Trash Fire
- The fire at an abandoned laundry on the South Side that claimed the lives of two Chicago firefighters was started by someone lighting wood or trash on fire.
That finding, announced by the Chicago Fire Department on Friday, fits investigators’ working theory that a homeless person trying to stay warm accidentally set the fire Wednesday morning at the rear of the building at 1744 E. 75th St.
We don't know if they should move faster on destroying these buildings so the homeless don't gather there or maybe start culling the homeless so there aren't as many starting fires that might cost fire fighters' their lives.
Truly a sad finding that brings no closure to any First Responders.
Truly a sad finding that brings no closure to any First Responders.
Labels: fire fighters
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
46 Comments:
Hunting season!
"Doe tag" - Check,
"A good Bow" - Check,
"Bumb tag" - Check,
Lets go huntin!
I want to have my first one stuffed and mounted in my living room.
Here is a solution for the homeless, let them live in the city council chambers. It would probably raise the intellectual level of the room's occupants by leaps and bounds during council meetings.
Just let bandos burn to the ground problem solved.
Just wondering if that unit the dep't just dispanded "trouble housing unit" dealt with things like this. There are so many abando's that these squaters go into and destroy that they really need people to keep an eye on these buildings and make sure they are properly boarded and such so this kind of stuff doesn't happend.
It seems to me that the building owners should still be held CRIMINALLY responsible for this one. The building was in court since 2007 for crisake! There was a FINAL ruling calling for action to be taken PRIOR TO November 1st. I don't see why there is no talk of charging the owners just like the owners of the E2 Nightclub incident. Is this not possible?
Perhaps if the dregs that started the fire had been the ones killed no one would say too much, but no way should valued public servants be lost in such a deplorable manner without SOMEONE having to be held responsible. The Dai brothers (owners) had 2 to 3 years to correct the problems they were cited for, yet did NOTHING. They claim they couldn't afford to make the necessary repairs? Then they shouldn't be owning a building. Besides, they had enough money to hire attorneys to go to housing court for them all these years and to move their business to another location down the street, why not fix the problems instead?
This incident is inexcusable ! ! !
Widespread Systematic Failures.
The Chicago Tribune has a story that there are at least 16,000 other buildings in the city in the same condition.
Why isn't the building department enforcing the code?
Of course they can try and fine the owners but with the economy in the shape it's in good luck in collecting right?
Even more foreclosures are on the way too.
So why isn't there something done to get the homeless off the streets then?
Oh well we don't want to be handing out more "government cheese" right..so we saved some money...How much is the fireman's life worth?
Yeah, I know, I know. The homeless should get a job and earn their living..heh..who's going to hire them? Who?
You could lock them up but the jails are overcrowded and that's going to cost taxpayer money too.
Better start building the warehouses for these people -- we're going to need them. Our leadership in this country is still cranking out over 500,000 people a month, adding them to the food stamp caseloads -- that's your get-a-job free market off shoring economy that we're not suppose to stand in the way of..
The city probably save money in the building dept.. by letting this go on. They probably save money on section 8 housing and welfare. They saved money on homeless shelters and maybe mental health and save money by not locking the homeless up...
How much were the fireman's lives worth? Was it worth it?
They should destroy them, and charge the owners for the demolition.
How about deporting the illegal alien homeless? Way too many Polish pissbums up in 014, 017, and 025.
To the goof saying the owners should be liable. What r u a p/i lawyer. You must have never worked where theres alot of abandoned buildings. U can board a building up 20 times and the shitheads will still get in. How is that the owners fault. Even the neighbors said the owners were on top of it. Thing is if they wanna get in they will.
There's no room for the homeless,the illegals have all the housing.....
SOLUTION:
1) Once a building enters housing court put a time limit on the proceedings;
2) Attach responsibility in the case, including the owner/corporation, and when court orders are not met or are violated, freeze the assets of the owner or the corporation AND it's CEO, with a warning that the assets of the ENTIRE Board of Directors will be frozen next;
3) Attach some responsibility to the attorney who comes to court and pleads all sorts of BS motions on behalf of the owners. These evil bastards get waaaay too much courtesy when it comes time to assessing blame.
4) Derelict properties judged to be salvageable would be sold at auction with the buyer held to the original court order to make ordered repairs in a timely manner;
5) Derelict properties with no chance of rehabilitation should be demolished with the cost of said demolition to be covered by the frozen assets and/or property liens or resale of the vacant land.
?, if someone from the building dept knew this structure was dangerous why not tell the fire dept so they could have the first due company do a walk thru of the building?
THEY STEAL GUTTER
POACH FROM OPEN GARAGES
CRAP ON SIDEWALKS
HARASS PEDESTRIAN FOR CHANGE
BREAK INTO ABANDONED BUILDINGS AND STRIP THE METALS
AND FINALLY THE START FIRES THAT INJURE FIREMEN.
