Tuesday, June 29, 2010

Burge Guilty

Jurors say Burge wasn't "credible." But neither were the accusers:
  • The backgrounds of the accusers, some of whom were convicted murderers and former gang members, gave some jurors pause, they said.

    "They all have a big rap sheet," said Jane Smith of Peotone. "We took all that into consideration."

    Smith said she didn't find any of the five accusers particularly credible, although several jurors differed.

So Burge faces anywhere from probation to 40 years for Civil perjury. The appeals will also take years as Lefkow made more than a few questionable decisions throughout the trial over admissibility of defense evidence and testimony while allowing tapes from a convicted (and now dead) cop killer to take center stage.

We haven't heard the last of this one.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact that the name of a boat was allowed into trial was kind of a shocker. How is that proof anyone lied to the federal government?

6/29/2010 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this isn't the final nail in the coffin of police work then you deserve what you get when you get jammed up. Its open season on police and jurors will believe convicted felons and lowlifes over a decorated police officer anyday. Wake up or tou could be next.

6/29/2010 12:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hopefully he gets the minimum. if he gats anything substantial i hope he dies before he serves a day and shows em all.

fuck these shitbird liars and the liberal hippy suburbanites who support him

6/29/2010 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's a Chicago jury for you. Burge wasn't credible but the convicted felons were. I guess the term "a shadow of a doubt" doesn't apply to police officers.

6/29/2010 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How much money was wasted on this trial? I do not know all of the deatils, but have any of the supposed victims ever been found innocent?

I really hate how the double jeopardy part of the constitution gets ignored. (OK not exactly relevant here, but some what)

Can't convict on a state crime then charge a federal crime.

Statute of limitations expire, then make up a new charge.

Just BS to me.

6/29/2010 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wasn't there a President who committed perjury in a civil trial? What did the feds do to him?

6/29/2010 01:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It wasn't civil perjury, although it arose from a civil case. As others before Burge have learned (Libby, O. North, Watergate--guess it is dem tool against repuplicans now that I type it, LOL), an oath does really matter and can result in criminal prosecution for ignoring the obligation of honesty and truthfulness.

6/29/2010 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burge is Shortshank's boy. Just take a look at his lightening career. This does not mean that he is being railroaded by this fucked up system which thinks murderers are credible witnesses. Lewkow should be dumped!

6/29/2010 04:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just one more reason not to extend ourselves. Again the victims of homicides mean nothing. Just look at time being served by homicide offenders, a disgrace !!!!!! This job is messy, thats life in thug ridden, gang infested Shitcago. I'm sick and tired of crys of torture against our military and those charged with the job of protecting us. Torture is getting your body parts sawed off with machetes. Pointing guns at each other is the norm in the city of Shitcago, just look at the statistics. How come we don't add the torture to the MCC and ILCS. Instead of agg assault write up torture. People are wronged from birth to death, that is life !!!! And they don't get paid millions by tax dollars. Burge did the dirty work that no one wants to talk about or think about. Murderers are the worst of humanity, seeing a murder victim can never be erased from ones memory. I pray for those that cast judement upon this man !!!!

6/29/2010 05:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do nothing No policing

6/29/2010 06:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fair trial? this guy s been DEMONIZED in the media for years. lying in a civil trial? go to 26th/cal anytime and watch as scumbags and their lawyers lie their asses off! their punishment? they beat the case and sue everyone! justice in cook county....depends on which way the wind blows.

6/29/2010 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make arrests only on signed complaints by someone else, that's it.

6/29/2010 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Official FOP response:

The jury has reached their verdict and hopefully this brings closure to this long-standing dispute.

The Lodge will have no further comment.

# # END # #

6/29/2010 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't get it .... whay cna't there be a single standard? - You go into criminal court and say "I didn't do it" - you're aquitted - now they try you later on for perjury


I know these aren't the exact facts of what happened .. but could this not happen? Does it only happen to people the gov't is "really out to get" - Why not every shithead who takes the stands, denies guilt, and is aquitted? Why not everyone Mr. Fitzgerald?

