Wednesday, September 29, 2010

Police Entrance Exam

  • Chicago will hold its first police entrance exam in four years — attracting upwards of 30,000 applicants, a pivotal step to ease a manpower shortage that has left the department more than 2,300 officers a day short of authorized strength.

    [...] Connie Buscemi, a spokeswoman for the city’s Department of Human Resources, said the Daley administration has asked four firms with so-called “master consulting agreements” to compete for the right to administer a new police entrance exam, the first since 2006.

    “The request seeks a vendor who would purchase a pre-existing exam directly from an exam developer, provide exam materials and study guides, staff the exam and administer and grade the exam,” Buscemi said, noting that responses are due by Oct. 8.

About freaking time.

But 30,000 applicants? The last time there were even 30,000 test takers was the early 1990's. The last few years the City gave a test, they gave something like 3 tests a year in mid-2000's. The total for all three tests combined was somewhere around 10,000 people. Someone once mentioned that 5,000 failed and even more missed the physical, drug test or just didn't respond to invitations.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

...oh wow man, a police test man. Oh hey Cheech...Chicago is gonna have a police test man. What ya think Cheech, wanna try out for the test man?
Sounds good Chong. What day is it?!

9/29/2010 12:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Spelling Bea Cuello said...

What's an "Entrace Exam" Fran?

9/29/2010 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they were to drop the education then I could see 30,000 applying. That seems like a far fetched number, even in today's time.

9/29/2010 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

APRIL 1991 TO BE EXACT. THE ECONOMY WAS IN THE TANK. THE DEPARTMENT WAS SERIOULSY SHORT OF MANPOWER, RICHIE PROMISED 600 ON THE STREETS BY JUN 1992. ANYBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULDN'T WASTE THEIR TIME TAKING AN EXAM FOR THIS JOKE OF A POLICE DEPT.

9/29/2010 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got asked today when another exam will be offered. The article says the city will have exam, my freind needs to know on what date. Any help will be appreciated.

9/29/2010 12:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe its the economy

9/29/2010 12:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12,000 applicants at the most. Not the job it used to be!

9/29/2010 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been waiting for a couple of years now to be able to join CPD. This is my dream job, no matter how bad some people make it out to be.

I am so excited that I will finally get the opportunity to apply. The next couple of months are definitely going to be exciting for me, and many other CPD hopeful's.

We have been PATIENT!

9/29/2010 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2300? I thought Shanks and Jody said we were short about 700? Is JP Weis a liar ?

9/29/2010 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have heard that the 2006 list is not completed, due to people appeals. Anyone have any info about them?

9/29/2010 01:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any chance of them opening up a lateral type program for officers with police experience? Would you guys still recommend people join this department? I know things are messed up, but at the end of the day do you guys have any fun??

I currently have 2.5 years on large California department and would love to come back home to Chicago!! Not looking forward to the winters though!!

9/29/2010 02:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vanecko Police Entrance Exam, LLC is on the case...

9/29/2010 03:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they'll waive the college and let people who graduated 8th grade apply.

Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid, they need a study guide for a reading comprehension test?

Read this sentence and answer the following question:

Spot is a brown dog and is lying under the chair.
Question 1. What is spot doing?

answers:
a) Spot is a cat
b) Spot is a tan dog
c) Spike is chasing a car
d) Both answers a and c
e) Lying under a chair

Oh, I know, they need help on the drug test!

Don't smoke any blunts for 3 months prior to taking a drug test. Don't smoke any rock cocaine for several days prior to taking a drug test.

If you managed to sit thru 2 years of some sort of college and can't pass the police entrance exam, you're too stupid to be the police.

9/29/2010 03:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When times are good there are a lot opportunities, but when things are tight like they are today the idea of risking your life to provide for your family doesn’t sound all that too ridiculous. Their probably expecting the kind of interest in the job like there was back in the early 80’s when the economy was in the tank. This could be a great opportunity for the city to hire some real talent, but let’s not get our hopes up there. I am sure the process will be riddled with corruption as always with this administration.

9/29/2010 04:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FBI Raids Home of Chicago SEIU Leader in International Terrorism Sweep- Chicago Media Sweeps Under Rug
September 28, 2010, 4:50 AM
-By Warner Todd Huston

One might think it would be big news that a Chief Steward for a Local chapter of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) is being investigated by the FBI for possible connection to overseas terror networks. Apparently, though, several Chicago news outlets didn’t see a reason to add this little fact to their stories. And even if it wasn’t big news that the FBI is investigating a union member, one would think that his profession would at least make an appearance somewhere in properly formulated coverage of the story… right?

Over the weekend the FBI announced that it was investigating Joseph Iosbaker for possible connections to overseas terror groups. Iosbaker and his wife Stephanie Weiner, both anti-war activists, are suspected of activities “concerning the material support of terrorism.”

The Chicago news has been all over the demonstrations that left-wing groups have mounted in Chicago to protest the FBI’s investigation of the anti-war activists. These stories are filled with all sorts of facts, dates and names. But in a significant handful of stories one little fact seems to have escaped the notice of these hardnosed journalists. Iosbaker is an SEIU union member. And not just a rank and file member but an official.

According to the SEIU Local 73 website, Iosbaker is listed as the Local 73 Chief Steward. Iosbaker was also quite active earlier in the year protesting the closing of the Republic Windows & Doors factory that made the national news. Iosbaker was then listed as an executive board member of the SEIU.

It is interesting to note that this fact escaped most of Chicago’s TV coverage. Michelle Gallardo of ABC 7 TV seems to have forgotten to mention the union connection, CBS channel 2 also missed this fact, WGN TV channel 9 also forgot to mention the SEIU, and Channel 5 NBC also missed it, all accidentally I’m sure.

But it isn’t just TV that missed this fact. The Associated Press also seems to be blind to the fact that Iosbaker is a union operative.

My friends at the Chicago Daily Observer have helpfully offered the Old Media a spelling lesson, “SEIU, it’s spelled S-E-I-U,” they scolded.

The fact seems to be that Iosbaker is not just a little fish in the big union pond. He is at least a middle manager and local union muckity-muck. So why did so many news outlets somehow forget to mention this fact? Isn’t his status as a union operative with some station and position significant?

One is tempted to think that these news outlets were trying to cover for the SEIU.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/09/chicago-news-outlets-miss-that-fbi-targeted-protester-is-chief-steward-for-seiu/

Schicklegroover

9/29/2010 04:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having over educated self centered goofs enter this job helped to ruin it. They cant make it it in their chosen profession so now they jump on the Police band wagon.

Some of the most stupid people I have met are educated. They have a 4 year degree in ass kissing. I remember one telling me...oh you think you can balance a budget? Wow how hard is it to lie on paper. Thats all this city does.

9/29/2010 05:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With the job market today I think they will get more than 10,000.

9/29/2010 05:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So easy to get on CPD it's embarrassing... Make a more challenging process!

9/29/2010 05:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok so if we do hire some more officers what cars are they going to drive?

9/29/2010 05:39:00 AM  
Anonymous 3 Bars in Roseland said...

Does anyone know what the plans are if somebody is in the military and serving over seas for the testing process?


My nephew is currently in Iraq, and if all goes well, he will be home in 8 months.

If the process starts while he is deployed, do any of the newer members of the CPD who were previously in the military on deployment, recall what happened with your application, or the process?

Or can anyone from "inside" who actually knows something, not a rumor, please inform me?


Thank you.

3 Bars in Roeseland

9/29/2010 05:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The college requirements stopped many applicants from applying.

9/29/2010 06:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1993 30,000 apps,last test not needing the 60 credit hours.

1996D.still here.. LIFM

9/29/2010 06:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think there's going to be 30,000 applicants, but there is going to be a lot more than the previous tests due to the lack of any jobs out there.

9/29/2010 06:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alderman Beale wants to do away with the college requirement to make it easier for minorities to apply. Board of Education lowered standards for teachers in the 70's at the behest of Jesse Jackson Sr. for the same reason. We see how that worked out.

You can't lower standards; do all you can to bring people up to standard and above.

9/29/2010 06:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, maybe the March at 35th woke some people up and did some good after all. Just a thought.

9/29/2010 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even with this recession, the response will be underwhelming. The 'Detroiteriorating' continues.

