Kass Connects Cost of Corruption
Chicago's political class can't admit to losing control. They dare not even hint at it, particularly the mayor, what with his election coming up and his poll numbers tanking.
But just about every cop in the city must feel it, with the murder Sunday of veteran Chicago police Officer Michael Bailey outside his home."This has just been a terrible year, and I don't remember anything this bad, maybe if you go back to the early '70s when we came on and we were losing, what, maybe 10 guys a year? And that was before bulletproof vests," former Chicago police Superintendent Phil Cline said.
"I think what you're seeing is that the gangbangers have lost their fear of the police — and that's not a good thing," Cline said. "The balance we always wanted was that the good citizens in the neighborhood to like the police, the gangbangers to fear us. Evidently, we've lost that.
"And that's something the department is going to have to work on, to take back the street from these gangs. The city is going to have to bite the bullet and hire more police."
We've given Phil a pile of shit over the past years for promoting incompetent and unqualified hacks into positions where they could do a lot of damage to this department, and we still believe it to be deserved. But J-Fled has torn the heart out of this place, albeit at the direction of the demented dwarf, but it's his name on the door.
We are so screwed. It isn't going to take years to fix this place - it'll be decades. And it will never be the same.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
112 Comments:
This is exactly what Dictator Daley wanted. A weak and undermaned police department with a morale below rock bottom. He put a non-police officer in charge knowing the destruction he would cause. Mayor Daley is the only one to blame here!
Sounds like your heart is broken, too, SCC. Twenty-eight years is enough for me. I'm leaving. NEVER has it been so bad for us.
One controversial but beneficial step towards reducing the amount of murders on the street would be to release the non violent drug offenders from the jails, legalize and control the crap they put into their bodies and finally put away all violent offenders with real time served sentences that would require them to stay locked up for a very long time with no possibility of probation or parole.
Does it seem like there is another horrible trend of cpd officers having heart problems and passing away suddenly prior to retirement? Never exempt, just officers. Just noticing.
This blog posting is so very true. The Kass article is so very true. Can't believe the political leadership of this city. Can't believe the command leadership of the police department.
I've given a lot to this city of this past 30 years and to see it go down like this to rampant violent crime is disheartening. We all know about the other quality of life crimes that never ever get responded to in a timely manner because we just don't have the resources any more.
I think a lot of us saw this coming a while back. We all did what we could do to slow it in some way or another, and now we just don't have the means or the backing. Theyre right, It will take decades and I'm just gettin' too old.
Hang tuff boys.
One tired Area 2 Detective.
We need CHANGE and fast! It not only needs to start with a new Mayor but with new check and balances. The police and fire departments need to run independent of city hall. The mayor no longer should select the superintendent and commissioner and run the everyday decision making of those departments. In order to provide the correct services the city of Chicago deserve those department must be free of city politics and communities pressure. John Kass if you are reading this please investigate this, I believe in St. Louis the police department is ran from the state capital and not from their city hall. Recently the mayor of St. Louis request control over his department and the state legislature voted down the measure stating that to keep corruption and politics out of the police department it would have to ran by the state and not local government. I believe this to be the case with the CPD. I know the state government is also corrupt but maybe it will take the reverends out of the equation.
Phil Cline for Mayor! And no I am not kidding. Someone we can respect. (Everyone takes care of someone). Able to calm citizens, will be able to tell revs. to see their alderman and tell aderman to do their job. We can do the rest! See...its fixed...well kinda! LOL
The first problem is, there is no more unity among police, regardless of rank. Officers are not looking out for each other and supervisors are looking out for themselves.
The second problem is, no matter if the criminals did fear the police, the criminal justice system would just let them go. Most of your violent offenders are already on probation and should be behind bars. They get time served for felonies, if they do anytime at all.
The third problem is these fake ass reverends, who wash money for these gangbangers and support them in turn. The bangers then support certain politicians and their boys get the breaks on cases. Its all about the money. Meeks, Jessie, Fleger, where are you now? No money to be made...we'll pass!
SCC:
Details are a bit sketchy. But from what I gather a TRU car was turning the corner of 62/Eberhart and road right into cross fire. Officers are OK. (1) weapon was recovered. Not sure if offender(s) were taken into custody.
Be careful out there, especially in Area 2 and 007.
More shots fired at police in 003 tonight.
hiring more police wont do anything. phil is right, the people have lost the fear of the police. its due to over zealous civil lawyers lining thier pockets with city cash representing trash on lawsuits that should never even have been filed and have zero merit.. over zealous states attorneys who will indict the police for doing thier job or making a mistake(abbatte and drunken off duty crap not included..they deserved that), incompetent bosses who dont know the first thing about police work, negativity shown in the media which makes every chicagoan believe that every chicago cop is bad and corrupt and lack of mission. if you screw up you are crucified and on your own. people make baseless and meritless complaints against officers and non police officers(ipra) try to make a decision when theyve never been in a particular situation such as an officer has. way too many lawsuits and complaints. weis is an aweful leader... he has appointed even worse commanders and bosses... he has no clue what to do and will never know what to do. the thugs know the police are laying down. you can have 40000 cops on the street and it will do no good with the mission we are doing right now. the mayor, citizens, media, lawyers, states attorney all wanted a softer gentler police department... well, this is it and you see how the streets are lost. if we had our current number of officers who still did "real police work"(only officers with 8+ years and criminals sitting in jail know what real police work is" we would still be ok... criminals use to get the feeling that nowhere was safe for them. they were constantly fearful of if the police came around the corner...now, if they see the police they just stand and stare at you or run in the house... 5 years ago the door would be off the hinges and bad guy in jail...now, you look at your partner and say, a couple years ago that door would be gone and bad guy would be "regretting that" and we drive right by while bad guy inside laughing. they have no fear because there is nothing left to fear... I sure as hell am not bootin in that door anymore for the "good of the community" or for that pride of getting a bad guy off the street... its not worth getting fired, a complaint or a lawsuit which threatens the well being of my family. I hate to say it and in my 19 years on the job I took pride in getting the bad guys and never once said "well its not my neighborhood so I dont care"...well, now i say that phrase every single day.. its sad but my check still stays the same and ive got a job... sorry daley, weis, media and liberal chicago but you can have the soft police... the only people suffering will be the good citizens who work for a living... the city is lost and will never be reclaimed. thanks for the rant scc but needs to be said to the outside readership who is not the police
Who's the genius who has determined to lock a "MOBILE strike force" aka pretend Special Operations teams with little to not enough experience into the west side only?
