Bogus Tickets?
- A Northwest Side community feels under siege after being blanketed with tickets by a Chicago police officer.
CBS 2′s Dave Savini investigated the cases of suburbanites being ticketed in Chicago for not having a city sticker.
Mike Spilotro’s sister lives in North Riverside, and her car is registered there. It even has a Riverside sticker in the car window.
But she received more than 20 tickets in two and a half weeks while visiting Spilotro’s Chicago home. Each one is for $120, which totals up to thousands of dollars in fines.
Must be an awfully close sister to be visiting her brother twenty times in seventeen or eighteen days. In fact, this sounds exactly like her primary residence is in fact, in Chicago. Did Channel 2 ask for proof of residence North Riverside? Driver's license? Voter registration card? Gas bill? Nope - all unasked and unanswered questions. Let's let this investigation run its course. We have a feeling there's more sloppy reporting here than sloppy police work.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
166 Comments:
This is the latest scam to avoid buying a city sticker.
They have their vehicles registered in the suburbs/Indiana, yet live here.
I've got two on my block.
I took photos of them and sent them to Streets/San and the Ald. office.
These vehicles are parked here EVERY night, yet no city stickers.
The one broad told me that she lives in the northern suburbs and her drivers license says so!
I'm a neighbor of the Spillatro's. She is and has been a resident of chicago all of her life. She is just avoiding the sticker cost. The whole family is a group of scammers.
hundreds of vehicles parked in the ghettos of area 1 and area 2 are registered to suburban addresses, but the driver's license comes back to the city address where the car is parked. hmmm what does the ordinance say? can we write those?
now scc you know better..
All that is needed is a box of stuff in the basement and the intent to move back home to make that her residence. Unless of course the law is different for different people...right?
/sarcasm
Often, in a 'news' story, it's all about who told their story first. Kind of like when the kids run to you, 'daddy, daddy, big brother hit me'. You tend to believe whatever you hear first.
Unless you're the police. Then you know there are three sides to the story - his side, her side, and the truth.
The media has forgotten they are supposed to be the truth-SEEKERS; they are satisfied to broadcast whatever they hear first.
W T F ?
What's the deal with North Riverside?
All of the vehicles in this report were allegedly licensed there.
Ch 2 got their large audience to see a story that was bad about cops. Being truthful or accurate doesn't matter. Ratings matter.
as a p.o i still gotta disagree. If you run that plate and it comes back out of the city then you CANT ticket it period. If you know they are bogus or whatever it doesnt matter. Of course these people are scamming. Obviously, but why put yourself in the trick bag so you can check off with those parkers. come one, its not worth it. The copper was being just as bogus as the people he was giving the parkers to. The truth hurts sometimes... for this one there is no excuse. It makes us all look bad. If you work in 025 and you cant find a bad guy to lock up legitimately then you need to find a new line of work. Boys and girls, this is not the time or place to do things the way they use to be done.
Hold on. Did the copper ask for any of the proofs of residence? The only information he is to go on when writing that parker is if the car is registered to the city or not. If not, then it's horse shit he wrote it anyway. Now I hate the media, but any light shed on the fucked up practices of city sticker enforcement, I'll applaud any day. I'll start writing tickets and generating revenue for this city when the people who run it start to give a shit about the taxpayers who live here. Till then, they can fuck off, and from what little I've read, this copper needs to pull his head from his ass.
"SPILOTRO"?? GEE, why doz dat name ring a bell?
The investigators from the City Clerk's office have told me to just keep writing city sticker tickets to the scammers who clearly reside in the city but register their vehicles elsewhere. Sometimes I write the person's actual address in the blank space in the lower right-hand corner. I'm sure they keep on beating the tickets by mailing in copies of their out-of-city registration, but it's better than nothing. The City Clerk's office and Depts of Revenue and Administrative Hearings need to do a better job.
And you can always inform the City Clerk of city sticker scofflaws here, too:
http://www.cityofchicago.org/city/en/depts/other/provdrs/clerk/svcs/city_vehicle_stickerviolation.html
how many michigan-ohio and indy plates in bucktown-wicker park-wrigleyville and uptown area that are bogus? they live here but wish to avoid sticker fees and higher insurance costs. thousands of scammers.
I was thinking the same thing. My guess is the neighbors complained about all the parking being taken up by this family and the large number of people who are living in the house...
YUP!!!!!!
ONCE AGAIN . . .
The broken wristed
LIBERAL PUKE MEDIA has their head
UP THEIR ASS.
Perhaps EVERYONE here that knows the scam that these residents of CHICAGO are pulling should email Dave SAVINI at CBS 2 and tell him to WAKE UP and learn how to find the truth.
His email address is:
dvsavini@cbs.com
thought he was buried in a corn field in indiana?
my neighbors never buy city stickers They all register their cars in suburbia Fuck them!! Hooray Officer Sanabria
I posted earlier on this, total nonsense...
Whats that last name again?
Mike Spilotro’s
Oh, thats right...
You ever think maybe sis is watching bro's kids or something?
If her car is registered in a suburb AND has a valid suburban sticker it seems like the officer in question is being a dumbass.
Has he conducted surveillance to see how long she stays at her brothers house? Perhaps Sheriff Dart can lend some CCSPD officers for this important investigation.
Personal vendetta of some type?
Remember the guy from Orland who was getting bogus parking tickets because he may have previously dated some officer's girlfriend?
Wait to see how this shakes out.
In the meantime hard working officers such as Spilotro should run the plates before issuing a ticket for violation of a CITY ordinance.
Sounds like the bozo in 18 writing tickets for people having a current city sticker and not removing their old stickers.
Oh shit. I just gave Spilotro another opportunity to utilize his writing skills.
Actually the same thing happened to my Dads car - registered to the suburbs with a suburban village sticker. While he was visiting me he was ticketed for no city sticker - in my driveway!
There you go spouting off without knowing the law! I thought you guy are the police? Find out what the laws say regarding how residency is determined (for city stickers), and start writing! I didn’t see the piece on TV but I’ll bet that neither the Commander nor the Alderman was interviewed. They both back the copper [hard to believe in this day and age] because it’s the law.
As far as ‘Spillatro’ goes I believe the family is connected but their connection is to the “European Travelers”.
Part of the article says “CBS 2′s Dave Savini investigated” NO HE DIDN’T. Doesn’t this fall in the same category as the nine year old who wanted to have a gun when he grew up and CBS cut away before he finished his comment ‘ because I going to be the police when I get older’. Looks like there is more real news on the cutting room floor then gets on the air at CBS!
This is the latest scam to avoid buying a city sticker.
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latest scam? this has been going on forever pal
as a p.o i still gotta disagree. If you run that plate and it comes back out of the city then you CANT ticket it period. If you know they are bogus or whatever it doesnt matter. Of course these people are scamming. Obviously, but why put yourself in the trick bag so you can check off with those parkers. come one, its not worth it. The copper was being just as bogus as the people he was giving the parkers to. The truth hurts sometimes... for this one there is no excuse. It makes us all look bad. If you work in 025 and you cant find a bad guy to lock up legitimately then you need to find a new line of work. Boys and girls, this is not the time or place to do things the way they use to be done.
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
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ya, i agree. But I wonder if your insurance can deny you if they find out you lied about where you live. I pay higher rates due to my zip code. If you hit a kid and the insurance will have to pay out millions, I would guess they'd try to say you falsified your info. ?
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
No, you need to pull YOUR head out of YOUR ass!
The KEY to the question of where you register your vehicle is the "situs" of the vehicle (the place where something is held to be located in law)... Basically, where is it primarily GARAGED or kept.
If this officer is seeing these vehicles parked on the city streets overnight, it's OBVIOUS these people don't want to buy a city sticker from Chicago. Keep in mind that not only is a suburban sticker going to be much cheaper, but they will also save lot$ of money on auto insurance, aka insurance fraud.
From the office of the city clerk:
Q. My car is registered outside of Chicago. Am I still required to display a City Sticker on my car?
A. Yes, as long as you are a resident of Chicago. Residents include all people who own or rent property in Chicago, regardless of whether or not Chicago is your primary home. New residents must obtain and display a City sticker in 30 days.
