Get Healthy Or Else!
- Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced a “wellness plan” today aimed at keeping city employees healthier by charging them an extra $50 per month for insurance if they don't participate.
Workers and their spouses can participate for free and the only requirements are annual health screenings and follow-up phone calls from medical providers to point them to areas of concern, Emanuel said at a news conference with Chicago Federation of Labor President Jorge Ramirez, whose group represents major unions representing city workers. - Workers will not have to meet health benchmarks to stay in the program, but have to listen to recommendations about improving their health. Federation officials estimated up to 30,000 union members and spouses would participate.
“You have to try, is what this wellness plan is about. You have to make the attempt to do it,” Ramirez said. “It doesn't mean you absolutely, positively have to succeed. It means you need to try.”
So you have to sit and listen to Doctor Feelgood, promise to do better, and you're golden? What's the point?
Evidently, the FOP sees problems here, too:
Evidently, the FOP sees problems here, too:
- But Bill Dougherty, first vice president for the Fraternal Order of Police, said the FOP won't participate in the health care agreement because the wellness plan isn't a good deal for union members.
“Employees shouldn't be penalized $50 (per month) for them and $50 for their spouse, just because they don't want to participate in this program,” Dougherty said.
Once you give the City an inch, they'll take a yard, then a mile if they can. Our objection would arise from having to go to city doctors for this stuff. We're already happy with our health care professionals. We don't see the need to expand that circle of people into our personal business. We know we're going to be getting a whole bunch of comments about how cops are all fatasses, SCC is a bunch of overweight do-nothings, and all sorts of other nonsense (save your typing). We don't object to wellness plans and a healthy lifestyle - we object to the city nosing into our personal business and our health care decisions.
As one commentator said earlier:
As one commentator said earlier:
- Not a bad idea for us public employees. This should also be used for the link card crowd.
Precisely.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
156 Comments:
Rahm demands chicago taxpayers to pay over $500,000 in salary and benefits , 2 cars for maggie and richie daley , but says taxpayers should not be required to pay health care insurance for employees that won't help them selves with a wellness plan.
doesn't make any sense to most people i talk to .
After roll call lock yourself in a cell and don't come out til check off.
Bring a samich and an apple!
Get an undertaker to sign you off as "One off the healthiest persons he examined in his professional career. "
If you can't find one MSS has a list
Advocate hospitals started that for employees by giving a $50 rebate if you participate (HMO) $220 if Regular insurance.
Why not for the whole city Rahm?
Penalize everyone $50 if they don't keep themselves in good health.
Think of the billions it will save the citizens of Chicago if everyone does this!
What a crock of shit. I work out regularly. My wife and I go to the gym. We have very good health reports from the doctors.
I DO NOT WANT ANY MORE GOVERNMENTAL HOOPS TO HAVE TO SATISFY IN MY LIFE!
I AM TIRED OF THESE LIBERAL-ASS DEMOCRATS REGULATING THE SHIT OUT OF MY LIFE.
Now I need another layer in my life to check on me to see if I am healthy.
The fucking nerve of these liberals!
Go "f" yourself, Mr. Mayor.
Rahm, deal with crime, emergency preparedness, street upkeep, new sewers, sanitation and a host of other basics for which I am already being taxed.
Or do you have a cousin who will be making some money off of this somewhere.
I can't wait for an opening for governor or senator to become available as I know Rahm will run for it and hopefully leave town as soon as possible.
The obvious question is always who gets the connected contract to run this program. The city never goes to the yellow pages to find a vendor that can supervise and run a huge program like this. Keep a close watch and see who comes out running this mess. Always suspicious of anything these low life politicians come up with to "help us".
There is no way that I'm going to discuss any of my medical problems with this wellness group. Vindictive assholes on my job purposely aggravated a medical problem they knew about. I'm not telling them anything.
Agreed, it's nanny state like we've not seen. But I must confess, I'll probably take advantage of the program. Not for the $50 but to do something about my widening lardass!
They can can start the exam with a real close look at my asshole.
Smacks of a socialistic state. Do this; it's for your own good, Comrade.
I think its a good idea. Too many of us are over weight, smoke etc,
The Union may not like it But we could all be healthier
It may violate the contract now But I bet it will be a part of the next contract
What unbelievably fucking ignorant comments are showing up from the citizens in the comments section of the news story.
Truly, Chicago has to have the most uneducated citizens of any major city.
What else would explain electing a crooked ballerina to be mayor?
(And there are issues out there with him being crooked that are being over looked by the media. Don't want to mention anything about a box of ballots that were brought into a precinct after it was closed. No wouldn't want to do that because it wasn't investigated the first time. Why would it be now?)
Emmanuel, the start of a new crime family? Time will certainly tell, because the media won't.
Yeah,watch that $50 premium turn into $250-$500 premium within a few years. Just another Rahm Emanuel scam to legally steal our hard earned money.He sat at the feet of Shortshanks and learned how to be a thieving bastard.
Hey, how many doctors and counselors will have to be hired to administer this program? I foresee many clouted job-openings!
This is how it begins. The Progressive agenda will require public sector employees to comply to the mandates of the city. They will now know your medical conditions that only your doctors knew before. This isn't done in order to help you but to control your actions. This not only involves you, but your spouse and your children. This is what Obamacare will be like. This is just a preliminary experiment of what is going to be implemented by one of this abomination's creator, Emmanuel.
You keep giving away your freedoms little by little and they will eventually control you. They tell you where to live, what to eat, what you can and cannot do. Last time I checked Chicago was in the United States of America and not in Cuba, China, North Korea or Vietnam.
This is the Progressives eventual plan for everyone both in the public and private sectors. The Obamacare laws were rammed down this country's throat by the Democrat Party against the will of the People.
You will now have three choices; Comply, Pay $50 for yourself and $50 for your spouse each month or quit and leave this Socialist state and be free.
Choice is yours. I pray that you make the right one for yourself and your family.
whats up with g-mac,heard he gots some drama?
Not a completely bad idea but will taxpayer money be used to fund the program. Who will get the money? Vanecko Wellness Centers? Judging by the comments ( a bright new day) made by the union business agent appearing on Liberal puke Roe Conn show the unions must have a piece of the action. More corruption and government intrusion into our lives.
