FOP Meeting Today - Noon
We imagine there are going to be fireworks.
We think a number of people may be declared "out of order."
We certainly don't think it's a stretch to call this the FOP's only chance to explain what went wrong (and what went right) in the Contract negotiations and Arbitrator's decision. Tempers will be running high.
We expect a bunch of reports from the scene of the noon meeting.
We think a number of people may be declared "out of order."
We certainly don't think it's a stretch to call this the FOP's only chance to explain what went wrong (and what went right) in the Contract negotiations and Arbitrator's decision. Tempers will be running high.
We expect a bunch of reports from the scene of the noon meeting.
Labels: contract stuff, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:39 AM
166 Comments:
It's kind of too late to bitch, isn't it?
We were without a contract for years and yet, the same crowd turns out for FOP meetings.
Few vote, even in the FOP election. And yet they bitch when things don't go their way.
Yeah, tempers will be hot, but where was this enthusiasm when the FOP's contract offer was being developed?
Where was it when we marched on city hall?
Will it be there when candidates that can actually do us some good need somone to hand out flyers or go door-to-door?
Will it be there when it's time to VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATIC REGIME that is choking the life out of Cook County and the City of Chicago?
It's the Chicago way. What else is new?
They don't even attempt to hide it anymore. They're so brazen, it's sickening.
Little wonder that Chicago/Cook County is the laughingstock of the nation.
When will the taxpayers/voters learn?
I dont care what any of you say.. considering the climate of the economy, the state and the city the fop actually got a decent contract for us. you people need to read the reasons arbitrator benn gave for the raise he gave us.. it actually makes a little sense. another huge part of it is that they didnt raise medical again. with my step raises I figure between what im making now and what ill be making in august will be about 9000 more a year now... thats huge. I understand there are tons of fop haters here but lets face the facts.. suburbs are laying off cops and firemen and the state police just announced they are shutting down a number of stations and getting rid of a few hundred troopers. cops nation wide are being laid off.. we GOT A RAISE!! we didnt even see a bump in medical, got more per check for duty avail and physical fitness...also lets not forget we dont even have to take a unpaid furlough day... Im not very active in the fop/union thing and have never actually attended a meeting, but I can tell you that I have friends in other departments in this state and in many other states... they are struggling and the future outlook is not pretty for them..some of them have not gotten a raise in 2 or three years, are taking unpaid days off, increased medical, friends getting laid off, more work load, and a future that has no raise in sight..so lets not crucify the boys at lodge 7 yet... I think donahue is a good president and I dont think he is on daleys side at all... You can never make anyone happy..personally, I blame the mayor and the city, they pulled the "offer" off the table which didnt even get discussed in contract talks because finance talks didnt even happen yet.. its smoke and mirrors and finger pointing and your all falling for it.. you should be taking the side of our union who takes our side..if your not with the union, your with daley..you must be proud
As disappointed as I am with the outcome of the arbitration - still think its VERY important to show a united front and no confidence vote J-Fled!!
I'm reserving judgement for FOP...From what I read in the papers, the city PULLED the 16% offer.... But the FOP has done a TERRIBLE job communicating with the rest of us...they better get on the ball or dust off their blues...
Blanket party for marky & da funky bunch...
But a question first before the fun begins...
How much did shorty pay/promise you humps to sell out the membership?
It's a simple question really.
It's written in English... Which is PRESUMABLY the native tongue for you cabal of knee-walkers.
No mumbling, no stalling for time ("Huh?") like the idiots we come in contact with in the field.
Be men for once in your God-Forsaken lives, take a calcium supplement of conscience to grow a spine and own up to this very unnecessary, poorly managed and run, flying circus of a flaming fuck-up that was this contract negotiation.
You owe it to the membership to come clean with how you were co-opted by Daley Inc.
All the things you incompetents said you were going to do to put on a strong case for the membership, you have catastrophically failed to do.
Whither the team of specialists, lawyers and negotiators that was supposed to be hired? Or better yet, highly paid professionals to rifle the trash, conduct surveillance and keep tabs on the piece(s) of ass on the side of some of the opposing principals in this process to insure some semblance of respectable detente instead of the membership having to wear "kick me" signs yet again?
Vicious and underhanded people only understand a hand on their neck and getting their foot stepped on while a knife is slid between their ribs... Sic Semper CPD contract negotiations. Nice-nice is NOT an option here.
This was a fight for OUR LIVES and you allowed us to be slaughtered wholesale by sleeping on the sentry duty we charged you with.
Why were you so resolutely and naively fixated on pretending to take the high road while the City was OPENLY AND FLAGRANTLY negotiating in the press?
You should be publicly flayed and made to give back every penny you misappropriated from the membership during your terms.
Morally bankrupt, ethically nihilistic, traitorous fucking turncoats!
You humps can't even trouble yourselves to show up at the Area with decent food for P.O's fighting for their lives & livelihoods at the post-shooting circus/exempt display of incompetence, lip-smacking, preening, belittling subordinates and kissing the asses of even higher ranking exempts, resident alderfools & running-dog rev'runs... er, we mean round table. One thing for sure, we will admit that the pizza has been reliably shitty over the years at least. Thanks guys.
Justify yourselves to the membership... And stop with the "HUH?" bullshit.
You are no better than ante-bellum slave overseers telling the workers that if they're good, when they die, they'll be privileged to be in Heaven still serving to the whims of that twisted little maggot, ol' Marse Daley.
Aiders and abettors all of you...
Enjoy your pay-offs from shorty and may you rot alive for your failure to fight and your betrayal of the membership.
Sheer Fuckery...
O/T
A BIG thanks to the 8th district midnight rangers that showed up on Neenah this morning. A great response, and a happy ending.
thanx again
RMM 13616
Don't blame FOP. Not this time around. Do you really think that if they had presented the 16% with all that the City wanted to take away that the members would have voted for it? Of course not.
This was Daley through-and-through. Period. Don't think otherwise.
Whats the point? The damage is already done and as usual, FOP is useless....
Remember that Daley would like nothing more then you have the union fragmented and fighting against itself. Unity is more important now then ever before to show City Hall that they are not our masters and they can not diminishes us and our critical selfless sacrifices that make it possible for this city to even exist.
This city is great because we make it possible for the families to raise their children in safety. This city is great because we make it possible for the workers to practice their trades in safety. This city is great in spite of Daley and his corruption.
We got clobbered this time but only unity will bring us justice later. Infighting will only further subjugate us to Daley and he will only continue to scorn us and throw us table scarps.
He is a criminal and thinks like a criminal and will never respect people who dedicate their lives to truth and justice.
Show unity and send a powerful message !
FREE COZZI !!!!
See How FLOP ignores memebers and Disrepects them at this meeting!!!!!! DECERTIFY Wed be better off with PBPA
The time has come:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/2176790,CST-NWS-salary20.article
Bring this idea to Chicago!!!!!!!
WILL THE WANNA B FUTURE PREZ BE ON STAGE OR WILL HE BE MISSING FOR IMPORTANT BIZNESS!
Anonymous said...
Don't blame FOP. Not this time around. Do you really think that if they had presented the 16% with all that the City wanted to take away that the members would have voted for it? Of course not.
This was Daley through-and-through. Period. Don't think otherwise.
4/20/2010 04:05:00 AM
Does anyone remember the sentiment when the City had that 16.1% offer out there for that short time? It was "shove that 16.1% up their ass and five years too."
To a man, I never heard any support for accepting the 16.1% even though the economy was beginning to tank. I wrote to Donahue and urged the leadership to consider grabbing that 16.1% because I figured it was pointless to go another couple of years and still be unlikely to get much more. And what happened? Uh huh. Now people are looking back on the 16.1% and screaming why didn't they take it.
The thing is, if the FOP leadership had taken that 16.1% when offered they would have been crucified for "selling out" and cries of conspiracy and sell out and bribery would have been all over these pages.
So the FOP leadership did what we wanted, what we expressed to them, they took it to the end and went to arbitration and we got what we got.
Has any of those howling so loudly actually taken time to READ that arbitrator's decision? I have and there is lot's in there besides a table of raises. There is page after page of justification for each and every item on the decision and history behind each point. Read it entirely before you post.
I know that few will bother to cloud their hyperbole with actual facts. It sound so much better to just scream FUCK FOP than to read several hundred pages and find out what is in the decision and why Benn ruled as he did.
Too all who haven't read it, go read that decision, all of it, and consider that maybe, just maybe, there isn't any grand conspiracy, it just went against us, not totally against us either.
Look at past contracts, no one is ever happy with the raises, even when we were getting 4% a year, we never got 5% or 6%. Police officer is not a highly paid profession, it just isn't. And we here in Chicago are in one of the top two or three most highly paid departments in the country!
My pension will be more than many officers in other police and sheriff departments in this country make in salary! This pension will look pretty good somewhere in a state of affordable housing and no state income tax and a lower cost of living. Hello Tennessee, Nevada, Florida, Texas, Alaska or Washington.
In three years I will be gone so I will never again worry about another police contract. I will now get into "get off this job intact" mode. Whatever else happens with contracts, well, I just don't give a shit.
Are they going to hand out the YELLOW RIBBONS there for the Reps to take back to their units?
