Felony Review Oops?
Interesting comment in the "Spree Killer?" posting yesterday:
- Wait'll the entire scoop comes out about how CCSAO "nolle prossed" the Chicago case when it was sent to Branch 66. ASA/FRU, effin' useless, they are.
You heard me right. Nolle'd the spree killer's case. Thank God Will County, IL. was able to pick up the pieces.
Well thank goodness we have a Felony Review Unit. You want to know why Cook County courts are the laughing stock of the nation? It's not just the crooked judges. It's the politically connected incompetent lawyers, who at some point hope to become crooked judges. No offense to the crusaders who work tirelessly for legitimate crime victims, but you know you're few and far between, as are legitimate victims in Cook County.
By the way, the media is finally making the connections in the Saturday crime spree that left at least two dead and another in critical condition (Sun Times; BreakingNews). Let's see if they can track down who dropped the ball.
By the way, the media is finally making the connections in the Saturday crime spree that left at least two dead and another in critical condition (Sun Times; BreakingNews). Let's see if they can track down who dropped the ball.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
98 Comments:
if the Spree Killer was a copper they'd lock it up in record.
These incompetant boobs are useless
Let's see I just dropped hundreds of thousands on college and i take a job at felony review , making 40 grand a year . While my classmates took jobs making at least twice that elsewhere. So what type of attorney do you think you are getting when you call there
Oh Aniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiita! You're going to be a one-termer, you incompetent hack.
Fuck it. Let them run wild.
Most if us have figured out that it's just not worth it anymore. Waste of time locking these people up in the first place.
Free Cozzi why don't they?
This is absolutely true. It was a show down between A1 & felony review. A1 charged a spree murderer WITHOUT states attorney approval. The case was then nolled an hour later.
All day and I mean all day, the bosses from both placed called and fought on how to proceed. Included in the fight Anita Alvarez and J.P. Weis.
I watched a dick and sgt work 48 hours straight to get this charged while the war raged.I heard they were not in favor of this little battle becasue they knew the case was about to be approved before this all broke out.
This is just the begining of what figures to be a longer more bloody battle betwenn the dicks and FRU.
The guy that cleared the case also got the spree killer to give it up on video. Same guy handled the P.O. Valadez case.
Watching from RBT and laughing
branch 46-2 judge crothers, she has a corrupt agenda and rules 100% for defendants on bench trials regardless of evidence. we need to spread the word to put her on the FOP don't vote for list, so she can be jobless like her indicted relatives! (alderman crothers)
It's a shame the way we handle cases in shitcago. Just hope to God that one of your loved ones is never a victim of a crime in this joke of a city. so much is bown off just because no one wants to deal with some kid on the phone at felony review.
You have to love the CCSA office. they nolle prossed a case on me which resulted in me getting sued for false arrest. The CCSA of course are immune to such suits. I had probable cause, all I needed it for the CCSA to do their job and proceed to trial. In the interest of saving their precious resources they hung me out to dry.
I am waiting for the next CCSA to ask for a break when I stop them for DUI, see what happens then, one more CCSA out of work.
What ball did fru drop. There was no pending charge to nolle asshat. Check yor facts before you attack a whole office that finds your whining over every retail theft rection funny. Grow up, and be the real police bitch.
Car stolen last week in the burbs. Car and thief driving it nailed in the 2300 block of N. Leavitt. Owner responds to scene. Cook County felony review denies charges. Duh????
What ball did fru drop. There was no pending charge to nolle asshat. Check yor facts before you attack a whole office that finds your whining over every retail theft rection funny. Grow up, and be the real police bitch.
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Did you even see the Court Branch cited asshole?
Branch 66 - Domestic Court
That tells me, along with every other person with a brain reading this that there must have been some domestic violence issue in the near past.
Judging from the commentator's writing, there must have been an incident of violence, possibly involving a weapon, that the bottom-of-the-class lawyers over at Felony Review decided wasn't worth pursuing. The decision not to pursue a felony charge cost at least two people their lives and maybe a third.
So go back to laughing about the retail theft charges. I wonder how your fellow office mates are going to live with the fact they helped kill two people who deserved the protection of the courts. You may help Anita become a one-term State Attorney and you'll be writing wills for grandma from an on-line website for $14K a year.
Try being a real lawyer fuckhead.
When a Detective makes an arrest Felony Review keeps raising the bar for the Detective and his investigation before charges are approved. Bottom line, Felony Review wants a slam, duck, case. Throw probable cause out the window. Felony Review works against the police instead of with police. Unless the offender is a Police Officer.
