Beale Speaks (Out of his Ass)
The Daley administration agreed Tuesday to hold Chicago's first police entrance exam in four years to ease a severe manpower shortage -- amid demands that applicants no longer be required to complete at least two years of college.
Ald. Anthony Beale (9th), chairman of the City Council's Police Committee, wants to "level the playing field" for minorities to increase diversity in the ranks at a time when a two-year hiring slowdown has left the Chicago Police Department more than 2,300 officers-a-day short of authorized strength.
No matter how you cut that, Beale falls into the "racism of diminished expectations" trap, and it's an insult to every minority who has succeeded despite obstacles thrown into their paths. Instead of catering to the lowest, how about finding decent respectable people of all stripes who want to serve? Who want to make an impact? Who think that they can change things in some small way, shape or form? Sure, it's idealistic, but most of us came on the job knowing we wouldn't get rich, but who wanted to make a difference somehow.
Someone from Personnel might be able to find the Department breakdown as compared to the City's population breakdown, but we're pretty sure the numbers are pretty reflective. And guess who the actual minority is nowadays?
Someone from Personnel might be able to find the Department breakdown as compared to the City's population breakdown, but we're pretty sure the numbers are pretty reflective. And guess who the actual minority is nowadays?
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
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And guess who the actual minority is nowadays?
taxpayers?
You never needed brains to become Alderman, just the OK from shortshanks.
Someone please slap this stupid mofo ! Does he really believe that "minorities" are mentally inferior ???
Goofs like Beale keep the stereotypes in motion.
Shame on you Beale, what an asshole !!!!!
I'm sickened by this statement made by an ignorant person. What ever hapenned to personal responsibility ? I joined the military with a green card. Went to college with the help of the GI bill.I wanted to become an FBI agent for the glory.I was young dumb and full of cum Ok what do you expect. But I decided to become a Chicago cop. Thank God I made the right decision. Doing police work is fulfilling for me as when the regular citizen thanks you for responding to their call and doing the work we as police officers do.
As a member of C.F.D., I feel the Dept. is one place that needs a 2 yr requirement. Most of the newest additions to the Dept. are a bunch of rock heads. It's amazing how easy the last test was made in order to "level the playing field" for another group of individuals. I feel that most male/female 1's have more opportunities to succeed than all other backgrounds. However, most feel it's owed to them and they need to sit back and slide through. It's ridiculous! It's all about...."I'm gonna gets mines." We all know what school of thought Beal represents!
In this economy, we should have a flood of overqualified applicants. Why should we bring down the standards when so many Americans are looking for a job? His entire argument is baseless. "Many african americans can't afford college, and go into the trades or the military." First off, military service qualifies you for eligibility for the CPD, so that shit is out the window. Secondly, our government hands out millions in tuition assistance for minorities. So cram it Beale. What ever happened to best man for the job?
As if there wasn't enough ignorance and lack of education permeating from all levels of the CPD currently.
When you have the time, peruse some case or arrest reports, whether on line or on paper in any given CPD facility to get an idea of the dolts that occupy a good percentage of this once-proud organization.
Catering to the lowest common denominator will only set the CPD back further. This suggestion by Beale amounts to nothing more than another form of entitlement for those that are too fucking lazy to, even minimally, take control their own destiny.
Those that comprise the demographics that Beale is championing oftentimes have a better chance of reaping the "elusive" benefits of education than non-minorities. There's a plethora of social programs, government funding and organizations (i.e. United Negro College Fund) that earmark millions of dollars precisely for this purpose; now if the shoe was on the other foot, however, there'd be hell to pay when the likes of JJ, Meeks, Sharpton, et al, shuffled and dealt the deck of Race Cards..."Full House!!! We've got Racial Disparity over White Guilt"!
The multi-generational "Catered-To-Constituency" is out of control as it is. We sure as Hell don't need to dredge the bottom of the gene pool looking for mindless mouth-breathers on which to pin badges.
(Some areas excluded due to being unsalvageable), the citizens of Chicago deserve better than this.
A high school graduate from the CPS.
Come on now Alderman!
You have to at the very least be able to spell, be able to testify in court. Keep the 2 years of college.
30 years ago a high school or a GED was the norm, not now. Give me a break.
A class of 100 Detectives will begin in mid November. The merit selection memo is being devised now.
What an ass. Just leave us alone. Quit trying to make this job even worse
I do not like the guy, but I think you should have to have only a high school diploma.
It is impossible to get 60 credits in 7 years. Seeing as how the age requirement is 25 y/o. I wonder how those doctors and lawyers get all dem degrees, they must be supermens and sh#$.
These race baiters will have an issue with the ethnic makeup of the police department until the last white officer is gone. Then they'll have the nerve to say the last white one sabotaged things, that's why it's so screwed up.
I can't believe how disgusted I am with the political climate of this city and the dim-wits that live here. Did you ever notice that leftists are never happy or satisfied with anything? No matter how much they screw things up, it's not enough for them. If you mind your own business, they come and screw with you. You just have too much of something that makes them want to punish you.
wouldnt this actually encourage minorities who want to be police officers to further their education? college isnt like it was 30 years ago. anyone can go these days with all the finicial aid and funding. is it really that much to ask for 60 semester hours. hell id do anything to make it a full 4 year degree. Is it really that hard alderman to ask that our new police be somewhat educated and mature? way to try to make this city a joke. "equal the playing field?" give me a break, how about not be a dumbass and get some sort of education beyond a HS diploma, which judging by how many "honor student" commit crime is apparently as easy to get these days as a pack of gum at the gas station. The same set of rules for hiring should apply to everyone. How about these aldercreatures focus on something more important like weeding out the 20,000 applicants who are testing because they would do anything for a job in this economy. I remember back in 08 waiting for an oral board in a suburb dept and speaking with a woman who had no interest in police work but tested only for the the idea of "its a job" and "its more stable than working at a bank" im realy happy after getting my degree in Law Enforcement as well as being in the military and waiting for this oppertunity since i was 5 that i have to compete with dumbasses who dont care about policing and "will take anything" I'm also real happy i have to use any "clout" i can hopefully find, now to get hired here seeing that my qualifications could possibly get beaten out by someone who wants the job "handed to them" i worked my ass off in college and the marine corps to get where i am, guess hard work means nothing these days. what a sucker i am. screw it, lets just can the requirements all together. NO drug testing, no physical, no backround checks. hell lets bring in bangers, they know the streets more than anyone dont they? they deserve a "shot." (pun intended) who the hell elects these morons?
The racial makeup of the city in 2000 was 41.97% white, 36.77% black, 4.35% Asian, 0.06% Pacific Islander, 0.36% Native American, 13.58% from other races, and 2.92% from two or more races. 26.02% of the population were Hispanic of any race. 21.72% of the population was foreign born; of this, 56.29% came from Latin America, 23.13% from Europe, 17.96% from Asia and 2.62% from other parts of the world.[4] The 2007 community survey for the U.S. Census showed little variation.[5]. Chicago has the fifth highest foreign-born population in the country.
Maybe we should open the door to convicted felons too
alderman beale is correct everyone should get a chance to be the police whether u have a college degree or not !I am 100%
for removing the 2 year degree
period. we dont need to continue to have everyone's whole family in the police department it is time for a change and given others a chance to be the police there should have never been a 2 year degree in order to be the police what a joke let people in the community within chicago a chance to be the police. wake up department the future is here
no more brothers and sisters
mother and father or i know someone so i am the police that is the pass. go ald. beale and thanks
a smart people is a person with experience.
Beale needs some history lessons.
Dr. King said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character".
African American Activists say "We are descended from kings and queens.".
Isn't now the time for character content, from, kings and queens?
Beale: Like Jesse Sr. says "If not you, who?".
College is not necessary for this job. Promotions are based on clout and policitcs, so why do we need a higher education? It is obivious the city does not care about the quality of a police recruit and put more emphasis on racial and gender equality.
The REAL policeman has become the minority.