They should be a city wide response unit.
Who is the genius who has determined to place three or sometimes four of these mobile officers into a single car?
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im gonna go out on a limb and say the above poster is a hard charging west side tactical copper who is a little upset that coppers are on his turf getting the dopw and pissers before he can... give me a break stroke who cares... and by the way your not impressing anyone with your tuff guy im from the west side routine. nobody cares if your a copper on the westside. no, im not from tru, msf or the west side so I have no interest in making any of you look good. policework now is a huge joke and always will be.. will never be the same as it use to be. phil cline is right, police work is looooonnnggg gone. we will never ever get the streets back... former housing/153 -- 1997-2006
Anyone notice on Blog 501 the last question posted was on 29 June.
HIRE MORE POLICE. What happened to the recruit class that was supposed to start in JUNE?
The police have lost control of "Chitroit" and it will be a long time before it will be saved. We have cops, and laws on the books. The problem is in the judicial system. Judges do not uphold the law in cook county. Any officer who has been to court has seen this first hand. Police can make arrests all day long but if the court doesn't hold the criminal responsible then the lesson learned is getting arrested is no big deal. Has anyone else seen that these assholes think its cool to get locked up?
Jody Weis thank you for ruining my dream come true of finally becoming a Chicago Police Officer... May god protect the brothers in blue...
We all complain that da mayor, jfled, his crew, etc are responsible for the increase in violence against the police, and they better do something before it gets out of hand. Guess what, its out of hand. Tom, Thor, and MIke all fought back, they were being the police and are true hereos.
We the police officers need to step up and stop being like these mutts we deal with and expect someone else to solve our problems. WE are the only ones who can help US. I understand all the odds against us, all the liberals, politicians, etc., who hate us, the monday morning quarterbacks. It starts with the smallest of events, letting that person commit a simple traffic violation in front of you with no police response. We are not sheep, we can protect ourselves, we don't have to just take it. We can fight back, and still stay within the law, but at least we are fighting back. By letting these savages sit their and challenge us without no response is cowardice. We signed up to be the POLICE let's start acting like it. I have come upon more than one scene where officers are being threatened, and the officers do nothing. This attitude is sending the wrong message to the savages, they see us being hesitant about being hands on, and they store that in their limited capacity memory banks and use it against us at a later time. What it comes down to is, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6". Please stop waiting for those that hate the police to help us, we have to help ourselves.
AMEN!
We say yet again. The Malignant Little Gnome & j-fled were willing to eat the cost of some citizens and a few Police Officers being maimed and killed, they really were, as long as they achieved their goal of running the Department into the ground.
The problem is that they had no idea their experiment in terror would spontaneously disassemble so spectacularly. Now they're scared out of their minds that people are starting to catch as on to who the real enemies of the upright tax paying citizens are.
Too many of the same people with the same 20 or 30 last names (boyhood chums and cousins usually) have made FORTUNES at the tax payers expense. Yes, these "pink guys" as Kass called them, are all MILLIONAIRES on the city's dime & time.
Rigged bids, bogus minority front companies, automatic built in cost overruns on public works projects. Projects that are never on time or under budget! Use of substandard/shoddy materials to ensure paving and construction contracts in perpetuity.
A city council that is a money faucet for these "pink guys."
These assholes piss away money out of spite then turn around just as bold and tell Police Officers "you'll get nothing and be glad we're giving it to ya."
They gamed this thing perfectly...
Thanks to the media, people believed shorty's lie that the Police are responsible for the shortfall in the city budget and public service employees are the cause for the national economy going to shit.
Public employees and their pensions are under attack nation-wide (especially in democrat controlled states) because of theft, mismanagement and chronic underfunding.
Scapegoating at it's best because people are angry about being underwater on their homes, eating their 401K's and being afraid in general.
"Take away their sweet pensions and early retirements" are the buzzwords of the 2010's. Police Officers are front and center in this mess because they are the most visible functionaries of government and easy targets for the public's MISPLACED ire.
King shorty cynically and masterfully exploits this and the people have yet to call bullshit in a loud unified voice.
Corruption in this town is like a large, rotting, shit encrusted onion with Daley at the core.
Kass is the only media member with stones and stomach enough to wield a paring knife.
Bravo! Keep it coming!
Cline's appoinments were nothing compared to what we are dealing with now, i'd die for the Cline or Hillard regimes again.
We could easily re-gain control of the streets but the following must happen:
1) Hire
2) Change the state law in regards to punitive damages and allow the involved municipality to cover them again; That was really the beginning of the end.
3) Let the police be the police and quit worrying about the b.s. beefs.
4) Zero-tolerence ala New York, lock people up for everything and set the tone! Allow street supervisor some latitude to move people around and use them as they see fit.
5) Re-draw the district boundaries, it's way over due, I would even go so far as to say that if districts share a zone and calls are close cars from both districs should be able to go and assist without worrying about a district boundary; the patch says Chicago Police.
We could take it back quickly if the above were to happen. I know it's a pipe-dream but it would work.
