New Light Duty Order
This came out Friday, but we didn't want to cover it as we don't do heavy traffic on the weekends. From the comment sections:
- New order is out today. The department isued new rules for light and limited duty status. Officers will have to actually apply and submit documents to the medical section to prove why they deserve light duty status. About time that standards are set to eliminate the fakers on this job. If a officer is legitimately recovering or has a actual injury then let him/her recover. But to be on light duty for years is bullshit. This will force more old timers to retire and the fakers will be exposed. It is too easy to obtain a light duty status for the CPD.
This was a losing proposition from the word go. Any employer (municipality) that has gone to court to contest "light duty" status has won. And in most cases, won big. We recall that the previous FOP administration was in negotiations with the city to come up with a solid number of light duty spots that would be filled "as needed." This would have guaranteed "x" number of spots to be held for cardiac cases, cancer patients, long term medical issue officers who could provide proof of illness. It would also prevent a knowledge drain from officers having to leave the Department due to medical conditions that are, in many cases, curable or solvable.
Does anyone know if FOP negotiated a final number? We don't doubt for a minute there are abuses out there. But there's no reason we can't find a spot for a copper serving out his/her term while fighting a long term illness.
Does anyone know if FOP negotiated a final number? We don't doubt for a minute there are abuses out there. But there's no reason we can't find a spot for a copper serving out his/her term while fighting a long term illness.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
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Will the city end the paid maternity leave for women?
good bye all the "bad back" fakers.
SCC, did you mean to say any 'employer' who went to court to challenge light duty status, or did you mean any 'employee'?
FAKERS??????? What do you mean FAKERS??????? There are no FAKERS in this department!!!!!! ;)
i hope that the young healthy officer who knows all the answers expounded upon and shared with us his opinions of those on light duty remains young and healthy for a long time
Many of us were once young and healthy and took for granted that we would stay that way.
Mother Nature throws us a curve once in awhile. She also comes high and inside with the chin music too.
Hope you can handle it kid
"New order is out today. The department isued new rules for light and limited duty status. Officers will have to actually apply and submit documents to the medical section to prove why they deserve light duty status. About time that standards are set to eliminate the fakers on this job. If a officer is legitimately recovering or has a actual injury then let him/her recover. But to be on light duty for years is bullshit. This will force more old timers to retire and the fakers will be exposed. It is too easy to obtain a light duty status for the CPD."
-Sounds like you're happy about this order coming out sport. Great. I hope that one day when you get married and have a family, lots of children going to private schools, house payments for a house that is 'underwater' and you owe more then it's worth. Lets say that you have invested over ten years of your life and done tons of supercop stuff. You're the 'real police' with tons of bolo badges that tells others what a stand up person you are.
One day, boom...the hammer falls, car accident, chronic illness or some other catastrophic life changing event. You are now sucking big-time. What do you do about what is going on with you? Doctors can only do so much. How are you going to take care of all your responsibilities? What's going to happen to everything you busted your butt for?
Damn...you were so happy that the current medical policy were taken away. But wait, you're really sick, you're sure that the bosses and the mayor and city have your back. Heck, now that it's happening to you, who the hell are these other cops that are saying that you're a faker? Man, they want to boot you out into the street, kick you to the curb, if you can't recover to full status within a certain time.
What are you going to do? You don't have enough time for a pension or you're very close but will not get there. You know that nobody will hire you. Are you ready to move into 'Section 8'? Get you a 'Link' card? Have your kids start going to Public schools? You will certainly lose the house, the car and maybe the dog.
You hoped that they changed the current system to a fair and harder system and are finding that the city really isn't looking out for you after all. Oh well, you have a lot of free time to think about this now while you wait at County for your healthcare.
Pray that you never get old, never get injured or never get sick. God Bless.
This is nice. Pick on the weaker officers, segregate them and have everyone make them villains. When we can't take care of our own then they've won.
There are definitely abuses of the system.
We used to have a F/2 in 009 who was convalescent duty for several years. She said she suffered a "catastrophic" knee injury while performing her duties as a bike officer.
Just watching her would show that this was bullshit. She was in extremely good shape and would work out, while on duty working in front office, like a Pilates instructor. The stuff she would do would be impossible for someone with a "catastrophic" knee injury.
Because she was convalescent duty they took extremely good care of her. They created a spot in front office for her and gave her weekends off. She eventually went to HQ where she was working in soft clothes again with weekends off. This has been going on for years. Where's her incentive to return to full duty? Someone like her has to be exposed for what she is a bullshitter playing the system.
The system , as it is currently, is ripe for abuse. I'm all for this.
excellent now if they violated
the policy they should be fired for
falsifying documentation period. the light duties officers should be sent to a physician assigned by the police department. glad to hear finally these lazy people can be exposed for the fake that they are .
So, what happens if light duty is denied?