Rahm is over stepping on this, what next will we be required to do. What will BIG BROTHER decree next, putting our children in public schools,Yoga classes, living in public housing, the possibilities are endless once yoou start.
Who does this prick think he is!
Look at the Crystal Ball Man!!!!!!
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/ap/september/311901/APNewsBreak:-Chicago-to-publish-crime-stats-online
I know I should exercise more and be healthier.
In that regard I sort of see the point of this. On the other hand this reeks of big brother and I don't like that.
In previous dealings with the City I know that once they get their foot in the door with something then the gap just keeps widening. Look at our medical insurance contribution for an example it went from being free to "only 2.00 per check". How much are you contributing now?
However this program is initially contsructed now it's gauranteed to be more inclusive and intrusive in the future.
That's where I have a problem with it.
I do however wholeheartedly agree that something like this should be forced upon the government leeches.
If you are a Link user etc. a program like this should be mandatory or your benefits get greatly reduced.
And RE and the alderfolk should have to listen to monthly lectures on ethics? Fair is fair.
Two words:
HIPPA VIOLATION
it is about time good for the mayor
No definition of what a 'screening' entails. No explanation of how this will result in $20 million in savings.
All I see is another lucrative city contract to be handed out.
I choose my doctors carefully--I don't want someone I don't even know poking around.
And as a female, I guarantee you, a doctor not of my choosing is NOT going to be poking around my amusement park rides.
Do you object to paying more for your insurance because of the fat assess who choose to remain ignorant about their health and rack up all kinds of medical expenses? If people can't be bothered to take simple steps to become aware of health problems early on, then let them pay more to help offset the huge costs they're likey to incur later once the problem is worse.
This is nothing more than a veiled tax on employees. My question is: how much money is the city paying these Wellness doctors/program? It sounds like more of the same connected contract crap.
Why did the academy get rid of CrossFit classes?
Rahm has been a slug since his days as a Clintonista and everytime he shoots he has more than one target. So, what if he was doing this to us as a tactic and basis to turn the public against us. Is this the first shot to overhaul our entire Medical. Let's face it, we have the best system in the City. And those who abuse it are well aware of that. If they limited us to a specific number of days on the medical per year, this would be a completely different job. Is that the real goal, to limit our Medical?
To the unpublished:
if you aren't getting published, you're probably doing something wrong. typing in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS gets your comment flushed with only two exceptions. if you haven't been here long enough to figure it out, then maybe you need to pay better attention.
This program is a way for the city to find undisclosed health problems and push you out on disability. Hell yea the FOP should fight this tooth and nail because if you don't have a health problem now you might develop one later and it will be used against you.
Do not give the city any leverage
Fight this bullshit Bill Dougherty
Tell Shields to quit sucking his thumb and stand up for the membership.
What about HIPPA?
Isn't it my right to keep my medical information private? I feel bad I'm not more informed about this--but I'm sure going to find out now!
But welfare leeches don't have to take drug tests.
i useto work out all the time during my lunch but was always warned that if an inspector see s u he will gig u. I think L.A. gives the officers 3 hrs a week to work out during co. time.
Not like we can eat healthy during work time since we only get 30 mins. for lunch during work which mostly means fastfood.
I bet if 9.5 wasn t a runner
(health nut) but fat like Daley this would not be happening. I think we should start with the aldermen and see how many do this program.
Rahm doesn't want CFD to pay rent for their HQ so he's having them move into 35th & Michigan. There has been big wigs from CFD checking out the 4th floor, I've seen other myself.
I'm confused. Is this to curb medical roll uses or medical expenses for the insurance company?? It doesn't make sense why he should worry about BCBS.
Also, I have an ill family member. Do u think I'm going to let my family member get poked or prodded anymore than need be? Some people have diseases, Rahm. I assure u, those people would do anything possible to get better. I'm afraid going to your doctor isn't going to help.
Rahms father is a doctor and his practice is in family medicine. Look it up. I wonder who will be charge of the program? Sounds like a repeat of the Daley family.
The city can provide the information so we can take it to our personal physcian. He then can sign off on the form that certain things were discussed. That should be enough. No reason to go to the city provided doctor to ask the same questions. This would however, push some to have an annual physical, something that is probably sorely needed by many who neglect their health.
29 and a day said...
I think its a good idea. Too many of us are over weight, smoke etc,
The Union may not like it But we could all be healthier
It may violate the contract now But I bet it will be a part of the next contract
9/17/2011 12:58:00 AM
Come on, thats you Rahm isn't it????
I would like an explanation on how this will save the City any money. It sounds like it is going to cost a fortune in doctor bills.
I believe any person smart enough to listen to a doctor....probably already has one.
And as a female, I guarantee you, a doctor not of my choosing is NOT going to be poking around my amusement park rides.
9/17/2011 06:17:00 AM
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Damn straight. The only doctor seeing my magic muffin is going to be one that I selected.
Ever seen those idiots at Mercy Works? Some of them look worse than the piss bums that sleep in your stations.
Karen Lewis should of sat on his ass when she had the chance.
NO FREE GYM MEMBERSHIP?
NO WORKING OUT WHILE ON THE CLOCK?
NO HEALTHY CAFETERIAS AT POLICE BUILDINGS?
NO HEALTHY FOOD IN VENDING MACHINES
IN CITY BUILDINGS?
RAHM ALWAYS THROWS 1 PART OF PRIVATE SECTORS PLANS YET DROPS ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
THE ONLY PARTS HE KEEPS IS COST CUTTING AND MAKING CASH FOR THE CITY.
BUT THIS IS THE CITY THAT BELIEVES 1000 OFFICERS WERE ON DESK DUTY AND R NOW ON THE STREET.
25 DISTRICTS 3 WATCHES
SOOO THAT WOULD BE 13 OFFICERS PER WATCH PER DISTRICT WORKING THE DESK. OF COURSE WE HAVE MANY DESK A SPOT IN HQ ETC ETC.
AND HOW ABOUT ALL THE LATEST TRANSFER ORDERS IT SEEMS ALL THE LOVELY DISTRICT HAVE NICE SPOTS FOR THE CLOUTED. BUT WHEN THE STRIKE FORCE WAS KICKED IN THE ASS THE ONLY SPOTS WERE IN ENGLEWOOD!
