Civilian Lockup Keepers
Has any of this been discussed?
- An all-civilian lockup operates under different rules. Different union protections. Different investigatory paths. We don't think there is a CR process for civilians, so if property goes missing in the lockup, what happens? If someone alleges that they were physically mistreated, what happens? The accountability for wrong entries in the computers, who takes the fall?
- What about attacks in the lockup? Are civilians subject to our Use of Force rules? Do they even know what they are? Are there going to be Tasers in the lockups? Do civilians get trained on how and when a Taser is permitted? Are the civilians even obligated to use force if a prisoner becomes combative or are they permitted to retreat in the face of willful action by a subject in custody?
We hope this is being addressed somewhere in the switchover. Especially in light of yesterday's unfortunate occurrence.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
67 Comments:
Civilian members of the department have the exact same CR process as Sworn. There are multiple unions that cover them, so there are some different rules regarding notifications and such, but the process is the same.
As for the rest, wouldn't they be the same thing as civilian detention aides that we've had for decades?
C.R. process the same for civilian lock-up keepers, and p.o.'s. Just a bit different in how they are served with the allegations. Ask any desk sergeant.
My idea is to hire lockup keepers from the standing police test. Train them, give them same rules and regs. My bet is that they will be on their best behavior until an actual police spot opens. They will have been background checked, fitness. And when they actually get out on the street they will already have
Earned tons of stuff. Computer system, etc.
Why train traffic aids.
If im not mistaken there has to be at least one sworn member in the lockup.
As anyone in a district knows, we now have to have
the worksheets completed and into HQ four days ahead of time. Can't take time after sheets are done in case they need call out for protests. But wait...Tracy Ladner can decide to call out supervisors the night before their tour to interview lock -up keeper candidates and that's ok? I couldn't be off, but my fellow sgt is not here? Now it's ok to be the only supervisor on my watch??? And the day WC was operating from HQ because she f'd up the interviews???? SEND HELP!!!! Is anybody listening?????
Civilian detention aides are trained in the use of force model and are authorized to execute what level is deemed necessary.
I think we should just stop locking people up all together. We can put it in the press under that noble label on how it will: "enable us to save money..." Everyone likes a saver..saving something is good!
It's all about creating revenue so just write tickets and do like run jody run did...that is tow their cars if they don't pay them. That clouted tow outfit the city has with the deep political ties would love it so it should be easy to sell.
/sarcasm
Oops.... Someone forgot about that.... Duh!
If the city can save a few bucks hiring civilians they could care less what the fuck happens.
They don't need to worry about any of this. It's gonna work just fine because Rahm said it will.
Once I walk out I don't give a fuck.
Who cares, let all the a holes run out the back door. All the cases get tossed in our wonderful misjustice system in Chicago anyway.
I think a CR can be initiated against a civilian member. They can do the job without a police officer back there, the only problem is who gets the blame for any mishaps? If a copper is back there, he gets the major part of any hit.
What will happen if a civilian lockup keeper hits the medical? Would one civilian lockup keeper run a district lockup? The WC cannot reassign a PO as the city notified the union that sworn will not work in a lockup. Tracy Ladner has no idea what she is doing with this program. They have not started the lockup keepers class. Time is running out to hire and train the new lockup keepers before Jan 1st. Talk about extreme cutting of corners to make this program work. Hello Tracy, where are you?
There are is a discipline process for every sworn and civilian employee. So... get over it and welcome back to the street. What are you gonna do with that sweet lock up uniform?
As anyone in a district knows, we now have to have
the worksheets completed and into HQ four days ahead of time. Can't take time after sheets are done in case they need call out for protests. But wait...Tracy Ladner can decide to call out supervisors the night before their tour to interview lock -up keeper candidates and that's ok? I couldn't be off, but my fellow sgt is not here? Now it's ok to be the only supervisor on my watch??? And the day WC was operating from HQ because she f'd up the interviews???? SEND HELP!!!! Is anybody listening?????
Waaa Waaaa Waaaaa, get over it!!
They'll just call 911.
