HB 3827 Pulled - for Now
From the comments (and the FOP site we are told):
- House Bill 3827 Update
State Representative Cross initially introduced HB3827 which would have had a negative impact on the makeup of our Pension Board in that it would have put the Board in the hands of the Mayor and his appointed members while placing our elected members in the minority. Today, Representative Cross pulled the bill out of committee. While this is a victory for the moment, the Lodge and our lobbyists will continue to monitor this particular bill. We will be diligent in protecting our members pension.
The Lodge would like to extend a hearty thank you to all of our members who called or emailed their State Representatives prior to the Personnel and Pension Committee meeting that was held this afternoon. [...]
FOP UPDATE:
Please do not let this victory stop you from coming down to Springfield to sound your voice in the battle that has been waged against our pensions. The Lodge has confirmed 180 officers will proudly be on the buses to Springfield tomorrow. We must let our voices be heard.
If you already planned on going, don't let this dissuade you. A good showing will demonstrate to the politicians we're serious about keeping this bill bottled up.
Labels: pension
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
104 Comments:
But of course. The city needs you guys for the NATOG8. After that all bets are off I'll wager.
Rahmbo's just pissed cuz he's on a losing streak. Cross pulled his pension grabber bill; no casino; his choice for Supt. is a dunderhead; the city is broke; and he has thousands of anarchists coming here to trash the place next May; he has totally alienated the Police & Fire Depts that he will need to preserve order; and the media is starting to lift the sewer lids & expose City Hall scandals. You knew all along that this guy was going to walk around naked screaming eventually, just as he did in Washington.
10/25/2011 09:43:00 PM
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What the hell happened? Did Cross and the others get advance notice that Emanuel is about to be indicted and they've all turned their backs on him? We can hope...
The unions need to use some of it's revenue and run campaigns to let the people know what the politicians are trying to do, stop being reactive and become proactive with our pensions both the fop and pbpa
I wouldn't trust any of these sneaky sell out bastard politcians. They probably pulled this bill because there is way too much heat on Madigan and Cullerton right now. But don't doubt if Racoon Eyes wants this passed they will try later. I still can't believe these cowardly state senators passed the Com Edison legislation. They needed a super majority and got it. Just like Gov. Quinn stated, "You can pour perfume on this bill and it still smells like a skunk". It appears that our Democrat leaders could care less about us as the economy grows worse. I will certainly not forget their concern for us in 2012.
Booth sides scheming how to get their hands on that money.
BTW, when they say the spring session they mean AFTER the NATOG8 right? Why wait?
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Still waiting on the “big” pension bill
http://capitolfax.com/2011/10/24/still-waiting-on-the-big-pension-bill/
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Rep. Pritchard’s comment about a desire for a negotiated solution is something I’ve been hearing more and more these days. Republicans and Democrats want both sides to try to hammer something out. And the feeling is that has a better chance of happening if action is put off until the spring session. Some of the people pushing reform believe that union members will get antsy about having something jammed down their throats, so they’ll push leadership for a negotiated solution. Time will tell.
Okay, THIS bill was pulled. But aren't there SEVERAL pension bills that affect us pending in this session???
Good job guy's
Off Topic:
They jackin' cars in the loop now. The South Side is movin on up.
---not a cop
This bill being pulled smells.
Reminds me of a smarmy defense lawyer walking into the courtroom and seeing all of the prosecutions victims and witnesses there and asking for a continuance trying to discourage them from showing up.
Watch this bastard reintroduce this bill as soon as all the union members who travel to Springfield to protest, get complacent and not show up. These asshole politician/lawyers have seen this before. We're just temporary, amateur obstructions to them. They'll just f*ck us in the ass next month or the month after that or as soon as they discover that we let our guard down.
Madigan and his cronies are truly the scum of the earth, but THEY will be the ones who ultimately will retire as the real pension abusers!
Will the Mayor's reported legislative priority giving the private jet set at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange a tax break continue?
Here are some previously reported items.
The Chicago Mercantile Exchange gave Emanual a $200,000.00 donation (Chgo News Cooperative Jan 20, 2011 article)
Donors from the financial services industry made up the largest block of income for the Emanual campaign, totaling at least $4.9 million since October, according to the Chicago Tribune's analysis. (Tribune April 25, 2011)
Meanwhile he wants to "reform" the pensions for middle class teachers, firefighters and police officers.
CME Tax Break and Pension Reform
The Merc donated $200,000 to Emanuel’s mayoral campaign, making it his second-biggest contributor, after Hollywood entertainment mogul Haim Saban. Emanuel is also a former Merc board member.
The Merc has also given $150,000 to House Speaker Michael Madigan and $90,000 to Gov. Pat Quinn.
Source:
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Emanuel-Pushes-For-Merc-Tax-Break-132310958.html
Thank you Mike Shields! i know you were there fighting for us!
what's a pension?
Good to see. NYPD here and they are trying hard to get at our hard earned pension funds across the country. Hopefully when you guys host the G8 these OWS dirtbags will head west and give us a break. Stay safe.
The unions need to use some of it's revenue and run campaigns to let the people know what the politicians are trying to do, stop being reactive and become proactive with our pensions both the fop and pbpa
Reply- they already do. Visit the WEareoneillinois.org website.
Absolutely. Let them know we are watching them and intend to vote. Log on to the Illinois Legislature's website and see for yourself what's up. Last time I checked there were 62 bills that came up when I entered "pension reform". You may also want to check other law enforcement topics.
Great job to everyone who came together on this.
I personally know a retired Sgt who is now into republican politics. I told him what was going on and he immediately got on the phone with republican politicians. After a few conversations with these politicians they started to see the light. Thanks again for your help Sgt.
their next move will be,to submit a rider on a different bill. any bill that affects the pension, the fop and members should be made aware before its voted on. emil jones has done this in the past for short shanks.