4/20/2010 01:29:00 AM
Well said.
Hey - Show up raise hell, Tell them how you feel! In the end, nothing will change. Just like when i told everyone they are wasting their time marching around city hall. That was a waste of time too.
Rahm Emmanuel was on interviewed on Charlie Rose saying he was interested in being Mayor of Chicago if Daley didn't run for office. This was announced yedterday in the media. So for all you people who think he DIDN'T run interference on the contract you're soft. Our contract will effect him directly if he becomes Mayor of the city. Connect the dots guys, its very apparent. Daley will back him- they are close friends.
Enough of this in-fighting. It’s time for a new mayor. Out with the old and in with the new. Rahm Emanuel for mayor!
Oh God, this City is so fucked.
City is having another "Gun turn in day".
lets have our own sort of "turn in day"
Lets call it "turn in a fake reverend day" or " turn in a corrupt politician day".
Yes we would have our hands full of both.
just a thought.
Ask Markie:
Police agree not to strike in exchange for the arb resolution.
Arb resolution is designed as OUR HAMMER on the city to negotiate a contract if Daley is unwilly to negotiate. WE THE POLICE call for arb. NOT THE CITY Daley used our hammer on US and MARKIE allowed it.
Would Markie and the boys STILL be negotiating with Daley had Daley not demanded arb?
MARKIE has only cared about two things.
1. His $170,000.00 Union Dues paid salary plus car
2. His government job after he is unable to dip into our union dues ala Nolan now representing management for the Cook County Sheriff against the rank and file where he spent 15 plus useless years........ Thank God Nolan is hopefully off the union dole as he will no longer be able to get $600.00 per month of your union dues money for the useless position of Lodge 7 past president OH NO Markie now will get the same $600.00 per month as he will be the FOP Lodge 7 past president.......
Our machine is patterned right after the democrats
Fireworks at the lodge meeeting Wish I could be there......but Markie took care of that but everything I said about Markie came true and you will seee it today...
wharej
B&A
PS Let me be the first to Welcome Greg (but Markie I did everything you told me to do!) Bella
back to Investigative Services I will recommend you to Commander Roy the bomb suit may come in handy
wharej
Unit 603
quit complaining city workers are being forced to take 24 days a year without pay
exempts take 24 days without pay
focus on putting office workers
armed secretaries and phony medical roll abusers back to work
FOP lobby to eliminate gold braid pension
we are lucky to receive 10 %
J-FED's big Tahoe should be called "J-SLED"
4/19/2010 09:20:00 PM
Oh, oh.....and 35th and Michigan is now "Fledquarters". Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll stop now.
Any lawyer will tell you that arbitration favors no one and there is never a winner best one can hope for is to loose less then the other side. Why anyone would think that going to arbitration is a good idea is beyond me. And yet POs continue to think that the FOP should have gone to arbitration after 6 months. Negotiating for a Police union is very difficult. Without the right to strike you have no leverage. Your only threat is to hold your breath until you turn blue. So think of it as collective begging not collective bargaining.
How would you then force the city to accept your demands? No one seems to have that answer only the demand that FOP should have done something else.
Read the arbitrators ruling. You might be surprised at just how the results were arrived at.
I have no love lost for the FOP but they are not the sell outs that you might think.
Fuck Daley and his J-Fled lackey.
It's not the FOP's fault period. I am not a fan of the FOP but it went to arbitration and that's what we got. The final offer from the city was 5% with no uniform and no availability. Benn gave us twice that and did not take away the uniform or the availability. We could have done better but this is not too bad.
OT ~ Donahue Slaps Daley !
For the first time in memory, the FOP Prez attacks Daley!
http://www.chicagofop.org/updates/2010/04/
editor_letter_wages_04202010.pdf
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FOP for the safety of rank and file , please have a district /watch rep make copies of assignment sheets
send information to news media
document how many officers are assigned to inside paper pushing assignments , many officers are full duty and should be reassigned to street duty
fyi send a copy to the superintendent because he doesn't realize how short we are and how many full duty officers are doing clerical work
I'm reserving judgement for FOP...From what I read in the papers, the city PULLED the 16% offer.... But the FOP has done a TERRIBLE job communicating with the rest of us...they better get on the ball or dust off their blues...
First off, I'm no big fan of our CURRENT FOP board but until the next election they are all we got. However, you say they do a terrible job at communicating with the rank and file? OK. How would you improve it?
They do have their monthly meetings. Have you been in attendance? Each district has union reps that are supposed to inform us on anything new or give us updates on current issues. You could run for union rep the next time the chance comes up. I know we need one in my district. Our guy has rarely ever informed us on what was happening. I can remember only one time during this past contract negotiations that he stayed after roll call to get us up to speed on what was happening.
Hell, maybe the whole thing is broke and we need to vote out the FOP.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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So, we got a 10% raise over 5 years. It could be better. However, we are in one of the worst global recessions ever. We have the 4 and 2 schedule. We get a raise AND get to work less days/year. We don't have any unpaid furlough days like all other city workers. Duty availability and the fitness award increases. Put it in perspective people and enjoy all that we have.
Anonymous said...
I dont care what any of you say.. considering the climate of the economy, the state and the city the fop actually got a decent contract for us. you people need to read the reasons arbitrator benn gave for the raise he gave us.. it actually makes a little sense. another huge part of it is that they didnt raise medical again. with my step raises I figure between what im making now and what ill be making in august will be about 9000 more a year now... thats huge. I understand there are tons of fop haters here but lets face the facts.. suburbs are laying off cops and firemen and the state police just announced they are shutting down a number of stations and getting rid of a few hundred troopers. cops nation wide are being laid off.. we GOT A RAISE!! we didnt even see a bump in medical, got more per check for duty avail and physical fitness...also lets not forget we dont even have to take a unpaid furlough day... Im not very active in the fop/union thing and have never actually attended a meeting, but I can tell you that I have friends in other departments in this state and in many other states... they are struggling and the future outlook is not pretty for them..some of them have not gotten a raise in 2 or three years, are taking unpaid days off, increased medical, friends getting laid off, more work load, and a future that has no raise in sight..so lets not crucify the boys at lodge 7 yet... I think donahue is a good president and I dont think he is on daleys side at all... You can never make anyone happy..personally, I blame the mayor and the city, they pulled the "offer" off the table which didnt even get discussed in contract talks because finance talks didnt even happen yet.. its smoke and mirrors and finger pointing and your all falling for it.. you should be taking the side of our union who takes our side..if your not with the union, your with daley..you must be proud
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Ok KEVIN GRAHAM, give it up already. You boys over at FOP are gone! Way Gone! You lied to all the members and now you will be voted out!
Im otw to get breakfast and I will be there. I only ask those in attendance to LISTEN FIRST to what the FOP has to say before you start groaning, bitching and making underberath comments.
When they start taking questions do not hog the floor, ask your question and let others do the same.
There is nothing more frustrating than coppers fucking bitching when others are trying to speak.
Im not happy with the results either but I am willing to listen to what and why things happend
Before we lambaste the Arbitrator, please look at the following table, which depicts the numbers submitted by the Lodge and the City. This was his basis for his decision. Just in case it does not come through, the City only offered 5%!!!!!
[IMG]http://i804.photobucket.com/albums/yy321/Chinaman_photo/2010ArbAwardpg25.jpg[/IMG]
The third poster is a douche. The fop cares not about us. None of us should have expected anymore from the city. Looks like our next contract will be fought over with Rahm as our king. The fact of the matter is, in two short years this bs will start all over again
Enjoy your pay-offs from shorty and may you rot alive for your failure to fight and your betrayal of the membership.
Sheer Fuckery...
4/20/2010 03:29:00 AM
To the poster of the above drivel and threats: 1. You are so stupid. 2. Does the "FOP in bed with the City" thing ever get old? 3. You need psychiatric help, bad. 4. Your awesome big words (cabal, whither, etc.) do not impress. Loser.
Hear ye! Hear ye!
Box Chevy Phantom is a babbling lunatic.
That is all.
Hey Box Chevy Phatass,
You wrote a paragraph complaining about the food FOP gets at shootings? Are you fucking kidding? What a complete douchebag you are!
You must have missed it. FOP does have a labor lawyer who negotiates the contract, Joel d'Alba, he spoke at length at the reps meeting about the arguments that went forth during the arbitration hearings.
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I was at that meeting. D'Alba was defending the agreement. He sounded terrible. Actually scatterbrained. Said some shit about what the police make in comparison to a Rockford truck driver and how many empty store fronts he saw while riding the green line. Really.
Truth is D'Alba worked the Boone County and Rockford Police arbitrations. That was his background. They made some effort to prove the city's ability to pay and comparibles with Detroit and NYC, but arbitrator Benn wasn't concerned with that. Fact is, our presentation was OFF POINT in the mind of Benn. That is where we lost. We swung and missed.
Mark and his crew are nice guys. Bella helped me on a beef once. No complaints, personally. But when your first baseman bats .150, you need a new first baseman.
For those of you that are advocating the yellow ribbon at St. Jude, please don't.
St. Jude is for honoring the men and women that gave their lives for the people of this City. It is not the time for politics. That time comes this fall when the criminals are voted out of office.