I TRUST THE CITY...
its free!!!!!!!!!!!!
how do the doctors, administrators, secretaries, janitors, etc. that will run this wellness center get paid? i have a doctor, ain't goin' to yours.
Anonymous said...
Agreed, it's nanny state like we've not seen. But I must confess, I'll probably take advantage of the program. Not for the $50 but to do something about my widening lardass!
9/17/2011 12:47:00 AM
So if you know you have an issue how is this gonna help ? Are you going to walk to the appointments ? In your case I hope they offer mental healthcare
SCC morale must be getting better. I see more and more posts that are pro city hall. Thats good.
Let me put down my cigar and Jack Daniels. OK, that's better. Rahm - kiss my ass.
In Regards To The Last Sentence.
This should apply to the Link Card Crown. When I shop at Jewel, I am surrounded by shopping carts, while I am waiting in line. They are filled with soda, bottled water, apple juice, and white bread. The items are paid for with Link or some other type of card. WHATS THIS ABOUT ? DO THEY RESELL IT ?
Definitely not against tighter restrictions for government aid but "why not doit for LINK people" comment is apples to oranges. This is for the city's budget. Food stamp dollars (and I think TANF too) are 100% federal bucks. States pay 50% of their own admin costs...but the actual food stamps are USDA baby! i.e. stop thinking food stamps is all about lazy people wanting handouts and realize big companies love them and now fast food restaurants are trying to get access to food stamp revenue. Some of you guys are falling for the same hoodwink that is being pulled over the public's eyes with police and CTU. Of course there is abuse....we all know that...but why not fix it? Answer: it aint to help the po' folks :)
Anonymous said...
Do you object to paying more for your insurance because of the fat assess who choose to remain ignorant about their health and rack up all kinds of medical expenses? If people can't be bothered to take simple steps to become aware of health problems early on, then let them pay more to help offset the huge costs they're likey to incur later once the problem is worse.
9/17/2011 06:34:00 AM
You are missing the point. Being healthy should be reinforced but who will monitor the program? City doctors and possibly a third party vendor hired to monitor employees behavior? I do not trust any vendors or doctors hired by the city. Vendors are selected by clout, not by their quality of service. Thing again my friend if you trust this city.
OT : The last Crown Vic rolled off of a Canadian assembly line thursday...The end of an era !
yea how about take away da link card from pookie if he tests positive for rocks and blows...never gonna happen,,they only wanna screw with working people
" I'm from the government and I'm here to help you."
The most dishonest word's ever!
O'bamacare, low flush toilets, low pressure showers, " light bulbs, electric cars.
When and where will government intrusion in my private life & free will to do as I please (causing no harm to others ) going to stop?
Dear elected officials, you work for me!
Last word, keep on pushing m*****f*****'s, and I'll push back...
And hard! You won't like me when I'm angry.
Keep your powder dry & your musket handy.
What would the nanny state do if they didn't continuously come up with programs for the government to interfere in your personal life?
How would they indoctrinate the children, turn them into spies for the little fuehrer, and screw Americans out of their freedom?
Screw all of these left wing freedom haters. They need to go.
I think its a good idea. Too many of us are over weight, smoke etc,
The Union may not like it But we could all be healthier
It may violate the contract now But I bet it will be a part of the next contract
9/17/2011 12:58:00 AM
FU How about I decide whats good for me. We could all be healthier by everyone working days. Or maybe a pay hike so we dont have to work two jobs to send kids to good schools. 29 and 1 day, go drink the kool aid elsewhere
Ironic as Rahman demands the necessity of a wellness
program, he ignores the mold hazard in so many
police stations.
is mold healthy?
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
Liberals are the most anti-liberty people there are. They are the ones who want us to do everything for ourselves that is good for a utopian state of the workers. The trouble is there are so many non-workers and the rest of us do not like to be dictated to.
The Democrat/Liberals of today are the Communists of yesterday.
Stay Safe and Vote.
Only $50 a month now.
Remember "only a $2.00 a paycheck" for insurance.
Are there any plans to eliminate any health stress facters from this job. If you tell your health coach I need to get off midnights will he sign a slip for you?
This will also be a way of keeping records for future jobs, insurance, bank loans and who knows what else.
Gotta love those Democrats.
OT: Vaneko Enterprises Inc, teamed up with Rahm Ventures LLC today and have copywritten the map of Chicago. There will now be a $50 fee (for street maintenance and upkeep) placed on each and every Google or Bing street view request. Mapquest users will pony up with $10 per map view......
We pay insurance for. a reason in case we get sick or injured. just like all other types of insurance we pay for. to the intellectual poster who thinks he'll pay more because I get injured or because my daughter has cancer ..you're a idiot. maybe we should use this Wellness idea for our cars and homes too? Government, stay out of my personal life. I have freedom of choice to pay what I determine is needed for my families Wellness ..read the line again FREEDOM OF CHOICE.
New Spawn I/F Fillmore chapter
Here's how this backfires...tell me I have a health issue and BAM! I hit the medical. Now, pay for someone else to work in my spot while I try to get healthy. So long savings to the city. And it's only because 'you asked for it.'
So, it's too "embarassing" for people with link cards to have their picture on it to prevent fraud but the gov't wants me to pour my medical history out to someone that isn't my doctor because I am a government employee? NOT going to happen. People receiving gov't assistance don't need to even attempt to find employment, don't have to pass drug tests, don't have to buy healthy food and don't have to participate in any kind of "wellness" plan, and yet because I WORK for a living and pay taxes that fund my salary I have to have some stranger in my personal health business? Makes perfect sense. I have no problem with trying o be healthy. In fact I work out when I have time and eat healthy food. But I do it because I want to. Forcing people to do so doesn't work. If you want to encourage people to live healthy lifestyles do it with education and campaigning about the benefits. Threatening peoples' pocketbooks does NOT motivate. I envision a lot more medical abuse so people have excuses.
Personally, I think it's fair. You work out, watch what you eat and don't smoke, you should get a break on the insurance. Why should I underwrite the cost of taking care of some fat slob who has diabetes but continues to eat fried food and donuts? I feel the same way about the morans that ride their bikes w/out helmets. You have a choice, sure. Want to hear the wind rush thru the holes in your head? Fine, then I shouldn't have to wipe your butt when you're in re-hab and we all foot the bill with increased insurance rates. Don't want to wear a seat belt? Fine. When the bambulance comes to get you, you should by default go right into surgery for organ donor harvesting.