Even if the city hires more police, this city is going to burn in the next decade. Nobody wants the police to be aggressive so in turn, crime will rise! Let the liberals have their way, let the punks act like fools, let the shootings continue, and watch how the police will stand by looking in disgust just waiting for retirement!
shortshanks doesn' care and neither does burke. They have their bodyguards, fuck the citizens of shanksville is how they feel.
Sooner or later they Will get what's coming to them.
I'll piss on daleys grave when that fine day arrives.
Two separate events of people pointing/firing guns at police...
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/07/cops-fire-shots-at-armed-suspect-during-traffic-stop.html
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/07/cops-2-in-custody-after-shooting-at-police.html
Say what you want about Cline, but Cline was something J-FLED isn't/wasn't: the POLICE. Although a little rolly poley, Cline wore the uniform
With pride and dealt with the shit of the shit. Cline had respect for the street coppers.
What I don't get about the Kass article is why Kass says the money isn't there to hire more cops. There is money- daley is just parlaying it elsewhere meanwhile xxxx-ing w. the Department.
Not that I haven't posted negative comments about Phil, but not he, JFled or anyother supp. in the daley era has had the ability to promote exempts freely. daley would never allow 100k plus a year jobs handed out without his approval. He may not pick each exempt but he picks most.
The police department of today is the pd that daley wanted. The path of least resistance for Dick was to castrate the pd to appease the reveunds and other minority voting blocks.
Watch your six out there, back each other up and 19P everything else.
John Kass has written another great article in todaysTribune. Other members of the media need to take off the kid gloves they normally use on Ritchie. He needs to be forced to explain where all the money went. After all he's the asshat that ran this ship aground. He wants everyone to bail him out now by taking unpaid furlo days etc. Fuck him and his alderthieves.
I don't know if it was like this before, but the department is filling up with people who are more interested in vacations, sick time, a desk job and then supervisor. They don't want to be on the street, they didn't sign up to arrest people and they certainly didn't apply for "that job", you know, the one that requires you to put your hands on an offender that is beating the hell out of someone and they sure as hell didn't sign up to handle a man with a gun call. When is payday (of course, payday is important to all of us, but that isn't the only reason we're here) and when can I get my next day off. How can someone who can't even lift 50 pounds fight one of these monsters that are out there. And make no mistake, these are monsters that we deal with in the course of our duties. How can you use your firearm in defense of another or yourself when you have trouble qualifying each year? This job requires a certain amount of physical ability that many of these noobs don't have and they just won't go out of their way to practice or work out. Of course, a smart copper can avoid many confrontations with some smooth talk and finesse and still get the desired results. I think we're sunk. When the fit hits the shan, a good number of us aren't up to it and don't want to anyway.
The Stuttering Prick and COWARD J-Fled are sitting on a time bomb.
Tick-tock, tick-tock...
The Thin Blue Line, We have all heard of the thin blue line, the line between us and them, but these past years, under poor lesdership and no direction from the Ivory Tower, this thin blue line is barely recognized. The police are no longer feared and respected by gangs. The gangs of Chicago have taken over and fear no one. When a Chicago Police Officer, in Uniform, can not feel safe in front of his house, it is over, or feel safe in a police parking lot it is over, or visiting his retired Chicago Police father, it is over. This City has to get real again with leadership and direction and not pay back to the Rev's. I am retired and came on the job in 1970 and I am angry for the young police officers who have to work the street each day without guidance and leadership to do the job they want to do. Be safe always
This is an unfucking believable tragedy again!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no faith in this worthless city and imploding department (that I once loved).
It's truly over (no control) Detroit,Gary........
With all the false propaganda against the police this is what it has become, out of control and unstoppable. Once you lose it you can't get it back.
The iron fist the flowing ink from the stroke of a pen in your own words............. why!!!!!!!!!!
Give them what they want by the book, show up and do your job.
We have no one(s) to turn to.
Judaical system failing, Judges, don't even want to work eight hours, let alone fridays.
Appellate courts decisions like living on gated community fantasy islands. (reality check please)
Punitive law suits handed down from naive juries.
Corrupt Politicians (shitcago style).
Grandstanding reverends
Merit hacks (incompetent)
Bullshit C.R.#'s investigated without signed sworn affidavits.
Sit at call back minimum two years after your GOOD name is cleared from exonerated beefs!!!!!!!!!!
John Burge prosecuted (for lying)
William Cozzi (wrongfully imprisonment)
Now ask yourself is it worth it????
Cline is absolutely correct, they do not fear the police. Be more cautious than ever on any call and be cautious like never before even when not on any call. Do not hesitate to go full battle rattle if necessary in a heartbeat.
To the unpublished "Grim"
Go fuck yourself asshat. That incident was roundly condemned here and elsewhere and any defenders got no traction here.
J-Fled is characteristicly abscent AGAIN from making a statement as one of his officers is gunned down in the street. Remember he waited 48 hours before saying anything about Ofcr. Soderberg. He is ducking for cover AGAIN. The news says he has a death in his own family well CPD was supposed his FAMILY as well. What part of Appalachia is he in that they don't have phones or the internet video conference, or a Fox news affiliate.
WEIS don't care , he's in hiding again, he's full of shit, he started this whole mess by clearing the streets of police and deploying them stupidly and promoting idiots. Citizens are rightly calling for his head on a silver plater and daley better deliver or he is toast.
The second problem is, no matter if the criminals did fear the police, the criminal justice system would just let them go. Most of your violent offenders are already on probation and should be behind bars. They get time served for felonies, if they do anytime at all.
I agree. But the only solution here would be for enough of these judges and ASA's to become victims themselves. If that happened, then maybe they would actually make sure that the most violent offenders never see the light of day again.
