Shortage About to Get Acute
FOP says they've passed the magic number of 130 officers putting in retirement papers for the "55 and out" package:
- Phase 2 of the premium free healthcare benefit at retirement required that at least 130 members apply for retirement in order for any member to enjoy this benefit upon retirement between April 1 and December 31, 2010.
Today, the Lodge was notified that the 130 application threshold had been surpassed. Any member who submits a retirement PAR by December 31, 2009, with a retirement date of April 1 through December 31, 2010, will now be able to take advantage of this benefit. The member must have reached his 55th birthday by the requested date of retirement.
Since the first 130 have taken the first step, we expect a sizable number of the other 1,000 members eligible for retirement to take the plunge now. We could see one of the larger retirement years in recent memory in 2010.
We might also see one of the lowest hiring years ever. Whether this puts a strain on the pension or manpower shall be answered in short order.
We might also see one of the lowest hiring years ever. Whether this puts a strain on the pension or manpower shall be answered in short order.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
71 Comments:
So we are trading any raise and retro for this?Big mistake
It's down right scary how very few police officers there are now and even more so in the near future. Some news media types need to crunch some numbers and start asking questions about the shortage. The city should at least be putting few new classes of police through the academy to keep up with the mass retirements.
thank god this passed--- it is a great benefit for the guys 55-60 who want to go....
hmmm, 130 plus gone maybe 1000 more. 86 recruits going into training. not good.
Sorry to inform you of this but these guys will not be leaving in droves until 2 things happen, #1 first and foremost, the contract gets settled. #2 its a decent raise and I'm talking at least 16% over 5 years otherwise these "older guys" arent going anywhere. You might get the usual 100-120 retiring the following year but thats no big deal because thats just the normal number which would have retired anyway. These guys eat up a decent amount of special employment and make over 100-110k a year. They might not be ready to give that up and be put out to pasture especially with 4-2 starting next year. Some people might be unpleasantly surprised at how few of them leave. The economy is still in the tank and everyone is well aware of that so the "mass exodus" might not be taking place anytime soon much to shortshanks dismay. We have a few dinosaurs in our district and they've stated explicitly they're not going anytime soon and they are maxed out. When asked why they choose not to retire they stated "what am I going to do with myself?". I'm curious to see what happens.
The faster the CPD hits critical mass on its descent into oblivion the better. No joke, this job needs CHANGE!
If I could bail I would. Ask any copper if they would bail if they could.
But 86 are in the academy and I am hearing rumblings that the Department of Aviation will be eliminated and that about the entire class of 86 is slated to go to that high crime area of.... O'Hare Airport!
Why you might ask? Who gets to go there now? Those with clout and those with lots of time? No.
If the City can put brand new officers there it will be quite a while before they figure things out and become difficult to supervise. Unlike the average 30 year PO who has heard all the bullshit many times.
That would save all the clout heavy PO's from using their phone call to get to the airport and save the exempts from tap dancing around and using up their favors.
If true, it is just a back door way of negating the use of seniority in movement to a plum assignment traditionally with tons of overtime.
So Maurer complains about lack of manpower. Mayoral Kiss Ass Andolino gets Maurer dumped next day and now they want to put a whole class of PPO's into the airport. Nice compliant obedient"yes sir, no sir" PPO's.
That's because they sure don't need those PO's in 010 or 005 or God forbid, 003.
The City of Chicago, Bizzaro Comics comes to life.
But 86 are in the academy and I am hearing rumblings that the Department of Aviation will be eliminated and that about the entire class of 86 is slated to go to that high crime area of.... O'Hare Airport!
Why you might ask? Who gets to go there now? Those with clout and those with lots of time? No.
If the City can put brand new officers there it will be quite a while before they figure things out and become difficult to supervise. Unlike the average 30 year PO who has heard all the bullshit many times.
That would save all the clout heavy PO's from using their phone call to get to the airport and save the exempts from tap dancing around and using up their favors.