So, did anyone look to see if Rahm purchased a city sticker while he was in Washington?
Also (I know it doesn't apply here)
Q. I do not own property in Chicago but instead rent an apartment. Am I still required to display a City Sticker on my car?
A. Yes, renters must obtain and properly display a city sticker.
I know Officer Sanabria. He is one of the hardest working Officers on this job. There is no way he would write these cars unless he had all his ducks in order. I'd be willing to bet a years salary that he did alot of research before he wrote a single ticket.
To 12:27- Read the ordinance. You can and should write a car for this violation if the car is used and garaged principally in Chicago. We all have relatives that live in the burbs that we could register our cars too if not for the fact that it is illegal.
I commend Officer Sanabria. Officer, can you please,please come to work in 016. I will point about a dozen cars that belong to my neighbors out to you. They all reside right here in Chicago, they car their cars right here in Chicago but they register them to either their summer homes in Wisconsin or their offices in the burbs. If I have to buy a city sticker, don't they?
LET HER SIGN THE CR NUMBER AFFIDAVIT.
THEN DO A REAL INVESTIGATION THEN LOCK HER ASS UP IT WOULD BE A GREAT STORY.
IPRA IS DOING THE INVESTIGATION THEN THEY PROBABLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN BACKGROUNDS ON HOUSE WIVES!
One Friday night, I was driving down Rush St. when traffic was nearly at a standstill. Some idiot had a car, with a suburban city sticker, double parked causing a HUGE bottleneck. I wrote a parker and put it on the car and was set to leave when the driver came out and began berating me for writing him because he was "only there a few minutes" and didn't I have some killers to catch etc, (you all know the drill). I told him I caught a killer earlier in the evening and HE said didn't I have some traffic violators to arrest, but I digress.
So, I ask Mr A**hole for his DL and he has an address on North Lake Shore Drive. I ask where is his Chicago city sticker? He says he doesn't need one because he owns a company that is in the suburbs and it is a company car and THAT is where he registers the vehicle.
I explained that since he LIVES in Chicago and that the vehicle is PARKED in Chicago every night, he needed to purchase a Chicago city sticker for this vehicle. He insisted he didn't because it was registered to his company in the suburbs and he continued to yell at me.
Mr. A**hole then did that stupid thing that people should NEVER do to a Police Officer... When I told him I could write him a ticket for failing to purchase a city sticker, he said "YOU CAN'T DO THAT! I WANT YOUR BADGE NUMBER! I KNOW PEOPLE AND I CAN GET YOU FIRED!"
In court, Mr A**hole shows up with a lawyer who calmly hands the judge the registration card for his newly purchased Chicago vehicle sticker. The judge asks the lawyer to show ME the registration and was I satisfied... I told the judge that Mr. A**hole was very disrespectful on the street and I didn't appreciate it. The judge told Mr. A**hole that in lieu of the fact that the vehicle was now in compliance with the law, that he was inclined to dismiss the tickets if he were willing to apologize for his behavior towards me.
Though, to this day, I could swear I saw steam coming out of Mr. A**holes' ears, Mr. A**hole apologized to me for his behavior and everyone in that courtroom hopefully learned a lesson that day!
Thank you, your honor!
The City could make MILLION$ if they put an officer at the exit of the indoor parking garages of all of the high rises around the Gold Coast and Lincoln Park and cited all of the cars coming out of there each morning without city stickers.
Oh, but THOSE are the rich people who don't have to obey the laws... sort of like our Mayor who shouldn't be Mayor because he didn't REALLY live here.
Inspectors check our lots, in one instance, someone used their mothers car, registered in the burbs, on a daily basis to come to work. The result was a day suspension, pay fine , buy a city sticker & pay the late fee.
I believe the ordinance states ;
" operated within the city". -
(can't contest that one) and if so, the Rev Dept will be writing those too. Will Ch.2 do a follow up?
Wasn't someone in 023 just written up for no city/exp plates? CBS will probably be watching our lots again. This would be the Part 2 of the exposè.
Anyway, the days of hiding your suburban registered car to avoid paying
21CENTS A DAY ($ 0.21) are over.
I say to Channel 2 - Research the ordinance, follow the car that's in question, like you do for the handicap placard abuse before throwing us under the bus. BTW, did the Mayor buy a Chicago City Sticker when he was a DC Resident?
Write the out of state regulars too. Burden of proof is on them.
Send the plates to the SOS they will check it out and if the vehicle registration is different than the DL they will "follow up"...
also, if the owner registered via US mail it's also mail fraud.....J-FLED you listening??????
I can think the correct address would be Las Vegas
Sent this to Savini via e-mail:
Seems like some pretty shoddy reporting when you didn't even ATTEMPT to prove that these people actually LIVED in the suburb other than to just say so.
Why do you media people love to bash the police so much? Is it because you know they are not allowed, by Department regulations, to respond to your accusations and innuendos?
By the way, the reason those tickets are being dismissed is primarily because the City, in addition to refusing to HIRE police officers, is also refusing to pay the officers to attend court whenever possible, thus the officers are not at these hearings to contest the testimony of these people.
Sad to see what passes as "investigative reporting" these days. Why didn't you just do a fluff piece on Halloween Pet Costumes? It would have been more enjoyable and factual.
FYI If one of those cars with out of state plates is caught transporting groceries or basically anything from one point in Ill to another point in Ill without leaving the state it is a violation of intrastate commerice. SOS would love that pinch. I know I am being picky but sometimes thats the only way to get them.
Should there even be a city sticker?
Guys conduct a traffic stop and obtain the insurance information of the scammer. Then contact the insurance company and the Attorney Genral's Office. Prepare a case report, it is insurance fraud.
Plain and simple reside in Chicago you must have sticker, doesn't matter where you register the car....write away...you got to buy them
3-56-020 License required.
It shall be unlawful for any motor vehicle owner residing within the city to use, or to cause or permit any of the owner’s agents, employees, lessees, licensees or bailees, to use, any motor vehicle or any other vehicle upon the public ways of the city or upon any city-owned property, unless such vehicle is licensed as provided in this chapter. Trailers are exempted from this license requirement. There shall be a presumption that any vehicle parked in any public garage, as defined in Chapter 4-232, or any parking lot open to pedestrian traffic, used the public ways to arrive at its location. Commercial motor vehicles, as defined in Section 1-111.8 of the Illinois Vehicle Code, codified as 625 ILCS 5/1-111.8, as amended, which are registered pursuant to the International Registration Plan shall be exempt from the licensing requirements of this chapter.
The owner of a motor vehicle or any other vehicle who resides in the city but maintains a situs or base of such vehicle located outside of the city shall be entitled to a credit against the appropriate license fee provided for herein in the amount of any wheel tax license fee paid for such vehicle to the municipality where such vehicle is based; provided, however, that in no event shall the license fee be reduced to an amount less then* the wheel tax license fee for passenger automobiles
Sounds like someone dropped a dime on the sister.
---not a cop
The copper was being just as bogus as the people he was giving the parkers to. The truth hurts sometimes... for this one there is no excuse. It makes us all look bad. If you work in 025 and you cant find a bad guy to lock up legitimately then you need to find a new line of work. Boys and girls, this is not the time or place to do things the way they use to be done.
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
I can see where a P.O. that is conscientious and does his job might offend a lazy asshole like you.
This is the kind of shit Emmanuel should be rooting out to try and fill his budget hole instead of sticking it to the citizens, in the form of increased fees, who have paid their share over the years.
What a budgethole.
Read the law. If the owner resides in the city and owns the vehicle it doesn't matter where the car is registered to it needs a city sticker. So keep writing.
To discourage this they should have parking permit on that block.. At least make them buy the temporary permits and if there is a pattern then boom proof of residency needs to be prooved.....
New scam? LMAO this has been happening since city stickers were invented. I would do the same thing if i could. Fuck this city and their fees!
I register ALL my vehicles to my out of state summer home AND park in the lot at work. I DARE any boss or inspector to try and gig me. I got a little somethin'-somethin' for them. All they need to do is start their little paper trail. Bosses that don't know the laws should be the last ones trying to enforce those same laws. My hook and bait is in the water, come get it dummies, and make me a well-compensated-for-my-troubles officer. I wouldn't mind retiring with a few hundred more hours on the books to cash-in and a lot more cash in my pocket.
