Question on the Double Standard
How is it possible to be an active police commander with an active Order of Protection against you? Isn't that some violation of State Law concerning the surrender of firearms? Can someone from Callback let us know about that? Because we're pretty sure there are a few dozen people down there under the same sort of Court restrictions who are wondering the same thing we are.
There's an open CR. There's a case report. There's an Order filed - an e-mailer claims that the victim was removed from his regular duties today so as not to violate his own Protective Order.
Things that make you go "Hmmmm?"
There's an open CR. There's a case report. There's an Order filed - an e-mailer claims that the victim was removed from his regular duties today so as not to violate his own Protective Order.
Things that make you go "Hmmmm?"
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
181 Comments:
Once the OOP is there, IF there is in fact an OOP. W weapons restriction is standard unless waived by the judge. Being as this is, from what I understand, a "telephone harassment case" I doubt such OOP even exists. I think this whole thing is pretty much bull shit. Its an argument where one side gets the story out first to the front page, leaving the other side for a page 10 answer.
Not sure though, just guessing
The judge will order the weapon if a police officer.
trying sleep here. 1P
An order of protection doesn't necessarily mean there is a firearm restriction.
An order of protection DOES mean that a CR is initiated and OPS investigates the allegations.
If there is no firearm restriction, the member continues to work. I've only seen members stripped if they were charged criminally.
If there is a firearm restriction, the member is in a no-pay status until (if) it is lifted. Usually that means going to call-back until the CR is finished....assuming it doesn't warrant being fired.
According to the reminder posted repeatedly in the Daily Bulletin, a victim cannot violate their own order of protection. So why was he moved?
"Isn't that some violation of State Law concerning the surrender of firearms?"
YES
don't know about an order, but..if there is one, does it involve possession/surrender of a firearm? As far as moving "the victim", don't they normally "move" the offender in a domestic beef?
If there is an active order of protection, she has to give up her weapons. Enough said. If not the city and police department are opening themselves up for HUGE civil case. How about this commander, who i dont know, be subject to a a "Fitness for duty evaluation"? Blood , urine, and psychological exams. If it was a P.O. that's exactly what would be happening.
Go to CHRIS and pull up GOCR RD# HS-203166.
The victim didn't show up in 011 today to do his daily mail pickup, and that had us wondering what kind of shit they were maybe trying to pull with him.
It's nice to see the clouted get their comeuppance. But time will tell if Henny Penny's reverend network of noisemaking fools will go to bat for her dumb ass. If she lands on her feet after this mess, it will forever reinforce the statement that "clout rules" on the CPD.
This couldn't have happened to a more deserving useless piece of shit - kind of like karma coming back around to make amends for the stupid stunts Penny's pulled in the short time she's been the D.C. Like ordering an E.T. to document bathroom stalls because someone called her on wanting all black officers working the desk. Or throwing a fit about homemade ornaments hanging on the district Xmas tree. Or bragging that Eric Washington was dumped because she would be the one to make a difference in 011's morale and crime statistics. The list is virtually endless in the short time she's been at the helm.
Anyway, enjoy what should be your demise, Penny. You WON'T be missed by anyone here other than your useless pawns in the front office.
Dear Sirs,
If you are charged with Domestic Battery / VOP; as a condition of your bond (Usually) you are required not to carry a firearm. This puts you in a no pay status. Your weapon is not surrendered, at least not in my case (Domestic Battery). An active Order of Protection does not preclude you from carrying a firearm. It is simply a judicial order, with no restrictions, unless there is a special remedy attached. If the VOP is violated an arrest is mandatory by general orders. An arrest on a Domestic Battery is not mandatory.
If you are a blue shirt and you get sent down to callnback, get a locker. You are looking at 2-3 years wasting away taking reports for lost wallets, and nonsense.
Hope this clarifies the issue.
BTW dont look for help from the FOP. They are about as useful as tits on a boar hog. That includes GB
No need to worry ,Anita will bury the whole thing in time for him to be promoted to ADS. Count on it.
This is just one more example of the two-tier system of discipline on the Chicago Police Department.
1. Those who have CLOUT are not subject to discipline or the CPD Rules & Regulations.
2. Those without CLOUT, "the UNCLOUTED" lose their jobs, take heavy time for nonsense, are made Behavior Alerts, Personal Concerns, psyched, stripped and placed in ARPS, demoted, dumped, involuntarily transferred and so on.
The Chicago Corruption Machine protects its own.
The city where CLOUT counts.
DUMP DALEY!
bye bye penny......try to read the case report if you can. its fuckin hilarious, almost spot up my coffee in the squad car whie reading it.
With the order of protection, it is up to the Judge to decide who gets to keep their gun. AND I am sure there would be no influence from city hall that would make a judge sway towards the City's girl...Ha Ha Wink WInk
THe funny thing is at the last CAR meeting Jfed and his crew were kissing Penny's ass...They gave her huge kudos for recognizing that the MSF commander and his analyst discovered a crime pattern in her district. You would think she solved the robberies when in reality she didn't even know they were happening.
If Penny is a named offender and there is a CR # and an order of protection then she must be sent to call back. Anyone else would've been stripped and working callback already. Will she too benefit from the Aunt Bea treatment?
JFraud how low will you let this department sink?
bring back eric washington.....
Can someone post the CR#?
This would make excellent media.
OPEN BARF BAG PLEASE.....
Do tell, do tell!
Pretty soon more names will start flying. There is a much bigger scandal developing and the powers to be are ignoring it.
Th Law states that he or she would have to give their firearms, UNLESS given permission from the Judge that issued the order to keep them.
How can anyone take this job for real anymore?
Pretty sure there are two types. One that allows you to keep and carry a firearm and one that doesn't. maybe one is civil and the other is criminal. Or judges discretion.
All orders of protection are not created equal. It is not mandatory that guns be confiscated or restricted; that is up to the judge.
And, if the judge DOES order the gun pulled, the subject of the order has the right to go into court and asked for it to be amended, so they can carry their gun for work.
It used to be that guns were automatically restricted and a lot of police and security people were getting hit for their guns, then weren't able to work, and often it turned out the claims against them (in order to get the O.P.) were falsified intentionally to very deliberately force the person out of their employment.