If true, it is just a back door way of negating the use of seniority in movement to a plum assignment traditionally with tons of overtime.
So Maurer complains about lack of manpower. Mayoral Kiss Ass Andolino gets Maurer dumped next day and now they want to put a whole class of PPO's into the airport. Nice compliant obedient"yes sir, no sir" PPO's.
That's because they sure don't need those PO's in 010 or 005 or God forbid, 003.
The City of Chicago, Bizzaro Comics comes to life.
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You are so misinformed and full of shit! Stop putting up bullshit and wasting you know can't be possibly true and won''t ever happen. Fuck I can't believe I wasted 30 secs of my life reading that stupid idiots comment. Whoever wrote this is definitely not the police.
Tanked ecomony or not, a lot of people in this Dept. will be on the move, and soon. Lots of jobs opening up across the country AND in Chicago for people with good education and supervisory experience. WEISel/Masters have wrecked this place good, and a lot of good people will bail, and soon.
Look for several of the high command to leave soon as well.
Lots of exempts are tired of being passengers on this rudderless ship, and the prospect of giving back a month's salary next year isn't very appealing to any.
I looked at the Alpha Star roster and there are about 30-35 P.O.'S that have to leave next year when they turn 63. Gotta throw them into the mix.
The best retirement speech I ever heard, and it was over 16 years ago yet was very prophetic and still holds true was from Jerry Eggers (RIP) “For those of you close to retirement, God Bless you, for those with time left, God help you.”
Anonymous said...
So we are trading any raise and retro for this?Big mistake
12/17/2009 01:12:00 AM
Just your raise and retro.
Ha ha, looks like the lazy gonna have to work and earn their pay now.
I need a job, so let these guys retire by the hundreds. Fresh faces bring fresh ideas and are up to date with technology and are adaptable to change.
So we are trading any raise and retro for this?Big mistake
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The above statement was never stated by anybody dealing with the contract.
This is the only time I could say I wish I was 55.
Not 55, but in kma club
I thought Obama-rama is sending over federal money for new cops. Or is that going into Daley's pocket, too? Perhaps he is diverting the funds to the public school board member's "slush funds" where no accountability exists.
When a person makes the decision to retire, that is an entirely personal and serious decision. No one should be critisized for staying on the department and working or pulling the pin. Each of you will face that decision some day, so maybe you should not call people " dinosaurs". I once asked a friend of mine who announced his retirement as I thought he still had a lot to contribute, and his reply was, " someday you will wake up and not want to do this anymore. The pay and benefits will not matter". I now know what he meant.
anybody watch chicago tonite on tues. nite weis said were not short manpower just going to utilize the officers we have...huh
But of course they need these people at the airport....... to protect all the high priced lawyers (paid by the taxpayers)who will be flying in (on the taxpayers' dollars) to properly defend the terrorists to be located at Thomson.
Durbin originally suggested Marion, where some terrorists are alrady being held under sentence. You think any of the Washington elite want to do their lawyering from there?
Just think, 13 months.
Anonymous said...
But 86 are in the academy and I am hearing rumblings that the Department of Aviation will be eliminated and that about the entire class of 86 is slated to go to that high crime area of.... O'Hare Airport!
Please get your facts stright before you discuss bullshit rumors. 35 of those recruits are hired from a CTA grant. They cannot be assigned to the airport. Patrol is so desperate they will never give up all of the new recruits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_risJzuR2E
I can imagine what CPD 12 Days of Xmas is like!
the dinosaurs may be gobbling up all the special money but they are not gobbling up all the court/late pinch o/t are they ???? a guy who is 55-60 and maxed out has to be crazy not to put in a par form--- your pay will probably be almost the same because you will no longer be paying into pension, deferred comp, or medical--- their is life beyond this job and city, go experience it......
Let’s see. If you are at 75% and you stay let’s stay another year past that you push the Cost Of Living Allowance (COLA) back a year which is 3% year after you a retired one calendar year. So unless you get a 4% raise or higher for the extra year you stay (75% of 4% =3%) you lose money on your pension every day you work past max.