Boston Fire just got 19%
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/04/20/panel_oks_firefighter_drug_tests_19_raise/
TIME TO GET THE JOB DONE IN SPRINGFIELD!!!!!
When do I see my fucking money?
Which pay check, Thats all I want to know!
To: The Box Chevy Phantom you tell the FOP members to "be men for once in their god forsaken lives" but you dont want to go to meeting to ask the question yourself. Maybe you should "be a man" and ask that question face to face or are afarid to confront someone face to face. The only box chevy police car you ever seen was in a movie.
Vote Walsh for Local School Council, Taft High School. Community Representative. Thursday, 22 April 6.am.to 7 p.m. It will take you 5 minutes to vote.
Vote for the Conservative Police point of view on the school council.
Tell your family and friends!
Community residents, 18 years of age or older, may vote at any school in whose attendance area or established voting district (for multi-area schools)
they reside.
Boundaries are approximately Lawrence on the south, city limits on the north, Pulaski on the east, and city limits on the west,
Lets see an example of Police voting power! VOTE WALSH
Donohue and Plienes both must go!
They are responsible for the latest fiasco and it is time for new blood.
Regardless of the "at fault" party here, it is obvious that our FOP isn't imposing their will on the city... maybe the next group will... REGIME CHANGE!
Anyone with 29 and a day who was under 60 years of age and did not sign up to retire for the 55 and out premium free heath care waiting to see the contract first has to feel stupid now. That was the a great bennie along with the 4 and 2. The arbitrator punished us because we do not have to take unpaid furlo days. But are now working 16 days less. Look for the Sgts. and the CFD to get screwed worse than us now. And remember all the other things we lost on was because the Capts/Lts sold us out. Remember they sold us out after Daley took the raise off the table meritorious whores!
Can I quit the fop?
Not much to discuss, theyre done as far as Im concerned. If you are on facebook, join the group FOP 7 NO CONFIDENCE. Over 300 members in 3 days!!!!!!!
Grape or cherry,cooter said
BOX CHEVY PHANTOM IDIOT SAYS:
Vicious and underhanded people only understand a hand on their neck and getting their foot stepped on while a knife is slid between their ribs... Sic Semper CPD contract negotiations. Nice-nice is NOT an option here.
I SAY:
Are you suggesting that the FOP should have knifed City chief negotiator Jim Franczek? Seriously, dude. I don't like Franczek either. But murder? Get back on your meds, soldier.
I believe the whole deal was a fix between Hussein obama, Daley, Fed Arbitrator Benn, and DonaHOE. I also hope all of them rot in Hell, fuckin corrupt, thieving, arrogant, self-serving Bastards
RE 01:29:00 AM
Well said, this should be posted anywhere a PO might see it.
Our next Contract will be even worse with these FOP Boobs negotiating, coupled with the Economy/ recession/depression.. Watch for Daley to cry that 2% is even too much in the coming years. Watch for 1.5 to 1 3/4% max. We are fucked as long as the Daley- Democrat Crime Family is in Office. We are screwed for at least 4 to 10 years now for sure.
Meeting at noon today?????? Now when the f*ck did this happen? Another great communication of an event by FOP.
The cocksuckers never got the word out to ALL the members did they SCC? If we knew about this, a lot of my peers would have went and really tore them a new asshole at their noon meeting. Those sneaky cocksuckers. FOP, you really suck. Thanks for telling us you had a meeting planned. That really sucks, have a meeting and don't tell your members.
"Show unity and send a powerful message!"
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That's exactly what we plan on doing... by voting you incompetent boobs at the FOP out of office.
Buh-bye, and have a nice retirement, you BUMS!
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LOOK AT THE CITY PROPOSAL PEOPLE....the 16% included increased medical, furlough days and no more uniform checks and less for duty availabilty... all of these factors together would mean that we would see no raise at all.. at least the contract we got now we are getting money, not taking furlough days and paying the same with medical and more for duty avail.. you guys always have something to bitch about.. we actually got a pretty decent contract
Time for new representation! Time to dump FOP. This crew and all the crews that have gone before are in the Mayor's pocket. We need a "union" in the true sense of the word, an outfit with union goons and leg-breakers. QUIT WRITING TICKETS!
Think what you may about the F.O.P. and Mark Donahue but Mark had a very pointed and blatntly honest letter to the editor in today's Suntimes. It was excellent and basically called Shortshanks what he is a lying peice of shit. The public needs to be frequently reminded of this.
Anonymous said...
I'm reserving judgement for FOP...From what I read in the papers, the city PULLED the 16% offer.... But the FOP has done a TERRIBLE job communicating with the rest of us...they better get on the ball or dust off their blues...
4/20/2010 02:58:00 AM
Don't kid yourself, just like that punk Nolan, they will all end up with great double dipping jobs.
If you don't know - ass wipe Nolan, who sold us out time and again, is making 110 K per. He supervises the court monkees [bailiffs] at the Daley Center, having several fire drills per day.
CROOK COUNTY AT IT'S BEST
fop was is 012 yesterday, fop president could not even look into the eyes of the officers when he spoke... bye bye fop...
OT-mt. greenwood and beverly residents--agricultural HS school board elections this thurs 22apr. please come out and vote. we NEED local residents on that board. OUR kids from beverly/ mt. greenwood should have full access to that school, not kids from roseland, gresham, grand crossing...please vote and pass this info to family and friends. shavedlongcock.blogspot.com has the list and info posted
well the genius jfled has reinvented the wheel, they are coming up with summer mobile but instead of the lake front as their home they get the "ghetto". About 140 people going to MSF and TRU. There will be a bidding process and all units will have to send people, except detectives, et's, canine, etc...
Of course patrol will be hit the hardest, big shock. But a lot of these people will come from reverse seniority, so I'm sure they will be motivated to work. I'm sure we'll get some 2%ers...
SCC OT....just told at roll call that all cars are to leave blue lights on when responding to any call, s/s, traffic stop or any job, even if you go inside to take report. W/C stated that he was told by Commander to relate information to roll calls and that there is to be no email, notices or bulletins in writting to make reference to this to anyone. Another officer stated he was told same thing at roll call yesterday by different W/C.... Can other districts or officers verify same information???
Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky
4/20/2010 01:29:00 AM
We should feel lucky why? New york with 3 times more coppers got 20% raise over 4 yrs , I think...and to make matters worse we are stuck with a 5 yrs contract. Our contract r 4 yrs.And don t forget 1 1/2% goes to the medical. Don t compare us to PArk Ridge which might have 40 coppers to a city that has budgeted for 13,500 police and we might have 10,000 if we re lucky.The city has been stealing a lot of money from the police budget for the past 3yrs at least to pay for a good raise
HOO HUM
LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER.
NOT A PEEP AT THE MEETING
JUST GUYS THAT DIDNT BOTHER TO READ THE ARBITRATION.
Just came from the meeting and no fireworks at all concerning the contract. Not even a good turnout. Once again the membership doesn't really give a shit about what goes on with this department.
I did see Mike Sheilds from the Pension Board sitting in the back of the hall shaking hands. One has to wonder what his intentions are. The current leadership should be afraid...very affraid!!
Shields has saved our pension fund alot of money by keeping Huberman, Weiss and his Chronies out of our pension!!
I work in procurement. If you saw the mark up that SSI tacks on to everything the city purchases, you could easily see how us, the taxpayers and all the city employees that got laid off got screwed. We should post the SSI billings and the mayor explain the mark ups. Bring back the Purchase Order period.
I've heard everybody bitch about the outcome, but I'm surprised we weren't stuck worse. Maybe the FOP could have done better, but we all wanted arbitration and then we bitch about what we got. Actually, we aren't paying more for medical or taking unpaid furlo days, so in ways we came out ahead. our department isn't hiring, but as many major departments, we are not seeing layoffs. We may have not gotten that so called 16 percent raise, which i still don't believe shortshanks, but at least we didn't get hammered with giving back a raise with higher medical or unpaid furlo day. Plus we are short, but other major departments are even shorter with layoffs. Now is not the time to divde. That would give Daley a hardon that he hasn't had in the last 15 years. If we should be against anybody, it should be city hall. time and time again they try to fuck us anyway they can. Like I said I'm not completely happy with the FOP's role in arbitration, but to go against them now would just give us a great chance to be screwed by the city at their will.
Be thankful you got a raise.
SERIOUSLY - Be thankful you got a raise.
With so many people losing jobs in the private sector, taking a 10% pay CUT to just keep their job, or losing a job and having to take a job paying them 50% - 70% less than what they were getting paid, you did very well.
Be thankful you got a raise.
Not a cop. Not on the Payroll.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's kind of too late to bitch, isn't it?
We were without a contract for years and yet, the same crowd turns out for FOP meetings.
Few vote, even in the FOP election. And yet they bitch when things don't go their way.
Yeah, tempers will be hot, but where was this enthusiasm when the FOP's contract offer was being developed?
Where was it when we marched on city hall?
Will it be there when candidates that can actually do us some good need somone to hand out flyers or go door-to-door?
Will it be there when it's time to VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATIC REGIME that is choking the life out of Cook County and the City of Chicago?
4/20/2010 01:15:00 AM
I agree with you 110% except the last paragraph. If you think the Republicans are going to save the day for the working man boy you really are clueless.