9/29/2010 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“The request seeks a vendor who would purchase a pre-existing exam directly from an exam developer, provide exam materials and study guides, staff the exam and administer and grade the exam,” Buscemi said, noting that responses are due by Oct. 8.



sounds like a tod stroger moment is about to hit the fan.

9/29/2010 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gosh, I wonder who will win the bidding contest and the contract? What former superintendent has a secruity and consulting firm and hired personnel to run the exam and complete background checks? Who hired retired white shirts in anticipation of the new hiring process? Nothing changes.

9/29/2010 07:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alderman Beale wants the playing field "leveled" and gives dropping the college requirement as his way of doing this "leveling."

Here are a few more suggestions to "level" the playing field:

Allow one felony arrest for minorities. Only one now, no cheating.

Allow up to 10 misdemeanor arrests.

Allow one drivers license suspension/revocation.

Allow gang membership on the grounds that it is the minority way of joining a "social network."

Allow scores substantially lower for minorities on the grounds that white people make up the tests and then skew the results to favor honest and intelligent people.

There, that ought to level the playing field a bit.

I believe Miami had an experiment in the 1980's with similar "playing field leveling" and even though it resulted in many arrests and convictions of officers hired as a result, well, that just won't happen here, you know?

9/29/2010 07:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago, Chicago, what a wonderful town

9/29/2010 07:55:00 AM  
Blogger NorthSide said...

Why doesn't the city just give a Scantron "double header":

(1)the 12 minute, 50-item multiple choice Wonderlic for intelligence. With 4 choices for each item, even a chimpanzee could randomly score at least a 12 and a 20 score equals a median IQ score of 100.

(2) The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory II (MMPI II) to screen out the crazies.

9/29/2010 08:00:00 AM  
Blogger officer2friendly said...

SCC-
Given the unemployment rate...I think we will see an exceptional turnout. Let's further hope that they keep the college requirement.

9/29/2010 08:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is not a job for everyone--- the city should look into hiring some layed off peace officers from other cities--- bring them into the academy for a refresher course for a couple of months and then right out onto the street--- give them a one year grace period to sell their homes and establish a chicago residence--- i'm sure we have many talented young men and women who reside in chicago and would like to pursue a career in law enforcement--- we need help right now, the districts are screaming for bodies--- any of these people hired off this new test will not hit the street and be able to handle calls for 2-3 years....

9/29/2010 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do not to forget to register to vote this week.

Keep in mind that property tax bills have been delayed to Thanksgiving because Madigan and Berrios do not want the taxpayer to learn that their taxes are going way up to pay for their sweetheart breaks to their law clients.

9/29/2010 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In this economy there will be engineers, lawyers, business professionals lining up for the test. Maybe not 30k but 15k wouldn't be out of the question.

People want jobs that will be around.

9/29/2010 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

high school graduates should be allowed to take the police test
at age 18 , this would allow them to fullfill 60 college credit hours
by the time they are 21 and eligilbe to be hired as police officers. do not drop the 60 college hour requirement .
regarding low income applicants without money to attend college
allow them to take police test and if they pass take a city loan to attend community college . This loan could be repaid when hired as Chicago Police Officers .
CPD has many minority Commanders with college degrees that are merit cloutorious appointed becase they can't pass a promotional exam.

9/29/2010 08:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want a test for laziness added to the array of tests.

9/29/2010 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT will FOP now challenge the residency requirement
rahmbo is considered a chicago resident , lived in dc since jan 2009 , house rented out

police officers can now purchase a home , rent it out and live in suburbs , alot closer than dc

this ruling to let him run for mayor should help us lift residency requirement

9/29/2010 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WGN news polled viewers. 68 percent said that officers should have 2 years of college.

Not a bad idea but having common scense is the most important requirement.

9/29/2010 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep Working!!

9/29/2010 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

Alrighty Then!

This is a "fucking golden" opportunity for all of the boo-birds, back benchers, shit- talkers, hug-a-thuggers, liberal-socialist yellow pinkies, matching ankle socks & beret wearing, vespa riding in birkenstocks while sipping a latte contingent to man up, sign the fuck up and show those of us who are vested in blood, sweat and tears how THEY'RE going to be the vanguard of the new and improved touchy feely CPD.

*crickets*

*crickets jr.*

*crickets, the next generation*

Oh Come On!

All these years of buying into the Daley Inc. media control and brain washing apparatus bullshit of how out of control CPD is and how Policemen are all corrupt and dishonest?

All the shit-talk of stripping Policemen of pay and pension just because "everybody else is out of work, without a pension and having to eat their 401K's" and Policemen should feel financial pain above and beyond by virtue of wearing a silly blue suit?

The current state of CPD was orchestrated by Crime King Shorty in it's entirety out of sheer meanness, spite and politics.

He cynically exploited economic hard times to intentionally separate CPD from public goodwill so that he could destroy it at his leisure and pleasure.

MONEY! Destroy the department so there would be no public outrage for all these years of intentionally underfunding the pension/pushing his Springfield contingent to enact backdoor changes in state law to enable the city to walk away from it's obligation.

This is payback for Crime King Shorty not being able to get his hands on "all dat free money" in our pension fund.

Daley Inc. made sure Miriam Santos was dealt with for getting in the way of a pension fund grab. Know your history!

Fuckery in furtherance is the current glut of gold stars he put in place which will deplete the pension at an accelerated pace. This is bullshit. Gold Stars should pension at career service rank. PERIOD! Commander's pay and above should be enough reward for the rank.

But anyway...

The last few years has been a shit-talkers holiday.

Now it's time for the shit-talkers to put up or shut up.

C'mon!

How hard can Policing be?

You all constantly say it's easy and you have no idea why Coppers have the audacity to be pissed off.

Show us how you would smile when so many are falling over each other to line up and take a shit on you just because you're a Chicago Police Officer.

We "predict" less than 2K serious applicants.

We "predict" a lot of noise from the runnin' dog rev'runs about the test being in the King's English.

We "predict" a lot of rejections due to drug screening.

Wishful thinking for vigorous psych, intelligence and criminal background screening.

In our eyes there is no such thing as a "former gangbanger" on this job. Too many of the right lives are at stake. There are likely exceptions but we've seen the ugly side to this shit and it needs to die out.

Come on shit-talkers! What are you waiting for? Please sign up! We could use a good laugh.

9/29/2010 09:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This will be perfect for those guys getting ready to turn their lives around tomorrow.

9/29/2010 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone requesting info on the police tests: They don't tell us and the test is not given by the police dept. Go on the City of Chicago website. Find Human Resources. I just checked it and there was no mention of a police exam but there are phone numbers. What I did when I got out of the army was I went to city hall, found the office and filled out a postcard. Five years later when they finally announced a test I got that postcard back in the mail. That was 1981 and I'm sure things have changed but I'd advise: go to city hall personally and request the info from a human being face-to-face, don't rely on telephone or e-mail.

9/29/2010 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you managed to sit thru 2 years of some sort of college and can't pass the police entrance exam, you're too stupid to be the police.

9/29/2010 03:22:00 AM

Sounds like management material to me.

9/29/2010 09:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IF I HAVE 300 HOURS OF COLLEGE CAN I STILL GET EVENT NUMBERS?

9/29/2010 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Currently, there are thousands of very well qualified men and women out there looking for jobs who do not have any college but are better suited for this job than just about anyone. They are called Veterans. When I came on the job in the early '90's the vast majority of the old timers on the job were Vietnam vets. These guys knew how to be the police, they knew how to lead, they understood what it was to be under fire and how to handle stress. Veterans are what this job needs. College has its place and I am all for bettering your educational standing. But this job doesn't take a degree to be good at it. Maybe if you aspire to be a house mouse it would come in handy, crunching numbers and all, but out on the street, in the shit, college means squat. You need someone who is cool headed in stressful situations and can think on their feet. That is a veteran of the Armed Forces of the United States of America. So, drop the college requirement, you ask. Hell Yes, I say, and hire some veterans. They earned it.

9/29/2010 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is not a job for everyone--- the city should look into hiring some layed off peace officers from other cities--- bring them into the academy for a refresher course for a couple of months and then right out onto the street--- give them a one year grace period to sell their homes and establish a chicago residence--- i'm sure we have many talented young men and women who reside in chicago and would like to pursue a career in law enforcement--- we need help right now, the districts are screaming for bodies--- any of these people hired off this new test will not hit the street and be able to handle calls for 2-3 years....