And while you are at it, maybe we can take away both Daley's and Burk's body guard detail. While returning those officers to street duty would not really help, it would be a damn nice wake up call for those two idiots. But who am I kidding. Don't be surprised if they expect and demand the detail to continue once they lose their office.
the mayor got the police dept that he wants this is blk on blk crime what are the blk alderman doing about this mater NOTHING SO BE IT
we are short 2500 police officers ask fop
FEAR DA POLICE?
CMON WE WEAR SHORTS AND A BASEBALL CAPS!
WE CARRY TASERS INSTEAD OF METAL FLASHLIGHTS.
WE PUNCH AND BREAK ARE HAND INSTEAD OF WEIGHTED GLOVES AND BLACKJACKS.
WE WORRY ABOUT THE WITNESS THAT S A BANGER AND HOLDING THEM AGAINST THEIR WILL.
WE WORRY ABOUT CAMERAS BEING ON AND SAYING "BAD" WORDS ON CAMERA!
WE WORRY ABOUT ARE SQUADS TRACKING AND TAPING US NOT MOVING FOR AN HOUR.
WE WORRY ABOUT J-FLED READING ARE EMAILS.
AND HERES MY KICKER
WE KEEP TRACK OF CR'S AND ARREST AND HUNDREDS OF OTHER STATS ON OFFICER, YET WHEN ITS TIME FOR PROMOTION I HAVE TO GIVE A RESUME TO MY COMMANDER WHO ONLY KNOWS WHO THE BEEFERS ARE.
CMON A RESUME! MIKEY MASTER HASNT COME UP WITH A WAY TO FIND THE GREAT LEADERS OF TOMORROW.
CLOWNS WITH CRIMINAL FAMILIES LIKE CARROTHERS MAKE THE GRADE?
ASSWIPE WITH SEXUAL HARASSMENT BEEFS ARE THE CREAM OF THE CROP!
IF THEY LISTED THESE STROKES IN THE NEWS PAPER AND THEIR BACKGROUND J-FLED WILL HAVE EGG ON HIS FACE.
SO MAY BE SCC U CAN RUN A POST AND GO DOWN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WITH A HISTORY LESSON FOR THE DEAD TREE MEDIA.
U COULD PUT MY FAVORITE ONE GUERRO THE RICO SUAVE STALKER ON THERE TOO.
One controversial but beneficial step towards reducing the amount of murders on the street would be to release the non violent drug offenders from the jails, legalize and control the crap they put into their bodies and finally put away all violent offenders with real time served sentences that would require them to stay locked up for a very long time with no possibility of probation or parole.
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TRUE, TRUE. A great idea whose time has come.
Dont put phil or any other boss on a pedestal......he did what Daley told him to do too....all for that fat pension and a cush job after retiring.....just because he isn't superintendent any longer doesn't absolve him of anything
Exactly what is an "asshat?" I need to know.
Attention:
Mush for brains poster 7-19-1:25 am
1. put down your drink
2. go back and take reading lessons
3. look up sarcasm
4. look up rhetoric
5. stay out on your limb, that's where bird brains can usually feel safe.
Never worked tac on west side, never worked west side. I do however see flawed leadership from fled and waste of manpower using three or four man units.
Replies like yours remind me of the insanity of trying to talk to a brick.
Next time do not embarrass unit 153
just give yourself a nom de plum (sp?) of dumbass.
5) Re-draw the district boundaries, it's way over due, I would even go so far as to say that if districts share a zone and calls are close cars from both districs should be able to go and assist without worrying about a district boundary; the patch says Chicago Police.
7/19/2010 02:39:00 AM
I've been doing that for years, no Sgt or LT has ever said squat about it. If it is close and the PO needs a hand, go up there, help him and wait for his own district to show up.
It will never change.
Had Thor successfully fought off his offender by shooting him out of fear for losing his weapon, the masses who claim to be so sad now would be clamoring for federal charges against Thor for shooting an unarmed man.
its happening now to a couple of cops in the Western US.
Alcohol is legal, taxed highly and regulated by a federal agency yet more people die from alcohol related deaths than cancer, AIDS and heart disease.
"Dont beleive the hype!"
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One controversial but beneficial step towards reducing the amount of murders on the street would be to release the non violent drug offenders from the jails, legalize and control the crap they put into their bodies...blah blah blah
Phil Cline is a good man and a good Cop, and he's right on target.
I retired last year after a career of nearly 36 years, and I don't miss it one bit. I loved being the Police, but much of that has changed.
The elected officials don't care, the race-baiting charlatans like jackson, sharpton, and pfleger don't care, and the worst part is that most of the citizens don't care.
Sure, we'll be reading about Officer Bailey for a couple of days, like we did the for Officers Soderberg and Wortham, but then it will go away.
Nobody gives a shit about us but us, and quite frankly, I sometimes wonder about some of "us".
Jfled well He can't make decisions here. He is only a figure-head for the dept. and can only create internal rules. Seriously, I don't like him either but in reality he doesn't play an important role with what is going on in society. Yes he has helped tie our hands with his silly rules.
The politicians & Revs wanted cameras in our cars. They pushed for it. The Mayor controls the purse strings on hiring. The politicians create laws and the ASA's & Judges are the ones that control the criminals destiny after an arrest. Vote these liberals out of office!
Phil Cline for Mayor! And no I am not kidding. Someone we can respect. (Everyone takes care of someone). Able to calm citizens, will be able to tell revs. to see their alderman and tell aderman to do their job.
-- Really I remember Phil standing in the church with the revs.
If I...saw that I was the cause of (poor) morale in this department, no one would have to ask me to leave. I would leave on my own.
with over 30 years as a police officer I can honestly say Terry Hillard and Phil Cline were the best superintendents .
They were also street cops , narcotics , gangs , detective division and they did have our back.