6/29/2010 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

testimony from a dead guy admissible? Same thing they are doing to Drew Peterson, no? I'm no fan of Drew .. but this stuff is nonsense ... the only exception to the hearsay rule is if you killed that witness so they couldn't testify ... that's not the case in the Burge trial ... and it is not even the case in the Peterson trial.

Can't change the rules for guys you don't like.

6/29/2010 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The biggest loser in this case are the citizens of the City of Chicago!

They will pay the cost in many ways.

If one believes that the homicide clear up rate is abysmal currently wait until the future. No sane individual would want to be a homicide detective in the City of Chicago. If a suspect wanted to confess to a murder who would want to be the individual to record the statement knowing that fifteen or twenty years down the road this individual will claim that it was forced out of him and the former detective will spend his retirement years defending himself and worried about his financial security. A prime example of this is Ed Farley and Bob Lennihan.

The citizens of the City of Chicago will also be paying the substantial costs associated with the lawsuits that the likes of Flint Taylor and Jon Loevy initiate. I loved it during the just ended trial when the Federal prosecutors claimed that the individuals who testified had not made any financial claims of anyone prior to their testimony and then immediately after the verdict was returned Flint Taylor is demanding compensation for them from the City. I would guess the lawsuits will be filed very soon.

Flint Taylor also demanded that another 20 individuals be released from the penitentiary were they languish. He always forgets that someone committed the crimes that they are incarcerated for and he never offers an alternate offender up to the criminal justice system. I would guess that he believes that the detectives must of murdered these individuals, just to give themselves some work to justify their positions.

The Federal prosecutors should justify the tactic utilized to prosecute Jon Burge and indict some of Taylor and Loevy's clients who lie frequently in their filings.

Another concern that should be noted is Burge's indictment was based on a lawsuit filed by Madison Hobley. Why wasn't he called as a witness? Why did the prosecutors respond that they were not sure that Hobley was credible when Burge's attorneys requested to review his case. Of course it might be that Hobley was too busy spending some of the 20 million dollars that the City surrendered to him when Mayor Daley declined the opportunity to be deposed.

Another concern is Bernadette Dohrn's involvement in this prosecution. Her and Bill Ayers' photo appeared in the newspapers today hugging one of Burge's alledged victims. Did she ever hug any of the family of the police officer murdered in San Francisco?

It would of been informative for the citizens of Chicago to be able to hear from Jane Byrne, Richard M. Daley, Richard Brezeczek, Fred Rice and Leroy Martin during this trial but for some reason neither side in the trial desired to call them. Jon Burge had supervisors and they were at the top of the heap!

Burge might of been the immediate loser but the detectives and the citizens are bigger losers.

6/29/2010 08:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Swistowicz is on trial this week another example of the war that the FBI and the Federal prosecutors are waging against the Chicago Police Department!

6/29/2010 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back in the days of Commander Burge the homicide clear rate was around 94 percent, these days it is around 34 percent . Maybe Burge did something right and Chicago streets were safer. Always remember the deaths of Police Officers O'Brien and Fahey and how they were killed by Wilson on a street stop. I am a Retired Detective but my advice to any Police Officers these days is just cash your check on the 1st and the 16th of the month. Who cares anymore, just take care number # 1 and be safe.

6/29/2010 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The FOP should be commended for providing Jon Burge with the attorneys he needed to mount a credible defense.

Judge Lefkow should be commended for following in the footsteps of Judge Roy Bean. She limited Burge's defense by denying every motion that his lawyers submitted and aided the prosecution by allowing them to withhold material that would of aided in his defense and allowing the prosecution to present evidence that was unreliable.

I have a gut feeling that the conviction will be overturned by the 7th Circuit but that Burge will suffer greatly prior to that event.

6/29/2010 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a retired PO. Its interesting is the testimony about lawyers going to the jail and recruiting imates to make up stories ( that they coach ) and then sue the city for big bucks.
I first heard of this in the early 70's and its gotten worse. Millions of tax dollars are spent on false accusations in a court system thast is stacked against the wroking police officer by corupt lawyers, judges and aldermen.
And just were is the US Attorney?>/ Why he's having drinks at the country club with his fellow shysters.