YEA WE SHOULD HELP THE HOMELESS SHIP THEM TO MIAMI IT LOVELY THIS TIME OF YEAR!
Ah! To live in a DEMO city, county and state. They really know how to manage well. Excuse me,I mean steal well.
I believe there is an ordinance in the MCC that states all construction and abandon buildings must be secured or under 24 hour guard. This clearly did not occure. Charge the owners with this and continue to look for the person(s) that started the fire and charge them accordingly.
What I cant believe is the CPD never released an order to lower our city and US flag in honor of the fallen CFD members. Someone needs an ass chewing for this. Perhaps, Masters x 3?
You know a thought just occured to me, if police stations are public buildings and a "warming shelter" shouldn't all public buildings be treated the same? I love the earlier comment about let the homeless stay in the council chambers, but let's be serious, if a police station needs to be open to bums why not city hall? Why are they more deserving of tight security than any other public building?
I can understand the policy of CFD that an abandoned building has to be cleared in case "someone" is inside, but when will they stop having guys walking on the roofs of these abandoned buildings and chopping holes in the roof. Let these piece of shit structures just burn. Get in, clear it and get out. Then just squirt water on it from a distance. I never understood that technique. Probably some typical B.S. city policy to preserve property owned by political hacks at the risk of the lives of our firefighters.
Some of the buildings should be demolished because they will NEVER be inhabited. Some of Daley's guys should get the contract.
police shooting in 017.... at about 130 am, montrose/sacramento.. DUI driver tried to run over PO
Full disclosure: I have a phobia about fire.
Arsonists should be executed. even if no one dies. kill them.
Most of the homeless are severely mentally ill/substance abusers. Yes, I know that sounds like a good portion of our exempt staff, yet I'm trying to make a point.
In recent years two Chicago Police officers were killed by mentally ill people who took their weapons. It's not just firefighters at risk. It's cops and EVERYONE. Four young people were killed in a Wrigleyville fire a few years back started by a female nutjob.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-07-29/news/0807280547_1_mental-health-facility-mentally-ill-woman-wrigleyville
We need to start forcibly medicating the severely mentally ill or opening up the asylums again.
That costs money; although I suspect in the long run it would save money and certainly lives.
..."Perhaps if the dregs that started the fire had been the ones killed no one would say too much, but no way should valued public servants be lost in such a deplorable manner without SOMEONE having to be held responsible....
This incident is inexcusable ! ! !"
12/26/2010 03:05:00 AM
Let me get this right, you want to blame the Building Owner? And what about the bum that started the fire? What does he get?
Kind of like blaming the gun manufacturer, and not the idiot pulling the trigger, if you ask me.
There are THOUSANDS of abandoned buildings & homes in Chicago. Foreclosures, evictions… you name it. I understand that the owner has some responsibility to secure his structure, keep it somewhat maintained, but in today’s economy? Think about it, you want to demolish ALL of those buildings / homes?
Who do you blame for the deaths of Flisk? Wortham? Soderberg? Bailey? Is it Hi-Point? Glock? Or the asshole that pulled the trigger?
Just because the one that started the fire is a non-productive shit stain on the fabric of society doesn’t mean that they can’t be blamed!
They didn't disband troubled buildings, Downtown Ernie dumped people then replaced them with imcompetent useless po's. Hey Downtown look for another EEOC beef!!!!!!!!!!
How about charging the homeless scumbag who started the fire with an "accessory" type charge? If he/she was homeless and looking for a place to stay, how about the State of Illinois give him one, permanantely? I D O C
Well these liberal idiots will no doubt be saying we need to give these homeless bust outs accomidations with a proper space heater, down comforter and pillow so they wont have to resort to this. These are the same liberal idiots who think that teenagers are inevitibly going to have sex so we might as well hand out condoms at school and get them a hotel room and a cigarette for afterwards so they dont have to do it in the back of a car. Just watch.
To 12/26/2010 12:41:00 AM
You want to mount a bum?
The bum (s) should have experienced the cave in.
The owners should have their properties bulldozed if they fail to follow city orders.
This will create more
de-construction jobs and daley can award contracts to kenny and walsh constr. who will in turn hire daley's patronage workers who will in turn kick back to the ward bosses.
Such pointless deaths
Daley and City Supervisors are at fault for dragging their feet. Building should have been knocked down months ago. Daley is the Midas Touch in reverse.
A lot of these buildings are beyond repair. Most should be demolished
They should destroy them, and charge the owners for the demolition.
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It's likely that most of these abandoned buildings are not owned by anyone with any assets to go after.
Going after the owners is probably a lost cause although it would be a good idea to take the properties through eminent domain and tear them down and plant grass on the sites. Make them into mini parks. But this is not something that can be done for free.
Put the homeless in the abandoned buildings then tear them down.