Let's face it some nice people in the ASA's office but most would never make it in the private sector. They are rookie attorneys' who really dont know as much about the law as a PPO fresh out of the academy. Sorry but thats the truth. Next time you're in court look at the ASA and you will see exactly what i mean. It doesnt matter if your in juvenile court or at 26 & Cal. The only difference there is their time in the ASA's office. Very incompetent or they would be in the private sector.
Branch 66-Domestic Court? Are you kidding me. You sure you're a REAL DETECTIVE?
Thats fine let, the bottom-of-their-law school class, daddy got me a job working for the Cook County State's Attorneys office lawyers nolle pros every case we bring in front of them.
One of these days this killer will go out and kill a whole bunch more people because he was walking the street due to their incompetent decisions and huge egos of the CCSAO and the "felony review" unit. I have personally had to walk these "felony review" states attorneys through many sections of the ILCS and guide them through reading and interpretating various Illinois criminal statutes. Very rarely will they actually listen and charge criminals accordingly because their lawyer egos often take over.
Its too bad that all the taxes we pay in Cook County we have such a sub-par prosecutorial agency holding criminals accountable for crimes they have committed. I quit bothering a long time ago because it really isn't worth dealing with that office. Their only goal is to charge police with felonies the rest of the public who commit crimes "CHARGES DENIED."
Can't we all just getta long?
The JF Crew had to have been the stupidest coppers in the world. This is Cook County. Keep your mouth shut and you won't go to jail.
Anonymous said...
branch 46-2 judge crothers
related to the alderthug?
Was on the line w/FRU and while charges were approved the "Great Legal Eagle" assigned a court date which happened to fall on Sunday. After pointing this out the (clueless) legal wonder insisted that, "the date is always assigned 7 days later"!! WTF!! After checking w/ co genious changed it to appropriate monday date but c'mon.... And how is it that U can call on the same type of offense and have them ask for different crap everytime? "Do U have DL of witness?" - " Was victim standing on one leg, facing south, eating s PB&J sandwich and reciting the preamble to the constitution when it occured? No you say? DENIED!!" Lol..ok the last was slightly over the top...slightly.
Why is there a need to paint all of the ASA with a single paintbrush SCC? (i.e. "sorry to all of the crusaders out there but you are far to few") My sister, brother and brother in law are ASA and they work their tail off. They are not interested in obtaining "good numbers".
Don't stereotype. It is amazing that we cops love to stereotype but when someone does that to us, we lose it and cry on this message board about how unfair it is. No matter what profession, there are good ones and bad ones.
Anonymous said...
branch 46-2 judge crothers, she has a corrupt agenda and rules 100% for defendants on bench trials regardless of evidence. we need to spread the word to put her on the FOP don't vote for list, so she can be jobless like her indicted relatives! (alderman crothers)
12/14/2009 01:32:00 AM
Same Judge use to be Larry Hoover's Lawyer some years back. Besides her entire family has ties to corruption, so why not side with the scum.
Car stolen last week in the burbs. Car and thief driving it nailed in the 2300 block of N. Leavitt. Owner responds to scene. Cook County felony review denies charges. Duh????
12/14/2009 08:41:00 AM
Because it wasn't caught on video, witnessed by a Rabbi, Priest and off duty federal judge. Plus bad guy didn't give a ten page hand written statement. Oh yea, ASA wanted DNA and prints recovered from vehicle, compared and positive to bad guy within 24 hrs.
SCC
In total agreement with most of this statement
It's the politically connected incompetent lawyers, who at some point hope to become crooked judges. No offense to the crusaders who work tirelessly for legitimate crime victims, but you know you're few and far between, as are legitimate victims in Cook County.
Except for the last phrase. If there are few legitimate victims in Cook County, then why do we need more cops? What do you consider a "legitimate" victim? Were the crack whores killed by that South Side serial killer less worthy of the protection of the state than victims who weren't themselves criminals? I know cops spend a lot of time dealing with criminal-on-criminal violence (and subsequent lack of cooperation from freakin' victims), but once we start sorting victims into worthy/unworthy categories, then we're screwed as a society (or more screwed than we are now).
who shot him in the club? Was it off duty P.O.? we don't have consealed carry in illinois, what happened to him?
"Let's see I just dropped hundreds of thousands on college and i take a job at felony review , making 40 grand a year . While my classmates took jobs making at least twice that elsewhere. So what type of attorney do you think you are getting when you call there"
I think we established that with the reports of clouted kids being accepted to UofI in exchange for finding jobs for clouted (and stupid) law grads.
There is no law that states that we have to have a felony review unit. Old timers will tell you that years ago all you had to convince was a dick and you were on your way to Br-44. Felony review started in around 1974-75 by then States Attorney Bernard Carey another EX-FBI agent.
Did you even see the Court Branch cited asshole?
Branch 66 - Domestic Court
That tells me, along with every other person with a brain reading this that there must have been some domestic violence issue in the near past.