Why was the victim punished? If there's a valid OP, the named offender should be removed from the equation so the victim's normal life isn't affected. He should continue on in his normal assignment. Maybe SHE should not.
Aren't we supposed to be in the business of protecting the VICTIM, not the offender?
Not only is she on tape, she called him FIFTEEN TIMES that day. He played the voice mails for IAD. Who does she think she is, Guerrero?
3/15/2010 11:58:00 PM
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Hey, at least Guerrero is cute.
"Flagrant two-tier discipline standards are insidious and noxious. Covert two-tier discipline standards are even more so!
If this was a nobody blue-shirt, this shit would be splashed like puppy diarrhea all over the place. The local media would run with this on short-shanks order like a freshly turned crack whore with her first piece of "foldin' money."
Shit...
There would be a hundred fuckin' airplanes in the air with those stupid ass banners trailing behind them... 'COP MAKES THREATENING PHONE CALLS TO EX, MAYOR & SUPERINTENDENT VOW IMMEDIATE TERMINATION... ALDERMEN CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS! COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS MARCH ON CITY HALL BECAUSE THEY CAN! JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CONSIDERING ADDITIONAL CHARGES! WHO KNOWS & WHO CARES? FUCK ME? NO, FUCK YOU! NEWS AT10:00!'"
Don't question the brass. They're clearly smarter than we are.
"The media doesn't control the truth, they just have control over what truth you hear."
WILL J-FED TO DO TO THE COMMANDER WHAT HE DID TO COZZI?
Only on the bullshit CPD With BS Leaders!! Wait for the coming Summer Crime Wave minus over 500 POs who retire after the contract is settled and pays out
"The Question Of The Week"
Umm, why is a sworn, armed police officer delivering the mail in the first place??? wtf!!!
I don't watch the news much anymore, I read the sports page of the Trib and glance through the local news. After seeing this, I tried to find anything in the online news services and didn't see a thing. I would think these snakes we call reporters would have picked this up right away, but apparently not. I guess shortshanks has got these fuckers in his pockets too!
(14.5) Prohibition of firearm possession.
(a) Prohibition of firearm possession. When a complaint is made under a request for an order of protection, that the respondent has threatened or is likely to use firearms illegally against the petitioner, the court shall examine on oath the petitioner, and any witnesses who may be produced. If the court is satisfied that there is any danger of the illegal use of firearms, and the respondent is present in court, it shall issue an order that any firearms in the possession of the respondent, except as provided in subsection (b), be turned over to the local law enforcement agency for safekeeping. If the court is satisfied that there is any danger of the illegal use of firearms, and the respondent is present in court, it shall issue an order that the respondent's Firearm Owner's Identification Card be turned over to the local law enforcement agency for safekeeping. If the court is satisfied that there is any danger of the illegal use of firearms, and if the respondent is not present in court, the court shall issue a warrant for seizure of the respondent's Firearm Owner's Identification Card and any firearm in the possession of the respondent, except as provided in subsection (b), be turned over to the local law enforcement agency for safekeeping. The period of safekeeping shall be for a stated period of time not to exceed 2 years. The firearm or firearms shall be returned to the respondent at the end of the stated period or at expiration of the order of protection, whichever is sooner.
(b) If the respondent is a peace officer as defined in Section 2-13 of the Criminal Code of 1961 [720 ILCS 5/2-13], the court shall order that any firearms used by the respondent in the performance of his or her duties as a peace officer be surrendered to the chief law enforcement executive of the agency in which the respondent is employed, who shall retain the firearms for safekeeping for the stated period not to exceed 2 years as set forth in the court order.
(c) Upon expiration of the period of safekeeping, if the firearms or Firearm Owner's Identification Card cannot be returned to respondent because respondent cannot be located, fails to respond to requests to retrieve the firearms, or is not lawfully eligible to possess a firearm, upon petition from the local law enforcement agency, the court may order the local law enforcement agency to destroy the firearms, use the firearms for training purposes, or for any other application as deemed appropriate by the local law enforcement agency; or that the firearms be turned over to a third party who is lawfully eligible to possess firearms, and who does not reside with respondent.
725 ILCS 5/112A-14
Order of Protection from Illinois Code of Criminal Procedure
The provision isn't automatic but has to be requested by Petitioner but it's one of the basic remedies that are usually asked for.
HMMMMMMM,
I'm looking forward to seeing the details of this "event".
As long as the judge waives the issue surrounding the weapon, and does not issue a restriction for work especially, you can still carry your weapon and work. We have at least 8 P.O.'s and 3 Sergeants with a similar issue. I can go to court and get a Civil Order of Protection with no case report, just on my word, and my wife could have not done a thing. With the right story, I could put Speilberg to shame!
OT if FOP has to flex on pension reform, they must protect current employees with a two tier program that only affects new hires. I'd we have to give up pension for a 401k for new hires, we better trade it for no residency for all police.
"The Question Of The Week"
Umm, why is a sworn, armed police officer delivering the mail in the first place??? wtf!!!
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He's part of the CPD courier service, meaning he drops of the interdepartmental mail and picks up the mail at districts. He also transports inventoried evidence of crimes. Having a gun might be handy.
Hey SCC,
You want the entire narrative from the Case Report? It makes for some gripping reading.
I think maybe many of us are missing a finer point. Regardless of the threats of force by the CO (have you seen her?) it is my understanding that she is is on tape threatening to mess with his job. So here you have the commander of a district, a position that wields quite a bit of power, threatening a blue shirt with whatever underhandedness they might think of. How cany any boss let a supervisor, who has knowingly threatened to abuse her station, remain in place? What message are they sending us? Think long and hard about that. In my mind the abuse of power is as bad as it gets, because the powerless have no recourse.
OT: If new hires are in a different pension plan , who will pay for us older , soon to be retired officers?
Face it Penny, he's just not that into you honey.
---not a cop
Hey warriors, "We've got your back."
Yea to put a knife in it.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
It's time to step up and Cozzi this commander.
Oh leave her alone. Just another woman trying to survive in this male dominated world and you guys have nothing better to do than nit-pick. Get alife!
Hell hath no fury like an (armed) woman scorned."
COMMANDER KUP (008) GETTING HIS BAGS READY
TO GO CLEAN HOUSE IN 011!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND HE'S TAKING 1 CAPT AND 1 LT. AS HIS BACK
UP SO WHILE HE'S GETTING YELLED AT BY THE
REVS, THE CAPT N LT CAN STEER THE SHIP !!!!