Did our lobbyists find pictures of Cross getting it on with a sheep?
I would have loved to see Rammie this afternoon. Garry's verbal diarrhea, the pension bill getting pulled and Hoff's ballsy move. I can imagine the F-Bombs being dropped. Anybody see "Boss"? With Mayor Kean's tantrum with the Pilsen Alderman? I can see that.
What about the real issue which is the bill that will change our retirement eligibility dates and percentages earned? Seems like this is a bigger threat. I'm not sure of the bil name but it was going through the same time this one was.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-madigan-wants-to-set-limits-on-union-wages-benefits-20111025,0,7028596.story
More pension attacks.
..the reason that England is so staunch with gun control is that the monarchy is afraid of rebellion and revolution. It worked over here with the colonies. They do not want it repeated.
Our constitution says we are allowed to have a gun. This will not be violated. Cast aside all other Axis regulations.
The G8 Summit only benefits the people who own Hotels.Pritzkers give Huge Political Donations.
Purchased gun. Card for NRA was in box. Joined for 25 bucks. Got hat and bullet pen with three thousand free gun insurance. American rifleman magazine included for a year. Good reading. Conceal carry in Illinois will happen , only a matter of time. Regardless, I will be armed. Our constitution says I can be.
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This your job sucks, try on this one...
http://tinyurl.com/3fal4h9
A U.S. Border Patrol agent has been sentenced to two years in prison for improperly lifting the arms of a 15-year-old drug smuggling suspect while handcuffed — in what the Justice Department called a deprivation of the teenager’s constitutional right to be free from the use of unreasonable force.
this seems fishy...remember lil nero like dead fish. Our we sure the language of that bill wasnt placed neatly tucked away in another bill. It wouldnt be the first time these bastards sneak something past the unsuspecting citizendry.
WAKE UP; They did this to bring all the Unions to their knees and promise that they will ALL back Obama etc. in upcoming elections. Wait and see how much $$$ has been donated to the various Campaign Funds controlled by 9.5, Madigan, Cullerton and probably even Cross these past couple weeks.
They bring this type of legislation up in the media to rattle some cages, shake loose some Dollars and remind us all that what we think or want NEVER matters.
Reps. Tom (Double) Cross & Darlene Sengen tried to turn over the Chicago Police Pension
to Mayor Rahm "Twinkle Toes" Emmanuel. If Mike "My Money" Madigan succeeds in getting this travesty through the General Assembly no Police or Fire Fighter Pension will be safe. Can anyone
say Daley & nephew Vanecko? $15,000,000 down the drain!
There has to be a back story concerning Daley's turning over the
reins of power to Mayor Rahm "Twinkle Toes" Emanuel.
Maybe "Twinkle Toes" wanted a chance to harvest the low hanging fruit AKA: City Contracts. Any public service organization with a pension in this pathetically corrupt state will be in the crosshairs of Mike "That's my money" Madigan and the rest of the DemocRATS. Remember the old Jewish story of being complacent.
• First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
•Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
•Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
•Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
SCC: I sincerely, respectfully request that you start a countdown to Bill Cozzi's release. Although there will not be an immediate celebration, I am sure that down the road he will appreciate reading everyone's words of encouragement. He served his time in the most unbelievably gallant way...and he will still have tough times ahead.
It's only several days away. Maybe people could offer support, or job possibilities, whatever.
Let's all just reflect for a moment that he spent 28 (?) months in a hellhole of a place without even 1 visit, because he didn't want anyone to go through the aggravation of the process.
Let's not forget, that our own McStupe, just threw another copper under the bus.
Can you please just make a spot for people to comment and simply say, "Welcome Home Brother."
Just a thought.
Thank you for your consideration.
Just saw the ad for Windy City Vet's fundraiser this upcoming Friday. Sorry I can't make it boys, but I'll gladly send a donation. How do I get the money to you?
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Did McSupe violate Rule 31 ?
Rule 31
Publicly criticizing the official actions of another Department member, when the result of such criticism can reasonably be foreseen to undermine the effectiveness of the official working relationship of the member within his assigned unit. All such criticism should be made and reported to the Department.
COMMENT: The nature of the mission of the Police Department requires a close and confidential relationship between members and their superiors and between fellow members. Public criticism of the official actions of other Department members could seriously impair that relationship, which would be detrimental to the Department’s ability to achieve its goals and implement its policies. All public criticism of other members is not prohibited; however, when the effect of the public criticism can reasonably be foreseen to have a detrimental effect on the member’s effectiveness within his unit, the member must refrain from such conduct or the good of the Department and the public welfare and safety.
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Did McSupe violate Rule 32?
Rule 32
Engaging in any public statements, interviews, activity, deliberation or discussion pertaining to the Police Department which reasonably can be foreseen to impair the discipline, efficiency, public service, or public confidence in the Department or its personnel by:
(a) false statements, or reckless, unsupported accusations.
(b) the use of defamatory language, abusive language, invective or epithets.
Now we are finding out some of the details of Racoon Eye's push for school zone speeding cameras. Almost 50% of the city will be covered by the legislation in front of the Illinois House and Senate. Yes folks...50%! And just to show that the Mighty Midget is fair the cameras will only operate from 6am to 10pm at night. Huh? What the fuck is wrong with this little weasel. Can't flush the toilet more than twice a day because this little jagoff wants to double the cost of water. Better have that dog license or it will cost you another $100. Where in the Hell does this end? It doesn't. This little moronic prick is going to squeeze us for every dime he can. And then we have Toni Prickwankle over at the County looking down our throats. God Help Us!!!
When Mayor Twinkle Toes is done pissing down the throats of the teacher's union and the CPD and CFD unions, he will still expect the teachers to teach and the CPD and CFD to do their jobs. If not, he has no qualm about blaming others when the kids can't read and the city goes up in flames. Vote this asshole out in 4 years. A 4 legged rat has more integrity.