Judging from the commentator's writing, there must have been an incident of violence, possibly involving a weapon, that the bottom-of-the-class lawyers over at Felony Review decided wasn't worth pursuing. The decision not to pursue a felony charge cost at least two people their lives and maybe a third.
So go back to laughing about the retail theft charges. I wonder how your fellow office mates are going to live with the fact they helped kill two people who deserved the protection of the courts. You may help Anita become a one-term State Attorney and you'll be writing wills for grandma from an on-line website for $14K a year.
Try being a real lawyer fuckhead.
12/14/2009 09:12:00 AM
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Um, big dick....branch 66 is violence court, not domestic court.
thought that branch 66 was murder and sex crime PC court? by the grand jury?
Did you even see the Court Branch cited asshole?
Branch 66 - Domestic Court
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Branch 66 in not Domestic Court.
Branch 60, 61, 62 & 63 are.
What ball did fru drop. There was no pending charge to nolle asshat. Check yor facts before you attack a whole office that finds your whining over every retail theft rection funny. Grow up, and be the real police bitch.
--Who is Felony Review to dictate the law? The laws are written. Nothing saying there has to be video surveillance; confession; admission of every f*in crime in order to approve the felony that the law says they deserve Punk Ass.
this happens hundreds of times EVERYDAY!!! Sure most arent serial killers that get set free, but MANY have had multiple violent arrests. Stop blaming the police and direct your attention to the REAL PROBLEM. CORRUPT JUDGES AND STATES ATTORNEYS
I take issue with the title of this post. "Felony Review Oops?" which implies that the nolle was unintentional or accidental, when in fact it was neither. The dicks, working under the ridiculous "48 hour time constraint" built a solid chargeable case, with multiple statements from circumstantial witnesses, ballistic evidence and motive. They requested charges, which were denied, because Felony Review wants to control all aspects of the investigation (without incurring any of the liability).
The sgt. was aware of a dept. General Order, that in fact, under very specific circumstances, allows for charging, even homicide, without felony review approval. A/1's case met these specific circumstances. The W/C in the district of detention agreed that the case met this criteria and having some balls, agreed to charge, in compliance with an existing dept. General Order. Felony Review got their nose all bent out of shape and threatened to nolle the case if the police charged it on their own. And in the most extreme case of self-serving, egomanical, arrogance ever, that is exactly what they did! To prove a point to the lowly police, they "technically" released a dangerous, dangerous killer loose on the citizenry of this city, because the politics of Crook County gives them a power base. Remember, keep voting democratic! To every policeman in this city, if you ever give a break to another ASA in the course of your employment, you are an idiot. They turned a killer loose on your city in some misguided belief that they are more important and smarter than you!
What ball did fru drop. There was no pending charge to nolle asshat. Check yor facts before you attack a whole office that finds your whining over every retail theft rection funny. Grow up, and be the real police bitch.
12/14/2009 07:30:00 AM
You want to know why police whine about not getting upgrades in felony review for theft? Because the person has a background for 30+ thefts and not once has been charged with a felony or convicted. Don't blame us for not doing our job properly, that's your fault.
Just like when you, your comrades and judges drop the ball in court with violent offenders. Only to let them out again so they can commit even more heinous crimes.
By the way, how much did you spend for college? 100k at least? Did you ever happen to invest in a English class?
I know how I sleep at night, I just don't know how you sleep at night.
It's about time Felony Review gets scrutinized for their careless tactics. CPD needs to tighten the reins on how much power FRU gets in deciding whats gets a felony charge and what doesn't. There has never been any consistency and the silly never ending requests they put the Detective Division through just to C.I. a case at the end. The assistants are useless, they need to call a supervisor on every decision.
Off Topic:
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/evidence-disputed-in-judges-dui-case.html
Question, what are they challenging? Can't someone charged with DUI be made to submit to blood work without consent? It would be a DUI kit, right?
There needs to be a change with the deputies in charge of Felony Review! Every area in the city has had run-ins with these two miserable women. The ASA’s that come out on jobs are terrified of them and are afraid to make even the smallest decisions without consulting them 20 times.
branch 46-2 judge crothers, she has a corrupt agenda and rules 100% for defendants on bench trials regardless of evidence. we need to spread the word to put her on the FOP don't vote for list, so she can be jobless like her indicted relatives! (alderman crothers)
12/14/2009 01:32:00 AM
Anita Rivkin Carouthers WAS THE GD ATTY. before she became a judge! If you are a GD and can pay she would rep you! How was she allowed to be a judge is the real question!
For the poster that is waiting for the next ASA to get stopped while driving under the influence,wait no longer. On 17 DEC 09 at Schinicks Pub at 38th and Union there is a Christmas Party hosted by an ASA for ASA's. Happy hunting Deering.
