Conspiracy Time
Sometimes, something catches your eye, rings a bell, nudges your memory or just makes you go, "Hmmmm." This is one of those times.
We were doing a bit of light reading with the Arbitrator's decision and we ran across this paragraph at the bottom of page 8. It's a quote by Arbitrator Benn regarding a previous decision he handed down in 2009, specifically in the case of County of Boone and Boone County Sheriff and Illinois Fraternal Order of Police Labor Council. It states the following:
We were doing a bit of light reading with the Arbitrator's decision and we ran across this paragraph at the bottom of page 8. It's a quote by Arbitrator Benn regarding a previous decision he handed down in 2009, specifically in the case of County of Boone and Boone County Sheriff and Illinois Fraternal Order of Police Labor Council. It states the following:
- ... With an economy in free-fall, unemployment marching steadily upward, credit markets frozen, businesses laying off or closing, revenue streams diminishing, government intervention programs of massive proportions seeking to prevent further harm and not knowing whether, when or to what degree those programs will succeed in stopping the
blood-letting, how am I as an interest arbitrator rationally supposed to set the economic terms of a multi-year collective bargaining agreement which the parties unsuccessfully attempted to reach before the economy crashed ...?
That would appear to convey the arbitrator's reluctance to lock in future economic terms (read "pay raises") when he cannot see where the economy is headed and what the effect will be of certain actions taken. The date on this decision is listed as 23 March 2009.
23 March 2009. Hmmmm. This means something. Ding-a-ling.
Time for a Google Search. Let's type in "Daley pulls raise offer" and see what happens.
Top search result yields this:
23 March 2009. Hmmmm. This means something. Ding-a-ling.
Time for a Google Search. Let's type in "Daley pulls raise offer" and see what happens.
Top search result yields this:
- March 21, 2009
With tax revenues plummeting, the Daley administration has pulled off the table an offer to raise the salaries of Chicago Police officers by 16.1 percent over five years, according to City Hall sources.
The decision to withdraw a contract offer the Fraternal Order of Police deemed inadequate to begin with could further depress police morale, which is already so low the union took a no-confidence vote on Police Supt. Jody Weis.
It also could prompt the FOP to pull the trigger on arbitration, a potentially risky move for both sides.
Ah yes, we remember that day well...wait a minute. What's that date?
21 March 2009.
So Shortshanks pulls the raise offer off the table two days before the future arbitrator writes in his decision that...
21 March 2009.
So Shortshanks pulls the raise offer off the table two days before the future arbitrator writes in his decision that...
- ...how am I as an interest arbitrator rationally supposed to set the economic terms of a multi-year collective bargaining agreement which the parties unsuccessfully attempted to reach before the economy crashed ...?
Wow. Talk about your odd coincidences. It's almost as if Shortshanks knew that if he played his cards right, his negotiating team could get an arbitrator who didn't like to predict the future and could therefore be assumed to err on the low end of economic terms. Not just any old arbitrator, but the exact same arbitrator that had granted the FOP a pretty fair win in the last contract. Why wouldn't the City have struck him in the first round of arbitrator choices knowing his history?
Maybe Shortshanks has a time machine.
Or a source that had access to a decision that came out two days later and the City decided it would be worth the risk to pull the 16.1% offer before it had a chance to be countered? Or worse, accepted?
Discuss among yourselves. It certainly makes us wonder, but then again, who are we?
Maybe Shortshanks has a time machine.
Or a source that had access to a decision that came out two days later and the City decided it would be worth the risk to pull the 16.1% offer before it had a chance to be countered? Or worse, accepted?
Discuss among yourselves. It certainly makes us wonder, but then again, who are we?
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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Oh, dear God, no. I don't want to believe it, but the hair on the back of my neck just stood up.
Daley had Been in his pocket all along. - Masters
There are NO such thing as so coincidences.
Coincidence A sequence of events that although accidental seems to have been planned or arranged.
Which one do you believe......
NEVER, NEVER Ever Trust a fed or J-Fled.......
God Bless the CPD.....
God Save the U.S.
2%er! CPDFFCPD
Nothing but corruption and influence peddling in Chicago.
http://www.breitbart.tv/illinois-mayor-expresses-doubts-about-obamas-citizenship
Time to pool all of our resources and become volunteers and a political army for anyone willing to make this city right. Regardless of gender, race, etc... THE BEST CANDIDATE PLEASE INQUIRE!!
Shaved is reporting that Jerome Finnigan was observed at a White Sox game. Whatever happened to the SOS Scandal? Is JF being treated by the G to a night out?
Anybody who reads my blog clearly knows that I stay away from 99.9% of the conspiracies out there. To me most conspiracies are just good rumors that tend to fit incident at hand lacking any evidence at all.
But had arbitrator Benn come back with a decision to award the police officers 40% more than what the FOP had asked for, everybody and their mothers would be saying there was foul play involved.
But when Benn returns a decision that awarded the police officers approximately 40% less than the Mayor had offer nobody is questioning the honesty of this award.
And not only did Benn award us 40% less than the Mayor offered but how the percentages of these low increases were applied also benefited the city and the mayor.
From all accounts from people I have spoke to involved in this arbitration process, it was clear to all that were involved that Benn put on an appearance that he was "pissed off" at the city because the city refused to open all their books to Benn.
Then out of the blue he magically comes back with a decision that has given Mayor Daley an unending erection for life?
Benn does a tremendous amount of arbitration work at the federal level. Benn's quality of life deeply depends on that federal business. As we all know we have a very close personal friend of Mayor Daley as US President and a crazy presidential chief of staff named Rahm Emanuel who is known as "Cut Throat" also on the mayoral pad. Is it so far fetched to believe that a certain rumor was floated to Benn about his future ability to retain federal business if he renders an unfavorable decision against the city.