Any car parked overnight on a city street is fair game.
Way too many cars out there registered to family homes outside the city. Fraud, nothing more. What does their DL come back to? City address?
According to the department of revenue if they reside in the city they are required to get a sticker regardless of where the vehicle is registered. This is from the department of revenue frequently asked questions section.
Q. My car is registered outside of Chicago. Am I still required to display a City Sticker on my car?
A. Yes, as long as you are a resident of Chicago. Residents include all people who own or rent property in Chicago, regardless of whether or not Chicago is your primary home. New residents must obtain and display a City sticker in 30 days.
W T F ?
What's the deal with North Riverside?
All of the vehicles in this report were allegedly licensed there.
11/02/2011 12:23:00 AM
The deal with North Riverside is that the cost of a vehicle sticker is $10.00. It is a one time fee.
You'll run across nonsense in the Montclare area (beats 2513,2512) of Chicago. They have the same zip as Elmwood Pk. So you run one of their plates it comes back to a city address, but with Elmwood park as the town. (Even though its Chicago)
as a p.o i still gotta disagree. If you run that plate and it comes back out of the city then you CANT ticket it period. If you know they are bogus or whatever it doesnt matter. Of course these people are scamming. Obviously, but why put yourself in the trick bag so you can check off with those parkers. come one, its not worth it. The copper was being just as bogus as the people he was giving the parkers to. The truth hurts sometimes... for this one there is no excuse. It makes us all look bad. If you work in 025 and you cant find a bad guy to lock up legitimately then you need to find a new line of work. Boys and girls, this is not the time or place to do things the way they use to be done.
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
--You can't be the police. You sure CAN write a car that's registered outside the city. Read up on the 'wheel tax' ordinance, dunce.
If a car is garaged here more than a month, if its primary use is on the streets of Chicago (read: wear and tear on our streets), it needs a city sticker EVEN IF THE PLATES ARE OUT OF STATE. Lots of police used to title the car in Wisconsin, then park in the cpd lots. They got written for no city sticker consistently and they lost. Sometimes, it means a car has to have a suburban sticker where it's registered AND a Chicago sticker, but, oh well. That's how life is, sometimes.
The officer is legally right to cite them and it sounds like he's actually being a bit proactive, by paying attention and not skimming over the surface appearance of things.
Not buying a chicago vehicle sticker might save you 50 bucks or so, but the real savings comes in the form of a reduction in your auto insurance when your zip code changes. Channel 2 did a poor job in this investigation just going for the sound bites . Then, the hearing officer must have done a poor job in dismissing these tickets. Let the department investigate this matter and make the results public. Let the chips fall where they will. The Chicago Department of Revenue has in the past, and can in this matter, send this party a bill for past " road tax" that was unpaid. Then they can go for collection. The party would have to prove that they do indeed live in the burbs. I do not think that this job should fall on the police when the license plate shows a suburban address.
Any copper knows if a vehicle is not registered in the city they do not have to get a City sticker. It is not rocket science.
Scam or not, the tickets are not supposed to be issued until after a license check verifies reside3nce within Chicago.
My grandfather received a number of parking tickets from Chicago after he died and the car had been sold. He never lived in Chicago.
I had borrowed his car once and got a parking ticket for street cleaning, legit, and I paid it.
A common tactic of the parking ticket writers was to keep lists of previous offenders and sit in a local deli and write new tickets off the lists of previous offenders. I used to see them doing it at a deli near where I lived back in 1980.
Sounds like some shoddy, one sided reporting.
If a vehicle is registered in the suburbs but routinely parked overnight in the city then it is eligible for the ticket.
That's one of the oldest tricks in the book to try and skirt the city sticker.
It's not just on the north side.
All the lakefront liberals don't have to pay either.
They will tell you to your face that they don't have to pay for a city sticker because they have a parking space with their condo. They also will tell you that even though they're 30 yrs old, they are still living with mommy in the suburbs.
If you really want to hurt their wallets, call the insurance company. It's insurance fraud to provide false information regarding a policy.
Those private companies definitely know how to get their $$$$.
Like all the handicapped placards hanging off the rearview mirrors.....those are just as legit, right? Check Stetson or Randolph across from the Blue Cross Building. They're paying their fair share. Check Lake Shore Drive West in Lincoln Park...how many out of state plates do you see parked out there. Do you expect me to believe they are all just on extended visits or leaving their cars overnight? You media corksoakers hate the police because they actually take risks serving the public, you the media like seeing your name attached to the dribble you call reporting and then content yourselves thinking you actually do good. You the media are nothing more than bystanders with your hands in your pockets while good men and women pin on a badge and offer themselves up as targets to the criminals, the public, the politicians and you media slime. I have more respect for a prostitute.
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
Ok I know you may know the law and all but you may want to study it a lot better.
"No person shall park or stand on any portion of the public way, on any city-owned property, in a public parking garage as defined in Chapter 4-232, or any parking lot open to pedestrian traffic any vehicle requiring a license pursuant to Chapter 3-56 of this code, unless the wheel tax license emblem is displayed as required by Section 9-76-170 of this code. Pursuant to Section 3-56-021, any person alleged to have violated this section may raise as an affirmative defense that (1) such person resided in the city for less than 30 days at the time he or she was cited for the violation, or (2) the cited vehicle was purchased less than 30 days prior to the issuance of the violation."
So, over 30 days in the City the vehicle is fair game. I guess this copper showed that this lying bitch has made a false complaint against the officer and now he should sue the whole family and channel 2.
Perhaps Officer Ticket would have more credibility if some of his colleagues hadn't been caught writing bogus tickets to a guy who didn't even live in the city. If the car isn't registered in the city, it shouldn't be ticketed, period.
as a p.o i still gotta disagree. If you run that plate and it comes back out of the city then you CANT ticket it period. If you know they are bogus or whatever it doesnt matter. Of course these people are scamming. Obviously, but why put yourself in the trick bag so you can check off with those parkers. come one, its not worth it. The copper was being just as bogus as the people he was giving the parkers to. The truth hurts sometimes... for this one there is no excuse. It makes us all look bad. If you work in 025 and you cant find a bad guy to lock up legitimately then you need to find a new line of work. Boys and girls, this is not the time or place to do things the way they use to be done.
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
OK, Moron!
Tell that to the Officers who have been fired over the years for having a residence outside of Chicago and a home in the city.
Also if you do business in the city you are required to have a city sticker.
It's where she lives not where she registered her vehicle.
If the officer can show that she lives in Chicago and owns a car that she is using in Chicago she is required to have a city sticker.
Old Retired Guy Here;
This is a problem with no clear cut solution. Many Chicago Residents Register there vehicles outside the city. They do this for lower insurance costs, and lower city sticker costs. The ordinance states, if the owner of the vehicle is a resident of the city, they have to buy a city sticker. How can it be proven that they are a resident of the city, without a extensive investigation ? We are not equipped to do that. The only thing you can hang your hat on is, the state registration plate. It's just another thing you have to shake your head at, and move on.
If the officer can't show conclusive proof, that the car has been illegaly registered.....is he/she just writing those tickets to keep up their activity and don't have to worry about any traffic court testimony.....hmmmmm?
What's the deal with North Riverside?
All of the vehicles in this report were allegedly licensed there.
11/02/2011 12:23:00 AM
their stickers are $30, $10 for seniors or disabled (which a scammer can probably get).
I think we shouldnt give any breaks to the news media when they illegally park. I would think thre media should obey thelaw yetthey don't. Be a damn shame for on the news vans to get two tickets for blocking the crosswalk and the handicap curb cut. I really think we should fight back and start ticketing the media.I think maybe a facbook page with pictures of the media illegally parking would be great. Im not a big fan of GS, he may be a lil arroogant and loud but this is bullshit.
"Funny how? Funny like a clown? I'm here to amuse you?". Spilotro...Savini..Hmm..Wild guess here..Savini is doing a favor for his pal under the BS cover of 'investigative journalism'...
let this democratic city burn. Coming sooner than later
Aren't the Spilotros corn feed?