6/29/2010 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As always, there is a reactionary response to an issue involving the police that is short on facts and long on "we're screwed." As an oldtimer, let me clue you in.

First, we aren't talking about being a little bit rough with a suspect. We are talking about organized, systematic torture going on for many years. Burge's fate has absolutely nothing to do with the average cop and means nothing to you in terms of worrying about being sued.

Second, many of these people may have been scum, but as it turns out, many of them were innocent of the particular crime they were tortured into confessing to. Even if you have no sympathy for the person tortured, keep in mind that the actual murderer went free to kill again. That's not helpful to us and it sure as hell isn't helpful to the next victim and their familes.

Third, the conviction wasn't based just on the testimony of criminals. It was also based on the testimony of many others who had info -- including a PO who testified before the grand jury that he saw Burge put a gun to a guy's head. He tried to recant part of the story but he still admitted to part of it. I heard one of the jurors say on the news that testimony was the clencher for some of them.

Fourth, the testimony of the dead guy was admissible because it came from another court proceeding where the guy testified under oath and was subject to cross-examination by an attorney representing Burge. There was absolutely nothing questionable about that ruling.

Fifth, Burge's defense was a joke. He had a court reporter testify who said on direct exam that he didn't see any evidence of torture when one of the statements were taken. Then on cross he said that he had taken statements of bloodied offenders many times but that he never asked how they got hurt because it wasn't his job. That testimony ended up hurting much more than if he testified for the prosecution.

Last, I thought the Vigilante thing was priceless. Naming his boat that showed what an arrogant ass Burge is. His explanation that he picked the name because he didn't know what the word meant was ridiculous and showed what a liar he was. He was also hostile and arrogant on the stand.

What we should be feeling now, and what I am feeling, is that maybe now we can put all the shit behind us. I'm tired of this coming up like this is what we do today. Burge has given us a bad name and made us look like brutes to the world. People forget this was all over with by 1993. Let's let this go already.

6/29/2010 09:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where do you think they got the jury from.... Liberal Cook County. If I or my family was a victim of a crime I would want Area 2 of the old days on the case.

6/29/2010 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The worst is yet to come. I believe that many of the former detectives from area 2 will now be indicted and face the loss of their pensions.The jury stated that they did not totally believe the five criminals who testified in the trial, but did believe the doctors and attorneys who testified and the former detectives who testified. This is not over yet. The liberals smell blood and they want more and will get it.

6/29/2010 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was the last straw. Now detective won't even try talking to these thugs. Why bother, now they are getting sued out of their own pockets for solving crimes.

6/29/2010 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burge was going to loose the second judge Lefkow was 'selected' to run the trial. Lefkow has her own far left agenda and interprets the law as she sees fit. Judges like her, rith or left, shouldn't be on the bench.

Whoever posted that the citizens of Chicago are going to be the real losers is correct. More payouts to murderers and other lunatics are on the way. There are some misguided people that think they are defending Richard Kimball, but by and large, the people involved in these proceedings are in it to fleece the taxpayers. They will continue to do it until the taxpayers wake up.

Unlike most posters, I think a vast majority of citizens are on the side of the Police. Unfortunately, they are a silent majority. Good luck John Burge and all the future Police victims of unscrupulous lawyers out there. There will be no justice for you. Good luck good citizens, a Department that gets no support cannot be there to support you.

6/29/2010 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A clever lawyer will use your personal life against you. I would advise not to have a facebook page etc.

6/29/2010 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Several additional blogs that offer coverage relating to this matter.

John Conroy's blog at:


Pat Hickey's blog at:


then type Flint Taylor in the upper left search box for all the stories

Bernadette Dohrn's listing of all motions at:


The reading of the motions from the first to the last show how little leeway Judge Lefkow allowed the defense.

6/29/2010 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

shouldnt bubba be in jail? just asking.

6/29/2010 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The media, federal government and citizens have spoken. It is war on police officers.

If it was up to me I would go to work & just ride around. Take reports and nothing more.

Let these dogs kill one another & they can call Flint Taylor, Yobama or Northwestern University for help.