The Pension Board should hire qualified investigators to go after the fakers on "Duty Disability" and when they identify them refer the cases to the SAO and the US Attorney for prosecution!
OT: Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy is exploring the politically volatile idea of closing district police stations to save millions and free scores of officers for street duty.
I don't understand what a officer's educational background has to do with limited duty status.
What about the people who really need light duty but are denied? Will there be an appeal process? And if they designate a certain numer of spots, you can guarantee someone legit will be denied.
I'm thinking of a copper I know who was in a car accident years ago and still has to go to therapy for his knee.
Thank God I'm full duty, but down the road, how can you know what might happen?
OT--
In the paper this weekend, violent crime was down 12% across the country, confounding researchers--so JPutz taking credit for crime reduction is a bunch of crap, now backed up by cold hard numbers.
Why the need to fill out a form? Their is no reason a Police Officer who is on the medical, IOD or not, who is ambulatory, can leave their house at will, able to walk or drive can't work the desk or answer the phones. They sit at home collecting a full paycheck when they can be working in a light duty position.
Posted at Rahm's website for comment
www.chicagobudget.org
OK, that's a start. Now lets pirouette over to city hall with this light duty cross check TD.
The military don't keep light duty troops so why should the police? Never hear of any physical job keeping workers who can't do the job no more. Trim the fat and useless.....
hey callback coppers move over let the big dog in the soper should be coming soon after the domestic at his house in 016, bullshit just like when the commander from 011 Penny was facing her domestic shit and spent maybe a week at callback ranks does have its priviges and fuck the poor blueshirts
9/18/2011 09:11:00 PM
Let's put this one to rest. Either come up with some facts, or it's bullshit.
Anonymous said...
This is nice. Pick on the weaker officers, segregate them and have everyone make them villains. When we can't take care of our own then they've won.
9/19/2011 01:57:00 AM
If there weren't so many fakers and scammers then this wouldn't have happened. Blame them.
And if you're only a year or so from retirement and have to leave
the job for reasons of health, don't look for the City to "bridge"
that one year for you.
Well, I have mixed feelings on this....I do think that the medical/light duty/disability structure needs some SERIOUS revamping to avoid abuse. I also feel those same protections should be kept in place to help officers in need. I think that maybe the Department's efforts would be better directed at expanding the Medical Integrity Unit to weed out the abusers and punish them accordingly. I think the FOP's proposal to allocate a certain number of spots is just asking for trouble (20% mangament clout babies anyone?) and would ultimately leave legitmate cases locked out because the limited number of spots would inevitably go to certain "chosen" people. I have someone on light duty in my unit who answers phones. She constantly complians how shes stuck at the desk and stuck inside the building. Like I really care! You would think that after five years she would either suck it up and get back to work or find another employer or, at least, stop whining to the rest of us who actually have to do the job we were hired to do.
I am on limited duty...a faker? No! I worked hard on the job, paid my dues many times over, and then I get slapped with a lasting disease that has caused vision problems along with many others and one that can possibly kill me.
Yes there are many "fakers" but the ones of us who need light, limited, restricted, and convalescent duties, do have documentation for it. I have to show proof every 3 months. No problem since I HAVE to have blood work done every three months. The medical section puts us through the damn ringer. Some do fall through the cracks but most of us do not! Come down to 376 and watch us try to walk, try to see, try not to fall from pain and still do the job we are expected to do. So go bitch about us, take our medical as we know it away. As one poster said "watch what you wish for" because you too will get old one day.
As for the "letter" that the dept. expects us to sign [ a very threatening one]....means they can take a southsider and throw them far North and a northsider far south. Any watch, any day! Jerk us all around.
Try sticking together people.
Yes, get the "fakers" and the abusers but leave the real "ill" alone.
I put in my retirement papers for 2012 knowing that I am not 100% and need the damn rest and lack of stress for me to maintain somewhat of a decent life.
The dept is trying to divide us and turn on each other. You young ones better watch them. They are ruining this dept. Fight for yourselves and not against each other.
No final number.
Anonymous said...
SCC, did you mean to say any 'employer' who went to court to challenge light duty status, or did you mean any 'employee'?
9/19/2011 12:34:00 AM
Police unions who went to court to challenge their department's light duty policy have lost it totally. We were in the midst of negotiating for several hundred spots here when the whole contract went to arbitration, poof went light duty talks.
That does not include IOD light duty or heart attack stuff.
Good question for the FOP General Meeting tomorrow at 1900 hours.
Anonymous said...
I don't understand what a officer's educational background has to do with limited duty status.
9/19/2011 05:38:00 AM
Who their clout is is much more important. Good strong clout is smarter so go to school and get some clout.
The F/2 from 009 would probably love to be on the street. She's a very aggressive officer. I know bc I worked with her on 1st watch for many years. Did you?
Maybe she only has a certain percentage of her knee working. I know she's had a few surgeries on it. She's probably just listening to her doctors or who knows, maybe awaiting another surgery. I remember she told me what happened, but I forgot.