Once again... who gives a shit!
the prisoners and the civs will be hangin wit der homeys in da lockup shootin dice!i c disaster!
How about the 80 year old in the Academy?
One problem they need to rectify is the fact that civilian detention aides can not sign on the computer. You need a sworn PO to do it. If you expect me to sign on and leave the lockup so the civilian can use my PC you are nuts
Hello Loevey & Loevey!
My idea is to hire lockup keepers from the standing police test. Train them, give them same rules and regs. My bet is that they will be on their best behavior until an actual police spot opens. They will have been background checked, fitness. And when they actually get out on the street they will already have
Earned tons of stuff. Computer system, etc.
Why train traffic aids.
11/18/2011 12:17:00 AM
Good idea. But I am sure it fell on deaf ears. The first lawsuit from this will wipe out any savings (if there are any savings, really) and make a bigger hole.
Hire traffic control aids to write case reports , issue parking tickets . This will allow Rahm to get a bigger bang for his buck and reduce sworn officers by another 1,000 .
Non sworn have follow the same CR process as sworn up to and including being stripped.
Are you kidding. The city and department as always will put absolutely no thought into it, jump the gun and make rash and sometimes reckless decisions.
What about the cable bill...will they be responsible for it?
Years ago I was a lockup keeper in a area where we had several civillian aides. They had the same CR process as us, but did not have the protecions we had. If the guy had no clout, he could be fired very quickly. The union they have is no help to them. Also, the have workmans comp so if they get hurt, they are screwed and have to go to court to get paid. If there was trouble, they laid back and let the police give and take the lumps, and I really can't blame them since the city does less for them than they do for us.
My idea is to hire lockup keepers from the standing police test. Train them, give them same rules and regs. My bet is that they will be on their best behavior until an actual police spot opens. They will have been background checked, fitness. And when they actually get out on the street they will already have
Earned tons of stuff. Computer system, etc.
Why train traffic aids.
11/18/2011 12:17:00 AM
This is an excellent idea.
Which is why the City didn't think of it. Gotta keep all those traffic aids happy, who all happen to be from one south side church, so they keep voting how they are told.
Fuck them sue the city rhamn and supt. for cutting out the the p.o.'s and putting them back on street as part of the 1000 extra..here comes the the backfire from all his stupid moves...go ahead and close and consolidate....mix all the prisoners from different areas in one place.....
My idea is to hire lockup keepers from the standing police test. Train them, give them same rules and regs. My bet is that they will be on their best behavior until an actual police spot opens. They will have been background checked, fitness. And when they actually get out on the street they will already have
Earned tons of stuff. Computer system, etc.
Why train traffic aids.
Never work... Makes too much sense
Ok. before those cry baby sworn lock up keepers soon to hit the street again start spreading rumors, they know damn well the same paper trail, and rules apply. Our city jails are governed by the state. And yes, CR Numbers, statements all apply. Actually, it's better for policemen when an incident occurs in lock up, and who have better representation, while civilian detention aides do not. This happened years ago, and seems to be happening all over again with the city trying to replace sworn police in lock ups, and police going out of their way to mistreat their fellow lock up assistants, and throw them under the bus.
These are not your typical civilian employees. They pretty much do the brunt of the work in lock up while the PO bosses them around. So, dont start this bullshit. As we all know, there are a lot of hardworking lock up keepers in our city, and there are a lot of fucking lazy dogs too.
For the idiot who brought up detention aide knowledge of the use of force. Read the order! NO WEAPONS in the Lock up. Detention Aides go through 8 weeks training at Academy, and know the use of force model. So, the next time you bring a prisoner into lock up, remind yourself, and make sure they're searched. There are no weapons in lock up. They actually look out for coppers when they fuck up their lock up procedures.
Anonymous said...
Civilian detention aides are trained in the use of force model and are authorized to execute what level is deemed necessary.
11/18/2011 12:41:00 AM
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While this may or may not be a good idea, after all there have been civilian lock up keepers for many years now, my question would be just who exactly can authorize a higer level of force by non-sworn personnel. Unless authorized by the ILCS it is meaningless, and could lead to a lot of trouble.