Look, if there were multiple complaints, then I agree that this person was probably a scammer and scammers should not get away with it--but shouldn't there be a threshold of proof? Without it, where would you draw the line between someone who really lives on the block and someone who is legitimately just visiting? Does the law define how many days someone is allowed to visit someone else? Should the law go there? Seems like there could also be a grey area in these tough economic times when people lose their homes and move in with others temporarily. Sounds like at least one person in the comments was unjustly ticketed.
--Law Abiding Citizen
as a p.o i still gotta disagree. If you run that plate and it comes back out of the city then you CANT ticket it period. If you know they are bogus or whatever it doesnt matter. Of course these people are scamming. Obviously, but why put yourself in the trick bag so you can check off with those parkers. come one, its not worth it. The copper was being just as bogus as the people he was giving the parkers to. The truth hurts sometimes... for this one there is no excuse. It makes us all look bad. If you work in 025 and you cant find a bad guy to lock up legitimately then you need to find a new line of work. Boys and girls, this is not the time or place to do things the way they use to be done.
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
I couldn't agree more. Listen, we all know that they are scamming, but bottom line you can't write them period. It is what it is. On the other hand if you happen to lawfully pull a car over with out of state plates and the driver has an out of state license (or even a license with a different address) of which he says he lives in chicago then you can nail him with failing to notify the IL secretary of State of such move. But then again who cares because they always get dropped in court. What a joke
I got a ticket for that once when I was in Chicago taking care of a sick family member. All it took was 2 phone calls and it was taken care of.
Till then, they can fuck off, and from what little I've read, this copper needs to pull his head from his ass.
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
You must not be a LEO. You need to pull your head out of your own ass. If the officer has documented a number of sightings of the vehicle and/or has a complainant, the scam is up for the whiners.
And, working hand in hand with officers assigned to other watches that document sighting the vehicle during their tours of duty, GOTCHA MOTHER FUCKER!
So, asshole, if you are a LEO, you are one dumb mother fucker for not knowing how to do the job. And, if you are not a LEO, a smart copper with a pen will get your scamming ass, so you should reassess the level of slickness you believe you have attained! I salute the officer!
And, forget about TD 9.5 and any perceived slights, it isn't about him or your perceptions. I have to buy three of the Chicago vehicle windshield stickers, I will sure as hell do everything I can during my tour to make sure these scamming mother fuckers buy one for their vehicles. And, fuck you if you don't do the same.
And here is the best part. I report them as insurance scammers! The insurance companies LOVE catching these pieces of shit. The more the scammers try to be slick, the more I cut them off at the knees!
hundreds of vehicles parked in the ghettos of area 1 and area 2 are registered to suburban addresses, but the driver's license comes back to the city address where the car is parked. hmmm what does the ordinance say? can we write those?
Yes. The Illinois Supreme Court ruled a couple of years ago (forgot the case name, sorry) that you must have a city sticker for the city that your drivers license comes back to. They said since your DL is supposed to list your address of residence all vehicles should be registered to that same address. If I can look up the ruling I'll post it.
Is anyone really mad about a vehicle registered outside the city. Sorry but I thought this was a police blog. The meter maid blog is elsewhere. Who is writing tickets anyway? As far as scams go the city generates enough revenue by altering the speed of the traffic lights at photo enforcement intersections, (which causes accidents) talk about systemic criminal acts. As for those who hate their neighbors sorry but wrong forum. Surely there are more pressing police activities to pursue. Spending time worrying and running plates and DL's to determine if a vehicle is legally registered at one location or legally registered at another. Meanwhile criminals drive by (with no license, no insurance on an open title gang pool car) fresh from their latest burglary and wave at you, because you refuse to be the police. Look there is a forrest in between those trees dude. Biggger fish to fry. I guess next you can blog about the criminal jay walking epidemic in 018 and 001.
Found it. Google :
CITY OF CHICAGO v. DRISCOLL
The CITY OF CHICAGO, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. Erin C. DRISCOLL, Defendant-Appellee (The City of Chicago Department of Administrative Hearings, Defendant).
No. 1-06-2198.
-- May 30, 2007
Court ruled that if you live in the city you must have a city of Chicago sticker even if the vehicle is registered elsewhere.
Guess what, people. There are resources out there to see who owns homes on the beat you are assigned. Cook county recorder of deeds, cook county assessor's office. Sure, some of you can just run the plate and see where it is registered to. But you can also find out who is living on the block that you patrol.
I'm tired of coppers beating up other coppers. Fucking stand together for 'chrissake.
This cop was NOT in the wrong.
We all have to buy a city sticker if we live in this shithole and so does Mr. Spilotro and his 'cuz, Michelle.
You got my support, 025 PO.
Read the actual ordinance. If the vehicle is housed/parked/garaged in the city for more than 10 days then u need to purchase a city wheel tax a.k.a. CITY STICKER.
The problem comes in unless your the same beat copper or DOR person or clerk ticket writer how do you know its parked/garaged/housed in the city more than 10 days, all you have to go on is the registration by the secretary of state.
Anonymous said...
as a p.o i still gotta disagree. If you run that plate and it comes back out of the city then you CANT ticket it period. If you know they are bogus or whatever it doesnt matter. Of course these people are scamming. Obviously, but why put yourself in the trick bag so you can check off with those parkers. come one, its not worth it. The copper was being just as bogus as the people he was giving the parkers to. The truth hurts sometimes... for this one there is no excuse. It makes us all look bad. If you work in 025 and you cant find a bad guy to lock up legitimately then you need to find a new line of work. Boys and girls, this is not the time or place to do things the way they use to be done.
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
BULLSHIT! All you have to do is show that the vehicle is in the city for extended periods of time. Also many of these idiots still have their D/L where they really live, Chicago. check voter rolls, recorder of deeds or a host of other sources. Screw these people. We get hammered if we don't have one, why would you worry about "putting yourself in the trick bag?" If you can't justify enforcing the law because you don't possess the necessary skills, then maybe you should go to some factory in 025 and get a job there, because you obviously don't know how to read the laws that we enforce.
Wheel gunner!!!!!
I have three neighbor in the 4500 N Mulligan with surburan stickers and they live in Chicago on. No one from 16 will do anything about it. It takes a little work and some balls.
Great example of a scofflaw.....
Trader Todd's bus (3200s on Sheffield) in 019...
Re-Registered in suburbs after getting 20 city sticker tickets from the same PEA....hides their bus in the church lot on Addison across from 023 now.
Someone ticket them.....it is principally garaged/stored in Chicago 95% of the month. Or is 019/023 afraid?
My condo board president has two cars registered to another state. "mr-all-about-the-rules" doesn't think laws and rules apply to him. But heaven forbid if u step just a tad over the line.... Dirty pols. Dirty boards. Anywhere there's people utilizing a collective group of peoples' funds and rights, there will be scumbags in power who feel above the rest.
The 019 District especially in Lincon Park, De Paul and Wrigleyville are full of residents that have their cars still registered at mommies and daddies house in the Suburbs and even other states!
I see alot of out state plates on my beat that are registered to Indiana, Wisconsin and Michigan plates all over the district!
They all can't be visiting relatives every night while taking up valauable parking spaces!
The only good thing about out of state plates is when something happens to their cars we can't get a hold of the owner because we don't know where they reside here in 019.
so where does the vehicle's registered owner really live? permanent residence, as opposed to temporary (staying with a sick relative, etc.)....how much surveillance was done (3 months, 6 months, etc.)? Can you say class action?
If you have an in to get your vehicle registered in the suburbs thats great. None of us should cry sour grapes. That means cheaper insurance also.
If the city wants to go after these people then hire a couple of people to start cross checking residency with other resources. I'm sure you could easily find $500,0000 or more in lost revenue.
I work in 014. I see as many WI, OH, IA plates as I do IL. Yuppies are the new shitheads.