I was as surprised as you to see her light duty. It must suck for her bc she really loves this job. And who the hell wants to go from bike unit secretary to 009 front office to HDQ? Sounds like it would be easier to be on the street.
Anonymous said...
So, what happens if light duty is denied?
9/19/2011 04:37:00 AM
You go back to work full duty or retire or resign or are pushed off. Unless you were smart enough to have the right momma and papa.
MB 017 is shitting in her pants!!
it's over, yes some people are abusers but,thats it i will do nothing!
You know what irritates me more than any "faker?". It's the fact that officers are ready,willing and able to throw each other under the bus without a reason. I'm almost twenty years on now, have seen a lot of crap, worked with some very good officers and some not so good ones but we are all police officers. Are you going to tell me that you would not come to the aid of a "dog" if he/she was getting thrift arse kicked?
If you answered yes then seek other employment or go see a doctor for your enlarged ego and "me" blindspot.
Remember. We are a family and even though you may not like some of your siblings, You have a responsibility to help the weaker officers survive.
STOP THINKING ABOUT ONLY YOU AND CONSIDER YOUR TEAM. IF NOT THEN LABEL YOURSELF AS A "FAKER".
go out there and wright all those tickets and make all those arrests! you are all the best of the best!
oh by the way, be sure to put your lipstick on and bend over, there is no lube for you either!! Screw this city and the idiots that are running it.
Good news , many officers injured off duty and want to spend career behind a desk . Ever notice these desk jockeys have more war stories than a 20 year officer.
Put them on disability or rehire them as civilians for half the pay.
End of story . Hired to work a beat car , not push paper all day with week ends off.
Anonymous said...
I don't understand what a officer's educational background has to do with limited duty status.
9/19/2011 05:38:00 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Your experience running different computer programs I can understand so they can maybe use your skills in an appropriate venue. But education? That's asinine. Having a high school education but 28 yrs on the street means nothing??
nobody can be promoted if they are on light or limited duty--- as soon as the promotions come up some of these dogs who have been light duty for years are miraculously cured and promoted--- a few months later they are back on light duty--- blatant abuse right there but the medical integrity unit doesn't investigate those people--- they are to busy harassing officers with legit iod's and people out in front of their houses shoveling snow off of their sidewalks....
I love all the salty ones on here acting as if this is a bad thing. First and foremost, illness/debilitating injuries are not an automatic on this job. Hate to break it to you, but if you take care of yourself physically, as well as emotionally you can reduce your risk of these to near zero. NUMEROUS studies back me on that! Now I understand that there are some things that are unavoidable, but if an injury/illness were legit, then all one would need is documentation. No one is saying light duty would be eliminated...just reduced for those who NEED it, not WANT it. There is a really bad sense of entitlement on this job, and the symptoms get worse with seniority. I have 20 years on this November...I dont smoke, I stopped drinking a decade ago, I work out moderately every day, I eat well and try to engage in other healthy habits. I have worked in 002 (old school deuce) 021, 011, 015, gangs south AND north and am now for the past 5 years in Area 1. And guess what? No illness, No injury.... I agree with this policy as I have seen way too many abuses in the past 20 years of the medical system. If you dont like your job, leave. There is surely someone who would love to have it. If you feel you are entitled to a cush inside light duty spot simply because you have time on and made a few arrests 15 years ago, GET OVER IT! No one owes you anything!
Anonymous said...
The Pension Board should hire qualified investigators to go after the fakers on "Duty Disability" and when they identify them refer the cases to the SAO and the US Attorney for prosecution!
9/19/2011 04:59:00 AM
Huge problem! Once they achieve duty or ordinary disability, they're never looked at again. They can live anywhere in the world and collect a monthly check while working another job full time.
Is it wrong for the employer to ask for a medical justification before awarding light or limited duty? Then require a update every 6 months? If the officer is recovering from a serious illness or injury then so be it. But I have watched light duty officers exercise and participate in sport activities after work. You cannot have it both ways. To play volleyball or hockey and still be light duty? Set the standards and weed out the bullshit claims. Demand proof.
perhaps FOP could look into group rates for disability insurance.
Sure there are some real cases that warrant light duty, but we all know plenty of cases that are absolute bullshit. One guy is on light duty because he had his hand holding a cigar out the window of his squad when a car brushed against his arm. For the next 20 yrs. he's on light duty and he was never the police. Another copper was thrown out of the military for his back and knee; he comes on our job and claims an IOD now at the ripe old age of 44, for his back, he's on disability/pension for the next 19 yrs. Then there is the woman who claimed she had a bad back,IOD, in addition to a sexuual harassment beef, she too went on a full disability. When she got married they have video of her dancing on a table! All of these slugs are draining or will be draining our pension. The City has for too long let these people get away with it at the expense of everyone else. Get them all, and it has nothing to do with solidarity. These slugs were never the police they saw this job as an entitlement to rip off. Get every one of them and prosecute them for fraud.