Most people don't realize they have a health problem until it's too late, then they say they wish they knew earlier.
A free wellness program is a good idea, you should think of it as a added benefit that others don't have, instead of something negative.
The last place I worked at had two different prices for insurance depending on whether you smoked or not.
The smokers premiums were higher in case you were wondering about that.
So the same people on this board who rant and yell about personal responsibility don't want to take responsibility for their own health? I welcome this offer. I am healthy and take care of my health. Why should I pay more for other people who are fat and lazy and don't care about what types of food they ear or don't exercise?
My wife and I are both in reasonably good health, but with heredity factors that are being controlled by our own doctor. We also eat healthy for the most part and work out as much as we can (3-4) times a week usually. We, like many people could stand to lose 10 to 20 lbs, but are otherwise is good health. Why does this prick want to charge us more money when we are doing our best to stay healthy? Wanna save money??? How about take away the FREE health insurance for the aldermen! They want to take everything away from the working people, but never seem to want to take a look in the mirror when it comes to saving money!
******* BREAKING NEWS*********
Looks like our Supt. is in some serious hot water with Mayor Emmanuel. Word is it is a very serious matter. Looks like this asshole lost his temper and hit his girlfriend/ a fellow coworker at 35th and Michigan. He is expected to resign on Monday.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Do you object to paying more for your insurance because of the fat assess who choose to remain ignorant about their health and rack up all kinds of medical expenses? If people can't be bothered to take simple steps to become aware of health problems early on, then let them pay more to help offset the huge costs they're likey to incur later once the problem is worse.
9/17/2011 06:34:00 AM
I object to any strong arm tactics designed to tax my liberty. This is The United States Of America where we are free to do as we will as long as it's legal. Food, smokes and booze are all legal things we can partake in if we chose and I don't need some Mob guy wanna be telling me what I should eat, drink or whatever or he's going to fine me $50. I eat pretty much whatever I want and I'm not fat at all, I smoke but have never missed a day of work or hit the medical because of it, I rarely have a drink and when I do it's at home and even then only one or two. If you think he will stop at $50 a month your nuts and would have fit in well with your keepers in some communist country. This is the U.S., bite me Pinko.
Rahm demands chicago taxpayers to pay over $500,000 in salary and benefits , 2 cars for maggie and richie daley , but says taxpayers should not be required to pay health care insurance for employees that won't help them selves with a wellness plan.
doesn't make any sense to most people i talk to .
9/17/2011 12:21:00 AM
then explain it to them.
hush money ain't pocket change.
Oh, Rahm couldn't be any worse than Daley. How many months since the election now? Still think he couldn't be any worse than Daley?
This little prick is a serial abuser of anyone he deals with. He has the short mans disease. He makes up for his lack of stature with an abundance of belligerence.
And as a female, I guarantee you, a doctor not of my choosing is NOT going to be poking around my amusement park rides.
9/17/2011 06:17:00 AM
now, where's the fun in that?
off topic
Im a retired PO I just heard about a cluster fuck at Illinois Masonic hospital on Thursday.
Apparently a one man unit was guarding a prisoner who was arrested for murdering his neighbor.
The prisoner was a drug addicted lunatic and the murder was a committed by a violent beating
The prisoner asked to use the bathroom and when he came out he was armed with the glass shelving from the medicine cabinet, which he had broken in two and was intent on using as a weapon
A nurse was injured by the glass and the officer had his hands full calling for help, protecting his weapon, and trying not to get injured by the glass and the almost certain blood borne diseases that this walking black plague infected shit head was infected with
The responding officers had a tough time locating the situation on the 5th floor psych unit etc etc etc
As I said, it was a cluster fuck
Here are my questions
1 Who the fuck was the 016 watch commander who assigned a one person unit to this prisoner guard detail? He ought to be reassigned as a PO and given prisoner guard details exclusively for about 2 years
2 Why was this asshole taken to a hospital where real people are being treated and visiting and where employees are probably untrained for this type of scenario? He should have gone to the Bridewell.
What if this asshole had gotten the officer's gun, which I heard that he was trying to do?
Now besides an injured copper youve got a maniac running around a hospital exchanging shots with the police or holding sick patients hostage or employees or visitors hostage etc etc
As I said it was a cluster fuck and I believe the fault of the supervisor who sent a one man unit to guard a violent prisoner in an unsecured hospital
I dont know how or why for that matter you guys do it
Be safe out there
OT: Is there a new policy regarding supervisors having sexual relationships with subordinates?????
Test the LINK card crowd as you say SCC.
They can be tested when they come in to pay their $500 curfew fines!
Poorly designed wellness programs such as this one are bogus. A company I worked for instituted one very similar, and I paid the $50 per month to opt out because it was insulting and an invasion of my privacy.
The initial "medical exams" were conducted by hack tecnhicians in the cafeteria where we ate lunch. My fellow employees got follow up "advice" via frequent emails and phone calls that often conflicted with what their own doctors were telling them.
I also recall that there was a release form you had to sign acknowledging that the program administrators would share your health data (absent your name but including other identifying info like birth date and sex) with unnamed third parties.
Like a previous poster suggested, our program was all about controlling us. There were prize incentives for taking part in approved on-site group activities. But no incentives or subsidies for anything involving individual choice like joining a gym or running marathons.
I smell a career ending law suit when some JO from the "wellness" provider demands my medical history.
Sue these cocksuckers every chance you get.
These programs are getting fairly common. Whether they do any real good is unclear.
The biggest mistake that business ever did was give away free health care. You should have skin in the game to maintain a healthy quality of life. On the other hand the city is self insured and BCBS manages the program, I personally think the city profits off the insurance program. If they were bleeding money they would have tried to get rid of it years ago. The police PPO would cost a self insured family of four around $15,000 per year with the prescription plan and your deductible would be $1500 per person. Plus we have the flexible spending account which saves you 20%.
The goal of LINKs and welfare is to buy votes. The goal of this wellness program is to charge more for health care. They know city employees don't vote the way they want so they gave up on the carrot a long time ago and now only employ only the stick.