I want smart police officers out there on the streets! I want a police officer that can think and make intelligent decisions. I want a police officer who can have solutions to the problems that are presented to him every day. I want a person to be a police officer who will take pride in being a Chicago police officer and that comes from having smarts. No, you don't learn street smarts from books, but it can be learned on the job. Having book smarts helps you make better decisions, better solutions. Yes, I want smart police officers out there! Don't change a thing!!
Ya its Chicago " motown " il
This from beals who is best qualified to ask if I want fries wit dat.
i'd like to see more white CTA bus drivers. everytime i ride the bus the color of the driver's skin is black. why do i want to see more white bus drivers? because i am a racist.
I'm the minority in a far southside district. M/2 surrounded my M/1's and F/1's. I don't mind at all and enjoy my coworkers. Its crap like beale is mouthing off that makes me ill.
When in doubt...
Throw the race card out
In an earlier post, I agreed with Ald. Anthony Beale's proposal to drop the entrance educational requirement (in favor of the Wonderlic 12-minute IQ test).
Make no mistake. I would also agree with a broken clock twice a day.
Miniorites CAN'T AFFORD to go to college?!?!?
What is this? 1940?
Just another excuse for lazy assholes who can't get out of fuckin' bed.
I don't think having college makes you a better officer. It wasnt required when I started years ago and I have successfully passed 2 promotional exams and been promoted. (And for all of you that think minorities only get promoted via merit, that wasn't the case for either of my promotions!) Of course during the time I have been on the job I have received my bachelors and masters degrees, and not from the diploma mill St Xavier or Calumet College either. Instead of all of the college requirements we just need people with common and street sense, because some of the most educated people that are being hired are the stupidest!
" Secondly, our government hands out millions in tuition assistance for minorities. So cram it Beale. What ever happened to best man for the job?"
Ha, have you ever really looked at how much tuition assistance the government "hands out?" The assistance given out doesn't even cover all of the tuition if you go to a 4 year university. You need to check your facts before you open your mouth, and minorities aren't the only ones benefitting from governmental assistance.
12 days medical a year and cpd will only be short 700
to many medical abusers
The irony is, the "minority majority" gets free education grants, affirmative admissions to college, paid tuition, etc etc. I certainly wish I had that opportunity, I didn't... I don't want to hear shit about so-called fairness. There is no excuse for lack of education regarding the population segment he is refering to.
Ald. Beale continued, "In the four years that my people have been waiting for a new test to be given they have not had a chance to attain the two years of college education. It is a travesty that my people be given this unfair disadvantage!"
im back and forth on this isssue. I had 2yrs of college when I came on 10yrs ago and actually was denied 2 yrs prior to that for being 2 credit hours short. I see these 23yo coming on now with their 4yr degrees and they dont know shit. They have no common sense at all. I guess thats understandable and to be expected when you went straight from HS to college and frat parties only to graduate and get hired to be the police and carry a gun. I dont necessarily think thats a good idea either. I personally prefer a guy with a proven track record of good past employment than a college kid who hasnt worked anywhere other than the local jimmy johns. At the same time it does weed out a lot of garbage too. Its not 1960 anymore and our young people arent great workers or great military guys like they were back then so I can see the need for college as well. Tough call. I say keep it, the negatives outweigh the positives
Maybe we should open the door to convicted felons too
9/30/2010 03:53:00 AM
I agree there are a small majority that acquire degrees while in prison. Although it may enhance their chances of becoming an aldercreature any past references may be problematic.
most suburban departments require a 4 year degree for police officers--- the two year requirement for the cpd was a good idea--- if you can't get your lazy ass out of bed and take some college courses you don't belong on this job--- being a good policeman requires a high level of discipline--- we know who the slobs are on this job, late every day and looking like you slept in your uniform all night in the dog cage, forgot your gun again, multiple court deviations, can't do a case report, etc.... sgt's are going to be busy spoon feeding all these "level the playing field" new hires.....
Someone already said this in a comment but in case you missed it.....
How is it that the alderman in charge of the police and fire board is so completely ignorant that he does not even know what the requirements are to apply for the job of police officer. ALD BEALE, YOU ARE A DUMBASS AND SHOULD STEP DOWN FOR YOUR IGNORANCE!!! How can you claim...
“A lot of minorities can’t afford to go to college. A lot of minorities go into the trades or into the military. Why should they be excluded?” Beale said Tuesday.
“We need to level the playing field by doing away with the college part and coming up with a new formula. If a person is 24 or 25, they’re at a maturity level where they can make solid decisions. Why not take that in place of college? The goal is get more minorities and streamline the process.”
Shouldn't the HEAD OF THE POLICE AND FIRE BOARD know the requirements to become a cop??? HERE IT IS ALD. BEALE, quoted DIRECTLY from the City of Chicago Police Exam site
"Interested applicants must also have earned at least 60 semester hours or 90 quarter hours of college credit prior to ..... to take the test. ALSO ACCEPTABLE ARE APPLICANTS WITH FOUR YEARS OF CONTINUOUS ACTIVE DUTY IN THE U.S. ARMED FORCES AS WELL AS THOSE WHO HAVE EARNED 30 SEMESTER HOURS OR 45 QUARTER HOURS OF COLLEGE CREDIT AND WHO HAVE ONE YEAR CONTINUOUS ACTIVE DUTY IN THE U.S. ARMED FORCES."
Ald Beale, either you are
1. A race baiter
2. Completely ignorant
or
3. All the above
Ok, so which is it? First some of you guys stated the department went downhill as soon as the college kids started coming, but now that the alderman agrees, you are against the idea?
a smart people is a person with experience.
9/30/2010 04:45:00 AM
the sad thing here is, this is not just the whiskey talking.
Anonymous said...
alderman beale is correct everyone should get a chance to be the police whether u have a college degree or not !I am 100%
for removing the 2 year degree
period. we dont need to continue to have everyone's whole family in the police department it is time for a change and given others a chance to be the police there should have never been a 2 year degree in order to be the police what a joke let people in the community within chicago a chance to be the police. wake up department the future is here
no more brothers and sisters
mother and father or i know someone so i am the police that is the pass. go ald. beale and thanks
a smart people is a person with experience.
9/30/2010 04:45:00 AM
This has to go up on my bulletin board as the "Dumbest Fucking Post of the Year"
I love it, "a smart people is a person with experience."
Yeah, you right, you sure do be right, uh uh.
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
I wish to pose a question to this thread, and please think about the question honestly before answering.
Are you having a problem with the proposal because new officers entering the academy need to have at least 60 college credit hours or is your problem with the messenger of the proposal?
A Few months the accidental Governor made some political hay by re-instating a state program which pays for the tuition of 160,000 low income students to attend college. Almost all of these are "minority" youths.
A question for the Alderman: Am I to infer from you statements on Police hiring that NONE of the participants in this state program for the past ten years has completed college and NONE want to be Police Officers? If this is the case then:
1: cancel the free college program
2: go fuck yourself on the Police hiring issue
Retired Sgt hired under Wilson
Anonymous said...
alderman beale is correct everyone should get a chance to be the police whether u have a college degree or not !I am 100%
for removing the 2 year degree
period. we dont need to continue to have everyone's whole family in the police department it is time for a change and given others a chance to be the police there should have never been a 2 year degree in order to be the police what a joke let people in the community within chicago a chance to be the police. wake up department the future is here
no more brothers and sisters
mother and father or i know someone so i am the police that is the pass. go ald. beale and thanks
a smart people is a person with experience.
9/30/2010 04:45:00 AM
Just read this last sentence and you see why we need 2years of college. I understand spelling mistakes and stuff, but when you can't even make coherant sentences that is a problem. College teaches you to proofread the stuff you written.
Also, how would dropping the college requirment stop people with relatives on the job from coming on. If anything, it would be easier.
So you can see how dumb this persons argument is and most likely how dumb this person is in general. You want him next to you in the squad? Writing paper that could come back to sue your ass later? No thanks. I'll take the smarter college educated guy every time.
To words PELL GRANT!!! This guy is Clown, he has tried to de-police us for the past 2 years. Has hired a conflict of intrest security firm to work in his ward. He has the highest amount of abandoned buildings in the city. I hope if we get the "Right" mayor you get launched from the police board. Who is in your pocket Beale?$$$?