We need a complete and total revolution in our country. Only the very rich and powerful get their own way while the poor and middle class pay the bills.
How many bullshit secret squirrel units do they need to make?? Fuck these clout bitch units and send them to patrol where we need them:
The new plan also creates a 100-person citywide mobile force made up of selected and volunteer police personnel dispatched based on gathered intelligence. New hot spot information would be routed twice a day to the deputy chiefs of each area, who would dispatch officers, while the citywide team would serve as backup, Weis said.
All the talk in the world isn't going to do anything about contract (already behind us) but some interesting heated shouting match came up at the meeting over some legislation regarding our pension. Apparently there is some legislation pending that would allow us to vote 3 pension board members from the general public as opposed to 1 from po's 1 from sgts and 1 from liutenants, like it is done now. It was pointed out that there are way more P.O.'s paying into pension and are therefore under represented on the board - considering that the current sgt and lt on the board have been accused of voting to deny legitimate disability claims of P.O.'s. Under new legislation, those same sgts and lt's would still be eligible to be voted in if they were doing a good job. Something seems out of whack with why the (sgt) pension board member was so against this legislation. Just something to pay attention to - it's only your money.
Free Cozzi!
Anonymous said:
with my step raises I figure between what im making now and what ill be making in august will be about 9000 more a year now... thats huge.
I hate to tell you this, but I think you are in for a HUGE disappointment!! Where are you getting your numbers?
Meeting at noon today?????? Now when the f*ck did this happen? Another great communication of an event by FOP.
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The cocksuckers never got the word out to ALL the members did they SCC? If we knew about this, a lot of my peers would have went and really tore them a new asshole at their noon meeting. Those sneaky cocksuckers. FOP, you really suck. Thanks for telling us you had a meeting planned. That really sucks, have a meeting and don't tell your members.
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Uh, dudes, seriously? It's a regularly scheduled meeting. It was in your FOP Book. It's always the third Tuesday of the month. no wonder this union is for shit if they let you be a member.
First of all I was disappointed at the turn out. We may have had a couple extra in attendance but it was the usual crowd. It was mostly people with time on the job or retired. I only saw a few young faces. That being said I stayed till approx 1330 when I had to leave to get my kids from school. Donahue took and answered all questions. What happened after that I do not know.
I understand why people are mad over a 10 percent raise over 5 years but I try to look at the big picture. We, for the first time I can remember in 20 years, did not get a increase in health care benefits. That always took a chunk out of our raises. We also stayed the same with uniform and will get more duty availability in 2010 and 2012. As for random alcohol testing I have no problem with that. The days are long gone when you can have a couple of "pops" while working. As far as I can see we did not, in reality, give anything back to the city. I know there were some issues people wanted heard but at least we did not go backward and made a couple of small steps forward.
I know some people will read this post and be angry but hey, it went to arbitration and it is what it is. Don't blame the FOP. They did not ask for arbitration, the city did. They did not pull the 16 percent off the table before negotiations, the city did. Also, take the time to actually read the arbitrators decision and do not go by what you hear. He makes some reasonable points and also states that this should not be considered precedent setting by the city.
If you want to get mad at someone get mad at Daley and his aldermen. Make sure you vote. Make your voice heard. Finally, make sure you go to a FOP meeting a couple of times a year. SCC is a great source for info but make sure you use more then one source.
And no, I am in no way connected to the FOP besides being a dues paying member.
Thanks SCC, sorry for the long post.
Meeting at noon today?????? Now when the f*ck did this happen? Another great communication of an event by FOP.
4/20/2010 01:11:00 PM
Uh Duh. Read the blog!
Dumb question from a non-cop....why do you call the mayor shortshanks?
To: wharej
Unit 603
4/20/2010 08:17:00 AM
My god have you lost it. If the city demands arbitration we have to go along with it. Just like if we demanded it the City would have to go along with it. Also we cannot strike due to STATE LAW. I know you have major issues with the FOP but please stick to the truth. I have supported some of your positions over the years but not your last post.
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I dont care what any of you say..
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Well that's because you're an idiot who's trying to pimp for Daley and his corruption of the city's biggest contract arbiter.
Read the most important paragraph out of all the dribble Benn used to cover his ass in his "decision":
The City isn't claiming an INABILITY to pay the raise, they claim an UNWILLINGNESS to pay a raise.
So with this statement firmly in his mind, he acknowledges he's fully aware that Daley just doesn't wanna pay the CPD a raise.
Yet, this idiot uses all the tripe and pablem he could google to help support his claim of a poor economy even when the city is fully capable of paying the raise.
Your crap falls on deaf ears around here nutmuncher. Anyone who read his garbage knows he sold out the CPD for more business from Daley, and his own words admit it.
Please curtail the winning already.
Stop the shit about the Supt and FOP.
The mayor is the one who is laughing. The FOP did their job the only way they could. You young copper' were shouting down that offer the mayor gave back when.
The Supt does NOT control what we are paid. He did more for the CPD then most of the former Supt.'
Keep on listening to Northern' b.s. kids !!!!
30 plus copper.
As far as the "no raise in Medical Benefits " I was told that was misleading, as we have a multiplier that raises your contributions when we get a salary raise.
attention KMA'ers, if u havent signed up for tostop, do it as soon as possible. when they attain a certain amount of officers who have signed up, say 3000, they will freeze that number. program will start around june hopefully for 2 1/2 years. hurry up OLD TIMERS, dont let the hairgels get the upper hand on this 1. normally i will not attempt to suggest 1 is better than another, but u hairgels started the battle by complaining about us OLD TIMERS getting all the special. when we and you started the job, those were the rules about seniority, they shouldn't change just because u guys and girls are a bunch of crybabies.
We should feel lucky why? New york with 3 times more coppers got 20% raise over 4 yrs , I think...
new york has been trying to catch up with what chicago makes for years.. new york was due to get a big bump. starting pay in new york a few years back was 26000 for the first 18 months. after that your in the high 30s.. in chicago after 18 months you were at 58000... see where im coming from.. and I guess you didnt read the arbitration award about what the arbitrator said about comparing chicago to other big city police departments and raises.. if you would read it, you would understand. but no, people want to spout off first without knowing facts and reasons why the arbitrator ruled the way he did.. I would expect for our next contract to be a bigger percent raise...however, we will get hit with medical costs again. It all fluctuates, after 4 1/2 years a copper in chicago under the new contract will be making almost 75000... in california, where the cost of living is in most cases double or even triple that of chicago coppers with 4 years on are making about 85000... I think thats a pretty good comparison of what we are making.. we make alot of money compared to others... we have gotten spoiled over the past 10 years in what we make.
Be glad we got some type of raise..I have friends that have worked for the city for 30yrs and are takin days offf and loosin big money. Im not happy with the FLOP in any way, but thank god i dont have to find a way to replace the money some are missing....
To those who are trying yo stir the pot... So sorry.
After the weekend people had the chance to talk to people who are the voice of reason. We ende up OK. THe City got to put their spin on the outcome first and took credit like they got the big win. Who gives a fuck. Yes it would have been nice to get more but we are far bettter off than many.
There is light at the end of the tunnel for you young whipper snappers in that the older guys are likely to take the free medical. Then you guys can snap up all the secondary employment. Be careful of what you wish for because soon you will be the old timers. Never thought I would be in a position to say that.
Keep a positive disposition because this job is not that bad. Don't let the circus control you. That makes you week. Be happy we have this job because things could be much worse. Open your eyes and look at your non police / fire friends and neighbors.
Live within your means, stay out of debit, stash as much as you can into alternate long term savings. When all is said and done you will be able to live aq nice life-style when the time come for you to pull the plug. We all deserve that.
The grass is not usually greener on the other side.
Stay safe and Gog bless you all...
OT: Just spoke to someone who had a doctors appointment today. Shocking news about ObamaCare if true. As of Jan 2010, Medicare started paying doctors $33 an hour. If they saw 1 patient, or 8 in that hour they got a total of $33. Starting in April the govt reduced it to $24.50 an hour. So a heart surgeon who spends 7 hours working on a patient during surgery gets $171.50 from Medicare. The nurses working for the doctors are making more money then the doctors right now! This is Medicare, which we pay into, not Medicaid which is a medical welfare entitlement.
4/20/2010 01:11:00 PM
It's in your FOP book fucktard.
I still think there should be some investigative reporting on the Shields family before this goof decides he is running as FOP president. His election would cause us to lose more. Mike Shields has cast alot of stones and he could be living in a glass house. You think Donahue sold us down the river now, wait a few years.
First of all....I think that we all need to be registered to vote...every family member possible. Vote against Daley and every alderperson in office. It's time for a change...let's show them that we are sick and tired of the jobs they have been doing. I personally don't think the FOP can win against the city...it's just too damn powerful and corrupt. Let's start at the top and work our way down. Take out the leader and the soldiers will fall. I haven't seen one single alderman stand up against daley and tell him that it is his fault that our city is falling apart. I was born here, I live here, I work here, this is my home...and it's worth fighting for because of my family and friends. I'm not going to run. I'm going to fight for what is right...by voting against the people who are responsible for the problems that we have. Our way of living is and has been in trouble for quite awhile now. Let's do something about it. Vote em all out. Time for a change...enough is enough already...Miriam Santos should come out of hiding and kick some a!! I'd vote for her in a second. She knew what was right and wrong...