Too bad they didn't come out with this while J-Fled was still running things. Under 'mental incapacity,' he still could be collecting a check for years to come!
311 has some abusers, back injuries, headaches, migranes, kiss asses, phone calls get them right in the door.
Does anyone know what President Shields is doing besides collecting a pay check? When will FOP come out with some detailed info on this?
Wow, this is a lot of change coming from a guy who supposedly doesn't even "have a contract" with the Chicago Police Department.
why are we picking on the injured when there are 3 SGTs in the academy teaching leadership? a waste of $$$$$ and there aren't enough sgts in the dists.
well, I do know a few guys who deserve light duty because they legitimatly have conditions that are life threatening... however, to the mutts and dogas*es on this job who are just scamming the system you can all f*ck off. Hopefully ill be seeing you pushing that beat car soon. signed, hater.
To 0147 am. BULLSEYE!! You nailed it.
I hope that one day when you get married and have a family, lots of children going to private schools, house payments for a house that is 'underwater' and you owe more then it's worth. Lets say that you have invested over ten years of your life and done tons of supercop stuff. You're the 'real police' with tons of bolo badges that tells others what a stand up person you are.
One day, boom...the hammer falls, car accident, chronic illness or some other catastrophic life changing event. You are now sucking big-time. What do you do about what is going on with you? Doctors can only do so much. How are you going to take care of all your responsibilities? What's going to happen to everything you busted your butt for?
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Bad stuff happens. It does not mean that light duty is the answer. It is not the fault of the city that an employee is over extended financially.
Someone who can no longer perform police work because of his/her physical (or emotional or other) condition needs to get out of police work, just like anyone else who can no longer perform the requirements of any job has to leave it.
Long term disability of this kind needs to be handled like a long term disability situation and not by creating some spot the guy can sit at and collect a paycheck until his/her pension kicks in.
Light duty can be an appropriate answer to a temporary problem.
Everything that this administration is doing is not to expose the fakers, but to take away everything from deserving officers. Take away the Medical, the Light Duty Status , and close district stations. Be afraid, be very afraid - you are about to lose it all. If you are young, this will all come upon you and you will rue the day you cheered this administration on.
I just copy and pasted 01.47 with respects and will remember it allways.
If you don't take heed they will destroy you, your family, your friends, your fortunes and our future.
IT'S Massda or the 300 Spartans soon if we don't act NOW!
As you let go of more and more, the City will take and take. You will get the job that you deserve.
Excuse me! excuse me SCC, why would you feel that "Fakers and Old timers" are some what related?
" the light duties officers should be sent to a physician assigned by the police department. glad to hear finally these lazy people can be exposed for the fake that they are."
9/19/2011 04:10:00 AM
Yeah, let's go back to having a department assigned physician to assess our medical conditions. I remember the dept assigned physician that was at the medical section back in the 80's. You'd go in to see him after you've just had rotor cuff surgery, or some other major surgery and he'd give you two days for 2 weeks of rehab. He knew soooo much because he was PODIATRIST!!!. The department will hire the cheapest hag they can get.
You must be one of the under 10 yr wonders. For the past 32years our medical benefits have been a hot spot in our contract negotiations.
If we give up on any one benefit the city will take them all.
Right now you're young and healthy but there is no stopping your body from aging and failing. You will need the medical benefits in the future, don't give them up.
I agree that there are those that abuse the benefits that we fought for and they need to be brought to light. The Medical Integrity Section should be the place where this is addressed, not in the media. We have fought for our Medical benefits DON'T GIVE THEM UP.
no no no no dis kant be happeneen
This is nothing new, they've been doing this for sometime now. Everybody who is either on limited duty or convalescent duty has to submit medical documentation to the medical section stating the reason for being placed in either status. It's then reviewed/challenged for approval or not by the medical section's doctor. Lately the medical section has been sending officers out for functional capacity evaluations and independent medical evaluations. I should know, I had to go limited duty after car chase ended with me having a 6 hour spine fusion and and a parting gifts of surgical hardware, having to damn near learn how to walk again and pain.
Be careful what you ask for because I was one of those officers who complained about "medical abusers" and "fakers". Karma's a bitch.
I'm all for the "fakers" being exposed for who they are.
But, what if the city has the officers that are legit light duty status bring in all their paper work that states they indeed cannot perform the regular day to day tasks of a police officer and then uses that info to fire them!
They can say - look, the officer himself says he cannot perform the duties, why should we continue to pay him full pay when all he his is a secretary with a gun.
I think the union needs to get something in the contract so a situation like that doesn't happen.
Dont do shit you wont be taken care of down the road this whole dept is BS
Four words... Americans With Disabilities Act. I see a class action suit brewing...