I am placing my call option on overtime and my put option on denied time due. We may be facing a double-dip manpower shortage. Speculators believe there will be a haircut in homicides by placing all detectives in the 7th district and eliminating the 13th district from the chicagazone.
Mundus cult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
-The world wants to be deceived, so let it be deceived.
-Latin proverb
http://tinyurl.com/3syugyx
Did George Soros meet with NYPD boss?
You know what? I'm tired. I feel like I've been kicked and booted about for 25+ years. This job used to be fun. I finally realized, that trying to change things, or worrying about how awful things are, are a waste of time.
I had it explained to me the other day. People pay lobbyists who can deliver influence. Lobbyists are paid by the people they can buy benefits for. This is the way of the world, the way of politics. Illegal shit, influence peddling,illegal contracts, and all the rest, are just how business is done.
So I'm not old enough to retire and get the hell out of here and buy an ostrich farm or get a gov't subsidy for a 'green company' that makes filet mignon out of tumbleweeds...my pension looks like it'll be gone.
I'll end up a hoarder, with 300 cats and a boa constrictor I'll name Pee Wee. I will rock in a rocking chair that squeaks and I'll watch a few sunrises and sunsets with a bottle of jack and a pail to pee in, wondering why I wasted 25 years of my life actually giving a shit when nothing really mattered. Then one day, I'll hear the freight train whistle in the distance and I will go lay on the tracks.
I would like to thank the politicians, liars, and thieves for all of their respect.
10/25/2011 11:27:00 PM
ok I missed this quote the first time. you had me laughing so hard! I love old timers humor. this is why I read the blog.
Ok. Great.
Dont let this lull you into thinking that Shields gives a DAMN about anything other than the fat checks he deposits into his savings accounts?
What about the support for the Officer in 007 that McNumbnuts is tossing under a bus?
Where is your hero Shields when he is REALLY needed?
All this pulling of a bill is going to do is let those money grubbing bastards in Springfield have a little time to craft yet another way to suck our wallets dry.
Wake UP guys. This is only smoke and mirrors. Look behind the curtain.BET YOU that you see Madigan there.
Dump the gump 2012
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http://tinyurl.com/69czglt
Occupy Oakland getting violent
Why don't the teachers , fd and pd all team up together to fight this guy...He's not going to stop till he brings all 3 of us down, and many of our families come from theses three groups....the 3 unions should work together to spread the word in the press and on tv and radio of all the shit he pulls that the general public has no clue about...rahm is scary but i don t trust madigan much further then i could throw him either....
off topic: You know what aggravates me: A police officer is forced into retirement at age 63, 2 yrs before he can get any senior benefits on water or vehicle stickers, and the city does nothing about this. I spoke to my alderman last night and asked him about this and he said to get another job (in this economy). He also said that he would bring it up at the next city council mtg, but they have to figure out how much money the city would lose by doing this.
What? you put in 20-30 yrs or more working for this city,and they make you retire before you are eligible for senior citizens rates. You receive 60 - 70% of your last salary, and are not entitled to reduced rates for water or vehicle stickers. It is mandatory to retire at 63. There are only about 5 or so a yr that are forced to retire. It's not going to cost the city that much to give them a reduced rate on city services & fees for 2 yrs.
I have a crystal ball prediction with regard to CPD pensions.
Regardless to what happens with the passage or non-passage of this bill.
The city taxpayer money that should be going towards the CPD pensions and other things will shortly be used to pay for lawsuits from protestors that are injured while demonstrating for more equity in wages and jobs. Jobs for all of us so that the middle class can make a living wage and afford to pay the taxes that fund our pensions. How ironic eh?
Why?
Oakland PD is an example. They just inadvertently provided copious amounts of video and digital photos to the media and the public with their actions last night that will win the hearts and minds of any jury. Expect similar events here shortly the way things are going.
Like the Rodney King incident I think we can expect to see replay after replay of the 24 year old US Marine Iraqi war vet that ended up hospitalized with a skull fracture from a police projectile.
To top it off when this US veteran was first hit in the head and several people ran to his aid there's several videos out there that clearly shows an Oakland officer throwing a flash grenade into the crowd where the fallen veteran was lying injuring more people.
How in the hell can we as a society place illegal immigrants on a pedestal with the apologetic government apparatus excusing their actions with statements of "they are only trying to make themselves a better life" and then treat our own citizens that are seeking a better life and even veterans the way we are?
Let the war of demonization of the protestors vs the police in the media begin.
All it takes is one person. Just one. One in the crowd throws something and one officer responds, overreacts.
Oakland looked like a third world country run by corrupt dictators. Police in para-military dress wearing body armor against unarmed citizens.
All it took was one person in the crowd to throw something to kick it off and that's when things went down hill.
Amazingly to Oakland PD's surprise I imagine. Not one shop window broken, not one fire set nor car overturned. No looting even after Oakland escalated the confrontations. The lawyers will have a field day with this.
Although I did see someone overturn a trash bin in the middle of the street in one video and about five or six people all ran over to pick up the trash and set the bin straight in less then a minute I'd say.
One of the most moving things that will make you think is where some of the protestors start throwing dollar bills at the officers and begin asking "will you protect us now?"
We should all think about that.
If it's a propaganda war just look who's winning it.
There are a minimum of over 3 billion people on this planet that are living on just two dollars a day. You can yell at them all you want to get a job and that their condition is their own fault. However I don't think that sells anymore. 21st century communications has enabled these people and they will demand something better. One percent of the population deciding how the God given natural resources of this world will be rationed out just won't cut it anymore. There's something going on here.
Thank you for reading and allowing me to post here. I hope it all made sense as I'm not much of a writer.
Can we cancel our dererred comp and take the money out?
How many day guys gave rides to FOP hall this morning?
I can't say it enough, thank you for burning your day off to go down there and support us all.
