Send in the Guard!
Once again, ideas that will probably never come to be:
- Over the weekend, the violence in Chicago dropped dramatically. But that's not good enough for a South Side minister who wants the National Guard to help patrol Chicago's streets.
Marble Rock Baptist Church Minister Gregory Daniels and his supporters marched outside Chicago police headquarters on Monday. "I have seen Chicago police go to a scene and get shot at," Rev. Daniels said. "They need some policing here other than Chicago police."
Chicago Police Superintendent Jody Weis disagrees. He points out that the number of people shot and killed dropped over the weekend after a bloody 24 hours spanning Thursday and Friday. And he noted that he had 36 officers at one recent shooting scene, and someone decided to start shooting again anyways.
And once again, the temperature needs to get some of the credit, if not all. The last few nights, the readings fell into the 30s with frost warnings. Crime dropped proportionally. It isn't rocket science, it's an demonstrable phenomenon. And a weekend doesn't prove a trend, though J-Fled tries to play this every single time there is a fluctuation in the rate of shootings.
But back to the National Guard idea. In the absence of actually having rioting on a scale not seen since 1968, we don't see the Guard being allowed to operate in the city. The Guard is useful for two things - moving sandbags in the event of a natural disaster and operating in a military theater killing enemy combatants. Using combat troops as a police force is fraught with all sorts of complications.
But back to the National Guard idea. In the absence of actually having rioting on a scale not seen since 1968, we don't see the Guard being allowed to operate in the city. The Guard is useful for two things - moving sandbags in the event of a natural disaster and operating in a military theater killing enemy combatants. Using combat troops as a police force is fraught with all sorts of complications.
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posted by SCC at 12:33 AM
63 Comments:
The pols, revruns, and liberals have defanged us. Now the bangers are not scared of anymore. What the f is the Nat guard gona do? Joe don't care.
How much money do we have to throw away in the hood? Free everything and now they want the National Guard to protect them from their own kids and family members. Just burn it down already.
Fraught with all kinds complications? Not if the bangers get shot and killed...
The Dept. does not need "help", or advice from any type of "make believe" reverend. These type of make believe "RevRuns" have no education or degrees to even try to attempt to impose or advise the Policy of our C.P.D.!! We don't tell them how to run their make believe churches/congregations and if we did, it would start with "Family 101", "resume building 101", "work ethics 99, no 101 available, and "how to avoid acting like a animal 101"!!
Maybe they'll be able to shoot looters!
How about a dusk curfew and suspension of civil rights in the "problem areas" (the DOC)?
Augmenting our 10-99 units: 1 PO & 1 Guardsman?
Maybe this isn't such a bad idea after all, particularly now that many of our Guard units have experience from Iraq & Afghanistan, combating insurgents!
J-Fed called it Chiraq.
After all, aren't these thugs insurgents?
Maybe an airstrike or AC-130 action on the west side?
That goof Beale wants more privatization of police operations, maybe a contract with Blackwater? Can I take a leave of absence to work a high-paying contract with them in the same district I work in now?
I say let's do it!
Sure, just send in a few MP Companies. How about they're all in the Middle East. Another idiot that thinks he has all the answers.
These people are so fucking stupid.
I REALLY LIKE THE "KILLING ENEMY COMBATANTS" IDEA.BRING THEM IN!
The NG patrols in Puerto Rico now. So regular POs who are commanders in the NG will finaly get their gold stars LoL.
Am not police officer, but am loyal SCC/CPD fan.
Saw Rev on TV news yesterday.
I believe what he said, verbatim, is "We need police here who are not afraid of being shot at."
Don't know if such inflammatory statement was pulled afterwards, but that is what he said.
I think he may have said it twice.
Then his eyes looked weird- he actually looked a bit like he was on something.
Then he brought up National Guard- in order to explain, I guess, which police he feels aren't afraid of being shot at.
Was very strange.
ok, the "guard" comes in, they happen to catch a "bad guy" said bad guy resists and there happens to be someone with a video recorder, and the guard guys do what is necessary to control the bad guy, and some would deem what was done was brutality, THEN WHAT REV????????????? THEN WHAT????