GOOD LUCK!!!!
Again if anybody does shit on this job anymore they must be out of their fucking minds. Summer is coming, just sit back and watch all the death investigations. bawahhhhhahahahahah jody is hillbilly toast.
The mere fact that there exists a double standard of discipline within the Chicago Police Department is proof of the failure of the leadership of the organization.
Have we not all heard within the CPD the refrain that "rank has it's privilege?" This is usually spoken with disdain and scorn. What is means on the CPD is that those of high rank get to do what they want. They get to flout the rules, the very same rules they are charged to enforce over those of lesser rank.
While rank has privilege, rank is meaningless if it is not steeped in responsibility:
Responsibility to those of lesser rank.
Responsibility in every way to ensure the very best of treatment for those of lower rank.
Ultimately those who exercise high rank will ask those of lesser rank to make sacrifices. And those of high rank surely will not succeed if those of lower rank have only been used, and not responsibly led.
The real test of leadership is not in conquering the enemy’s weakness.
The real test of leadership is conquering your own weaknesses in pursuit of the welfare of those whom you would choose to lead
It is not necessary to develop emotional attachments to those whom you choose to lead. It is necessary to develop their level of support to the state where they know that their needs come first; that their needs are more important than the leader’s comfort or his ego.
The balance between ego and duty is always the final determinant of the greatness of a leader. Too often the balance is heavily weighted with ambition.
“Ambition is the last refuge of failure.“
There have been a few good leaders on this police department. There are not now any that I know of. If there were, misdeeds of those of high rank would not be topics of ridicule on these pages because they would be dealt with swiftly and those of high rank who abuse their position would no longer hold such rank.
Our superintendent failed as a leader when he chose to exercise his power to punish one of us of much lesser rank who had already been punished.
Rather than train and teach our superintendent chose to imprison. Everything he tries to accomplish after that is an exercise in futility because he has already failed.
What now? Stay safe and take care of each other and pray that somehow good leadership will arrive soon.
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(portions borrowed from those who have learned these lessons and wrote about them before I came along)
off topic: Ok Hoffman lovers I looked it up, so can you. Hoffman is anti-2nd Amendment, he is for a single payer healthcare system (socailist) he is Al Gore like on the global warming myth. He is for cap and trade and horrible on immigration. Is he better than short shanks yes, only because he dosent have a machine behind him. But he is a sissy, if he did ever get elected the alderman would make him their bitch. All info from his own senate web page.
This is another nail in the coffin of the most fucked-up administration we've ever worked under.
this will all go away shortly. The PO will be made sgt, drop the charges, and penny will continue her dictatorship. Just one piece of advice officer, get the stripes then drop the charges.
Penny will be stripped today and reassigned.
Take it to the bank
Wow, As another poster stated. How do you take anything serious anymore?
A judge can give a special order to allow an OFFICER to use his weapon for employment purposes. I have seen this done in domestic battery cases in Chicago.
Leave Penny alone! Then you may kiss my ring!
Da King Mayo
Wow! Scc you report we decide! As usual your ace reporting is exposing more thruth! Maybe SCC someone could post the narrative,and hey news media maybe youy could do a "story" on this high ranking overpaid bullshit how about it? zekamn,yellin,goudie,suntime main,tribune anyone?anyone?
"You want the entire narrative from the Case Report? It makes for some gripping reading."
3/16/2010 05:45:00 AM
Yes, post it.
We can handle the truth!
Hope this clarifies the issue.
BTW dont look for help from the FOP. They are about as useful as tits on a boar hog. That includes GB
3/16/2010 12:33:00 AM
What? Are you suggesting that our dues should pay for your domestic? GFY, douchebag! I'm with GB on this one.
OT if FOP has to flex on pension reform, they must protect current employees with a two tier program that only affects new hires. I'd we have to give up pension for a 401k for new hires, we better trade it for no residency for all police.
3/16/2010 05:17:00 AM
Perfect. The system is broke and will collapse upon itself if not fixed, but you think we can leverage the disaster and somehow get residency out of it? Are you fucking kidding? You probably think you are getting a 6% raise like the aldermen.
rod blagoyevich was the individual responsible for passing this law and it includes peace officers--- if you are arrested then you will be stripped and not be able to carry you firearm--- if the judge does not write a special condition onto your bond waiving the gun restriction then you will be placed into a no pay status until the judge writes it or the case is adjudicated--- if you are stripped you keep your guns locked up but if it is a domestic issue you have to surrender your weapons--- when judge orders weapons returned you will need a valid foi card to retrieve weapons from erps per general order.... if you are just a named offender in a case report it is up to the ccsa whether or not you will be charged and does not automatically mean that you will be placed on restricted duty(stripped)....
Like a Democratic Judge, in the City of Chicago, with a Democratic Machine Running the Town, with a Fed and his puppets running the Police Dept. will ask for the surrender of the weapon or be in trouble. Lets jump on it Jody?? Or do you just screw over the Probation people and Patrol Officers.
I am tired of this two-tier discipline process that ends as a cover-up for the white shirts/exempts.
Granted, I've seen more sergeants taking hits lately then ever before, but most of the time if you are wearing a white shirt and you break a department regulation or commit a crime, you walk with nothing more than a slap on the wrist.
One day there will be a civil action because of this and hopefully it will result in a big payout to the blue shirt who is unfairly disciplined or lose his/her job because of this double standard.
Finally, what is going on with the media that they don't jump on these stories? Oh, that is right, THEY HAVE DOUBLE STANDARDS, TOO! I guess they can't report on the same people they share a bed with.
Please post the narrative, we all need a good laugh and it may set precedent for any peon blueshirt caught up in the same bs if she isn't stripped and callbacked.
The victim cannot violate an Order of Protection.
"The Question Of The Week"
Umm, why is a sworn, armed police officer delivering the mail in the first place??? wtf!!!
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He's part of the CPD courier service, meaning he drops of the interdepartmental mail and picks up the mail at districts. He also transports inventoried evidence of crimes. Having a gun might be handy.
It's a chain of evidence(custody) issue. It was dealt with years ago and the decision was that a sworn officer must pick-up/deliver, inventoried drugs, money, guns, etc.