They had a guy now retired in A2, who wormed his way from school patrol to Y.O. then Det. without ever taking a test and working the street ore than a minute. Another one on restricted duty but could do everything outside the building. Just a paper - shuffler, phone answerer for 80k+ a year, with a D2A pension, and never ANY policework ever done. CPD=OOC [out of control] Pay-to-Play, the Democrat way, All that matters..
Finally they'll accept my permanent damage and I can go on disability instead of having to go through all the bullshit. Having the department tell me I can work light duty only to be fucked with because I'm taking up a spot a clout one could have been placed at this is all bs. I'll take disability on my IOD.
Pray that you never get old, never get injured or never get sick. God Bless.
9/19/2011 01:47:00 AM
they'd have better luck praying for the easter bunny to give them a blow job.
Every District /Unit has their share of chronic Light Duty fakes. It's about time for the reform. However Im sure the witch doctors, quacks, & shamen will be busy the next few months writing up those notes for the Medical Section.
These slugs should be glad they had it so good for years, so long as the City doesn't demand back pay for the Duty Availability pay they received.
Next comes the 12 Sick Days a year for the new contract.
Will or did the CFD get the same policy change?
MSS has been doing this for a year now. They hired a dr to review your med case and the dr calls and strong arms your dr and tries to get you back to work as soon as possible. If your dr challenges the MSS dr then the dept can't do shit about you being pulled off of limited duty or going back to work. For those of you bitching about back injuries and abusers of the system I pray that you never injury you back or come down with a chronic illness. I believe that abusers should be prevented from using the system but I don't think the dept has a right to strong arm any dr into forcing you to go back to work if that means you are going to be a risk to officer safety. I for one would not want to work with someone with a bad back forced to return to full duty. Chances are the officer will not be able to take care of himself or his partner. I see the city paying out of pocket for sending the wrong person back to full duty. I just takes one example to begin a class action and the dr working at MSS is not even a practicing dr., she is a gen practice dr.that is not even treating anyone. She does not have much experience other than school.
I've walked off injuries for years, sometimes for weeks, sometimes for months. With the help of a good watch commander who knew I didn't really want to go on the medical. But believe me, if you really need to recover from a real medical problem after years of service, you should not have to be worried about Police Dept. sticking it to you. Talk to any back Doctor and you'll find out that over the long haul, with all of the stuff on your waist, weight of the belt, cuffs, gun, taser, flashlight, and your vest, year in, year out, you're going to have some back problems. And when one of your legs starts to loose feeling, it's all a part of that stuff, everyday on your back. When I was young i didn't know or understand. You think you can live forever, you think retirement is a 100 light years away. Your day will come. I've been there. Not that I'm a big fan of the union or the job that they have done protecting the PO's over the years, but talk to any retired PO's before there was a union or contracts, and the stuff that the city and supervisors could pull, unbelievable! Wake up people! They're trying to take back everything that was fought for! To those whom have abused the medical and the city can prove it, they should fire your asses! YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM! You've messed it for those whom really need it! To those whom really need the time to recover or deal with illness, GIVE IT TO THEM! NO MATTER WHAT DISTRICT YOU WORK IN, IF YOU WORK THE STREET, YOU LAY YOU LIFE ON THE LINE, EVERYDAY. PO'S GET SHOT, AND SOMETIMES KILLED IN EVERY DISTRICT, ON EVERY WATCH! Sometimes, to your surprise, citizens say "thank you". Most of the time, they take you for granted. The mayor and a lot of others want to treat you as a number once again. Next calling number 74!
well it's about time the city gets the dead ass's out on the street, even the one's who are not sick. There is a female in 001 who has been on the desk on 3rd watch for yrs & yrs. She claims she can't work the streets cause she has kids! She's a mother. WHAT??? Then no guys should work the street after all their fathers, what is something happens to them??
This is something that has been in the works for some time, since the negotiations for the last contract. At that time the city was looking to eliminate all Non-IOD limited duty positions by giving those officers a set limit of time for getting backed to full duty status or apply for disability. The FOP knew that fighting this in court was not a wise choice as other municipalities had won in court over eliminating not just Non-IOD limited duty, but IOD related limited duty status. ( I'm thinking it was Cincinnati, or some other city in Ohio, and some smaller places). I was paying close attention to what was going on with the FOP negotiations with the city over this issue since I was on Non-IOD limited duty status as a result of having been struck by a car in 2006 which left me with a busted up knee. Every year I had to submit paperwork from my orthopedic doctor detailing the extent of my injuries and the physical limitations I had to the Medical Section for approval. As it turned out, I retired just as the contract was settled, so I wasn't going to be affected by any new changes in policy. I don't think this was ever fully worked out between FOP and the city since nothing was said about this issue at the time that the latest contract was settled in 2010.
