The Narrative
The media wants to know if this is legit. We said probably:
- IN SUMMARY: R/O'S RESPONDED TO A CALL OF MARINE DISTRESS. UPON ARRIVAL, R/O'S ALONG WITH CFD BEGAN A SEARCH OF THE AREA FOR ANYBODY IN THE WATER. R/O'S LOCATED TWO UNK M/4'S IN THE WATER AT THE RIVERS EDGE STRUGGLING TO STAY AFLOAT. CFD PLACED A LADDER IN THE WATER ATTEMPTING TO RESCUE VICTIMS. AT THIS TIME THE VICTIM, A CPD MARINE UNIT OFFICER, RELATES HE WAS SQUATTING, ATTEMPTING TO ASSES THE SITUATION AND ASSIST IN THE RECOVERY OF THE VICTIMS WHEN THE NOW KNOWN OFFENDER BEGAN TO YELL " GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, GET THE FUCK BACK". THE VICTIM FURTHER RELATES THAT HE IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AS A MARINE UNIT OFFICER AND THE OFFENDER REPLIED " I DONT GIVE A FUCK" AND PROCEEDED TO GRAB THE VICTIM AND THROW HIM DOWN TO THE GROUND. THE VICTIM FURTHER RELATES THAT AS HE WAS ATTEMPTING TO STAND UP HE WAS PUSHED BACK DOWN AGAIN BY THE SAME OFFENDER. VICTIM STATES AFTER HE WAS PUSHED HE SUSTAINED MINOR INJURY TO THE BACK OF HIS HEAD. THE VICTIM WAS IN HIS MARINE UNIT ULTILTY UNIFORM. THIS WAS WITNESSED BY LISTED OFFICERS. UPON FURTHER INVESTIGATION IT WAS REVEALED THAT THE OFFENDER IS AN ON DUTY CFD CAPTAIN FROM SQUAD 1, FIRST DISTRICT, SECOND SHIFT. ACCORDING TO VICTIM AND WITNESSES, AT NO TIME DID P.O. SMITH PROVOKE OR TOUCH THE OFFENDER. ON DUTY WATCH COMMANDER MADE NOTIFICATION TO ON SCENE INCIDENT COMMANDER, CHIEF BATTALION 3 . AT THIS TIME NO ARREST HAS BEEN MADE.
CFD ON SCENE:
AMB 23 AND 53
ENG 2 AND 4
DIVE TEAM 688, 681, 687
SQUAD 1
TRUCK LADDER 10
BATT CHIEF 3
CPD ON SCENE:
1433R, 1471R, 1431R, 1410R, 1823R, 1320R, 1499
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
65 Comments:
Here we go...
Okay, wasn't channel nine there, filming this? Don't they have the incident on tape???? If not on tape, didn't their crew WITNESS it?
why hasnt this guy been arrested since this story finally went public?
yes, that would be the official narrative and facts of the case.
Is that the Altman, who ran the IAD of fire when his father was the Comm.? His uncle was a big boss in the Sheriff's department under both O'Grady and Sheahan. Interseting how things work!
I still cant wrap my mind around how any cop could stand by when this happened. Shame on you guys/girls for not getting your hands dirty. If any mf'r, regardless of rank, clout or position, laid hands on my partner i would bloody their nose in a heartbeat.
Oh my God! The leak shall be investigated the N'th degree...the actual assault, not so much!
WOW
DAMN at least 19 Police and nobody locked this MF up. I hope they stick together when interviewed. The Boss 1499 should get The Pussy Of The Year Award, and you don't have to dress up for that.
Thanks SCC--I wouldn't want to be reprimanded.
Who decided to write "minor injury" in the report???
The 14th district midnights motto is "one for all, everybody for me."
Perry the Platypus sets the tone.
The last thing we need at this time is a major rift between our Depts. As much as you'd love to hammer this complete idiot, we have to look at the big picture. Is this a simple battery....Yes. Is this worth the payback and hardfeelings...No. We need these guys and they need us, they have always been and continue to be, our friends,neighbors and unappreciated first responders.
Goddamnit. It's "R/Os"....not "R/O's"....get it through your thick skulls! And "assess"!!!!
was the clouted up douchebag really drunk??
I smell LAWSUIT!
Take the money and then retire from this shithole of a city Officer!