You must understand at the close of this arbitration it was apparent to all that Benn was extremely ticked off at the city and the mayor for not showing their books and for fluffing how poor the city was. It is not hard to believe that Daley was worried about being hammered by Benn because who pissed off Benn was.
And as we all know how Daley is, you don't think some phone calls were made to see what could be done about "cooling" Benn off???
I sure do and I think the decision rendered was not one that was made without some outside pressure on Benn. I just hope that if this indeed is the case, the truth will come out.
For a stuttering, motherfucker of a lawyer who cannot pass the bar exam the first time around (was it the second, too?) Shortshanks surrounds himself with these bright ass kissers who point the idiot Mayor in the right direction.
If there isn't anything to this "conspiracy" it sure is AWFULLY COINCIDENTAL!
Still, my take on the end result: FUCK THE MAYOR AND THE POLITICIANS!
Nothing from me as far as productivity. Give me a fair contract that respects the good, working police and I will give you good, working police activity.
Shortshanks isas crooked as they come.
He's so embarrassing to have as a mayor. He's like a big , fat, whiner who always looks like he needs a shower and sweating looking like he's gonna drop dead of a heart attack at any given moment.
What a piece of shit.
He's done after this term. I don't think he is going to run. I think he's going to use his wife's cancer as an excuse. He knows he can't win. Sweaty pig.
Wow, excellent investigative reporting
Pulitzer type stuff!
Maybe some enterprising young staff writer could run with this little gem?
On the take.
It really pissed me off when Daley was laughing about how we got fucked on the news.... I can't wait to vote against him.
How about this for a conspiracy: Illinois files for bankruptcy. Chicago follows suit. All muni employee contracts are voided. There goes your pay, pension, health care and senority rights.
Listen up. The FOP are a group of cops. Remember the old saying, don't send a boy to do a man's job? Well in negotiations with the city, don't send cops to negotiate. You ask, well who then? YOU PAY BUSINESS ATTORNEYS THAT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF CONTRACTUAL NATURE DEAL WITH THE CITY ON OUR CONTRACT. HOW MUCH SIMPLER CAN IT GET? When officers are told to secure consul by the FOP when the officer has got to go to IAD for instance, the FOP gets you an actual lawyer from a law firm. So, this is what should be done on something AS IMPORTANT AS OUR CONTRACT. WHAT THE HELL DO I HAVE TO DO HERE FOP, DRAW YOU GUYS A F*CKEN MAP?!SERIOUSLY, FOP YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU DIDN'T IMPRESS ME WITH ANY GOOD ADVICE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND TO BOOT, THE BEHAVIORIAL PROGRAM WAS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR PET PROJECTS YOU MESSED UP ON ALSO. I HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR SHENNANIGANS AND THE FIRST CHANCE I GET I AM VOTING AGAINST YOU TO GET YOU OUT OF OFFICE AND PLACE SOMEONE MORE ABLE TO DEAL WITH MAJOR ISSUES. NOTHING PERSONAL, JUST BUSINESS.
Talked to a fireman today. He said if they get our 55 and out HC. About 1000 firemen could go.
I'm sure the Feds will get to the bottom of this right after they indict Daley.
lets not keep harping over this bullshit, it is finally over and done with--- since the city struck such a good deal then their must be some cash laying around to start hiring more police officers...
Don't blame anyone but the FOP they were told prior to the no confidence vote to not have a no confidence vote because there would be ramifications. Donahue and the boys did this anyway in order to win over the rank and file. That was one of the many big mistakes the FOP made, they are bargaining away seniority it has already begun.
Daley is a MASTER Machiavellian who plays chess with the shrewdness of Karpov.
Who are we ???
We are subjects of king richard II
and have been a bit rebellious as of late.
Fools are we to not expect retribution from his majestey.
There are no coincidences in Chicago.
You must be blind not to see that all Daley has to do is call the White House and submit his list of findings to include the 10% over 5 years and alcohol testing. After giving his wish list to his buddy BO it get's tendered to the arbitrator through channels that come right from The White House and Daley's close buddy, the president. Why do you think AUSA Fitzgerald has been sitting on his hands with Daley's kid hiding out in Russia after having his way with our pension money. The god damn thing STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN!!!! You get in a foot chase on this job now your a moron. We Serve and Protect, Two % of The Time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am HIGHLY disappointed with Daley and have been disgusted with his views, opinions, and snide remarks for a very long time. The comments in the Trib showed a great many citizens(not Police...) that felt the same way. I can't believe that he would be voted in another term, but then I didn't think our contract would be so dismal either. He's go feelers all over so why wouldn't SCC pick up on this conspiracy. I'm ashamed to be related to the mayor, but I am VERY proud to be a member of this department.
A nice bit of research, SCC. Now if only our negotiating team had done the same...
off topic. Who is the civilian with more than 30yrs on the job in the 014Th District whose only job is to order supplies because she refuses to do anything else and the District manager is scared to say anything else. Ha Ha now that's a waste.
What it means is that the City's labor lawyers made a shrewd move (in the City's interest) and the move turned out to be a good one for the City.
Or... perhaps there was a sinister plot, yeah, that's the ticket, a sinister plot, a conspiracy even, between the future arbitrator benn and daley to rig the arbitration-as-yet-unfiled with the arbitrator-as-yet-unpicked (as of 21 Mar 09) and cause ON PURPOSE the FOP members to get screwed.
Oh wow, how slick was that by daley, to rig all that up in advance. Th evil Lex Luther daley strikes again.
Now I believe daley is criminal and basically evil but this hint of some conspiracy is really a joke.
