will get Concealed carry before residency is lifted for chi-town.
Anonymous said...
i've been doing some research of the western suburbs lisle downers grove woodridge naperville etc and the taxes are normally around 4000 as low as 2900, and up to 6000 in some big 2000 square ft houses. normal 1200-1500 sq ft houses go from 250-300000 and since i have family out there i know it only takes about a half hour to 45 min to get into the city (disregarding downtown traffic). now if your talking townhouses or ranches woodridge and downers have some for 170-180 with taxes at 30000. send your kids to very good public schools no shitheads to worry about.
12/20/2009 10:39:00 PM
Great so your moving to join naperville pd,another opening for a Chicago resident good luck kid!
12/21/2009 09:39:00 AM
I'm glad you brought this up asshat. It seems like every city resident who takes a civil service exam feels entitled to the job over someone who is moving to the city to get it. I'm sorry but I'd rather have a competent intelligent personrespond to my 10-1 than some schmuck wanna be guido who grew up in mt. greenwood or Bridgeport who's only qualifications are "my uncle Tony has 18 yes on" so I should get a 8a.
Here is the history on residency for everyone to consider:
18 Feb 1971 - PO James Ahern backed by the Confederation of Police(predecessor to FOP before recognized bargaining) had sued in Federal Court to overturn city ordinance on residency on US Constitutional grounds and lost. Case was appealed to the Federal Appellate Court.
25 May 1971 - Il House of Rep soundly defeat a proposal by police organizations to permit police to reside outside their municipalities. Politcal door shut!
18 Nov 1972 - Police residency rule upheld by Federal Appellate Court. Case joined with several U.S. police and fire orginizations and taken to US Supreme Court.
23 Mar 1976 - US Supreme Court in ruling that a city may require its employees to live within city limits, the Court was concerned only with the rights of the employees. The Court held that a Philadelphia fireman had NO federally protected right to live outside of the city, and therefore a Philadelphia ordinance requiring municipal employees residency was upheld. Judicial door shut!
08 May 1976 - Lord Mayor Daley the First gave all employees until 01 Aug 1976 to reside in the city or be fired.
So all you guys screaming about residency is unconstitutional, the FOP, should sue, etc, etc, are all wet. We that went before you fought that fight all the way and lost big time and money. The US Supreme Court has already ruled. So you can either a) live in the city and go for better working conditions, b) lobby the US Congress for a Constitutional Ammendment(Good Luck with that strategy), or c) find other employment.
Also if residency is lifted thru arbitration how faraway should you be allowed to live. The state line, Las Vegas, Canada??? Should the Mayor be allowed to live elsewhere too?? Maybe our US Senators could come from Wisconsin?? Most suburban depts have residency requirements too.
Be careful and safe. Merry Xmas and Happy New Year.
A lucky PO who made it to retirement.
F.O.P. DO HERE ALL OF THIS??? Of course not! Are you in Uncle Richies pocket too??? Fight for your UNION employees, a better wage, benefits, and living enviorment. LIFT THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT.
Anonymous said...
The only good thing about the southside is the bus going north.
12/21/2009 01:20:00 AM
Thanks. You gave me and the missus a hearty chuckle! And we live on the southside, but we are looking to catch that bus!
WE HAVE A "WEAK" UNION (Flop) FOP would never put this in arbritration. WEAK! WEAK! WEAK! NO BALLS FOP!!!
Who cares if city turns into Detroit? I won't be living here!
scc please keep this at the top of the page ,this is the first time i've seen you post on this topic and i think it's great. you know you have a huge voice heard all over the city and you could change alot of coppers and cfd lives for the better. thanks for all the hard work
Anonymous said...
12:20 7:28Am , Irving PK. Road west of York. Go to the next light and the Mobile station is the cheapest around.
12/20/2009 08:56:00 PM
The THORNTONS on Touhy West of N.W. Hwy is usually just as or cheaper than most places in DuPage
Oh, by the way, if you didn't already know it, if you have enough money to have two homes you can , for all purposes live outside the city. Many city employees do this already, even ranking police and fire. One house for you and one house for your wife and kids. You just have to sleep in the city on days you are working. For a firefighter, that is only two nights a week. The city cannot force your wife and kids to reside in the city. Just saying!!
Forget about the retro check and pay raise. I will even write you book of parkers and 10 movers a WEEK!