Da Pelon
I still cant wrap my mind around how any cop could stand by when this happened. Shame on you guys/girls for not getting your hands dirty. If any mf'r, regardless of rank, clout or position, laid hands on my partner i would bloody their nose in a heartbeat.
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Are you kidding me, coppers stand around when shit heads gang members fight the police. Just wait til G-8 when droves of coppers do nothing.
IPRA & the media would have these coppers fired, and our dept backs IPRA, remember that, They will fire you, hense why no coppers go hands on and hide now
Old Retired Lt says: I wasn't on scene, but if reports are true (case report)Beat 1499 should be ashamed of him/herself. The minute this happened the Fire Captain should have been arrested...PERIOD!! If some boss higher up said let him go...OK, fill out case report and put the name of that boss as ordering you to release this asshole. What has become of this Department...no wonder everyone is leaving. What if a Police Supervisor went up to a fireman on scence and committed Battery on him...what do you think would have happened?? I have to admit the current bosses are wimps..if you can't protect your people,retire and go into social work!!!!
1410R, 1320R, 1499
Which one was trying to bully the PO out of reporting this? We need to know who is on our side.
Tact Lt in 017 ran arrest totals. Most of us had 30 box 1/2 arrests total. When he warned us about being dumped, we said we don't want the g8 anyway. Big Deal! What an asshat. What does he expect when it is slow out here?
Many years ago I came across a drunk who was throwing bottles at cars. He tried to throw one at our squad and missed. We stopped and did a feel interview and the drunk told us he was a fireman. Sure enough he was. At this time we told him something to the effect that we would take him home before the citizens start insisting that he be arrested, since he was assaulting numerous pedestrians.
His comment to us: "Fuck you! You ain't taken me any where. I ain't drunk and I'll fucking kick your ass if you touch me."
We didn't want to screw over a fireman, but by now we are being approached by about 3 r 4 citizens, who didn't ask that he be arrested, but I could see it coming. So, as we get hold of him to get him out of there, he decides to throw a bottle at us and fight us right there on the street. My nice guy attitude went out the window and we locked the prick up. I hated to do it, but why should I have to take shit from someone who is suppose to be on my side? We went the whole nine yards and my partner and I didn't care what was said by us. We went over and beyond reasonableness with that goof.
I know that majority of fire and police personnel are good people, but it always seems that the "clouted" think they don't have to abide by the same rules as the pee-ons. If Altman was drunk, a battery offender and doing all of this while on duty - Fuck him. Evidently he did not give two shits about a copper just trying to do his job.
Finally, I want to reiterate that this is not about cop vs fire. It is about an out-of-control clout hack who has given both of our departments another black eye.
I know our brothers at the Fire Department know this guy is a jagoff. It the same Clout Babies there as here that screw things up but they never get punished.
Seriously? Someone can now batter an on-duty officer of the CPD and not get arrested, or at the very least receive a well earned wood shampoo? The long retired coppers who busted hippie heads during the 1968 Democratic Convention would never believe it has come to this. The pussification of the CPD is now complete. Unbelievable!
They should of locked the prick up right away, it would of been over with by now.
If he's a named offender on a case report then lock his ass up. we don't need for him to turn himself in.
Out the clout. Leave it wimpering on the curb with no pension or job. That's where I'd be if I had done something similiar. Oh by the way the p.o's buds should've tasered the drunk irish prick.
Does this mean Captain Altman "DONT GIVE A FUCK"? Seems like.
Sorry for backseat driving or monday morning quarterbacking, but I'm throwing my hat in with the critics here.
Absolute number one rule that has been violated is that nobody, and I mean nobody, is allowed to knowingly put hands on an on-duty police offier unless it is in an act of reasonable restraint. The silence of the CPD, CFD and mayor on this are an absolute abomination, and an invitation for attacks on the uniform and badge.
Why anybody is doing one lick of work after this is beyond me.
The victim should seek advice from Lovey and Lovey. I would file a suit against the city so fast......
This so called Captain should have been put in handcuffs! Most firemen are decent people. They have a few bad apples like we do.
Candy-Ass-Bosses, this CFD Clown still not charged? Wow, some police agency the CPD is. I heard this story all the way out in Arizona, and just said to myself, The Real CPD is GONE forever, it's all corruption and politics now. Too many Coppers afraid to do their job in fear of political harassment, etc. Which officer will be knocked around next by some Goof, and nothing done about it, due to the offender being Connected?