The convicted murderers, robbers & rapists have spoken & were believed ahead of a former Commander & war hero.

It is now up to the police. Let them continue to kill their own.

6/29/2010 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what Burge thinks of our 32% clearance rate. I also wonder how he feels about the murders of 2 CPD officers, both off duty, currently still unsolved. God bless Jon Burge.

6/29/2010 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm...I wonder what will happen to the number of lawsuits against the CPD from other convicted felons? And since all the ridiculous, scared liberals believe these shitbags have more credibility than we do, get ready to pay up tax-payers.

6/29/2010 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just one more reason not to extend ourselves. Again the victims of homicides mean nothing.
6/29/2010 05:21:00 AM

P.O. O'Brien and P.O. Fahey meant something, R.I.P. Burge worked for 5 days straight and slept on his desk until he found the Wilson brothers. I agree with the rest of your post and understand your point.

6/29/2010 11:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

People wonder why crime is so bad today.No one will say it but we know why.There is no fear of the Police anymore..do a murder get locked up then sue and cry foul.You may spend some time in the joint (which alot of thugs could care less about) then have a nice check waiting for you when ya get out.The sheep want the murders and violent crimes stopped but don't want it done the way it should be.Killers and rapists let go with payouts...policemen fired and locked up..victims left swinging in the wind..again.Thugs walk the streets with guns, and if caught will have it thrown out in court by liberal judges (or light sentences) yet citizens who work and contribute to society have to fight tooth and nail to have their constitutional right to bear arms.Jagoffs contribute nothing and do not care about parking tickets,boots,fines cause they pay nothing...while good people who pay for houses,cars,bills,tuition get the asshole Mayor sending his revenue rats into good neighborhoods to ticket for petty violations $50+ a pop.
To the liberal citizens,lawyers,judges,media..this is the Police you want...this is the result...the crime will get worse,the blood will flow,the murders, assaults,rapes,robberies and dope dealing will go unpunished and unanswered.I feel no pity or sympathy for you and yours who will maybe be affected by these times which you created.To the good citizens out there all I can say is we are sorry...there are police working from all over the country who want to do what is right to protect you from the animals of society...but the media and govt is on their side and only us and you suffer.Our hands are tied more and more each day and there is less and less light showing at the end of the tunnel.God bless Jon Burge,all Police officers,and the good people out there trying to raise their kids and do what is right.Take advantage of the supreme court decision and protect yourselves,property and families.And a big shame on you and fuck you to the coward Jody,stuttering midget mayor,the liberal corrupt judges,lawyers and media.It truly is us against them.
Sorry for the rant but it needed to be said.

6/29/2010 11:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Welcome to Leftkow Land, and the Land of Liberal America. Bullshit trial. I'm sorry, but the friggin jury should've been sequestered all along. Then, you do a day of deliberation and then your sent home for the weekend! "Don't discuss it or watch tv". Give me a friggin break. What was that all about. Statement from a dead police killer read in court. Holy Shit! Dahmer got a fairer trial. The list goes on my friends.

I'm not a lawyer, but Jon certainly needs a good appellate defense to pick apart this sham called a trial when he goes for the appeal.

The 5th Amendment is in their for a reason ladies and gentlemen, INVOKE IT!!


6/29/2010 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burge has been tried in and convicted in the media for years, there was no way he could ever have gotten a fair trial in Chicago, never, a change of venue should have been requested. Well, on with the appeals.

OT but two officers were killed in Tampa last night on a traffic stop, R.I.P.

6/29/2010 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous08:23:00, did you even think through your rant? You have a really terrible understanding of the law.

6/29/2010 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
fair trial? this guy s been DEMONIZED in the media for years. lying in a civil trial? ...justice in cook county....depends on which way the wind blows.

6/29/2010 07:32:00 AM

I think it's 'depends on which way the cash flows'

6/29/2010 01:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The politicians of Illinois played Burge like an accordian!

When the four law enforcement officials were murdered in Area 2 in 1982 both Jane Byrne and Richard M. Daley praised Burge and his men and ignored the complaints of the black community.

Harold Washington campaigned against the actions of the police officers but when he was elected Mayor he allowed Superintendent Fred Rice to promote Burge.