The Chicago Suntimes webpage is having a poll (front page) on Mayor Daley's performance rating. All City workers should spend a second or two voting. Give him the "F" he's giving us. So far he's failing miserably. Lots of disgruntled people out there. The stuttering shortshanks end is near.
Special people get special treatment.
GOCR RD# HS-203-166
Some of us that read this Second City Cop blog have been retired for a few years before Weis took over and are not familiar with who Henny Penny is.
I for one would appreciate it if those in the know can just say the full name, There seems to be no problem saying "Dump Daley," or "Weis and Masters" so say the name.
Us retirees would appreciate it.
Thanks.........
The "Fourth Estate" is in foreclosure !
Bankrupt, due to political censorship
and journalistic ineptitude.
"Weise receives official censure for failure to take proper police action"...would have made a nice intro story $$$
Wasn't Cozzi one of his examples of zero tolerance? The victim still sits in JAIL for nothing!
Pick up the vibrations media whores.
the evil political elite are protected in Crookago, by the ultra-corrupt Crook County-Crookago Government Cabal, of liars, thieves, and hypocrites.
Anonymous said...
How can anyone take this job for real anymore?
3/16/2010 01:00:00 AM
Exactly! we have too many strokes on this job that think this shit is for real...It's a freaking game. Learn how to play it.
Maybe there should be a review and some common sence in the use of OOPs. Sometimes they are used as weapons of revenge be jilted spouses. Work the street long enough and go to enough D-Ds you will see it.
THIS IS WHY THE DEPT NEEDS TO CHANGE THE MERIT SYSTEM FOR SGT ON UP FOR MERIT PROMOTION!IF U WANT THE BEST OFFICERS FOR LEADERSHIP U NEED TO START WITH HOW MANY ARRESTS -QUALITY FELONY ARRESTS-THE OFFICER HAS MADE IN HIS OR HER CAREER ,AND THE NUMBER OF C/R NUMBERS THE OFFICER HAS RECEIVED!ALSO LOOK AT SPARS AND OFF DUTY INCIDENTS!!YOU ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT COMPLEMENTARY HISTORY AND AN OFFICERS OUTSIDE EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION!IF YOU CAN FIND OFFICERS LIKE THAT IN A FAST DIST LIKE 7,11OR 15 U GOT A WINNER!!LETS FACE IT IF U MAKE 300 FELONY ARRESTS AND ONLY GET A FEW C/R NUMBERS THEY R DOIN SOMETHING RIGHT AND SHOULD BE ON A SHORT LIST OF FUTURE SGTS,LT ETC..CANDIDATES!!THAT IS HOW TO FIND QUALITY FUTURE LEADERS!!
regardless of the DISLIKE for the person involved, we NEED to remember that the person is part of our department. We need to keep the "dirty laundry" within our house. Personal matters of anyone should be kept personal. We don't need to open windows for those sharks outside, who will erode the declining morale of our department. Airing "dirty laundry" is NEVER the right thing to do.
Everything mentioned on this thread has been swept under that huge mound in the rug at 35th.
If the leaders in this dept want any credibility, they should start treating the brass the same way they treat the underlings when it comes to CR's, investigations, stripping, etc. If anyone from callback is being held hostage for the same crime, ie. domestic beefs with OOP, they should be screaming discrimination. I would get me a good lawyer who knows the system and sue the s*it out of this leadership and city.
If there is a firearm restriction, the member is in a no-pay status until (if) it is lifted. Usually that means going to call-back until the CR is finished....assuming it doesn't warrant being fired.
3/16/2010 12:18:00 AM
Clarification: without the lawful ability to carry a firearm you are detailed to 376 (ARP) status: restricted duty (civilian dress- no police powers/auth).
Been there ; done that.
Note: In my 30 years, I have never seen any rank higher than Lieutenant detailed there (triggs).
Where's the case report? Inquiring minds want to know.
An earthquake has hit Fillmore! There have been reported aftershocks at 35th.
Aren't we supposed to be in the business of protecting the VICTIM, not the offender?
3/16/2010 01:22:00 AM
not in chicago! here it depends on who you are.
Anonymous said...
"The Question Of The Week"
Umm, why is a sworn, armed police officer delivering the mail in the first place??? wtf!!!
3/16/2010 03:05:00 AM
because they empty the safe of narcotics and guns. but i must admit; you need clout for that position. easy assignment. short days. week ends off.
THIS should be front page news. . . . . if it wasn't someone exempt from the rules the rest of us have to follow
There have been plenty of stories that make the front page when only half the story is got, and those are the stories that make the blue shirts look bad. it's about time the other half (the gold stars) see what it is like.
Anonymous said...
Not only is she on tape, she called him FIFTEEN TIMES that day. He played the voice mails for IAD. Who does she think she is, Guerrero?
3/15/2010 11:58:00 PM
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Hey, at least Guerrero is cute.
3/16/2010 01:24:00 AM
You're kidding, right?
What double standard?
Happy ST. Patrick's Day
Masters dancing
http://bit.ly/a2qncf
Hey Jfed
http://bit.ly/9wM3sF
Anonymous said...
Seems Henny Penny got dumped by her PO BF and is not a happy camper. Seems she left several not so nice messages on her X-BF's voice mail letting him know how unhappy and displeased she was about being dumped and how she would make his life miserable on CPD.
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I suppose that when you make an investment of a french vacation you expect a little more than loyalty. LoL
3/16/2010 07:05:00 PM
Why would she be sent to call back? She is an exempt, and we know exempts are the best and brightest. Exempts are the smartest people the department has to offer, just ask them.
It sounds like a case of being jilted. Who in their right mind would refuse the advances of a CPD exempt. People far and wide hope for the affection of an exempt.
Curious... I know a few who've done the missing wallet reports at callback as a blue shirt. But... when SGTs and Exempts go to callback do they still approve the reports and watch hulu?
Masters, Weis, Daley, Brust, O'Keefe
http://bit.ly/b15Vjg
Weis and Skahill
http://bit.ly/bKawMQ
Daley in Prison
http://bit.ly/bB58sf
Yes Penny, the rules are for the other Police Officer not yourself. Still unbelievable how you took your baby to court on a regular basis until the Court Sgt. called your office and complained.How about coming to work everyday and usually leaving early. Rules never counted for you. Let's hope IAD investigates you wih Professionalism and unbias as I am sure you would do those under your command.