We all rolled the dice and it went how it went. Nothing more. If the City's labor lawyers made a slick and shrewd move then they did their job and it went against the FOP. That's the way it goes.
But if it can be proved that arbitrator Benn is related to Kevin Bacon and that Kevin Bacon was also in Chicago on or about 23 Mar 2009, well, we have the makings of a hocus pocus movie right there folks.
How about the grassy knoll in Dallas on Nov 22, 1963? Was benn there as a young man, standing on that hill, with something looking like a high powered rifle in his hand? Could be you know, could be.
Does Oliver Stone know of this? someone tell him, maybe Michael Moore will make a movie about it.
Now you have me really thinking.
Shortshanks pulled the offer the table after getting someone to get the D-man to accepct 2% (a small token) of the over all money shortshanks would be saving by the d-mans decission, Look for d-man to retire shortly now.
That's a cool $1.5 mil!!
lets kick daley in the ass and vote him out of office iam retired and was the REAL POLICE
If Obama and his crew could shut down Fitzgerald for Daley, getting to a peon arbitrator would be easy. Of course the fix was in on Arbitrator Benn. Arbitration was never a risk for the city.
DALEY MUST GO !
The 16.1 % came with baggage:
Unpaid Furlough Days were also on the table and, if that was allowed it would lead to more being requested next negotiation.
NO Uniform. and D.A. check.
Benefits and having the authority to change them anytime they feel the need.
Thats just a few...remember, its NOT all about raises. If Raises are ALL one is concerned about, thats when they slip something in under your nose.
10% is a GOOD raise, considering what was prevented.
The 16.1% being flown throughout the press, etc is no more than propaganda being used to FURTHER disrupt already present grudges with the FOP.
Be happy with what you have and understand for every percent they offer, there is ALWAYS something they want back.
See the Forest for the trees, children
Dont even start,This was Mark and Daleys Deal, not the Arbitrator's.he was the Middle man,to take the heat off the FLOP.This deal was done long ago.Daley told mark and greg what to do and how.Mark recived a new job lined up with Cook CO. for $130.000 a year.They fucked up,and got caught with thier pants down,thier hand in the cookie jar.its a done deal and thier is nothing we can do about it.The fop are rats and sellouts they sold us out just like NOLAN And Dineen.Cooter said
Conspiracy or not, I'm not doing a fucking thing.
It also makes you wonder WHY the ELECTED REPS. couldn't see past their self intrests (Mark-didn't you sign up and are set to retire with the 55-60 insurance???) and DO WHAT WAS RIGHT for the membership.......
Any of the coppers on this site taht actually thought you weregona dobetter thanthe 16.1% are smoking the shit you should be inventorying......
SCC, post the rest of it. It sounds to me that Benn ordered reopeners on the contract because he did not want to predict the future. If that is the case, why didn't he order reopeners on our deal instead of giving shitty raises through 2012. Maybe THAT is the conspiracy.
I heard a rumor from a neighborhood friend who works at city hall. He related that the Mayor reached out to Rahm Emmanuel to intervene in our contract. Emmanuel apparently spoke to arbitrator Benn and promised him future work conducting Federal arbitrations if he ruled in the City's favor. That's how we got screwed. Daley had the White House run interference for the City. This is solid information.
Why if on 23 Mar 09 almost a year after that 16.1 was offered and the economy wasalready in a tailspin in Aug-2008 thru that Mar 2009 would you not takethe 16.1% that was offered??? Every one on that board wassmoking shit if they actually thought it was going to go up....... Mark don't lie and say you didn't know about the offer its on your fucking website........
You guys failed!!!!!!
Boned..and weened..and weened..and boned!
At least the city could offer the courtesy of using some lube before giving us said "reach-a-round"
Damn SCC. You couldn't dust off the old crystal ball that was sitting in the attic a little sooner, to avert this ass raping we just took.
I'm feeling a bit like those monkey's with the red butts at Brookfield zoo.
Thank you F.O.P. for throwing us under the bus.
Come on. Either Daley is a stuttering moron, or an evil genius. He can't be both at once.
Maybe the timing is not a "coincidence" at all. Maybe, you know, the economy WAS in trouble, and people across the economy were recognizing it. Besides, stop forgetting that the FOP could see what was happening as well as everyone else could and SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED 16%.
What did you expect the Mayor to do? His whole life revolves around fucking people over and taking care of his little lackeys. What is unforgivable is the FOP's piss poor performance in negotiating and presenting their case to Benn (Dover). Vote those bums out! Unfortunately more bums will be voted in. They should have hired a professional labor attorney or three. Instead they spend your money on golf outings and such.
I sure do and I think the decision rendered was not one that was made without some outside pressure on Benn. I just hope that if this indeed is the case, the truth will come out.
4/19/2010 12:35:00 AM
If there was a truth to be found, it will never see the light of day. It's a done deal. Time to move on. Channel to anger into some useful politicing, otherwise it is a waste of time and energy.
We can have a positive effect on an election. Make sure your coworkers are registered and talk to your friends. We are political insiders with a lot of information that the voting public should know about. Stop complaining, sound professional and disseminate that information. It's time to start getting rid of these thieving politicians.
To all of you that say Daley can't win next year: Quit smoking that shit. Daley just sealed it when was able to show that "he tamed" the police and their "outrageous" demands.
Am I happy about the raise, hell no, but we need to do what we are supposed to do.
Many of you may not believe it, but we get paid well for what we do. I have friends on other departments that can't believe what is expected of us. Some Dept's require every officer to write one DUI a month, at least 5-7movers a day and other revenue generators. They would kill for duty availability, our uniform allowance and other perks we have.
There are still many, many officers around the country that don't get paid squat. I make more than the high echelons on many agencies.