We owe all those who attended our respect.
With all the cuts in personnel, pay, furlough, etc and all the increased fees in an effort to keep Chicago afloat, has any so called politician even addressed the Alderman's pay, perks, and constant raises? I mean, it is only a PART-TIME JOB!
I spoke to my alderman last night and asked him about this and he said to get another job (in this economy)
Ya shoulda Punched that fuckin alderasshole sqaure in da puss!
Get another job.... Knock his fuckin teeth out and say get another set a teeth.
That's why I dont give an ounce a recognition to these alderassholes. They stick their hand out to shake mine... It's oricelss when I look at them and say.. "I'm Good Tx"
SCC's Post Headline:
HB 3827 Pulled - for Now
For NOW says it all people! This is right on target. The HB 3827 is not DEAD!
The timing is extremely bad with the 2012 elections around the corner, police morale in the toilet, the lack of respect for the Mayor's hand picked Superintendent, Obama's 2012 Re-Election Campaign Headquarters in Chicago and the OCCUPY CHICAGO MOVEMENT in Chicago.
With the G8 and NATO Summits coming to Chicago in a few months and the ongoing OCCUPY CHICAGO Protests occuring here now; the Mayor is terrified of a police backlash, that will capture the international news media's attention. This would negate Rahm's ability to become POTUS.
Rahm is a master machiavellian politician! Rahm knows and senses the danger in foisting a pension takeover now. Rahm is no fool, madigan is no fool either!
DO NOT RELAX on this issue, you have won NOTHING!
This HB 3827 will be back when the heat dies down and members become complacent. They might very well attach it as an addendum to some innoxious HB, that no State Representative reads in its entirety.
Remain VIGILANT and attend FOP meetings!
The FOP needs LEADERSHIP!
Looks like Racoon Eye's school/park speeding bill has passed the State Senate. You can bet fuck head Madigan has his votes lined up also. Can't believe this little rats ass is gouing to get his way on this crap.
hey, Les S---Still proud of your little prick nephew? cutting police, fire and oemc to dangerous levels and weakening the city? Your sister should have rolled over and went to sleep that night.
Fuck Rahm
Why don't the teachers , fd and pd all team up together to fight this guy...He's not going to stop till he brings all 3 of us down, and many of our families come from theses three groups....the 3 unions should work together to spread the word in the press and on tv and radio of all the shit he pulls that the general public has no clue about...rahm is scary but i don t trust madigan much further then i could throw him either....
10/26/2011 03:34:00 PM
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your words were exactly that today at the rally down in Springfield. not only the 3 you mentioned but every labor union in the state were in the rotunda today GREAT JOB !! TOGETHER WE CAN. UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL. WE STOOD UNITED TODAY, and we need to do this again to send racoon eyes the same mssge that Quinn heard echoeing the halls today. TO all those that didn't attend- SHAME ON YOU!! BUT THATS ANOTHER TOPIC FOR LATER. GREAT JOB to those brothers and especailly all the retirees
OT and this is huge.
Listen to this rat fuck in true daleyesque manner , when asked about the 500 billion dollar loan to the now bankrupt SOLYNDRA Corp.
Chicago mayor and former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel said he doesn’t recall anything about the Obama administration’s $535 million loan to the recently bankrupt solar company Solyndra.
Speaking to Chicago radio station WLS 890AM at a news conference about a new wellness initiative, Emanuel said he didn’t remember anything about the failed investment loan by the Department of Energy, which critics say was fast-tracked to fit the White House’s political agenda.
“Ya know, I’m focusing on a major announcement today for the City Of Chicago,” Emanuel said. “I don’t actually remember that or know about it. So, what I’m dealing is with what I’m dealing with here today.”
This is your mayor the same as the old jagoff.
"What the hell happened? Did Cross and the others get advance notice that Emanuel is about to be indicted and they've all turned their backs on him? We can hope..."
This might just be what is happening. The little shit should be indicted for the SOLYNDRA criminal loan made to a non-solvent company , much the same way daley let his worthless family get ahold of all that pension money. THEY SHOULD ALL BE IN JAIL.
Anonymous said...
What about the real issue which is the bill that will change our retirement eligibility dates and percentages earned? Seems like this is a bigger threat. I'm not sure of the bil name but it was going through the same time this one was.
10/26/2011 09:41:00 AM
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been under a rock !????? wtf? your ass should've been on one of those 4 busses today instead of playing like you give a fuck all of a sudden. too late !! it's been advertised for the last several weeks and we went and returned. and you didn't know, go why?
Blah, blah, blah, and more blah!
C'mon people! He will reform this pension, and make it a multiple-tier system. There's no stopping this ballerina! He fraudulently made Mayor of Shitcago, even though he wasn't living in Shitcago. He is part of the manipulative people that are running the global economy...wake up!
I can't wait for these snake politicians to try to pass bills trying to get at our deferred comp and 401k's, for the children, of course.
We really need to hope we get a change in 2012. Vote these bastards the fuck out of office!
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2011/10/chicago-races-towards-speed-cameras-while-california-backs-up.html
California, of all places, is getting rid of speed cameras
I bet Rham had a Tantrum: (Lying on the floor, feet and hands kicking, Screaming " Nothing goes my way ever ,Waaaaa!!
Anonymous said...
I have a crystal ball prediction with regard to CPD pensions.
Thank you for reading and allowing me to post here. I hope it all made sense as I'm not much of a writer.
10/26/2011 04:18:00 PM
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You are actually a very good writer. A few problems though. You failed to mention a few other important key points:
1) The Oakland P.D. were ordered to clear out the deadbeats because they were getting calls of assaults, battery, and a rape inside their encampment. And if you think that everyone of these protesters is some poor college graduate that can't find a job, then I got some condos to sell you on the Southside.