A WEEK! I guess you don't want to leave that bad you lazy fuck.
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Now THAT was funny. . . but not as funny as someone wanting to move to Woodridge. LMAO
I am in favor of lifting the residency requirement because it is not right, nor is it fair.
I would not be moving out of my "cop" neighborhood or putting up my house for sale.
I suspect that many other cops/firemen would stay, too. My youngest is still in grade school and would not want to leave friends. As a family we are involved in many local activities. The commute for me is short and would be almost an hour from the station to where I would want to live, just northwest of O'Hare, or nearly 90 minutes if I lived where my wife wants to live on the far southwest side.
However, the City should not dictate where someone should live.
So, based solely on that principle I say fuck the little midget and his dictatorship. The end of residency for city workers will not doom the city, nor my nice little cop neighborhood. I can't imagine cops/firemen selling their houses at big losses, just to move out of the reach of Da Mayor. Sure some already have their homes paid off, but the vast majority I would say still owe.
Just simply get rid of that asinine requirement.
So all you guys screaming about residency is unconstitutional, the FOP, should sue, etc, etc, are all wet. We that went before you fought that fight all the way and lost big time and money. The US Supreme Court has already ruled.
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So you're quoting the Warren Court? Possibly the most liberal court ever in the era of Big City Bosses?
Then you quote a Philadelphia Firefighter case? Did you notice that it was a Philadelphia police contract that was just settled?
Times change. Decisions once thought to be untouchable are overturned constantly - get with the times.
Anonymous said...
WE HAVE A "WEAK" UNION (Flop) FOP would never put this in arbritration. WEAK! WEAK! WEAK! NO BALLS FOP!!!
12/21/2009 12:09:00 PM
DUMB, DUMB, DUMB POSTER, NO BRAINS, NO INTELLIGENCE.
Never will be in front of an arbitrator, it is IL State law dufus!
Anonymous wrote:
"As far as residency, I love my neighborhood and my tiny house. My taxes are under $4500, which I find fair, compared to Park Ridge where I'd be paying $12,000 minimum."
Get ready that's what you'll be paying for high school tuition alone and that's for each of your kids. When you do the math the taxes upwards of $10,000/yr are a good trade off. I'm paying over $1500/month(18,000/yr on a 12 month contract) for private school tuition this year, which will increase dramatically when my second child enters high school in two years.
You should rethink exactly what it is you get for that $4500 in taxes you pay. At that rate your lot must be 25x100(at best on the norhtside) and your square footage must be well under 2000 ft. If you lived in a quality town like Arlington Heights, Mount Prospect, Glenveiw or similar towns you could pay under $10K in taxes and still be able to use the schools, parks, libraries and walk around without concern for you and your families safety. Let alone what you would save in auto and home owners insurance.
What are you getting for your money in Chicago? A underachieving public school system that has no realistic option for high school if your white and not a gifted student. Decaying parks, libraries full of low life degenerates and gang bangers trying to date your daughter.
That may be O.K. with you but I'll take the suburbs where I have many more options. If I want to commute an hour each way, that's my problem.
And for the last time, even if half of the department went that would only be about 5000 members of which about 2/3 would be home owners. The impact on the market would be negligable. Even if the entire city employee base, which was recently reported under 30K (lowest in 20 years) half of that number wouldn't have and impact. There are far more homes for sale everyday in Chicago.
Remember we're not talking about the politically connected or the city employees who choose to live in certain neigborhoods here we're talking about the regular guys with kids.
Think about it before you go on your rant about crashing home values or about how happy you are paying $4500 to the most corrupt taxing authority in the country.
Jans, Kevin C. said...
Residency
Illinois State Law.
(5 ILCS 315/14) Sec.14
(i) In the case of peace officers, the arbitration decision shall be limited to wages, hours, and conditions of employment (which may include residency requirements in municipalities with a population under 1,000,000, but those residency requirements shall not allow residency outside of Illinois) and shall not include the following: i) residency requirements in municipalities with a population of at least 1,000,000;
MY STAND
I believe that by making this class difference in the law that separates Chicago police officers from every other police officer in this State, the State violates the equal protection clause for all that is guaranteed by both the State Constitution and Federal Constitution. What do you think? Should we spend the time and money to fight this? I believe we should. If elected I will fight for our rights to arbitrate residency.