Oh, did I say that out loud.
12/26/2010 09:28:00 AM
Anonymous said...
?, if someone from the building dept knew this structure was dangerous why not tell the fire dept so they could have the first due company do a walk thru of the building?
12/26/2010 09:29:00 AM
Fuck that! the condition of the structure should have been in OEMC's location history.
"...Just because the one that started the fire is a non-productive shit stain on the fabric of society doesn’t mean that they can’t be blamed!"
12/26/2010 11:49:00 AM
Reading is a skill.
NOTHING in what I said indicated the fire starter should not be charged. I stand by what I said, that the owners ALSO should be held responsible. Just because you hire a shyster lawyer, does not absolve you of the responsibility of maintaining the property SINCE 2007!!!
I don't have one iota of sympathy for the owners!
There wouldn't be any abandoned commercial buildings if Daley Inc didn't tax the ever-loving shit out of the businesses throughout the city, forcing them to retreat to the suburbs or out of state for the past 30-40 years. There wouldn't be any vacant residential buildings if there were people working in those small & mid sized businesses that weren't forced to pay head taxes and high income taxes. If there were people working in those factories, they'd be housed, paying taxes and supporting their neighborhoods. Instead we have crime ridden Daley Slums sprouting up. Santuaries for nuts, derelicts, perverts, illegal aliens, and thugs.
How much does this city pay out to the homeless outreach centers who refuse to help? Which Daley friends sit on those boards? In 25 years of Daley Inc., has anything improved, besides the increased funding, with the skyrocketing homeless population?
Lives destroyed by the hard work of the Democratic Party of Chicago and the State of Illinois.
The pissbum contingency, dead or alive, unknowingly still votes democratic from those abandoned buildings, the slums of Chicago are what keeps this city & state Democratic. Ain't that so, Gov'na ?
Was it ever disclosed what exactly was destroyed in the fire at the County building storage room a few years ago?
Rubbish. This whole city stinks of it.
Thanks to our CPD brothers for all of the help during the collapse and for the PO's standing guard at the site of the collapse 24/7 watching over the building and Corey's and Ed's memorial.
THANK YOU and please stay safe.......
CFD Batt 23 FF
TO: What I cant believe is the CPD never released an order to lower our city and US flag in honor of the fallen CFD members. Someone needs an ass chewing for this. Perhaps, Masters x 3?
They wouldn't even send people out to the districts to lower the flags because they are locked and the engineer from General Services was bust trying to get heat in a library after hours.... F-That, call someone in and get it done IMMEDIATELY.....
Yet you supercops constantly diss the "quality of life" arrests. Who do you think drinks and pisses in the streets; panhandles and abuses the citizenry; carries the crack pipe and the 1 bag; and starts fires in abandoned buildings? Lock these fucks up when you can and they won't have an opportunity to do evil. Crime is crime. And now 2 firemen are dead over a simple trespass by piss-bums.
Questionable buildings should be flagged!
12/26/2010 11:04:00 AM
" ...but when will they stop having guys walking on the roofs of these abandoned buildings and chopping holes in the roof.".....
Obviously written by someone who never has been inside a burning building.....smoke builds up in a building to the point that it nearly reaches the floor....it isn't just saunter in, look around and leave, jagoff
By the way, smoke is FUEL for a fire.....when they chop holes in the roof it lifts the smoke level inside AND removes the fuel for the fire.....
(contrary to popular belief, solids do not burn....they're turned into flammable gasses through pyrolization)
Roust the pissbums every chance you get. Those assholes are responsible for more bullshit in the way of theft, vandalism, arsons, muggings, accosting decent people, rapes, robberies, etc than any other group.
"it isn't just saunter in, look around and leave, jagoff
By the way, smoke is FUEL for a fire.....when they chop holes in the roof it lifts the smoke level inside AND removes the fuel for the fire.....
(contrary to popular belief, solids do not burn....they're turned into flammable gasses through pyrolization)"
Thanks for the lesson in Fire Science 101 BOSS, but I give a shit!!! Once the building is deemed empty... GET OFF THE F*CKING ROOF!!!! You truly are a political hack BOSS! I can see you now at the scene screaming orders through a bull horn from a safe distance of course... "get up on that roof men and chop holes!!! This structure can still be saved!!!!
More and more, Homeless are beginning to look an awful lot like me. Normal clothing, if a bit worn and rumpled. No shopping carts, just a backpack apiece and a small lunch cooler. I wonder how much of the city is a check or two from Homelessness.
Firemen search buildings for people the way we search cars and bodies for guns. Are we EVER satisfied when someone says "I just searched him/her/it it's all clear." I remember wanting to jump out of my skin waiting for my Sgt. to leave the room so I could search them all again! It's what we do. It's what they do. Sometimes something isn't anybodys fault. Sometimes something just is.
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