9/29/2010 08:16:00 AM

THIS WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO!

9/29/2010 09:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
2300? I thought Shanks and Jody said we were short about 700? Is JP Weis a liar ?

9/29/2010 01:19:00 AM

Maybe you should learn to rad more critically. Nobody is lying,that is the reporter's interpretation, not anyone from the city. Maybe she reads this rumormill blog.

9/29/2010 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and now shit bag beale wants to dummy down the department even more and get rid of college requirements...you know, to "level the playing field for minorities"...whats next, get rid of the no felonies requirement? Or what about the POWER test? Lets have a bunch of fat, stupid thugs running around...corruption???nah...no corruption here! Great idea, Beale...

9/29/2010 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger Cpdcoppurr said...

Are they taking any rehires for those that left and wish to come back???

95-8B and damn proud of it!

9/29/2010 10:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's see . . . police exam - the litigation will go on, I predict, sometime past 2020.

The litigation will cost the City somewhere upwards of $5M, unless of course the City loses, in which case we're looking at a $100M.

The plaintiffs' lawyers are rubbing their hands, and eyeing yacht catalogues as you read this.

9/29/2010 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I, for one, plan to lead "Free Gun Toting Grandma" protests if that Alvarez biatch tries to prosecute Granny.

9/29/2010 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
WGN news polled viewers. 68 percent said that officers should have 2 years of college.

Not a bad idea but having common scense is the most important requirement.

9/29/2010 08:56:00 AM

Spelling too.

9/29/2010 10:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Wonderlic intelligence timed test mentioned by Northside is used to test rookies in the annual NFL combine. By position, the average scores are interesting.

OT 26, C 25, QB 24, G 23, TE 22, S 19, LB 19, CB 18, WR 17 FB 17 and HB 16. On average, offensive linemen and the quarterback do best. The running back is the dummy. Only one player, a punter, scored a perfect 50.

I wonder how the CPD bosses would do on the Wonderlic test. Would they beat the chimpanzee?

I would also drop the 60 college credit hours requirement in favor of an IQ test. I've met high school grads that are very smart while some of these college guys are downright stupid.

9/29/2010 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Beale saying that minority applicants need "help"? Isn't he basically saying that minority applicants can't hack it under the current hiring standards so therefore we must cater to them?
There's something wrong with this logic and the public should be outraged that there is a public elected "official" who thinks and acts this way. In Beale's case I use that term "official" very loosely.
We need new hires very badly but what is next recruiting at the prison discharge gates? This city and department is so fucked up I can't see light at the end of the tunnel.

9/29/2010 10:54:00 AM  
Blogger Defective Detective said...

You guys are too funny (and clever)! A "Robert Vanecko Police Entrance Exam" is just the twisted, clout-ridden scheme one would expect in Chicago. I still can't stop laughing. You guys are hilarious!!

Seriously, I know first hand what is meant by ".... THIS JOKE OF A POLICE DEPT." I have experienced the corruption and unfairness many times during the 40+ years with CPD.

But now I'm retired and let me tell all of you how wonderful it is to get paid for doing nothing!
My favorite sign: "GONE FISHING!" (on a cruise!).

And 30,000 applicants? I'm not shocked at all!! Law enforcement is one of the few genuine careers remaining in the U.S.A.

BE SAFE ONE AND ALL!!

9/29/2010 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tuesday October 5th is the deadline to register to vote in the November 2, 2010 General Election.
Get registered. Get all your friends and family members registered.
Then get to the polls and VOTE!

9/29/2010 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get rid of the Age cap and keep the 60 credit hrs.

9/29/2010 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is TERRY HILLIARD GOING TO BID ON THIS CONTRACT?

9/29/2010 12:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its Obamas fault.

9/29/2010 12:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How did this ignorant jagoff alderman get in charge? He wants to lower the education requirement WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE ARE ENOUGH STUPID IGNORANT PEOPLE OUT THERE Try making the city better you dip shit education is not that bad combined with common sense. Sorry your uneducated gang banger cousins can not pass the test but there is a reason we do not need them on the job and in our roll calls, remember 014 at all... Chicago will be worse then Detroit in less then 5 years, keep paying those high taxes and voting dummy-crat how ignorant is this guy, seriously

9/29/2010 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beale... What a joke! Ignorant embarrassing just a waste of time. How do I get a job making the money he does being that stupid? Does this jag think the citizens, the tax paying ones, are that ignorant and blind? Get ride of Jody and this punk and make this department whole again. Enough is enough. I am a working Police Officer, not a punching bag for the public so when a shit head takes a shot you know I'm taking mine.

9/29/2010 12:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

will i be allowed to wear my home montering ankle bracelet on test day? also can i take the test in the afternoon? i have a hard time waking up before noon. just wondering!

9/29/2010 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Education is a great accomplishment, but it seems to have hurt our PD. A lot of over educated people who have never worked another job. They never knew what it was to carry a bundle of shingles up a ladder or flip a burger for Ronald. A lot of them don't appreciate the job they have and think because they are highly educated means they know it all. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of non educated whiners but in my 20 yrs it seems a lot worse the last 10.
Of course the ones who I'm speaking of will bash Mt grammar, sentence structure, etc. And when u do thanks for proving my point.
This job needs to go back to the para military organization it used to be and stop being so politically correct.

9/29/2010 01:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been waiting for a couple of years now to be able to join CPD. This is my dream job, no matter how bad some people make it out to be.

I am so excited that I will finally get the opportunity to apply. The next couple of months are definitely going to be exciting for me, and many other CPD hopeful's.

We have been PATIENT!

9/29/2010 01:02:00 AM

Sincerely,

Michael Masters

9/29/2010 01:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'this is not a job for everyone--- the city should look into hiring some layed off peace officers from other cities--- bring them into the academy for a refresher course for a couple of months and then right out onto the street--- give them a one year grace period to sell their homes and establish a chicago residence--- i'm sure we have many talented young men and women who reside in chicago and would like to pursue a career in law enforcement--- we need help right now, the districts are screaming for bodies--- any of these people hired off this new test will not hit the street and be able to handle calls for 2-3 years....'

I agree with this poster. There are a lot of ALREADY TRAINED LEOs out there who are laid off who should receive offers from the city. A brief refresher course in the academy, checking on their background from their previous Depts. for any obvious (or not so obvious) red flags, and get the newbies up and running. The manpower issues (such as they are here), we need those bodies on the streets asap, and if we can hire those who don't need 6 months in the academy, so much the better.

On another note, Ald. Beale is just a fool. I'm black, and I don't want a goof hired under the standards he's proposing, I don't care what color the applicant.
The message Ald. Beale should be sending out should be to all parents, especially minority parents, and it should state simply:

1) Raise your children.
2) Monitor what they are doing (or not) in their
schools, and correct what needs correcting.
3) Provide your child with constructive things to do
outside of school. This ensures they aren't going
to get 'caught up' in arrests that will flag them for
the rest of their lives.
4) Don't allow drugs in your home. Don't do drugs
in front of your kids. Don't allow relatives who
are involved in drugs or gangs around your kids.
5) Know who your kids friends are. Know who their
parents are. Know what the friends' parents do
for a living.
6) Supervise what your kids are doing with regard to
electronic media. This means tv, computers,
games, music. If you don't approve, remove it.
7) Don't be a peer to your kids...be a parent. It
makes your life so less difficult down the road.

9/29/2010 01:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not that difficult. see Northside's Comments, and add 20 sit-ups, 20 push ups, 6 chin ups, and a 2 block run. All Crookago police exams will be politically correct anyway, and therefore Corrupt, just like the City itself. We will get about 3/4 hirees ready to do their probationary period with difficulty, then get an inside job, just like now. As usual, the old Warhorses will be expected to pick up the slack, while the "desk dollies' get the same pay, as armed secretaries.

9/29/2010 01:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

30,000? don't doubt it. With all the kids who've been waiting four years plus the unemployment rate, no number would surprise. The college needs to STAY! If u can't figure out how to get 60 credits, knowing it's a requirement, then u shouldn't be the police.

9/29/2010 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: 9/29/2010 04:46:00 AM

I don't think the media is hiding anything-unless it's police officer, rather does a person's work get mentioned in relation to their crime- unless is sensational- like a teacher abusing a students.