This job isn't so much about the braun like it used to be, instead it's more about the brains. As evident with all the females on these days. You need to be smart about everything you do today otherwise you will get your ass sued left and right. We actually need more college and more strickter requirements because it's all about CYA these days... on the paper.
Do you need a college degree to become an Alderman? What about a brain?
We have alot of military coming back that need work. People who have been laid off with college degrees, and other police officers that may whan to transfer here. The whole point is there has not been an exam in over 4 years. I'm sure there's plenty of college and military qualified for the this job. And when I was in the academy my class was equally split up with race issue, the same amount of blacks, whites, hispanics, and others. If you look at south side districts it's about the same too. Beale is JUST MAKING EXCUSES again. Let's reduce that amount of un-qualified alderman in this city and save the "tax payers" some $$$$.
"Many african americans can't afford college, and go into the trades or the military."
My response: are you mad or insane or a little bit of both. Chicago has 5 community colleges all set up to help African Americans. plus, with all the grants and scholarships and government programs set up to aid African Americans, they are more able to go to college and get a degree in something than any Western European or Caucasian that lives in the city. so tute somebody else's horn!
The background checks need to be more in depth and thorough. Way to many banger cops, drug dealing cops and peoples who's brothers and fathers high ranking gang members. conflicts of interests to say the least. If the department removes the 2 years college requirement, step up the background investigations. Is it fair all those officers that went to college and paid out their butts and got no sleep doing all that work to get this job, did it because they wanted to be the police and now the next guy in line doesn't have to do the same. Not fair.
Tulsa, Oklahoma, requires a college degree for police officer applicants. Two years of college credit shouldn't be a show-stopper for anyone. However, in the interests of increasing the pool of potential applicants, would police officers agree that four years of honorable military service would be a reasonable substitute for college?
ECS
To the poster at 4:45am. You made so many grammatical errors that you are a perfect example for why sixty hours of college should still be necessary.
Hey 0737!
I came on the job in the 60's, fresh from the land of bad things. Went to 011. My FTO was a pretty good ol' CTA bus driver. Seems that he had plied the highways and byways of this great city, and learned that it must be more fun being the police. He was a good guy, never made it out of the district, maybe he was happy to just be there?
Met many more good black guys from the CTA. Some might have had a K9 tendency - most not. It was a way up and out for them.
Now you want to have gangbangers allowed into the game? Good luck Alderman.
Police work is not rocket science. It's how well you handle yourself in stressful situations. That's where the training scenarios in the academy come to play. Once you're hired and situated on the job and you want advance in your career, that's when college requirements should come into play.
Otherwise a HS diploma and a good head on your shoulders is all you need.
Anonymous said...
A high school graduate from the CPS.
Come on now Alderman!
You have to at the very least be able to spell, be able to testify in court. Keep the 2 years of college.
30 years ago a high school or a GED was the norm, not now. Give me a break.
9/30/2010 01:05:00 AM
30 yeras ago a high school education is now equal to a majority of these colleges degrees. At one time you could be flunked out of college now its highly unlikely nd politcally incorrect.
Alderman Beale: When are you gonna stop with the PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT, man?!!! Special exemptions for the unmotivated and those lacking ambition. GET REAL, Beale: A college degree is required to dig a ditch!! For everyone!
Most employers will tell you that they don't care what discipline the college degree is in, but they'll tell you that acquiring that college degree proves to the employer that the prospective employee is disciplined, determined and motivated and just might have an I.Q. above room temperature!!!
Do you want to put remedial reading books (See Dick run. See Jane run.) back on the shelves in the CPD Training Division library? Like Judge Prentice Marshall did in the eighties and nineties with his quota hiring? That's right, the quota hires had to have remedial readers because they were illiterate! They had to be taught to read and comprehend.
And now you want to reverse the achievements attained by the C.P.D. and the City of Chicago? Do you want to be the manager of the Cubs, too? Like Judge Marshall did?!!
We will be right back to where we were before with police corruption. That's why they made the requirements higher in the first place. Tell Ald Beal no to changing the standards. You need to make them higher!!!!
ward09@cityofchicago.org
Why not hire the gangbangers too.
When I came on the job close to 35 years ago, the educational requirement was high school or a GED. I had finished four years of college AND the military. My home room consisted of 27 people, five females, 22 males, with 17 of the males and one female having been in the military. Some of the slickest people in that class had a GED and turned out to be great police officers and a number of them were deservedly promoted. Well, times have certainly changed. The present educational requirements, however, are here to stay and very well should be. Why lower the standards for Beale's future voting constituency? He's pushing minorities to the back of the bus by offering a "level playing field." This isn't a level playing field, but rather a shortcut. And haven't we all learned, regardless of our parents advising us otherwise, shortcuts really aren't the path to success.
West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...
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THANK YOU! You stated it so succinctly, I can't add a thing.
To Beale I say, shove it. Your sorry, tired, old tirade about the "less fortunate" and "lack of opportunity" doesn't work any more.
Do not dumb down the Chicago Police Department. "Be all that you can be" is something we can all strive for.
Level the playing field? B.S. More like another handout to the oppressed black man.
I came on this job with only a High School degree and I am glad that was an option. Back then life was different. Technology has taken away some of the common sense and street smarts that people possessed twenty years ago.
The requirements were raised and I have been ineligible to be promoted to Sergeant because of my lack of college. Sure I could have gone back to school and gotten my degree, but I chose to raise and spend time with my children instead. Going back to school while dealing with to the rotating schedule, late arrests, and need for some sleep so I could function on midnights would have put a strain on my marriage and family life. I found it more important to be there for them rather then throw all the responsibility to my wife so I could go to school with the hope of being promoted and making a few dollars more.
I spent many thousands of dollars sending my children to college because that is what is needed to find employment in todays world. There was little, if any, grant money available for the child of a working white couple.
Now Ald. BEALE wants to "level the playing field". What chance does my son or daughter have? What was handed to them?
Ald. BEALE, "I say Hell No". It is a different time now. People expect more from their police. Some suburbs even require four year degrees. I think Chicago can live with a requirement of two years of college or service in the military.
I'm asian. If only I knew this, I wouldn't have graduated from college.
This is all a crock of shit.
I came on 25 yrs ago with a high school diploma and was promoted with "only" a high school diploma, but now the department says my 25+ yrs experience means nothing as far as taking a Lt's exam. So basically some college grad could have 6 yrs on and a degree in any topic not even related to police work and make Sgt and he'd be "qualified" to take a Lt's exam but not me. It's a nice way of the city telling people in my position that your job experience mans NOTHING! What a joke.
Today's college is America's biggest scam. After the reading, writing, and arithmatic have been absorbed, the educational process has just begun. The continuing process should be one of philosophy, history, language, sociology,etc. Who is the better for having 60 hours of classes in Criminal Justice? The criteria for the job are understanding concepts, ability to communicate, and an open mind. Spending time in a scam college taking scam courses to obtain a scam degree is not indicative of an educated person.
First off, military service qualifies you for eligibility for the CPD, so that shit is out the window. Secondly, our government hands out millions in tuition assistance for minorities. So cram it Beale. What ever happened to BEST MAN FOR THE JOB?
9/30/2010 12:41:00 AM
This was never the case for ALDERMEN or any politician!
OT- received a letter from Bill Cozzi. I had sent him some pictures of the protest and his response "Please thank all the fine officers and citizens that have supported me during my ordeal" and with regards to the billboard "I want to thank all of you who have contributed"
Be sure to drop him a line or a card, the place is still horrible and no chance of a transfer any time soon.
Stay safe....a wife
If you cannot pass a test or have any college,guess all the ged (good enuf diploma) gang bangers will be joining CPD,like we don't have these gang punks already amongst us! 2 more years then on to ARIZONA,a state where they make the illegals flee to shitcago,and sheriff JOE is a real man unlike toupee puppy boy tommy dart!
2 years of college is not a lot to ask. I think waving the college for prior military is ok. Between report writing and computer skills the job requires some additional education besides high school.
He's right...but for the wrong reasons.