Did you even see the Court Branch cited asshole?
Branch 66 - Domestic Court
Not for nothing but Branch 66 is NOT Domestic Court.
Great post call out those useless pieces of crap.
One of the best moments I've witnessed was when our WC yelled at a felony review ASA in the station, "what's it going to take to get someone charged with a gun - a state's attorney getting stuck up?"
Branch 66 - Domestic Court
Branch 66 is in 26th and cal and is used for felonies,i.e murder, agg batt, uuw, pcs, etc. it is a probable cause court. Just to let you know.
To every policeman in this city, if you ever give a break to another ASA in the course of your employment, you are an idiot.
Truer words were never spoken. Believe me, these political hacks will turn against a policeman in a second. I've been a witness to that many times during my 20 years in the Detective Division.
I will never, ever give a break to an Assistant State's Attorney. I will treat them just like they treat us. And believe you me, I can put a case together that even Cook County can successfully prosecute.
Felony Review is and always has been the best friend that a thief or a murderer could possibly have.
They are the second highest contributors to the homicide rate, behind gangbangers.
They also rank as equals of the FEEBS as copper's enemies.
I had a case where a baby was killed by moms boyfriend. Guy was only one in the house, claims baby fell off couch. Doc's said injuries were non-accidental...SA's released guy without charging!
A friend of mine called me for advice on a dui. After our conversation, he innocently asked "Why did my lawyer say $5,000 for him and $2,000 for the judge. Is that the court costs?" My mouth dropped.
There needs to be a change with the deputies in charge of Felony Review! Every area in the city has had run-ins with these two miserable women. The ASA’s that come out on jobs are terrified of them and are afraid to make even the smallest decisions without consulting them 20 times.
Amen!!!!! Anonymous (scared) ASA
When are we Police going to learn.
When you're dealing with these goofs at Felony Review, unless they're holding the smoking gun in their hand, charges won't be approved.
When they have to make a decision on their own, they shake like leaf, fearing making any waves.
These goofs couldn't find cheese in Wisconsin.
If they had anything on the ball, do you think they would have been working there at Cook County Felony Review, which most people find a minor step above being a greeter at Walmart.
No disrespect to greeters at Walmart.
I agree with poster 12/14/2009 01:36:00 PM; however, this GO was rescinded.
Almost everytime I'm on this blog I cringe a little. To all you genius -meathead- coppers who are all knowing, believe half what you see, and nothing what you hear! There is more to the story. As far as your complaints for upgrades...who gives a fuck? Do you get paid by upgrades? By arrests?- a p.o.
I dealt with this years ago...."Felony charges REJECTED per ASA Alvarez". Fuckin' Demo-rat Political Hack.....Felony Review-What a joke
Anonymous said...
One of the best moments I've witnessed was when our WC yelled at a felony review ASA in the station, "what's it going to take to get someone charged with a gun - a state's attorney getting stuck up?"
12/14/2009 03:18:00 PM
Good one! In the days when it was not against the law to smoke inside of government buildings, I witnessed a now-deceased ADS with huge, huge balls re-relate a very convincing case to a Felony Review Nervous Nellie ASA, after being told that Felony Review was not approving charges, and the ASA still declined to approve. The ADS, may he rest in peace, then related he, the ADS, would approve the charges and dismissed the ASA, telling him he was no longer needed. As he was being schooled by the ADS, the ASA's hand was visibly shaking as he put a cigarette up to his mouth and between his lips to take a puff. Without so much as a word, the ASA quickly slithered away and left the building. Once out the door, he and his partner beat feet like their pants were on fire. It is one of those days I will never forget and I am very happy to have been a witness. That was a good day. A very good day.
Chill out, guys. There are useless and next to useless ASA's just as there are useless and next to useless cops and supervisors.
I've also seen some very bright, competent people trying to do a good job and we never give them credit, just shit like here. That's also wrong. We're on the same team.
To the poster who asked what happened to probable cause, that's the minimum standard for an arrest and a charge (and the ASA's probable cause standard is, by law, higher). PC doesn't win cases. What sense is it for an ASA to issue an unwinnable case?
OTOH, to deny a good case is dog shit, too. If you get a chance to sit through an entire trial you get a better idea of what the ASAs are faced with and what they have to prove. They should dump the dogs but when they piss on the silver platter, that's a different story.
Corrupt Judges.. come on now that can't be... thats almost as bad as saying Da Mayor is corrupt...
W/C 3rd watch 023 loves to go over felony reviews head. Cross your T's and dot your I's and he'e all over them. Like him or not he does it.
Bottom line, Felony Review wants a slam, duck, case. Throw probable cause out the window. Felony Review works against the police instead of with police. Unless the offender is a Police Officer.