P.O.’s are just like the rest of the population. Most people do not like change. Most coppers are not mentally prepared for retirement. But if you talk to 100 retirees that worked past max 99 of them will tell you they should have left earlier. The 1% who worked to the last day and never had a life to begin with. I look for Jan 2011 to be the biggest retirement month in history, because most are not able to click that mouse and make the decision. Kind of sad that indecision costs them every day they wait next year for the contract when staying hurts rather than helps.
When guys hit 60 or even in their late 50's, they basically are not in a hurry to retire for three reasons.
1 They dont want to and dont know what to do with their time
2 They cant afford to
3. They have kids either in college or getting ready to go to college
Sad but true
"...#2 its a decent raise and I'm talking at least 16% over 5 years....
12/17/2009 03:09:00 AM"
you did mean 16%+ over 4 years, didn't you?
Hey, SCC, there's nothing cute about a manpower shortage.
CHAOS is the goal of the powers that be! Smart coppers will take the deal and run because this is the last time that Shortshanks and Shitcago will give any money to coppers. Shortshanks will save millions of dollars that he and his boys will be able to steal. The police officers still out on the street will be left to fend for themselves. Fuck You to all those assholes that were saying "we are lucky to have a job, don't complain".
If true, it is just a back door way of negating the use of seniority in movement to a plum assignment traditionally with tons of overtime.
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The OT would be much cheaper if the people being paid the OT are newer. Might be a cost saving move.
Well even though we are short bodies and money, all new recruits are receiving new laptops when they enter the academy. Where did the money come from for these? And why do you even need one in that joke of an academy?
off topic: Did you see how HOFFMAN stood up to ALEX G. HOFFMAN got my voteeeeeeeeee
OFF TOPIC
I just got my FOP book so I'm as happy as a little girl
OK think about it, J-Sissy needs the CPD ranks to fall and decline and get to levels so low that he can blame it all on the manpower shortage when the crime in this city boils over into even more chaos than it is now. He will say it is not his leadership that sucks it is just staffing levels. "Police demanded a raise in this horrible economy and the city cannot hire anymore." It will all become the police's fault. Police need to march around city hall and scream their heads off to FREE COZZI and DUMP J-FOOL.
What are the other 1000 waiting for...DUH!!!
Yeah while the CPD screws us and puts our lives in danger by not providing us with adequate manpower keep working hard assholes. Keep making those bullshit arrests (dpw, obstructing traffic, weed, etc...).
There's no list left... They couldn't hire anymore if they wanted to... We could be in REAL trouble next summer!
I am looking forward to the city-wide retirement party.
Does that number include supervisors retiring?
It kills me that these fucking stupid aldermen are complaining that the police budget is being stress because there have not been as many anticipated retirements in 2009 as they thought.
There have been far more retirements than new hires in 2009 AND the police department is not operating even at the levels authorized in the 2009 budget.
Yet, these asinine aldermen still continue to spout their crap and further alienate the police department.
That do not have a fucking clue what outcome there will be if they fuck with the contract. They cannot read the signs of the times enough to know that they have a department on the verge of revolt and that though for the most part cops are hard to rally in a unified force, things are only a spark away from that happening, e.g. try no raises for the police and the continue lack of City Hall support.
"When asked why they choose not to retire they stated 'what am I going to do with myself?'"
Really?? This job is their entire life??
That's sad.
I love this job, but every day I'm here, I'm one day closer to being gone.
When asked why they choose not to retire they stated "what am I going to do with myself?". I'm curious to see what happens.
Make sure you have a plan B. This job is everything for some people. Get and and stay health and leave as soon as you can. Enjoy the pension and don't be force to leave and die within a year. The Navy has a saying "Lifers are like flies, they eat a lot of shit.
Sparta will have many swords yet few shields.
#1 Who will be left paying into the pension?
