Feud?
A bunch of tension between the CPD and and Cook County State's Attorneys Office. From the comments, someone who seems to have either an inside track or first-hand knowledge:
- I heard there is going to be a very high level meeting between the CCSAO and CPD later in the week to make nice nice. I guess there are some very hurt feelings on both sides. Expect even more problems with felony review after this. This could get ugly after when this is over.
More:
- The shit storm continues. Very high level arguments about who is the blame, how the paper should be written and whose head will roll. Seems like Debbie Kirby might have a problem. She did take the side of the CCSAO over the CPD. Right now a lot of bosses are fingers pointing at each other hoping to have a chair when the music stops.
Something to do with the Steger/Chicago spree killer.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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Now comes the turdulence. That would be turbulence in a shit storm.
Deb Kirby is is a dope. She is the one who told the detectives that if a crime is committed by a juvenile and are arrested when they are 17+ felony review will be called for the felony approval. This was from a meeting with the Cook County States Attorney. She sent everyone an email because she can't be bothered with writing an order. Soooo call felony review regarding the now adult offender and guess what they say? We never heard of such a thing and won't review the case. They blew her off as they should have. She is would be dangerous if she had a brain.
Just remember...everything was OK...until the PO-lice showed up!
Hello out there fellow gang and tactical warriors!
From the top secret UTW phone recording files!
13/MAR/2008 2235 hours
UTW calling ASA DEWEY YELLOWSPINE
YELLOWSPINE: Hello, ASA Yellowspine.
UTW: Yes fellow crime fighter. UTW here, and I got one for you. I caught a scumbag 3-time loser that jumped an off-duty P.O. from behind with a baseball bat and put the officer in a coma. We got two witnesses that saw the whole thing.
YELLOWSPINE: Was it caught on video? Did the offender confess?
UTW: Um, no...but-
YELLOWSPINE: Sorry, but I think the best we can hope for is a simple battery.
UTW: Okay, thanks......Dickbag!
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26/MARCH/2008 0655 hours
UTW calls ASA DEWEY YELLOWSPINE
UTW: Yeah, Warrior here. Slow day for my team. We grabbed this shoplifter for stealing over $150.00 of Kool-Aid. I don't want the upgrade, I just want to go to Teasers and get bombed, but this is the guys third shoplifting arrest in 5 years so I have to call you.
YELLOWSPINE: Hold please.
In the background you can hear the song "You make me feel like Dancing" by Leo Sayer. Yellowspine dancing and cheering.
YELLOWSPINE: Warrior my man! You made my day! Sorry, but we're gonna take this evil desperado to the limit! I'll call you back in two hours!
UTW: Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
END TRANSMISSION
Until next time fellow Delta Force Warriors, take care out there!
finger pointing at how the paper was written??? are you kidding me?? most of the slugs on this department will write a report half assed and inaccurate 90% of the time because they are lazy. many of us will write the report just to cover our ass... not to acutally report. give me a break. we are our own worst enemy. nobody on this job likes writing reports. most of the time its just about getting the report done with the least amount of hassle. god forbid if you put info in the report that would make you have to call and fax a copy to the dics!!! that would be way too much work. lets not fool ourselves.. there are not a lot of firecrackers on this job who will write a good report let alone do the job right.. lets not be too suprised by this news.
CCSA's have always treated the working cop like a doormat. Typical lawyer mentality, look-down-at-you-know-nothing-cop attitude. It's surprising it took so long for this simmering to come to a boil. Mostly because the CPD brass has always capitulated to their outrageous demands.
the classic battle between cpd and fel review continues to fester--- asa's want to try the case right on the phone before they approve charges because they are evaluated on conviction rates and don't want to handle cases that are marginal--- my experience with felony review has been collectively negative---
Cook County Circuit Judge James Brown ordered Amison -- who has prior convictions for aggravated kidnapping, aggravated vehicular hijacking, armed robbery and possession of a controlled substance -- held without bail.
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Why was this guy ever released? Someone needs to answer this question. Cook County is a joke.
No solidarity among the "Exempt Corps" ? Not only will they toss you under the Bus, they'll fuck each other over in a New York second !! Is DK getting a job at 26 & Cal ????
Ladies and gentlemen shut it down. Enough with the work. Do less to the point where the ASA's have no cases in court. Maybe then we can start laying them off along with there hack supervisors.
Please don't worry because these hacks are all guaranteed political jobs somewhere else. Good old Dave Navarro is safe at the state AG's office after being demoted in cook county. Scotty's Cassidy got his spot from his buddy Tom Dart after backing the wrong horse in the election. Ah and Bobby "the boob"Milan got his gig with the feds after his pathetic last place showing in the states attorneys race. I'm sure Dickey Devine had something to do with that.
None of these people have the ability to get a job in the private sector. Of course one day they'll be on the ballot for judge, because its there right.
Blame game=no substantive changes at our level=same old shit when the dust settles.
Cant get a felony approval on a battery to po or an agg. batt or a hate crime but they give away approval for retail theft like candy....FUCKING DUMB.
Anonymous said...
The following letter was delivered all over 35th Strt. today. Also copied to media, FBI, mayor's office:
12 Dec 2009
Dear Mr. Weiss:
You ask what can be done to improve officer morale. I’ve got over 20 years on this job and I have NEVER seen morale even remotely as low as it is now. Surely it can’t sink much lower.
When you were chosen as superintendent I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and held moderate hope for change. Very quickly however, you destroyed that hope.
You failed to deliver on promises. You insulted the troops. You wore a uniform you did not earn the right to wear and still should NOT wear. Clout still rules. You used the life of Bill Cozzi to enhance your image without benefit of conscience. Yet people who have stolen millions upon millions of dollars from this city enjoy prestige and status. You rub elbows with them, you’ve become one of them.
Bill Cozzi’s letters to SCC break my heart. You single-handedly broke the back and the spirit of this entire department by your actions. You are the puppet of the mayor and have surrounded yourself with ‘yes men’ and others who have no clue as to what it is to be a police officer. Some of your ‘yes men’ used to be the real police but have sold their souls for an empty gold-colored star. Those men are now shells, corrupted in their hearts.
There are such fine men and women in this department, and you treat them with contempt and disregard. What makes men great is the power and conviction of their character, the inner will to do the next right thing. You possess neither. How do you sleep at night, knowing what you did to Bill Cozzi? How do you look at yourself in the mirror knowing you are a soulless, contemptible machine hack?
This is the most corrupt city in the country. Instead of using the power bestowed upon you to further the cause of justice, you used it to enhance your persona and turned a blind eye to the criminals who run this city. All you have to do is read John Kass. Are you listening?
You could have done some great things, but you chose the other road. It’s such a shame, such a pity. The men and women who are forced to be under your command snicker at you with utter contempt and cannot wait until you are gone. You are our burden.
You have said you don’t read Second City Cop, but I don’t believe it. If you really don’t, you should. You don’t need meetings, or surveys, or policy groups who come up with useless plans and missions and bumper stickers (for God’s sake!) and useless programs. Listen to the troops. And show some respect—WE deserve it. All of US, not you.
The Real Police
12/15/2009 05:29:00 PM
This is the best part of the article,
"Amison threatened the strip club's employees and patrons before stealing money, firing his gun and being shot in the leg by a "concerned citizen," Lattanzio said."
I can't believe a rag in this town worded it in such a way as to shine a positive light on someone being armed!
Awesome....
Anonymous said...
BC's husband EOD in a little hot water? Video footage going around with EOD talking crazy
12/15/2009 10:35:00 PM
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Anything to this? Ed O. seems like a nice guy. Maybe he was just M-F'ing Weis? In that case, GO ED!!!
What a joke!
Cook County Circuit Judge James Brown ordered Amison -- who has prior convictions for aggravated kidnapping, aggravated vehicular hijacking, armed robbery and possession of a controlled substance -- held without bail.
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Why was this guy ever released? Someone needs to answer this question. Cook County is a joke.
12/16/2009 03:28:00 AM
Dangerous, crazy AND high. Sounds nice enough.
to who ever wrote that letter to j-fed and signed it the real police you hit the nail on the head.nice job.i'm one of the lucky ones leaving the job soon(not soon enough).i just cant believe how fucked up this job got in 20 yrs.your right about cozzi also,they fucked him but good.all i can say at this point is good luck to all cpd p.o.'s may god bless you. keep your heads down but your chins up.