Because most CCSA's are inept and do not know how to go to trial.
I heard there is going to be a very high level meeting between the CCSAO and CPD later in the week to make nice nice. I guess there are some very hurt feelins on both sides. Expect even more problems with felony review after this. This could get ugly after when this is over.
Original poster here. FRU was who my beef was with. Most 1st and 2nd chairs are actually very competent and quite good. The problem exists in actually getting your case to 26th Street.
These ghetto cases are being judged with the "Homer Glen" eye. . . no coincidence there.
Lastly, the ASA on call that night took well over 2 hours to arrive to A1VC. Not acceptable.
Anonymous said...
To every policeman in this city, if you ever give a break to another ASA in the course of your employment, you are an idiot.
Truer words were never spoken. Believe me, these political hacks will turn against a policeman in a second. I've been a witness to that many times during my 20 years in the Detective Division.
I will never, ever give a break to an Assistant State's Attorney. I will treat them just like they treat us. And believe you me, I can put a case together that even Cook County can successfully prosecute.
12/14/2009 04:14:00 PM
If you're any kind of detective you have to know that there are some ASA's who want to put the bad guys away just as much as we do. They also bend over backwards for the likes of us lowly P.O.'s. They are not all political hacks.
Felony Review Unit is part of a larger problem. Ever since the people of Cook County elected Anita Alverez, she has made a mad dash to consolidate divisions of the office. Consolidation of divisions under the tight control of management at 26th and California is perhaps good for management at 26th and California. It does nothing to further the interests of the people of Cook County in general or the victims of crime in specific. One of the stated goals of our office is to serve the “community as a whole.” Consolidation is counterproductive to this goal. How does moving management farther away from the neighborhoods (to a central office far away) help better serve victims of crime in those neighborhoods? Formerly the Domestic Violence and Felony Review units, for example, were located in or near the very same neighborhoods they served (In the Districts). The Assistant State’s Attorneys lived and worked in those communities close to the victims. As members of those respective communities, the ASA had intimate knowledge of them. This permitted the ASA to more efficiently accesses available services and work with other like-minded entities such as POLICE, fire, and the medical communities whom the ASA likely knows (after all these people are her neighbor. Now, with consolidation, the ASA making important decisions on behalf of victims may be from an entirely different area or even a different town. The office is throwing away the built-in efficiencies and advantages of having ASA’s whom live and work in the communities they serve. Not every community is the same. Not every victim is the same. Now detectives have to work with totally different ASA's every couple of months. This does not allow for ASA's and detectives to develop long lasting and positive relationships. Anita! Think!
ASA: Sleepless in the Suburbs
Still, though. . . not as big as the fumble of JW letting the cat out of the bag (pun) about that 12 y.o. being raped.
JW, please, oh please, I beg of you, can we at least keep one item in that case confidential from the media/public? Oops, too late, nevermind.
Thanks dick.
Branch 66 - Domestic Court
That tells me, along with every other person with a brain reading this that there must have been some domestic violence issue in the near past.
Judging from the commentator's writing, there must have been an incident of violence, possibly involving a weapon, that the bottom-of-the-class lawyers over at Felony Review decided wasn't worth pursuing. The decision not to pursue a felony charge cost at least two people their lives and maybe a third.
So go back to laughing about the retail theft charges. I wonder how your fellow office mates are going to live with the fact they helped kill two people who deserved the protection of the courts. You may help Anita become a one-term State Attorney and you'll be writing wills for grandma from an on-line website for $14K a year.
Try being a real lawyer fuckhead.
12/14/2009 09:12:00 AM
Wow, funny how you are making fun of this person when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about either Einstien. Branch 66 IS NOT domestic violence court you dumbass. in fact if you've ever been to 26th you'd know it's the first courtroom you come to past the metal detectors which is the courtroom for homicide, sex and gang crimes. Learn first then speak second sir.
Branch 66- Homicide/sex
Political Agenda's............
The ASA's in Illinois that is what they are about!
They all worry about the JUDGES in their room and STROKING them with hopes of going somewhere politically....what a CROCK!
The problem with Cook County is the Criminal Justice System (ASA's, Judges, etc....) and how THEY want to interpret the Law!
Illinois..
The Land of Lawsuits
http://us.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2009/12/14/holmes.teen.violence.cnn
To the unpublished naif:
We never said "corrupt ASAs." We said, "politically connected incompetent lawyers, who at some point hope to become crooked judges."
And if you think there isn't money being passed around every single day, you're blind. Greylord and Gambat barely scratched the surface.
You know its bad out there when we break bad on everyone including ASAs.