SCC takes on Weis
http://bit.ly/b5EO4h
Date night with
Weis and Masters
http://bit.ly/dlri1f
What happened? Details please!
Does the word "CAD" mean anything to you?
OT if FOP has to flex on pension reform, they must protect current employees with a two tier program that only affects new hires. I'd we have to give up pension for a 401k for new hires, we better trade it for no residency for all police.
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Relax. It isn't going to happen. We aren't giving in to a two -tiered system. Residency is state law. Non-negotiable. Both issues are a non-starter. Your pension is constitutionally guaranteed. As long as this state is called "Illinois" you have your pension rights. relax.
Maybe she trade places with MT or RW
"The Question Of The Week"
Umm, why is a sworn, armed police officer delivering the mail in the first place??? wtf!!!
3/16/2010 03:05:00 AM
Only sworn and armed Police Officers can pick up Narcotics, Money, Jewelry and Firearms!
That's why you flunked the Sergeants test, eh!
TSK TSK
IF THE OFFICERS DUTIES WERE CHANGED THEN THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT.
PENNY SHOULD BE PSYCHED VERY SOON ALSO.
DONT 4 GET THE BLOOD AND PEE TEST.
AND WHY IS IAD HANDLING IT!
EVERY OTHER DOMESTIC USUALLY GOES TO THE AREAS.
THE MAILMAN BETTER BEWARE THE J-FEDS CABAL WILL TWIST HIS WORD ON HIS REPORTS TO MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE A JAG-OFF.
DONT TALK TO IAD! JUST SIGN THE COMPLAINT AND GET THE ORDER OF PROTECTION. DONT HAND OVER TAPES THEY WILL LOSE THEM.
HIGHER A LAWYER QUICKLY AND TELL IAD THEY CAN TALK 2 UR MOUTHPIECE.
AND QUIT TRYING TO HOOK UP WITH THE FEMALES AT WORK HANDSOME I KNOW U LIKE WEARING YOUR HAT AT WORK BUT COME ON!
whwhwwhwhwhwhwwaaaaaaaaaa, its a double standard whaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaa.. yeah there is a double standard.. always has, always will be. Who cares. dont get in the situation to begin with and you wont have to worry about it. I could care less what the hell happens to the bosses weather they get in trouble like us, act like us, shit like us or what ever. Its all about blue to me. Keep you nose clean and you wont have to worry about a damn thing. quit crying about double standards. this is the chicago police department... quit trying to turn it into some democracy that treats everyone equal... will never, ever happen...
Did Penny give the victim a direct order to answer the phone? Do it now!!!!!!!
If new hires or new hires and current police officers go on a 401 K type pension, the fund will dry up and the last ones in will get nothing. If this happens, how about the legislators and board members and chicago alderman who have the best pensions in the state for part time jobs? Are they going to lose their pensions?
She was striped today
I think our pension is governed by the state. Its not a contractual issue. All other industries like pilots, teachers, etc when they have a two tier pay scale, always start with new hirees, not people that were in the old pension. Lets hope it stays that way. Also when reading about the pension shortfalls and the recommendation from committees, they recommended that all new hirees would start a new pension system, not changing anything for the people already in the pension
Well, Miss Money Penny was at work today, business as usual AND with her weapon. Wow, what double standards there are on this job!!! So, nothing is going to happen to her???!!!
"...the sky's a'fallin', the sky's a fallin'..." - Henny-Penny
Not really, Penelope Jones-Trahanas. This too shall pass. Hold off on the Prozac, Xanax and psychotherapy.
It's just a bunch of vicious malcontents attempting to slander your reputation as da REAL muthafuckin' PO-leese. Granted, you're not Mensa material. Still, no one, even a jilted moron, would be that stupid to convey death threats on tape and text messages. Say it ain't so, Penny.
They may say that you are an "insufferable, obnoxious arrogant bitch without a clue." Ignore it. It's just the mean-spirited drivel of your disgruntled subordinates. They wouldn't recognize great leadership if it bit 'em in the ass.
No way! Certainly, in his infinite wisdom, da WEISel would never appoint an abject imbecile to take command of all places--bloody 011. I have the fondest memories of working for my best boss ever during the most tumultous times in CPD history. Fillmo' was ground zero. I suspect that you're cut from the same bolt of cloth as the late and legendary George Sims.
There's two, perhaps even three sides to this sordid story. In all fairness, do speak up. Let me quell your pain through this ordeal.
I phoned you at 011 this morning to invite you to join us at a wine and cheese tasting in a Lincoln Park penthouse this weekend. Your secretary said that you were not available. I gave Judy my phone number. I'm still waiting for you to return my call or tweet me for details.
The tasting will feature a superb selection of pinot noir and cabernet sauvignon from Napa. Hors d'oeuvres will include Brie, Camembert and foie gras with white truffles.
I know you will find comfort in the dusty sounds of Motown night: the Tops, the Temps and Smokey ("Tracks of My Tears", "Tears of a Clown", et al.) Just the right ambience to commiserate with a couple of other starstruck guests: Silly Lillie and Senora Sherlock. Remember. You are NOT the laughingstock of the CPD. Da WEISel's got a lock on that.
Since you're not an oenophile, I've even got your back. Check in with Shaniqua or LaKeisha over at Rothschild Liquors at Madison and Whip-It. They're holding a case of 40 ounce malt liquor for you. Lady's choice: Magnum, Cobra, Olde English or Colt 45. It's gratis on me, sugarbutt.
If fromage is not your thing. No problem. A long time ago, a lady on Wilcox St. gave me her secret recipe for Velveeta-muscatel dip. Goes great with Flamin' Hots. Just for you, cupcake.
You've got to go low profile 'til the storm has passed, Penny. You need a sinecure gig. Perhaps da WEISel can annoint you as deputy chief of the mailroom.
In the worst case scenario, if your clouted revs wanna bring a busload of protestors over to Fort Fellatio to march in your defense, check out the vacant lot across Whip-It from Rothschild. There's a few dozen who'll make the trip just for a few loose squares. Mentholated, of course.
Oh. One other thing. No more booty calls for "the Mailman".