They all think they are the smartest guy in the room. Just ask them.
Can anyone tell me how long felony review has been around? I was looking at the order and it came out in 1999. Was it just updated in 99? Just wondering. Thanks.
WAS KIRBY THE 1 THAT CAME UP WITH PROCESSING ADULT AS JUVIES IF THEY R 17?
EVEN MY OLD GED F.T.O KNEW THAT WAS GODAWFUL STUPID!
IF THATS THE KINDA OF THING THIS LAW SCHOOL GRAD CAN CUM UP WITH WE ARE IN WORSE SHAPE THAn i have ever suspected.
Debra Kirby did not become a lawyer until May 1994. Why is that? Normally, lawyers take the oath in November...
The only arrest reports I will EVER write will begin "ABOVE ARRESTED ON SIGNED COMPLAINTS"...PERIOD! END OF STORY! And if CCSAO doesnt approve the upgrade, OH WELL! Not my business! Too fucking bad I dont care!
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Anything to this? Ed O. seems like a nice guy. Maybe he was just M-F'ing Weis? In that case, GO ED!!!
Don't out the guy...cmon
Figures. Instead of using this as a "teaching" or "Learning" opportunity, the brass of both depts squabble like school children. Why not try to use this to get us to cooperate and work together. Don't we have the same goals? Fight crime and or evil? Ooops no. I forgot. For the ASA's it's about "justice", whatever that is. For us, it's a gut thing.
2009 12:46:00 AM
Ultimate Tactical Warrior said...
nothing funny again as usual. If wack warrior did any police work instead of hiding behind an area 3 district desk, or window shopping while pushing the wagon , he would actually be funny.
Get back to the Discovery Center and re take the creative writing class, Starbucks sipper. You're slipping.
Kirby is untouchable. After the SOS debacle which she was a major player, she wasn't punished she was actually promoted. She clouted up big time.
SCC,
I am a suburban officer and can tell you that the problem with the CCSAO's office is not only with Chicago, it extends to the suburbs as well.
When Felony Review was centralized at 26/Cal, department brass across cook county were told that this move would make Felony Review more "efficient" and that officers would not have to wait for hours to get a call back from an ASA among other things.
Well, fast forward and guess what, we took three steps backward. We are still waiting for hours to get a call back from an ASA.
Additionally, with Felony Review being centralized, I have had several ASA's tell me that they are not getting the case folders in time for bond court so they have no information.
I know for a fact that the brass at my agency which borders Chicago have written several letters to Anita Alvarez outlining their concerns and that they are getting aggravated with the clusterfuck that has become Felony Review.
CPD, you are not alone
A suburban officer.
OT i want to know who the dumb fuck thats at H.Q. that came up with the idea of switching to a different car everyday. no more reg cars. one day you have a car with 100,000 miles no computer next day you work the same beat with a new tahoe. this is the pilot in 014 for the 4and 2. guess they are making sure we have the best out there at all times.
There is no valid reason that cops have to call felony review to charge a felony. It's nothing more than corruption to have attorneys deciding cases outside the nomal proceedings.
What's the story with a video going around where a exempt is going off on CPD leadership? SCC please reveal the video, I like a boss that has nuts
The States Attorney drops the ball on other cases too.
Back in June 2009 our cars were broken into and items were stolen. The Evidence Tech. recovered 2 ridge impressions on the exterior doors, both coming back to 2 different offenders.
The detective issued an investigative alert, the suspect with the worse background located and picked up out of Cook County Jail (4 weeks later) on a writ for an unrelated UUW case, (I think it was violation of terms of his probation).
We had a fingerprint putting him on scene, an admission with his part in the crime and still there was a denial of felony charges by the ASA Office. He could only be charged in this case with misdemeanor theft.
Today 15 Dec 2009, that same offender along with another adult and juvy was arrested and charged this time for felony burglary for breaking into cars in 022 Dist.
Had the States Attorneys Office charged this individual back in June 2009 for a felony he might have been still sitting at Cook County Jail pending trial for my items stolen back in June 2009, but instead our court system allowed him to do he deviously deeds again !
Kudos to 022nd District for arresting this guy doing his criminal deeds again.
Both CPD and CCSAO are a sad political joke. Corruption has been rampant and these Agencies should have been totally taken over by the Feds over a decade ago. Now it's too late. The Feds are just as corrupted and blind-eyed to enforcing real justice, unless the justice is politically correct with their Politician Puppet-Masters.
To the police officer that wrote the ltr to Mr Weiss on Dec. 12th and signed The Real Police your words could not have been spoken any better. I have been married to this job for over 20 years. We have gone through some great times and some rough times. But no matter what I never felt like the department didn't care until the last few years. I only hope that Mr Weiss and other exempts take the time to read your letter and truly understand what is going on out on the streets. To all the wonderful police officers out there, remember to stay proud, strong, and loyal. Remember your families and friends are very proud of you and will always support you and be there for you. Have a Merry Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year!!!
signed,
THE PROUD WIFE OF A CPD POLICEMAN
States Attorney SUCKS and messes up, espcially in domestic violence cases, that is why that is the number one reported crime in each district each month.
Ultimate Tactical Warrior, You are the bestes. Every day you hit the nail on the head. Everyone ought to read your profile. Then they will understand the make up of a true cops cop. " God bless the UTW"
Judge James Brown is a real judge that has balls and a sharp eye on the criminal dope. He is a Chicago resident and wants to help eliminate the shit bags like most of us do from this shit city.
I can not stand anything that has to do with felony review. They are the absolute worst! Instead of using the correct charge as the law states and then trying the case as it should be in court, they ask you to try the damn thing over the phone and if you don't have a slam dunker they won't give you the felony. Just the worst system ever. Plus you're talking to kids just out of law school that have no idea what they're doing. We get stuck having to listen to them talk to us in a condesending mannar for doing our job. Another reason many have stopped doing real work. Just too many loop holes and aggravation when making arrests now a days.
I know part of the reason the ASA's are so hostile toward the CPD and that is b/c we make MORE money than they do. They are up to their eye balls in debt and think they are so much better and smarter than us and can't stand the fact that many of us didn't even go to college and are making more dough than them.
OT.
This evening, our illustrious leader, j-fed, was on WTTW's Chicago Tonight program. He was interviewed by Phil Ponce, who took it very easy on banjo boy, and let banjo boy talk his crap about numbers showing crime reduction, more with less, officers on the dot, and our shortages compared to the Phoenix Police Department, however, Mr. Ponce did ask him about the FOP no confidence vote. Banjo boy related to Mr. Ponce that he, Ponce, should ask the officer on the street. Wah? Huh?
Hey Phil Ponce, you do not have to leave your office to learn the opinion shared by the officers on the street. Just punch up this here SCC blog and you will learn exactly how we feel about j-fed.
Make no mistake, j-fed is a piece of scum, low-down, dirty dog that is way over his head, in a profession of which he knows nothing. He cannot leave soon enough for the officer on the street. Now Mr. Ponce, there is your answer from the officers on the street and you didn't even have to leave your desk.
12/15/2009 10:55:00 PM
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Ponce just went through the motions. He allowed Weis to not answer the questions, as Weis normally does. Weis is very good at using lots of words to say nothing, yet sound like he said something of substance.
Ponce screwed up and stated Weis had received a no-confidence vote from a hundred something members of the RANK AND FILE. Once again, the media failed to address the fact that those nearly two hundred people were FOP REPRESENTATIVES of the entire department who stood in place of some ten thousand officers.
I almost fell off the chair when Ponce said, "So, how is that going?" (after bringing up the 'no confidence' vote) and Weis looked like a deer in the headlights. That must have been the one question they didn't prep him for before they went on air.
Channel 11 archives these interviews. You can go to their website and listen to him tapdance about how we're changing how we handle missing persons cases from now on.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
BC's husband EOD in a little hot water? Video footage going around with EOD talking crazy
12/15/2009 10:35:00 PM
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While it is a bit funny, unless EOD took and distributed this video himself, whoever did is a real four-star asshole. I'm sure if he was out having a few, he thought he was among friends, not being taped so he could be embarrassed by speeking freely among people he trusted. Think of all the private rants any of us have made to friends and think of the embarassment you would face if they were made public. What's said in the bar should stay in the bar, or at least not secretly taped and be made public.