REAL CPD=Gone Forever
Why wasn't Altman locked up on the spot after he battered the P.O.? According to the narrative that is written here, there were several CPD units there, including a sergeant and either a lieutenant or a Captain (1499). Does anyone who was involved care to tell us why?
cool story bro
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is that the Altman, who ran the IAD of fire when his father was the Comm.? His uncle was a big boss in the Sheriff's department under both O'Grady and Sheahan. Interseting how things work!
11/16/2011 01:55:00 AM992
No his brother ran IAD when daddy was commisioner. go figure
I still cant wrap my mind around how any cop could stand by when this happened. Shame on you guys/girls for not getting your hands dirty. If any mf'r, regardless of rank, clout or position, laid hands on my partner i would bloody their nose in a heartbeat.
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I agree. Can't believe other officers on the scene did not take police action to support their partner.
Shame, shame.......
Cover it up and ignore it. Like the banking frauds and Operation Fast and Furious, the Solyndra fiasco, etc.
One huge ball of corruption.
Soon you will lose the peoples trust -- what's left of it. Then what? It's the people that give government it's authority to operate not the other way around.
What's missing...
Offender transported to hospital by Bt.---- W/C notified.
Oh my God! The leak shall be investigated the N'th degree...the actual assault, not so much!
11/16/2011 02:37:00 AM
Battery. Not assault.
The last thing we need at this time is a major rift between our Depts. As much as you'd love to hammer this complete idiot, we have to look at the big picture. Is this a simple battery....Yes. Is this worth the payback and hardfeelings...No. We need these guys and they need us, they have always been and continue to be, our friends,neighbors and unappreciated first responders.
11/16/2011 06:58:00 AM
FU Idiot, it is an Agg Batt!!!!!
Tact Lt in 017 ran arrest totals. Most of us had 30 box 1/2 arrests total. When he warned us about being dumped, we said we don't want the g8 anyway. Big Deal! What an asshat. What does he expect when it is slow out here?
11/16/2011 10:18:00 AM
HaHa, happens in my district with the sgt's all the time. I say dump me, I don't give a fuck, I got a few 2 year wonders waiting to take my spot. It's yours take it please. Who wants to work TAC now a days anyways. No perks!
Until all the facts come out,this Captain should be seen as the lifesaver he may have been that night...20ish C.F.D. and C.P.D. personnel rushing the River bank to help, late at night, in the dark,in mud, weeds, and trees... He was ordered to keep people without PFD's ( Personal floatation Devices) away from the water... During his duties ( though I do not agree with putting a hand on any officer),a dark clothed figure makes his way past the well respected Captain ( unlike some of his family members)and is grabbed and pushed back away from the water before ever realizing he is C.P.D... ( most likely saving him from sure drowning).. End of story
Anonymous said
...Goddamnit. It's "R/Os"....not "R/O's"....get it through your thick skulls! And "assess"!!!!
11/16/2011 07:38:00 AM
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Actually it is R/O's the apostrophe is for the contraction of officers. Thanks for playing.
would be better if spelling was correct (assess not asses) and what happened to the allegation he was drunk?
It's to bad! Appropriate action should have been take immediately by the battered officer and his partner. In other words the fire man should have been picking his teeth out his ass. A positive response then would have resolved this issue in a timely manner.
Shock therapy works when someone's having a "seizure " and is "hallucinating ".
Tazer that SOB until he needs a name tag.
So tell me something...
Since the other PO's on the scene were too scared to bust the punk CFD Capt for Battery to a PO...
How the hell can non-police City Works count on the CPD for back up?
CFD - "The Greatest Show on Earth!"
Anonymous said...
I still cant wrap my mind around how any cop could stand by when this happened. Shame on you guys/girls for not getting your hands dirty. If any mf'r, regardless of rank, clout or position, laid hands on my partner i would bloody their nose in a heartbeat.
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I agree. Can't believe other officers on the scene did not take police action to support their partner.
Shame, shame.......
I AGREE
Wish I was there I would've locked him....don't give a *uck I'm on midnites and they're closing 013...what are they gonna do send me to the jungle I'm already going there.
P.O. Garcia
The last thing we need at this time is a major rift between our Depts. As much as you'd love to hammer this complete idiot, we have to look at the big picture. Is this a simple battery....Yes. Is this worth the payback and hardfeelings...No. We need these guys and they need us, they have always been and continue to be, our friends,neighbors and unappreciated first responders.