Ron Paul 2012 get the gubment out of our lives...carry on
Another scheme for Democommie Politicians to make money of of us, that's ALL it is. Meanwhile, we , via our Tax Dollars, will have to continue paying for the Ghetto-Dog-Asses every Medical Problem, while they once again are expected to do NOTHING to recieve THEIR freebie benefits. How STUPID People are....
Instead of being a power hungry dictator asshole.Rham would get better results if he would take $50.00 off your insurance bill if you participate.Then it is a reward and I think more people would be inclined to co-operate.When you threaten to punish those who do not go along it is more the power hungry socialist.
I am lucky enough to be in good heath, but it still pisses me off to read comments about fat asses,smokers, drunks etc.Some people are fucked by genes others are just unlucky.A health catastrophe can strike anyone anytime.Your lucky if it's not you.
size means nothing when it comes to fitness--- the fat chubby guy almost always gets painted as lazy and useless--- he also is a genious with great ideas and people skills--- I once worked with a little skinny guy who was a chain smoker and looked like he didn't sleep for a week--- man, he was one tough mother fucker and he never lost a fight--- I watched him tattoo the fuck out of several people who were twice his size--- he was never a bully or an asshole, he was just someone you didn't want to fuck with--- to all my brother and sister officers, I wish you well and hope you are enjoying your day--- we are in the fight of our lives, we need to stick together and realize what fraternal really means....
OK, they will start with smoking and weight.
I don't smoke.
Then it will be drinking.
I like my beer and wine with my meals and my whiskey on the right occasion.
They will take tests; Random Drug will now include Body Mass and Liver Function.
Then it will be our leisure activities. Hunters, will have to pay the $50, as well as any shooting sports, competitive shooter will pay. Then include fishermen, skiers, snow boarders, and rock and mountain climbers.
Did you get a speeding ticket or an automatic red light ticket then you will pay the $50 or more.
Once you let it start it will never end.
Off Topic MSF and TRU officers. The officers who were dumped from Daley's detail got to pick their new district of assignment. Call the National Labor Relations Board this is an unfair labor practice. If the FOP refuses to do anything the NLRB will go after the FOP.
Big Brother is watching.
ALL DEMOCRATS ARE COMMUNISTS SAYS:
As you can see by the mold story below, they're REALLY concerned about our Health over at City Hall and CPD HQ. These A-holes have to be the WORST liars on the planet. Concerned for my well being? Your Well-Being ? HA-HA-HA, that's a laugh.
This is pretty common actually to ensure you get a better rate on health plans.
Hey demoncrats, stay the fuck out of my life. Don't attempt to justify your fucking over the public employees by suggesting it is for their own good. Fuck off democrats.
Surprise! Even the ACLU said yesterday that this is wrong. Why is it that everyone but the welfare sucking thugs has to take mandatory drug tests? I accepted random drug testing on this job be-cause it is the right thing but some people just don't have to do it. It will be the same with wellness. The thugs will eat their flaming red hots and drink 40ouncers and we will be stuck eating tofu and seaweed or pay $100.00 a month per family not to.
Rahm boy needs some Mental Health Care. He's really a disturbed Mo-Fo !!!
Driving Miss Daley is okay? I agree with this premise, inaddition to the link card suggestion. This is a term/condition to receive employer benefits.
Get healthy or else? Provide mold free facilities and our health will improve. Have maintenance employees use disinfectant products that won't kill us while we walk in hallways.
Our last contract allow people 55+ to retire and receive free health insurance until medicare eligible. The City would have us believe this benefit was due to their genorosity. The new Mayor will have you believe that he had a vision, inspiration, whatever, to announce and implement this wellness plan.
Wrong on both counts. As part of the Obama Plan, the government is reimbursing public and private sector employees for this retiree health care at 55+. However one of the provisions is that the "applicant", in this instance, the City, must initiate some type of program (wellness program is one of them)to reduce the cost of health care. The government subsidized retiree reimbursement plan expires 12/31/2014. At that time, retirees will move to a different plan.
I hope FOP is aware of this. They should be, and they should have informed the membership of it when people started taking advantage of it. This is not a gratuitous thing that the City is doing for us as they would have you believe.
You can read more here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/fact-sheet-early-retiree-reinsurance-program
You have to make the attempt to do it,” Ramirez said. “It doesn't mean you absolutely, positively have to succeed. It means you need to try
That's today.
Tomorrow it will be, "Well you tried but failed, so now you're out of a job."
it sounds to me that your health insurance rates are going up. if you participate in this wellness plan then you receive a discount on the new higher rates. that's how insurance companies work, they give discounts to those people that they value as a lesser risk. i imagine that the actual rate hike is higher than the 50 bucks and the state is eating the difference, but if you participate in the wellness plan the savings are more than the individual discount, thus saving the state money. rahm doesn't run the insurance companies, and he doesn't set their rates. i'm no more a fan of him than SCC, but neither am i going to assume that because the words are coming out of his mouth he must be screwing people over.
WRT: "Do you object to paying more for your insurance because of the fat assess who choose to remain ignorant about their health and rack up all kinds of medical expenses? If people can't be bothered to take simple steps to become aware of health problems early on, then let them pay more to help offset the huge costs they're likey to incur later once the problem is worse."
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So the people that can't be bothered to take the simple steps of keeping the work environment clean and safe from mold spores and bacteria should be made to pay the huge cost from the chronic illness that it creates then.
Okay.... Give them a $50 ticket per employee until the building is clean and if they still don't clean it up tow their cars...lol
Hate to support Rahm on anything, but this would be one of those things. My understanding is that most large law enforcement agencies enforce at least some level of physical standards yearly if not daily or weekly.
So if he's not incentivizing folks to hear something about their weight and eating habbits and smoking and drinking habits, he could do something far harsher to some folks. The city could simply adopt the industry standard weight standards, sorta like the military. That would be way harsher for the officers that are the greatest part of the concerns the city is addressing.
The incentivized counseling smacks of a nanny state, but I'm not sure I'd want to see the alternative of a strict weight standards the way you see in other places.
All it is set to do is save the city money and charge us higher premiums.
My sister and brother in law have this crap to deal with thru Dominicks. If you are over wieght they fuck with you. If you need care they fuck with you. If you have high blood pressure they fuck with you.
Nobody's perfect. People think this is a normal job. Fuckin liberal assholes are jealous because we had good benefits for not have a Ba in some type of bullshit course.