I do agree with his assessment of the man though.
A few months back in the 004th district , a hard working guy on his way to work with his wife in the car accidentally cuts off some guy in traffic while being unsure of his whereabouts. Near the vicinity of 104th/Torrence, after he pulls off the road to gather his bearings, the scumbag that he cut off pulls up along side him, grabs his pistol, and shoots the poor guy in the face and kills him. The victims wife is the only witness to the crime, and is seated a mere 15-20 feet from the offender at the time the crime is committed. The dicks have a partial plate of the offenders vehicle and do an outstanding job and track this asshole down. The vicitms wife positively identifies the guy as the person who shot and killed her husband in broad daylight. When it comes time to charge this piece of shit, the states attorneys office rejects charges because the dicks were never able to locate the vehicle used and that the wife was the only witness.
And I'm sure there is more to this story, but if this is partly accurate, god help the residents of cook county. I know the criminals confidence levels rise everyday. If this doesn't sum up the incompotence level of the states attorneys office, i don't know what does.
The new felony review system is a total nightmare. It seems that most of the Felony review ASA's are wet behind the ears fresh out of law school, and cant seem to make any descision without calling to their supervisor. They are micro-managing all aspects of the case, and in general they are determined to make obtaining a felony as difficult as posible. They want nothing in court but slam dunks. Anything that looks remotely like it could end up in motions or a trial is strickly forbidden.
-Suburban Detective
It was nice seeing all the old-timers that are leaving by April take premium furlough spots. Hope you enjoy your retirment NOT! I'm going to have to find a non-freeze hair gel for my 1A pick.
stop with the BS!! We all know who is right and who is wrong here. We as the police lock up bad guys PERIOD. We dont go fucking the working man who is a stand up citizen. Its the ASAs that dont prosecute the way a case the way it should be. Dont blame it on how something is fucking written, stop playing law school genius and see a fucking shitbag for what he is. The problem with 95% of ASAs is that they arent from chicago originally and have no fuucking idea what its like. This isnt pofuckingdunk kentucky kids so understand that when we bring a case to you 99% of the time they are legit. If you choose to let a shitbag go on a lesser plea so you can simply get a conviction then so be it. But man up and be willing to take the heat. The cook county jail wasnt overcrowded for 15yrs because bad guys were turning themselves in or because the ASAs were locking guys up. The CPD put those mutts there, its the ASAs and judges jobs to keep them in there
Felony Review is a joke, you have three deputies that are making decisions and expect detectives to put their carrers in jeopardy regarding some of the decisions like being forced to hold witnesses in Areas, so handwritten statements can be done sometimes for 12+ hours, or forcing the witnesses to come back in three, four or five times because the deputy can't make up their mind on what they want to do with the witness.
Deb Kirby is a moron!!!!!!! AGAIN a CPD Boss that never actually placed handcuffs on an offender making decisions.
OT - Good riddance to the Olympics!
The Rio2016 Olympians had better pack body armor along with their Nike Swoosh sweat suits and fancy Puma track shoe.
CRIME IS RUNNING RAMPANT THERE!
On average, the police kill one person for every 37,751 arrests here in the U S.
In Rio, POLICE KILL ONE PERSON FOR EVERY 23 they arrest! ! !
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp
/34364124#34405758
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Done right (emphasis on those words) felony review makes sense: shitcan the dogs so you don't waste investigator resources or jail space and concentrate on the ones who need to be zapped. Theory is great but in practice it may suck. Some of those people need to get out of their offices and come down and see what's going on in the real world.
Not every ASA is a political hack, either. And, even if they are, doesn't necessarily mean incompetent. I had a dealing a couple of years back with the DuPage SA (too bad he didn't run for governor) who, despite his political aims, actually seemed to know what was going on without having to ask and, more important, actually gave a shit.
This deaprtment is a mess! There is a pattern of stupid decisions being made by various different people without consulting others that may be better equiped to make the decision. From silly bumper stickers, public survey cards, the juvenile felony review rule, etc. etc. It sure seems like J-fed is either making dumb decisions or does not have control of his crew of fools. And how about the tahoe's not having 4W-Drive? When I tell outsiders that one they can't believe it!
Roll Call
Lunch
Check Off.......
Repeat
THATS IT!
Doing more isnt worth the shit you have to go thru to get it.
Remember well a PO in 019 that was Attacked by a lunatic with a large butcher knife.
(SHOULD BE AGG BAT TO THE POLICE RIGHT?) But noooooooooooooo the ASA
"couldnt be bothered".History on the Offender: multiple last names and SSN's(so as to escape Welfare Fraud she was later convicted on)Multiple arrests and convictions BUT THE ASA COULDNT BE BOTHERED. The PO shaken and visibly upset sustained some injuries. I along with 5 Officers from 019 had to literally fight and wrestle with the offender to get her into cuffs(cracked out) Once she was at A/3, the offender had no idea why she was cuffed to a wall and her neck,ribs,jaw and arms hurt.
Again the ASA took more of the OFFENDERS side rather than the Officers or MY side of the event and was trying to make it look like WE were the bad guys. Eventually due to diligence on the Officer's part and thru MULTIPLE appearances on my part on the Officer's behalf, the POS got 2 years felony PROBATION. You read right lads, PROBATION. Since this LET DOWN by the ASA pissed ME off no end I initiated an investigation into the offender CIVILLY,She eventually was EVICTED from CHA and faced Fraud Charges which were successfully prosecuted.As far as the ASA is concerned,NEVER AGAIN. Im done.
As for the rest of you, fight the fight if you want to but heed the warnings of your fellows, THIS IS NOT WORTH IT.
......with there hack supervisors.
......because its there right.
Can't have a whole lot o faith in anything that you write when you don't know the difference between "there" and "their." Don't even try to blame it on a typo.
ODonnell is a good boss and not political at all. Make him the new Supt
Anonymous said...
BC's husband EOD in a little hot water? Video footage going around with EOD talking crazy
12/15/2009 10:35:00 PM
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Anything to this? Ed O. seems like a nice guy. Maybe he was just M-F'ing Weis? In that case, GO ED!!!
12/16/2009 06:13:00 AM
he is a party animal ! I love it. I want to see the video
OT:
EOD seems to have fallen from grace...no one is doing any talking...yet.
BC finally egtting thrown under the bus?
It'S because CPD leadership and CCSAO leadership is both INCOMPETENT. Fuckin Democrats, VOTE REPUBLICAN
Not a cop trying to understand the process from a different perspective. Thought cops had computers in their cars, why cant on the way to the station you voice command a report on the laptop and that can be handed it once you get to the station? Just curious.
Don't forget the CCSAO Christmas party on 17 DEC 09 at Schinick's Pub located at 38th St. and Union. Hammer any ASA caught driving under the influence. Remember do it to them before they do it to us.
I was spit on, kicked, etc and no felony charges. Imagine if I were to do that to a thug on the street? I say i get 15yrs in the joint but booboo gets a misdemeanor battery. FUCK the ASAs
Dear Mr. Weiss:
"You ask what can be done to improve officer morale. I’ve got over 20 years on this job and I have NEVER seen morale even remotely as ...blah blah blah."
Fine job but this mfjo don't give a shit about us.J would step on the backs of floating dead coppers to shake the mayors hand on the other side of the river. Don't waste your fucken breath on this fake cop. That kid that got out of juvie today has 5 hours more patrol experience than he does. So again a hearty fuck you to all exempts and to everyone else a good night.
Chaslkie made an early evening visit to 017. M4 gangbanger shot in head.
OT
Got a robo call from Garrido tonite. Made good points, but seems like an odd time for a political call. Caller ID showed the call was coming from DC.
What video footage of EOD? either let us know or stop the gossip/rumor. What gives tell us details.
FUN NEW YEARS PREDICTIONS:
-shortguy has a nervous breakdown when he has to pay retro to 1st responders.