Face it guys, this time the Bear got us. Quit bitching and just do your job. We are still getting a better raise than 90% of the rest of the work force in this country.
We aren't looking at layoffs or furlo days. Officers are getting laid off all over this area.
We are getting thrown money in ways that were unheard of even 10 years ago. I made more money in 09doing special and OT than what my salary was in 1987, that isn't going to last, so grab it while you can.
There will be hiring eventually.
We still have jobs and the way Obama is going, the rest of the country will still have huge unemployment for years to come.
Why would anyone who has lived in Chicago think it would be legit??
old retired guy
the 16% offer came with a bad clause in it. getting stripped for only an allegation/cr#. made it easier for the shitheads to jam you up. FOP said no dice.
It's arbitrator Benn Dovah's job to perfect a fair judgement in a deteriorating economy. For him to whine about it shows me he is looking for cover.
If he was sincere in his economic observation about the difficulty in finding an equitable solution to this matter he would have also editorialized about how unfair, wasteful and unproductive for vast amounts money to be thrown at non-1st responders like aldermen. Additionallly he would have spoke about how the TIF districts siphon money away from funding essential services.
I've been reading his report and as a citizen I find it very interesting. One statement that stands out in my mind that shows Benn is not even handed in his decision is his comment that the city has "maximized" the sale of city assets. What bullshit. Also, as has been previously posted, you guys have had your pension raided by these fucking crook politicians. They should be in jail for that.
From what I read, the FOP asked for 19.xx% and Daley originally put up 16.xx%. If I have the history straight, then Daley and the city came back with 1% for most of the contract period, a truly ridiculous figure.
As a casual observer and taxpayer, I feel the 19+ % put forth by the FOP was high but I can understand shooting high and negotiating for the best number. The roughly 16% of Daley's original percent increase and the FOP's 19 percent doesn't seem to be such a big spread to be a deal breaker but being a born and raised Chicagoian, I give the Police/FOP the benefit of the doubt that when you take in to account other negotiative fuckery the city engaged in, a deal couldn't get done between the city and FOP.
I found it interesting that in the end, both the city's final approximatey 1% offer and the FOP's roughly 19% number are both about 1/4 of the rate of inflation for the period June 2007 and March 2009 as derived from two sources: the Chicago Consumer Price Index and the value of $50,000 in 2007 converted to the dollar value for 2010 using the inflation calculator on the American Institute of Economic Research's website at www.AIER.org
That percentage is about 4.5%
I heard a rumor from a neighborhood friend who works at city hall. He related that the Mayor reached out to Rahm Emmanuel to intervene in our contract. Emmanuel apparently spoke to arbitrator Benn and promised him future work conducting Federal arbitrations if he ruled in the City's favor. That's how we got screwed. Daley had the White House run interference for the City. This is solid information.
4/19/2010 08:05:00 AM
A few years ago I was working in 009 and had to close off the 3500 block of Lowe for the Mayors mothers funeral. I was told no cars were to come through whatsoever except Rahm Emannuel a family friend. So needless too say this isnt a stretch of a theory.
I have one thing to say! this fop is a joke!the mayor was on a spending frenzy fixing the city to impress the olympic committee and the fop sat on their hands! I called numerous times down to the fop and ask why are we waiting to go to arbitration and they said they were using the olympics as a bargaining tool. we could have went to arbitration immediately and we would have gotten minimum 16 percent...this fop needs to be voted out immediately.
Anonymous said...
Shaved is reporting that Jerome Finnigan was observed at a White Sox game. Whatever happened to the SOS Scandal? Is JF being treated by the G to a night out?
4/19/2010 12:32:00 AM
That is lie, but what you expect from Shaved?
OT:
SCC, fox news 32 reported that with our new contract(2% over 5yrs), the city also changed 'full strength' from 13500 to 13200. any truth to this? downsizing the department thru attrition.
Listen up. The FOP are a group of cops. Remember the old saying, don't send a boy to do a man's job? Well in negotiations with the city, don't send cops to negotiate. You ask, well who then? YOU PAY BUSINESS ATTORNEYS THAT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF CONTRACTUAL NATURE DEAL WITH THE CITY ON OUR CONTRACT. HOW MUCH SIMPLER CAN IT GET? When officers are told to secure consul by the FOP when the officer has got to go to IAD for instance, the FOP gets you an actual lawyer from a law firm. So, this is what should be done on something AS IMPORTANT AS OUR CONTRACT. WHAT THE HELL DO I HAVE TO DO HERE FOP, DRAW YOU GUYS A F*CKEN MAP?!SERIOUSLY, FOP YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU DIDN'T IMPRESS ME WITH ANY GOOD ADVICE IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. AND TO BOOT, THE BEHAVIORIAL PROGRAM WAS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR PET PROJECTS YOU MESSED UP ON ALSO. I HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR SHENNANIGANS AND THE FIRST CHANCE I GET I AM VOTING AGAINST YOU TO GET YOU OUT OF OFFICE AND PLACE SOMEONE MORE ABLE TO DEAL WITH MAJOR ISSUES. NOTHING PERSONAL, JUST BUSINESS.
4/19/2010 01:16:00 AM
This has got to be the best common sense thing I ever heard on the blog in a while. It makes so much sense. I actually thought that they did do this. Heck, I figured let the guys who know the ins and outs, like Vrdolyaks' law firm, sit in with those high payed flashy suit pricks hired by the city and negotiate everything from our lunch time minutes to the most important whatever topic. Looking back on all the issues I had to deal with now I know things could have been better if we had some great law firm on our side. Maybe instead of those FOP picnics and fishing events, the money spent on those events would be better spent on paying people in the "know ",to negotiate with the City of Chicago.