All you young coppers better wake the fuck up and start sticking together. They think out pension is to generous. Come do a ride along asshole I will make you shit your fuckin pants. What will scare the living shit out of you we think of as normal.
Sorry, SCC...it's not a bad idea. We really do need to be in shape. Police and Fire will not be the problem...but we'll indeed be targeted...make that profiled (literally and figuratively)
Problem is many do-nothing-lay-about-beasts that weigh 250-300 lbs in other city jobs are indeed a constant stress on insurance claims.
Just the facts, Sgt Friday.
Anyone remember about 10 or 15 years ago when you could go to the cities dr's once a year for free and get a full exam. EKG, blood work, X-rays, and an exam. This was before we were worried about the city getting in our business. Not long after it ended, it turned out the dr's weren't looking at any of the results or x-rays. They were just saying, "you're fine". I wonder if anyone sued the city over the "you're fine" diagnosis.
Ot: does anyone have any info on how coppers are chosen for the carbine course? I've signed up over 7 times and still can't get in.
ACLU is already smelling money in this, can Flint Taylor and the 'PLO' be far behind?
Rumor has it Rahm has resurrected Dr. Kavorkian to run this new wellness program. If you don't go along and pay the $50$ bucks you will be "hooked up to the machine".
Not too many of us are left that remember health care cost us $0. Then came the 4 yr. contract and $2 a pay period premiums. Then throw us a bone of free insurance payments till age 63, or until THAT money runs out (ObamaCare subsidy thru Jan 1,'13)
Tax the workers for non-participation, yet they won't mandate drug testing for deadbeat public aid recipients.
How many clown alder'Yes'men will climb on this bandwagon. My only guess is that there are many more nonworkable goofy ideas to rile the public just to get a real estate tax increase. But again, only for the working class.
So if we decline health insurance, ol' Rahmabama will force you to buy it? Gee, who put that idea in Obongos head?
Small gap between DC & Chicago.
Daley & family sure screwed this City over, and Rahm, of all people won't admit how Daleys corruption bled the city dry.
Remember to opt-out Nov 2012. Vote Republican, and we'll get a new U.S. Atty. General
Rahmbo spends lots of time working out Can I as a PO?
To "29 and a day" I have to disargee. Life is choices and we are all 3x7. Like "12:35" said he and his wife work out..THEIR CHOICE!!! I work out daily myself but I have a very good friend/partner who is very sick. Why should he be penalized because he has a sickness?? He works out as well even though he has a condition, he should be screwed?? I know that's not what's happening yet but give the new "little prick" in city hall a chance and it'll be here b4 you know it. One last thing, when the guys I worked with in 011 ever called a "10-1" they loved seeing the light leave the room when my partner and I ran through the door. Let little Rahmie try to take down any of these w-siders with their prison builds and he's be runnin' like a little bitch. You need some ass behind you when battling the beast. You give them an inch and they will take a mile. God Bless ALL and stay SAFE.
OT: Anymore news on alex's murder trial. We need room numbers. please post.
All the same assholes who will be backing this are the same assholes who think the medical should be 12 sick days use em or lose em. They don't think they'll ever get sick because they workout and aren't overweight, until they tear some cartilidge or get some form of cancer that occurs even though you thought you were taking care of yourself. When they drug test all welfare recipients, then I'll submit to this. And for the record I've never smoked, I'm not overweight and I do exercise but I'm not naive enough think that shit doesn't happen. There is a principal involved here.
Welcome to the private sector. THIS is how business works.
Off Topic sorry. I just finished the M4/Carbine class. Those guys put together a great program. Thanks to all of you that were involved in it. They tell it like it is for the Chicago Cop, not some crazy Army war story type of class. I strongly suggest it if you get the opportunit
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Intstructor's are outstanding....program's been around for 2 plus years. why did you wait so long?
9/16/2011 11:12:00 PM
Uh, cause I don't have a connection?
They said in the paper all unions but the FOP agreed with it.
What's in it for the unions that they would agree so quickly to something that could cost their membership each $1200 a year???????
Rahm is if possible worse the Richie. This is not a liberal agenda, this is the agenda of a nut case who is tunning the city. This has nothing to do about our well being this is about generating revenue and negative press for the police we do have a contract which expites soon.
Rham want us to look like uncooperative in the eyes of the general public. He will take every opportunity to make us look bad.
It is too bad he does not value us .
I wonder if he ever read the following George Orwell quote "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
I would add and rough women
You have to admit there are some people who would benefit from such a program because it's the only way to get them more involved in their own health. I think I would. But there is still something about the whole idea that smells to me. This isn't about looking out for our well being, and/or saving the city some money, there has to be some deviate goal down the road. A massive increase in medical premiums maybe?
I'm sorry, I just don't see this new mayor looking out for us like that.
HEY RAHMMY IT'S BETTER THSN THAT.
We'll all get well or go with a buy out.
Sit doen if front of the HAYMARKET statue with a shopping bag and a crayon then do the arithmatic.
You say we cost $500,000,000:00 and if we get well or pay $50.00 you can "SAVE" $120,000,000.00!
OK now what you do is:
Give US $100.00 cut the co-pay and deductables, bur an INSURANCE POLICY that coordinates benefits, give IPRA A BIG RETIREMENT PARTY, quit coventry and CORPORATE MEDICINE, close MSS and replace them with a computer that pays health care bills ( less 10%) and both a ASA and A USA
To procecute the thieves {Dr. And hospitals or "PATIENTS". Everybody wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-)
Barracky will take you back, Quinn goes to jail for treason and we live happy ever after.
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Where's my $50 a month for hardly ever using this expensive insurance for the past 21 years?
Our insurance already has a wellness clause, why should we have to pay more for going to one of the mayors doctors?
Firefighters eat sleep and workout all day, street and sand work m/f (most) 8 hrs and get DOUBLE TIME FOR ALL OVERTIME AND UNION HEALTH CARE?
WE gotta do this when? FOP GAVE THE CITY MANDATORY OVERTIME AND NO T/D COMP TIME PERSONEL DAYS OR VACATION DAYS AND NOT EVEN DAY OFF WITHOUT PAY AT THEIR WHIM. (Thanks again FOP)
IF YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING PERSONEL THE GIVE YOU 364 DAYS PENDING BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO WITHOUT YOU ( THANK YOU AGAIN FOP ) TO TEACH YOU A LESSON.