-J-chump tries to improve morale by writting a new Gen Order to be happy. (I had a LT.Col once in the marines that ordered us "not to be cold" in Korea, At least he did that after taking a bath in frozen stream not like this fake puffed up jagoff).
-Ultimate Tac Warrior gets dumped back to the watch because a heavy legacy didn't want to go to midnights.
-An exempt beats up a girl in a bar, has his unemployed pregnant daughter selling dope and guns out of his condo, gets a DUI,and recieves a stern reprimand from the dept.
-Canine bites his new clout boy handler in the stones and comes up empty.
-Over 130 P.O's retire, get fired or resign and find life after this bullshit department.
-States attorney's nolle everything in sight and force 26th and Cal into forclosure.
-Entire new PPO class goes on the medical cause they are too afraid to go to work and get sued.
-Cozzi is vindicated and tracks down J-Pud and whips the shit out of him.
Happy New Year!
OT
"A teenage police imposter was released from a state youth correctional facility today after a Cook County judge decided to give him another chance."
OT: this Superintendent and his staff are actively working to discourage Department members and others from testifying on behalf of police officers in their cases at the Chicago Police Board. This man has done many dispicable things since he was handed control of this once-fine organization. But this recent effort by the Superintendent to hurt his own officers takes the cake.
Hey, Just wanted to let you know today (days) the PO on Bt#511 saved a senior citizen from a burning house. Good job Officer!
I wonder if jag-offs mouth piece is reading this...
Lets not give them any ammo.
Anonymous said...
finger pointing at how the paper was written??? are you kidding me?? most of the slugs on this department will write a report half assed and inaccurate 90% of the time because they are lazy. many of us will write the report just to cover our ass... not to acutally report. give me a break. we are our own worst enemy. nobody on this job likes writing reports. most of the time its just about getting the report done with the least amount of hassle. god forbid if you put info in the report that would make you have to call and fax a copy to the dics!!! that would be way too much work. lets not fool ourselves.. there are not a lot of firecrackers on this job who will write a good report let alone do the job right.. lets not be too suprised by this news.
12/16/2009 02:09:00 AM
Your just stupid!!!!
The fallout begins. Heard felony review is giving A1 dicks a hard time on a case that is a simple rejection making thme jump through unnecessary hoops. I think the first shot was fired when Alvarez put those three toads as deputies in FRU. Tha set the tone for what is apparently a dying relationship.
EOD was just speaking at his units Ret/Christmas Party. He was doing what happens at most good parties, roasting his retirees and some of the bosses who were in attendence. No harm no foul typical mountain out of a molehill.
It was nice seeing all the old-timers that are leaving by April take premium furlough spots. Hope you enjoy your retirment NOT! I'm going to have to find a non-freeze hair gel for my 1A pick.
12/16/2009 12:55:00 PM
WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN YOU'LL DO THE SAME. IF THE FURL IS AFTER HIS RETIREMENT DATE, CDR CAN OPEN THE VACATED SPOT FOR BID. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE NO RIGHTS AT ALL, AS IT WAS WHEN I CAME ON. THINK ABOUT IT.
It was nice seeing all the old-timers that are leaving by April take premium furlough spots. Hope you enjoy your retirment NOT! I'm going to have to find a non-freeze hair gel for my 1A pick.
12/16/2009 12:55:00 PM
And if they did not get the required number by 12/31 they would have pulled their papers back and get stuck with lousy furlough, I think not
Judge James Brown is a real judge that has balls and a sharp eye on the criminal dope. He is a Chicago resident and wants to help eliminate the shit bags like most of us do from this shit city.
12/16/2009 10:58:00 AM
Oh yeah he is a real judge alright, he is a bridgeport political hack, who was formerly a 11th ward got me a job at the CCSAO before Richie Daley (his boyhood, family friend) appointed his to his associate judge position. This guy makes rulings the way Dick Daley tells him to rule, he is simple minded and sure as hell isn't coming out with any brilliant legal opinions. Associate Judge James Brown is a typical Chicago political hack just like those douchebags in the CCSAO. Please don't say he is a good judge, the criminal courts section has plenty better ones than this Daley yes-man.
Check out this heroic man tackle a POS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNfTfr_tslg&feature=related
Anonymous said...
......with there hack supervisors.
......because its there right.
Can't have a whole lot o faith in anything that you write when you don't know the difference between "there" and "their." Don't even try to blame it on a typo.
12/16/2009 03:22:00 PM
But, but, but Spell-check it was all good....
listen you go to 80th and ashland on friday sgt B.H and do a license check. tear the place up, destroy thousands of dollars in liquor arrest no one and do no paper and don't worry about the video. Tell them Chief Brown sent you. and when they show you a liget current licensc uncuff the bartender you just ruffed up on film. Vice your days are numbered. This was a coppers bar
There is no valid reason that cops have to call felony review to charge a felony. It's nothing more than corruption to have attorneys deciding cases outside the nomal proceedings.
12/16/2009 09:46:00 AM
Very Good Point!
We call felony review for them to decide if the charges are suitable for prosecution or for upgrades. Of the ones that they approve, how many of those criminals are walking around on the street today? A whole helluva lot, that's how many. It's a useless step. That's the point where the ball is dropped, boys and girls.
there are not a lot of firecrackers on this job who will write a good report let alone do the job right..
That's because 99% of the reports should have never been written in the first place because 99.99% of the jobs we respond to are complete bullshit but we have to go anyway because OEMC are a bunch of douches. Have you been out of patrol so long that you forgot that, Mr. Firecracker??? Go stick a firecracker up your ass, ya clout baby!
The Real Police
12/15/2009 05:29:00 PM
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Nice letter, but you might want to spell J-Fed's name correctly since you spent so much time writing such an elaborate letter.
Not defending ASA's but many P.O.'s today don't or refuse to write good papaer with proper info regarding crimes to be upgraded. Many times after the P.O. calls in his awesome Felony Pinch and the Dicks come out, it takes about 5 minutes with the victim to hear a completly different account than what was given to arresting officers and also there seems to be witnesses to this awesome Felony, but ask the Arresting P.O. where these witnesses are or maybe contact info on them and look at the blank stares. Dicks and ASA work together to separate the bullshit from the decent cases. Again not defending ASA's but not all Awesome Felony Arrests will end up being Felonies. Remember who we are dealing with as victims and witnesses. They have to cooperate with the investigation and be willing to show up in court, sober,
listen you go to 80th and ashland on friday sgt B.H and do a license check. tear the place up, destroy thousands of dollars in liquor arrest no one and do no paper and don't worry about the video. Tell them Chief Brown sent you. and when they show you a liget current licensc uncuff the bartender you just ruffed up on film. Vice your days are numbered. This was a coppers bar
12/16/2009 10:47:00 PM
Chief Brown? Say no more.
2009 12:46:00 AM
Ultimate Tactical Warrior said...
nothing funny again as usual. If wack warrior did any police work instead of hiding behind an area 3 district desk, or window shopping while pushing the wagon , he would actually be funny.
Get back to the Discovery Center and re take the creative writing class, Starbucks sipper. You're slipping.
12/16/2009 09:04:00 AM
awwwwwwwww does the UTW hurt your feelings,are you one of those 40 year old tac guys who brags he can wear his backwards hat and old dickie jeans to work to be the real police or is it the reality that those one rock in the sock around the block foot chases really dont mean shit.wwaaaaaaaahhhhh.KEEP RIGHTING UTW I'LL WRITE YOUR ON-VIEW TRAFFIC ACCIDENT ANYTIME.
On average, the police kill one person for every 37,751 arrests here in the U S.
In Rio, POLICE KILL ONE PERSON FOR EVERY 23 they arrest! ! !
Well, it would certainly reduce the recidivism here....
I'm just sayin'....ammo and anonymous burial is cheaper than CB# and CR#'s...and judges, lawyers, appeals and jails...
God bless Eddie O'D, the man was, is and will always be top shelf.
Helped out more copper' and their family then a person can count.
A big "F-U" to a anyone that says shit about this man.
Yours Truly,
Mr. K.M.A. Club Detective of Police.
Wow--there are some real issues in Cook County and I'd sad for you guys and the ASAs. I suspect there is a huge communication problem.