2) These protests have always traditionally attracted a sleazy criminal element of malcontents that would just like to see the world burn for their own amusement. Selfish lowlifes that were spoiled by their parents.
I'm pretty sure the hippies from the 1960's (when this country supposedly had way more job opportunities) didn't clock in and work a 9 to 5 job before they went out and threw bottles of urine at the police.
Speaking of which, the protesters in Oakland were throwing everything from paint to kitchen utensils at the police which thankfully was also caught on video.
As pointed out on this blog by other commentators, you know as sure as shit that these are the same people that voted for Obama, foolishly believing, like all over educated, but still retarded yuppies, that the government can magically save them!
Sorry to say if it hurts anybody's feelings, but a majority of these protesters need their asses kicked. Just like the naive predecessors from the 60's, they aren't going to change a government built in this country with seeds of corruption since day one. They aren't going to change anything! All they are going to do is create a mess and then cry when they get punched in the face.
"Did McSupe violate Rule 31 ?"
Those Rules & Regulations, General & Special Orders and Department Notices are for YOU.
They don't apply to the bosses.
There's even an idiot watch commander who contends that they're just guidelines.
"Now we are finding out some of the details of Racoon Eye's push for school zone speeding cameras."
Since these cameras are "for the children", will the tickets generated by them only be when the school speed limit is in force, "On School Days When Children Are Present"?
Rahm says its not about the money...
"Why don't the teachers , fd and pd all team up together to fight this guy..."
We WERE all together in Springfield today.
We DO have some philosophical differences, however. The teachers frequently support democrats...the very people stabbing them in the back at this point...
"Why don't the teachers , fd and pd all team up together to fight this guy..."
http://www.weareoneillinois.org/
"off topic: You know what aggravates me: A police officer is forced into retirement at age 63, 2 yrs before he can get any senior benefits on water or vehicle stickers, and the city does nothing about this."
Proving once again that the city doesn't give a damn about you, working or not.
One more reason to leave the city as soon as you can.
"To top it off when this US veteran was first hit in the head and several people ran to his aid there's several videos out there that clearly shows an Oakland officer throwing a flash grenade into the crowd where the fallen veteran was lying injuring more people."
That's why there will be no gas teams & that they don't trust you with anything more than the same wooden baton issued in year one.
Hey, I always read on here that the writers at the Reader are the last true journalists in this city. I am CPD, and I would like to talk to their best writer about a case that might rock this town a bit.
Sorry, I'm way north and never get it, but I know there was a guy who wasn't afraid of running some good stories on TIFS, etc.
If anyone knows his name, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
Obama College Loan Plan Aims At An Old Voting Bloc
Obama's plan will accelerate a measure passed by Congress that reduces the maximum required payment on student loans from 15 percent of discretionary income annually to 10 percent. He will put it into effect in 2012, instead of 2014. In addition, the White House says the remaining debt would be forgiven after 20 years, instead of 25.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/obama-college-loan-plan-a_0_n_1032328.html
From some of the comments here I think some of you are under the impression that this bill has been defeated and you won and it's all going to go away.
You're wrong.
The bill was set aside to presented at another point in time. Some published reports suggest that the bill will be presented in the spring closer to contract negotiation time in over to create a sense of urgency.
You know the old sense of urgency trick don't you? Talk to your local used car salesmen as they use it all the time to push someone that is on the edge of making an agreement into making the deal NOW. You know I can't guarantee that this car will still be on the lot if you leave. (don't want you to be shopping around)
You see the sense of urgency on the home shopping club with the little clock timer counting down in the corner like time is running out hurry-hurry decide now..
Oh no..this bill. They are going to use this bill. I'll bet there is much more that is going to come down right after NATOG8 and that is the perfect time. For one the summits will be history and they'll don't have to worry as much about moral. Second, the contract will be up right? This Pension CRISIS can be used as a tool for other concessions yet to be seen.
Obama Campaign Drops The George W. Bush Talking Point
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/obama-campaign-george-w-bush_n_1031592.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing6%7Cdl7%7Csec1_lnk3%7C107736
WOW! It's NOT Bush's fault after all!
Liz said...
off topic: You know what aggravates me: A police officer is forced into retirement at age 63, 2 yrs before he can get any senior benefits on water or vehicle stickers, and the city does nothing about this. I spoke to my alderman last night and asked him about this and he said to get another job (in this economy). He also said that he would bring it up at the next city council mtg, but they have to figure out how much money the city would lose by doing this.
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We need to tell every single person that keeps telling others to "just get a job" that they need to do the math. I'm tired too.
Tired of this myth that ALL of the unemployed are lazy and that there are jobs out there.
Tell them to do the math
The BLS reports unemployment at 14 million people. The U6 number that includes the underemployed about doubles that 14 million to almost 28 million -- then there's a reported 3 million alleged "open jobs" waiting to be filled. Do the math.
HOWEVER, as we all know from personal experience at the CPD -- how many of these open jobs are really "open and available"?
Many go unfilled...in the thousands at CPD alone right?
Do you think that the alleged 3 million so-called job openings are like the CPD jobs that never get filled?
Think about it. Why would a company post a job opening like a position is available when there is no intention to hire anyone. I'll tell you. The manager comes in under budget and gets a bonus. The manager created the image he needed 10 people to do a job and got by with 8. See how good a job he did? These job opening numbers are intentionally inflated so while the reported numbers say that there are 3 million openings the actual numbers are far less.
Don't even get me started on the creating an illusion of a qualified high tech worker shortage by leaving these positions open to justify foreign H1-B visa applications that can be exploited as slave labor at half the wages.
Yeah..I hear you. I'm tired too.
What do you suppose would happen if a private employer did not make his half of his employees contribution into the employees social security plan?
He'd probably get locked up for some kind of fraud right?
So why are these people that are doing it to our pensions getting away with it.