Reverends support soliders patrolling the street with M16's. But complain when CPD is armed with more than a handgun. Soliders are not trained to follow due process and are more inclined to use force. Maybe that need it on the south side.
Maybe the asshole revrun should take his constituents and march around his own damn neighborhood! The police are NOT the problem.
Guardsman carrying 9mms and riding with 99 units ? Maybe not a bad idea. Then again, they are not trained for urban policing and shorty wont go for it.
"and operating in a military theater killing enemy combatants. "
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Keep talking..........
The public has now received the police department it deserves. Congratulations assholes! This is what you wanted.
I'll ride with a guardsman, they have much cooler toys. "Squad give me an event # for foot patrol, and hold me down lasering a target for a JDAM airstrike at this location."
SCC:"Using combat troops as a police force is fraught with all sorts of complications."
Wasnt this tried in the mid 1700s??
Let the gaurs come in and kill the combatants!!!!
Problem solved!!!
Having the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker patrolling the streets would result in another Kent State massacre. For those that don't remember it, look it up.
I say send them in, along with the Guardian Angels (love the berets)...they can free up the back logs..
J-Fraud talking about the number of officers at a crime scene (36) and still someone started shooting. If J-Fed had been there it would have been (35) on the scene as he sped away in his luxory SUV
Or maybe “they” want to create circumstances where the people will ask for the military to be deployed in a domestic policing role because the civil police can not keep order. The exact same thing happened in Nazi Germany. Once the military replaced the police, stripping the German people of their civil rights shortly followed.
I know this sound like a kook conspiracy theory, but who would have believed Congress would ever pass a law forcing you to buy a corporate product either, but they did.
This issue isn't the violence, the issue is our use of force restrictions. If we could put people in check all would be fine. The National Guard will be in the same position as us, as I am in the National Guard and we will have the same restrictions. That cat knows what's up.
These are domestic terrorists. Round them up & put them in Guantanamo. Each under a pile of Guano.
Now they want the National Guard to come in to do the parenting that they didn't bother to do themselves. SAVE US FROM OUR CHILDREN! It makes me sick.
I disagree with the posting. The national guard can stop this violence in a matter of days. Get the guard out of afghanist and deploy them here at home.
Explain to me the difference from some gangster diciple to a taliban fighter?? There is none. I served in Afghanistan and I know first hand the national guard can make those areas safe again.
The police try their best, but lets be honest, they need help.
You should have heard the hoots and laughter in the local dive bar when Jody said this on the TV. Everybody knows the weather plays a big role in crime. When the windows are open at night and the gunshots echo from near and far, the citizens don't sleep too well.
Ha! You think Daley will give up control of the streets to the Guard? He won't even arm the airport police!
But just think of the possibilities:
Dusk to dawn curfews. TCP's at every intersection leading out of the hood, every car coming in or out searched and the occupants questioned. Have every major street gang declared "enemy combatants". What's that you say, you're the Grand Poobah of the Royal Order Water Buffaloes street gang? HELLO Gitmo! We could fill up the unused federal prison that Quinn is trying to sell with homegrown American street terrorists, run them through some "enhanced" interrogation, and let them sit until at least the first snowfall.
But all that is a slippery slope to an army of occupation, and while police states are ok IF you are the police, I'd prefer to live in a democracy.
How about doing something even MORE radical than sending in the Guard: hire about 4,000 more Chicago cops and let them do thier jobs!
send in the 233rd MP CO out of springfield, their Baghdad mission was cancelled a few months ago and they're ready to mob!
I predict... hostile fire pay/imminent danger pay, hardship pay, and combat zone tax exclusion! Hahahaa...and the Army will adopt a Englewood Ranger School for future mobilized MP units!
The first time a soldier lights up a car full of gangbangers, the Revruns are gonna be screaming "war crime" instead of "police brutality." Fuck these ghetto breeders. They are not worth a scraped knee of one of our officers or soldiers. Let 'em kill each and/or move to the suburbs.
Using combat troops as a police force is fraught with all sorts of complications.
Absolutely. Can you say, "Kent State"?
Althought the thought of several drug dealers/ gang bangers being shot to death by the Guard sounds palatable and may even send a stern message.