All we got left is the medica, WAL MARTl or suicide huh?
leomemorial said...
This is pretty common actually to ensure you get a better rate on health plans.
9/17/2011 03:27:00 PM
The city doesn't pay premiums on health plans, the city is self insured.
Big Brother is watching.
9/17/2011 03:09:00 PM
big brother is fingering your prostate.
Rahm is if possible worse the Richie. This is not a liberal agenda, this is the agenda of a nut case who is tunning the city. This has nothing to do about our well being this is about generating revenue and negative press for the police we do have a contract which expites soon.
Rham want us to look like uncooperative in the eyes of the general public. He will take every opportunity to make us look bad.
It is too bad he does not value us .
I wonder if he ever read the following George Orwell quote "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
I would add and rough women
I would add, "dude, ease up on the alcohol before you type."
Anonymous said...
Ot: does anyone have any info on how coppers are chosen for the carbine course? I've signed up over 7 times and still can't get in.
9/17/2011 06:50:00 PM
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Assignments are made thru Bureau of Patrol. Call 35th Street.
it sounds to me that your health insurance rates are going up. if you participate in this wellness plan then you receive a discount on the new higher rates. that's how insurance companies work, they give discounts to those people that they value as a lesser risk. i imagine that the actual rate hike is higher than the 50 bucks and the state is eating the difference, but if you participate in the wellness plan the savings are more than the individual discount, thus saving the state money. rahm doesn't run the insurance companies, and he doesn't set their rates. i'm no more a fan of him than SCC, but neither am i going to assume that because the words are coming out of his mouth he must be screwing people over.
9/17/2011 05:40:00 PM
The city is its own insurance company. BC/BS just administers it. The city does not pay premiums on your behalf, they just pay the bills that BC/BS submits to them
But where does it stop? Oh sure, they just want us to " discuss" our health issues. But do you think it will stop there? One thing is for sure and that is this program will SUCCEED! Hey, this is Chicago, isn't it? In fact, I'll bet that it will be so successful that by contract time they will want it mandatory.
Oh and don't be surprised if once in it the rules will change making it virtually impossible to leave the program.
Just like volunteering to work in a special unit. Unless otherwise stated in the existing contract, you are subject to having your hours and work assignment change on a whim.
Proceed with caution.
I have cancer. Are they going to charge me double? Or actually try and tell me the cure? I think I will pay my $50 and enjoy telling them FUCK YOU!
The Emmanuel Crime Family has reared its ugly head. Oh God!
OT: Is there a new policy regarding supervisors having sexual relationships with subordinates?????
9/17/2011 01:00:00 PM
Yes, one section of the new order says that if the supervisor is at least a superintendent then the subordinate, presumably a Lt., must be promoted to at least commander, regardless of what BS unit the Lt was previously the C/O of, the fact that the Lt. has never worked the street, ot the fact that the Lt is a product of the Department's "secret study group" promotional track.
Its all in the new order that came out today - G.0. 11-22 "How to get promoted on the department even though I am not qualified to be a bagger at Jewel"
............Wrong on both counts. As part of the Obama Plan, the government is reimbursing public and private sector employees for this retiree health care at 55+. However one of the provisions is that the "applicant", in this instance, the City, must initiate some type of program (wellness program is one of them)to reduce the cost of health care. .........9/17/2011 05:35:00 PM
Spot On !! yet if you read the plan(boring), there is not one word or line that mentions keeping the accrued time on the books for ransom. The idea behind the grant is to supplement the city for not only health care but also any time or payments (severance pay)that the city may owe the respective retiree.
DALEY has kept the comp time due and made it as payable over a four year + period with an annual cap in exchange for retiring at 55 with city paid health care.
Now what might one expect to hear from the city after the four year period is up in 2014? When bo be gone ? When, by then, the health care plan has been decimated by the courts and funding is gone ?
So the city has obama money to pay for the health care and also the officers accrued comp time too.
Rahm just wants to make sure that he is not the only male city employee who looks like he belongs in a tu-tu and tights.
I wish there was a solution that we could all agree on. It's amazignto read the ages of our deceased brothers and sisters in the FOP newsletter each month. Way too many 55, 58, 60, 61 etc.
Unfortunately, it's just the nature of the beast
Anonymous said...
Sorry, SCC...it's not a bad idea. We really do need to be in shape. Police and Fire will not be the problem...but we'll indeed be targeted...make that profiled (literally and figuratively)
Problem is many do-nothing-lay-about-beasts that weigh 250-300 lbs in other city jobs are indeed a constant stress on insurance claims.
Just the facts, Sgt Friday.
9/17/2011 06:35:00 PM
Dear Sgt Friday. I am over weight, very overwieght but still work every day and do not use the medical. I watch my young, skinny co-workers use the medical for every little complaint. Or they use any possible excuse to go on light duty. Is weight the only criteria you are using for abuse, Sgt Friday? We all need to exercise and to improve our health but be careful who monitors the program. I do not trust the city or white shirts. Sgt FRiday, GFY!
So the people that can't be bothered to take the simple steps of keeping the work environment clean and safe from mold spores and bacteria should be made to pay the huge cost from the chronic illness that it creates then.
Okay.... Give them a $50 ticket per employee until the building is clean and if they still don't clean it up tow their cars...lol
9/17/2011 05:41:00 PM
Is there a proven link between the white mold spores and cancer? The ecinetific filed cannot agree on the issue of white mold spores so do not use work enviorment as an excsue not to exercise and loose weight. We all need help to improve our health.
I am lucky enough to be in good heath, but it still pisses me off to read comments about fat asses,smokers, drunks etc.Some people are fucked by genes others are just unlucky.A health catastrophe can strike anyone anytime.Your lucky if it's not you.
9/17/2011 02:07:00 PM
I think we all realize that. We're not talking about people who get sick or injured due to no fault of their own (genes, accidents, etc). The problem is people who CHOOSE to not exercise, eat unhealthily, smoke, etc and don't take any steps to improve their health. Everyone else ends up having to pay more for their bad choices, and that's not fair. People who choose to ignore their health should pay more for insurance.