REMEMBER HAYMAKERGATE!
FREE COZZI!
There will be no pension by 2022. Hope everyone invests their retro check wisely.
off topic: Ok Hoffman lovers I looked it up, so can you. Hoffman is anti-2nd Amendment, he is for a single payer healthcare system (socailist) he is Al Gore like on the global warming myth. He is for cap and trade and horrible on immigration. Is he better than short shanks yes, only because he dosent have a machine behind him. But he is a sissy, if he did ever get elected the alderman would make him their bitch. All info from his own senate web page.
Thank you and AMEN! I've been saying this all along. He's a leftist like the other dummy-crats. Oh, I'm sorry - I meant progressive.
"An earthquake has hit Fillmore! There have been reported aftershocks at 35th.
3/16/2010 12:13:00 PM"
What's going on at Fillmore, do tell us.
Anonymous said...
She was striped today
3/16/2010 04:39:00 PM
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No, that was the parking lot.
Your magnum opus, Northside. You are brutal. You also owe me a dry keyboard.
Don't vote Dummycrat!... they are commies in disguise.
Where's the case report? You can't tell me dozens aren't floating around in 011.
3/16
11:46am
Yeah sounds good but when I like, many others fell victim to a psycho bitch on this job nobody stopped all the bullshit talk or the lies in the media or within the department. As a matter of fact old Penny was part of the rumor mill against me and did the "sisterhood" thing with the psycho. So I say screw Penny and screw those on this job who use bullshit domestic beefs and orders of protection to go after other cops. I'm glad it is coming out and maybe for once the powers that be will realize how wrong some of the treatment we the simple po's with no clout receive. Like I said before KARMA is a bitch Penny just let me know where to send the sympathy card.
That's what is nice about this job. If you stay around long enough you'll see unqualified assholes like this especially those who have spent their careers fucking us over get what they deserve.
She was striped today
Like a Zebra or a Tiger?
Learn how to spell!
ROFLMAO. NORTHSIDE IS ON A ROLL.
promote her
Residency isn't a state law it is a city rule. The state law states that citys with populations over 1 million can make own ordiance via home rule. Pension is guaranteed but the constitution can be amended if the city state convince 60% of voters that it needs to be changed. You really think taxpayers would rather pay higher taxes or vote to change pension rules.
Was she stripped today?????
Nothing will happen to Penny. The phone stuff is inadmissible because of eves dropping laws in state. You don't automatically go to call back when if there is an order of protection against, even if you don't have clout, depends on circumstances. Judge can decide not to take your gun. Ernie Brown has experience in this type of thing so he is probably being consulted.
The problem is not any of the above, but the fact that as an exempt member she should be an example. Plus, isn't she violating a rule by bringing disrepute to the Department. A real boss would resign their gold star for the good of the Department. But being she is not a real boss.....
I would say Northside was exceptionally eruidite today. Very entertaining after a shitty day at work.
---not a cop
He went POSTAL on her!
they pinched guerrero why not her.
FOX Chicago reports: A Cadillac Escalade belonging to Ald. Carrie M. Austin (34th) was impounded after her grandson, who was driving it, was pulled over and cited for driving without a license early Monday in the Roseland neighborhood.
Nice job, and what are they going to do to you, kick you out of 5?
Hey Northside! Can I stop by for some cheese? I can use my Emily Post around your well-to-do friends and will excite and infuriate them with my "Cop" stories." I will bring my own wine though from Trader Joe's.
"A judge can give a special order to allow an OFFICER to use his weapon for employment purposes. I have seen this done in domestic battery cases in Chicago."
a judge can say whatever he wants, unless he completely lifts a gun restriction, you are not going back to work, even at call back, call legal affairs if you think I'm wrong, rules and regs say unrestricted ability to carry to remain on the payroll
Pension is "constitutionally" guaranteed?
You must be confused. It is Illinois, all you need is some political hack court rule otherwise and the politicians are home free. I know you cannot be serious in actually thinking it is legit in Illinois
From one who has gone down this road before.
NO matter what, the guns are to be surrendered. If there is an order of protection in place, per IAD they take your weapons. They physically come to your house and remove all weapons you have. You are put on a "no pay" status until the order of protection is heard by the court.
When the order of protection is heard and the person is exonerated in court your weapons can then be picked up at ERPS....... After you give a statement to IAD
Secondly, this person can go to ANY court in ANY state and again and again and again and try to get the same order of protection. Everytime, IAD finds out about another order of protection the next day, the officer is then stripped AGAIN, no pay status.......
In my case, my nutty ex husband got one on me in Cook County, they retrieved my weapons, I was cleared through the court and then had to give a statement at IAD where they found a ruling of unsustained. When that happened, he then went to an Indiana Court and got the same ex parte order against me, which took me a month to get a court hearing. The Order of Protection said that I WAS NOT BRADY DISQUALIFIED, meaning I COULD carry my weapon...... IAD STILL STRIPPED me and took my guns for a second time on a no pay status.
So this is all bullshit. Been there done that, and have the court documents to prove it.
IAD RULES state if you have an order of protection you are stripped. PERIOD!
Clout rules on this one obviously!!!
WHATS GOOD FOR US IS NOT GOOD FOR THEM.................
Upon my crime scene investigation it is determend Daley is putting the city at great risk with this leadership.
J-FED does not have the balls to do the right thing. all he does is wipe his lips and thanks short shanks for the $300,000.
3/16/10 05:21:00 PM
WE must say sir, the cut of your jib is MOST formidable! Your soliloquy is truly a study of satire and your turn of apt analogies are worthy of being archived for posterity.
LAUGHED OUR MUTHAFUCKIN' ASSES OFF!
And damn near spilled the very last of our precious W.L. Weller bourbon! That sir, is borderline sacrilege and alcohol abuse in the truest sense!
(Bourbon! The drink of American Men, heroes and patriots. None for you boss-holes and feebs. Champale aka "the drink of queens" is more to your liking! Or do you prefer something classic like Bali Hai pineapple wine as a chaser for all the jag-off juice you fools are ingesting at fort fellatio? Stop that shit! It's peeling your minds!)
Rock on Northside!
two taps on the westcide doorbell to ya!
TWEET ME, HENNY PENNY.