I do think your SEIU bashing is the same kind of small mindedness that paints all police officers with the sins of Abbate. 99% of police are not like that creep but we all get tarred and feathered as if.

At least the SEIU marched with us around city hall- which is not what everyone can say.

9/29/2010 02:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bad economy, lots of veterans looking for work. expect 12-15,000

9/29/2010 02:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You will have at least 15,000 to 20,000 applicants for this test. There are many good sharp people out there who in this economy are either unemployed or under employed, and will jump at the chance to take this job, problems and all.

Also to 9/29/2010 02:19A.M.
I am curious,can you tell us why you want to leave a police job in California to come back here?

9/29/2010 02:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I always love it when the gang bangers who take criminal justice classes at a college kiosk tell me when they graduate they are going to be my boss.

9/29/2010 02:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got in on the '91 test. If I recall correctly 28,000 took it and 2,800 got hired. The only reason I remember the #'s is because 10% got hired.

Correct me if I am wrong.

9/29/2010 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I currently have 2.5 years on large California department



stay their.

9/29/2010 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they'll waive the college and let people who graduated 8th grade apply.



Your kidding- whats your degree in basket weaving. Common sense is what you need on this job bring back the assessment center.

9/29/2010 02:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having over educated self centered goofs enter this job helped to ruin it. They cant make it it in their chosen profession so now they jump on the Police band wagon.

Some of the most stupid people I have met are educated. They have a 4 year degree in ass kissing. I remember one telling me...oh you think you can balance a budget? Wow how hard is it to lie on paper. Thats all this city does.


Well said mister!

9/29/2010 02:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's further hope that they keep the college requirement.



Why So I can be a nurse with a gun at the medical section. What a joke.

9/29/2010 03:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently nobody read the fine print. The City has put out a request for bids. Those can take several months for the bidding, the vetting, the negotiations and finally the contract writing. A year would be fast. Then there is the matter of the test actually being written, even if an old test is used and updated. Then the application process and the scheduling, etc. etc.

The City will be lucky to get this accomplished in less than 2 1/2 years.

DON'T ANYBODY QUIT THEIR DAY JOBS JUST YET!!!

9/29/2010 03:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any chance of them opening up a lateral type program for officers with police experience? Would you guys still recommend people join this department?
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Not a chance in hell friend. If you feel the department you work for now has no opportunity for advancement, don't bother coming here unless you enjoy the taste of dick.

And if you're thinking of coming here to be the "real police" think again. You will, of course, be placed in situations that undoubtedly call for being the "real police", but are you willing to go to jail or otherwise have one of our local ghetto blasters' attorney's living in your home or selling it off to some minority scumbag so he can laugh while he ruins your old neighborhood?

Come to Chicago at your own peril lads. You can't do the job here as even the law allows because you'll be thrown under the bus for votes and the promotions of others.

Stay where you are, enjoy the fact that you do the work you do, because coming to Chicago will only get you sued, house-poor, thrown under a bus for the mere headlines and promotions that ensue and having to live in one of the last few, small remaining neighborhoods that are decent enough to live in while at the same time feeling like you have to defend it like fort apache from the evergrowing scumpile of Democrats that are treated like gold in this city.

STAY HOME, DON'T do something you WILL regret just because you think a Chicago patch is "cool" or that YOU can make a difference here or that your efforts to actually act like a cop will ever be rewarded with anything other than investgations against you and time spent worrying whether the City is going to cut you loose like they do with everyone here.

9/29/2010 03:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3 Bars in Roeseland,

I contacted CPD during my last deployment in '02 and they put me into the "Ambassador Program". What that is is that they simply put your name on the list to SIGN UP for the next available test upon your return home. The coppers running it were straight with me, but it is a city program. Check with 35th st and ask them about the program and forward the info to your nephew. He can also find the ambassador program online, if they are offering a test. They were pretty flexible, but that was 8 years ago, when the wars were more popular. Good luck.

9/29/2010 03:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so excited that I will finally get the opportunity to apply. The next couple of months are definitely going to be exciting for me, and many other CPD hopeful's.

We have been PATIENT!

*******************************
YOU, sir or madam, have no business being the police. This is obvious from your giddy tone of wording and the fact that you relate how "exciting" you think being the police is going to be.

God for the life of me I just can't fathom how so many just have no idea what it takes to be the police. It appears people just think it's all a game for any libtard to play and have a good time doing.

Idiots.

9/29/2010 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget to reinstate Vets preference points.

Get a better breed of recruit. If that's what they really want?

9/29/2010 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANYBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULDN'T WASTE THEIR TIME TAKING AN EXAM FOR THIS JOKE OF A POLICE DEPT.

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Over $60,000 @ year after 18 months?
$80,000 with O.T., Special Employment, Holiday Pay, Duty Availability and uniform allowance?

Someone with just a GED can just walk on this job and make that kind of money?

If you don't think that's enough go work at McDonald's or Walmart and see how much you'll make punk.

With the exception of a few smaller communities in New York State and around the nation the Chicago Police Department is THE BEST PAYING POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY.


Reference:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/09/nj_police_salaries_rank_highes.html

9/29/2010 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When times are good there are a lot opportunities, but when things are tight like they are today the idea of risking your life to provide for your family doesn’t sound all that too ridiculous.
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Yeah, and THEN times are GOOD again and all those wannabe's start thinking what a SHIT job this is and come to the realization that they've wasted too much time on this job and there's no way out now except to wait until they can finally retire.

Being the police takes YEARS to aquire the ability to perform well, not weeks or months. For the dense of mind, that means it takes a long time to learn to do well.

All those who think the'll take this job because there aren't any others out there, think again. You're EXACTLY the kind of person who, as soon as the local economy is back in full swing, will be regretting that you wasted all your time in this job and that you now have no way out.

Oh, and add to that comfy thought that along the way, all those other mopes who love to cry that youre making too much money are also trying to steal your pension from you and your family.

Welcome to the CPD. Save the last one for yourself.

9/29/2010 03:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm retired ISP; Can I get a job???

9/29/2010 03:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wouldn't you just love to see the Wonderlic scores of the exempts? Most of the morons would score in the teens.

9/29/2010 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what the plans are if somebody is in the military and serving over seas for the testing process?


My nephew is currently in Iraq, and if all goes well, he will be home in 8 months.

If the process starts while he is deployed, do any of the newer members of the CPD who were previously in the military on deployment, recall what happened with your application, or the process?

Or can anyone from "inside" who actually knows something, not a rumor, please inform me?


Thank you.

3 Bars in Roeseland

The city may or may not offer a test later for members of the military who missed the initial written test. If, however, a person takes and passes the written test, the city will put your application to the side and once the deployment is over you start right back where you left off. it happened to me and the city was awesome about it. Actually the city is great to those who serve our country.

9/29/2010 03:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any chance of them opening up a lateral type program for officers with police experience? Would you guys still recommend people join this department? I know things are messed up, but at the end of the day do you guys have any fun??

I currently have 2.5 years on large California department and would love to come back home to Chicago!! Not looking forward to the winters though!!

Its a great job with great pay and benefits still! Despite what you read on here, there is still a lot of fun to be had. Living in the city is a drag as it is over-priced and only caters to the lazy and criminal, but the job rocks!

9/29/2010 03:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Currently, there are thousands of very well qualified men and women out there looking for jobs who do not have any college but are better suited for this job than just about anyone. They are called Veterans. When I came on the job in the early '90's the vast majority of the old timers on the job were Vietnam vets. These guys knew how to be the police, they knew how to lead, they understood what it was to be under fire and how to handle stress. Veterans are what this job needs. College has its place and I am all for bettering your educational standing. But this job doesn't take a degree to be good at it. Maybe if you aspire to be a house mouse it would come in handy, crunching numbers and all, but out on the street, in the shit, college means squat. You need someone who is cool headed in stressful situations and can think on their feet. That is a veteran of the Armed Forces of the United States of America. So, drop the college requirement, you ask. Hell Yes, I say, and hire some veterans. They earned it.

9/29/2010 09:48:00 AM

Best comment I have ever read on this blog!! Thank you for it and for your service!

9/29/2010 03:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the starting and 1st year OT potential?