Based on what I've read on the FOP website and from the application form that must now be filled out, it appears that the city will keep the limited duty status, but only if approved by the Medical Section (as it was before). Also, they seem to want to have control over where officers in this status will be assigned. Changing hours, places of assignment, change of duties, etc. This may be the price that would have to be paid if you need to go into this status at some point during your career. The FOP has already filed a grievance concerning this change in policy.
I'm fortunate to have already retired and won't have to go thru all the BS. I feel bad for all the legitimate limited duty status officers who will be jumping thru these hoops while the grievance is settled. You never know what may happen, either on or off duty that could affect your working status. I know I never planned on getting whacked by a car. My family and I were releaved that I was still able to work with a minimum of hassles for the few years I had left before I retired.
Det. Chuck Gorski, Retired
Go after the fakers and disability abusers. We can no longer absorb or tolerate their illigimate absence.
This job is like playing in the NFL...when healty and contributing we are fine. Once hurt and no longer contribute in the same fashion they will kick you to the curb!
.....see its the same, MINUS the Million dollar salaries/signing bounus and pension after a few years.
Other than that its the same.
Hell no we won't go! Hell no we won't go! : D
The only problem I have with this new order is that it won't stop at solving the problem of cops getting light duty when they don't deserve it. The Evil Cabal on the 5th floor will look for ways just to get rid of anyone they can't put on the street. Hizzoner wants to bring this dept. down to 9 or 10 thousand cops. Maybe more. Not hiring is not good enough for him. When I see scores of six figure useless desk jockeys in City Hall being let go then I might think this is all half ass legit. Won't happen!
There are definitely abuses of the system.
We used to have a F/2 in 009 who was convalescent duty for several years. She said she suffered a "catastrophic" knee injury while performing her duties as a bike officer.
Just watching her would show that this was bullshit. She was in extremely good shape and would work out, while on duty working in front office, like a Pilates instructor. The stuff she would do would be impossible for someone with a "catastrophic" knee injury.
Because she was convalescent duty they took extremely good care of her. They created a spot in front office for her and gave her weekends off. She eventually went to HQ where she was working in soft clothes again with weekends off. This has been going on for years. Where's her incentive to return to full duty? Someone like her has to be exposed for what she is a bullshitter playing the system.
The system , as it is currently, is ripe for abuse. I'm all for this.
First, I'm not for anyone abusing the system. What is worse is an officer coming on the blog and pointing out another officer. Shut your mouth and move on. I'm sure there is someone else you can rat on.
excellent now if they violated
the policy they should be fired for
falsifying documentation period. the light duties officers should be sent to a physician assigned by the police department. glad to hear finally these lazy people can be exposed for the fake that they are .
Sure why dont we let them make us go to a doctor provided by the CPD for all of our medical needs. Maybe we should just throw out the entire contract and accept whatever police headquarters says and downtown. Better yet lets throw out everything we have negotiated for and start from the beginning again. YOUR AN IDIOT !!!
The Pension Board should hire qualified investigators to go after the fakers on "Duty Disability" and when they identify them refer the cases to the SAO and the US Attorney for prosecution!
RAHM get off the blog !
I know the person who wrote this should take some time to get educated with the english language.
Jesus, I couldn`t imagine being stuck in the holocaust with some of you people. You would be turning everyone in left and right. No one sticks together. How sad. When that bad back (which is caused by our job) strikes you, will it then be a different story?
Clout will still keep the officers who have a phone call on limited duty and assigned to where they want and the ones without it will get the shaft
What a bunch of fools you are. Just as with the medical abusers, the percentage of people who are scamming on limited duty status is about 1%-5% max.
I promise you if you asked anyone who knew me back in the day, they would have accused me of being too aggressive. I took shit for it all the time but I wanted to be the so called "real police". I was devastated when I was diagnosed with a heart issue. I had to leave a partner I worked with for over ten years because I could no longer fight the fight.
I've got news for some of you people who are lumping us all together, a percentage of you are going to run into health issues that limit your ability to perform all of your current duties and you are going to be forced out.
I am close to retirement so I am fortunate I guess but I am concerned for those left behind who are under the false impression that they are young and will be forever.
I am the first to agree that they should weed out those who are less than honest with respect to their limitations but I promise you, you will regret what you are calling for later on.
It goes back to the old adage, be careful what you wish for...You just might get it.
Excuse me! excuse me SCC, why would you feel that "Fakers and Old timers" are some what related?
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We don't. And we never said it. You see that little thing called an "indent"? With the bullet point? That's called a "paragraph."
And the line immediately preceding the paragraph that says, "From the comments section"? It means we quoted something that others put up.
So how about instead of accusing us of something that was never said or typed or thought by us, you ask yourself "Is a basic reading comprehension course and a fifth grade education something I ought to look into?"