FYI - a good portion of last years recruits (March 09) were Iraq vets. Several even served two tours of duty in Iraq. It would serve our Dept. well if they were to be consulted about crime control methods in Iraq.
Not viable without declaring martial law. And the chances of that are lower than God knocking on my door asking if I wanted to be Master of the Universe.
The Military isn't the Police and the Police isn't the Military. While there are some superficial similarities and some basic principles in common, it's not even the same sport where the rubber meets the road. Trying to make one do the job of the other just fucks both up.
While on a superficial level, I admit it would be fun; actually thinking about it makes it seem like a very poor idea. The revs and libs think CPD is excessively brutal? Wait til they see what even the softest military action entails. Some mush mouth shithead starts blabbing about his "rights" and he's gonna get a rifle butt in the face and a boot in the ribs from some 22 year old corn fed infantryman from downstate who's done three tours in Iraq, is pissed at being called up again and who's tired of seeing his taxes go to Cook county and the city.
Sure, just send in a few MP Companies. How about they're all in the Middle East. Another idiot that thinks he has all the answers.
4/20/2010 02:12:00 AM
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Actually, the Illinois Army National Guard has 3 MP Companies of which none are deployed at this time.
There are a lot of issues concerning using Military Forces as police in the U.S. You would have to look at how the Posse Comitatus Act applies.
Two were shot in 006 last night....one dead one probably wont make it
"Using combat troops as a police force is fraught with all sorts of complications."
I was told this by an alleged participant . . . not sure of the veracity, but it makes one hell of a sea story . . .
In 1992, Los Angeles was burning. Eventually, some Marines were sent up from Camp Pendleton.
A squad gets to South Central (the flashpoint for the riot), and get briefed as follows:
"We got a shooter holed up in that building over there. Cover us while we move in, OK?"
The Marine squad leader lets out a motivated "Aye, aye, sir!"
The Marines proceeded to lay down automatic weapons fire on every open window in the building!
LAPD calls "cease fire," the Marine squad leader and the senior cop start arguing over just what the heck "cover" means, and the GBIQ (Gang-Banger In Question) comes out with his hands in the air, screaming "OK! OK! I GIVE UP! DON'T SHOOT!"
Here's an idea: Maybe the good Babtist minister should encourage the congregation to make sure their kids go to school and value an education. Maybe he should teach them to eschew welfare, dope dealing and gang banging.
Maybe he should encourage them to quite speaking ebonics and start speaking English.
And get married before popping out kids.
And get a job.
No, you're right. That's too hard to change 60 years of urban dependency mentality and ignorance.
-J
uhhh, I beg to differ on one point there SCC... yes, the Guard is useful for piling sandbags in the event of a natural disaster, and HELL FUCKING NO they're NOT of any use in combat!
The "Guard" is mostly comprised of college freshmen who thought they could scam the G into paying for the college, and for the most part they were right.
That is until 911 happened.... then they found out what it means to get "deployed" until further notice.
The "Guard".... HAH!
Although since Daley and the rest of his political clowns and wannabe politician "revs" feel it's best to sue the department for taking necessary action, let the federal government come on in and do it for us, then let's see the scumbags try to get rich suing the G....
"send in the clowns"!
Happiness is a "belt fed weapon".
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"
Killing enemy combatants? HMMM, maybe not a bad idea.
These are the same people that constantly complain of police abuse of power and various other nonsense. What do they think will happen if you put a 20 year old with combat training and a year in Afghanistan on the streets? Of course it would be kind of fun watching a squad of infantrymen lay a base of fire maneuver on an idiot with a pistol.
These fine men and women didn't sign up to propect your ghetto asses from each other! As far as check points are concerned I'm listening.
kill enemy combatants (and wild, stray animals)!
Reverends support soliders patrolling the street with M16's. But complain when CPD is armed with more than a handgun. Soliders are not trained to follow due process and are more inclined to use force.
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Umn, I think you meant Soldiers not SOLIDERS...
As long as Daley is in the City Hall, bringing in the National Guard to patrol the streets of Chicago won't happen because it'll hurt his ego.
Explain to me the difference from some gangster diciple to a taliban fighter?? There is none. I served in Afghanistan and I know first hand the national guard can make those areas safe again.
The police try their best, but lets be honest, they need help.