11/16/2011 06:58:00 AM
We still got our CFD brothers backs. We are not putting them all down just dumbo. Chillax we are not divided over this stupidity.
Until all the facts come out,this Captain should be seen as the lifesaver he may have been that night...20ish C.F.D. and C.P.D. personnel rushing the River bank to help, late at night, in the dark,in mud, weeds, and trees... He was ordered to keep people without PFD's ( Personal floatation Devices) away from the water... During his duties ( though I do not agree with putting a hand on any officer),a dark clothed figure makes his way past the well respected Captain ( unlike some of his family members)and is grabbed and pushed back away from the water before ever realizing he is C.P.D... ( most likely saving him from sure drowning).. End of story
11/16/2011 06:04:00 PM
That's a bingo!
Spooky! Sounds exactly like what happened when Mayor Dickhead Daley's nephew got away with murder. Well? Just like American Express, CLOUT has its privileges.
Anonymous said...
Until all the facts come out,this Captain should be seen as the lifesaver he may have been that night...20ish C.F.D. and C.P.D. personnel rushing the River bank to help, late at night, in the dark,in mud, weeds, and trees... He was ordered to keep people without PFD's ( Personal floatation Devices) away from the water... During his duties ( though I do not agree with putting a hand on any officer),a dark clothed figure makes his way past the well respected Captain ( unlike some of his family members)and is grabbed and pushed back away from the water before ever realizing he is C.P.D... ( most likely saving him from sure drowning).. End of story
11/16/2011 06:04:00 PM
I got to assume this person is just fucking with us, but just in case he/she is not....Do you honestly think this Fire Captain saved the life of the Marine Unit officer by pushing him away?! I'll say it again... Marine Unit Officer. I know you need some serious whack in order to get in the Marine unit, but I'm %100 sure you also need to know how to swim!
Sign that captain up for the CFD football team. Maybe then they could beat CPD......
Actually it is R/O's the apostrophe is for the contraction of officers. Thanks for playing.
R/O is an abbreviation, adding the 's' makes it plural....."reporting officers (or R/Os) responded to a call of shots fired"
Adding apostrophe 's' shows possession...."the reporting officer's (or R/O's) dictionary was utilized to ascertain the correct spelling of 'assess'."
So.....
Take your incorrect idea of what a contraction is and shove it up your ass.
Typical lame case report. And let's all get real here for a minute. This CFD Captain is just another clouted up drunken Irish Welfare boss but don't sit here and act like CPD is any different. Be honest and admit that any po's that ever worked for anytime in a district can relate similar incidents committed by off duty and on duty CPD personnel who got away with the same or worse bullshit. Don't wanna believe it's true? Ask the guys who were in 015 in the mid 90's when the off duty po from 011 hit a couple of on duty po's at a drug deal shooting scene and then got charged and convicted criminally, suspended, fired and then with the help of his Reverend clout, his "play daddy" boss and the "race" card got his job back from the Police Board.
And let's not forget that the On Duty 015 cops who were Battery victims and doing their jobs that night were eventually handed down 15 day suspensions by the then Supt T.H.
So be truthful here and admit this City and the CFD and CPD are corrupt at the highest levels and if you got the clout you can and will get away with anything including murder.
Stop all the whining and realize this job sucks and has always sucked for the average copper. Remember all that matters is go home every night , live long and collect a pension and when you retire forget you ever worked for this City.
Until all the facts come out,this Captain should be seen as the lifesaver he may have been that night...20ish C.F.D. and C.P.D. personnel rushing the River bank to help, late at night, in the dark,in mud, weeds, and trees... He was ordered to keep people without PFD's ( Personal floatation Devices) away from the water... During his duties ( though I do not agree with putting a hand on any officer),a dark clothed figure makes his way past the well respected Captain ( unlike some of his family members)and is grabbed and pushed back away from the water before ever realizing he is C.P.D... ( most likely saving him from sure drowning).. End of story
How can it be "End of story" if, as you admit, all the facts aren't out ? Hypocrite.
Absolute number one rule that has been violated is that nobody, and I mean nobody, is allowed to knowingly put hands on an on-duty police offier unless it is in an act of reasonable restraint
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What difference does it make if it is a cop or not?
I am curious why it matters any. Cops are nothing special, just regular human beings. They won't die if someone merely touches them, any more then anyone else will.
Not a cop.
Try that with a trooper and you get your ass kicked, then arrested.