United States Constitution
Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Constitution of the State of Illinois
ARTICLE I
BILL OF RIGHTS
SECTION 2. DUE PROCESS AND EQUAL PROTECTION
No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law nor be denied the equal protection of the laws.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)
Posted by JANS, Kevin C.
at 2:28 AM
12/21/2009 09:39:00 AM
Chicago Police have already had the due process portion guaranteed by the US Constitution. And we lost.
What is your next campaign promise Kevin? There is no court higher than the US Supreme Court. Unless you can convince the Supremes on some constitutional grounds that have yet to be articulated due process has seemingly run it's course. But if you can get elected union president on this promise by people who don't know that you cannot deliver, well, go ahead.
Da FOP should do what I sezs see.
mumble mumble why am I a midgit?
an shaddap
all uze guyz
get hobbies
youll live where i say,
da mare lil dick
Maybe I can purchase a decent house then instead of one built in the 1950's with cracked basement walls and rotted piping going for $300,000 - none of your houses in the "cop" neighborhoods are worth crap. Newsflash, putting a new addition on an old foundation still means you have a old crap house.
I would buy one of those roller skate cars and drive 2 hours a day.
Where do you move to, Cook County and the rest of Illinois is one big Democratic Corrupt SHITHOLE!!!
08 May 1976 - Lord Mayor Daley the First gave all employees until 01 Aug 1976 to reside in the city or be fired.
A lucky PO who made it to retirement.
12/21/2009 12:02:00 PM
Subsequently, in AUG 76, we had to twice sign and date the "blood oath", thereby making two originals and swearing we lived in the city. It had to be witnessed by a supervisor, but they did not have to sign as a witness.
Daley wants us all to stay. He needs us here paying while he stays in Michigan.
Please, think of us newer people. Sometimes you might have to sacrafice for the greater good. I beg you to do this.
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Ya know, if I were a Democrat, I would, but, I tend to lean to the right, like most coppers. Sorry.
What about the LAND LINE ISSUE at your residence too?
This is out dated and needs to be abolished! Why pay AT&T a minimum of $60 a month and almost half is taxes anyway?
What?????? $700,000 for a raised ranch? tell you what, I'm done in June. I've got a 3 bedroom 1.5 ba raised ranch with a party time finished basenment and a side drive 2 blocks from Ebinger Sch in Edison Pk you can have for 390..watch the listings
Maybe I can purchase a decent house then instead of one built in the 1950's with cracked basement walls and rotted piping going for $300,000 - none of your houses in the "cop" neighborhoods are worth crap. Newsflash, putting a new addition on an old foundation still means you have a old crap house.
12/21/2009 06:55:00 PM
I'll take that "old crap house" over the new shit homes they build today. My place is over one hundred years old and built like a brick shit house. It's going to be here for another hundred years when these yuppie town homes have fallen in on themselves.
Should have been a Trooper or Sheriff. I know Cook Co guys living in Will and Dupage. Go figure. Surbuban living is nice for kids but you can't beat this shitholes tax rates for now. Hold on boys, matter of time before our taxes match the suburbs. Only difference is our schools still suck.
5 years and counting
Just drove through Mt. Greenwood on some business. Lots of for sale signs there. The community is starting to look shabby, broken sidewalks, empty storefronts, run down homes. Glad I moved to the burbs when I retired. Nice safe community, no violance in the schools ( drugs however), Taxes higher, but peace of mind. Keep fighting for end of residency.
Just drove through Mt. Greenwood on some business. Lots of for sale signs there. The community is starting to look shabby, broken sidewalks, empty storefronts, run down homes. ..
and that's just by the 019 ward office!
Get to work, Ginger! Do something beside pass out meritorious police promotions and test exam questions and gold stars and bars and ...
oops, spoke too much. Hope the feds ain't paying attention...
Hey Daley, I can't in good conscience call you a mayor...
what cha gonna do when
Police win residency
the number of aldermen get cut
and your gun ban gets overturned, oh yeah, and you get out of office
All of which will happen by 2011
You think you hit the sauce NOW...
All this fighting, and back and forth "it can't be done" Oh the mayor will be mad and the City will be mad and Jfed will come after us. There are two lawyers that A. Have the balls to do it B. The legal skills set to get it done and C. Do have the working policemens back at all times.
Dan Herbert
Tom Needham
No more need be said.
Merry Christmas Brothers and Sisters. God Bless you all.
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