If anyone is before the police board with a recommendation for termination for a rule 14 violation, they should supeona Ruth's famous CR and enter that as case law. Hey look J-Fool, no termination anymore for violating Rule 14. Thanks.
That's why you flunked the Sergeants test, eh!
3/16/2010 02:42:00 PM
Yeah hey dere, what part of Canada are you from, eh?
NorthSide said...
"...the sky's a'fallin', the sky's a fallin'..."
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I thought it was "the sky is cryin'"?
Anonymous said...
Did Penny give the victim a direct order to answer the phone? Do it now!!!!!!!
3/16/2010 03:52:00 PM
What is "answer the phone" a euphemism for?
Johnny Northside. You are ridiculous!
LMAO
Don't you all be messin'with Penny, she be known as "The Mad Hawaiian " for good reason!
single payer healthcare system (socailist) he is Al Gore like on the global warming myth.
This is the reason the job is sooooo fucked up. Corporate greed and abuse is the enemy. Anyway Perhaps you can give back any Pell grants you or the kids get or unemployment benefits along with Social Security. Lets not forget Medicare. Oh why not let them eat cake?
They would only take a weapon if there was a threat of bodily harm. A threat to toss the mofo from his do nothing unit doesn't count. Hee!
Anonymous said...
According to the reminder posted repeatedly in the Daily Bulletin, a victim cannot violate their own order of protection. So why was he moved?
3/16/2010 12:21:00 AM
Because he's a major idiot.
Just make sure it is not Jim Jones being promoted and made Commander of 011. Prime example of someone being promoted way way beyond their abilities. He's a racist, scared little house mouse with zero personality and zero ability as a leader. Whoever has been sponsoring his rise on this job seriously needs their ass kicked. Hard. I think that those meritoriously promoted, besides being identified as such, should also have who put them in for it. That way when you get a Jim Jones, we know who to blame for such an incredibly stupid series of undeserved promotions.
It used to be that guns were automatically restricted and a lot of police and security people were getting hit for their guns, then weren't able to work, and often it turned out the claims against them (in order to get the O.P.) were falsified intentionally to very deliberately force the person out of their employment.
3/16/2010 01:17:00 AM
Bingo.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
off topic: Ok Hoffman lovers I looked it up, so can you. Hoffman is anti-2nd Amendment, he is for a single payer healthcare system (socailist) he is Al Gore like on the global warming myth. He is for cap and trade and horrible on immigration. Is he better than short shanks yes, only because he dosent have a machine behind him. But he is a sissy, if he did ever get elected the alderman would make him their bitch. All info from his own senate web page.
Thank you and AMEN! I've been saying this all along. He's a leftist like the other dummy-crats. Oh, I'm sorry - I meant progressive.
3/16/2010 05:46:00 PM
Agreed, as a Conservative I too have reservations about him but I will elect him or anyone else over Daley.
We need to solidify under one candidate and remove that crooked bastard from office.
I will vote for Jesse Jr before I punch for Richie.
DUMP DALEY!!!
northside....man did you hit it, or what? 30 years of history, in a few paragraphs...you should screenwrite a movie...
True story. I have a friend who is a police officer in a suburb of detroit. They were given the option of staying in their pension fund (traditional like ours) or going to the 401k....he stayed and is enjoying his pension...the 401k group lost alot due to recent economy woes and are still working after 25 plus years
I call bullshit. You can't violate your own protective order, no such thing, otherwise we would be arresting a ton of victims every day. And I don't think you can move someone like that anyway if he is a p.o., he would have a grievance.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/chicago-police-commander-probed-for-alleged-phone-threats.html
ut oh.......
Some of us that read this Second City Cop blog have been retired for a few years before Weis took over and are not familiar with who Henny Penny is.
I for one would appreciate it if those in the know can just say the full name, There seems to be no problem saying "Dump Daley," or "Weis and Masters" so say the name.
Us retirees would appreciate it.
Thanks.........
Penelope Trahanas. And she ain't Greek.
Why is she not stripped? There are people at call back who were stripped for much less of an allegation.
Double standard of discipline AGAIN!
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/
chicago-police-commander-probed-for-alleged-phone-threats.html
It made the paper: http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/chicago-police-commander-probed-for-alleged-phone-threats.html
Off topic...
Some p.o.'s think that there are other p.o's that make it worse for us on the job. I really never looked at it that way - that was until I was informed of a special attention. This special attention involves a non-working female p.o. who resides in 12th. So over the weekend, this p.o was "victimized". Dig deeper and ask around and you will find that this p.o. is in my opinion- the type that makes us look bad. You know, the one who mentions they're the police for every possible self-benefit, flaunts it, throws her power around. Apparently, she has had various negative interactions with a few of her neighbors before.
Will I pass any more than usual? NOPE! She made her bed with her ways, now let her lay in it. Any p.o. who makes this job harder and our reputation suckier doesn't get my special attention.
That smile doesn't fool me. Then again, this is all in my own opinion.
I wish I had the option of a 401k when I was hired. I would have upwards of 300k in it now and about ten more years of service to contribute. and no concerns regarding the pension.
Remember there is more coming boys and girls!
The storm clouds are just gathering again.
The true meaning of EXEMPT on the CPD is that they are EXEMPT from all Rules & Regulations.
They have become members of the Chicago Corruption Machine, they are made and can do anything they please.
Rules & Regulations are only for the UNCLOUTED peons, primarily blueshirts.
Do as I say not as I do!
"2. Those without CLOUT, "the UNCLOUTED" lose their jobs, take heavy time for nonsense, are made Behavior Alerts, Personal Concerns, psyched, stripped and placed in ARPS, demoted, dumped, involuntarily transferred and so on."
YOU LEFT OUT SENT TO A PENITENTARY IN LOUISIANA, FREE BILL COZZI!!
it hit the news!
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/chicago-police-commander-probed-for-alleged-phone-threats.html
Tribune Co. has picked up the story...http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/03/chicago-police-commander-probed-for-alleged-phone-threats.html
She was striped today
3/16/2010 04:39:00 PM
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Are you sure she wasn't plaid? What color stripe was she?
Or, maybe you meant 'stripped'?
Mail call, bitch!
We'll be there, Henny Penny.
Let's sing a duet together: "CLUMSY".