First off, I am a suburban prosecutor and an ex-cop as are two of my coworkers. Working cop -- checking doors, busting drunks, booking prisoners, running radar, putting up with political b.s., etc. Went to law school after line of duty shit put me on the disabled list. No clout. I'm one of the old farts the hacks have to go to when they need to get something done.
To be up front, I've had mixed experiences dealing with both Chicago PD and Cook County SA. In both cases. 85% of the time they can't do enough for you. The other 15% I want to yank out my old Kel-Lite and whack some sense into a lazy scmuck who ought to be stocking at a Jewel.
I also want you to know that I love my officers -- and I mean that very seriously. I care about them on and off the job. I've been there. It's no fun to see an innocent kid die before your eyes or to get shit from some bozos when you do your job right. And I know that it's sometimes better to be tried by 12 than carried by six.
I am also disturbed when battery to p.o. cases and *real" resistings get the short end of the stick either by the prosecutor or judge. Good cases should be pursued whenever possible and it's insulting when they're not.
That said, guys, there's a reality check. No prosecutor's office anywhere can accept every case than comes across the door. I can tell you I've had to deny more in the last couple of years just because the resources aren't there and it's sad for some victims, especially in property crimes, who aren't getting full service. If on a jury call day you've got, say, 36 unresolved cases, only one can be tried. The reality is that the politicians want us barefoot and pregnant lest we have the time and energy to go after them.
Sad to say, we do have to make choices and those cases that are weaker aren't likely to survive. The reality is also that, except in extreme cases, probable cause isn't enough. The working standard is best stated by our British friends: Is there a reasonable likelihood of a conviction and, if so, is the prosecution in the public interest?
That's where good cops come in. The better a case is prepared, chances are it has a better chance of winning. And if the public interest favors a prosecution, say something. Case in point: arsonist torched an occupied house. As a kid he was suspected in a $6 million fire but they couldn't connect the dots. The investigators briefed me on the background and together we pulled out all the stops to nail this guy who is still doing 40 years.
I read the bitching about how the felony review people want a video, a confession and six nuns as witnesses. Some of that is understandable, guys. Thanks to CSI, NCIS and the like jurors across the country expect every i dotted, every t crossed and a bunch of people in lab coats in every case. We've even had jurors acquit because there were no fingerprints on a coke fold! Most of the time jurors look for reasons to acquit, not convict. (continued)
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Also sad to say there's a generation of younger cops and prosecutors that have a different work ethic. Some are really into it but there are more and more 9-5 people these days. There are also a lot of supervisors who are still wet behind the ears themselves. It's not the old days. Some of our younger officers also worry me for other reasons, i.e., their definition of dirtbag includes a motorist going 14 miles over the limit and some seem to get into too many fights and/or are too quick to pull out the taser (I rue the day when I may have to review a taser death to determine if the use of force was justified).
As a supervisor, I am concerned when cases are denied that there needs to be communication as to why. If an officer screwed up, how can he or she improve if the error isn't pointed out? Sometimes it can be fixed with some followup. My experience is that most errors would have taken one minute or less of time to get right the first time. (By the same token I have no problem shouting out praise for a job well done.)
You should know that as a supervisor my standard of review isn't whether I agree or disagree with someone else's decision. I am primarily concerned as to whether there was an abuse of discretion. No two people will always see the same set of facts the same way and I am usually obligated to sustain a call unless it's really off base.
I'm very sorry your conflicts are this deep but they are unlikely to be resolved without both sides coming together in a spirit of communication and cooperation. Good luck. Please know that there are prosecutors who do care, including in Cook County. One of the problems is that the people we work for often don't.
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2009 12:46:00 AM
Ultimate Tactical Warrior said...
nothing funny again as usual. If wack warrior did any police work instead of hiding behind an area 3 district desk, or window shopping while pushing the wagon , he would actually be funny.
Get back to the Discovery Center and re take the creative writing class, Starbucks sipper. You're slipping.
12/16/2009 09:04:00 AM
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Dude, you know you're picking a fight with a fictional character right? Probably safer for you since I heard the gangbangers used to collect and trade your teeth.
What do you contribute to the blog tact boy? Go back to bed with your Dugan blowup doll
Anonymous said...
The only arrest reports I will EVER write will begin "ABOVE ARRESTED ON SIGNED COMPLAINTS"...PERIOD! END OF STORY! And if CCSAO doesnt approve the upgrade, OH WELL! Not my business! Too fucking bad I dont care!
No shit Sherlock! They all have signed complaints.
Most of the major problems in Chicago, Cook County, the CPD, and the CCSAO can be encompassed with one word ... DEMOCRAT ...
A party of grasping thieving no talent anti American hacks.
A few months back in the 004th district , a hard working guy on his way to work with his wife in the car accidentally cuts off some guy in traffic while being unsure of his whereabouts. Near the vicinity of 104th/Torrence, after he pulls off the road to gather his bearings, the scumbag that he cut off pulls up along side him, grabs his pistol, and shoots the poor guy in the face and kills him. The victims wife is the only witness to the crime, and is seated a mere 15-20 feet from the offender at the time the crime is committed. The dicks have a partial plate of the offenders vehicle and do an outstanding job and track this asshole down. The vicitms wife positively identifies the guy as the person who shot and killed her husband in broad daylight. When it comes time to charge this piece of shit, the states attorneys office rejects charges because the dicks were never able to locate the vehicle used and that the wife was the only witness.
And I'm sure there is more to this story, but if this is partly accurate, god help the residents of cook county. I know the criminals confidence levels rise everyday. If this doesn't sum up the incompotence level of the states attorneys office, i don't know what does.
12/16/2009 12:24:00 PM I remember hearing about this. unfuckingbelievable
Judge James Brown is a real judge that has balls and a sharp eye on the criminal dope.
I dislike most cook county judges, but I will say this about Judge Brown; he stood up against that no good disbarred racist ghetto hack ex judge R Eugene Pincham and shot him down. That makes him a-ok in my book.
Roast in hell, Pincham.
Oh yeah, Kirby. You're a crooked political hack that should be getting investigated by IAD, not running it. I remember when being the police to you meant working the 005th district desk while going to school I also remember being a detective to you meant studying half the night for your law license, and sleeping the other half, ON 1st watch duty, during your stint in area 2.
Thank God for the 19th ward and Rugai, huh Debbie?
You hack.
Speak for yourself Dickhead. Most coppers I know give the bullshit jobs the respect they deserve on paper, but when it comes to the real crimes against real victims, they do their best to relate the facts and put in what needs to be put in the paper. I hope your not a copper, if you are, time to fuckin' retire!
Not saying that the ASA's are right or polite, I've dealt with many of the pricks in my career, but wouldn't it be wise to have them address roll calls and tell us what their looking for as to the elements of the crime needed to approve these felonies?
listen you go to 80th and ashland on friday sgt B.H and do a license check. tear the place up, destroy thousands of dollars in liquor arrest no one and do no paper and don't worry about the video. Tell them Chief Brown sent you. and when they show you a liget current licensc uncuff the bartender you just ruffed up on film. Vice your days are numbered. This was a coppers bar
You mean hey listen. dam strait this is another fk up by ernies spys. Best is sgt claims its a dba beef but no dba on scene. Huh? If you only knew, it dont work like that. dba always on scene on their own beefs. Sounded more like another weekly ernie personal vendetta gettin busted up by his dubius soldiers. You think there'll be a cr or lawsuit or you think ernie will send his reverends back there with an envelope to make peace?
Hey listen H.R. You got a hand full of dirtie shit with ernie and eve, everything they DEMAND is illegal or else GET DUMPED. vice is the new s.o.s. watch this go down,,,
That's because 99% of the reports should have never been written in the first place because 99.99% of the jobs we respond to are complete bullshit but we have to go anyway because OEMC are a bunch of douches. Have you been out of patrol so long that you forgot that, Mr. Firecracker??? Go stick a firecracker up your ass, ya clout baby!
Even so, I think his point is that most coppers do shit paper out of laziness and lack of pride in their job. If for no other reason, you should take the time to do a decent report on any job and be dilligent on a good pinch or legit case because your name is on it and it is a reflection of you....
Not a cop trying to understand the process from a different perspective. Thought cops had computers in their cars, why cant on the way to the station you voice command a report on the laptop and that can be handed it once you get to the station? Just curious.