They ignore their signed contractual commitments with no consequences. In fact they are personally rewarded for doing it with added perks that are not in their own contracts. I mean where is it agreed to that he ex-mayor gets never ending drivers and security. I don't remember an employment agreement where the taxpayers agreed to provide this to the mayor and some of the aldermen into perpetuity.
Bottom line folks is as follows, people voted for these asshole politicians. that's the bottom line, however we need our union presidents to address this with these assholes, make them know that they serve us, we don't serve them, there is strength in numbers, that is a given, we ned to punish the bad pols at election time, make them weat a little just like we do when they try to take stuff away from us. Put their feet to the fire, and by the way, WE ARE THE FIRE, stay united.
"Sorry to say if it hurts anybody's feelings, but a majority of these protesters need their asses kicked."
Maybe so, but I thought the job of the police was to serve and protect. Not to kick ass of people the police thinks are stupid.
And I certainly don't think the Marine who served two tours of duty in Iraq and came home safely serving our country overseas deserved when he attempted to exercise his First Amendment rights at home to have his skull fractured by a tear gas canister or to have his friends have flash grenades thrown at them when they tried to pick him up so they could take him to the hospital where is still tonight in critical condition.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-rt-us-usa-wallstreet-protests-oaklandtre79q01f-20111026,0,3883239.story
WASHINGTON- Congressman Joe Walsh (IL-8) sent a letter today to Attorney General Eric Holder demanding his resignation for the role he played in the subsequent cover-up of the failed Fast and Furious operation. This operation and his role in it have raised serious doubts about the Attorney General‘s ability to uphold and defend the law and actually complete the job he was appointed to do.
WTF, I'm glad that those who voiced their concern for the bullshit they tried to pull, let me say Thank You for your effort.
The job is not over, the politicians ar e literally out of control.
But wait, is it all pensions or is just those "blue collar types".
I'd like to see the politicians step to the plate first to rewrite their pensions first, then maybe I'd give them the time of day to listen to them, then tell them to shove it up their ass.
How much of a cattle prod do the sheep need to wake up and vote for actions, not words or better yet, vote for who they want and not what some asshole in their union tell them to......
Probably asking for too much here
Rep. Cross is reintroducing SB512. We fought this last spring. To stay up to date on pension news go to www.facebook.com/firstresponderpensionfacts and LIKE the page.
With all the cuts in personnel, pay, furlough, etc and all the increased fees in an effort to keep Chicago afloat, has any so called politician even addressed the Alderman's pay, perks, and constant raises? I mean, it is only a PART-TIME JOB!
10/26/2011 05:39:00 PM
They already addressed and took care of that little problem. They ALL got an increase in their unchecked expense funds. Now suck up to the fact that you and your greedy pension are the cause of all the world's problems!
-Rham
"Now we are finding out some of the details of Racoon Eye's push for school zone speeding cameras."
Since these cameras are "for the children", will the tickets generated by them only be when the school speed limit is in force, "On School Days When Children Are Present"?
Rahm says its not about the money...
10/26/2011 08:11:00 PM
or then how about racoon eyes uses the money generated to fund the school teachers pensions. then he can concentrate on our pensions as well as the firemen's.
I'll end up a hoarder, with 300 cats and a boa constrictor I'll name Pee Wee. I will rock in a rocking chair that squeaks and I'll watch a few sunrises and sunsets with a bottle of jack and a pail to pee in, wondering why I wasted 25 years of my life actually giving a shit when nothing really mattered. Then one day, I'll hear the freight train whistle in the distance and I will go lay on the tracks.
I would like to thank the politicians, liars, and thieves for all of their respect.
10/25/2011 11:27:00 PM
Now, THAT is one of the funniest comments I have read in a long time--I emailed it to many others. May God Bless you, you salty veteran. The politicians did you wrong, but you lived your life right! May God watch over the troops of the CPD while Rahm and his evil friends try to destroy everything that is good.
"I wouldn't trust any of these sneaky sell out bastard politcians."
I'm with you! Obviously it won't stop here. There will be another bill and another and another.
This will require eternal vigilance.
You're kidding yourself if you think this is over.
We've won one battle. The war continues.
rb
There's even an idiot watch commander who contends that they're just guidelines.
10/26/2011 08:07:00 PM
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was it Lt D.S. from one of the 3 districts that are closing who contended that? because he speaks like that you know. especially when he rambles off where you cant even understand a dam word he says..... looks like midnites is calling deano
Anonymous said...
Can we cancel our dererred comp and take the money out?
10/26/2011 04:55:00 PM
Yes but you will be taxed at a higher rate I believe.
A big thank you to all of you that took the trip, FOP, and SSC.
I/F
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Can we cancel our dererred comp and take the money out?
10/26/2011 04:55:00 PM
Yes but you will be taxed at a higher rate I believe.
10/27/2011 02:06:00 AM
Not unless you retire or resign. The only other way is "sudden and unforeseen emergencies." They will demand complete explanation on these "emergencies" along with support documentation.
What the usual copper strapped for cash might consider an emergency usually will not cut it. It must be something like severe sickness in the family along with inability to carry on financially. You know, a real emergency.
If you take your money out of our 457 plan (defered comp)before you retire and reach age 50 you must pay taxes and a 10% early withdrawal penalty. You must be retired and at leaset age 50 to get the money out without paying the 10% early withdrawal penalty.There may be some exceptions for emergency withdrawal, but I believe they are very limited. It is almost never a wise thing to do.
If anyone knows his name, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
10/26/2011 08:36:00 PM
Ben Javorski. You can probably e-mail him at the paper's website. The Reader comes out on Thurs, and you can find it all over the City. It should be in your District at libraries, corners and stores.
God, I hope you aren't a detective.
With the expose of the union leaders getting their city pensions based on the union pay and not their city salary, I have yet to hear about the FOP officials. What is their pension based on? FOP pay ( which is much higher then city pay) or the pay grade of their police department position? I wonder?