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Reading your last sentenced, I assumed the you're not a Police Officer atleast not in Chicago. Because you're wrong about the diff. between the Taliban and gang bangers here in our city. These asshole bangers have MORE rights than you can imagine compare to JIHAD and can sue your ass faster than you can say ALLAH AKHBAR.
"4/20/2010 02:24:00 PM"
sweet.
tell it again, mommy!
"Having the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker patrolling the streets would result in another Kent State massacre. For those that don't remember it, look it up.
4/20/2010 08:45:00 AM"
so, you're comparing a college campus with the west and south side kill zones?
where's Robocop when you need him?
We don't need the National Guard. But I would love to see them replace the crown vic's and tahoes with tanks. Never have to pull your pistol or chase again. One shell from the tank's gun and bye bye asshole.
Let them run ghetto checkpoints, search vehicles and sieze guns from shitheads. Then turn said shitheads and guns over to the Police. Better than nothing.
I am f@@king laughing my ass off, this blog is funny.. I'm a old timer, just a couple more years...
I would be in favor of the NG if they bring in some aircraft. I would like to call in an airstrike/carpet bomb 79th street from the lake all the way west..
As a citizen what I am most concerned with is the thought by our corrupt politicians, ministers and incompetent police managers is that weather should be a consideration in just how safe our city is. I mean that is fucking absurd. Lets hope for the weather to reduce crime and make the city safe? Lets hope it is cold and snowy, or cold and rainy so that the thugs will stay in their rat holes and not wild in the streets? Are you kidding me Jody? You get paid $300K plus hoping for bad weather? You are not a competent police manager. You are a fucking weatherman. Wrong again.
Anonymous said...
"send in the clowns"!
4/20/2010 03:15:00 PM
They're already here---behind pulpits in store-front "churches"
"Send in the clowns." Hmmm...How about a "Mobile Clown Force" of Bozos, Cookies, and Krusties running rampant through the ghetto on midnights this summer, whacking the shit outta gangbangers with 2 foot long rubber dongs! No event numbers, no paper, no arrests, just beatings. I fucking guarantee that would reduce crime!
We are working on 1% this year. So, let them kill each other WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT!!! More they kill each other, the more pressure will be put on J-Fled, and the Mayor. So, it's 1% for 2010, and I encourage everyone to work less,
1st/16th is the only important thing until retirement and no more!
Get your lunches in and your 2 personals.
1...the police arent the guard and the guard isnt the police. 2..these ghettos jags cry if there s no police around then cry if there s too many police around. they just cry! dr mr revrunner...it would be nice if you could get your flock to care a litle....before demanding everyone else care.
Maurer missed his calling, he should lead the charge on Englewood.
The basic complication is that it is against the law to deploy the military in a law enforcement capacity, with rare exception.
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Navy, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act during peacetime.
Perhaps the minister should stick to things he is knowledgeable about. How about getting members of his community to comply with basic civility and the tenets of Christianity he preaches about. Call for them to assume responsibility for their actions, cooperate with lawful authorities and stop the violence.
There is no need for further cradle to grave care, another demand, more government largess to protect themselves from each other.
There are a lot of reasons it would not be beneficial to have the Gaurds here.#1 you can't hold the N/G to the same standard's when it comes the police envolved shootings,they are trained to not just neutralize a threat but completely destroy any chance for that threat to take root,hence they are more aggressive than police officers,can you see a soldier standing there and taking the verbal abuse that we take?.The N/G will tke no shit from anyone.#2 will you have the ability to sue the N/G like you can C.P.D?#3 will you have the ability to sue the N/G for civil rights violations like they do C.P.D?,i think not because the the General in charge will not stand for it.#4 will the Rev's ave the ability to call the General and tell him where to station his toops.Last but not the least #5 If an Alderman tries to throw his weight around and attempts to order his soldiers to do his bidding and that soldier tells the Alderman to shove it some where not nice and the Alderman calls the General crying like a little school girl (sorry was not intended to be an insult to school girls) will there be any political fallout to the General?.Let's face it this city is so politically corrupt that having the National Guard here will be a disaster that would take the city of Chicago at least 5-10 years to recover from,the G-man would have no chioce but to take over.Just something to think about.
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