Whe I made Detective back in 2003 Darren O'Brien made a presentation to our class. He told us that Probable cause did not matter, they would only charge if they could win the case. This has held true to this day. The ASAs look for a way not to charge. What we do wrong is charge the Offender with a Misd when charges are rejected. Anyone who has charges rejected should be released W/O charging. Screw these ASAs. Let them explain why they wouldnt charge. I know they will blame us but my paper is always in order.
If you're any kind of detective you have to know that there are some ASA's who want to put the bad guys away just as much as we do. They also bend over backwards for the likes of us lowly P.O.'s. They are not all political hacks.
They are ALL POLITICAL HACKS. They all had to be sponsored to get the job of ASA in Cook County. Find me an ASA who won't ask "How High?" when Anita screams "Jump."
OT
Chicago police shooting verdict is overturned
Illinois appellate judges have overturned a $12.5 million verdict from a lawsuit against the Chicago Police Department, ruling that jurors were told too often that Officer Alvin Weems acted with "willful and wanton conduct"
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/12/chicago-police-shooting-verdict-is-overturned.html
As far as your complaints for upgrades...who gives a fuck? Do you get paid by upgrades? By arrests?- a p.o.
Well p.o., several of us properly charge a case because it is the right thing to do by everyone involved, not because of pay. I always have and always will try to do the right thing, regardless of the roadblocks at Felony Review. If I'm not successful, oh well, at least I tried. And there's always an override if something is really important. Believe it or not, we have gotten findings of guilty at trial on cases that were rejected by Felony Review.
I also used to believe they were on the good guys side, but boys and girls listen well. Unless the ASA is a life long friend, family, or an "F" buddy they will hang you out like a pair shorts. And not think twice about it.
There are a few that I've come to know and respect, but they are usually of the older school and fading fast.
Between the useless incompetents in the branch courts and FRU I'd say it's a close race to the Special Olympics, no offense to any retards reading this.
The Absolute worst would have to be BELMONT and WESTERN, and I don't go there regularly. Just step in and watch Deboni scold these third graders it is comical.
Anita hire some balls, cut the clout babies, and let the Police do their job, or they will all take you down with them.
Love it when I get Cook County Felony Review ASA'S out and they tell me that they live in DuPage County where it's safe. One of the main reasons crime runs rampant in Chicago is the Cook County State's Attorney's Office. Why don't they have to live here and be victimized like the rest of us?????
Felony Review wants a slam, duck, case.
12/14/2009 09:34:00 AM
I remember when Jordan won the slam duck contest at the NBA All-Star Game. Ahhhhhhh.....memories.....
Branch 66 is Domestic Court? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Another genius sounds off paragraph after paragraph. Did I not know what I was talking about? Just ignore that.
Did you even see the Court Branch cited asshole?
Branch 66 - Domestic Court
Ummmm....who is an asshole?
worried about asa?
LETS GO DOWN THE LIST SINCE WE ARE ALL SAINTS.
OFFICER INSTRUCTS VICTIM TO GET A SUMMONS FOR DOMESTIC. OFFENDER ON SCENE AND THEN RIGHT IT IN THE CASE REPORT. OFFENDER WALKS FREE.
COMMANDER RELEASING CLOUT PERSON FROM LOCK UP AFTER CALLS MADE FROM ALDERMAN.
COMMANDER RELEASING LT'S SON WHO IS A BANGERS ON DOPE CHARGES.
DICKS WITH MULTIPLE CLEAR UP HELPING THE VICTIMS TO NOT WANT TO GO 2 COURT!
WATCH COMMANDER SENDING OFFICERS HOME ON FELONY CASES BECAUSE HE WANTS TO SAVE MONEY ON OVER TIME.
CORP COUNCIL NOT FINING ANYONE FOR ORDINANCES WASTING EVERYONE TIME.
ASA DROPPING CASES IN A MATTER OF SECONDS BECAUSE THE VICTIM NOT IN COURT! YEA THEY SEND A LETTER?
JUDGES THROWING OUT DOPE CASES BECAUSE OFFICERS USE THE SAME NARRATIVES ALL THE TIME.
WATCH COMMANDERS LETTING EVERYONE OUT OF LOCK UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE FOR NO REASON. (MY KIDS R GROUNDED LONGER)
GOVERNOR CUTTING PEOPLE LOOSE TO SAVE CASH.
SUMMONS OFFICERS WHO GIVES OUT 2 SUMMONS A MONTH...YEA ITS A CLOUT SPOT.
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ASA WHO TELLS THE DOPEY HOES WHO GET THERE ASS BEAT THAT ITS A HE SAID SHE SAID.
(UNTIL ITS UR DAUGHTER?)
SO TAKE A CHILL THE SYSTEM SUCK.