Anonymous said...
Talked to a fireman today. He said if they get our 55 and out HC. About 1000 firemen could go.
4/19/2010 01:15:00 AM
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Never going to happen. We had many po's with over 1000 hours on the books. The dic's had more. Get a guy/gal with 25+ on the job to leave three years early and the city saves 110K per po more for dic’s. We get no premium for the health care and by getting the money over three years we stay in a lower tax bracket. The CFD has no bargaining chips to put in the game. The city wants them to give up a guy on every truck. Never going to happen. But the city could save millions in salary difference. Shortshanks will never give them the HC w/o some concession even thou the city still makes out in the deal. The teamsters said no furlo days to 42 short and he laid off 350 as he did to the CTA. We now have a political nucleolus to start our movement to unseat King Richard.
The Capt/Lt’s screwed us on the non-monetary issues by accepting everything the city going to stick up our ass. Remember all those meritorious people a whores!
There is a lot of diry sh*t going on... SCC thanks for all your hard work in keeping us informed and exposing a lot of the dirt!
I'm sorry. Most of you sound like you've been wearing tin foil hats. Only a few have seen the entire picture and it isn't only about the raises.
The CITY asked for arbitration.
Donahue is a lame duck.
Less than half of you even VOTE!
You're not going to do a thing? What have you been doing?
The reality is when duty calls, we still respond. Most of us do what's right. And I don't mean "revenue generation".
Take you're retro, you're three years late bump in pay and agree the next two years will be a pittance.
And then register to vote. Vote in November, vote in FOP elections, pension board elections and get some momentum and vote out BO.
On another note. I think that all of us must recognize what effect this 10 percent/five years will have on future earnibngs and negotiations through out the re4st of our careers, especially if you are young. If the percentages had been, say, 4 percent, or even three percent, over the course of a career with the multiplier, it would have resulted in hundreds of thousands in earnings for an individual cop with less than 10 years on in 2010. Me, I'm out in two years, this cost me maybe $10,000. Any one young person, staying another 15 20, even ten years, do the math. And multiply it by 8,500-9,500 cops. Daley screwed the police out of more than a billion in future earnings, over the next 20-25 years, right out of our pocket.
Seriously, think this is bull shit? It isn't. Ask someone who took an econ or business finance course during his 64 hours.
As I posted a couple of days ago I have made every meeting during the contact cycle. And not once did anyone say at a meeting we should take the city's offer on any part of the contract.
The 4 and 2 and the 55 and out health care were both wins for us. But if you went to the meetings rank and file would have tarred and feathered FOP if they accepted the first offer. We pushed the FOP into picketing City Hall and yelled “Daley Sucks”. Which he does. And we started a attempt in the 11th hour to remove 25 of the 50 aldermen. WE fucked up as much or more than the union did. We need to srart the alderman thing again from the ground up.
Shortshanks pushed for arbitration for both the CPD and CFD contracts after stalling as long as he could. He wants the contract done before his next election primary at which time the city will be financial stable (go figure)!
Where do we go from here?
1. Register to vote NOW if you are not registered.
2. Stop playing by their rules at work. STOP working 99 from dusk to dawn NOW!
3. No more ANOV’s do a physical arrest and get off the street.
4. Make the last minute arrest and make OT. Mark the money box and do someting constructive for yourself like a Roth IRA!
4. No more sound impounds! No more money for the city from these.
5. No more codes. Make arrests. NO CARS AVAILABLE! Let’s start this weekend. Make them send everyone detailed out back to their own units!
6. Hammer the parking meters with tickets. I hate to give shortshanks any money but the public is already pissed at 42 short already. We need to cultivate that hate.
7. Stop writing movers and if you have to write one make sure it is for a state violation not a city charge.
8. Make this job work for you!
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Didn't our newly appointed Police/Fire Alder-rat say if the police got any raise above 10% it would be voted down. Benn gives us 10% and we get a new Police/Fire Chair in the same week???
SCC, you are a muckracker in the most glorious sense of the term. Journalists would be proud of this discovery. (unfortunately, there seem to be very few muckrakers here in Chi-raq). i also agree with det. shaved's comment about white house interference.
we seem to be living in a time where democracy is under severe threat, socialism is moving in, along with politicians like daley who seem to equate "public service" with "despotism" and "monarchy."
daley is as shrewd as a politician as they come. history will reflect that, as they do with old man daley who is credited in some books as putting JFK into the white house.
but for us minions who have to live in this city in the present, we need to stop griping about what could have been done, and start thinking of ways to get new faces into office. it has gotten so bad i will be voting for anyone not on the democratic ticket.
daley may have won this battle, but come november we should move toward winning the war and vote him out.
He wrote three pages telling us why were getting screwed. Yet why is it when the city is flushed with cash were still fighting tooth and nail.
The Obama redistribution of wealth is in full command.
The non working drebs of society got a larger increase in their incomes than the persons working and contributing to society.
And with free housing,healthcare,schooling,food,
lifetimes of drawing on social security,for every known ailment,from asthma to being SLOW!
You will be taxed to subsidize this lifestyle!
With your increase in taxes,and lower incomes,you will actually be making less than the non-working gangbanger!!
Welcome to OBAMALAND people!!!
I heard a rumor from a neighborhood friend who works at city hall. He related that the Mayor reached out to Rahm Emmanuel to intervene in our contract. Emmanuel apparently spoke to arbitrator Benn and promised him future work conducting Federal arbitrations if he ruled in the City's favor. That's how we got screwed. Daley had the White House run interference for the City. This is solid information.