12/16/2009 05:29:00 PM
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Once I caught my breath after laughing hysterically at this post, I thought I'd come back to my (working, because I bought it personally) computer and try to answer you.
Fully a third of the cars in my district have no computer at all. Those that do, well, they have first generation computers (the city is now on the FOURTH generation) that fail will great regularity. When the weather is cold or hot, they fail even more frequently.
Now, with the great new plan from the folks downtown who have never actually pushed a beat car, each day we drive a different car. Now, we get to chase down a computer that fits the specific computer mount in our car. Then, we pray that computer will function when we turn it on. Then, we hope it will continue to function once it warms up. THEN, we hope the system will stay up and running for the entire tour of duty.
VOICE COMMANDS? You have a great future in stand-up comedy.
It was nice seeing all the old-timers that are leaving by April take premium furlough spots. Hope you enjoy your retirment NOT! I'm going to have to find a non-freeze hair gel for my 1A pick.
12/16/2009 12:55:00 PM
Get some time on the job asswipe, then bitch about the furlough you didn't get. Stop the whining, although that all you 5 year wonder do nothings know how to do. Nothin' but, BITCH & MOAN!!!!
I know part of the reason the ASA's are so hostile toward the CPD and that is b/c we make MORE money than they do. They are up to their eye balls in debt and think they are so much better and smarter than us and can't stand the fact that many of us didn't even go to college and are making more dough than them.
12/16/2009 11:29:00 AM
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No problem. They, too, can come make our salary.
First, they can take the test and score in the top 5%, then they can do four to six months in the Academy and pass the educational and physical requirements. They can spend a thousand dollars on a gun, learn to shoot it and pass the many tests for marksmanship.
Then, they can go out on the street and slog through the mud and the sleet and learn the ways of the ghetto and go home some nights to peel their clothes off on the porch before they enter their nice, clean homes. They will learn not to lean against walls in buildings crawling with roaches and they will learn not to touch people who have lice and worse.
After they pass probation, they can start repaying the loans they took to buy thousands of dollars' worth of uniforms and equipment.
We get paid well because we ARE the (very) thin blue line between civility and victimization. We get shot at, spit on, abused and accused. WE are the ones standing ankle-deep in the sleetstorms and WE are the ones who go into those homes with a 'suspicious odor' and deal with those decomposed bodies. I can't say I recall the last time I saw an ASA at a crime scene, dealing with a shooting victim whose scalp has been half blown off, much less out there scraping bodies off the street.
Tell any ASA who cries 'poor' to try it for a week. They could never do our job.
scc,
was chatting with an ASA one day waiting for a trial to start. he was complaining about his job and stated that their TOP pay is $58,000 until they get promoted to a felony chair in a courtroom.
The new centralized FRU is a joke. They have people who don't even understand why certain crimes are a felony and you still wait for hours.
Once an ASA called me and said him and the others were out at breakfast and would call me when he was done!
"Not a cop trying to understand the process from a different perspective. Thought cops had computers in their cars, why cant on the way to the station you voice command a report on the laptop and that can be handed it once you get to the station? Just curious.
12/16/2009 05:29:00 PM"
"Years from now when you talk about this - and you will - be kind."
"I like a boss that has nuts
12/16/2009 09:49:00 AM"
uh........
naw, it's too easy.......
"2009 12:46:00 AM
Ultimate Tactical Warrior said...
nothing funny again as usual. If wack warrior did any police work instead of hiding behind an area 3 district desk, or window shopping while pushing the wagon , he would actually be funny.
Get back to the Discovery Center and re take the creative writing class, Starbucks sipper. You're slipping.
12/16/2009 09:04:00 AM"
those who can, do.
those who can't, bitch.
When the former Supt. RB brought the Burge allegations to King Richie it was ignored until it EXPLODED.
Nothing has or WILL change in Crook County.
Everybody seems to be forgetting that incompetent cook county board president (but not for long) todd stroger cut the budget of the Cook County States Attorney's office, forcing them to lay off hundreds of attorneys.
With that office short so many attorneys they are forced into some drastic triage of cases to conserve resources.
You all know how short the CPD is? CCSA is also very short.
I haven't heard what John Garrido would do about this shortage if elected. As a sworn officer I hope he would restore some funds for additional attorneys in the CCSA office, I just don't recall if he ever said that.
Not saying that the ASA's are right or polite, I've dealt with many of the pricks in my career, but wouldn't it be wise to have them address roll calls and tell us what their looking for as to the elements of the crime needed to approve these felonies?
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If I had to guess it is not so much about the crime itself as that there is a very limited amount of court space, ASAs, and public defender resources available. Its likely they could not possibly prosecute every case as fully as some might want just because there are no resources to do it.
ODonnell is a good boss and not political at all. Make him the new Supt
not. drink some more kool aid
Anonymous said...
The Real Police
12/15/2009 05:29:00 PM
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Nice letter, but you might want to spell J-Fed's name correctly since you spent so much time writing such an elaborate letter.
12/16/2009 10:58:00 PM
==The spelling of his name was meant to be an insult, just as I addressed him as "MR." instead of "Supt."
==I tried to get some subliminal shots in....
Sometimes those are more effective than the outright truth.
You should have seen how the envelope was addressed!!!!
"Not a cop trying to understand the process from a different perspective. Thought cops had computers in their cars, why cant on the way to the station you voice command a report on the laptop and that can be handed it once you get to the station? Just curious.
12/16/2009 05:29:00 PM"
Sir, you'll need to go to Dallas or Los Angeles to find that technology. Which has been in use since the 90s. In Chicago as we approach the second decade of the Millennia we still HANDWRITE our case reports.
Debra Kirby is a complete idiot. Everyone in the legal field that deals with her is in agreement, esepecially Felony Review!
Anonymous said...
ODonnell is a good boss and not political at all. Make him the new Supt
12/16/2009 04:11:00 PM
Aunt Bea, Off our blog!!!!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
BC's husband EOD in a little hot water? Video footage going around with EOD talking crazy
12/15/2009 10:35:00 PM
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Anything to this? Ed O. seems like a nice guy. Maybe he was just M-F'ing Weis? In that case, GO ED!!!
12/16/2009 06:13:00 AM
You wish he Mother fucked Weis! He and his wife are at his house and out to dinner with Weis and crew once a month, minimum! They kiss each other's ass like you would not beleive! Aunt Bea knew who to be friend, and that was the SUpts. wife! Don't be a fool Jfed. Look into A.S. Cuello's history and find out how she made it to where she is. Also look and see how many times she was legitimately promoted, who put her in for Merit and what their affiliation was to her. This is all by design and you are just a ploy in her plan! The entire city was up for grabs when this fool was in charge, then you promote her to 3rd in Command, you deal with her gang banger loving daugter who's boyfriend was putting drugs and guns to kill us on the street, then you look over it? You know she was directly involved with that shit with Ruth Wedster and you overlook that too! She continually puts out bullshit and you overlook that also!
WTF
"those who can, do.
those who can't, bitch."
Its that why the Ultimate Tactical Warrior aka whinier always attacks the tact officers...
He can't do tact, was rejected, and in return he slams and ridicules the officers that want to do that lousy job.
I don't like tact officer bs, but I'm not going to unduly harass or ridicule them either.
The UTW gets in a funny jab once in a while, but by and large, his posts range from mildly amusing to mediocre. Despite his self promoting anonymous postings of how funny, he is.
I respect any officer that puts his or herself out there, especially for this current administration.
Maybe if UTW quit shopping on duty, and work a busy , non northside district ( 025 don't count) he'd have less time for making stupid posts and more time to do his job.
some seem to get into too many fights and/or are too quick to pull out the taser (I rue the day when I may have to review a taser death to determine if the use of force was justified).
NICE TRY ASSWHIP, GO TROLL ANOTHER WEB SITE MR/MS ASA.
This is why I say we need a FOP LAWYER at all police shootings !!!
Sooon very sooon one of those ATTORNEYS representing the citizens of crook county is gonna say " this shooting is not justified and send it to a grand jury !!!
Dude, you know you're picking a fight with a fictional character right? Probably safer for you since I heard the gangbangers used to collect and trade your teeth.