Anonymous said...
"Sorry to say if it hurts anybody's feelings, but a majority of these protesters need their asses kicked."
Maybe so, but I thought the job of the police was to serve and protect. Not to kick ass of people the police thinks are stupid.
And I certainly don't think the Marine who served two tours of duty in Iraq and came home safely serving our country overseas deserved when he attempted to exercise his First Amendment rights at home to have his skull fractured by a tear gas canister or to have his friends have flash grenades thrown at them when they tried to pick him up so they could take him to the hospital where is still tonight in critical condition.
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Nope, but if you commit an act of battery, such as throwing paint, utensils, and other objects to hit the police, you are not only acting stupidly, but you are also acting violently, then yes, you can and will get your ass kicked.
I do not know the marine personally, so I cannot say whether or not he deserved what happened to him. If he was a good guy, then this was a tragedy. However, the uninformed need to realize that when you protest like this, bad things can happen.
Again, the police just didn't shoot these canisters off for their own amusement, they did it because they were facing violence and resistance from the protesters when they tried to infiltrate their encampment to answer emergency calls of assistance for battery and rape.
Thanks for posting the video link but it only shows part of the story. Try to look at things without a narrow view.
Cullerton was on tv talking about the casinos and how illinoisans go spend there dollars in other states. A casino lobbyist that works for the the other vanecko slot machine llc, commented "i wonder what mayor emanuel has to say with his chicago casino being held up". Who gives a shit! Now we're told reinsdorf got 3.2 million in corporate welfare for his bacardi club@u.s. cellular field, plus another 2million in sewer and water improvements. Money he Doesnt have to pay back! Thanks to the "oscar wilde" jim thompson, whose as guilty as any of those other crooks, madigan, cullerton and the retired o'bama mentor, emil jones, in bringing the land of lincoln to the brink of bankruptcy. We are going to lose our pensions, have our water bills quadruple, we are getting nickled and dimed when buying a car, city sticker, dog license, not shoveling snow, etc. The next elections are going to be pivotal. Incumbants have to go! They have become to comfortable sticking it to their constituants. They seem to relish in rubber stamping everything shortshanks and now 9.5 throws out there on the council floor. There is almost 1 billion dollars in your "tif" money, almost 2.1 billion dollars in the selling of our public assets. Thats why 9.5 can give the chicago merchantile exchange, accenture, kraft, there tax breaks to move their offices here. Not bring jobs here, but bring their offices and their current employees here. Have you seen any hiring lines in any of the offices, where we, the tax payer funded, these corporate moves, willis, accenture, motorola, cme, lets not forget boeing. Thousands of jobs moved and were helped to stay here, by the chicago taxpayer. How many chicagoan's were hired, out of those thousands positions? The only thing keeping the working middleclass in this city has been public employees, who have to live here, with no waivers. Most if not all love their city, their neighborhood, but city hall likes contention, because it hides their evil doing. Citizens please become informed, read everything and anything, besides the suntimes, tribune. The internet has plenty of blogs, SCC, we love you, sites, that will allow you to see why our city and state are in this predicament. The same players, thompson, joyce, burke, madigan, cullerton, daley, mell, solis, reyes, natarus, stone, beale, beavers, are all players that are the reasons we are were we are. Some have been voted out or retired, but are still the players behind the scenes stealing your tax dollars Time for a revolution. If saddam, quadaffi can get their comuppence, we are a peaceful democracy, living in a communist one party ruled fiefdom. Time for a change, time to get our canidates ready and put an end to the lunatics running this asylum. G-d bless the CPD.
Anonymous said...
Purchased gun. Card for NRA was in box. Joined for 25 bucks. Got hat and bullet pen with three thousand free gun insurance. American rifleman magazine included for a year. Good reading. Conceal carry in Illinois will happen , only a matter of time. Regardless, I will be armed. Our constitution says I can be.
10/26/2011 10:36:00 AM
If you are NOT the police,contact me at spooge60638@yahoo.com and I will get you started on your way to getting a CCW licence good for 40+ states.
Remember there are THIRSTY cops out there that will in a heartbeat violate your 2nd Amendment rights all for the sake of a 'gun pinch'.
You have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to keep(own) and bear(carry) arms.
NO ONE including the Mighty 9.5 can stop you from this. Remember Illinois is the ONLY state in the Country that REFUSES to abide by the US CONSTITUTION and SUPREME COURT in this matter.
Contact me at the above email as I also am a 20 year Instructor with NRA and will gladly teach you concealment methods and shooting disciplines.
Congrats on your purchase!
As I posted in a previous topic but especially poignant again on this post...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SORRY, but although retired, I definitely could not make the trip for personal reasons.
However, my extreme gratitude to those who sacrificed their 'personal' obligations to attend on my behalf on the Springfield buses.
Each and every one of you make me proud once again to having been a member of... "Chicago's Finest!"
THANK YOU ONE AND ALL!
ol' vet retired
10/25/2011 09:07:00 PM
What? you put in 20-30 yrs or more working for this city,and they make you retire before you are eligible for senior citizens rates. You receive 60 - 70% of your last salary, and are not entitled to reduced rates for water or vehicle stickers. It is mandatory to retire at 63. There are only about 5 or so a yr that are forced to retire. It's not going to cost the city that much to give them a reduced rate on city services & fees for 2 yrs.
10/26/2011 03:45:00 PM
Who in their right mind would stay in this shithole city OR state after they retire??
With the expose of the union leaders getting their city pensions based on the union pay and not their city salary, I have yet to hear about the FOP officials. What is their pension based on? FOP pay ( which is much higher then city pay) or the pay grade of their police department position? I wonder?
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FOP and PBPA only receive their pension from whatever rank they are.
The FOP president receives deputy chiefs pay and the other 6 FOP officials receive captains pay.