4/19/2010 08:05:00 AM
blow it out your s. if that was the case, rham would of used something bigger and better to have richie by the balls. you dont steal ten bucks and try to make it the crime of the century, you steal millions and hold on to that trump card. rham wouldn't get close to chicago right now even if his life depended on it, why you think he still in the white house
Well done investigative work and analysis, S.C.C.
It really pissed me off when Daley was laughing about how we got fucked on the news.... I can't wait to vote against him.
4/19/2010 01:09:00 AM
EXACTLY, VOTE AGAINST DALEY AND ALL HIS ALDERTHIEVES!
FRIST, register to vote, someone develop a website voter registration base with an email outreach so everyone votes on the same page...develop an agenda that promotes police, fire, chicago citizen interests.
THAT'S THE KEY, it will make daley & all his cohorts afraid...they count on low percentages of voters that they can control.
I am retired now but for 27 years on the job I would alway ask myself way F.O.P. wouldn't hire some labor lawyers to negotiate our contract ,even the worst out there were better then what has always represented our members. Just something for you younger guys to think about.At least go to the table with a fighting chance.I'm sure some of our dues are spent on dumber things then that.
Reminds me of the old saying, "Life's Not Fair."
It really sucks that we got screwed on this contract. I believe we got hammered on a few fronts: First, Badly represented in negotiations! I personally believe we pay an a lot of $$$ to "negotiators" that are either coppers working at the FOP or attorneys that are tied into the union. Are these people really the best money can buy? If we are paying top $ to be represented we should get the best. Second, Benn works out of a Chicago office. It's probable (actually very probable) that someone in his staff or administration has a friend or friends that work in the Mayor's office. So there is good chance someone had some inside info before the other side did.
I closing I ask every member to remember a second saying beyond Life is not fair... Remember this... You Get What You Pay For! They want to give us 10% over five years then City Hall, CPD HQ, and the citizens of Chicago will watch me give them %10 work unless it's lunch of one of my 2 personals.
The one goal My partner and I will attempt to accomplish is: We want to wear out the seat cushions in our beat car and waste gas idling in a hiding spot.
F*ck You Daley
Cooter can't say anything anymore because he drinks car 47's kool aid on the the tac team. Now he's a good company man.
Anonymous said...
off topic. Who is the civilian with more than 30yrs on the job in the 014Th District whose only job is to order supplies because she refuses to do anything else and the District manager is scared to say anything . Ha Ha now that's
Yeah this Civilian, even escorts you to the supply room and has counted out the number of contact cards you can take I went into the Office for supplies and she had them hidden under her desk.
The thing that kills me is all these politicians have the balls to attend a police officer's funeral and show their faces on the news talking about how the police officer is a hero and it's a sad day for Chicago. None of them give a crap about us and have no business showing up at a wake or funeral because it's all just for show. They spit on the graves of each officer killed or injured in the line of duty.
After three years of hearing all about this shit I am sick of it. I am done, you all can theorize about conspiracy all you want. It is done, over. finis, finito, the end, -30-, done deal.
It is also my last contract so I will now fill my life with thoughts of motorcycle rides and fishing and sunny summer days with my family.
That's all folks, I figure I will get the retro eventually, how much it is I do not care. Now I am going to take a nap.
To those old enough to remember-
John Dineen gave away our FREE health care- the best health care in the country by the way- because all the other unions were doing it. He stated categorically that no arbitrator would rule in favor of the FOP if he demanded we keep our plan.
When it was brought to his attention that one month prior an arbitrator ruled that just because every other union agreed to benefit cuts, did not mean FOP had to. He ruled that each union arbitration must stand on its own merit.
John Dineen became angry and refused to discuss this. He out and out lied and sold us down the river. We lost our free health care and we eventually lost many other health care benefits too.
Mark Donahue just sold you down the river too. He did it the last time and will do it again. When are you going to learn that FOP #7 is not a union. It is a political extension of city hall.
It is time for people to smarten up and get a real union or vote every single one of these officers out and only vote in guys from patrol- who work the streets. No under desk Jockey short pullers.
OT:
Quick question correct me if im wrong. If the firefighters get a higher pay raise does that mean automatically we will get matched the raise???
"Step 8" is correct.
The 16% came with baggage, and we didn't get screwed on medical, uniform,duty availability,etc....
Fact is, the timing was bad.Economy blows and nobody is getting raises today. How much the politicians steal, or how corrupt the local regime is, is not an issue to any arbitrator.
He won this round, conditions change. Stay united for next time.
It really pissed me off when Daley was laughing about how we got fucked on the news.... I can't wait to vote against him.
Yeah but did you happen to notice who was standing behind him laughing as well? None other than little Tommy BYRNE on a foot stool. What a piece of SH*T,runt F*CK!
RESIDENCEY!!!!!we will spend our 2% elsewhere.
Another hmmmmm...from the Clout sreet report..What kind of vehicles are the renting that will save 1.7 mil for the rest of the year? Do the math.
the return of 32 rented vehicles that would have cost $1.7 million through the rest of the year.
“We’re doing everything here, and the state and federal government are not doing that,” Daley said,
Daley said revenues so far are meeting projections in this year’s budget plan, but he’s nevertheless taking additional steps to save money
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2010/04/daley-says-state-and-federal-government-have-to-cut-more.html#more
You people think that FOP rolled the dice and lost the 16%.
Don't you remember the March?
Daley may have won this battle, but come november we should move toward winning the war and vote him out.
4/19/2010 12:11:00 PM
Not likely to run. The death of his old lady will put an end to shortshanks reign.
We had better prepare for the coming of Patrick. He is being groomed for dad's seat.