Richard M. Daley ordered the OPS investigation into Burge years later and orchestrated his seperation from the Chicago Police Department.

Dick Devine and numerous United State's Attorneys declined the opportunity to investigate and prosecute Burge.

George Ryan, when under investigation, pardoned Aaron Patterson, Madison Hobley and three others without any investigation into the facts of the underlying convictions. Many to this day believe that this was an attempt by him to taint the jury pool prior to his indictment.

Richard M. Daley was ordered by a Federal judge to submit to a deposition and instead of submitting he had the City settle the pending cases.

Burge was then indicted for lying on a written question. It is known within the legal community that a vast majority of individuals perjure themselves on written interrogatories and he was the first ever charged with perjury. It is believed by many that the charges were an attempt by the Federal government to satisfy the black and liberal politicians of Illinois.

It is also believed by many that Madison Hobley should of been charged with 7 murders and should not of received a massive payday.

It is time for Patrick Fitzgerald to review the many claims by the clients of Jon Loevy and Flint Taylor and indict some of them on the same charges that they pursued Jon Burge for!

P.S. I am totally amazed that Rod Blagojevich did not find a way to utilize Burge in some fashion but then again maybe he did and the tape is yet to be revealed.

6/29/2010 02:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess the term "a shadow of a doubt" doesn't apply to police officers.

6/29/2010 12:32:00 AM

Shadow of a doubt?

6/29/2010 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
If this isn't the final nail in the coffin of police work then you deserve what you get when you get jammed up. Its open season on police and jurors will believe convicted felons and lowlifes over a decorated police officer anyday. Wake up or tou could be next.

6/29/2010 12:25:00 AM

Young Officers: Beware of what you get involved in and how it could come back to haunt you decades later. They've been after Burge for a long time, longer than some of you newbies have been alive, just remember, these professional police-haters will NEVER go away, they are parasites. The liberal/socialist politicians of Crookago are in bed with them, and will gladly use you for their own agenda, even if it costs the taxpayers tens of millions, as the Burge case did. BEWARE... These people are the cowardly, who would not walk down even one dark alley in your shoes, but will hang you out to dry if you make even ONE mistake they can spin into something that will further their cause and make them money. BEWARE ALWAYS..

6/29/2010 02:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Flint Taylor People's Law Office
a Communist Organization.

Bernadette Dohrn & Bill Ayers, Communist Organization.

B.Obama, connected with the above, not to mention numerous other Communist connected with him, lets Fitzgerald remain Attorney General.

Communist goals, destroy first line of defense, Police.

I would bet that some if not all of the jurors depending on their age were taught in school that the police had tortured these people, even though it has never been proven. Ask someone who has taken a course in criminal justice at a local JC.

You can go on an one with this. I just hope we all get it.

6/29/2010 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck this city.

6/29/2010 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was bound to happen. McDermott's testimony hurt. Not what he said, it was how he was attempting to lessen the blow of what he said at a grand jury.
Burge crying on the stand didn't help him either.
And before anyone gets on a liberal soapbox and points a finger at my post, I'm no liberal. It's just that it was what it was. Black arrestees treated horribly, and the people in charge, Breczek, Daley, all with their heads in the sand. Anyone who worked in the Area 2 Districts knew these tactics were standard practice at 111th St. As long as it was being done to blacks, it was all good. No one was going to believe the wall of lies forever. Referring to Burge as a hero here doesn't change what was allowed to happen, and if any relative of yours was subjected to any of THAT in a police dept. in the U.S, you'd want to see justice too. Just another shameful chapter in a city where criminal excess seems to know no boundaries. I'm sure Daley is just glad the trial is over with minimal references to what HE failed to do about this as the Cook County State's Attorney when Breczek asked him for guidance on the issue when the rumors of abuse were rampant.
Don't get me wrong, I like to see bad guys locked away like any other cop, but not like that. And Gator Bradley can go to hell!

6/29/2010 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few friend & I were talking last night and the question about losing his pension came up. am under the impression that seeing as though he wasn't convicted of a crime while in the performance of his duty that he should be able to keep it. The crime that he was convicted of was for perjury which was committed 13 yrs after he left the department. So it had nothing to do with the job.