9/29/2010 03:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Currently, there are thousands of very well qualified men and women out there looking for jobs who do not have any college but are better suited for this job than just about anyone. They are called Veterans. When I came on the job in the early '90's the vast majority of the old timers on the job were Vietnam vets. These guys knew how to be the police, they knew how to lead, they understood what it was to be under fire and how to handle stress. Veterans are what this job needs. College has its place and I am all for bettering your educational standing. But this job doesn't take a degree to be good at it. Maybe if you aspire to be a house mouse it would come in handy, crunching numbers and all, but out on the street, in the shit, college means squat. You need someone who is cool headed in stressful situations and can think on their feet. That is a veteran of the Armed Forces of the United States of America. So, drop the college requirement, you ask. Hell Yes, I say, and hire some veterans. They earned it.

9/29/2010 09:48:00 AM

I agree that hiring veterans is awesome, and they definately deserve it .. but please keep the college requirement for those who have NOT gone into the service.. and CPD currently offers veterans the option to use their service as a substitute for college credits.

9/29/2010 04:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I got asked today when another exam will be offered. The article says the city will have exam, my freind needs to know on what date. Any help will be appreciated.

9/29/2010 12:39:00 AM

Call this phone number:
312.744.4966

9/29/2010 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

:18:00 AM

Anonymous said...
high school graduates should be allowed to take the police test
at age 18 , this would allow them to fullfill 60 college credit hours
by the time they are 21 and eligilbe to be hired as police officers. do not drop the 60 college hour requirement .
regarding low income applicants without money to attend college
allow them to take police test and if they pass take a city loan to attend community college . This loan could be repaid when hired as Chicago Police Officers .
CPD has many minority Commanders with college degrees that are merit cloutorious appointed becase they can't pass a promotional exam.

9/29/2010 08:26:00 AM

That program is caled the cadet program. Been around for five years. When Cline left, the program was pushed to the side. Abused and used, numerous cadets left and went to other departments. Maybe the policy group and re-evaluate the cadet program?

9/29/2010 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I took the test in 1990.

There were a shitload of people there. I seem to remember one guy got called upon, went up to the front and was handcuffed and led away. He had stolen a car and parked illegally in front of the facility.

Still more applicants were called up and led away... those folks had active criminal warrants.

And then there was the surprise piss test... Lots of stuttering there from a lot of the shitbag-types.

Thank fucking god I didn't accept a job up there.

And that was twenty years ago!

You REALLY have your work cut out for you checking a majority of those borderline-illiterate "high school grad" appliCAN'Ts today, I'm sure.

It's a miracle there are as many good cops in Chicago as there are.

9/29/2010 04:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Breaking News...Rahm Emanuel mayoral bid announcement likely Friday.

9/29/2010 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Currently, there are thousands of very well qualified men and women out there looking for jobs who do not have any college but are better suited for this job than just about anyone. They are called Veterans. When I came on the job in the early '90's the vast majority of the old timers on the job were Vietnam vets. These guys knew how to be the police, they knew how to lead, they understood what it was to be under fire and how to handle stress. Veterans are what this job needs. College has its place and I am all for bettering your educational standing. But this job doesn't take a degree to be good at it. Maybe if you aspire to be a house mouse it would come in handy, crunching numbers and all, but out on the street, in the shit, college means squat. You need someone who is cool headed in stressful situations and can think on their feet. That is a veteran of the Armed Forces of the United States of America. So, drop the college requirement, you ask. Hell Yes, I say, and hire some veterans. They earned it.


Hey idiot, if you served 4 years in the Armed Forces that is just as good as 60 credit hours......maybe you should read the req before opening your mouth.

9/29/2010 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I joined the CPD I had Bachelor's Degree in Education. Soon after joining the job, I went back to get my Master's. I have always said: You do NOT need highly educated people to perform this job. We need people that have moral values, desire to help other, ability to learn fast, and the ability to keep their mouth shut, eyes and ears open, and be PHYSICALLY FIT. Some of the BEST coppers I have ever met/worked with, never had collage. But then again, education is not what it used to be!!!!

If ANYONE wants to Really become the police for the RIGHT reasons, go ahead and do it. do not let anyone crush your dream!! Despite all the bad comments, this is still a GREAT job. Some of the rules of the game have changed, but like anything else, you must adopt.

9/29/2010 04:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

......... So, drop the college requirement, you ask. Hell Yes, I say, and hire some veterans. They earned it.

9/29/2010 09:48:00 AM
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I agree with the previous poster 100%.

Being a Police Officer definitely does not require a College degree.

Prior Military service is a much better background to have, in my opinion.

I spent 30 years on the job & most of the best were the veterans with former military service to our country.

Do the right thing and give our service members a chance to serve again.

Hiring should require college or Military service (Honorable). This requirement will help in weeding out the applicants who were too lazy to do something productive with their lives/time.

Signed a retired officer.

9/29/2010 04:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aldercreature Beales went racial already. Just like you better have your kids registered to vote, Its our duty to get "our" kids to the test and the one or two good ones you know to get on the list !

9/29/2010 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have heard that the 2006 list is not completed, due to people appeals. Anyone have any info about them?

9/29/2010 01:32:00 AM


Yes. If you were a M/2 with no criminal record the background people went out of their way to screw you over.

9/29/2010 05:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

----- They are called Veterans. When I came on the job in the early '90's the vast majority of the old timers on the job were Vietnam vets..........
ASK JIMBO ALDERCREATURE BALCER 11th Ward He blames FOP for not fighting for veterans promotion points on exams but He does nothing
to help vets. Keep this when you vote against him.

9/29/2010 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

H.S. diploma or G.E.D. to get on the job....two year degree for detective, or sergeant; degree for lieutenant or above (INCLUDING EXEMPT).

That would be fair and would give those with just H.S. a chance to get their education together after they are on the job.

Remember: too much college and not enough high school asshat types.

9/29/2010 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT:

What fucking idiot is in charge of the academy weight room? First they buy a bunch of stupid fucking equipment instead weights, power racks and benches. Then shit breaks and it never gets fixed, or it gets a broken note and it's not broken. Now you move the squat rack perpendicular to the olympic platform, making one unusable if the others is in use. And you moved the squat rack to put some Jack Tripper era bench press nautilis machine in it's spot?? WTF. Whoever is in charge of the weight room needs to be removed because it's totally fucked up and they dumb as shit.

9/29/2010 06:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about a H.S. diploma and either

2 yrs of college
2 yrs active military
2 yrs previous law enforcement

4 yrs of college for detective and up

9/29/2010 06:47:00 PM  
Blogger NorthSide said...

To calculate IQ score from the Wonderlic (W) score, use this formula: IQ = W x 2 + 60. (Median W of 20 = median IQ of 100; a perfect score on W = IQ 160 or higher. An IQ of 100 is average for the U.S. population. Morons score 80 or below. Gifted, Mensa qualified and geniuses start at IQ 134-140. Other prominent IQ tests are the Stanford-Benet and the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS).

I agree with Ald. Beale. Drop the education requirement altogether. There are too many "Mickey Mouse colleges" that produce borderline morons. Conversely, there are documented instances of 8th graders and certainly those with only a high school diploma scoring in the genius range on cognitive exams.

As a college grad, you cannot fault my impartiality. Some of the sharpest dicks with whom I've ever worked had only a high school diploma.

However, we are dealing with "the Chicago Way". You may recall that a candidate named Robert Jordan scored a Wonderlic 33/50 (IQ: 126) in the New London, CN P.D. entrance exam. He was rejected because he was "too smart". New London wanted no candidates with an IQ score in excess of 114.

Fuckin' incredible! I'll take a smart streetwise cop with only a high school education for a partner anytime over a summa cum laude house mouse.

By the way, I contacted WONDERLIC, conveniently located in suburban Libertyville about the proposed CPD entrance exam.

Critics will predictably object because of "adverse racial impact". No problem. If the CPD wants "diversity", pick the best and brightest in each racial group. However, under no circumstances can we hire morons. We have too many already.

9/29/2010 06:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
OT:

What fucking idiot is in charge of the academy weight room? First they buy a bunch of stupid fucking equipment instead weights, power racks and benches. Then shit breaks and it never gets fixed, or it gets a broken note and it's not broken. Now you move the squat rack perpendicular to the olympic platform, making one unusable if the others is in use. And you moved the squat rack to put some Jack Tripper era bench press nautilis machine in it's spot?? WTF. Whoever is in charge of the weight room needs to be removed because it's totally fucked up and they dumb as shit.
9/29/2010 06:15:00 PM

########################

That would be non other than the infamous, A. C-H.
The end, all be all Admin. Mgr. of the Academy.
She is a legend in her own mind.
She really is.
Really.