You don't need a college education to be a police officer. The quality of our newer officers is far lower then it was before they demanded the 60 Hrs. This is largely because college is a joke today. There is no critical thinking taught, only leftist indoctrination and some technical skills (computers). The best police officers are the same folks who go into the trades or military.
College itself needs to be looked at by society as a whole. It has become nothing more then a hideout for the academic class to sponge a living off of the diminishing middle class. Some of these clowns teach 3 hours a week and make a decent living.
The US needs to rethink higher education and move toward specific job training programs post high school.
why do all the minority commanders with college degrees have to be promoted by merit appointment
what a laugh and the ring leader is jfled , he had a 3 year contract and could have promoted any qualified officer
CPD would be better off promoting qualified patrolman to commander than the triple merit commanders we have running CPD now
jfled how do you look yourself i9n the mirror everyday , you could have made a difference but played the political game and lost
daley's gone and so are you
gotta run
"Be sure to drop him a line or a card, the place is still horrible and no chance of a transfer any time soon.
Stay safe....a wife
9/30/2010 01:13:00 PM"
Bill should be filing through the BOP complaint system, BOP-8, BOP-9, BOP-10, BOP-11 forms, to try and compel the BOP to comply with their own regulations pertaining to the placement of inmates within in a appropriate level of security BOP facility 500 miles or less of his designated release location.
the form NOP-8 is called a cop-out and is the first step in resolving inmate complaints.
the prison library should have a copy of the relevant BOP regulations which Bill can use to support his efforts to get transferred.
the process can be a lengthy one, given the time frames clearly stated within the BOP regulations, but, eventually, the BOP will usually comply with their own rules before an inmate exhausts this required procedure and, thus, will then have the right to file a lawsuit.
Anonymous said...
I came on 25 yrs ago with a high school diploma and was promoted with "only" a high school diploma, but now the department says my 25+ yrs experience means nothing as far as taking a Lt's exam. So basically some college grad could have 6 yrs on and a degree in any topic not even related to police work and make Sgt and he'd be "qualified" to take a Lt's exam but not me. It's a nice way of the city telling people in my position that your job experience mans NOTHING! What a joke.
9/30/2010 12:41:00 PM
You had 25 hyears to earn a college degree tuition reimbursement. Thousands of officers have earned degrees during their careers. Even with a family and part time jobs, you could have earned a degree. This is your fault. Your experience is nothing without that degree. You knew this years ago.
I think the alderman is just spouting off old uselss and discarded phrases like " level the playing field". In Chicago, I have to say some minorities are at an educational disadvantage because the public schools are so crappy with a lot of lousy teachers. However, they can attend city colleges for a very low fee and if they apply themselves they can achieve their 2 year degree. Or, minorities can ( and do with large numbers) enlist in the armed forces.The alderman is really full of bullshit and is playing to his base, his ignorant base. I worked, before I retired, with many outstanding minority officers who deserved promotion and good assig nments but could not achieve that becuase they did not have the clout. That is the real question here. A friend of mine attended the police academey ( she had a college degree) and was forced to attend remedial reading and writing classes because if the white did not attend, tne entire class would have been Black and Latino. That is not the fault of the minorities, but of our lousy public school system. This is one of the reasons that I have been against rank order promotions. The " whole man" concept should apply and not just how you score on a test. What have you accomplished with your life? Effort counts, hard work counts. Beale insults every hardworking person out there, not just Blacks and Latinos.I spent years in the Army with fine, outstanding minority soldiers, male and female. Lets recognize their accomplishments and stop playing the race card. Take the politics our of hiring and promotion and the cream will rise to the top, whether that cream is Black or latino of white, male or female.
Level the playing field. Translation: Make the test easy enough that a gang banging POS who reads on a 4th grade level can get in.
First, it is well known that "affirmative action" has been rolling stong for the last 20 years! Minorities have more opportunities not only for quality education, but fully paid education and even getting paid to get an education. There is NO EXCUSE not to have 2 years of college. We can not go backwards in requirements. To many knuckleheads get passed the system as it is! His military argument is SO BOGUS! If you have4 yeas of active duty then you do not need ANY that is ZERO college to get hired on CPD. If you have 1 year of active duty you only need 30 credit hours instead of 60. Most military training counts as college credit also. What a joke this racist Alderman is!
It is impossible to get 60 credits in 7 years.
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Assuming one graduates high school at age 18, works full time, and takes five classes a year (including summer school), 15 credits could be earned each year. I know it's possible - I did it.
Speaking of hiring, to the obvious civilian poster calling for the hiring of more civilians to free up cops, we got a stretch of that nonsense with the forking over of the 911 center. The answer is to hire more cops. This article in the American Police Beat site says it all:
If civilian staff doubled in American police departments in ten years, odds are there would be some discussion about whether or not that was a good thing for public safety. And according to an article in the UK Mail newspaper, that's exactly the kind of question people are asking after it was determined that the number of civilian police staff has nearly doubled over the last decade in the United Kingdom.
The growth in police community support officers (PCSOs) and other civilian staff has way outstripped the rise in fully sworn officers, according to a report by the Police Federation.
In fact there are just one and a half cops for every civilian in the whole of England.
And at least one local police agency, Surrey, has more civilian staff than certified cops.
That same force has the worst crime fighting numbers of any agency in the country.
The Police Federation says that politicians put short-term cost savings ahead of public safety when they changed policies in order to hire more civilian personnel.
The United Kingdom has seen a 16 per cent increase in police officers but an 80 per cent rise in civilian police staff over the last decade.
"I find it alarming that there is no tangible evidence that even suggests, let alone proves, the value brought by "civilianizing" increasing numbers of non-certified personnel," the federation chairman Paul McKeever told reporters.
"The public wants more police officers on the beat. Instead we have increasing numbers of unaccountable, unidentifiable police staff who do not have the flexibility or resilience to give what is needed as an emergency service," McKeever went on to say.
In a related story, the San Francisco P.D. has just decided to outsource all crime scene work to civilian staff.
Bluedude said...
Maybe we should open the door to convicted felons too
9/30/2010 03:53:00 AM
That's the last thing we need...excon aldermen coming on the job.
Hey!! Lets require the alderman...all of them to have an MBA! Hell, why not? I mean, if maybe they can give us "balanced" budget and all.
This Beale's is a joke!! What does he want on the streets of Chicago? "Mickey the Mope"? Apparently. We already have 50 stupid alderman, I guess he want to have 14k dummys patrolling the streets and then when things go awry, the alderman can blame the chief! Hahahahaha! LMAOAFOTF!! How stupid can this be? Well what stupid is, stupid does, I guess.......
After 11 years of hearing all you Archie Bunkers bitch how ‘college’ (or Kouiledge) kids ruined this job a big whopping FU to you. I came on with a BS paid for by the Army (Illinois has the most generous Vet benefits in the US, any active duty vets automatic 4 year scholarship to almost ANY school in IL) and I got one MS paid for by the city and I am working on another, all with 2 kids and side jobs so spare me how busy you were.
The current standards for hiring allow a waiver for military service on a sliding scale for college so that nullifies that argument. That just leaves us at our current predicament, hire people to lazy to go into the military or fill out the forms to get a FREE minority scholarship. HAHAHA.
And as far as the experience = education that smacks of entitlement. Along that same vain some mutt from the hood should not only be hired but also be the boss there since he is from there, with your same original argument, so again a big fat FU. The futures looking bright!
I'm a minority living in Indiana, did six years in the military, 05 went to iraq. now i'm finishing my BA (Criminal Justice)in a year, using post 9-11 gi bill. I plan on taking the test and becoming a chicago police officer, i'll be damn if the city wants to "dum down" the requirements.
This will be Chicago if they keep this up:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100930/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_ecuador_protest
I think that it is an insult to the memory of men like Thomas Wortham or Joe Airhardt or Nate Taylor or Eric Lee when Beale or anyone says that the hiring standards for this or any job should be lowered. You don't bring the standards down to people. You bring people up to the standards.
I sacrificed a lot when I joined the US Arm Forces including thousands of miles away from my family when I was only 18yoa. I received an Honorable discharged, used the GI Bill to go to community college while working two part time jobs.