CPD now has civilians and many merit , political hacks that are looking for their net promotion.
How can JFLED have Police Officers working 1 man cars while his District Commanders have at least 6 caps officers , district secretaries , tact secretaries and other officers hiding performing no police function .
Tactical units should be in uniform working 2 man beat cars.
Remember back each other up , be carefull and respond safely to your assignments , wait for a back up , let the citizens wait .
Your safety comes first,
Sorry but I do miss Cline & love to see him as Mayor!!!
Now Cline was right in his comments, which brings to mind "even a broken clock is right twice a day".
Cline WAS the worst Superintendent until JFED came along in my nearly 30 years around here.
He took cronyism to a whole new level and his appearance was shameful.
We need a new mayor desperately. Then an outsider like Bratton with municipal big city police experience to take over.
This bullshit can be described in one word...LAWYERS..they make money through lawsuits, litigation, etc..
Please understand this..the LAWYERS created this litigation type society.....The City dont want to pay out to these lawyers...so they put a guy like Weiss in charge to discourge the Police from doing any work..Unfortunately, innocent people are being killed...The LAWYERS dont care though cause all they care about is their payday...
just read Kass column , alot of truth in it
mayor daley if blue light cameras are good enough for citizens that live in high crime areas
why not for you and your family
your salary of 200,000 , you can cartainly afford private security
you assign officers to your private home in an upscale neighborhood while the tax payer live in fear
your superintendent JFLED has police officers assigned to units like news affairs and doing secretarial work in district stations . we need this to stop now. Our officers are being killed on and off duty infull uniform . Years ago an officer in uniform would prevent crimes and you think these blue light cameras are scaring the dope man.
I don't think you believe that or you would have a blue light camera outside your home and not a police officer making 70,000 a year times 3 , that's alot of money to protect you while the citizens of chicago and beat officers live in fear
Cline had respect for the street coppers.
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Cline had respect for clout and poontang. Memorial foundation pays well I hear.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704334604575339153865582376.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop
cities disbanding police and "renting" coppers right up aldergoofs beales territory!
News reporting 42 shot this weekend...
"As honorary chairman of the welcoming commitee, it is my privilege to extend to you a laurel and hardy handshake to our new... chief ernie brown."
7/19/2010 06:28:00 AM
Great post
/19/2010 12:32:00 AM
Anonymous said...
Does it seem like there is another horrible trend of cpd officers having heart problems and passing away suddenly prior to retirement? Never exempt, just officers. Just noticing.
7/19/2010 12:36:00 AM
Do Not Drink The Kool Aid. But seriously folks; most Phat Phuk exempts are still thriving and collecting pensions. The lowly and down trodden PO does not have a chance.
The problem is in the judicial system. Judges do not uphold the law in cook county. Any officer who has been to court has seen this first hand. Police can make arrests all day long but if the court doesn't hold the criminal responsible then the lesson learned is getting arrested is no big deal. Has anyone else seen that these assholes think its cool to get locked up?
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For the THUGS, it's their 'badge of honor'...no fear from the court system...3 squares and out in no time~
I am a firm believer in the Broken Window theory which is essentially A zero tolerance policy and lock everyone up for the smallest thing before it escalates into something bigger. Problem with that is that when you do lock people up even for DOPW you have to be very afraid of a lawsuit and get hit with punitive damages ala the officers from 004 not that long ago. I love listening to the young naive officers with less than 5 years on the job or just coming out of the academy cause they believe if you do everything the right way you dont have to worry about getting sued and getting in trouble. WRONG!! all it takes is for the dirtbag you locked up to say he did not do what you locked him up for a when he goes to civil trial and because everyone hates the police they will reward him with a huge payday and the jury will also require you to pay out of your own pocket. Honestly, the best thing to do is arrest only on a signed complaint and even then you may still be sued. be careful, use your heads, and try not to be so naive like these meatheads with less than 5 years on the "job"
Anonymous said...
HIRE MORE POLICE. What happened to the recruit class that was supposed to start in JUNE?
They are in the six training DST already
CLINE FOR MAYOR... ? Interesting idea and great concept. He has my vote, DO IT PHIL!!!!!
former housing/153 -- 1997-2006
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Yes, sir, there's something that's a point of pride.
I'm so sorry to read of the loss of the fine Officers and for all the crap that you guys & gals have to take. Even if it doesn't seem like it, your efforts are appreciated by the honest citizens. To hell with the gangbangers. Stay safe, please.
-not a cop
Anonymous said...
"we have some good men and women who would be the best sgt's for this department , but lack the 60credits hours which daley impose to fuck good officers over"
Dude, as easy as it is to amass 60 credit hours, anyone who doesn't have them obviously DIDN'T want the job in the first place.
7/15/2010 09:23:00 AM
DUDE, believe it or not there are people on the job from back when you were still shitting in your diaper,
that did not have to have any college to get hired or promoted. Do you know what, DUDE, Assholes that couldn't be a pimple on the ballbag of a Policeman changed the rules. So what do you have now? DUDES and DUDETTES that know everything about anything but no common street smarts. And you wonder how we lost the streets.....DUDE.
Even if the city hires more police, this city is going to burn in the next decade. Nobody wants the police to be aggressive so in turn, crime will rise! Let the liberals have their way, let the punks act like fools, let the shootings continue, and watch how the police will stand by looking in disgust just waiting for retirement!
Are you retarded? this very thinking is the exact reason why we are getting attacked and shot, they know people are laying down and they are exploiting it, they openly challenge us daily now, they shoot at us like it's a sport with absolutely no fear, then they brag about and now they are calling the tac oiffices in 003 and 006 and telling the officers that there will be more to come, and guress what? there was, they shot at the police at 61st and Woodlawn, less than 24 hrs after killing one of ours. Now if all of this doesn't get people in gear and back at their job then they should quit before they end up being next; and if you think you are safe because you work in 020, 019, 001 or an inside spot, guess what? YOU'RE NOT!