I'm fortunate, I live in the South Loop in a high rise & park in private, underground parking. I have MI plates, the car is registered to my wife, who has a MI driver's license, that is tied to our vacation property there. We bought the car in MI, and we don't affix our garage pass or I-Pass to our windows, rather, put them on the dash when using the garage or tollways. But that’s more because we don’t like how those look.
We do our taxes married filing separately, mainly because she has an internet business registered to our home in MI, and I am a W-2 employee of a company here. So if challenged in court, I can show that she is a resident of MI.
I have an IL license & have been pulled over here, every time the cop asks me about the out of state plates. I just tell him that we moved back to MI & bought the car after the move, but bc my IL license hasn't expired, I haven't switched to MI DL yet. I also keep a business card of my wife's showing the MI PO box (looks like a suite number, though) of her business, as well as a card of mine for the business that lists me as a "consultant."
I've been doing this for the entire nine years we’ve been here, and frankly have saved thousands in city stickers & lower insurance costs, not to mention the difference in sales tax on the cars. The ONLY concern I have is if we move somewhere else where I have to park on the street, and I get a beat cop who starts noticing me parked there daily. But until that happens, I will continue to game this F'd up system!!!
This story really ticks me off. The city ordinance is fairly clear, any car in Chicago for 30 days out of the year needs a city sticker... it doesn't matter if she's visiting really. If she's here that often she can deal with the city regulations, it's irrelevant if she also has a North riverside sticker.
This is a huge loss of revenue to the city. It's a super noticeable problem if you go to any of the north side neighborhoods that border permit zones. The cars on the unpermitted zones nearby will all be out of state, out of city plates. Sometimes 30-50 per block in the right neighborhood (go to the 400-500 w Block of Aldine, Roscoe, Stratford Pl, etc. that border the 383 zone, for a really prime example of this).
I've counted 45 out of state, non-city stickered plates on one block. These cars are there all year. Some of them only move on street cleaning days. It's people from Ohio/Indiana/etc living in the neighborhood who never move their cars. Lowers quality of life for everyone in the neighborhood, in addition to the revenue loss.
I've habitually called in some of the biggest offenders as abandoned vehicles 7 days after street cleaning, but despite the constant threats on city workers of extended furlough without pay, they still aren't jumping on the issue that's causing such a loss of revenue.
The city is also missing out on their 6% use tax on that person's monthly car payment if these same people are leasing their cars, which is a bigger loss of revenue than the stickers themselves even.
If it were up to me, I'd ban overnight parking on any city residential street for non-city-of-chicago-stickered cars. Guests could get a guest permit or park overnight at a metered street, just as they would now in an area that's a permit zone. This solution wouldn't cost the city a penny to implement, it's a change in law and publicitity. It would also improve quality of life, something that we've been given very little of lately.
And to facilitate this need for guest permits throughout the city, even in non-permitted areas, our friends at LAZ could sell them and take a cut out of their receipt printers. And Jewel/Dominicks could sell them as they do w/ CTA cards. Guest permits are relatively inexpensive ($1/day~), it shouldn't be a big deal to anyone. Compared to the cuts, taxes, and fees that are proposed, this concept wouldn't inconvenience any legitimately registered citizen.
My other idea was to regularly OCR all license plates on a given block, and using geotagging record and photograph that they were on Chicago streets 30 days out of the year and issue citations based off of that. I think this would be a good citizen Iphone app even with minimal need for oversite as long as the pictures are geotag embedded. This method would be a lot more work and less proactive about solving the root of the problem, but could take care of some of the bigger offenders. Where we're at now, it's wasting a lot of city resources every time I call in the same car 20x a year and it never gets ticketed but they still stop by to check it out.
For the people who have written that the tickets can't be written in this circumstance, you may want to check the city ordinance. You may be surprised at what you will find.
I've run cars and the plate comes back to a suburban address and the persons D/L comes back to Chicago...
This is what happens when a cop with no time has to "pimp for the man" to stay on days. He/she is reduced to a metermaid to keep the unethical whiteshirts happy. He will be at callback in no time because he "pimped for the man." When will these hairgells realize that to work is to be "fucked."
Sounds like the prick Lyons cop who writes my city registered car, with a city of Chicago sticker, every week I go to visit my parents. And no I'm not scamming I do live in the city and all my paperwork is legit. Maybe it's time to go to the media on these money grabbing burbs.
as a p.o i still gotta disagree. If you run that plate and it comes back out of the city then you CANT ticket it period. If you know they are bogus or whatever it doesnt matter. Of course these people are scamming.
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Bullshit !! these fucking yuppies/ suburbanites cry they live in whatverver suburb. but the D.L. takes presedence. if you run the plate and the D.L comes back to Chicago then you can write it !!! and what you do is write in the memo box of the ticket " D.L. REGISTERED IN CHICAGO" thats what I always do and have never had a beef. fuck them. if i gotta do it so do they. if not i'd register my vehicle at my any of a number of relatives home addresses in the burbs.. GIVE ME A FUCKING BRAK AND FUCK YOU DAVE SAVINI!!!!!
Honestly, the people in question have found a way around the law. They live in Chicago but have their car registered in a suburb outside of Chicago. Even if you see the car registered in Rockford but parked in the same residential street every single night or day how can you legally write them a ticket for not having a city sticker? That law only applies to city of Chicago residents. But how on earth do you know the owner is a city resident without examining their license? This is the type of stupid shit that gets stupid cops in trouble. It's better to follow the rules, regulations, procedures and law. Trust me, you'll sleep better at night.
Schenkel the Washington Obamma insider runs the OMEC and TMAs. Never a caop but brought here to protect us from G8 NATO. This guy didn't even vote in the last election. Direct your questions to himself
thats why we have PDT's. the vehicle never comes back to the city but the drivers license does
NICKY SANTORO said...
"SPILOTRO"?? GEE, why doz dat name ring a bell?
11/02/2011 12:29:00 AM
For some reason when I hear that name I think of baseball...
Hell, there are cars with out of state tags that current city stickers. How come the Sec. of State dosen't go after them.
Just got off the phone with Dave the Chef...
He says that everyone that was ticketed by the PO in question was able to Prove they don't Reside in the City.
But that they refused to provide that evidence on camera.
11/02/2011 08:29:00 AM
Hey asshole.
City Policy....ALL CIty employees must purchase and display a City Sticker on Each of their vehicles or face Discipline as well as Code of Conduct Violation Pre-Dis.
Proof of that concept?
CFD inspectors MADE the DC of 2714 N Halsted Fire House purchase a 2011 Sticker for his Wisconsin Plated Mini Van..or else take 1 month without Pay for the Code Violation.
11/02/2011 08:29:00 AM
I notice you posted anonymously...
Chicken Shit.
If you had balls you'd post with your Name, badge number and district.
And then Find out how wrong you are.
Sounds like the bozo in 18 writing tickets for people having a current city sticker and not removing their old stickers.
Oh shit. I just gave Spilotro another opportunity to utilize his writing skills.
11/02/2011 03:23:00 AM
Read up on what "Improper Display or No City Sticker" actually entails before you open your pieHole.
No more than 1 inch from the bottom of the windshield on the farthest Point from the Steering Wheel (looking at windshield from front bumper: left Side bottom corner). No More than 1 Valid city sticker. No Display of Expired (document from Clerks Office instructs you to remove the prior year Stickers).
On the Wrong Side of the windshield? Valid Ticket.
In the Sun Guard? Valid Ticket.
2010 and 2009 and etc still displayed? Valid Citation. And Obstructed Windshield for 250.00 Alex as well.
Groceries moved by a car is not an intrastate movement. And SOS will come out to force register them? Are you serious???? What police academy or commercial vehicle enforcement class did you attend with an instructor who told you that line? Groceries purchased for personal use and moved by automobile are not considered an intrastate commerce movement.
You need to read the definition of intrastate movement by a Commercial motor vehicle. Law doesn't apply to a car with out of state plates buying groceries.
Anonymous said...
as a p.o i still gotta disagree. If you run that plate and it comes back out of the city then you CANT ticket it period. If you know they are bogus or whatever it doesnt matter. Of course these people are scamming. Obviously, but why put yourself in the trick bag so you can check off with those parkers. come one, its not worth it. The copper was being just as bogus as the people he was giving the parkers to. The truth hurts sometimes... for this one there is no excuse. It makes us all look bad. If you work in 025 and you cant find a bad guy to lock up legitimately then you need to find a new line of work. Boys and girls, this is not the time or place to do things the way they use to be done.