My point is nobody knocked on my door and just HANDED me a badge and a gun and told me that I'm hired as a Chicago Police Officer. I worked very hard to where I'm at right now. And to eliminate the college or military requirements is a fucking slap in the face to all active and retired CPD members.
I am absolutely outraged at the statements Beale made. I am a black female, and I worked hard to put myself through college, on my own, no scholarships, just plain hard work at two part time jobs and student loans that I am still paying off. How dare he imply that "minorities" can't all do the same thing? And I am supposed to work beside some crackhead baby mama who partied while I studies?
I didn't vote for that fool, but I sure as hell will vote him out.
"I came on 25 yrs ago with a high school diploma and was promoted with "only" a high school diploma, but now the department says my 25+ yrs experience means nothing as far as taking a Lt's exam. So basically some college grad could have 6 yrs on and a degree in any topic not even related to police work and make Sgt and he'd be "qualified" to take a Lt's exam but not me. It's a nice way of the city telling people in my position that your job experience mans NOTHING! What a joke".
I too came on 25 years ago with only a GED and guess what...I took advantage of CPD paying for school and received my Bachelor of Science and Master's degrees and all paid for by CPD, made Lt and am happier than shit. Maybe you should of gone to school and before you say anything I have a family too, worked some side jobs was difficult but did it. No pity here.
In all of the rants posted not one iota of evidence has been presented that a college educated officer performs better than a non college educated officer. No wonder you guys have so much trouble with the state's attorney's office. You have no concept of presenting evidence to prove the point. Must have missed that class.
Simple solution...
Keep the education requirements as they are for the CPD. That one is just plain common sense. Secondly, the education requirements needed to be eligible to run for alderman should probably be reevaluated so our "elected officials" can stop publicly embarassing this city.
Ha, have you ever really looked at how much tuition assistance the government "hands out?" The assistance given out doesn't even cover all of the tuition if you go to a 4 year university. You need to check your facts before you open your mouth, and minorities aren't the only ones benefitting from governmental assistance.
9/30/2010 08:58:00 AM
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Agreed, so instead of looking for government handouts, how about being SUCH an outstanding high school student that the colleges all clamor for you to attend and accept their scholarships?
If you want something badly enough, you find a way to attain it. I went to college when I could afford it, worked full-time, went back to college, etc., etc. When I got my degree, I had truly earned it.
Maybe it's time to realize a college degree is indicative of a certain amount of drive, determination and ambition. It isn't just about sleepwalking through a mandatory list of classes for four or five years.
And, no, it doesn't confer common sense. But, neither does a high school diploma. That's a whole different animal.
Last time I checked they did state they were giving an exam so if you can't compete with high school grads and blow them away with your sixty hours then don't take the test!!!! If you think 60 hours are needed to do this job well then you are not very smart yourself and probably not a good cop! Nothing about my BS Mathematics helped me on this job!!! Common sense, people skills, attention to detail and courage are needed for a street cop!!!!!!
I have been proudly working this job in some capacity for over 30 years. During that time I have had the pleasure of working with officers of all races, creeds, colors and political preference. Although the media loves to portray this Department as racist to the core, I can say with certainty that "perspective" is unfair and inaccurate. I am African American and I am old enough and experienced enough in life and the real world to know what racism is and who should be so labeled. While we do have avid racists on both sides among our ranks, the vast majority are only concerned with one thing - getting the job done. The vast majority appreciate and embrace our differences, and they are still able to work almost effortlessly without any real concern about those differences. Those things are diminished and ignored because the job needs to be done and the professionals among us recognize what is important.
We as sworn members of this organization manage to work together, stand together, grieve together and in some instances die together because of an unwritten code - one that the media, the politicians, the public and all the non-police do not understand. If you've ever been faced with a situation where someone you work with is also someone you don't particularly like - regardless of the reason - you find yourself also willing to risk your life for that person without a moments hesitation. Why? Because he is one of your brethren and he would do the same for you.
This divide and conquer crap that is used by the media, politicians, the reverends and a hateful public should not weaken our resolve to strengthen and replenish what was once a great - perhaps the greatest - law enforcement organization of a major city in this country, maybe even the world. A stupid, totally inappropriate, grandstanding and politically tone-deaf statement by this asshole Alderman Anthony Beale, might give one the impression that the African American community, and in particular, sworn police officers who are Black, support these rantings. The truth is: we are embarrassed by this idiot in his attempt to diminish our importance and suggest that we are somehow inferior. Leveling the playing field is code word that is now an insult to all African Americans and a slap in the face of all our fellow citizens.
As other officers have eloquently pointed on here on SCC regarding this particular subject: there are plenty of qualified Blacks who could chose to come on this job. They could be former military, have an Associate degree or a Bachelor's degree or higher. But lowering the requirements in the name of "diversity" and providing jobs for the unemployed is a bunch of bullshit. We need guys who want this job as a career and want to help, give back to society. Not see it only as a means of earning a paycheck. This job requires your heart, your courage and sometimes portions of your very soul. Diminishing it and making it available to everyone is both dangerous and unsustainable.
I applaud SCC and the officers who realize that the statements of Beale are not truly representative of all of us (African Americans, sworn and civilian) and we subscribe to the belief that the most qualified should be allowed to serve in the profession, and in particular, the Chicago Police Department.
OT continued:
I just received my response from Bill Cozzi today, too; he IS very down and needs as many letters as we can send. I also agree with the poster regarding the BOP forms-
Oh, and keep the educational requirements.
Here we are in the year 2010 and racism is still going on and openly. I don't want my people to get something for the color of there skin. I want them to be deserving, working hard, studying hard. How about a fair test! Meaning everyone knows what to study for and the best person gets the job. This country won't be the greatest county in the word if we keep giving every thing away. In these tough time we need the best person for the job. Its our tax money and we are going to higher people for their skin color. Where are all the leaders and why don't they condemn these ideas and talk. Let's be fair and give everyone a chance who work hard.
speaking of talking out of his ass check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yT48wiRue4
So in my experience if you are a smart guy, with good communication skills, can get along with all kinds of folks who have all kind of agendas (think dogs and supes), use can use your brain to make a quick and lawful decision when the shit is popping, and then have the balls to back it up you are probably gonna be a good copper no matter WHO your daddy was or if you went to college.
You either have "it" or you don't. And if you get a chance to go to college it will be there when you are done.
Think of higher education as exactly what it is, a chance to broaden your mind and learn a few things (including how to study for a test you don't care about and how to talk to girls) and that is wonderful. It also takes discipline, also not a bad thing to practice. And who knows, while you are taking classes you might find some subject interesting and find a career in that and NOT endlessly driving a beat for a public that does t care, supervisors who forgot and politicians who don't get it.
College ain't a bad thing. It's the way of the world.
I was a CPS high school teacher for more than 20 years before my recent retirement. Let me just say that the school I worked in was not considered one of the best. In fact, it is one of the worst. I spent so much time dealing with discipline problems, that the time I had to actually try to teach was grossly insufficient. Let me tell you all something about education standards in Chicago. They are a joke. When I had students show up in my class on the first day of school (I taught juniors and seniors), the reading, writing, grammar and comprehension skills were almost non-existant. Even basic life skills like problem solving were a foreign concept. These students are passed from one grade to the next because nobody wanted to deal with the problem of filling in the gaps, let alone the angry parents that claim everything from racism to bad teachers for their "angels" doing poorly. I had some good students, but the standard there for "good" would be only average at a better school.
I most certainly DISAGREE with the idea of getting rid of the 60 credit hour requirement for the job of police officer. Going to college shows a desire to learn. It also allows teachers to teach students without the same pressure, thus allowing them to grade fairly and honestly on a student's work. If a student can't write a simple essay in college, he or she doesn't pass. College offers the opportunity to fix the problems that CPS schools missed. This is essential to being able to do such an important job like being a police officer, in a professional manner.