I don't know if it was like this before, but the department is filling up with people who are more interested in vacations, sick time, a desk job and then supervisor. They don't want to be on the street, they didn't sign up to arrest people and they certainly didn't apply for "that job", you know, the one that requires you to put your hands on an offender that is beating the hell out of someone and they sure as hell didn't sign up to handle a man with a gun call. When is payday (of course, payday is important to all of us, but that isn't the only reason we're here) and when can I get my next day
A captain once told me that "We went from having a profession to now having a job"'. The city made this bed now they have to sleep in it.Good police work gets u nothing.Real good police work may get u jail time with mimmie me and j fed running the dept.
The problem also is we can't be the Police anymore!
Put hands on an asshole and they scream bloody murder and want to sue us!
The courts don't back us! The judges don't respect us! The lawyers all want to fuck us A.S.A's as well as the Defense! The Politicians routinely throw the Police under the bus!
Why bother and let this stinking city go down the toilet!
All I want is my Pension and to leave this dump!
"Cline is absolutely correct, they do not fear the police."
He shares a lion share of the blame,Fuck fat phil& his memorial slush fund.
YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE SUN-TIMES AND SEE HOW FUCKED UP AND STUPID THE STUTTERING PRICK SOUNDS NOW.
WHAT AN IDIOT.
7/19/2010 12:45:00 AM
Having the state take over control of the PD .....LOL The state is just an arm of the corruption...It starts at the State Supreme Court not controlling the local courts and letting the courts and SA's get away with what they don't do best....convict the bad guys.....
Wonder how long it will take the CPD and the City to recover from Clines and then J-FEDs promotion of incompetance to exempts. If things changed right now?? 10 years? How about never.
Also, pondering if or how many people may get shot/killed walking up on off-duty CPD officers? It is bound to happen.
Gone to a cross draw since PO Wortham was killed and Thor execution just solidified my decision.
Anonymous said...
"...We could easily re-gain control of the streets but the following must happen:
1) Hire
2) "Change the state law in regards to punitive damages..."
3) "Let the police be the police..."
4) "Zero-tolerence..." "Allow street supervisor some latitude..."
5) "Re-draw the district boundaries." "if districts share a zone and calls are close cars from both districs should be able to go and assist..."
I know it's a pipe-dream but it would work.
7/19/2010 02:39:00 AM
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WELL SAID, MY FRIEND!
Please allow me to enhance a bit.
I don't think "we could EASILY re-gain control". Our entire profession has been wanting for REAL leadership and direction for the last 2 yrs, at least, and coppers attitudes, concerns and needs have to be re-trained and re-learned. Another poster suggested that only coppers with 8+ yrs on, actually know how to be the real police. Yes or no, its a long hard road.
Unfortunately, you are correct. It IS a pipe dream!
1) Daley won't hire (too expensive).
2) regarding punitive damages: The police and city should be exempt from lawsuits ENTIRELY unless it can be proven that they overtly and deliberately abused their police powers. Accidents and or missteps that were made while an officer is sincerely acting in a manner that is explainable and sensible and done without malice, should not be allowed to be actionable in a court of law. The judges and prosecutors cannot be routinely sued and neither should the police.
3) Citizen complaints should be directed to the street Sgt, who should have the authority to dismiss it right then and there. Of course, the BB balled ones may still get the CR, BUT they should be given the OPTION to kill the beef on the spot.
4) Zero Tolerance, yes, but won't work without above #'s 1-3.
5) Agreed, enough said.
Until the politicians stop catering to the minority rev-runs and special interest groups, however, we are ALL fu*ked, police and citizens, alike!
Comrade-in-Charge and King Democommiecrat Daley has finally gotten the police department and the city he wanted. He and His socialist Judge Comrades who have eased the laws on criminals, and made laws to further handcuff the police, in their diligent and now impossible job of enforcing our laws, have been the kiss of death to life in a civilized society, now we must all live in a noisey, crime and corruption - filled, banana republic of a city, a kind of Havana, Cuba, but with more violence, snow and potholes, fouled up parking meters, poluted lakes, and constant scandals, higher taxes, and managerial incompetence in every department. . Congrats Daley, you ARE truly King Midas, in reverse, as everything you touch doesn't turn to gold, but it does all turn to SHIT.
LOW morale: understaffed (patrol officers, e.t.'s, sgt.'s etc...),citizens against you, reverends against you, lawyers praying on you, judicial system OVERLOADED, exempt members who have NEVER done police work, no equipment, no support from our politicians...what is anyone expecting a great police attitude? when you get put down psychologically---sooner or later you start to believe it!!!!!so, just try to stay safe!!!
The reign of Ernie Brown is off to a great start!
We know what happen j-fled brought his f.b.i. mentality, never worked the urban area..
Sight alignment, sight picture, squeeze. Repeat as many times as necessary, or until all gangbangers are dead or have fled. And always remember: A. Speed is fine; accuracy is final. B. You are Never off duty. C. In a real firefight, it really doesn't matter who shoots first. D. Don't leave home without it. Heads up!