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
Take a hike bud. Ticketing illegal parkers or busting scammers is not something we used to do that is now an outdated practice. That's our job. Some officers write more tickets than others, that doesn't make them the devil incarnate.
Does the vehicle's owner vote in Chicago?
The Board of Election Commissioners provides poll lists free of charge. Find out what ward and precinct you're talking about. Then, next time you're downtown, stop at the Bd of Elections and get the poll list for that location. Find out if the owner is registered to vote in the city.
Hold on. Did the copper ask for any of the proofs of residence? The only information he is to go on when writing that parker is if the car is registered to the city or not. If not, then it's horse shit he wrote it anyway. Now I hate the media, but any light shed on the fucked up practices of city sticker enforcement, I'll applaud any day. I'll start writing tickets and generating revenue for this city when the people who run it start to give a shit about the taxpayers who live here. Till then, they can fuck off, and from what little I've read, this copper needs to pull his head from his ass.
11/02/2011 12:27:00
As a citizen of Chicago, I agree that our politicians in charge should care about the taxpayers who live here and often they don't so it is a benefit in my opinion that you officers ticket these scammers. We who live in Chicago and pay our vehicle and property taxes, pay our dues to live here each year. I'm glad police don't let these scammers get away with not paying their fair share! The politicians may not care about the taxpayers but the POLICE do! Bravo to you guys. Keep it up!
Payback's A Bitch said...
One Friday night, I was driving down Rush St. when traffic was nearly at a standstill. Some idiot had a car, with a suburban city sticker, double parked causing a HUGE bottleneck. I wrote a parker and.....
In court, Mr A**hole shows up with a lawyer who calmly hands the judge the registration card for his newly purchased Chicago vehicle sticker. The judge asks the lawyer to show ME the registration and was I satisfied...
11/02/2011 07:04:00 AM
Nice story but how did you write a ticket on Friday and already go to court by Wednesday?
Who invented the City Sticker?
This is similar to the scam that Enterprise Car Rental runs (they also own National and Alamo):
They register their fleet cars in Lombard for $15 a pop, while housing the cars primarily at ORD and MDW. Any airport detail people want to investigate that :)?
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Trader Todd's bus (3200s on Sheffield) in 019... Re-Registered in suburbs after getting 20 city sticker tickets from the same PEA....hides their bus in the church lot on Addison across from 023 now.
Someone ticket them.....it is principally garaged/stored in Chicago 95% of the month. Or is 019/023 afraid?
Not scared sir...WE just don't care.
You'll run across nonsense in the Montclare area (beats 2513,2512) of Chicago. They have the same zip as Elmwood Pk. So you run one of their plates it comes back to a city address, but with Elmwood park as the town. (Even though its Chicago)
60646 lincolnwood chicago
017 disy aholes have been doing this to those they hate for years
we had a lot people come to 016 pissed off that they received tickets for city stickers but they live in the suburbs and work in chicago...but guess what...its not cops issuing these tickets, its crossing guards....yes and they have no clue what they are doing...city that works at its best!!!!
Anonymous said...
My grandfather received a number of parking tickets from Chicago after he died and the car had been sold. He never lived in Chicago.
I had borrowed his car once and got a parking ticket for street cleaning, legit, and I paid it.
A common tactic of the parking ticket writers was to keep lists of previous offenders and sit in a local deli and write new tickets off the lists of previous offenders. I used to see them doing it at a deli near where I lived back in 1980.
11/02/2011 10:19:00 AM
Bullsh!t.
11/02/2011 04:20:00 PM
Good thing we can write city stickers in private garages as well. No go f' yourself
11/02/2011 05:20:00 PM
You're probably a fat old do nothing that never did anything. Read the fucking ordinance dumb shit. Those scamming shitbirds can be written. I would continue to write and write.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For the people who have written that the tickets can't be written in this circumstance, you may want to check the city ordinance. You may be surprised at what you will find.
11/02/2011 04:36:00 PM Let me get this straight.A cars registered in the burbs.The drivers address is in the burbs......and you want me to check some obscure city ordinance to justify(MAYBE}some bullshit parking ticket????Man,if you're a PO,you must work i8n paradise if this is what you think about at work.
Blogger DaneKan said...
This story really ticks me off. The city ordinance is fairly clear, any car in Chicago for 30 days out of the year needs a city sticker... it doesn't matter if she's visiting really. If she's here that often she blah,blah,blah,blah...........Hey Danny Boy you sound like you'd be the life of any party.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
so where does the vehicle's registered owner really live? permanent residence, as opposed to temporary (staying with a sick relative, etc.)....how much surveillance was done (3 months, 6 months, etc.)? Can you say class action?
11/02/2011 03:14:00 PM Surveillance for parking tickets?HMMMM.Why didn't I think of that?
I register ALL my vehicles to my out of state summer home AND park in the lot at work. I DARE any boss or inspector to try and gig me. I got a little somethin'-somethin' for them. All they need to do is start their little paper trail. Bosses that don't know the laws should be the last ones trying to enforce those same laws. My hook and bait is in the water, come get it dummies, and make me a well-compensated-for-my-troubles officer. I wouldn't mind retiring with a few hundred more hours on the books to cash-in and a lot more cash in my pocket.
11/02/2011 08:29:00 AM
You're either a troll or an asshat. If you're an Illinois resident any car you own and operate in Illinois must be registered in Illinois and to your resident address. Obviously no one has seen you and written you up, because if they did, you'd lose. You were saying?
For years , the jewelers in Jeweler's Row all had phony handicapped cards for their vehicles. this enabled them to park at the meters on Wabash without paying or to park in the handicapped area at grant Park North Underground. That way they had a security escort to their vehicles when they carried jewelry on their persons. The handicapped area was within site of the office of the garage. Everybody who worked at the garage knew about this. And, I am not speaking of a few cars, but dozens of vehicles. It seems that it is human nature to scam the system. Where is the integrity?
This is what happens when a cop with no time has to "pimp for the man" to stay on days. . . .
11/02/2011 05:20:00 PM
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Thanks to guys like this copper who DOES HIS JOB unlike
YOUR DOG-ASS you can just
keep sleeping in the hole.
Go back to sleep DOG ASS.
Better yet, just QUIT and go work the drive-thru window at McDonalds.
Found it. Google :
CITY OF CHICAGO v. DRISCOLL
The CITY OF CHICAGO, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. Erin C. DRISCOLL, Defendant-Appellee (The City of Chicago Department of Administrative Hearings, Defendant).
No. 1-06-2198.
-- May 30, 2007
Court ruled that if you live in the city you must have a city of Chicago sticker even if the vehicle is registered elsewhere.
11/02/2011 01:10:00 PM
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Nice job acutally backing up your point.
Anonymous said...
thought he was buried in a corn field in indiana?
11/02/2011 01:05:00 AM
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Tony has a brother who is a Dentist
Anonymous said...
If you have an in to get your vehicle registered in the suburbs thats great. None of us should cry sour grapes. That means cheaper insurance also.
If the city wants to go after these people then hire a couple of people to start cross checking residency with other resources. I'm sure you could easily find $500,0000 or more in lost revenue.
11/02/2011 03:28:00 PM
This kind of scam is one of the reasons that our insurance rates are high, doofus.
"Any car parked overnight on a city street is fair game."
That's B.S. God forbid someone has a friend or family member stay over for a night or the weekend. Sounds like harassment to me.
Many years back a copper who I worked with had a leased car registered to his security company in Evergreen Park. Inspector wrote him up because car is basically kept and housed in the city of chicago, He was forced to buy a city sticker. That is way many car rental companies use a suburban address, but the cars that they keep in chicago at rental offices need city stickers. I had a neighbor who refused to buy city stickers saying that the cars were registered to his home in the suburbs, Finally Caps cop from 16 came out and asked him where he votes, the man replied Chicago, He was then told to buy stickers or he was comitting vote fraud. Guess what, he bought them, So if you work a beat car and see a car parked for extensive period of time on city streets on your beat, Fuck them, write them and note address where observed on ticket.