The Trib has a little article about it: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-police-commander-accused-threats-20100316,0,2119009.story
news reports have it that, the commander welcomes an opportunity to air the charges...so, play the tapes, baby! oh, by the way, can someone ask j-fed why he promoted this person?....
please post the narrative
She was striped today
3/16/2010 04:39:00 PM
Really? Racing stripes or pin stripes?
got to wonder about her being stripped! Saw Penny sneaking in the back door of Area 4 in shabby plain clothes and making a bee-line to her office (or ex-office) She had the look of death on her face! Inquiring minds want to know!!!
Anonymous said...
Nothing will happen to Penny. The phone stuff is inadmissible because of eves dropping laws in state. You don't automatically go to call back when if there is an order of protection against, even if you don't have clout, depends on circumstances. Judge can decide not to take your gun. Ernie Brown has experience in this type of thing so he is probably being consulted.
The problem is not any of the above, but the fact that as an exempt member she should be an example. Plus, isn't she violating a rule by bringing disrepute to the Department. A real boss would resign their gold star for the good of the Department. But being she is not a real boss.....
3/16/2010 07:16:00 PM
Your logic is severely flawed. Illinois has a 2 party consent for recorded conversations unless you have a court order approving a wiretap. When you call a phone and the message says: "leave a message" then beeps and you leave a message, you gave tacit consent to have your voice recorded. Thus, the evidence will stand and it appears it is quite irrefutable and damning.
Anonymous said...
Nothing will happen to Penny. The phone stuff is inadmissible because of eves dropping laws in state. You don't automatically go to call back when if there is an order of protection against, even if you don't have clout, depends on circumstances. Judge can decide not to take your gun. Ernie Brown has experience in this type of thing so he is probably being consulted.
The problem is not any of the above, but the fact that as an exempt member she should be an example. Plus, isn't she violating a rule by bringing disrepute to the Department. A real boss would resign their gold star for the good of the Department. But being she is not a real boss.....
3/16/2010 07:16:00 PM
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It's not eavesdropping if you leave the message on voicemail. The law says that both parties to the conversation must know they're being taped. She knew he was leaving it on voicemail he knew he had. All admissible.
Nothing will happen to Penny. The phone stuff is inadmissible because of eves dropping laws in state. You don't automatically go to call back when if there is an order of protection against, even if you don't have clout, depends on circumstances. Judge can decide not to take your gun. Ernie Brown has experience in this type of thing so he is probably being consulted.
The problem is not any of the above, but the fact that as an exempt member she should be an example. Plus, isn't she violating a rule by bringing disrepute to the Department. A real boss would resign their gold star for the good of the Department. But being she is not a real boss.....
3/16/2010 07:16:00 PM
Sorry, you are wrong. She freely voiced messages on his phone, she knew she was leaving a recorded message, the eavesdropping law doesn't even apply here.People making so much money in these leadership roles should be role models and setting examples. They are expected to behave in such a manner that won't discredit the department. Command ignored Aunt B's drug house so I won't be surprised if they ignore this, but is sends out the wrong message to the 8000 police officers on this job who would be in callback on midnights if it happened to a blue shirt.
03/16/2010 11:34:00 AM
Please learn how to formulate a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and structure. You sound foolish and make the Chicago Police Department and its members look uneducated to the rest of the non Chicago Police Department readers.
Please, take pride in your profession....
A Chicago Police Officer
That's what is nice about this job. If you stay around long enough you'll see unqualified assholes like this especially those who have spent their careers fucking us over get what they deserve.
3/16/2010 06:33:00 PM
More importantly...it's not that they get what they deserve, it's that, eventually, they reveal their true nature. When people are put in or ingratiate their way up to positions they have no business being in, they can only hold their breath so long before they end up doing what comes naturally to them. When that happens, they embarrass not only themselves, but the people who put them there, which is like an extra added attraction and makes it doubly entertaining. You get to watch the self destruction of the idiot and watch their patron wiggle out of the catastrophe.
As an aside, many years ago me and a friend had an acquaintance who while hanging out at a bar told us how she jammed up some cop she was dating with allegations of d/v. As the story unfolded it was clear that the female was a drunk and a whackadoo and the cop must have figured this out and moved on so she decided to fuck up his career. Since the cop was a friend of a friend of a friend, and we thought this was very fucked up, the next day we went to the district he worked at and asked to speak to the Commander. I remember he was kind of an asshole and his nose glowed like it was radioactive but after he was sufficiently done patronizing us and realized we would follow through on whatever was necessary for the officer, everything got straightened out. I have to admit, while this bears no resemblance to the Henny Penny debacle, I remember a time when the number one problem for cops were the goofy broads they dated. Don't know if it's still true.
---not a cop
(portions borrowed from those who have learned these lessons and wrote about them before I came along)
3/16/2010 08:34:00 AM
That will not suffice for a bibliography young man. You must cite your sources or lose some points.
---not a cop
What happened in regards to the statement she made at the staff meeting, no Whites are to work the front desk?
I'd we lose pensions and go to a 401k like the private sector, we better make it contingent on living wherever we want to live as the private sector is allowed to.
03/16/2010 11:34:00 AM
Please learn how to formulate a sentence with proper grammar, spelling, and structure. You sound foolish and make the Chicago Police Department and its members look uneducated to the rest of the non Chicago Police Department readers.
Please, take pride in your profession....
A Chicago Police Officer
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was an exempt posting. You know, the multi-merited idiots ("I don't test well")who run this dept. So much for a writing sample.
Now ask yourself,why would a P.O. go through all of this trouble over a relationship gone bad and a heated conversation, coupled with a broken heart, then here comes some fucked up messages. Yes this is familiar to me, but still. Why would you go through so much trouble to embarass and humiliate her? I know, because you will use this to your advantage! Can you say stripes and cha ching! Creative officer very creative!
' Ernie Brown has experience in this type of thing so he is probably being consulted.'
ERNIE could write the BOOK on this stuff! Maybe he's collecting a 'consulting fee' from Needham!
A humble thanks for all you do, Northside. You speak for almost all of us. I hope to meet you soon over a beer or 3 on me. You truly do bleed blue to the grave. God bless you.
FREE COZZI
What happened in regards to the statement she made at the staff meeting, no Whites are to work the front desk?
It's a discrimination, but in this dept. it depends upon who says it.
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