HELL WE HAVE A SUPE THAT IS DESTROYING THIS DEPARTMENT FASTER THAN ANYONE THOUGHT POSSIBLE.
it is time for a revolution
14/2009 05:10:00 PM
Anonymous said...
I agree with poster 12/14/2009 01:36:00 PM; however, this GO was rescinded.
12/14/2009 05:25:00 PM
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NOT! When the shit-storm started, Kirby (in a valiant effort to side with the CCSAO, instead of siding with the police, where she is the chief counsel to the Superintendent) tried to claim that the GO had been rescinded, but could not verify that with any other SO, GO or DN. The GO, at the time, WAS, AND STILL IS CURRENT, but I bet it's rescinded by the end of the week!
"W/C 3rd watch 023 loves to go over felony reviews head. Cross your T's and dot your I's and he'e all over them. Like him or not he does it."
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Your right. If you write a decent/complete case report... he will back you up and go over Felony Reviews head. It's funny when he runs circles around the ASA.
Chill out, guys. There are useless and next to useless ASA's just as there are useless and next to useless cops and supervisors.
I've also seen some very bright, competent people trying to do a good job and we never give them credit, just shit like here. That's also wrong. We're on the same team.
To the poster who asked what happened to probable cause, that's the minimum standard for an arrest and a charge (and the ASA's probable cause standard is, by law, higher). PC doesn't win cases. What sense is it for an ASA to issue an unwinnable case?
OTOH, to deny a good case is dog shit, too. If you get a chance to sit through an entire trial you get a better idea of what the ASAs are faced with and what they have to prove. They should dump the dogs but when they piss on the silver platter, that's a different story.
12/14/2009 06:12:00 PM
The ASA standard of probable cause is by law higher???????????????????
let me give you a hint guy. If you don't know what the fuck your talking about just shut the fuck up. You will sound less stupid and people will like you more.
Do U have DL of witness?" - " Was victim standing on one leg, facing south, eating s PB&J sandwich and reciting the preamble to the constitution when it occured? No you say? DENIED!!" Lol..ok the last was slightly over the top...slightly.
12/14/2009 10:31:00 AM
now that is some funny shit...
Wow, funny how you are making fun of this person when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about either Einstien. Branch 66 IS NOT domestic violence court you dumbass. in fact if you've ever been to 26th you'd know it's the first courtroom you come to past the metal detectors which is the courtroom for homicide, sex and gang crimes. Learn first then speak second sir.
12/14/2009 08:38:00 PM
JACK DOWN, ASA ASSHAT, GO GET THE PRESIDING JUDGE ANOTHER CUP A COFFEE & SOME SMOKES IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG COURT CALL, KAPEESH??
20 years ago when I was a dick, it was different. The ASA's were awesome - they listened (well, not all of them, but a majority). They would approve shakey cases because they understood the jagoff would sit in Cook Co. unable to hurt anyone for a couple months before trial. They also would tell you straight when a case stunk. You could actually call in a case for review, tell them it stunk but a boss was over your shoulder and they would give you the courtesy of a "phone" review where they would officially reject it and give their name. Imagine that!!! They even knew your name and reputation, which served as a great incentive to do better. Now you can't get a name from them on an advise call. What happened? Lads, it pains me to admit this, but I actually tipped back a few with them. They were hilarious, awesomely sarcastic guys. They were not the pretentious all-knowing assholes of today. As one previous post pointed out - now they have to run every goddam decision thru the chain of command, they have no respect for the limitations of the department - they do not suffer the same restraints as we do (48 hr rule, what 48 hour rule? That's your problem). They hold all the cards and an unbalanced relationship is never healthy. There needs to be a realignment of the power balance. Just as all of us are not the brilliant balls of investigative fire we think we are, neither are we always the liars and abusive thugs they think we are. I applaud those ASA's that try, but just like us they suffer under the lash of an incompetent overseer. You can't attract go-getting fire-in-the-belly talent with limited pay, and micromanaging bosses, even in a recession.
My fervent prayer is that now that the spotlight has shifted to them, our bosses find a pair and start advocating for US. It will make it better for the citizens and the city if we can go back and work AS A TEAM on the SAME SIDE.
I've had felony review tell me, "I know what the charge reads and that's the charge but no matter what you tell me I am not charging him". Screw those useless jags!
Has anyone ever had a case that was an override by an ADS actually go anywhere? Usually gets dumped by ASA in court sort of an FU right back at department for having the gall to go around them...Seriously though has anyone had a case go based on override?
when in area 5 a few years back, when charges were denied by the FRU because the new ASA tried the case over the phone w/you, I'd make sure everything was in writing and explain on paper why the ASA denied the charges. I would then tell the victim that the offender will not be charged and explain why. I'd also give them the name of the ASA who denied the charages, the supervisor's name and phone number to the FRU and throw in a deputy's name over there. Many times I would have to go re-arrest the jag because charges were then later miraculously approved. The victims have to know the game and speak out.