Phil started this by promoting incompetent people.Again you had to have college to be promoted and what did he do promoted people who had no college.Good moral booster. Does your appearance command respect Phil. In a word NO.You put supervisors in the D unit who were never a Det and had no clue but since they were your people they knew everything and fucked up everything.Now Jfed comes in with the g men and you were going to change the world. Well you did all for the worse.Daley wanted a suburban police dept and you gave it to him and you wonder why its out of control.Your policy group is a joke and so is 3/4's of the command staff. Compliments to the bartender on tv ,looks like Monique Bond and her go to the same hair dresser and dentist. Would you let them know that we have a dental program. And it won't be long that Chicago will become Mexico with the sanctuary city for all the cartels and wait till they get rollin with multiple homicides and police shot. But wait the cameras will solve them I forgot that's what Daley tells everyone.You can also give credit to your fucked up policy group who couldn't combine their thought's on a bowel movement
Its Over
Daley has to GO!!! I grew up in Bridgeport and use to like him but he is KOO KOO and going after the law abidding citizens prevents us from having guns(has a 15 man security detail) and is raising taxes wont let police be the police
I worked for Phat Phil and with Phat Phil, and I know that Phat Phil Cline was only interested in what served his best interest.
That's right.
I know I'll take verbal garbage from the Cline Clowns, but it must be said.
Where was his fat ass when we were short manpower back then, during the time he was Superintendent?
This shortage isn't just recent, it has been going on for the last 10 years.
And what about all the promotions of the Cline Clowns?
No...we don't want Phat Phil for Mayor, we want Phat Phil held accountable with the rest of the asshats.
Chicago is going down the tubes fast....thanks to the years of corruption with Daley and his possie of thieves....alderscum, revs, liberal media, etc. Time to move out of this state. This city, county, state is just awful.
I think we should get the sheriff from Arizona, to run for mayor or at least be the super.
We are locking them up and they are out be for our shift is over.
DUMP DALEY
The Thin Blue Line, We have all heard of the thin blue line, the line between us and them, but these past years, under poor lesdership and no direction from the Ivory Tower, this thin blue line is barely recognized. The police are" the pos in 017 hate the pos that live in the district
CHECK OUT ALL THE GUNS THE CITY SAID AREN'T SAFE AND THAT YOU CAN'T REGISTERED.
http://www.ammoland.com/2010/07/15/c...safe-handguns/
THIS CITY SUX, DICK DALEY SUX.
The two tier system of discipline is paying dividends now! Nobody will do a fucking thing after watching their brother and sister officers UNJUSTLY railroaded and maligned.
Free Cozzi!
CLOUT HAS DESTROYED THE CITY OF CHICAGO!!!
DUMP DALEY!
We are truly on our own. The mayor, judges, aldermen, don't want us to be the police. The superintendent doesn't know what it means to be the police. Civil suits, suspensions, firings, imprisonment, means it damned dangerous to be the police. It all comes down to us. If we don't take care of ourselves then we are doomed.
The department better start givig self defense classes to all police officers, battery to p/o's are up 300%. We are getting killed out there!
The range guys must have worked realy hard to ban guns as old as our country. The J-Fed list of unsafe guns are as old as dirt. I thought I was a gun guy, but I never heard of Chicago Firearms Co. of the late 1800's.....
Face it...you're expendable...
As for redrawing district boundaries, that is a shitstorm that no one wants to touch.
The politicians don't want to lose "their guy" in the commanders' offices.
As for re-allocating manpower: If you redraw district boundaries, that means taking police from lower calls-for-service areas, like 016 and moving them to we all know where. Those people up in 016 and the like will pitch a bitch (rightously so). And there is not enough manpower there to move to make a difference anyway. No one wants kick that beehive.
The days of the aggressive police are gone. Even if an officer want to do pro-active police work, who is there to show them how? We are no longer hunters of evil-doers but report-taking social workers and PR flubs.
I don't know what all the steps to rebuilding the City and police department are. Daley has to go. It is time. And the merit promotions system has been a major component of this disaster. Because no matter who gets promoted, that promotion is tainted.
The communities that are hard hit by the violence need to take a stand and put a stop to it. Marches and singing with the rev's doesn't do it. The Revs need to start to lead their communities and congregations on a path of personal responsibility.
PROPOSAL TO FIX THIS PROBLEM:
1. remove the in car cameras
2. Remove the gps
3. Make it a crime to video the police and enforce it
4. Grant us the immunity that the DA and judges have
Until then, we can't do shit about the problem. And you know it.
J-FLED said...
If I...saw that I was the cause of (poor) morale in this department, no one would have to ask me to leave. I would leave on my own.
7/19/2010 09:04:00 AM
Just more proof why we can't trust them. They always lie!
"As for re-allocating manpower: If you redraw district boundaries, that means taking police from lower calls-for-service areas, like 016 and moving them to we all know where."
They're already doing just that. They took the gang teams from the districts. They use MSF and TRU as an army of occupation you "know where" every summer night and nothing changes.
"Face it...you're expendable..."
Another way the Demented Dwarf is cutting our numbers.
Welcome to CPD!
Peace officers must be indemnified by our Federal Goernment and immune from prosecution and not to be held liable for punitive damage in the course of civil action suits for taking said police action and or for what they believe is appropriate police action when confronting the evils of our society while acting in the scope of their job (which by the way is considered to be on duty 24 hrs a day)
The Government can then have an appeal board for those that want to appeal that they were mistreated and their rights were violated however the government should CAP all civil payouts in advance to cover pain and suffering or the coffin if necessary at a minimul dollar amount....say 30,000.00!
Nothings perfect in this real world and so aren't the police but that is all society has to protect the innocent from the horrors of life something radical needs to get done here ...
I do know this I keep getting these National FOP Newsletters and bullshit and I keep wondering WHY this issue is not pursued and WHAT the hell do these people do....Golf Outings? There has to be an agenda and this is the ONLY one that should be sought by any NATIONAL FOP.
FEDERAL IMMUNITY FOR U.S. PEACE OFFICERS!
3 bars
Had Thor successfully fought off his offender by shooting him out of fear for losing his weapon, the masses who claim to be so sad now would be clamoring for federal charges against Thor for shooting an unarmed man.
its happening now to a couple of cops in the Western US.