FREE BILL COZZI !!
Raises will show up in your check on July 16th. Retro checks by Aug. 1st. From a FOP rep.
Some recession, huh? How can the mayor pay J-FLED $300,000 a year?! WOW, is the city getting their moneys worth ~ NOT!
4/20/2010 05:45:00 PM
No truer words were ever spoken by a Progressive blog troll. The economy was ruined by actions set in motion by Obama, Dodd and Franks. We are victims to this sorry loser mentality by being forced to live in the Peoples Democratic Republic of Chicago to keep our jobs. How is that Hope and Change stuff working for you guys? I'm surprised by how many of you are accepting this insult of a contract, and all the other insults that have been shoved down our throat since Daley began his pet project of breaking the back of Chicago's Finest. Reading these posts I see a once proud Police Department being turned into the Progressive's lapdogs.
Where is your outrage? When one of our brothers or sisters gets killed these same scum come and weep aligator tears over their coffins. Are you not tired of the constant insults being hurled at us?
They had money to have the Winter Olympics here in Chicago, where did it go? They continue to expand an airport that the airlines don't even want, so that contracts can be given to their cronies.
The useless teachers in our public school system recieved a 14% raise, for what? They aren't even required to get their raises for merit only attendence.
We are being sent out there under manned, under equiped and with the worse leadership in this departments history. I cannot believe the apathy that is plaguing us.
Some of you understand it but so many more don't. How much more of these insults are you going to take?
The aldercreatures gave themselves raises and $1 million dollars slush fund each to spend at their descretion. Yet many of the posts I read here said that we got a fair contract for the times. Fair?
When will you see another contract when this abomination runs it's course? 2016 or 2020?
Hate me, flame me. Good, set those embers back on fire like we used to have and don't take this shit lying down. Call FOP and let them knwo how you really feel. This city asks way too much for what you're expected to do and then they treat us like this.
Good luck guys and stay safe.
... Anonymous said...
For those of you that are advocating the yellow ribbon at St. Jude, please don't.
St. Jude is for honoring the men and women that gave their lives for the people of this City. It is not the time for politics. That time comes this fall when the criminals are voted out of office.
4/20/2010 09:52:00 AM...
Please wear YELLOW RIBBONS!
We do march to honor and remember our fallen brothers and sisters.
But, we also gather to show solidarity with each other in a way that can't be shown any at other time.
We want to show J-Fled that we can't stand him, what he did to Bill Cozzi and the way he has destroyed the department. We have suffered one moral outrage after another, and we have failed to have our voices heard. When will J-Fled even have several thousand cops in front of him essentially giving him the “No Confidence Vote”.
Shortshanks won’t be there, but he would hear about it. Will he care, probably not, except if thinks he finally awoke the sleep giant.
I think of this more as a matter of honor, not politics.
Stay safe, for God's sake, just this once please wear the Yellow Ribbons.
With so many people losing jobs in the private sector, taking a 10% pay CUT to just keep their job, or losing a job and having to take a job paying them 50% - 70% less than what they were getting paid, you did very well.
Be thankful you got a raise.
Not a cop. Not on the Payroll.
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Yeah, we can tell you're not the police.
In my 20+ years on the job I've been shot at, stabbed, spit on and bitten by people with AIDS and Hepatitis B. I've been kicked in the nuts, punched in the face, involved in some serious car crashes, etc, etc, etc. I've also been sued multiple times just for doing my job. These things are typical of most of my brothers and sisters in blue.
Now go back to your safe little cubicle where you're surrounded by pictures of your family and Dilbert cartoons and kindly fuck off.
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Remember brothers and sisters that this is just one battle. We must win the WAR, and vote this piece of SHIT out of office!
Stay safe, watch each others backs, and make an arrest and get off the street. If there are no cars to respond shame on the midget for not hiring!
VOTE NO TO DALEY!!!!!!!!!!
OT: About 1600hrs today, I am heading S/bound on Western at Pershing. Then comes an unmarked driven by 2 m/2's and Eddie Burke in the back on his phone. Does it really take 2 P/O's to drive this fool around? You 2 must be really proud when you tell your families what you do everyday. Fucking sellouts!
Anonymous said:
with my step raises I figure between what im making now and what ill be making in august will be about 9000 more a year now... thats huge.
I hate to tell you this, but I think you are in for a HUGE disappointment!! Where are you getting your numbers?
20 YEAR GUY GETTING HIS STEP RAISE- HE IS PROBABLY RIGHT. DO THE MATH.
First of all I was disappointed at the turn out. We may have had a couple extra in attendance but it was the usual crowd. It was mostly people with time on the job or retired. I only saw a few young faces. That being said I stayed till approx 1330 when I had to leave to get my kids from school. Donahue took and answered all questions. What happened after that I do not know.
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Because all the young faces are on 3rd watch or most likely on midnights and are sleeping during the day.
017 is 1 goof less. Now all we have to do is get rid of groucho and Lt Heavens to Mergatriod.
By Kenneth B. May we never have to deal with you again!!
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Hmmm... Touched a nerve there boys?
Wasn't there a meeting to be prepared for? Or did you guys actually have time to drag the blog to try to get in front of the ire of the membership?
No. It never gets old pointing out that current fop leadership gets it's marching orders from daley.
Yes. Accused of being crazy on occasion so what's your point exactly?
The pizza? Just an indicator of the tragedy & comedy that is fop.
Reading is fundamental. A call-out for fop leaders being sell-outs. Not a call-out of fop membership as a whole.
Reading is fundamental II. We think the blogmeisters were quite sharp enough to see we were speaking in the literal sense as to the real dirty business of negotiation with the city. One side had the stomach for it, the other side didn't... Guess which side had the interests of the membership as their supposed main purpose? Guess again as to which side came up short?
Do you honestly think SCC would have posted anything advocating actually harming Jim Franczek? Not very likely if not at all. And further more, why throw HIS name out there to just to prove a point?
Perhaps if some of you weren't seen breaking bread with daley and the like, your guilty conscience wouldn't be kicking you in the ass.
We will see what is what and who lands in cushy double-dip gigs after all is said and done.
GFY but stay safe while doing it.
From another thread:
I just wasted the last 5 years of mylife working in this shit hole. My raise won't eve3n cover how much my taxes went up on my house. Shit park districts and schools.
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You have 5 years on? What did you expect when you came on. Weren't the wages explained to you? First year this much, couple more years, this much? Five years this much? I'm sorry you aren't getting top pay yet. Heres some news: NONE OF US GOT TOP PAY AFTER 5 YEARS. PUT IN SOME TIME, DO SOME WORK, GO TO COURT, WORK SPECIAL OR TAKE A SIDE JOB. Jesus, the fucking whining that goes on here, and at the station makes me sick. News bulletin: this job will not make you rich. Ever. Real estate taxes too high? Mine are too. But I work to pay them so my family can live in a nice house in a solid neighborhood. If yours are too much for you, then fucking move. This would be where someone says "we can't move-residency". Again, you knew that coming in. I guess I'd like the option to move out, but I knew that I would have to live in the City to be on this job. Besides, if you move to the promised land of the suburbs, you will be wishing for the tax bill you got in Chicago. Talk to your friends in Tinley, Orland, Palos, Norridge and Schaumburg and ask them what they're paying.
And while you're talking to those suburban friends, ask how many of them get 20-35 days off a year (furlo+P-days+BFD) or how many of them can be off sick for a year at full pay. That's IF they are working. Ask them how it feels to go to work in private industry with the hammer over their head every day, the hammer of businesses folding or downsizing. Then ask them what would happen if they did absolutely nothing all day or just the minimum at their job, like so many coppers do. And don't tell me how everybody on the job is busting their asses, because we all know that is a fucking lie. Do you work in a district? Next time you go to checkoff wait to check off last, then see what your co-workers are doing. Yea I know, you are so busy answering calls there's no time to get any activity. That's bullshit, and you know it. Besides there will always be PO's with some pride who carry the watch in one way or the other. Because, believe me, there are a very large number of coppers who, if they took their work ethic to private industry would be lucky to keep a job flippin fuckin burgers.
Yea, more money would have been nice, but maybe we should all thank our lucky stars that we didn't get a pay cut, that the health premiums didn't go up, and that no one has to take furlo days (except the exempts) and that no one is getting laid off.
So take some pride in what you do, quit bitching and whining, and try looking at the glass as half full, instead of empty.
25 yrs
Be thankful you got a raise.
SERIOUSLY - Be thankful you got a raise.
With so many people losing jobs in the private sector, taking a 10% pay CUT to just keep their job, or losing a job and having to take a job paying them 50% - 70% less than what they were getting paid, you did very well.
Be thankful you got a raise.
Not a cop. Not on the Payroll.
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I understand that, but we don't do a normal 9-5 job. One of the reasons we take this job is the job security that went with it. The 10% is a slap in the face is because the aldermen vote theirselfs a 6% raise and vertually every other city union received 4% a year over their contract. We get 1% and 2% per year over our contract. We always get shafted because we can't strike. They let the contract expire for 3 years then cry poor. I'm greatful to have a job, but think we shoud have received what every other union received. Soon the garbage men will make more then us.