HOWEVER, ALL 7 members that work in the FOP office are paid by YOU the FOP members with YOUR dues from each paycheck.
All monies that they are paid from by the city must be reinbured to the city.
The sergeants PBPA have 2 elected officials at their office on Pershing Road.
They ONLY receive their sergeants pay.
However it's the same thing, they must reinbuse the city for their pay.
The sergeants pay their salary through dues.
The LTs and Captains do not NOT have any office.
If you get 3 months or more behind in your mortgage you can take emergency funds out of your deffered comp. to catch up. Will have to pay some fees, taxes, but if you are in a jam situation you just have to provide documentation from mortgage lender.
Just like Dracula you won't be able to put this pension bill to rest until you get those wooden stakes and stick one in Cross, Madigan and Cullerton. Oh look...I found an extra stake...come here Racoon Eyes....
What? you put in 20-30 yrs or more working for this city,and they make you retire before you are eligible for senior citizens rates. You receive 60 - 70% of your last salary, and are not entitled to reduced rates for water or vehicle stickers. It is mandatory to retire at 63. There are only about 5 or so a yr that are forced to retire. It's not going to cost the city that much to give them a reduced rate on city services & fees for 2 yrs.
10/26/2011 03:45:00 PM
Who in their right mind would stay in this shithole city OR state after they retire??
10/27/2011 03:59:00 PM
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Who? Those of us with elderly parents who aren't budging. Those of us with other deep community ties. Those of us with kids finishing a twelve-year school track. Those of us who would take a hundred thousand dollar hit by selling our house in this economy. Those of us with medical issues and established relationships with our doctors and/or hospitals. That's who.
If anyone knows his name, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
10/26/2011 08:36:00 PM
Ben Javorski. You can probably e-mail him at the paper's website. The Reader comes out on Thurs, and you can find it all over the City. It should be in your District at libraries, corners and stores.
God, I hope you aren't a detective.
10/27/2011 08:06:00 AM
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And I hope YOU aren't a detective, either. The man's name is JORAVSKY, not Javorski.
To the below question and the response below the question I believe you did nothing to answer the question. All police and fire elected union officials in chicago have their pension based on their civil service rank attained prior to being elected as a union official. Put another way, they receive the same pension that they would have received if they were never elected as a union official. Their extra union pay has never been pensionable and never will be. I think this throughly answers this question.
YOUR DUES Pay Them said...
With the expose of the union leaders getting their city pensions based on the union pay and not their city salary, I have yet to hear about the FOP officials. What is their pension based on? FOP pay ( which is much higher then city pay) or the pay grade of their police department position? I wonder?
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FOP and PBPA only receive their pension from whatever rank they are.
The FOP president receives deputy chiefs pay and the other 6 FOP officials receive captains pay.
HOWEVER, ALL 7 members that work in the FOP office are paid by YOU the FOP members with YOUR dues from each paycheck.
All monies that they are paid from by the city must be reinbured to the city.
The sergeants PBPA have 2 elected officials at their office on Pershing Road.
They ONLY receive their sergeants pay.
However it's the same thing, they must reinbuse the city for their pay.
The sergeants pay their salary through dues.
The LTs and Captains do not NOT have any office.
10/27/2011 04:50:00 PM
The state found $5.2 million to hand over to multi-millionare Rheinsdorf and the same state can't put a fucking dime into underfunded pensions. And the state wanted this cheap crooked bastard Rheinsdorf to share some of the restaurant profits and he says...no. Close that fucking place down and use it for the homeless this winter. A nice kithen to cook hot meals for the less fortunate and plenty of room for cots. Fuck these selfish greedy rich bastards fucking the tax payers! Gee I wonder if Daley, Madigan, and Cullerton had anything to do with this secret sweet heart deal. Do I smell Venecko crawlers around? Remember the restaurant in Millinium Park. Those connected fuckers pay no rent and pay no taxes for the property. What the FUCK!
Rapes you sound like Joe Biden , I guess cracking her in the head with a teargas canister will knock her senseless so she doesnt remeber the rape . I don't believe anyone was raped that sounds like the crime is down stats used by the city.
3813 pulled for now, police and fire amendments to be addressed later. (see Amendments 4 and 5 which were dropped prior to passage) For example: Bill Dougherty -- 9 years of service, 12 years of leave of absence. As it is now, he will not get pension credit for pay at Step 9 only at Step 6 (when his leave started). don't worry guys, Dougherty and Aguilar will make sure that this is addressed, or they will retire before effective date. Hmmm, stay tuned.
Wow its amazing no more teargas and a whole bunch of apologizes, be the super cop if you want to and do something that brings attention to the department you will be on your own . And this city doesn't have the reputation for standing behind it's police .
Anonymous said...
Rapes you sound like Joe Biden , I guess cracking her in the head with a teargas canister will knock her senseless so she doesnt remeber the rape . I don't believe anyone was raped that sounds like the crime is down stats used by the city.
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And you write like Corky Thatcher after a lobotomy. One of those tear gas canisters must have hit you in the head from back in the day. Believe what you want, (probably in leprechauns and talking mannequins at the dept. store) but some protesters are scumbags that commit criminal acts. GFY
If you are close to retirement , please do the math. I have been retired almost 5 years. I moved to arizona 3 years ago. I realize they have an income tax but I save on other items. My real estate taxes are less than half of what I paid in chicago. My auto insurance for 2 cars went down 40%. My biggest electric bill so far has been 267 in august. All told, I sat down and figured I was saving 450 to 500 a month by living in a stress free and beautiful environment. I am sure the florida or tenn. would have been more advantageous but I settled for arizona. It was difficult, especially with the wife and family, but it was the best for us. Just think about staying in chicago-- I left and my real estate taxes were 5600 at my age 60. I imagine that by 70 my real estate taxes would be 9000-- huge percentage change out of your pension.
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