The shit storm continues. Very high level arguments about who is the blame, how the paper should be written and whose hear will roll. Seems like Debbier Kirby might have a problem. She did take the side of the CCSAO over the CPD. Right now alot of bossess are fingers pointing at each other hoping to have a chair when the music stops.
More to follow
The JF Crew had to have been the stupidest coppers in the world. This is Cook County. Keep your mouth shut and you won't go to jail.
12/14/2009 10:14:00 AM
Your the idiot!! He and his crew did a great job. Had it not been for the bosses on both sides the case would have been charged sooner and without problem. It only finally got charged because of him and his "crew" and hard work. Quit talking about things you know nothing about, it only shows your stupidity!!
FRU automatically shit cans any case we overide. It is pointless and that is exactly how they want it. My take on it was we were wrong for charging the case. They were equally wrong for having it nolled. The damage done to the case by the nolle remains to be seen but surely some damage was done no matter what Jim Byrne says. Period. Somebody is going to make a killing on the motions in this case.
I've been on both side of the fence, prosecutor and cop, and it's not unusual for cops to bitch about prosecutors and prosecutors to bitch about cops. Been there, done that and if you don't like what I say, I could give a rat's ass because you're not likely to find someone with more expertise.
If you do your job well, put together a good case and it's denied, then you should be pissed. So should the victim. But don't pass off the blame for shitty police work or an inability to get to home plate on the prosecutor.
Let's take that in reverse order. Sometimes there are cases where the cops have done all they can and it's not going to get better. It's like rounding second base but not likely to make it past third. It really sucks to deny those cases because seldom is that the result of bad work. It just is what it is. (And sometimes things can happen in the future that will improve a case, so never say never.)
Then there's shoddy work. Cutting corners. Crappy statements. Illegal stops and searches that are likely to get tossed. I just saw one of those cases today: no ID of the perps. The car was ID'd but not the occupants. And the victim was never identified by name but just the "store manager." The address of the citizen witness was missing. Need I go on?
I shot the case back and those officers are busy tonight trying to do what they should have done last night. If I dump a case, you *will* know why. It makes no sense to just deny without explaining why the case is deficient. And I don't want to hear, "You were a cop. You know what it's like." Tell me that and you're likely to hear, "Yeah, and I never turned in a piece of shit like this."
OK...now I've vented about shoddy work...but a lot of stuff today is complicated and we can't expect every cop to know what to do on the spot. There are times when it helps to call or sit down and triage a case. Sometimes I see guys do more work that necessary in one area but overlook the basics. No sense overworking.
I'm only an expert in my own story and I have seen people be lazy or overwhelmed or just have a bad day. If you think a case was wrongly denied, then ask why. In all fairness you deserve a straight answer (and so does the victim). You might not like the answer but at least you should get one. And if you disagree and can back up your bitching with evidence, then follow up.
And another thought. Come down and sit through a trial sometime or, when you have a case, ask to.
If you want to bitch, go for it and go fuck yourself to. But make sure your own house (or case) is in order before you go tossing stones.
The last line of the arrest report on a case denied by Felony Review should read:
Felony charges denied by ASA Schmuck ... No tape/No admission/Keys in vehicle/Non-Serious Injury/Lost Sight of offender... whatever their reason is. Fax them a copy of your completed arrest report. When the offender repeats his crimes, it will be traced back to THEM!
I didn't know Det. Schmuck has a releative who is an ASA!
0707, thank you for your story, however, I beg to differ. While some coppers try to make something out of nothing, the CCSAO has always made new law or policy. Under Alvarez, this has gotten worse. Felony Review is a joke. So I am happy your sticking up for your click, but were you the one who wokred in the Academy while you went to law school????????? Or maybe some other nice spot. Because most coppers don't leave here to go to the CCSAO unless they are political hacks.
I read 0707 as saying that if you think a case was improperly nolled, follow up on it and the person who made the call should have to justify it. Fair enough. More guys should have the stones to do that.
Seriously though has anyone had a case go based on override?
12/15/2009 10:14:00 AM
Seriously YES I have!! Seriously
"I think we established that with the reports of clouted kids being accepted to UofI in exchange for finding jobs for clouted (and stupid) law grads."
Sorry, but how do you think admissions works at EVERY SINGLE UNIVERSITY. there isn't a single university in the US that doesn't make it easier for people with connections that can bring a school money or prestige.
Hey Beavis, uhhhh. . . . .
I think he meant the JF crew that was from 153 and is now in MCC. . .
. uhhhh, not the JF crew from 610.
dumbass!
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