Please, please keep the education requirement. I'm not by any means saying that all CPS graduates are uneducated, but there are a sizable percentage that are. Do you really want the kid who got all D's and was more concerned with starting fights to carry a gun and be responsible for helping you stay safe? What about your partner that can't write a complete sentence in proper English writing reports that your name goes on also? What about when your under-educated partner has to get up and testify in court and blows your whole case because he or she speaks just like the criminal you arrested?
Give me a break. Your job is a very difficult one that often involves matters of life and death. Shouldn't the standards be higher than those required to get a job in fast food?
~Family of a retired PO
With less personnel, with the job getting more technical and more challenging. With crime on the rise. Everything going to computers. Now we lower the standards. Anyone who has any amount of time left on the job is in big trouble. They need to raise the standards to the FBI level. The city is truly lost. Daley is enacting his revenge on his way out. The city is lost. There is no were safe to live. Crime is everywhere. Rape, shootings and burglary are way up. There are no good neighborhoods any more. And downtown is not a neighborhood.
When I came on the job you did not even have to have a H.S. deploma. Then when leveling the playing field they found people could not read or write so they said you had to have a H.S. deploma. Then gang bangers started coming on the job. They could not read or write either but had a H.S. depoloma. That did not work so then they said you had to have 60 hrs. of college. I was gone by then thank God. Think I am kidding, research it. I cannot see why the African American stays with Uncle Sam's Plantation owner, The Democratic Party.
'In all of the rants posted not one iota of evidence has been presented that a college educated officer performs better than a non college educated officer. No wonder you guys have so much trouble with the state's attorney's office. You have no concept of presenting evidence to prove the point. Must have missed that class.'
NOT TRUE. College educated officers receive far fewer complaints. Check it out.
They're exposed to a large variety of diverse people, and actually learn to talk to them WHILE THEY ARE IN COLLEGE. Having been exposed to diverse peoples and cultures really helps you out in the field, especially if you work in areas that have large, diverse communities (like 024, parts of 016, 013, 012). While I won't say that a college education is the end-all in law enforcement, don't discount the advantages how a college education can help out here. Learning another language besides English helps too.
'12 days medical a year and cpd will only be short 700
to many medical abusers.'
AMEN. Time to whittle that medical down...it's been talked about for some time, time to do something about it!!
Hey 9/30/2010 @ 10:45 P.M. ...
Without nitpicking the "smaller" bastardizations of the English language/punctuation riddled throughout your nonsensical post, allow me to illuminate the most glaring of clerical abominations:
...there skin...
...every thing...
...higher people...
With "skills" like this, it's no wonder clout, nepotism and "merit" still exist on this job. Otherwise, people like you wouldn't stand a chance in hell of being promoted solely for their smarts.
You ARE a CPD Bosshole, aren't you??????
0242am:
Perhaps a little education would assist you. Put a cogent sentence together, make your seargent happy, otherwise stfu!
Asian 4.35%, and yet asians get no minority status in this city. Not for jobs or city contracts. Doesn't make sense to me, but honestly I don't care. I like to earn what I get, might be a strange concept for some "minorities."
I nominate the poster on 30Sep at 08:52 PM as the author of the best post this blog has ever seen. Thank You sir. (Or madam)
Anonymous said...
Level the playing field. Translation: Make the test easy enough that a gang banging POS who reads on a 4th grade level can get in.
9/30/2010 04:46:00 PM
That high, 4th grade level? That is a reach for some of these applicants.
A 4th grader from a school in Wilmette is a genius compared to an 8th grader from the ghetto.
NOT TRUE. College educated officers receive far fewer complaints. Check it out.
They're exposed to a large variety of diverse people, and actually learn to talk to them WHILE THEY ARE IN COLLEGE. Having been exposed to diverse peoples and cultures really helps you out in the field, especially if you work in areas that have large, diverse communities (like 024, parts of 016, 013, 012). While I won't say that a college education is the end-all in law enforcement, don't discount the advantages how a college education can help out here. Learning another language besides English helps too.
10/01/2010 12:31:00 AM
"Check it out," irrefutable evidence that proves the point. Your post is an excellent example of begging the question,a fallacy of logic. College is good because of the good things in college. Another class cut. Your minds are scrambled. The question remains is a college education necessary to be an effective police officer?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
'12 days medical a year and cpd will only be short 700
to many medical abusers.'
AMEN. Time to whittle that medical down...it's been talked about for some time, time to do something about it!!
10/01/2010 12:35:00 AM
No jagoff time to watch the jags who abuse the system! You have a major medical issue you appreciate the time! Hope you don't get cancer, heart problems anything major asshole!!
Anonymous said...
I nominate the poster on 30Sep at 08:52 PM as the author of the best post this blog has ever seen. Thank You sir. (Or madam)
10/01/2010 06:56:00 AM
Agreed. Let me make another point though. When I came on the job, the requirement was only 2 years of high school, which changed very shortly, under O.W. Wilson to a ghigh school diploma. It then became, many years later, what it is today, 60 hours of college level work. I always believed that the change was in reality a reflection on society and changes in education. At one time people learned to read critically and to write effectively in grade school. Later that changed to acquiring similar knowledge in high school. Sometime around the late 60's or early 70's it was college that taught these skills, thus the entrance requirements changed to reflect the education changes. In reading many of the osts on this blog, it is clear that folks with the required 60 hours are falling behind in communication skills. What a shame.
So they throw out the college, what about when the enter the academy and can't pass any of the mandatory test...like the state test. this is a freaking joke
I've previously posted about what an absolute moron Beale is, and why he needs to go. This idiot is the police and fire chairman?
Thank goodness he's out when Mayor Dumbly leaves.
He needs to lose his job. I think a fireman is going to make a run for his job. We need to support that guy, or field a candidate that can slap him down.
He represents such a lousy ward that no one wants to represent let alone live there. With the exception of a handful of neighborhoods it's a ghetto, high crime blighted area with the highest foreclosure rate in the city. But he rather build a Walmart and a entire new community around the dying Pullman neighborhood then invest in the existing housing and businesses in
that ward. He has questionable land interests in two housing developments and a security firm that services his ward and Carrie Austin's.He turned a blind eye to the drug dealing across the street from his office; two OCD guys got shot there. Don't forget this is the same alderman that has about a million bucks in a discretionary slush fund, but he'd rather wack the uniform allowance.And worst of all he's Jesse Jackson and Meeks sock puppet.Even though he's going to pay off some flunkies to make a fake aldermanic run to drain off votes from real 9th ward candidates someone needs to challenge his rotten ass.
Beale, it's time for you to go. As bad as Roseland is, it's still too good for the likes of you.
NOT TRUE. College educated officers receive far fewer complaints. Check it out.
Bullshit!!! Quite drinking the kool-aid dude. That was Matt Rodriguez's argument for putting in the college rule for promotions, the Terry ran with it for the police exam. College educated officers get just as many numbers as the non-college educated. FACT!
Anonymous said...
We will be right back to where we were before with police corruption. That's why they made the requirements higher in the first place. Tell Ald Beal no to changing the standards. You need to make them higher!!!!
ward09@cityofchicago.org
9/30/2010 11:37:00 AM
WRONG!!!!
if you think corruption is the only answer for your reasoning on why the college requirement should stay, then you are a fool.
A background check on those who have met or exceeded the college requirements reveals that half, if not more coming on the job have more outstanding debts. IE: tuition, credit cards and bank loans.
Those without the college have fewer outstanding debts.
So, go figure...
There are hundreds of thousands of educated, intelligent, and more than qualified blacks in this city that can meet the current requirements, however, these are not the blacks that Beale wants to get the job. Beale wants the career do-nothings and life long sponges to be policemen. Beale is a complete fraud, I'm sure if he needed a good doctor for a severe illness, he would look for the best doctor he could find, he wouldn't demand the doctor be black.
REGARDING:A high school graduate from the CPS.
Come on now Alderman!
You have to at the very least be able to spell, be able to testify in court. Keep the 2 years of college.
30 years ago a high school or a GED was the norm, not now. Give me a break
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I have seen many of colege edumucated people on the job that can't spell and are as dumb as a box of rocks. Some of the best police officers through the years came on with a high school diploma, so save that BS!