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Hell, it's happening to a Cop here in Chicago. Frivolous lawsuits...complete time wasters! The Judges need to step up, and throw our these senseless cases, and make the Lawyers pay for wasting ones time. I believe they encourage these low-life's to wreck havoc towards the police officers. It's like they throw shit against the wall, hoping something will stick! They instead should tell these 'shitbirds' to keep buying their lotto tickets, instead of wasting court resources,and upstanding citizens time. We are in a real state of flux, no commonsense, absolutely no regard for police...and no regard for God and life! You pay taxes, you have rights...all others go to the back of the line...
I worked for Phat Phil and with Phat Phil, and I know that Phat Phil Cline was only interested in what served his best interest.
That's right.
I know I'll take verbal garbage from the Cline Clowns, but it must be said.
Where was his fat ass when we were short manpower back then, during the time he was Superintendent?
This shortage isn't just recent, it has been going on for the last 10 years.
And what about all the promotions of the Cline Clowns?
No...we don't want Phat Phil for Mayor, we want Phat Phil held accountable with the rest of the asshats.
Layoff the crack pipe, we haven't had a major manpower problem up until the last few years, post Cline, sorry you didn't get promoted but none of this is Clines fault..
Phil started this by promoting incompetent people.Again you had to have college to be promoted and what did he do promoted people who had no college.Good moral booster. Does your appearance command respect Phil. In a word NO.You put supervisors in the D unit who were never a Det and had no clue but since they were your people they knew everything and fucked up everything
Yeah your right, that was the cause of all the problems.. Funny but I was in the D unit, the WORST bosses we had were usually the ones that HAD been detectives...
Peace officers must be indemnified by our Federal Goernment and immune from prosecution and not to be held liable for punitive damage in the course of civil action suits for taking said police action and or for what they believe is appropriate police action when confronting the evils of our society while acting in the scope of their job (which by the way is considered to be on duty 24 hrs a day)
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Agreed sir. Its wrong that the judges and states attorneys are indemnified, but then again, look whos in the position to vote and provide for that?
How many times have you witnessed asa's instructing officers to go ahead and do something that you know is absolutely wrong? Sadly many officers think its okay to do because the asa told them to do it.
Be smart, because many of these asas are not. And nothing will happen to them, regardless of the story you tell to defend yourself in civil court some day.
ASAs know that and do not care about us. Please remember that.
SCC:"Even if we had the ability to project that amount of force (which we don't), we wouldn't be permitted to exercise it."
That is really the key.You are not allowed to go OLD SCHOOL on people and the savages know it.I have worked both the nonPC and PC eras and violence works.
Give some dirt bag a good wood shampoo or some aluminum blunt trauma,they get the point.
Harsh language backed up with a bitch slap works.Lets moo&oink know that more is coming in the form of some lead nutrition.
CAPS,Ceasfire,nuetered saturation teams and specialty units that are just clout baby havens do not work.
To the 4:48 post. You are probably a merit hack who was one of Phil's buddy's and the bosses asked you to do some work because the other merit hacks didn't have a clue like you. I also was a Det and had no problems with the guy's who passed the test and who were Det's and knew what day it was and actually knew what a crime was and how to handle it.
Well, you were wrong "staysafe."
All our posts are labeled.
You're welcome to try reposting without the nonsense accusation.
Anonymous said...
"Face it...you're expendable..."
Another way the Demented Dwarf is cutting our numbers.
Welcome to CPD!
7/20/2010 02:10:00 AM
The few; the expendable; the CPD
"I would even go so far as to say that if districts share a zone and calls are close cars from both districs should be able to go and assist without worrying about a district boundary; the patch says Chicago Police."
--7/19/2010 02:39:00 AM
You mean that's been stopped? Man, years ago when someone called in a "man trying to entice children to come with him 'to get their picture taken' at Thorndale and Winthrop -- right by the Swift School -- both 20 and 24 had cuffs on the guy like lightning. Yeah, the guy with the big Nikon SLR around his neck. Real hard to spot. Idiot. Came back wanted on a suburban warrant...GONE. Empty space where once he stood.
If you'da blinked, you'da missed the whole thing.
CHECK OUT ALL THE GUNS THE CITY SAID AREN'T SAFE AND THAT YOU CAN'T REGISTER.
--7/19/2010 10:01:00 PM
http://www.ammoland.com/2010/07/15/chicago-police-department-roster-of-unsafe-handguns/
Daisy? That's not even a firearm. Delivers a whopping 5 foot-pounds of muzzle energy. It'd be more dangerous to beat someone over the head with it than shoot them.
No matter. At a time when one police officer after another is being shot down in the middle of the street -- not to mention the one-year-olds in strollers, etc. -- the Mayor is sweating over BB guns, weird old derringers and ancient trick pistols seen only in museums.
MAYOR DALEY IS CLINICALLY INSANE.
You are probably a merit hack who was one of Phil's buddy's and the bosses asked you to do some work because the other merit hacks didn't have a clue like you. I also was a Det and had no problems with the guy's who passed the test and who were Det's and knew what day it was and actually knew what a crime was and how to handle it.
No sorry, not a merit hack, passed the test on my own by giving up funtime and studying, and no I never worked for Cline, i'm a beat Sgt. on a watch, I owe nobody anything but know a good boss when I work for one, and Cline was one of the best; actually only met him twice and he remembered my name, a lowly Sgt. he was/is a class act in my book and the best Supe I've worked for in my 16 years.
1. remove the in car cameras
2. Remove the gps
3. Make it a crime to video the police and enforce it
4. Grant us the immunity that the DA and judges have
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your an idiot, are you from SOS?
"your an idiot, are you from SOS?
7/22/2010 02:18:00 AM"
I know you are, but what am I?
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