Has anyone seen the pay scale for detention aides? Its almost the same as police. Let them get jack potted by the miscreant prisoners. The responsiblity factor will now be totally on the civilian detention aides. Do you really think they are going to tolerate being accountable for everything ALL the time? Watch the changes in who is to blame this will generate.
Especially in light of yesterday's unfortunate occurrence.
What the murderer that hung himself...poooolease!
One sad aspect about all this is that civilian lock up keepers DO NOT HAVE ANY IOD PROTECTIONS. So if they get injured on duty fighting a savage then too bad. One of our lockup keepers in 025 on 3rd watch was beaten up really badly. His head and face was literally beaten in. Plus the prisoner made an attempt to escape out of the lockup. So if a lockup keeper gets injured, they have no iod status or pay for them. They must use up sick time and after that they get a big fat $0.00 every two weeks.
they are probably gonna do it like the suburbs. arresting officer will process his prisoner. photo and fingerprint him. seal property bag. lockup keepers will just be there monitoring the cell blocks. who knows.
Tiny Dancer and the Democrat Party have done more harm to the Chicago Police Department then anything the criminals or terrorists have ever done to us. We have gone from an outstanding and proud force of 13000 personnel to a remnant of 9000 demoralized crime fighters. This will always be seen as our Valley Forge. Will we be able to survive it?
All I have to say is watch out for these civilian lockup keepers some of them are all about counseling these arrestees and telling them exactly what to do and say to get a beef on us. And another thing its one thing to be paid $15 an hour to direct traffic totally different monster running a lock up, might be all good in the beginning but these traffic aids are gonna want more money and then how much is the city really gonna save?
If any of u traffic aids are reading, dealing with drunk assholes and gangbangers is worth at least $25 an hour don't settle for nothing less
Before I became a P.O. 20yrs ago I was a detention aide. They get CR's just like we do and are held responsible in the same way. Like the other poster stated they just get served differently. As far as use of force it is the same across the board for everyone same model. At one time the G.O. stated that there had to be a P.O. back there but that went out the window about 5 yrs ago or so. DA's can run the lockup just as well as a DA & P.O. combo can(2/1 3/1 etc.) They are all under one union (Unit 2 SEIU #?) SEIU is worse than AFSCME and peter the pied piper put together and hog tied. They have been working W/O a contract for a while and the Traffic Mismanagement Aides are in the same union that is how they are getting a chance to get the job before layoff. Hopefully they will hire off the street most TMA ppl are aloof and no functioning.
Signed
22 as P.O. 5 1/2 as a DA
Hey off topic does anyone know if they will hire extra security for places during the G whatever/Nato Summit next year?
I work a Beat car and could care less if a civilian works the lock up , desk or front office .
Let civilians write tickets and handle non violent crime case reports . More time for me to lock up the bad guys.
What do you mean "unfortunate occurrence?" A miserable lifelong criminal and murderer died by his own hand. I'd say that is a great big gift to society. The only unselfish act that bastard ever performed in his lousy existence.
What's this about an 80 yr old in the Acadamy,this is far more important than any of this other bullshit,get to the bottom of this,it much more interesting!
My idea........no one gives a shit about you,or us let alone our ideas,shut the hell up and get back to work!Lol!
Non sworn have follow the same CR process as sworn up to and including being stripped.
11/18/2011 08:47:00 AM
Duh, they already do. Know what you're talking about before you comment. Everyone thinks they know it all and can comment intelligently.
"Has any of this been discussed?"
Yeah, but not with anyone who will be directly affected by the outcome.
I dont think the city can use civilian lock up keepers as long as this contract is in effect They must re negotiate the contract and remove the bid rights of POs first
"Let civilians write tickets and handle non violent crime case reports . More time for me to lock up the bad guys.
11/18/2011 04:10:00 PM"
Bad Guys you mean the juvy reckless conducts, 1 blunt weed pinches & Dopws? Yeah go get'em Junior Crimefighter!