Anonymous said... I nominate the poster on 30Sep at 08:52 PM as the author of the best post this blog has ever seen. Thank You sir. (Or madam)
10/01/2010 06:56:00 AM
Actually Anonymous, it's "sir" and only a D2A, but that and $.50 will get you a cup of coffee.
I do appreciate your "nomination". Coming from another copper that is high praise indeed, especially in the presence of such eloquence over the years that SCC has been posting.
You guys are the blood and guts of this Department. Regardless of race, differences and the multitude of things that are used to divide us, I will take the true knowledge of what this department was, is and hopefully will be in the future into my retirement.
We, the few who actually work this job, know the real truth. We don't require understanding or validation from civilians or politicians. We have a calling that trumps any and all moppery that they throw our way. We've been here before and done that (albiet not with the "class" of idiots that are trying to run the show now). But we and those that come after us will prevail.
alderman beale is correct everyone should get a chance to be the police whether u have a college degree or not !I am 100%
for removing the 2 year degree
period. we dont need to continue to have everyone's whole family in the police department it is time for a change and given others a chance to be the police there should have never been a 2 year degree in order to be the police what a joke let people in the community within chicago a chance to be the police. wake up department the future is here
no more brothers and sisters
mother and father or i know someone so i am the police that is the pass. go ald. beale and thanks
a smart people is a person with experience.
9/30/2010 04:45:00 AM
Once again, someone without a clue writes a dumb comment! Anyone can be the police in this city, just follow the setforth rules and guidelines and requirements.
My husband is the ONLY one in his family to go to college, and he is the ONLY one in his family to be a Chicago cop. So stop crying about how unfair life is. Grow up! You want something in life? Go work for it like the rest of us! My husband got to where he is today by HARD WORK, including college, and by exhibiting the kind of character one needs to affect change. He is a Sgt. now and he has also been a dectective. NOT ONE OF THESE PROMOTIONS WAS MERITORIOUS! He has no family to "merit" him, he has no clout. He merely has the strongest work ethic of anyone I know. He even works a second job so that we can experience some of the "comforts" of life. God knows the CPD won't ever make him rich, especially when you consider how much it costs to own a small, old home in a crowded neighborhood in Chicago. Shut up and get to work if you want it so bad ... or do you not have what it takes to make something out of yourself? I am soooooooooo tired of all the crybabies out there, crying about how crappy their spot in life is because they are a minority ... blah, blah, blah. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Grow up and realize that you have more opportunity than any white person in America. Go to college for free? Yes you can. Get a mortgage for less than a white person? Yes you can. Stop being a baby and grow up!
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again."
.................Alexander Pope
Sixty hours or one hundred thirty hours hardly qualify as a "deep drink." The learning process should never cease. However, that's an individual choice. Anyone who attempts to validate his intelligence via formal school attendance probably needs to do so
There sure are a lot of commentators here that claim they know the " facts" when it comes to education and military service and its effect on as potential police officers performance. But, it seems none of the writers know the facts. They are just spouting retorical arguements that mean nothing. There are many studies that bear out, with all things equal, better educated people have the "Potential" to perform better as police officers. However, that is trumped by IQ. The higher the IQ, the better potential a person has to perform better. There is nothing to guarentee that will actually occur. If you folks that are jealous of others and unhappy that you did not spend the time and money to get a college education really do not think this is true, then just go for a grade school diploma. If you want to be considered professionals and compensated as professional instead of janitors, then you must have some higher standard for entrance to the job.
'There are hundreds of thousands of educated, intelligent, and more than qualified blacks in this city that can meet the current requirements, however, these are not the blacks that Beale wants to get the job. Beale wants the career do-nothings and life long sponges to be policemen. Beale is a complete fraud, I'm sure if he needed a good doctor for a severe illness, he would look for the best doctor he could find, he wouldn't demand the doctor be black.'
GUYS! Everyone can agree here, regardless of race, that Beale is a tool. He doesn't represent the thoughts any majority of black officers; don't hold him against us, and we won't hold Emanuel against YOU! Deal?
So glad I decided to retire this year.
Perhaps a little education would assist you. Put a cogent sentence together, make your seargent happy, otherwise stfu!
10/01/2010 12:49:00 AM
While you are at it, back to school for you, so you can learn how to spell sergeant. Now you STFU!
"... and $.50 will get you a cup of coffee..."
where?
alderman beale is correct everyone should get a chance to be the police whether u have a college degree or not !I am 100%
for removing the 2 year degree
period. we dont need to continue to have everyone's whole family in the police department it is time for a change and given others a chance to be the police there should have never been a 2 year degree in order to be the police what a joke let people in the community within chicago a chance to be the police. wake up department the future is here
no more brothers and sisters
mother and father or i know someone so i am the police that is the pass. go ald. beale and thanks
a smart people is a person with experience.
9/30/2010 04:45:00 AM
Wow, you must be one of those without a degree desperately waiting for what's "owed" to you to just fall on your lap. Before you submit your comment next time, check your spelling and grammar. Just imagine how ridiculous you'd make yourself and the department look after testifying with grammar like that.
'12 days medical a year and cpd will only be short 700
to many medical abusers.'
AMEN. Time to whittle that medical down...it's been talked about for some time, time to do something about it!!
10/01/2010 12:35:00 AM
No jagoff time to watch the jags who abuse the system! You have a major medical issue you appreciate the time! Hope you don't get cancer, heart problems anything major asshole!!
10/01/2010 10:05:00 AM
Go after the light duty fakers. The officers that use a fake illnes or injury to stay on light duty to avoid details or working the street. I am tired of seeing the fakers abuse this system with a fake, bullshit illness. Males and afemales who will sell their soul to hide from the street. Change the system. Weed out the fakers. Some have been on light duty more than 20 years. Unfuckin believable.
alderman beale is correct everyone should get a chance to be the police whether u have a college degree or not !I am 100%
for removing the 2 year degree
period. we dont need to continue to have everyone's whole family in the police department it is time for a change and given others a chance to be the police there should have never been a 2 year degree in order to be the police what a joke let people in the community within chicago a chance to be the police. wake up department the future is here
no more brothers and sisters
mother and father or i know someone so i am the police that is the pass. go ald. beale and thanks
a smart people is a person with experience.
9/30/2010 04:45:00 AM
Wow!!! What the fuck are you trying to say? I hope you are not the police. You can't even formulate a complete sentence or thought. No wonder why you are for an uneducated police dept.
An absolute f-n' joke...This city is headed for a disaster that even we, as Daley's insusceptible minions, haven't seen...that said, how about this - MUTV, or whatever the Hell this fat bastard has used as his propaganda network in the last few years is dark...all we have seen in the past is glorious images of his ribbon-cuttings, (incoherant) speeches? Ar$e-kissing of the 'wrong' Religious factions, and varying degrees of B.S.... The mayor should be ashamed of himself as a "person" for the damage he hath done to a City he claims to "love"...this guy is an absolute piece of trash that will eventually be taken out to rest near a curb(in various degrees of disrepair) in a privatized (no-bid) can, he would be lucky if he is picked up on schedeule by his own former 'efficiently run' city services and set down convieniently next to his maker...and THOSE WITH WHOM HE HAS F-ED WITH FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS! Karma is a bitch lil' dick...and so are YOU!
Anonymous said...
alderman beale is correct everyone should get a chance to be the police whether u have a college degree or not !I am 100%
for removing the 2 year degree
period. we dont need to continue to have everyone's whole family in the police department it is time for a change and given others a chance to be the police there should have never been a 2 year degree in order to be the police what a joke let people in the community within chicago a chance to be the police. wake up department the future is here
no more brothers and sisters
mother and father or i know someone so i am the police that is the pass. go ald. beale and thanks
a smart people is a person with experience.
9/30/2010 04:45:00 AM
Your obvious inattention to proper punctuation, basic rules of grammar, lack of common sense and the sense of desperation which is sounded in your post is EXACTLY why we are afraid...take some fucking pride in yourself! Educate (yourself)! You are what you leave...postings, idiocy...etc....I fear what will happen to this city, can't wait until they invite incompetant idiots like yourself to help prop up my soon to be non-existant pension plan. HAHA, this city keeps atracting problems it CAN NOT fix
Anonymous said...