Instead of being a power hungry dictator asshole.Rham would get better results if he would take $50.00 off your insurance bill if you participate.Then it is a reward and I think more people would be inclined to co-operate.When you threaten to punish those who do not go along it is more the power hungry socialist.
9/17/2011 02:04:00 PM
Good point. I agree that people would feel much better if they were rewarded for doing something rather than being punised for not doing it.
Welcome to the private sector. THIS is how business works.
. . . and explains the recession(s), bailouts and golden parachutes
streets & sanitation work 8 hours a day , check out fueling stations , fire houses . They hang around 1/2 hour before time to swipe out . Sign a log at a water pumping station , they get paid to sleep , read books , not a bad gig.
Police and firefighter are the work horses of city.
What's next ? Brown Shirts & Tiny Dancer 9.5 Youth Corps ??
Unconstitutional. Just like Obama-Care, in a local package. democommies looking to make more money off of you, the Taxpayer, again, as usual. Just don't pay for ANYTHING more, when these politicians come up with another brain fart. It's just designed to continue fleecing you down the road, and to take your eye off the ball so you won't think about holding them accountable for the messes they've already created. Let em fix the messes we're saddled with now because of their lies, trickery, and thievery, before allowing them to do ANYTHING else. Hold THEM 100% Fully Accountable for all your Tax-Dollars they've Stolen and Wasted. Don't let em have any more schemes [ideas to Democommies] put into law or ordinance till they prove themselves completely fiscally accountable, and lead us out of the debt that THEY put us into, WITHOUT raising fees and Taxes to us Taxpaying Citizens. What about the Illegals here in Sanctuary City? Think they will have to pay even a dime into this? Gonna fine the welfare-entitlement bunch if they don't participate? Yeah, right, like they'll really pay up. Guess Who's getting stuck with this potential gigantic Boondoggle? Right.
Anonymous said...
29 and a day said...
I think its a good idea. Too many of us are over weight, smoke etc,
The Union may not like it But we could all be healthier
It may violate the contract now But I bet it will be a part of the next contract
9/17/2011 12:58:00 AM
Have another glass of Kool-Aid, Arrow-Head.
>>>Anonymous said...
SCC morale must be getting better. I see more and more posts that are pro city hall. Thats good.
9/17/2011 09:40:00 AM<<,
Those are Rahm's City Hall Troll's and remember what was said about winning Chicago's Best Blog Award, it was going to invite outsiders.
Give me an hour to work out during my bullshit 8.5 hour day. I'll do it. But between every asshole in this state and even the asshole running the country reaching into my pockets every ten minutes, I can't afford to do it off duty. I have to work to many side jobs to pay the Catholics for school (thanks ghetto people for ruining pub schools), property taxes, income taxes, tolls, sales taxes, county taxes, plate stickers, city stickers, the list goes on and on and on. The list that is there to keep the working man down, while putting the non working man up on a pedestal. If you ask me...the above things have the making of a workers revolt.
My stress level and sleep might improve dramatically with a move to the neighboring suburbs. People in private industry can live where they choose. Let's be like private companies Rahmbolina, you want to grab this whole hog right?
No more drunken mopes that sound like a gathering of the UN outside my condo babbling and waking me up. Not to forget the pimp-mobiles that cruise the city neighborhoods with ear piercing sound systems at all times of the day and night.
Anonymous said...
Two words:
HIPPA VIOLATION
9/17/2011 04:46:00 AM
What I do with consenting zoo animals is my business, not yours.
If Rahm is so worried about my health why is everything regarding wellness not covered by my city run insurance. Before I retired I could not go for a physical, etc. and my wife could not go for a mamagram etc. without lying and saying there is a problem before the insurance would cover it. It's worse now that I'm retired and I still have to pay them $800.00 a month regardless.
Ret 177
"Not a bad idea for us public employees. This should also be used for the link card crowd."
"Precisely."
Anything but the elimination of "Sanctuary Cities" and wide-open immigration -- anything but an either/or choice of free birth control or no additional payments for new children one is unable to support.
I know, I know. "Racism!"
"Genocide!"
That, as the black population is predicted to double to 60 million by the year 2050....the overall population to increase by 150 million.
.....poking around my amusement park rides.
9/17/2011 06:17:00 AM
Definately an E ticket
"O'bamacare, low flush toilets, low pressure showers, " light bulbs, electric cars."
--9/17/2011 10:08:00 AM
...not to mention those thousand-dollar do-nothing front-loading washing machines.
Seems like they started with those "accessible" rectangular door latch bars you sprain your fingers or wrist instinctively trying to grasp when you can't.
Oh -- where's the five hundred million of tax money that went into that bankrupt Obama solar cell company?
I drilled the 2 g.p.m. restrictor right out of my shower head. Ain't got all day here.
Stop the additional 2 billion uncontrolled Third World population growth, and you wouldn't be so worried about the faucets.
I'll agree, let the aldermen lead the way, followed by the welfare recievers.
Anonymous said...
SCC morale must be getting better. I see more and more posts that are pro city hall. Thats good.
9/17/2011 09:40:00 AM
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It's actually the mayors staff doing the favorable replies.
Nice try Tiny Dancer !!!!!!!!
I think its a good idea. Too many of us are over weight, smoke etc,
The Union may not like it But we could all be healthier.
If you are overweight, smoke etc. thats youre problem. Dont fucking burden me and my family because of youre ignorant lazy ass
Police and firefighter are the work horses of city.
9/18/2011 11:22:00 AM
We agree.
I am concerned with this proposal. If you have a catastrophic disease, and this screening discovers this, then it could open the door/justification to raise premiums.
That's just GREAT! I wasted years having lousy sex with irish bosses (an oxymoron if ever there was one)and just when I go, G.O. 11-22 rolls off the presses. As if life wasn't sucky enough, turns out I really am not qualified to be a bagger at Jewel. Got THAT bad news last week. Anyone need there lawn cut?
Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.
Ronald Reagan
If I get a catastrophic disease, thanks for the memories. I'm taking the premium money and following the stairway to heaven. Via I-294
So does this mean we can work out on our lunch half hour? if not, why not? Iworked out at a gym in the district9the same one i go to Off duty) and I was threatened with discipline if I do it again. But this was before this wellness idea< so maybe i would be ok to exercise on my half hour.
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