What do you contribute to the blog tact boy? Go back to bed with your Dugan blowup doll
Hey little UTW butt boy, if I'm fighting with a fictional character, what's it to you?
I think you and UTW was traded among gangbangers, and it was for more than teeth, if you get my drift.
Stay out of grown folks business, latte boy, before I send you home cryin to your mama.
I am retired after a long and good career. I just learned that recruits are required topurchase their own safety vests and helmuts. What a disgrace! Their is not another police department in the country that forces its recruits to purchase their uniforms and equipment like Chicago. What a cheap ass city when it comes to the workers, but a generous city when it comes to the connected politicians. I am sure the part-time alderpersons need an increase in their expense accounts and pensions.
Debra Kirby did not become a lawyer until May 1994. Why is that? Normally, lawyers take the oath in November...
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The bar exam is offered twice a year. If you take it in February, your swearing in ceremony is in May. I took it in Feb. because I took classes every summer to finish early. You could also do it in Feb. because you didn't finish on time, or because you failed it the first time.
A few months back in the 004th district , a hard working guy on his way to work with his wife in the car accidentally cuts off some guy in traffic while being unsure of his whereabouts.
Look up the victims sheet, he was "hard working" allright.
Can anyone tell me how long felony review has been around? I was looking at the order and it came out in 1999. Was it just updated in 99?
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Late 1970s or early 1980s. My first encounter with Felony Review was in 1982 and it was firmly established but relatively new.
scc,
was chatting with an ASA one day waiting for a trial to start. he was complaining about his job and stated that their TOP pay is $58,000 until they get promoted to a felony chair in a courtroom.
The new centralized FRU is a joke. They have people who don't even understand why certain crimes are a felony and you still wait for hours.
Once an ASA called me and said him and the others were out at breakfast and would call me when he was done!
12/17/2009 02:14:00 AM
Doesn't anybody read the fucking GOs anymore.
Do you know who is responsible for contacting felony review. THE WATCH COMMANDER!
Do you know that you could arrest someone for a felony UUW, a retail theft, a PSMV, or an Agg DUI and leave the paperwork at the desk. Do you know that if felony review was never contacted that IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT BECAUSE IT IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY!
If you have a late arrest, you do not have to wait for felony review. But, you would have to have the balls to tell the Desk Sgt. and WC that you are NOT going to do their job for them.
So, if you don't have the balls, then wait for the ASA to finish breakfast.
Also sad to say there's a generation of younger cops and prosecutors that have a different work ethic. Some are really into it but there are more and more 9-5 people these days. There are also a lot of supervisors who are still wet behind the ears themselves. It's not the old days.
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You are completely full of shit.
I was there in the old days. Today, police have to know more than they have ever had to before. The street cop is under more scrutiny, has more responsiblity, has more stress, and has more at stake in each and everything he does.
The "good old days" were good because nobody, and I mean nobody, gave a shit what you did. Even the "community" didn't care if you dropped a dope dealer off a building. You could make thousands of arrest and beat the hell out of each one or you could go home and sleep for 8 hours. Back then, doing nothing didn't mean you just answered your calls. Back then, doing nothing meant you weren't even at work.
And, by the way, the supervisors back then were just as clout dumb as they are today. The only difference was they wouldn't jam you up because most did worse on a regular basis.
This job is nothing like it was and it absolutely never will be. The world isn't the same as it was and things are never going back. Get used to it.
To the cops out there who are trying. This job is 100 times tougher than it ever was before. Do what you can, accept the limitations that society and the ASAs put on you, stay out of trouble, keep your body and mind healthy, and get out when your situation lets you.
God bless.
529pm AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Where have YOU been living? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
omg..the reply of 12/17 @0152am is the most responsible and heartbreaking job description anyone has made here..and shows that inspite of poor management and unjust(in many cases)promotions there are police officers who are on the job to truly protect and serve the people who need and not necessarily appreciate their sacrifice..and protect should come first that is the service that every officer pledges...god bless you all and i hope this holiday season brings you and your loved ones peace and safety..and health..
to the suburban prosecutor u make some ok points. But we dont "run radar" in Chicago and we dont carry tasers in patrol. So I assume when you talk about the coppers calling a speeder a dirtbag or tasing people too quickly then you arent talking about US!!!. Also I respect EVERY copper in every town, but quite frankly what we deal with in the ghetto areas of chicago doesnt compare to 99.9% of chicagoland suburbs. Its a completely different animal
A read a lot of whining in this post about offenders not being charged etc, etc. Years ago we would not even think about calling in an Agg Batt to P.O. unless the copper was treated at a hospital for an inury. In recent years that has not been the case. In fact the reverse is true. You guys who whine and bitch about the CCSAO are most likely the same guys who can't write a coherent report and cannot articulate the facts of the case in an intelligent manner.
Just like the CPD, the CCSAO has its share of dogs and incompetent fuck ups. But there are MANY ASAs who are dedicated to putting the scumbags in jail and genuinely appreciate the hard, difficult work we (The CPD) do.
As a detective I spend quite a bit of time at 26th and California. I've seen the "Ultimate Tact Warriors" getting prepped for thier BIG dope cases and for the most part I am unimpressed and often times embarrassed by the lack of knowledge they display and their inaiblity to understand their own fucking case-WHICH THEY WROTE!
You are your own worst enemy. Be professional, act professional, write a professional report and then you might be shown some respect. Instead of sitting in a jury room with the rest of the Ulitmate Tact Warriors acting like a bunch of immature frat boys, listen and learn about court proceedings, case law, and the laws of search and seizure.
Tell us more about Jfed trying to stop department members in going to police board and being witnesss for officers.
To all of you ....Step back and take a breath. As a detective who has worked and has dealt with the CCSAO on more occasions then I can remember. Here is the problem. It is the same problem that is affecting every part of today's work place. Its called Micro-Management. Just like a Sergeant is now handcuffed by the Commanders and Brass at 35th and Michigan. I see the same thing for the States Attorneys from Felony Review with the 3 goofs on the 14th floor of 26th and California. A Sergeant and a Felony Review Trial Sup. are just that, SUPERVISORS. But because of the Micro Management, they are unable to make a call on their own, or in many cases, AFRAID to make a call on their own. Due to the fact they are afraid they will not be backed by the big shots sitting behind a desk. Yes there are many goofs at the CCSAO, but there are many we work along side also in the department. Yes there is a problem but they are created by the morons sitting on the 5th floor at 35th and Michigan and the 14th Floor at 26th and California.
How do these Supervisors expect better workers when they dictate instead of lead and teach. They have bowed the political pressures instead of doing what is best for the city and county. The reason for that is mentioned every day on this blog and in the news. Good luck and be safe. Merry Christmas to all and God Bless.
Do not understand why more guys off-duty dont go to the board and just sit down and listen and support their fellow coppers.
Remember, them today, us tomorrow.
I haev gone and have seen what pathetic corp counsels there are who try to get a feathe rin their cap bu firing a Chicago Cop.
Thank God the hearing officers are generall y fair and do not let bs in as evidence..
Just a bit of background...
The whole idea of Felony Revue dates back to then States Attorney, Bernard Carey.
The idea was, as is now, to try the case on the phone and only approve dead-bang cases.
Then, at (re) election time they would tout their near perfect conviction rate.
Politics as usual.
Nothin' more to see here, move along.
Ol' vet, retired
TO: 12/16/2009 11:45:00 PM
FROM: A SUBURBAN COP
WELL PUT. IF THERE WERE MORE ASA'S LIKE YOU, THIS JOB WOULDN'T BE AS FRUSTRATING AS IT IS.
THANK YOU.
Was in felony prelim the other day and had to explain to the ASA why the charge was a felony. I thought ASA's were suppose to know the law?!?!?!?!
Ed O was MF'ing weisel and how he has torn the department to shreds. He just spoke the truth. No rampage just truth. The guy is a hero in my eyes. Somebody with balls in exempt rank. The first time I've seen a Christmas miracle. You go boss, I'd follow you to the gates of hell. He's a boss that's loyal to his troops. He's one of the few exempt cops left. If not the last.
TheNinthWard said...
"those who can, do.
those who can't, bitch."
Its that why the Ultimate Tactical Warrior aka whinier always attacks the tact officers...