" Secondly, our government hands out millions in tuition assistance for minorities. So cram it Beale. What ever happened to best man for the job?"
Ha, have you ever really looked at how much tuition assistance the government "hands out?" The assistance given out doesn't even cover all of the tuition if you go to a 4 year university. You need to check your facts before you open your mouth, and minorities aren't the only ones benefitting from governmental assistance.
9/30/2010 08:58:00 AM
...spoken like a true "recipient"...at what point will you become ashamed?...
My Guy, spoken like a true gentleman, J-Rome getpalmed in yet, soup on thursday, call our guy we will get some wings and discuss this fyrther.
Anonymous said...
alderman beale is correct everyone should get a chance to be the police whether u have a college degree or not !I am 100%
for removing the 2 year degree
period. we dont need to continue to have everyone's whole family in the police department it is time for a change and given others a chance to be the police there should have never been a 2 year degree in order to be the police what a joke let people in the community within chicago a chance to be the police. wake up department the future is here
no more brothers and sisters
mother and father or i know someone so i am the police that is the pass. go ald. beale and thanks
a smart people is a person with experience.
9/30/2010 04:45:00 AM
all what is needid is two go to 4th grade like I am did. everybodee shud get tha chance to bee the police why only so-calld smart peoples i am tired of smart family gettig the police jobs only fare to spred it round
thanks aldurmen beale for pointed this out for al to sea
Read this blog.
Grammar and spelling are a thing of the past.
We can't afford to go any lower in education on this force.
How can uneducated officers compete in a court of law without the tools of education?
The alderpersons can do with a 3rd grade ability but I'd hope to see police officers assist me, in a time of need, who are college graduates.
archie bunker wouldn't want meathead riding shotgun next to him.... edith, grab me a beer..... we could use a man like herbert hoover again..... those were the days....
What kind of thing happens when stanards are lowered or people are hired to meet some arbitrary 'quota'?
"In 1980 Miami, Florida adopted a policy requiring that 200 new police be hired immediately, with 80% to be minority residents of Miami. Many of the recruits were utterly unsuited to be police, as background investigators and the warniings of academy instructors confirmed at the time. Sloppy field training, inadequate supervision, and an ineffective Internal Affairs Division permitted them to behave with contempt for the law. By 1988 more than a third of them had been fired. Twelve members of a group known as the River Cops had been convicted of crimes ranging from drug trafficking to murder. Many of these recruits became police to profit from illegal activity with drugs."
- Edwin J. Delattre "Character and Cops" 2002.
I cannot understand for the life of me why the Chairman of the Police ans Fire Commission, Alderman Beal, would profess to want a less educated police force.
Anonymous said...
alderman beale is correct everyone should get a chance to be the police whether u have a college degree or not !I am 100%
for removing the 2 year degree
period. we dont need to continue to have everyone's whole family in the police department it is time for a change and given others a chance to be the police there should have never been a 2 year degree in order to be the police what a joke let people in the community within chicago a chance to be the police. wake up department the future is here
no more brothers and sisters
mother and father or i know someone so i am the police that is the pass. go ald. beale and thanks
a smart people is a person with experience.
9/30/2010 04:45:00 AM
All you had to do was post and it shows why we need two years of college. You cannot complete a full sentence unless it is a run on. You can't capitalize nor can you spell. So shut up and go back to the grill a McDonalds!
"The US needs to rethink higher education and move toward specific job training programs post high school.
9/30/2010 02:36:00 PM"
actually, that should be mid high school, at the latest.
and the entire structure of our current education system is out dated by a minimum of at least 3-4 decades.
the traditional age/grade structuring, along with the mind numbing, cookie cutter style curriculum, are no longer effective means in providing our children with an authentic and stimulating learning environment.
learning requires three elements to be effective:
1. the desire to know/to do
2. a reliable expectation that knowing, and doing, will result in achieving/accomplishing
3. the discipline/patience/determination to fully understand the knowledge and/or acquire the skill
as for 'specific job training', i presume that you mean specific areas of knowledge/skills which are useful in gaining employment.
our current education structures routinely waste the natural curiousity, inquisitiveness, and trusting optimism inherent within the majority of our nation's minor aged citizens.
cookie cutter education structures, along with rubber stamp promotional practices, are two of the three causes of the dumbing down of our present and future generations.
the third cause, entrenched, political/financial interests being valued far more than the effective education of our children, is most responsible for the continuing imposition of the first two causes.
You can't teach smart.
What kind of thing happens when stanards are lowered or people are hired to meet some arbitrary 'quota'?
"In 1980 Miami, Florida adopted a policy requiring that 200 new police be hired immediately, with 80% to be minority residents of Miami. Many of the recruits were utterly unsuited to be police, as background investigators and the warniings of academy instructors confirmed at the time. Sloppy field training, inadequate supervision, and an ineffective Internal Affairs Division permitted them to behave with contempt for the law. By 1988 more than a third of them had been fired. Twelve members of a group known as the River Cops had been convicted of crimes ranging from drug trafficking to murder. Many of these recruits became police to profit from illegal activity with drugs."
- Edwin J. Delattre "Character and Cops" 2002.
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excellent
While I don't think you need college for college's sake - college does weed out the complete fucking retard disfunctionals who stumbled throught the city high school - at least it shows they had some "get up and go" - but what they learned in college, I agree is useless on this job
You can't teach smart.
10/02/2010 03:06:00 PM
are you offering yourself as proof of your assertion?
The city better get ready for all the money they will lose in law suits. Everytime one of these new police officers get a complaint or law suit it will be based on that had he/she would not of been hired
if the city did not lower the standard. my clients cilvil rights were violated because of this lower standard.
Anonymous said...
NOT TRUE. College educated officers receive far fewer complaints. Check it out.
They're exposed to a large variety of diverse people, and actually learn to talk to them WHILE THEY ARE IN COLLEGE. Having been exposed to diverse peoples and cultures really helps you out in the field, especially if you work in areas that have large, diverse communities (like 024, parts of 016, 013, 012). While I won't say that a college education is the end-all in law enforcement, don't discount the advantages how a college education can help out here. Learning another language besides English helps too.
10/01/2010 12:31:00 AM
"Check it out," irrefutable evidence that proves the point. Your post is an excellent example of begging the question,a fallacy of logic. College is good because of the good things in college. Another class cut. Your minds are scrambled. The question remains is a college education necessary to be an effective police officer?
10/01/2010 09:50:00 AM
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My God, I don't believe it! Someone who actually knows what "begging the question" means, and it is stated so well too. It is correct that the question of college for police officers is unanswered. It is interesting to note that back in the 80's, or thereabouts, a cople of studies were issued that indicated that lack of college leads to more success as a police officer. The trouble was, and still is, that no one has ever been able to accurately define how to measure the success of an officer. I will say though, in my lengthy, what I consider to be a successful career, some of the brightest, aggressive, knowlegeable and sociable officers that I met had no or minimal college.
You can't teach smart.
10/02/2010 03:06:00 PM
are you offering yourself as proof of your assertion?
10/03/2010 05:11:00 AM
Exactly, Einstein.
"Exactly, Einstein.
10/03/2010 05:03:00 PM"
spoken like a true genius.
To see results of a college education you need look no farther than the members of the NFL and the NBA, most of whom have been quality schooled.
Lets forget about the college requirement for a minute! Why not put as 1 of the requirements...Certification as a police officer!!! Why not let already certified officers in Illinois transfer laterally over to CPD? I would rather have an applicant with police certification over an applicant with a college degree in gardening or astronomy!!!!! Cmon
9/30/2010 08:52:00 PM
Bravo sir!
Well said and God Bless you for taking the time share the gift of insight.
For all the uninitiated... This post is a true glimpse of that intangible thing a good Policemen should possess.
Can't teach it.
Can't buy it.
Played the "Police game" long enough to recognize it when we see it.
Outstanding post.
Hearty concurrence in that Beale is a pandering, braying jackass.
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