"Meeting at noon today?????? Now when the f*ck did this happen? Another great communication of an event by FOP."
Hey, dumbfuck: It is the third Tuesday of the month, every month except July and August. Odd number months are 7:00pm, even number months are noon.
And it has been that way for more than 12 years.
...and they send out a flier for the bulletin board.
...and it is printed in your FOP book.
Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and be just a little more aware.
Maybe the city will be nice and give us the the missing 6% in 2012 when the economy recovers. What do you think????????
There were no fireworks at the FOP mtg today just like it should be. It was a frank discussion about the process with the president answering all questions as it should be. Lets turn our attention to our pension. This contract stuff is behind us. There are some big things on the horizon that are going to have a negative effect on our pension and we MUST have a united front on this issue. This is just as important as the contract.
Meeting at noon today?????? Now when the f*ck did this happen? Another great communication of an event by FOP.
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Um, this is the regularly scheduled meeting that happens every month, third Tuesday of the month, alternating times of either noon or 7 p.m. Where the hell have you been? Or are you the 2-year hair-gel police?
Anonymous said...
Meeting at noon today?????? Now when the f*ck did this happen? Another great communication of an event by FOP.
4/20/2010 01:11:00 PM
The calendar of General Meetings for THE WHOLE YEAR is in that little old FOP book that got mailed to you last December. And every December. Great job of reading it. FOP General Meetings have ALWAYS been in the FOP book. Just look.
Great job someone did of educating you and teaching you to read. Maybe you can sue for damages for for the lousy job your schools did.
In addition, there is a poster listing the date of the next FOP General Meeting posted on the FOP bulletin board in each unit. Great job you did in looking at it.
Oh, and that FOP newsletter that gets mailed to your house each month, the date of the next FOP General Meeting is in their also. Great job you did of noticing it.
It is also on the FOP web site.
I pray you are not a detective. How the f*ck did you ever find your way to the police exam?
Anonymous said...
Meeting at noon today?????? Now when the f*ck did this happen? Another great communication of an event by FOP.
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The cocksuckers never got the word out to ALL the members did they SCC? If we knew about this, a lot of my peers would have went and really tore them a new asshole at their noon meeting. Those sneaky cocksuckers. FOP, you really suck. Thanks for telling us you had a meeting planned. That really sucks, have a meeting and don't tell your members.
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Jesus H. Christ, how dumb are some of you people? How the hell do you know when to put up the Christmas Tree? Does someone have to tell you? And what about the 4th of July, how do you find out about that one every year? Personal notification? Or your birthday? Or New Year's Day and all that stuff, jeez, it really sucks when no one notifies you personally about all those happenings. Damned FOP.
Psst, if you are too dumb to find out when and where the meetings are, then you don't belong there, it is a little test the FOP concocted to keep stupid people out.
Seems to work fine too.
FOP has been selling you out since 1982- the year of the first contract. That contract was not a union contract, it was a management contract. Since 1982 they have said the same thing over and over again- we just have to get a foot in the door.
Get this through your thick skulls- FOP is management. Period. They should be reimbursing your dues for all the damage they have done.
They refuse to file unfair labor practices on anything the city does not want them too. I know three people who had to hire their own lawyers to fight the city because FOP REFUSED TO HELP THEM!
FOP has always stood for F@#k Our Police. That is what they have done since 1982.
No truer words were ever spoken by a Progressive blog troll. The economy was ruined by actions set in motion by Obama, Dodd and Franks. We are victims to this sorry loser mentality by being forced to live in the Peoples Democratic Republic of Chicago to keep our jobs. How is that Hope and Change stuff working for you guys? I'm surprised by how many of you are accepting this insult of a contract, and all the other insults that have been shoved down our throat since Daley began his pet project of breaking the back of Chicago's Finest. Reading these posts I see a once proud Police Department being turned into the Progressive's lapdogs.
Where is your outrage? When one of our brothers or sisters gets killed these same scum come and weep aligator tears over their coffins. Are you not tired of the constant insults being hurled at us?
They had money to have the Winter Olympics here in Chicago, where did it go? They continue to expand an airport that the airlines don't even want, so that contracts can be given to their cronies.
You lost me at winter olympics in Chicago
OT - Would like to say thanks to a couple of 022nd District officers that helped out a sergeant Saturday nite. I appreciate what you guys did for me. I hope one day to return the favor.
I hope FOP has been spending the day commenting on this page. I don't want to think that POs are willing to roll over like this. These comments about why we didn't deserve more could have been written by the City negotiating team.
Daley and the FOP are scarred out of their wits by Shields - why does this scare so many of you.
The fight now is in Springfield - I guess we've given the FOP a pass on the contract - lets turn up the heat on the pending legislation. NO EXCUSES!
There are two truths; 1. the Democrats in Springfield will do what they can to screw us over; and 2. the FOP will endorse them in November.
Anonymous said...
See How FLOP ignores memebers and Disrepects them at this meeting!!!!!! DECERTIFY Wed be better off with PBPA
4/20/2010 06:12:00 AM
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SGT. Michael J. Lazzaro
You sold out long ago to the city on didsability cases for po's that is why ypu are worried about any at large election. Your time id over.
The Supt does NOT control what we are paid. He did more for the CPD then most of the former Supt.'
Keep on listening to Northern' b.s. kids !!!!
30 plus copper.
4/20/2010 07:24:00 PM
SO, DUDE, YOU'RE OK WITH THE COZZI THING.
YOU ARE A JAG
Anonymous said...
First of all I was disappointed at the turn out. We may have had a couple extra in attendance but it was the usual crowd. It was mostly people with time on the job or retired. I only saw a few young faces. That being said I stayed till approx 1330 when I had to leave to get my kids from school. Donahue took and answered all questions. What happened after that I do not know.
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Because all the young faces are on 3rd watch or most likely on midnights and are sleeping during the day.
4/20/2010 09:41:00 PM
Not an excuse. I have worked 1st and 3rd watch and have been able to make meetings. So you are a little tried. Big deal. We have all been there. If you dont want to show up say so.
Anonymous said...
"Meeting at noon today?????? Now when the f*ck did this happen? Another great communication of an event by FOP."
Hey, dumbfuck: It is the third Tuesday of the month, every month except July and August. Odd number months are 7:00pm, even number months are noon.
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DUH, I gots two years a collage. Dey musta hid dat stuff from me.
Not much to discuss, theyre done as far as Im concerned. If you are on facebook, join the group FOP 7 NO CONFIDENCE. Over 300 members in 3 days!!!!!!!
4/20/2010 11:18:00 AM
HOLY FUCK! FACEBOOK!!! Ok, that counts! Thats where shit makes a difrence! Not like the 41% who VOTED in the FOP election... dumbass
Donahue stood there and answered every question for an hour and a half. Did not blow off one question but the his comment after all of the other officer reports were done tells us where the big war will fought. Pension reform! That's why Mike Shield will not run president. It is a no win situation for him. I like the kid right were he is at.
There will be a election voter registration drive coming. We have to become our own acorn! We will have to form a coalition with other unions and get rid of shortshanks. That means you will have get off your ass and do something to make that happen. Not one 2 hour picket line. And if you did not know there was a meeting today them you probably could not find a policeman in a police station either.
P.S. Read the whole decision. Page 53 item # 7 especially. He basically penalizes us for not having to take unpaid furlo days.
P.P.S. I have a kid across the alley from me who works behind a garbage truck. They are taking 24 UNPAID furlo days now. Friday they were told they may go to a 4 day work week with a day off group. That’s a 20% cut in pay if they got that handed to them. I think they will work with us if we get off our butts!
page 75 of the contract, there will be no changes to health care, HOWEVER, the lodge is given the option to join the LMCC WITH THREE (3) TRUSTEES sitting on that committee as PROPOSED BY THE CITY.
This is what needs to be discussed in an open forum at the FOP meetings. the capts/lts are part of this LCMM and the city is pushing for the police & fire to join.
CFD is opposed to the LCMM for good reasons, the make-up is from all unions deciding on ALL HEALTHCARE ISSUES.
With ONLY THREE SEATS allowed for police, what do you think is going to happen to our healthcare, sick days, etc.
is the FOP going to allow the membership to vote on this or will it be a backroom deal!
VERY, VERY, IMPORTANT!
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
"'Will it be there when it's time to VOTE OUT THE DEMOCRATIC REGIME that is choking the life out of Cook County and the City of Chicago?'
4/20/2010 01:15:00 AM
I agree with you 110% except the last paragraph. If you think the Republicans are going to save the day for the working man boy you really are clueless.
We need a complete and total revolution in our country. Only the very rich and powerful get their own way while the poor and middle class pay the bills."
I didn't really mean to say that the Republicans would do any better, but you've got to admit, the Daleys, the Strogers, The Madigans, et al, ad nauseum, aren't doing us any good at this point and obviously feel that it's okay to steal all they can...The Chicagoan in the White House has apparently empowered them.
VOTE OUT INCUMBENTS...a revolution may not be far behind.