Maybe someone with more knowledge can clear this up with the facts.

6/29/2010 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6/29/2010 09:25:00 AM

Mr. 09:25 AM, you are not a police officer, don't pretend to be. Since WE have done wrong for so long, I hope none of US lives next door to you. I hope one of the "innocents" does, however.

6/29/2010 05:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will never understand why he elected to have a Jury trial.

6/29/2010 05:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How much of our union dues paid for this. My guess $700,000.

6/29/2010 06:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daley was SA when all this went down or is he exempt like OB in the Blago trial

6/29/2010 06:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What really got me was, every day on the news, they showed the anti Burge protesters outside of the courthouse doing their chanting and waiving their signs! How could a juror not hear and see this bullshit? Every day, all day during the trial? I wonder who paid for that?????
Whither you think he was guilty or not, that was a staged circus aided and abetted by all the media! They should be ashamed of themselves! Than again, who are you dealing with?

The same assholes who hold a press conference with Blogo every day after his trial is through for the day. Just to recap his take on the trial. Now thats justice served....

6/29/2010 06:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


6/29/2010 06:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alderman Ed Smith is 100% correct when he claims a "Code of Silence" exists within the City of Chicago.

He should know as he is a practioner of the "Code of Silence".

I am still awaiting Alderman Ed Smith to step forward and inform the public and the Federal prosecutors what he knows about corruption within the City Council and specifically within the Zoning Committee.

Alderman Smith should tell all that he knows about Alderman Carrothers, Alderman Ed Burke and recently retired Alderman William Banks.

I doubt that he will do this and therefore he is a hypocrite!

6/29/2010 07:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here here. Police officers really need to wisen up and educate themselves on what the color of law means. I still hear stories from coppers bithing about the stupidity of their supervisors and what these these so-called stupid supervisors make them do.

It must said again. You do not have to obey an unlawful order given to you by a supervisor. If you do, you can and will be held accountable for civil rights violation. When you do something that you know is wrong, regardless of "per supervisors orders", YOU are the one who can be federally charged.

I hate to say it, but it is now the copper who is stupid for not refusing to do an unlawful action "per supervisor orders".

6/29/2010 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who worked in the Area 2 Districts knew these tactics were standard practice at 111th St. As long as it was being done to blacks, it was all good......

It happended on Cottage Grove asshole. Go Fuck yourself.

6/29/2010 09:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster claiming to be "an old timer, let me clue you in" and your numbered categories. I do not believe you are CPD. For the record, I'm a troller. Burge did some good work and Burge probably did some bad work. Gee, that seems to prevail in all occupations from famous lawyers to Greylord judges. But there is one thing you can probably bet the bank on. Burge never fucked with anyone who didn't have it coming. Yes, some bad work. But someone said it on another topic-in another day and age, an angry mob of citizens would have stormed A2, taken the Wilson brothers out of jail for a beating and lynching. The mere fact that we have evolved from that extreme to one wherein a jury of supposed righteous citizens considers the purportedly sworn testimony from criminals and others in a purjury case is almost too funny to be true.

6/29/2010 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous 016 Afternoons said...

I remember the sick feeling my partner and I had that night many years ago when someone came over Zone 12 and said that the Police Board had fired Jon Burge. I felt part of the Chicago Police Department die. I just had that same feeling again. I feel for him, I feel for us, and I feel for the City. IF anyone was "tortured" back then, you can be damn sure it wasn't a legit, straight up dude coming home from choir practice. I had the honor of meeting Jon recently, and I wish I would've had the chance to work for him back in the day. I am sad to say that we have lost control, and I don't ever see us getting it back. We suffer for it, but the citizens (I refer to the actual TAXPAYING citizens) who deserve the real police suffer worse - if Joe Jagoff comes after one of us most likely he will lose, but the regular citizen will be a sitting duck.

Thanks for doing The Job, Jon; and I'm sorry you got fucked - again.