9/29/2010 06:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT will FOP now challenge the residency requirement
rahmbo is considered a chicago resident , lived in dc since jan 2009 , house rented out

police officers can now purchase a home , rent it out and live in suburbs , alot closer than dc

this ruling to let him run for mayor should help us lift residency requirement

*****

your lack of comprehension of the residency rule is staggering.

9/29/2010 07:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Don't forget to reinstate Vets preference points.

Get a better breed of recruit. If that's what they really want?

9/29/2010 03:32:00 PM

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Love to see vets get the job.
Just not the gang banging vets!

9/29/2010 07:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

any chance of them opening up a lateral type program for officers with police experience?

******

i can tell you for a fact that a lateral program is being considered or at least has been in the last 6 months. not sure where it stands now however.

9/29/2010 07:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jody threw out or slipped dec 11 for target date for test yesterday.

9/29/2010 07:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

spot all veterans 25 points for their service.

the city needs the demeanor of combat veterans especially

post war hires are always a better
crop of candidates

retired

9/29/2010 07:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What has ACTUALLY hurt our Dept. with regard to educational requirements is that so many officers have obtained their degrees from Mickey Mouse Universities, instead of attending a REAL college and doing some REAL college course work! Some of the worst reports I have ever seen (and sent back!) have come from people who make it a point to tell me how many degrees they have, when they can't spell worth a lick!
People who frequently misspell frequently used words, like:
1) Police (polcie)
2) Mirandas (Imandas)
The list goes on, and on. Many of these people have never even written a term paper of their own.
I also frequently receive e-mails from exempts that are littered with spelling errors. It's rather embarrassing at times to imagine that some of these people are in high positions of importance on this job, especially when spellcheck is built into blackberries and most e-mail applications.

9/29/2010 07:35:00 PM  
OpenID hipiap1 said...

Oak Park PD.......2 years or so ago.....


7 open positions...

1500 test takers.


I will be taking every test that is offered for CPD for the next 16 months.

9/29/2010 07:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, 4:29pm, master's degree: It's college not collage and it's adapt, not adopt. No remedial spelling at your school?

9/29/2010 08:00:00 PM  
Anonymous "Munchies" Bogart, Unit 189 said...

Drop the drug screen for weed. Let's call for a pizza, babe. Family size. Hahaha.

9/29/2010 08:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard it's going to be rock-paper-scissors to select recruits.

9/29/2010 09:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you get on with a hs degree or GED, then what.. lower the standards for promotions, too?

WE got enough people on the job who can't read or write a paragraph that makes sense.

Keep the 2 year college. It shows some motivation on the applicant's part. Don't tell me that you can't afford to go to a City of Chicago Jr. College. It's pretty cheap and they even give our financial aid. I'd rather have a kid with 60 credit hours or an associate degree than someone who sat around at home all day at mom's house and partied at night. As far as vets go, give them some credit for being in the service.

The alderman who is crying about the minimal 60 credit hours is doing another attempt to further dumb-down this job.

9/29/2010 09:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about we give education incentives like other big city depts?3,000 for bachelors, and 6,000 for masters to start!just like houston!

9/29/2010 09:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree make a spot for latteral transfers and spots for laid off coppers.

9/29/2010 09:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about give the city their minimal HS or GED to take the entrance exam in lieu of ALL MERIT PROMOTIONS. Promote by your test scores only and get rid of merit for good.

As far as promotions are concerned, all those who have HS MUST have a 2 year degree BEFORE they take the promotional exam for Det. 4 year degree for Sgt and Lt.

9/29/2010 09:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are also putting the Background Investigations Job out to bid so we will have a private firm doing out hiring -

9/29/2010 09:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are still many who were rejected by the current staff in the HR Investigations section that are appealing to the city to be reinstated. The investigators did their jobs and knocked these people out but the city will put them back on - now with an outside vendor doing the background checks what type of police offficer will be hiring?

9/29/2010 09:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT:

What fucking idiot is in charge of the academy weight room? First they buy a bunch of stupid fucking equipment instead weights, power racks and benches. Then shit breaks and it never gets fixed, or it gets a broken note and it's not broken. Now you move the squat rack perpendicular to the olympic platform, making one unusable if the others is in use. And you moved the squat rack to put some Jack Tripper era bench press nautilis machine in it's spot?? WTF. Whoever is in charge of the weight room needs to be removed because it's totally fucked up and they dumb as shit.

9/29/2010 06:15:00 PM

Tobias bought it all. Paid in full, the company went bankrupt after delivering half the shit. More stellar moves by the clueless brass.

9/29/2010 09:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So easy to get on CPD it's embarrassing... Make a more challenging process!

9/29/2010 05:35:00 AM


So easy, even a caveman can do it.

9/29/2010 09:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daley and Company want to destroy everything on their way out. Send a message at the voting box and don't back their guys. Vote the other guy.

9/29/2010 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so excited that I will finally get the opportunity to apply. The next couple of months are definitely going to be exciting for me, and many other CPD hopeful's.

We have been PATIENT!

*******************************
YOU, sir or madam, have no business being the police. This is obvious from your giddy tone of wording and the fact that you relate how "exciting" you think being the police is going to be.

God for the life of me I just can't fathom how so many just have no idea what it takes to be the police. It appears people just think it's all a game for any libtard to play and have a good time doing.

Idiots.

9/29/2010 03:32:00 PM

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Wow. This is the prick comment of the year.
I say God Bless ya, come on aboard.

9/29/2010 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is not a job for everyone--- the city should look into hiring some layed off peace officers from other cities--- bring them into the academy for a refresher course for a couple of months and then right out onto the street--- give them a one year grace period to sell their homes and establish a chicago residence--- i'm sure we have many talented young men and women who reside in chicago and would like to pursue a career in law enforcement--- we need help right now, the districts are screaming for bodies--- any of these people hired off this new test will not hit the street and be able to handle calls for 2-3 years....

9/29/2010 08:16:00 AM


_____________________

"peace" officers?

Oh, God, they've gotten to you too.

9/29/2010 10:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been waiting for a couple of years now to be able to join CPD. This is my dream job, no matter how bad some people make it out to be.

I am so excited that I will finally get the opportunity to apply. The next couple of months are definitely going to be exciting for me, and many other CPD hopeful's.

We have been PATIENT!

9/29/2010 01:02:00 AM

Sincerely,

Michael Masters

9/29/2010 01:31:00 PM


***************

Go MASTERS ... it's your birthday .... Go MASTERS

9/29/2010 10:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Are you the police?
No, ma'am. We're musicians. but we are taking the new police test."

9/29/2010 10:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kid next door was on the "list" for years...Great kid, served in the army 2 tours...saw him today when he stopped by his mom & dads...mentioned this and he just laughed & said that he's with a sub dept. loves it & would never trade it!!!! Clean cut, respected Hispanic kid from a great family....Chicago lost again!!! But good for him!!!

9/29/2010 10:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What fucking idiot is in charge of the academy weight room? First they buy a bunch of stupid fucking equipment instead weights, power racks and benches. Then shit breaks and it never gets fixed, or it gets a broken note and it's not broken. Now you move the squat rack perpendicular to the olympic platform, making one unusable if the others is in use. And you moved the squat rack to put some Jack Tripper era bench press nautilis machine in it's spot?? WTF. Whoever is in charge of the weight room needs to be removed because it's totally fucked up and they dumb as shit."

There is NOTHING WRONG with the exercise room at the Academy! The only thing wrong with it now, is typical City bullshit, I.E., no fucking contract to fix/repair/replace the equipment as it BREAKS DOWN. And that is a decision of the bean counters, not the CPD. That gym cost about $4 mil when it was completed, and it was great to (at that time) have a nice, clean state-of-the-art gym to work out in 24 hrs a day. More and more people use the gym, which causes more breakdowns of equipment. We don't have a maintenance contract now, so it's just a matter of time before the Homan Sq. gym will actually have better equipment THAT WORKS as opposed to the CPD Academy gym.
You'd think the city would learn from this constant 'buy it now, worry about maintenance/upkeep of it later' attitude. It just costs them a whole lot more money in the long run....