1:24 pm is right on the money
sworn officers will process their prisoners and civilians will feed and monitor cells every 15 min
bring prisoners to desk for bond
that's it
Get over it lockup keepers no more , your on the street now let's talk about what's really important our pensions.
They have been working W/O a contract for a while and the Traffic Mismanagement Aides are in the same union that is how they are getting a chance to get the job before layoff. Hopefully they will hire off the street most TMA ppl are aloof and no functioning.
Signed
22 as P.O. 5 1/2 as a DA
11/18/2011 03:23:00 PM
How did you get hired without going to school? Your ppst is a jumbled mess.
yup said...
I dont think the city can use civilian lock up keepers as long as this contract is in effect They must re negotiate the contract and remove the bid rights of POs first
11/18/2011 10:52:00 PM
The sworn lockup keepers who had an inside position will stay inside, just not in the lockup. The grievance is not triggered until they are tossed out on the street. Of course, if the former lockup PO asks to go on the street it is different.
yup said...
I dont think the city can use civilian lock up keepers as long as this contract is in effect They must re negotiate the contract and remove the bid rights of POs first
11/18/2011 10:52:00 PM
Yup, you are wrong again. The agreement has been worked out and sworn will leave the lockup Jan 1st. Civilians will process prisoners. But one minor problem. The civilian lockup keepers have not been hired and with Tracy Ladner in charge, they might not be hired before the end of the year breaking Rahm's promise.
I love when cops call others "civilians" trying to say they are not! News flash unless your on the job and in the miltary reserves... YOUR A CIVILIAN!
Non sworn have [to] follow the same CR process as sworn up to and including being stripped.
11/18/2011 08:47:00 AM
Duh, they already do. Know what you're talking about before you comment. Everyone thinks they know it all and can comment intelligently.
11/18/2011 09:13:00 PM
Hey dipwad, it was sarcasm. Read it again, very slowly, and then again and again until you get it. Then look in the mirror and see the idiot looking back at you.
civilian lock up keepers get the same c.r. process. Usually there is supposed to be one sworn officer. The standard is not the same as P.O. I've gone in lockups and they are watching t.v or doing something equally attention grabbing. I once had a death in custody where the person had rigor mortis.
OPS investigator.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
civilian lock up keepers get the same c.r. process. Usually there is supposed to be one sworn officer. The standard is not the same as P.O. I've gone in lockups and they are watching t.v or doing something equally attention grabbing. I once had a death in custody where the person had rigor mortis.
OPS investigator.
11/20/2011 09:17:00 AM
Go crawl back into your hole "investigator"!
I was a Traffic Aide for 11 years until I got laid off by our Mayor. I applied for the detention aide sopt. They have some civillian detetion aides working in 001 already how do treet them. When I stared out we worked with the police department before OEMC took us over its not our fault we got laid off all I am doing is looking for another job.
I love when cops call others "civilians" trying to say they are not! News flash unless your on the job and in the miltary reserves... YOUR A CIVILIAN!
11/19/2011 05:09:00 PM
Pull your head out of your ass and look up the word "civilian" in the dictionary. While your at find out the difference between "your" and "you're."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian
Definition of CIVILIAN
1
: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
2
a : one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force
b : outsider 1
— civilian adjective
12:19 am, the only correct response on here. All lockups are regulated by the State. The State requires a sworn officer in the lockup. But maybe rahmbo had quinn change that so there could be more SEIU thugs on the payroll.
I'm a member of SEIU, been a city employee for over 10 years, I've applied for this job....oh and guess what, I'm not a thug. I'm just a civil servant trying to improve my life.
Will Central Detention be run by Detention Aides only?
""...The agreement has been worked out and sworn will leave the lockup Jan 1st. Civilians will process prisoners..."
That just begs the question. If one or both of them 'throw a shoe' do we call ops command or cpik or whatever they want to call it to get a replacement civilian brought in, or what??
Oh no, I know, when this happens we'll just take someone off the street....Business as usual on this dept....
Will the P.O.s pulled from the Lock ups be placed on the desk?
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