He can't do tact, was rejected, and in return he slams and ridicules the officers that want to do that lousy job.
I don't like tact officer bs, but I'm not going to unduly harass or ridicule them either.
The UTW gets in a funny jab once in a while, but by and large, his posts range from mildly amusing to mediocre. Despite his self promoting anonymous postings of how funny, he is.
I respect any officer that puts his or herself out there, especially for this current administration.
Maybe if UTW quit shopping on duty, and work a busy , non northside district ( 025 don't count) he'd have less time for making stupid posts and more time to do his job.
12/17/2009 08:39:00 AM
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Hi NinthWarrior! For those of you unfamiliar with this goof, he for whatever reason likes to post comments bashing me because I made fun of his love affair with Dugan. I do my job all the time retard. I collect on the 1st and the 16th! Yeah, I tried out for tact but didn't make it. You really got my number pal. If you don't like what I post, then don't read it! "Ward" is a fitting new name for you though. You are a ward of Daley, Dugan, and all the other political hacks that want cops to be there bitches and work no matter what shit is shoveled on them. Take care loser.
Do you know who is responsible for contacting felony review. THE WATCH COMMANDER!
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From the order-----
The watch commander is responsible for ensuring that an assistant state’s attorney is promptly notified in the following instances:......
The catch word is ensuring, they are not responsible for doing it themselves. They will ensure it by making sure the arresting officer does it.
but quite frankly what we deal with in the ghetto areas of chicago doesnt compare to 99.9% of chicagoland suburbs. Its a completely different animal
12/17/2009 02:03:00 PM
You aint lyin Brother you aint lyin.
Ed O is the last of a dying breed. He is an officer first and backs his people. If a REAL PO was in a bind, they would want someone like OD on their side. Thanks for being true blue.
Sounds like someone has been stuck on da sout side or da west side too long and needs to get out. Dere's ghettos outside da city ya know like in parts of Evanston, North Chicago, Waukegan, Kenosha, Hammond, Calumet City, etc. Da.
because 99.99% of the jobs we respond to are complete bullshit but we have to go anyway because OEMC are a bunch of douches.
12/17/2009 01:22:00 AM
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You are a goof. The CPD is the sole author and sole owner of the current response model, not OEMC. The muckity-mucks over at CPD are the only entity that can alter, amend, change, correct, improve or modify the response model. OEMC does as CPD mandates and, if OEMC were to fail to follow the CPD mandates, CPD would throw OEMC under the train, as they have in the past, at the first hint of trouble as a result of a 911 call not being dispatched.
There is absolutely no upside for OEMC dispatch to go out on a limb and go rogue by altering the CPD mandates in order to make your tour of duty a little less busy or less complicated. None. Your beef is with YOUR department hierarchy, not OEMC. CPD tells OEMC what to dispatch and OEMC does it. Beef to your union or your big bosses, if you do not like it, but don't beef about OEMC.
Anonymous said...
but quite frankly what we deal with in the ghetto areas of chicago doesnt compare to 99.9% of chicagoland suburbs. Its a completely different animal
12/17/2009 02:03:00 PM
You aint lyin Brother you aint lyin.
12/17/2009 08:19:00 PM
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I second the motion.
Anonymous said...
stop with the BS!! We all know who is right and who is wrong here. We as the police lock up bad guys PERIOD. We dont go fucking the working man who is a stand up citizen. Its the ASAs that dont prosecute the way a case the way it should be. Dont blame it on how something is fucking written, stop playing law school genius and see a fucking shitbag for what he is. The problem with 95% of ASAs is that they arent from chicago originally and have no fuucking idea what its like. This isnt pofuckingdunk kentucky kids so understand that when we bring a case to you 99% of the time they are legit. If you choose to let a shitbag go on a lesser plea so you can simply get a conviction then so be it. But man up and be willing to take the heat. The cook county jail wasnt overcrowded for 15yrs because bad guys were turning themselves in or because the ASAs were locking guys up. The CPD put those mutts there, its the ASAs and judges jobs to keep them in there
12/16/2009 12:55:00 PM
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Ok I agree but did you ever consider the fact that:
A. Prisoners are being set free in Illinois because Quinn is basically saying we are cutting back on costs. Housing prisoners is expensive all around!
B. Politically this is passed on down to the "INN KEEPERS" or excuse me I mean Judges...this is done at all levels both preliminary and trial court judges.
C. Politically this is passed down to the Head ASA that passes it along to the Felony Review ASA's and it trickles down to all branch courts and the ASA's there. If you the low level ASA are aware of the budget of the state or the political agenda of the Head ASA or Chief Judge or Governor etc.etc. and want to "go somewhere" then you play that game too as "JUNIOR INN KEEPER" deciding that "we have no case" so to not overfill the prisons....
D. Just give everybody that deserves prison Bullshit probation or whatever to just get another conviction as a plea agreement...saving time and money..
YAWN...
Let Dude do as dude does
Stay safe!
You are a ward of Daley, Dugan, and all the other political hacks that want cops to be there bitches and work no matter what shit is shoveled on them. Take care loser.
To the Ultimate Wack Warrior...
"There" don't you mean their, o great and unfunny english major?
If you read my previous post, assuming you can read, you'd seen I've slammed Dugan, Daley and others. I call it like I see it, and you...just...ain't...that...funny.
Not a cop trying to understand the process from a different perspective. Thought cops had computers in their cars, why cant on the way to the station you voice command a report on the laptop and that can be handed it once you get to the station? Just curious.
12/16/2009 05:29:00 PM
Oh, hold on a minute...let me adjust my Dragon Naturally Speaking software headset as I'm driving to the station.
What a fucking jagoff.
You are a goof. The CPD is the sole author and sole owner of the current response model, not OEMC. The muckity-mucks over at CPD are the only entity that can alter, amend, change, correct, improve or modify the response model. OEMC does as CPD mandates and, if OEMC were to fail to follow the CPD mandates, CPD would throw OEMC under the train, as they have in the past, at the first hint of trouble as a result of a 911 call not being dispatched.
There is absolutely no upside for OEMC dispatch to go out on a limb and go rogue by altering the CPD mandates in order to make your tour of duty a little less busy or less complicated. None. Your beef is with YOUR department hierarchy, not OEMC. CPD tells OEMC what to dispatch and OEMC does it. Beef to your union or your big bosses, if you do not like it, but don't beef about OEMC.
12/18/2009 02:55:00 PMy BEEF is with OEMC Dispatchers that I can NOT UNDERSTAND<<<<<<<<<<<< with incomplete information being given out....... like the description of an armed offender........ the dispatchers and call takers sometimes and I mean sometimes do not have a clue. Some are very good but it only takes ONE TIME and somebody does nt go home
I will say that It was much better when there was a P.O.on the radio
What a fucking jagoff.
12/19/2009 03:37:00 AM
No, The uniformed or misinformed are not necessarily all JO's. Plus, you apparently did not catch the sarcasm. Lighten up girlfriend!
Once an ASA called me and said him and the others were out at breakfast and would call me when he was done!
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At least they were honest. I have no problem with that.
Maybe we should do the felony review thing like NYC does ...one states attorney for the whole thing.
In other words the ASA who "felony reviews" it would be the one who tries it in court.
One ASA ...not ten.
Maybe we should do the felony review thing like NYC does ...one states attorney for the whole thing.
In other words the ASA who "felony reviews" it would be the one who tries it in court.
One ASA ...not ten.
12/20/2009 01:21:00 AM
Maybe you are right. Although I can gurantee you that the judges won't go for it. Just take a look at how the judges react when an ASA from one of the special units comes into their courtroom after getting hung up by another judge. And just to be fair, watch how the special PD units get treated.
Then compare that to how the same judge treats a private defense attorney in the same position. How many times have you police had to sit and sit and sit and sit waiting for the private to show up, only to have him ask for a continuance?
Could work but won't work here.
Anonymous said...
Can anyone tell me how long felony review has been around? I was looking at the order and it came out in 1999. Was it just updated in 99?
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Late 1970s or early 1980s. My first encounter with Felony Review was in 1982 and it was firmly established but relatively new.
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I believe Joe Urso was the first chief of CCSAO felony review. He's been a judge since 1977.
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