This is not a joke but can someone tell me what would happen if I pulled out of the FOP? Am I legally bound to pay them? Can I dissolve my agreement with them? I don't think I would ever need them. Haven't needed them much and when I did they weren't any help so i don't see the point. I could use that cash.
Anonymous said...
017 is 1 goof less. Now all we have to do is get rid of groucho and Lt Heavens to Mergatriod.
By Kenneth B. May we never have to deal with you again!!
4/20/2010 09:40:00 PM
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What changes were made?
You humps can't even trouble yourselves to show up at the Area with decent food for P.O's fighting for their lives & livelihoods at the post-shooting circus/exempt display of incompetence, lip-smacking, preening, belittling subordinates and kissing the asses of even higher ranking exempts, resident alderfools & running-dog rev'runs... er, we mean round table. One thing for sure, we will admit that the pizza has been reliably shitty over the years at least. Thanks guys.
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HUH!!! You're beefing about the pizza? What do you want them to do, have a full caterer on retainer?
last year of the contract is 1%,and when that year expires it will probably take another 2 years to sighn a new contract. that means three years at 1% raise a year. what a joke not even the cost of living. i waited 2 and a half years for that but the city keeps paying out millions in lawsuits. they should just say they are broke we cant pay you dog,like they told us.
4/20/2010 10:16:00 PM
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And may I add, it is the third Tuesday of EVERY month!
It rotates from a 1900 start to a 1200 start every other month.
I'm fled-up!
Boston Fire just got 19%
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/04/20/panel_oks_firefighter_drug_tests_19_raise/
4/20/2010 09:51:00 AM
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And read some of the fine Boston citizen's comments....wow!
page 75 of the contract, there will be no changes to health care, HOWEVER, the lodge is given the option to join the LMCC WITH THREE (3) TRUSTEES sitting on that committee as PROPOSED BY THE CITY.
This is what needs to be discussed in an open forum at the FOP meetings. the capts/lts are part of this LCMM and the city is pushing for the police & fire to join.
CFD is opposed to the LCMM for good reasons, the make-up is from all unions deciding on ALL HEALTHCARE ISSUES.
With ONLY THREE SEATS allowed for police, what do you think is going to happen to our healthcare, sick days, etc.
is the FOP going to allow the membership to vote on this or will it be a backroom deal!
VERY, VERY, IMPORTANT!
4/20/2010 11:34:00 PM
I know I'm lazy. SCC could you provide more information on this? The decision, I believe had what was written above.
Anonymous said...
Boston Fire just got 19%
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/04/20/panel_oks_firefighter_drug_tests_19_raise/
4/20/2010 09:51:00 AM
Even with their 19% raise I will still be paid more as a 25 year PO on the CPD.
Anonymous said...
This is not a joke but can someone tell me what would happen if I pulled out of the FOP? Am I legally bound to pay them? Can I dissolve my agreement with them? I don't think I would ever need them. Haven't needed them much and when I did they weren't any help so i don't see the point. I could use that cash.
4/21/2010 12:58:00 AM
Good idea, call the FOP office and do it today. 312-733-7776
Then when the city tries to fire you or give you suspension time for something and you think it is unfair you can have the privilege of paying for your own lawyer and paying for your own representation to help you enforce your contract.
To: wharej
Unit 603
4/20/2010 08:17:00 AM
My god have you lost it. If the city demands arbitration we have to go along with it. Just like if we demanded it the City would have to go along with it. Also we cannot strike due to STATE LAW. I know you have major issues with the FOP but please stick to the truth. I have supported some of your positions over the years but not your last post.
Let me put it another way:
I am all for arb. i know we can't strike nor would i call for one!
When arb is called for by either side it must happen
The points are:
Would Markie still be negotiating this contract if THE MAYOR had not called for arb? scary huh!!!
Arb is for the UNION to use not the Mayor
Markie was negotiating this contract by since March 2007 for a contract that was to end 30 June 2007. Do you really think contact negotiations take this long?
And Do you really believe that Markie is on a level playing field with the Mayor and his lackeys NO NO NO
ARB is the best thing that we could hope for
the secret is not to wait more than a year to call for arb.
IF markie would have did what the mayor did 18 months ago maybe the arb decision would not have been viewed so much in the context of the economy.
Markie will tell you he couldn't call for arb earlier OK but is almost 3 years enough time Markie it sure was enough for the mayor
wharej
unit 603
Anonymous said...
017 is 1 goof less. Now all we have to do is get rid of groucho and Lt Heavens to Mergatriod.
By Kenneth B. May we never have to deal with you again!!
Did Capt. Kenny retire, oh my!!!
This is not a joke but can someone tell me what would happen if I pulled out of the FOP? Am I legally bound to pay them? Can I dissolve my agreement with them? I don't think I would ever need them. Haven't needed them much and when I did they weren't any help so i don't see the point. I could use that cash.
I emailed Donahue....he never answered me back. I feel the same way. Why pay for what you dont get or dont use!!
Anonymous said...
page 75 of the contract, there will be no changes to health care, HOWEVER, the lodge is given the option to join the LMCC WITH THREE (3) TRUSTEES sitting on that committee as PROPOSED BY THE CITY.
is the FOP going to allow the membership to vote on this or will it be a backroom deal!
VERY, VERY, IMPORTANT!
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This issue has been discussed at least five meeting over the last two years. The city’s people came to the FOP hall and could not answer 70% of the 40 questions they were asked. The city’s people have never been back.!
To those who want to become fair share members go ahead. With all of the goofs we got only five have put their money where there mouth is. And to the couple of posters who complaint they had to get their own layer because FOP declined to represent them please put your name on your post and what you did that you needed a lawyer that the board refused to provide! Board meeting are also open to the membership.
Saw Mike Seiser at the meeting yesterday. Apparently Mike wants to run it!
That contract that the mayor "pulled" for 16% for 5 years was worse then the one the arbitrator handed down anyways. Nobody seems to remember with that offer the city gave we would have gotten NO RETRO. Our retro would went straight to our pension fund. Fop still blows though
7:24 PM
My "b.s."???
I beg your pardon. Specifics, please?
GOTTA RUN!
We don't need the fop to be a middle man for lawsuits. you call them and say i need a lawyer their secretary calls a lawyer and he/she meets you wherever
Well the FOP is a Fraternal Order of Police it is not a union. Remember that. I called for an issue on a overtime check, becuase time kepper didn't put right amount in. they said wait to next pay check, regardless I got paid the following pay day but it was like pulling teeth. they are useless.
what we need? qualified police to run for public office here. an alderman or 2 would help our cause to start. getting our families,friends and pro police residents in the 8th and 016th district is a start. if you cant beat them.... these rats only respect the ballot box.
Re blue lights:
Right!
Leave lights on during all responses to all calls?
So the prisoner watches at hospitals, station assignments, covering for crossing guards, accident scenes???? All blue light jobs? (just to mention a very few)
How many batteries does the city plan to have on hand?
"As#hole magnets" ordered by
A giant as#hole.
Everybody chill the hell out! The city played a master stroke here (not our masters stroke, mind you)...Instead of us being po'd at the city, we are divided. Angry at our union. THE CITY PULLED THE OFFER. AND DIDN'T OFFER IT AT ARBITRATION. The city KNOWS we go to arbitration. And KNOWS we get mad regardless of the outcome...what better way to deflect blame than to offer and RETRACT a hollow token? Jeez, people, are we all new to the shitcago way????
If this is the best that FOP can do after 2plus yrs of negotiating, then it's time to clean the slate. VOTE EVERY CURRENT FOP REP, TRUSTEE, AND OFFICER OUT OF OFFICE NEXT ELECTION!!!!!!! The reason that Daley and the City can propose such an unacceptable offer in the first place is because Daley has NO repsect for Donahue and FOP, or Donahue and FOP just aren't tough enough on Daley and the City when it comes to negotiations. Ask yourself this " DO YOU REALLY FEEL INSIDE THAT FOP WENT 110% OUT FOR THE MEMBERSHIP?" If you can't say w/o hesitation YES, then you know what the answer is, what must be done. Other than Legal Representation what doe FOP really get us???
Remember this "VOTE OUT ALL THE CURERENT FOP" because it can't get any worse.
P.S. Hey Kevin Grahm quit trying to spin this as being really a good deal for the membership. Oh yea and I'm tired of hearing about all your POLICE EXPERIENCE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION with the Cook Copunty Forest Preserve Police prior to you coming on this job. Your out too!
BOX CHEVY PHARTFACE SAYS:
Perhaps if some of you weren't seen breaking bread with daley and the like, your guilty conscience wouldn't be kicking you in the ass.
A SANE PERSON SAYS:
Are you fucking kidding? Please state the time and the date that some FOP officers were seen breaking bread with Daley, you fucking jerk off lying bag of shit moron. You ignorant union haters are Daley's real minions. You're just too dumb to realize it.
As you were, semper stupid.
Guys, stop bickering and figure out how to win the next one. USE YOUR HEADS. Divert that anger into postive actions toward removing the assholes that created this atmosphere. Every guy that says he's fed up but won't even take the time to vote has NO RIGHT to complain. Call them out first. THEY are the problem.