#2 Recruits at O'Hare? An assault on seniority, pure and simple...and by the way, fuck 003,005, and 010. Send them to neighborhoods with taxpayers. 016, 017, 019, and 020 are starting to look like 008.
Im sure that in the future the FOP will give senority rights up for a 2 or 3% raise.
The City would love to be able to re-assign or detail any officer to where ever they want.
016 and 008 would become ghost towns.
By the time it's done the only two that may be left are Sheriff Andy WEISEL and Deputy Barney MASTERS. Deputy Barney will have his one bullet in his pocket. Welcome to Mayberry.
Anonymous said...
Sorry to inform you of this but these guys will not be leaving in droves
I wouldn't put my money where my mouth is. This 130+ is only the 55-60 year olds who are taking advantage. This doesn't count those who are over 60 who will go plus the mandatory retirements. That is not included in the 55-60 count. We will star losing at least double the amount of people now that this has been okayed. You think we are short now. Squad the person has been shot, but it is only a minor wound and he is walking and talking. I sent him into the desk with the ambulance to do a report.
God forbid they hold a written test. Maybe i'm just wasting my time thinking i'll ever get another chance to get on.
RY
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Someone with juice from within the department told me they're just about done with processing people from November, the last month the 2006 test was offered.
"There's no way more than four years past without a test," is what my source told me. "Expect one sometime in 2010."
That post about Sheriff WEISel and Deputy Barney MASTERS was fucking hilarious!
LMFAOF!!!
I assume Cuello would be 'aunt Bea' and Hamilton would be Floyd the Barber!
I need a job, so let these guys retire by the hundreds. Fresh faces bring fresh ideas and are up to date with technology and are adaptable to change.
YEAH, FRESH FACES AND FRESH IDEAS ARE WHAT GOT THE CPD, AND THE ENTIRE CITY TOTALLY SCREWED UP.
Sounds good; when can I meet her--------------------sorry, misread the title, I thought it said "Short, of-age & cute".
I need a job, so let these guys retire by the hundreds. Fresh faces bring fresh ideas and are up to date with technology and are adaptable to change.
12/17/2009 08:40:00 AM
You will really find your Chicago Police experience rewarding.
We promise.
Wasn't the Great Barak a multi-tasker too... How's that working for his 11 month tired ass?
Remember they hired over 1500 pos in 1986 what if they all left at once or just half of them this year, just a thought
enjoy life if you ' re over 55 with 29years retire , you're coming to work for 11% of your salary , $9,000
this will be gone in 2012
"There's no way more than four years past without a test," is what my source told me. "Expect one sometime in 2010."
12/17/2009 07:41:00 PM
Your source sucks zebra-shit!
1975 to 1982, people waited up to SEVEN years to get on the job from just one list, bub!
Start reading before you post!
12/17/2009 07:20:00 AM
Jerry Eggers(RIP) was a class act. I wish he was able to enjoy the farm when he retired.
LOWER THE AGE TO 50 AND I'LL GO.
So Maurer complains about lack of manpower. Mayoral Kiss Ass Andolino gets Maurer dumped next day and now they want to put a whole class of PPO's into the airport. Nice compliant obedient"yes sir, no sir" PPO's.
That's because they sure don't need those PO's in 010 or 005 or God forbid, 003.
Makes sense, well......from Shortshanks point of view. Let's face it, he only cares about how HIS city looks to the rest of the nation. So you put in brand, spanking new PPO's that look great. Better than some tourist seeing some old, over weight guy with his belly hanging over his gun belt.
Let's face it. It's more smoke and mirrors.
I am soooo jealous. I wish I could go out now. Just got my water bill and I want out of this city.
to 07.20 and 02.00, Jerry Eggers was a copper's copper and he didn't let it go to his head. Mentored the young, told the Supervisors to piss off when they let it get to their heads.
RIP my friend.
Anonymous said...
Im sure that in the future the FOP will give senority rights up for a 2 or 3% raise.
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You’re a Moron. What purpose does your comment serve?