Wow!
All the coppers I talk to at work day in & day out talk about how awful the city is and how the city bleeds dry the middle class.
So a few people game the system? And you're on the city's side?! Are just sore you can't flaunt the rules?
Fuck the city!
Just wait till contract talks and lets see how quickly your opinion of the city changes.
Did Rahm's personal car(s) have Chicago city stickers when he lived in D.C.? Just a few boxes in the basement "prove" residency.
Is the Chicago metro area/collar counties the only place where this whole city sticker scam take place?
I don't recall seeing such a thing once safely outside Crook/surrounding counties.
Boys and girls, this is not the time or place to do things the way they use to be done.
11/02/2011 12:27:00 AM
Anyone I've ever met that uses the term "boys and girls" has been overbearing and clueless.
Listen assholes. If she has a residence in Riverside where the car is registered to, unless this copper was staking out the house 24/7 for the last 20 days, he cannot prove a thing and was writing these tickets to try and make a point. End of fucking story.
Our new City Clerk (what ever her name is)instead of raising city sticker fees wanted time to change the municiple code on city stickers to make it easier to go after people who are not registering their vehicles in shitcago. But she was shot down by 9.5 and the city council. Instead of going after the people who are not playinng fair, they just keep fucking over the honest citizens. In turn these citizens go to the dark side and register their cars outside of the city in order to not pay the overpriced shitcago city sticker. What these stupid dumocRATS need to do is make the price comparable with the surrounding suburbs and states. That way their is no money saving incentives and going through the hassle to register their vehicle outside the city. You would get in the upper 90% compliance and all that revenue the city is losing to other states and suburbs. Heck most of these fucking yuppies still have their vehicles registered to their mommy's house wherever the fucking state they came from(ohio,michigan,indiana,wisconsin,etc..). To be fair I live in 016 and around the corner from my house there is a couple who have all three vehicles registered in Wisconsin but live and park their cars in shitcago. Any copper who actually read the laws they enforce know that this officer is in the right, but alot of coppers also know these tickets get thrown out in court just like in this particular case. Hey I give this copper credit, he is sticking to his guns.
Yuppies have been getting away with this for years in Lincoln park. Time to change the requirements. If its parked there a couple months on and off sticker should be req. Enough with the permit passes that get abused and handed out by aldermens office like candy. They also cheat the insurance co and state by not changing residency
I register ALL my vehicles to my out of state summer home AND park in the lot at work. I DARE any boss or inspector to try and gig me. I got a little somethin'-somethin' for them. All they need to do is start their little paper trail. Bosses that don't know the laws should be the last ones trying to enforce those same laws. My hook and bait is in the water, come get it dummies, and make me a well-compensated-for-my-troubles officer. I wouldn't mind retiring with a few hundred more hours on the books to cash-in and a lot more cash in my pocket.
11/02/2011 08:29:00 AM
You're either a troll or an asshat. If you're an Illinois resident any car you own and operate in Illinois must be registered in Illinois and to your resident address. Obviously no one has seen you and written you up, because if they did, you'd lose. You were saying?
11/02/2011 10:17:00 PM
I agree with the poster u are an asshat what district do you work in and what are your plates
Payback's A Bitch said...
One Friday night, I was driving down Rush St. when traffic was nearly at a standstill. Some idiot had a car, with a suburban city sticker, double parked causing a HUGE bottleneck. I wrote a parker and.....
In court, Mr A**hole shows up with a lawyer who calmly hands the judge the registration card for his newly purchased Chicago vehicle sticker. The judge asks the lawyer to show ME the registration and was I satisfied...
11/02/2011 07:04:00 AM
Nice story but how did you write a ticket on Friday and already go to court by Wednesday?
11/02/2011 09:02:00 PM
Reading comprehension: "ONE Friday night I ..."
(he didn't say LAST FRIDAY NIGHT).
11/02/2011 11:49:00 PM
Well I know that your Northside investigative skills are naught. Do you think if he wrote as many tickets as he has there is more than enough burden of proof that the vehicle is there more than the 20 days? Moron.
Sounds like the system ain't working....
11/02/2011 07:04:00 AM
Nice story but how did you write a ticket on Friday and already go to court by Wednesday?
11/02/2011 09:02:00 PM
Who said ANYTHING about Wednesday?
Found it. Google :
CITY OF CHICAGO v. DRISCOLL
Court ruled that if you live in the city you must have a city of Chicago sticker even if the vehicle is registered elsewhere.
11/02/2011 01:10:00 PM
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Nice job acutally backing up your point.
11/02/2011 11:18:00 PM
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Ya, but in that case the argument was that she already had a Highland Park sticker. That was her whole argument. She admitted living in the city. I can’t tell though if her plates registered in the city, but she fully admitted living there. Ya, if you live in the city you need a sticker. Period, end of story. No matter where your plates register. But if your plates register to the burbs how do you prove this? Chances are the guy is not going to admit to the administrative judge that he lives in the city. I guess you could run their drivers license, and if it shows they have a Chicago address that would show where they live. Here's the wording from the case:
“On November 4, 2004, Driscoll's [***2] car was parked at 1701 South Michigan Avenue in Chicago and was ticketed for failing to display a city sticker. The ticket indicated that the car was registered to Driscoll, who resided at 211 East Ohio Street in Chicago”
She admitted living at 211 E Ohio. But I am not sure if the car was registered there. Its just not clear.
Keep pimping to make your point!!!!They are now doing the same thing in every district because guess what,,, WATCH BIDS are coming up. They will ACT like they will award the coveted management spots to the "pimps." But every year the bosses sons, nephews , BJ queens etc... get them and OFCER. Productivity gets fucked. When will they learn. goofs.
Listen assholes. If she has a residence in Riverside where the car is registered to, unless this copper was staking out the house 24/7 for the last 20 days, he cannot prove a thing and was writing these tickets to try and make a point. End of fucking story.
11/02/2011 11:49:00 PM
Listen Sphincter boy
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that these people are circumventing the City of Chicago ordinances by registering their car out of the city. Have you thought that maybe he ran the plate and the DL showed a Chicago address? or he has written the vehicle prior because of a complaint from a neighbor or his prior observations? It is not up to the Officer to prove anything that decision is the purview of the ALJ who decides guilt or innocence. So pucker up and register your vehicles in the city and stop being part of the problem.
Gary Schenkel runs the TMAs through OEMC Obamma's guy not a cop not from Chicago
Chickenshit ticket. My cars are registered in the burbs. Fuck this city, not dime one from me.
Is this guy Spilotro brother to the other two mob assholes found buried in an IN corfield?
I handled a job some years back, and the complainant was a Spilotro, yes brother, and worked for streets and san--hmmmm.
The guys was about 4 feet tall.
I have no doubt these people are scammers. There are half a dozen on my block. The city needs to go after these people through investigation, not by having CPD waste time writing tickets. These people deserve to be ticketed but it shouldn't be CPD's responsibility.
This also makes me wonder about my situation. I've lived in Chicago 14 years and I've bought 14 city stickers. Last year my fiance moved from Chicago to Iowa. For a while she kept her valid IL plates and Chicago city sticker. But once her few months were up, she had to register her car in Iowa and remove the Chicago city sticker. But this summer she was traveling for a couple months and left her car with me. She is an Iowa resident. Would this cop have given her 20 tickets. If so, I ask what our alternative could have been. This is a gray area. If there was a temporary sticker, we'd gladly have purchased one. But there isn't one. Luckily we got no ticket so I assume we were in the right.
Who cares? Why generate any revenue for this city? Until the city agrees to fulfill their pension obligations, they won'd get shit from me. Hit them where it hurts. No parkers, no movers. There's no way they could ever hire enough revenue officers to make up what we do.
So knock of writing tickets--there's your answer.
This guy will probably take some time. You know there's a CR already. Is it really worth it? I could give a rats' freaking ass.