3: 13 am, why are you so hung up on that f/2 in the 09 district. Who cares! That is your opinion, your not her doctor. Im hoping to G-d, your never injured, chronically or terminally ill, because, we can just as easily call you a bullshitter. Sounds like she rejected your advances, told you to go F#@k yourself and now your crying like a little girl. The medical, though some, to little, may abuse it, is needed. Obviously you never fell down the stairs w/ an offender, flipped over the bike while on patrol, pushed thru a second floor railing in a domestic, or had an offender kick or punch you while your trying to affect an arrest. No, your Wolverine, with bones made of trillium and you would prefer all us mere mortals get no help, from the department, but be put on SSI/disability. Oh, wait a minute, we dont get Social security. Just because a few might be bucking the system, the system is not broken.
Anonymous said...
The military don't keep light duty troops so why should the police? Never hear of any physical job keeping workers who can't do the job no more. Trim the fat and useless.....
9/19/2011 07:57:00 AM
Actually, the military does keep many of its "light duty" personnel until it is time for them to muster out!
I know of two that had injuries and one was sent to work in a mailroom the other at an admin. job.
9/19/2011 01:47:00 AM
If you'd have paid attention...the comment was that the Fakers would be Caught.
Not those that legit when they use it.
Jaggoff
So, what happens if light duty is denied?
9/19/2011 04:37:00 AM
Return to Full duty....Or Medical Retirement as % pay I believe.
Check the Contract...we CBA to do it for you.
9/19/2011 04:59:00 AM
Nope....The FOP should be required to do it.
"You know what irritates me more than any "faker?". It's the fact that officers are ready,willing and able to throw each other under the bus without a reason."
Hi...you must be new to the Department and this City.
CPD officers will throw just about anyone under a bus or train to keep "theirs" and they will then Brag about it after a few shots at Cork & Kerry on 33rd/Princeton.
Anonymous said...
This job is like playing in the NFL...when healty and contributing we are fine. Once hurt and no longer contribute in the same fashion they will kick you to the curb!
.....see its the same, MINUS the Million dollar salaries/signing bounus and pension after a few years.
Other than that its the same.
9/19/2011 01:35:00 PM
It's actually quite different. The fakers are blowing it for the rest of us.
First, I'm not for anyone abusing the system. What is worse is an officer coming on the blog and pointing out another officer. Shut your mouth and move on. I'm sure there is someone else you can rat on.
9/19/2011 02:27:00 PM
If she's faking it she deserves to be outed. You're part of the problem if she's scamming the system and you're defending her.
Will the city end the paid maternity leave for women?
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Never. I repeat, never. They will also never allow paid leave for Dads. Men aren't involved, right?
Very unfair.
Anonymous said...
why are we picking on the injured when there are 3 SGTs in the academy teaching leadership? a waste of $$$$$ and there aren't enough sgts in the dists.
9/19/2011 10:24:00 AM
Bullshit. Get your facts straight. The new and only priority is riot training for G-8. The majority of the academy staff is assigned to the around the clock riot training at different locations. You sound very bitter.
Excuse me! excuse me SCC, why would you feel that "Fakers and Old timers" are some what related?
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We don't. And we never said it. You see that little thing called an "indent"? With the bullet point? That's called a "paragraph."
And the line immediately preceding the paragraph that says, "From the comments section"? It means we quoted something that others put up.
So how about instead of accusing us of something that was never said or typed or thought by us, you ask yourself "Is a basic reading comprehension course and a fifth grade education something I ought to look into?"
9/19/2011 04:18:00 PM
Ooooooh, SCC! I love it when you're rough! :P
OT. Does anyone know how long it takes for an officer to be terminated for living outside the city? And how does IAD pick the ones they investigate? Cops are safe to live outside the city with the amount of time it takes for the investigation, another wasted unit.
Hello??!! How about the P.O.'s at the medical section who are supposedly light duty who have been there for years...do you think they will have to go back on the street? Clean up that house first....
( I'm thinking it was Cincinnati, or some other city in Ohio, and some smaller places). I was paying close attention to what was going on with the FOP negotiations with the city over this issue since I was on Non-IOD limited duty status as a result of having been struck by a car in 2006 which left me with a busted up knee. Every year I had to submit paperwork from my orthopedic doctor detailing the extent of my injuries and the physical limitations I had to the Medical Section for approval. As it turned out, I retired just as the contract was settled, so I wasn't going to be affected by any new changes in policy. I don't think this was ever fully worked out between FOP and the city since nothing was said about this issue at the time that the latest contract was settled in 2010.
Based on what I've read on the FOP website and from the application form that must now be filled out, it appears that the city will keep the limited duty status, but only if approved by the Medical Section (as it was before).
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The city was Baltimore.
9:33 AM, go fuck yourself
Why does CPD aotomatically put PO's on "coumadin" on light duty when other law enforcement agencies allow them to work patrol? Some people are required to be on coumadin the rest of their lives.