9/29/2010 10:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First and foremost crteria for the new applicants---don't take drug pay-off money from gangbangers.

9/29/2010 10:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The college requirements stopped many applicants from applying."

Supposedly many aldermen back throwing out the college requirement, to "level the playing field", whatever that means.

9/29/2010 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No disrespect to any of you however I seriously can't see how you all are able to do your job on a daily basis regardless if you're even able to try to have a positive mindset.

Many of you drive beat cars that look like they should be sitting in a junkyard or be explosive testing devices as training tools for our CFD, are seriously understaffed...

but the absolute worst part is the fact that this city really does not allow you to perform the job of peace officer and treat you more like security guards. I'd rather apply in the burbs or elsewhere where one can perform their job functions....

9/29/2010 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats to all the 2010 Lambert Tree nominee's. Out of curiosity what were all the qualifying circumstances? Does anybody know?

9/29/2010 11:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't mean to bust your bubble, But seriously you don't need college for this job, you don't have to be a Brain surgeon to be a good cop, all you really need is common sense and balls, common sense being a priority and of course balls to be able to do the job and make a call!

9/29/2010 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I currently have 2.5 years on large California department and would love to come back home to Chicago!! Not looking forward to the winters though!!"

CALIF. LEO, Illinois does not have a POST type certification that you currently enjoy. Why would you leave the sunny climes for 9 months of crap weather? SERIOUSLY

9/29/2010 11:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. This is the prick comment of the year.
I say God Bless ya, come on aboard.

9/29/2010 09:59:00 PM



misery loves company.

9/29/2010 11:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will be taking every test that is offered for CPD for the next 16 months.

9/29/2010 07:53:00 PM



thanks for the warning.

9/29/2010 11:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want a test for laziness added to the array of tests.

9/29/2010 08:42:00 AM



sure thing, boss, we'll get right on it.

9/29/2010 11:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

H.S. diploma or G.E.D. to get on the job....two year degree for detective, or sergeant; degree for lieutenant or above (INCLUDING EXEMPT).

That would be fair and would give those with just H.S. a chance to get their education together after they are on the job.

Remember: too much college and not enough high school asshat types.

9/29/2010 05:44:00 PM

You want to work in a car for 8 hours and go on jobs with someone who had something better to do than finish high school? I think Beale has the CPD confused with Walmart. If you want jobs for people who were "too" smart to go to high school, send them to Walmart.

9/30/2010 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANYBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULDN'T WASTE THEIR TIME TAKING AN EXAM FOR THIS JOKE OF A POLICE DEPT.

--------

Over $60,000 @ year after 18 months?
$80,000 with O.T., Special Employment, Holiday Pay, Duty Availability and uniform allowance?

Someone with just a GED can just walk on this job and make that kind of money?

If you don't think that's enough go work at McDonald's or Walmart and see how much you'll make punk.

With the exception of a few smaller communities in New York State and around the nation the Chicago Police Department is THE BEST PAYING POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY.


Reference:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/09/nj_police_salaries_rank_highes.html

9/29/2010 03:32:00 PM
***********************************
Nice try J-Fled, you lying sack of chicken shit. Chicago might pay their police officer's more than average. The poster that you were responding to was not complaining about their compensation. They and most other working members of the department don't like the bullshit politics and blatant corruption that permeates the department leadership. Most police officers in Chicago don't appreciate the fact that that most promotions are based on who you know or who you blow. Most also don't appreciate the two-tier system of discipline that enables the clouted to commit criminal acts with impunity while they are being promoted to the top while the non-clouted working police go to federal prison for a regrettable lapse of judgment. Most don't want to risk their livelihood, assets, or freedom by doing anything that resembles real police work because they know that the "leaders" in this department can't wait to throw them under the bus at the first sign of political trouble. I agree with the original poster. Apply for a job with a department in a place where average citizens like and support the police and appreciate their sacrifices. Find a department that promotes fairly and has leaders with spines and strong character. This is not that department.

9/30/2010 12:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is NOTHING WRONG with the exercise room at the Academy! The only thing wrong with it now, is typical City bullshit, I.E., no fucking contract to fix/repair/replace the equipment as it BREAKS DOWN. And that is a decision of the bean counters, not the CPD. That gym cost about $4 mil when it was completed, and it was great to (at that time) have a nice, clean state-of-the-art gym to work out in 24 hrs a day. More and more people use the gym, which causes more breakdowns of equipment. We don't have a maintenance contract now, so it's just a matter of time before the Homan Sq. gym will actually have better equipment THAT WORKS as opposed to the CPD Academy gym.
You'd think the city would learn from this constant 'buy it now, worry about maintenance/upkeep of it later' attitude. It just costs them a whole lot more money in the long run....

9/29/2010 10:38:00 PM

No there is a lot wrong with it. They bought all those fucking machines in the middle that nobody uses and when that shit breaks it needs to be repaired. IF they would have just bought racks, benches, weight, and heavier dumbbells instead off all that bullshit everyone would be better off. It's cheaper and more effective. The academy weight room looks like a Curves facility.

9/30/2010 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
2300? I thought Shanks and Jody said we were short about 700? Is JP Weis a liar ?

9/29/2010 01:19:00 AM

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Yes, J-Fled could also be called J-Fib

9/30/2010 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come on, join the fun. Think it over.
Leave sunny California. Good luck!

9/30/2010 01:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Sgt. Northen, most importantly on this job, you need intelligent people with sound backgrounds...even if all they got is high school. A lateral would br good too.

9/30/2010 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
IF I HAVE 300 HOURS OF COLLEGE CAN I STILL GET EVENT NUMBERS?

9/29/2010 09:44:00 AM

WOW! That might allow you to run a seatbelt mission someday!

9/30/2010 03:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think most of the CPD brass take the Wonderlic test....Oh wait they take the Wonderful-lick test...nevermind!

9/30/2010 03:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would leave California because all my family and friends are back home in Chicago. Out here It takes several hours for a simple arrest, we spend hours doing useless paperwork (you must take a report for everything), there is no cash overtime, and you are not allowed to have fun!!

Yea the weather is amazing, but thats where it ends!! Having lived all my life in Chicago and then being out here the last 2.5 years, I definitely appreciate Chicago a lot more. You cant beat the people, the culture, and the food!!

9/30/2010 03:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this job, not my job. Its not the job that sucks....Its this pathetic department and city that sucks.

9/30/2010 05:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
APRIL 1991 TO BE EXACT. THE ECONOMY WAS IN THE TANK. THE DEPARTMENT WAS SERIOULSY SHORT OF MANPOWER, RICHIE PROMISED 600 ON THE STREETS BY JUN 1992. ANYBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULDN'T WASTE THEIR TIME TAKING AN EXAM FOR THIS JOKE OF A POLICE DEPT.

9/29/2010 12:36:00 AM

Why do you use all capitol letters? You are soooo wrong. There is a huge demand for this job. I bet if the city developed a lateral program for certified officers there would be a huge application list. Despite how you slam this job, the pay and benefits are very good.

9/30/2010 05:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
how about we give education incentives like other big city depts?3,000 for bachelors, and 6,000 for masters to start!just like houston!

9/29/2010 09:32:00 PM

We have a generous tuition reimbursement program. Why offer more money to those over educated officers? Really, is college necessary to work the street. We need more military veterans to apply.

9/30/2010 05:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are also putting the Background Investigations Job out to bid so we will have a private firm doing out hiring -

9/29/2010 09:39:00 PM

Former Supt Hillard already has the contract. The City figures a civilian agency can do a better background check than it's Police Department. That says a lot.


Who cares about the college to get on. We just ended up with a bunch of whiny kids that lived with their parents until they got on the job. These kids still can't spell and think they deserve better than this job. Give me someone that worked for a living or had military experience. Make college a prerequisite for promotion.

9/30/2010 07:48:00 AM  
Anonymous SCC Fan said...

Critics will predictably object because of "adverse racial impact". No problem. If the CPD wants "diversity", pick the best and brightest in each racial group. However, under no circumstances can we hire morons. We have too many already.

9/29/2010 06:48:00 PM

Perfect post. Makes too much sense though, they'll never go for it...