I understand 10% was not the goal but you don't want to kill the golden goose. Read the comments from the Boston Fire article. You don't want people coming after you guys with torches and pitchforks. You should have readily given up random testing for something good. That should be a no-brainer. A major part of union problems is protecting dog-asses. We have to trim the fat.
Times are changing. unions need to learn how to better get along or many will be a thing of the past.
Not a cop, union for life.
...Anonymous said...
You humps can't even trouble yourselves to show up at the Area with decent food for P.O's fighting for their lives & livelihoods at the post-shooting circus/exempt display of incompetence, lip-smacking, preening, belittling subordinates and kissing the asses of even higher ranking exempts, resident alderfools & running-dog rev'runs... er, we mean round table. One thing for sure, we will admit that the pizza has been reliably shitty over the years at least. Thanks guys.
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HUH!!! You're beefing about the pizza? What do you want them to do, have a full caterer on retainer?
4/21/2010 01:34:00 AM...
Our W.C. and sergeant took us out to Bar Louie for lunch after we were involved in a shooting one night. We talked for a good long time there before going home after the round table.
Thanks Boss.
this is Dilbert, please leave me out of this! I support you coppers.
This is not a joke but can someone tell me what would happen if I pulled out of the FOP? Am I legally bound to pay them? Can I dissolve my agreement with them? I don't think I would ever need them. Haven't needed them much and when I did they weren't any help so i don't see the point. I could use that cash.
4/21/2010 12:58:00 AM
you will still have money taken out and have absolutely no representation. no raises, fired on the spot for anything stupid . unless u rich and can afford all o your own good luck, but make sure you got buyers for all your equipment because its idiots like you that wont last.
Can someone tell me what the FOP leaders get paid each year? Is it true that they pay themselves extra from what the city pays them?
Some officers Perception is that we turned down or lost a 16.1% raise and got only 10%.
But the city offer was contingent on our giving up our uniform pay of $1,800, and duty availability of $2,920. Plus an increase in hospitalization. This is about$5,000.
So lets see, the city offer of 16% raises equates to this for a P.O making 75,000, 70K salary and 5K in uniform and duty avail:
1st year lose $5,000, but get 4.1% raise on 70,000, or 2,870, for loss of 2,100 or so.
2nd to 5th year - lose 5K, but get 3% on 70,000 plus previous years raises coumpounded for about 2,100to 2,200 a year.
So each year our net loss would be about $2,800. (about 13,000 total for five years)
So, how is that a bad deal?
The way I perceive it, we are about $7,000 ahead (1,400 a year for 5 years) instead of 13,000 behind, a $20,000 difference.
And we did it during a bad recession.
We won. FUCK DALEY.
As a detective who has handled many police shootings, I cannot believe the morons who posted about the FOP supplying pizza during a police officer involved shooting investigation. Are fucking kidding me??? Is this what it has all come down to? You're upset at the FOP because of the food they supply? I am so glad I am on the down side of my career, it's idiots like you who make me ashamed to be a Chicago Police Officer. More than likely the assholes who complained about pizza being the only faire, are the same do-nothing assholes who had nothing to do with the police shooting but come upstairs to the detective division to get the free fucking pizza.
Anonymous said...
Can someone tell me what the FOP leaders get paid each year? Is it true that they pay themselves extra from what the city pays them?
4/21/2010 08:29:00 PM
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Wayne please give it a rest. You will NEVER be president of the union.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Be thankful you got a raise.
SERIOUSLY - Be thankful you got a raise.
With so many people losing jobs in the private sector, taking a 10% pay CUT to just keep their job, or losing a job and having to take a job paying them 50% - 70% less than what they were getting paid, you did very well.
Be thankful you got a raise.
Not a cop. Not on the Payroll.
Yeah, your right...not a cop. Come run down a dark alley at midnight chasing some mutt, or stop a car with 4 jagoffs in it on a deserted side street, or wait in line for an hour to pay your respects to an officer that died protecting big-mouth chumps like you! GO FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE!!!!!
Anonymous said...
If this is the best that FOP can do after 2plus yrs of negotiating, then it's time to clean the slate. VOTE EVERY CURRENT FOP REP, TRUSTEE, AND OFFICER OUT OF OFFICE NEXT ELECTION!!!!!!! The reason that Daley and the City can propose such an unacceptable offer in the first place is because Daley has NO repsect for Donahue and FOP, or Donahue and FOP just aren't tough enough on Daley and the City when it comes to negotiations. Ask yourself this " DO YOU REALLY FEEL INSIDE THAT FOP WENT 110% OUT FOR THE MEMBERSHIP?" If you can't say w/o hesitation YES, then you know what the answer is, what must be done. Other than Legal Representation what doe FOP really get us???
Remember this "VOTE OUT ALL THE CURERENT FOP" because it can't get any worse.
P.S. Hey Kevin Grahm quit trying to spin this as being really a good deal for the membership. Oh yea and I'm tired of hearing about all your POLICE EXPERIENCE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION with the Cook Copunty Forest Preserve Police prior to you coming on this job. Your out too!
4/21/2010 12:50:00 PM
Ok, please then tell us all, what would you do differently? Exactly, spell it out, how would you do things differently? Because you seem to have some strong opinions, I hope that those opinions are backed up with a creative and strong plan of action.
Tell us how you will lead the union to the fair settlement you feel we should have received. Explain also how you would present the case to an arbitrator and the argument you would use.
Perhaps we all will learn something.
Or maybe you are like so many others, have no real idea how to do it differently, you just like to scream to vote everyone out so the dream team can come in and make it all right.
And that dream team of union leaders will come right on in there and tell mayor daley that he better give us what they want or else, or else, or else.... what? That's the sticking point, or else what exactly.
Tell us how you will lead the union to the promised land of everybody getting everything they want when they want it.
I will wait for a reply.
Mark Donahue is worthless and seems to think he is above us grunts in blue. Hey Mark time to go back to a district, your OUT!!! MA 019
Anonymous said...
Mark Donahue is worthless and seems to think he is above us grunts in blue. Hey Mark time to go back to a district, your OUT!!! MA 019
4/22/2010 12:32:00 AM
He's out but not because of you. He is retiring later this year. I don't blame him, I wouldn't want that job, you will be motherfucked your entire term by all the geniuses on this job who know better but need a GPS to find the FOP Hall and complain they weren't properly notified of when the next FOP meeting is.
I've never seen a bunch of whining complaining sons of bitches as on this job. Coppers complain with a loaf of bread under each arm. I am so very glad to be retiring soon myself. Listening to the complaints of my co-workers daily one would think they are in a forced labor camp in Siberia
If anyone thinks they can do better then run for election and show us, do it better. The next FOP election for officers is next spring, March or April.
Go for it.
He is laughing all the way to the bank. Seriously, you think he cares about us pilgrims?
Hey Aguilar..is this job still legit?? When you were in 014, you used to give all the FOP guys shit, and argue, and now you are the company man..thanks for nothing..vote C. Cortes to replace Rich!!!!
I/F
Don't like the contract per the arbitrator awarded us?
BLAME RICHARD M. DALEY, NO ONE ELSE, IT WAS ALL DALEY, THROUGH AND THROUGH, REGISTER TO VOTE AND THEN VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
PLACE BLAME WHERE BLAME BELONGS: AT THE DOORSTEP OF THE EVIL DOER: RICHARD M. DALEY
NEVER FORGET THIS, NEVER FORGET
DUMP DALEY 2011
At least the mayor knows what he's doing. Our FOP sure don't!
I cannot believe the guys trying to justify this contract by stating "well the economy is bad, we should be thankful to have a job, others are laying off,,,etc. These have to be union whipping boys to try and lessen the anger with us clear thinking cops. The fact is the city won the chess game and we as patrolmen lost, again. What other city department loses a co-worker, and when I say lose I mean dies in the line of duty, as a direct result of the occupation of the "city job"? I'd like to see those stats. When crisis comes and there is worry that the city may go up in flames, who do they rely on? Does anyone remember the Bulls riots, TABD, and the numerous other situations that we have kept peaceful thereby leaving the city out of national headlines? WE have done that. You guys that justify this contract have forgotten the sacrifices that we all make when working the streets as compared to other city workers. How many injuries and fucked up crime scenes have you endured? How many streets and Sans guys who get paid what we do, have to make the conscious decision to whether or not to kill someone on a regular basis and then endure the lawsuits that follow?
When are you panderers to the city going to wake up? Yes there are some small towns that over budgeted that are laying off new recruits and that is about it. Please do not use the economy as an excuse for the city to give us a shit contract for the city won this chess game for our FOP drop that one. They have the money and my angle is that we need to start getting a little more respect for what we do. Letting the city know that we demand more respect is up to you all. I really doubt that we can stick together though, unfortunately. Garrido was running for cook county brd Prz and what was the turn out for coppers? Unbelievable, you all sat home when we had a chance to show our power. Typical coppers, if it doesn't effect me directly then i do not care. My point is that we are the perfect police force for a liberal county that wants to serve those who do not pay taxes because we do not speak up and stick together. So be be it. I really feel sorry for you people whom think this city is great and this is how govt is supposed to work. I am so outta here when I get my 20. For those whom love Obama and the corrupt system he was born from-----holy shit stupid!
fuck me..should have paid attn in highschool
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