If this department was run properly we would need only between 7,000 and 8,000 officers. Move everyone out of the inside spots. Every commander and above does not get a staff but one aide. Make the people on the desk do the line ups and the A and A's. Eliminate the mass transit section (make it all special employment). Eliminate the detail section ( make it all special employment). You have just made three hundred more officers available for the street and created overtime spots for hungry police officers.
If you are maxed out with 29 years and a day this is great. You go out with 75% of your salary. Also you do not pay 3% state income tax on pension income in Illinois, no more 1.65% for insurance on a family plan, and no more 9% into the pension. That right there is an additional 13.65% you get on a pension check that you don't get on your check now. You would be living really on 88.65% of your salary. Many guys put 5, 6, 8, 10% into deferred comp. Take say 5% you would no longer be paying into deferred comp and your are at 93.65% of what your check used to be while working.
I just hope those 130 retirees realize that although their hospitalization is free---it is bullshit coverage. I pay over $650 a month for myself and spouse(BCBS PPO) and get no coverage at all for a routine colonoscopy or a mammogram...you know the things that you really need to get done when you are 55 years old. Im told that Donahue is telling people at the retirement seminar that the retiree coverage is the same as when you are still on the job--fuckin liar. And dont blame Blue Cross because it's this asshole mayor of ours who dictates what the coverage is. To those of you who are leaving--I wish you the best.
12/18/2009 03:01:00 PM
Anonymous said...
I just hope those 130 retirees realize that although their hospitalization is free---it is bullshit coverage. I pay over $650 a month for myself and spouse(BCBS PPO) and get no coverage at all for a routine colonoscopy or a mammogram...you know the things that you really need to get done when you are 55 years old. Im told that Donahue is telling people at the retirement seminar that the retiree coverage is the same as when you are still on the job--fuckin liar. And dont blame Blue Cross because it's this asshole mayor of ours who dictates what the coverage is. To those of you who are leaving--I wish you the best.
12/18/2009 04:50:00 PM
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Well buddy you are quite wrong. The coverage one receives at what was 60 and out, and now at 55 and out is a continuation of the same city plan that active P.O.'s are in. It does take about a month or six weeks for the coverage to change and become effective, but if you have any out of pocket expenses you are reimbursed. If you retired before sixty and are in the retiree plan, you are probably, at least mostly correct. That would put you in the retiree plan, with neither spouse yet Medicare eligible. Relax, when you hit medicare age, the cost will go down significantly, and the coverage is great.
The whole point of this is why the paid hospitalization at 55 is such a great deal.
Anonymous said...
to 07.20 and 02.00, Jerry Eggers was a copper's copper and he didn't let it go to his head. Mentored the young, told the Supervisors to piss off when they let it get to their heads.
RIP my friend.
12/18/2009 09:04:00 AM
As I remember, Jerry could have saved himself but stayed at the accident scene trying to free his wife and died with her when their disabled van was struck. Not too sure if I got the details exactly right. I believe he also was awarded the Lambert Tree Award during his career.
If this department was run properly we would need only between 7,000 and 8,000 officers. Move everyone out of the inside spots. Every commander and above does not get a staff but one aide. Make the people on the desk do the line ups and the A and A's. Eliminate the mass transit section (make it all special employment). Eliminate the detail section ( make it all special employment). You have just made three hundred more officers available for the street and created overtime spots for hungry police officers.
12/18/2009 09:59:00 AM
You really don't know what you are talking about. Really.
How about the FOP pushing for the same coverage for officers who max out no matter what age they are?
Anonymous said...
So we are trading any raise and retro for this?Big mistake
Typical dumb fuck respose to a topic on this site. Get a clue asshole, the city agreed to this because it makes sense to them fiscally. I wish people would pay attention to what is going on with the important issues within the department. Instead of going through life ignorant of things that they should be paying attention to.
"hmmm, 130 plus gone maybe 1000 more. 86 recruits going into training. not good."
Shouldn't matter to us. You can only handle the jobs one at a time. This should concern the citizens more than us.
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