Kiss my ass with that Dad shit. Years back when I was a single mother busting my ass to keep my kids in private schools a "dad" in the unit was a widower with one kid and he got a couple days off a week compliments of the "boss" because of his hardship. His sister had his kid all the time. I never said a word, we didn't whine then.
Four words... Americans With Disabilities Act. I see a class action suit brewing...
9/19/2011 11:58:00 AM
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Does this apply to a police officer's job? Are you saying we have to hire the blind, people in wheelchairs, etc.? If you can't physically or mentally do the job, you shouldn't be holding on to the job. Life sucks, but there it is.
"Then there is the woman who claimed she had a bad back,IOD, in addition to a sexuual harassment beef, she too went on a full disability. When she got married they have video of her dancing on a table!"
Now THAT'S documentation...
9/19/2011 11:14:00 PM
Hun....thats what broke this department.
People taking it and not complaining to Labor boards and the Union.
Will the city end the paid maternity leave for women?
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Never. I repeat, never. They will also never allow paid leave for Dads. Men aren't involved, right?
Very unfair.
9/19/2011 08:19:00 PM
When you push something the size of a couple of footballs out of your vagina and when milk comes out of your breasts, you can get a paid leave too. ASSHAT.
Hey 9:33 you sound like Captain America! But when you cross the street and get hit by a bus or the big "C" comes knocking Im just wondering how all those studies you have will back you up. Im shocked you didnt quote how many arrests you have. It sounds like the city can now close Area Five since you now work there and you are a one man army. Trust me we I just read this to the other guys in Area Five and we all still think you are a joke. To everyone else, this idiot does not represent the rest of us at Area Five.
Good place to start looking for bodies, is the training division. More coppers then recruits. The way the ranges are manned is another place to find some clouted ones hiding.
Anonymous said...
9:33 AM, go fuck yourself
9/19/2011 11:11:00 PM
I second that. What an arrogant fuck. Mr Supercop who has worked every where and did this and arrested that. F/U. Just because you worked in these districts doesn't make you better or worse than anyone else. As a matter of fact I know two people who worked in 011 for more than 10yrs each. Both are good guys, but when it comes to police work... WOOF WOOF!
Anonymous said...
"Then there is the woman who claimed she had a bad back,IOD, in addition to a sexuual harassment beef, she too went on a full disability. When she got married they have video of her dancing on a table!"
Now THAT'S documentation...
9/20/2011 03:28:00 AM
And had twins!
9:33 a.m., I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. We also have Officers who have been shot in the line of duty, and they continue to work full duty. There are way too many people taking advantage of the system, and this benefit should be given to the ones that really need it. The abuses are way too out of control, and we need to safeguard this benefit for the future.
Why does CPD aotomatically put PO's on "coumadin" on light duty when other law enforcement agencies allow them to work patrol? Some people are required to be on coumadin the rest of their lives.
9/19/2011 11:12:00 PM
You can work full duty with CPD while on Coumadin.
It's up to the individual and their Dr.
there was one that was light duty for years because her leg was held together with screws, but day in and day out she pounded and stomped that leg bone on the treadmill in the gym. finally came off light duty to get a permanent spot, not because she could not look herself in the mirror.
Duty is duty whether it's full or light. I'm not a cop but I am married to one and have become friends with several other officers. My wife and several other active, retired and officers on light duty live in pain daily.
From where I sit only 4 groups of people have laid down their life for their fellow man; Jesus Christ, American service men/women, fire fighters and police officers. If an officer or a soldier sustains an injury while serving and needs to perform in a role that is considered "light duty" then all I can say is, "God bless them for their commitment".
As a group when compared to society as a whole I believe police officers and soldiers are less likely to take advantage of the system than the civilian population.
If my tax dollars go toward the salary of some officer that's now answering phones instead of answering calls because some animal inflicted a life changing injury then all I have to say is, "Thank You Officer".
but day in and day out she pounded and stomped that leg bone on the treadmill in the gym. finally came off light duty to get a permanent spot, not because she could not look herself in the mirror.
9/20/2011 04:18:00 PM
awesome inspirng story. nice work on her part
now if someone finds themselves in a similar situation they can only hope one of the few remaining treadmills that actually work are availiable
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The military don't keep light duty troops so why should the police? Never hear of any physical job keeping workers who can't do the job no more. Trim the fat and useless.....
9/19/2011 07:57:00 AM
Actually, the military does keep many of its "light duty" personnel until it is time for them to muster out!
I know of two that had injuries and one was sent to work in a mailroom the other at an admin. job.
9/19/2011 06:51:00 PM
There is a famous photo making the rounds on email of a Marine Sniper using his lower artificial leg as a prop for his rifle. OOhh-Rah Carry On!
Be nice to each other people.
9/19/2011 11:12:00 PM
You can work full duty with CPD while on Coumadin.
It's up to the individual and their Dr.
9/20/2011 02:47:00 PM
Absolutley false!!!!!
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