I work in a suburb that borders on the city and sometimes our residents get ticketed in their buildings lot.
some years bakc, my nephew who had his car registered in his parents name out in the burbs, rented a place in wrigleyville, well he needed a residnetial parking permit and the citry made him buy a city sticker, he did and then got the parking permit, many folks live in the city and register their cars out of the city, problem is also when their car is dmaged, broken into , etc, how do we find them unless a neighbor tells the cops.
Nice story but how did you write a ticket on Friday and already go to court by Wednesday?
11/02/2011 09:02:00 PM
Reading comprehension: "ONE Friday night I ..."
(he didn't say LAST FRIDAY NIGHT).
11/03/2011 01:28:00 AM
and he responded "on Friday night"
(he didn't say Last Friday) But it was still a nice long drawn out story!
Just got off the phone with Dave the Chef...
He says that everyone that was ticketed by the PO in question was able to Prove they don't Reside in the City.
But that they refused to provide that evidence on camera.
11/02/2011 07:58:00 PM
Yeah right.
11/02/2011 07:04:00 AM
Nice story but how did you write a ticket on Friday and already go to court by Wednesday?
11/02/2011 09:02:00 PM
Who said ANYTHING about Wednesday?
11/03/2011 03:08:00 AM
Nobody. The post went up on Wednesday, so the brilliant commenter ASSUMED the citation was issued last Friday and adjudicated yesterday.
I'm a neighbor of the Spillatro's. She is and has been a resident of chicago all of her life. She is just avoiding the sticker cost. The whole family is a group of scammers.
11/02/2011 12:18:00 AM
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If you are a neighbor, please contact that 'reporter' and tell him what you've observed and what you know.
At least, please, contact Internal Affairs and ask to speak to the investigator assigned to this officer's case and explain who you are and that you know, for a fact, that the woman resides in Chicago and is scamming.
He shouldn't have a cloud on his career over someone's bogus complaints, plus, you can save the City a bunch of money (because you just KNOW this family of whiners is going to sue for harassment).
Chickenshit ticket. My cars are registered in the burbs. Fuck this city, not dime one from me.
11/03/2011 08:54:00 AM
Ha-ha you chickenshit asshole! Scammers like you hate it when they get outslicked. I hope we meet someday because I will make sure you buy one! Adieu, until we meet!
My car has nevada plates and i live in chicago, go ahead and give me tickets.
Anonymous said...
My car has nevada plates and i live in chicago, go ahead and give me tickets.
11/03/2011 09:11:00 PM
Asshat, why don't you STFU. If no one catches you, keep quiet. If you get caught, don't bitch.
Chickenshit ticket. My cars are registered in the burbs. Fuck this city, not dime one from me.
11/03/2011 08:54:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
My car has nevada plates and i live in chicago, go ahead and give me tickets.
Chicken shit posters.
Post your plate numbers or go troll Myspace with the other twilight fans.
Who cares? In the grand scheme of things is writing tickets for city stickers that important?
The money does not pay your salary, it does not go to fix the streets, it is wasted on clout heavy contractors.
In thirty years, I never wrote a city sticker ticket or parker. I just refused. Screw this city.
In thirty years, I never wrote a city sticker ticket or parker. I just refused. Screw this city.
11/04/2011 11:03:00 AM
Yeah, and I'll bet you were a hard-charger, too. NOT!
Just by reading or hearing the news of thre day, it is understandable why the new kids have found that neutral or reverse is the wisest activity gear to use in the new CPD, but, back in the day, our peers looked at the less aggressive, as far as activity, as being dogs, but you must have had no pride in your work or profession.
A sticker, or lack of a windshield sticker, was the beginning of many a fruitful investigation, a few of the mine, but you wouldn't know, now would you? Say Poochie, stay off the blog and be proud of your less than stellar career somewhere else.
Say what you will and want, but ticket writers from the new city clerk's office and DOR visited the far southside yesterday. They wrote no vehicle sticker tickets to the vehicles with Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Nevada, Missouri and New Mexico plates, all of which, are owned by pretenders. The idiot owners must have all popped with an Illinois driver's license. GOTCHA mother fuckers! And, thanks to the new city clerk and the DOR.
These assholes have all come here and are working at jobs that legitimate residents could be filling and/or they are scamming welfare money, plus using our resources and using Section 8 money to pay their rent to absentee landlords, so fuck them. I buy mine, so should Mr. and Mrs. Slick.
And, a note to the idiot, one-term Governor Quinn: if it was ever to be applied in any incident, the death penalty should be available for the sentencing of the offender in the Kelli O'Laughlin murder. You are truly a goof and an embarassment to the state of Illinois.
11/02/2011 04:36:00 PM Let me get this straight.A cars registered in the burbs.The drivers address is in the burbs......and you want me to check some obscure city ordinance to justify(MAYBE}some bullshit parking ticket????Man,if you're a PO,you must work i8n paradise if this is what you think about at work.
11/02/2011 09:52:00 PM
Yes dickhead, as a Police Officer you maybe required to read a a law book on occasion. The so called "obscure" ordinance is no harder to find then any other ordinance. You make it sound as if you have to walk through the catacombs of the Harold Washington library on an Indiana Jones-esqe adventure dustin off ancient books to locate said "obscure" ordinance.
11/05/2011 10:24:00 AM
Alright rambo...tell me something..
Does the City Clerk have the access to OCR or whatever it is called on out of state plates?
Cause I can tell you for Fact that if I run an out of state plate/vin on my Revenue PDT...I don't get any information.
Illinois ....yes...we can get DL and ID information on a VIN check...but do you know how many PEA's have the brain power to do a VIN Check? Not many at all.
& @ 11/02/2011 12:07:00 AM
This isn't the Latest Scam...its the same damn one that everyone has been pulling for years.
Alright rambo...tell me something..
11/05/2011 08:17:00 PM
I will tell you something. Kiss my ass. If you had asked nicely without an insult, I would have schooled you on your job, but fuck you.
11/05/2011 11:24:00 PM
Sorry sweetheart....but the mouthbreather Hipiap1 is right.
Only CPD can do that type of background check.
Know why?
City Clerk uses those contractors...ser co...to write their tickets.
Can't have civilian Non-City employees with that confidential information access.
And the way that putz put his question...he knew the answer already. You just made his point.
And the way that putz put his question...he knew the answer already. You just made his point.
11/06/2011 05:33:00 PM
Sweetheart back at ya pops. I would school you and the mouth-breather about a liaison arrangement, but I figure, fuck the both of you 2 self-righteous, condescending asswipes. Adios and have a good tomorrow.
Is this the spilatro family? The one from the mob?
If the city ordinance states " operated in the city" as a requirement to purchase a city sticker... every fucking car owned by anyone working in this shithole should have a city sticker...right??? They probably operate the vehicle more here in traffic getting to and from work? Its stupid! If I live in Nutsack, Arkansas and own a house in Chicago, I need to buy a city sticker?
It is an antiquated tax to begin with... the Chicago wheel tax was a tax imposed on horse drawn wagons and their wheels that created "ruts" in the road, the revenue was used to fix the roads. Now I'm sure the city "wheel tax" has been revamped since then, but aren't we being doubled taxed?
Under the property tax and streets and sewer taxes, are we not paying for road repair? Which is the main purpose for city stickers? And why should I pay more for my Pickup truck as opposed to a.. Let's say chevy tahoe? Which weigh the same? And what's the logic of "no trucks" on LSD? But CTA buses, (which caused the LSD gridlock during the blizzard last Feb.) that significantly outweigh pick up trucks are allowed? Last time I checked LSD as it winds through Chicago is a US Route? (41) paid for and maintained by federal funds, i.e federal TAXES.
I'm ranting but my point is this... If you live in Chicago, own a vehicle in Chicago... A) homeowners should be exempt from city stickers and residential parking permits THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF PROPERTY TAX! ok ok just a flat fee for stickers? ($50) BUT NO RESIDENTIAL PERMITS! run my plate before you write me for no residential permit, and you will see I live in the neighborhood???
Thanks for listening,
Andy Rooney
According to sub-section (6) of section 41,on or after commencement of this rule, the registration mark referred to shall be displayed both at the front, rear and windshield of all vehicles clearly and legibly in the form of security license plate of the following specifications, namely
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