Just to clear the air: The officer that was attacked was in a squatting position, working when that coward fire captain attacked him. The back of the officer's head hit that concrete. While he was trying to get up to gain his balance and before he could get back on his feet, that ass wipe pushed him down again. What a coward you are to do that to someone not on even footing with you! Your so big and bad, you caused problems between cops and firefighters. I hope your guys kick the shit out of you and leave you in an alley somewhere. The days of your heavy duty clout are coming to an end! There are too many firefighters and police officers that this captain has screwed over. Now it's time for that dick head to get paid back for all those years he's screwed over firefighters and the police officer he attacked. I don't believe this is the only police officer he's abused but you better believe it will be the last one he'll do something like that to. This hasn't played all the way out yet and the media hasn't even gotten started on this one yet. Stay turned folks, I don't believe this is over yet. Now the whole city knows and believe it or not, everyone is pissed the hell off about it.
I once stopped a CFD firefighter for hit and run. citizens chased him and cornered him and held him for the police. He reached for his wallet first off and out came a CFD badge. Hit and run, didn't know if he killed anyone or not and first thing he does is lay the badge.
I cuffed him and brought him in. He had a warrant for a previous DUI and a revoked drivers license. CFD's finest. Drunk and still asking for a free pass as the 018th District lockup door slammed shut.
Then I notified CFD Internal Affairs and the Inspector General. Drunken idiot actually thought I would put my career on the line for his drunken ass. No way.
If I had been on the scene I would have that Captain in cuffs and leg shackles if it meant calling a 10-1.
Anonymous said...
Absolute number one rule that has been violated is that nobody, and I mean nobody, is allowed to knowingly put hands on an on-duty police offier unless it is in an act of reasonable restraint
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What difference does it make if it is a cop or not?
I am curious why it matters any. Cops are nothing special, just regular human beings. They won't die if someone merely touches them, any more then anyone else will.
Not a cop.
11/17/2011 02:46:00 PM
Many cops killed in the line of duty are killed with their own weapon. So no, no asshole on the street is going to lay hands on my and not get arrested. Or tasered or shot with a gun.
Let us know how many or your co-workers funerals you have attended and then give me shit about touching a cop. Go fuck yourself not a cop. A pat on the back is one thing, a push, a shove, an insulting or provoking touch or slap, off to jail you go. Anything more serious and you will be lucky to live to see the next day.
I once stopped a CFD firefighter for hit and run. citizens chased him and cornered him and held him for the police. He reached for his wallet first off and out came a CFD badge. Hit and run, didn't know if he killed anyone or not and first thing he does is lay the badge.
I cuffed him and brought him in. He had a warrant for a previous DUI and a revoked drivers license. CFD's finest. Drunk and still asking for a free pass as the 018th District lockup door slammed shut.
Then I notified CFD Internal Affairs and the Inspector General. Drunken idiot actually thought I would put my career on the line for his drunken ass. No way.
If I had been on the scene I would have that Captain in cuffs and leg shackles if it meant calling a 10-1.
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Just FYI , that fireman is still on the job
Anonymous said...
Actually it is R/O's the apostrophe is for the contraction of officers. Thanks for playing.
R/O is an abbreviation, adding the 's' makes it plural....."reporting officers (or R/Os) responded to a call of shots fired"
Adding apostrophe 's' shows possession...."the reporting officer's (or R/O's) dictionary was utilized to ascertain the correct spelling of 'assess'."
So.....
Take your incorrect idea of what a contraction is and shove it up your ass.
Whew! Was wondering if it was just me?
CPS education rears it's ugly head, once again.
IPRA & the media would have these coppers fired, and our dept backs IPRA, remember that, They will fire you, hense why no coppers go hands on and hide now
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I have seventeen years on. It has been a while since I have seen "hands on", Maybe it is me or where I work, I accept that. I got into some shit on the street this month, and handled it myself without back up. Took a risk. But, as much as I hate to say it, i wondered how the others on my watch would have handled what I had to do. WOuld they deal with it , or get on the radio and give "the play by play " as the offender fled. i hate to say I thought like this. The job and myself has changed. When G8 comes, you will have to fight. Do not confuse OWS with G8. The G8 people are not from around here and they will wreck this city. They will "pillage the village". They are the road team. You will have to fight to protect yourself. They will attempt to disarm you of your radio and weapon. They have tactics and commitment. You will have to meet them on some level. This is not a joke. You will have to be able to "carry a tune."
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