"I heard a rumor from a neighborhood friend who works at city hall. He related that the Mayor reached out to Rahm Emmanuel to intervene in our contract. Emmanuel apparently spoke to arbitrator Benn and promised him future work conducting Federal arbitrations if he ruled in the City's favor. That's how we got screwed. Daley had the White House run interference for the City. This is solid information.
4/19/2010 08:05:00 AM
blow it out your s. if that was the case, rham would of used something bigger and better to have richie by the balls. you dont steal ten bucks and try to make it the crime of the century, you steal millions and hold on to that trump card. rham wouldn't get close to chicago right now even if his life depended on it, why you think he still in the white house
4/19/2010 01:18:00 PM"
thanks, 01:18:00 PM, for confirming the rumor.
"Come on. Either Daley is a stuttering moron, or an evil genius. He can't be both at once.
4/19/2010 09:08:00 AM"
sure he can.
in fact, some would say that the definition of being a moron is to be a genius and to choose to use that intellect to do evil.
The Capt/Lt’s screwed us on the non-monetary issues by accepting everything the city going to stick up our ass. Remember all those meritorious people a whores!
4/19/2010 11:30:00 AM
I'm a whore because I wanted the fuck out of here after 30+ years on the street? The City said they'd pay my medical--that's all I needed to hear to pull this plug. Sorry it's not working for you, but I put in my time and then some. And I WAS the police. Get out of this department and go somewhere like Denver where they still have leadership while you're still young. There's nothing for you here, except lawsuits and bs. And don't ever forget what this administration did to Bill Cozzi. They'll stick it to you the same way in a heartbeat.
Anonymous said...
I am retired now but for 27 years on the job I would alway ask myself way F.O.P. wouldn't hire some labor lawyers to negotiate our contract ,even the worst out there were better then what has always represented our members. Just something for you younger guys to think about.At least go to the table with a fighting chance.I'm sure some of our dues are spent on dumber things then that.
4/19/2010 01:48:00 PM
You must have missed it. FOP does have a labor lawyer who negotiates the contract, Joel d'Alba, he spoke at length at the reps meeting about the arguments that went forth during the arbitration hearings.
The arbitrator simply went with the Federal Consumer Price Index and did not take into account at all the higher cost of living in Chicago and Cook County.
Better 10% straight than 16.1% with 9% going back in the form of unpaid furlough days. And that would have been without any alternate work schedule, no 4-2, no ten hour days etc.
To me, the 4-2 is the best thing we got this time, 18 extra paid days off a year! That is huge.
This arbitrator is a JOKE!!!! On our last contract when the economy was booooooming he never took it into consideration, but now when the economey is hurting he does. The best part is when our contract expired nearly 3 years ago the economy wasn't so bad, but this guy didn't care. To top it off he gives the city it's 5 year contract at 10%. If he made it 4 years then ok, but 5? In two years it will be the same shit. The city will do nothing and 5 years from now we will go back to arbitration. Even though the arbitrator may be scared for playing ball with Daley he will be set for life since he followed dictator Daley's orders.
Any business with the city has to be questioned. Anthing is possible with Daley.
The Capt/Lt’s screwed us on the non-monetary issues by accepting everything the city going to stick up our ass. Remember all those meritorious people a whores!
4/19/2010 11:30:00 AM
It's not just the one's that are merit it's also the ones who are hoping to get merit and will sell their souls for it. These are the dangerous ones. Especially the tact Lt's. who will push teams to do things that are unethical just to make themselves look good. I'm sure many know these types.
and today channel 7 reports that rahm emmanuel wants to run for mayor of chicago. hmmmmm.
there could be something to this.
Sorry to bother all on this site, but I do not trust the second city sarge site. To all sergeants out there,wake the FK UP! DO NOT VOTE FOR KIRCHNER! He is J.P. all the way. He is a player. He is a politician. He is not a working policeman. He has cruised through this department for years doing absolutely nothing. DO NOT VOTE FOR KIRCHNER. DO NOT VOTE FOR KIRCHNER. Its like voting for Daley. Knock it off. Thank you.
the fire department already has a percentage of its engine company's 4 man units, and the percentage will increase with this contract--- the proverbial " you let them put their foot in the door" comes to mind.... when i came on the job the city came in and asked for a couple bucks a check for health insurance and look what it is now... as municipal employees we have to look at the big picture and compared to the private sector we are doing pretty good--- 2011 will be a bust for daley and he is threatening to force union employees to take 52 unpaid days a year plus holidays--- if the union does not agree to this their will be layoffs--- the unions have met and are ready to fight and have told daley to go get fucked, enough is enough--- we are already taking a hit for 30 days and we will give no more--- look out boys and girls, the kettle is about to boil over.....
...Better 10% straight than 16.1% with 9% going back in the form of unpaid furlough days. And that would have been without any alternate work schedule, no 4-2, no ten hour days etc.
To me, the 4-2 is the best thing we got this time, 18 extra paid days off a year! That is huge.
4/19/2010 10:27:00 PM...
BULLSHIT! Unpaid furlough Days?!?! They must have got to Benn, and this 4-2 sucks if your are on midnights because you are working half of afternoons. Ask the so called "union" about it and you they tell you to get off midnights. I have more that enough seniority to work days but I work nights for my of own reasons. Again the inside day-timers in an office get the same Duty-Availability Check I get for pushing a Beat Car in the ghetto on midnights.
O-M-G!
Rham Emanuel is one of the few people, maybe the only one that I can imagine that might be worse than Shortshanks.
We had better prepare for the coming of Patrick. He is being groomed for dad's seat.
4/19/2010 08:41:00 PM
After Rahm of course
Anonymous said...
...Better 10% straight than 16.1% with 9% going back in the form of unpaid furlough days. And that would have been without any alternate work schedule, no 4-2, no ten hour days etc.