6/29/2010 11:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Second, many of these people may have been scum, but as it turns out, many of them were innocent of the particular crime they were tortured into confessing to. Even if you have no sympathy for the person tortured, keep in mind that the actual murderer went free to kill again. That's not helpful to us and it sure as hell isn't helpful to the next victim and their familes.

I have yet to read about an innocent person being convicted. Please name one?

6/30/2010 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard stories of Burge's history on the job and it was all Great!

One hell of a cop; fought the war against crime and the ruthless violent scum that walked the streets of Chicago.

It's a sorry day that when he was found guilty. Shame shame on the judicial system for a finding of guilty. Guilty, of doing his job? WOW

Remember the murder of Police Office John Matthews people. His killers walk the streets as we speak. The system that works, right! N O T

6/30/2010 02:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'It happended on Cottage Grove asshole. Go Fuck yourself.'

NO, it didn't all happen on Cottage Grove, asshat.
Try and use your spellcheck next time.

6/30/2010 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was a mistake to put Burge on the stand. He apparently was the weak link in his own defense, the one witness that none of the jurors believed.

6/30/2010 09:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the "Old timer" probably not the police and others that think alike...
It was NOT just the alleged confession by the arrestee that convicted them.
Each one had a trial many with eye witnesses, direct, indirect and circumstantial evidence that made up the 'totality' of the trial in front of a judge and juries.
The 'torture' defense was played out at those trials but they were found guilty by those judge/jury(ies) who sat through the trial hearing ALL the evidence.
If you're going to say every MURDERER was innocent because Burge and/or his detectives forced them into a confession and THAT was the only thing that found them guilty, you're a trolling idiot.
That's like saying every judge and jury are co-conspirators.
They heard the FULL testimony and reviewed all the evidence and made their decision.
Now you want every person arrested in Area 2 for MURDER let loose!
There's an appeal process that the bottom feeder lawyers exhausted on every one of these killers. I'm sure.
Now, just to release killers in the name of Burge would be another slap in the face to the families of the victims that were killed and sent to jail after a trial and conviction.
Just sayin'

6/30/2010 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6/29/2010 09:25:00 AM


Thanks for the info - good info ... I suggest everybody read this post. (the 6/29/2010 09:25:00 AM post that is, not mine !)

What I am curious about - and I have to look it up, is the 5 shitheads who went to jail originally. What were there names, what were there crimes, what did they allege and WHEN did they allege it.

WHEN, WHEN, WHEN... WHEN did they allege it. Were there allegations, once they came out, the SAME? How did they come out? Or did the LOEVY lawyers all fish for arrests in Area Two at the time, ring the doorbell of shitheads family, or visit them in jail and say "Are you sure he didn't put a gun to your head? DO you have any memory of a typewriter cover?" Never mind, I think I already know the answer.

Were there not ambulance chaser lawyers in the 1980's when all this occurred?

Maybe we should just let this all go - but I remain highly curious.

6/30/2010 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I posted on Shaved's blog the other day when the guilty verdict was announced. I won't go into all I said, however I will repeat that one day some, if not all of the jurors, will realize that they have done something terribly wrong.

6/30/2010 03:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to sidetrack but I have a question regarding the allegations regarding Commander Burge. Didn't the Chicago Police Department have an Office of Professional Standards, and Internal Affairs section that reported to then Superintendent Richard Blinky Brczek? And if in fact there were complaints about Area 2 detectives, weren't these sections and offices responsible to investigate and present their findings to Brczek? And in that instance, couldn't Brczek recommend to the Police Board that Burge be terminated or suspended. Did any of that ever happen?

6/30/2010 04:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6/29/2010@ 9:25am - You must not be that much of an old timer. You are probably too intelligent to get caught up in the passion of one police officer trying to find the murderers of a fellow officer, yeah, you're too fucking smart for all that.

6/30/2010 04:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact that the name of a boat was allowed into trial was kind of a shocker. How is that proof anyone lied to the federal government?

6/29/2010 12:08:00 AM


I know isn't that bizarre? Imagine if we could bring into evidence the fact that our shithead had stinky feet, a common characteristic of a crack-head I'd guess ... no way office ...no way

7/01/2010 01:46:00 PM  

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