9/30/2010 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

OT will FOP now challenge the residency requirement
rahmbo is considered a chicago resident , lived in dc since jan 2009 , house rented out

police officers can now purchase a home , rent it out and live in suburbs , alot closer than dc

this ruling to let him run for mayor should help us lift residency requirement

9/29/2010 08:48:00 AM


Sanding around in school doesn't make you smart any more than standing around in a garage makes you a car.

9/30/2010 08:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"I currently have 2.5 years on large California department and would love to come back home to Chicago!! Not looking forward to the winters though!!"

CALIF. LEO, Illinois does not have a POST type certification that you currently enjoy. Why would you leave the sunny climes for 9 months of crap weather? SERIOUSLY

9/29/2010 11:05:00 PM


If you are even reasonable happy in your current situation, I would recommend using Chicago as your getaway vacation spot and come for the museums, baseball, football, hockey etc.

If you really want to relocate come on down next summer and spend your 2 week vacation here and rent a room at the Amber Inn, 3901 S Michigan Ave, (773) 221-6600. spend your days strolling along 47th St, 63rd St, and sightseeing around the old Pullman area. Because if you come here to work the CPD that's where you will be working for years to come.

If you are still undeterred, come on down, they will need a replacement for me in about two years.

9/30/2010 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

this is not a job for everyone--- the city should look into hiring some layed off peace officers from other cities--- bring them into the academy for a refresher course for a couple of months and then right out onto the street--- give them a one year grace period to sell their homes and establish a chicago residence--- i'm sure we have many talented young men and women who reside in chicago and would like to pursue a career in law enforcement--- we need help right now, the districts are screaming for bodies--- any of these people hired off this new test will not hit the street and be able to handle calls for 2-3 years....

9/29/2010 08:16:00 AM

THIS WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO!

9/29/2010 09:58:00 AM


What about all the laid off police officers? Why only the layed off ones? What is a layed off person anyway?

Don't relax the education requirements, obviously with the dismal state of education on display daily on this and other blogs we need to raise the education requirements, not lower them.

And the entrance exam should be very tough with emphasis on such difficult to master tasks as writing, spelling and grammar.

University of Phoenix attendees need not apply.

If you attended an online "university" go get an online job.

9/30/2010 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok drop the college and add a age of 28 along with, you MUST have a min of 5 years continuos work history.

9/30/2010 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If ANYONE wants to Really become the police for the RIGHT reasons, go ahead and do it. do not let anyone crush your dream!! Despite all the bad comments, this is still a GREAT job. Some of the rules of the game have changed, but like anything else, you must adopt.

9/29/2010 04:29:00 PM

Adopt ????????

Did you mean Adapt ?????

You must be a merit Boss on the job !!!

9/30/2010 11:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They better stiffen up the background investigations cause way too many thugs and gang members or relatives of career criminals sneaking through the cracks. It's a sad fact so don't bark back at me for telling the truth.

9/30/2010 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get rid of JFled and that will clear up funds to hire 5 people officers

9/30/2010 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come back to Chicago. I worked in a department in Colorado for a few years and came back here to CPD because its my home. I have 12 years on now and I have had more fun than you can imagine. Do what your heart tells u to do. Despite what some posters say, I really haven't had a bad day on the job yet. Good luck bro.

9/30/2010 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
how about we give education incentives like other big city depts?3,000 for bachelors, and 6,000 for masters to start!just like houston!

9/29/2010 09:32:00 PM

We have a generous tuition reimbursement program. Why offer more money to those over educated officers? Really, is college necessary to work the street. We need more military veterans to apply.

9/30/2010 05:34:00 AM

How about not! I am a war vet,special forces E-7 pay grade pushing a beat car so fuck you kid!

9/30/2010 02:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone with just a GED can just walk on this job and make that kind of money?



Really what job do people go out of their way to kill or injury you. that's the difference. Unless your inside or a white shirt this job is DANGEROUS. You piece of dog shit.

9/30/2010 04:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1996D.still here.. LIFM

9/29/2010 06:39:00 AM


962D Maslankas Pieces of s***! One seat one ass! Ahhh the good old days! hoooorah!!

9/30/2010 04:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about not! I am a war vet,special forces E-7 pay grade pushing a beat car so fuck you kid!

9/30/2010 02:05:00 PM

If you wanted a raise because of your military pay grade then you should of stayed in the military. Or how about you just make that 37k a year here

9/30/2010 10:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to....
"Anonymous said...
Having over educated self centered goofs enter this job helped to ruin it. They cant make it it in their chosen profession so now they jump on the Police band wagon.

Some of the most stupid people I have met are educated. They have a 4 year degree in ass kissing. I remember one telling me...oh you think you can balance a budget? Wow how hard is it to lie on paper. Thats all this city does.

9/29/2010 05:19:00 AM"

yes lets mock someone for being educated. JUST BECAUSE YOU have personally run into people, who are educated that you dont like. By making a college education a requirement dosnt mean "over educated self centered goofs" will be part of that group. to classify a whole group based off a few people , which is what your doing, shows how pathetically uneducated and ignorant you are. I hope your not a fellow police officer, AS THEN YOU WOULD KNOW when one officer does something wrong we all get shit on, namely by people such as yourself who arnt educated enough to realize that one persons actions and attitudes sometimes dont reflect on a group as a whole. I remember dealing with knuckleheads like a while back when a United States Marine threw a puppy off a cliff and was caught on video, some clearly uneducated person, probably you, came up and asked how i be a part of that. my answer was simple. " Let me first start off with, your an idiot. Now was i the person in the video? NO was i there? NO. Do i even know anyone there? No? am i related in anyway? NO. So wonderful civilian of chicago, 1 persons actions out of over 100,000 marines HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME. go back to grammar school and pass 7th grade, good day sir." I dont see a problem with trying to make this profession educated. Education, ie college also helps you MATURE and grow and learn about life. what we do need is a requirement not to hire people such as yourself. but because you ran into some lame ass "accountant" you think every educated man is like that. Ill save the the trouble of applying here. go to the blueline.com and look for Naperville, Des Plaines or Evanston. you will fit perfectly in with them, trust me, oo although i think they require education too like 99% percent of the US.

now its time to pray and hope that the oral board does a good job weeding people out like this fellow and all the other idiots that will apply for this job since the economy is bad. I have soem good horror stories from friends of people he ran into a group oral boards. heres advice when the board asks you why they should hire you.......dont answer with " Because I look good in the uniform."

9/30/2010 11:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with most of the posts here, only beef I have is the age requirement is now 25 to apply. It should stay at 21. I have waited 4 years for this exam and am gonna be ineligible because I'm 24. This is fucked up.

10/01/2010 05:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'No there is a lot wrong with it. They bought all those fucking machines in the middle that nobody uses and when that shit breaks it needs to be repaired. IF they would have just bought racks, benches, weight, and heavier dumbbells instead off all that bullshit everyone would be better off. It's cheaper and more effective. The academy weight room looks like a Curves facility.'

Not true! A lot of people use those 'middle' machines...

10/01/2010 07:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Come back to Chicago. I worked in a department in Colorado for a few years and came back here to CPD because its my home. I have 12 years on now and I have had more fun than you can imagine. Do what your heart tells u to do. Despite what some posters say, I really haven't had a bad day on the job yet. Good luck bro.

9/30/2010 11:58:00 AM

signed, someone that works at either headquarters, a specialized unit, an area 3 district or other slow district.

10/01/2010 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not true! A lot of people use those 'middle' machines...

10/01/2010 07:18:00 PM

No they don't. If you compared the usage of the free weights to the middle machines it would be overwhelming in favor of the free weights. There are machines out there that are good, just not those machines. Also if they are broke for months at a time all they are doing is taking up space. Free weights don't break. The people who use those machines are those who are afraid of weights.

10/02/2010 01:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those police cadets should be on top of that hiring list... they deal with all the BS, at least they should be offered a job if they really want it.

10/02/2010 06:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the commentator that stated he was an E-7, Platoon sergeant, in special forces, I commend you. I was a vet and it takes a lot to achieve that rank, training, leadership, r esponsibility. I really think vets who had rank and police officers from other large cities should get a hand up to get on the job and a hand up for promotion. This used to be the case in Chicago when I came on the job in 1968. I got points to make the job or points to be used for one promotion. This practice stopped when the women complained that they did not have military service. I say to the women, go ahead and enlist. What is stopping you?

10/03/2010 10:52:00 AM  

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