To me, the 4-2 is the best thing we got this time, 18 extra paid days off a year! That is huge.
4/19/2010 10:27:00 PM...
BULLSHIT! Unpaid furlough Days?!?! They must have got to Benn, and this 4-2 sucks if your are on midnights because you are working half of afternoons. Ask the so called "union" about it and you they tell you to get off midnights. I have more that enough seniority to work days but I work nights for my of own reasons. Again the inside day-timers in an office get the same Duty-Availability Check I get for pushing a Beat Car in the ghetto on midnights.
4/20/2010 12:53:00 AM
The 4-2 is the best thing that has happened in my almost 25 years. I love it. I do not work midnights, I hate midnights. You can never please everyone.
If we got 14% instead of just 10% there would be less grumbling but it is what it is, I am not overjoyed with 10% believe me.
From now till early next year I will get 7% on my check extra plus 2% Jan 1 plus a step raise shortly after Jan 1. That's over 10k a year in extra salary in times that other departments are getting goose eggs or suffering layoffs.
Is this ideal? No. Is it better than a stick in the eye? yes. Will coppers always complain? you bet.
All we can do now is play the game to our best advantage.
Anonymous said...
Daley may have won this battle, but come november we should move toward winning the war and vote him out.
4/19/2010 12:11:00 PM
Not likely to run. The death of his old lady will put an end to shortshanks reign.
We had better prepare for the coming of Patrick. He is being groomed for dad's seat.
4/19/2010 08:41:00 PM
The next mayoral election in Chicago will be Feb 22, 2011. No primary, just a general election for mayor. Daley will be re-elected and everyone will moan. However, over half of the police department still is NOT even registered to vote!
How can police officers threaten political action when so many never get close to a polling place much less do any volunteer work for a candidate or anything meaningful to get someone good elected?
Say what you want about daley, he gets workers out there to get himself elected time after time. No one else has been able to do that. In the wards where he is strong people are registered to vote and they get out on election day.
And what do police officers as a group do come elections? They complain anonymously on a blog and curse in police locker rooms. But do they actually do anything? No way. Most do not.
all i no is boston firefighters just got a 19pct.raise retro pay from 07 if they agreed to alcohol and drug, better arbitrater then benn.hope cfd gets him
To the poster at 0805 hrs., blow it out YOURS! Rahm announced today he is interested in running for Mayor of Chicago! Well how about them apples. Don't worry though, you're 18th month raise will be coming around real soon. Dumbshit
Anonymous said...
BULLSHIT! Unpaid furlough Days?!?! They must have got to Benn, and this 4-2 sucks if your are on midnights because you are working half of afternoons. Ask the so called "union" about it and you they tell you to get off midnights. I have more that enough seniority to work days but I work nights for my of own reasons. Again the inside day-timers in an office get the same Duty-Availability Check I get for pushing a Beat Car in the ghetto on midnights.
4/20/2010 12:53:00 AM
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It's their choice to work inside on days and your choice, according to you, to work midnights.
Don't play the martyr about pushing a beat car on midnights in the ghetto and receiving the same duty availability check as someone who works days inside.
Your choice live with it. You want to work midnights. You want to work in the ghetto. Then stop whining about it in a holier than thou manner as if it is a noble quest.
It works for you and you have your reasons for working midnights but don't cry about the check, unless of course you really are just a hair gel crying about your watch assignment.
Mike shields for fop president and cooter for vice preident.and cooter never drinks anyones koolaid
Benn didn't raise the medical multiplier but when your salary goes up so does your medical pay out. Sorry to bust your bubble look it up in the contract
I told you this arbitrator has a political agenda. O'Bama supporters?
(Ben),(Mayor),(J-Fled) you all just pissed off alot of Po's and crime will suffer. He have poor ass morale and now it's gonna really hit rock bottom. Way to go dick heads!!! They have an agenda.
I'm gonna start the CPD Tea Party movement. We need to march at at city hall, and the FOP, we are tired of this SHIT!!!
Anonymous said...
all i no is boston firefighters just got a 19pct.raise retro pay from 07 if they agreed to alcohol and drug, better arbitrater then benn.hope cfd gets him
4/20/2010 09:33:00 AM
Boston FD is still below what we at CPD get paid. the way to a 19% raise or a 24% raise like NYPD is to start way below what we get paid.
NYPD does now get paid more than us, for years we were ahead of them. You want to live and work in New York? I don't.
If you're a cop on NYPD you can't use your seniority like here. You get written up no questions asked if your Sgt sees a blue shirt without a hat. You have to keep a detailed notebook of everything you do each shift and be prepared to produce it upon demand. all the time. No bidding to other districts on NYPD, seniority does not count for as much as here. No 75% pension there although you can leave after 20 years.
Like that high pay over in NYPD? Go there and get it, you're welcome to it.
CPD is still in the top 2 or 3 in pay for big city police departments, cities over 1 million in population.
Remember the euphoria over the 4-2? What happened? We still get 18 extra days off a year, with pay, that we didn't get last year. 18 DAYS OFF!
So maybe Benn factored in those 18 days a bit, we still made out better. 18 days off is about $4,900 in pay. While other unions and even exempts here get more UNpaid furlough days, we get 18 extra days off WITH pay. And still people complain like crazy.
I came on this job with a GED, now I will make $86,000 a year, base pay, over $100,000 after extras and a bit of special employment. I will retire with a pension of over $60,000. I wear a blue shirt and drive a beat car.
What is there for me to complain about? You people out there who all sound so bitter better take a reality check and be grateful for what you've got, it is much more dignified than whining about the 2% or 4% raise that you didn't get.
I must go now and begin planning the first segment of my 2 summer furloughs.
Stay safe.
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