Prepare to be Screwed
Rarely if ever, have we seen a politician so openly contemptuous of a Department, so much so that he has no qualms about telling everyone exactly what he plans:
By pitching a shutout in his first big game on a new field, Mayor Rahm Emanuel has strengthened his hand when it comes to tackling the next big challenges ahead: pension reform and winning contract concessions from police and fire unions.
Emanuel’s $6.3 billion 2012 budget — and the $220 million in taxes, fines and fees needed to pay for it — scored a 50-to-0 vote in the City Council on Wednesday.
Moments after the final vote, Emanuel warned aldermen from the rostrum that it was only “the beginning” and that “hard decisions” await. Police and fire contracts expire June 30.
- Aldermen swallowed the mayor’s plan to more than double water and sewer rates over the next four years and lock in annual cost of living increases after that.
Evidently, that's not all the aldercreatures swallowed.
Upcoming contract negotiations are sure to be the worst ever, with 0% raises offered and all sorts of give-backs sought by the city. Arbitration is almost a certainty as the city cannot be trusted to bargain in good faith. We certainly hope the negotiators are doing their homework on this one.
Upcoming contract negotiations are sure to be the worst ever, with 0% raises offered and all sorts of give-backs sought by the city. Arbitration is almost a certainty as the city cannot be trusted to bargain in good faith. We certainly hope the negotiators are doing their homework on this one.
Labels: city politics
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
217 Comments:
he mentioned "pension reform" is next whatever that means...
New T Shirt Moto
Chaukie's Outline below the HEADING MAY 2012 / G 8
A lot of city workers voted for these guys. Now what. When are we going to send them a message and vote them out. A vote for the workers.
Screw Emanuel he got rich screwing over the taxpayers we work for our salaries unlike the part time alderman. Taxes are up inflation is on the rise food, gas, water city stickers all have had double digit increases we are going backwards earning less take home after the last contract. Tell Rahman that the TIF slush fund needs to be stopped Emanuel had no problem giving his staff nice raises.
Grab your ankles here it comes again!
Not everyone in Chicago will suffer or have to share the burden. Those who are connected will be fine. Wealthy assholes never pay. Politicians have stolen more than enough to make up for any new expenese they may have. The rest of us are fucked as usual.
As if this sanctuary city doesn't suck enough:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/us-probes-ties-between-mexican-zetas-chicago-area-12-arrested-in-chicago-another-in-texas/2011/11/16/gIQAfSZoSN_story.html
the cartels are here...... let's fuck with the police pensions now.
Don't expect a single Parker from this P.O.
We'll see how tight the Cities finances really are. Don't expect the city employees to take cuts if the aldermen get raises. He already gave 10% raises to his staff.
Mike Shields: Start getting the public to hear the words "Forensic Audit"
Face it, there's no more money.
It had to come to this, no raises.
Look at the private sector. Many people have lost jobs and those that found new ones are working for a lot less. A LOT less.
Now, it is starting to hit the government sector. No raise or get laid off. Believe me, you don't want to lose your job in THIS economy.
Welcome to the party!
Look at it this way, you're not getting screwed, it's the "new normal".
More people have to look beyond their own job and circumstances to get a better idea of how bad this economy is.
You bitched at 2% but believe me, most people working in the private sector would look at that as a decent raise (especially if they took a 10% cut or had to change jobs and took a 30-50% cut)
Having said that, if it was up to me, I would have cut the aldermen in half to 25 and taken all that money (including those $1 Million+ ward funds) to give to police and fire. I would have found the money.
We can do without Aldermen, but we cannot do without police and fire.
Not a LEO, JAFO.
If the Alderman rubber-stamp everything from any mayor, why do we 50 of the useless POS's?
20 would be more than plenty.
I thought the democrats were suppose to be the friend of public sector union employees? Anyone got Vaseline because this is going to hurt.
Rahm we are watching you enjoy your dinners on the Gold Coast.
Tact Lt in 017 ran arrest totals. Most of us had 30 box 1/2 arrests total. When he warned us about being dumped, we said we don't want the g8 anyway. Big Deal! What an asshat. What does he expect when it is slow out here?
11/16/2011 10:18:00 AM
HaHa, happens in my district with the sgt's all the time. I say dump me, I don't give a fuck, I got a few 2 year wonders waiting to take my spot. It's yours take it please. Who wants to work TAC now a days anyways. No perks!
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Yes indeed!
Of course the aldercreatures approved the budget. He probably threatened them with the next budget which would likely include 50% less aldermen. That means their appointed relatives and friends will lose their jobs too. Now, we can't have THAT, can we?
Someday all city services will be privatized. I'm sure that will all be for "the children" too. Some twisted logic will be thrown around in an attempt to make that point. Frightened aldercreatures will vote for that too.
Every single person holding office in this state should be recalled.
It's pretty difficult to be sympathetic to your cause.
Especially when the average citizen sees that the only people that are willing to stand up and really fight for it -- to get in the faces of the lawmakers -- are the Occupy Wall Street crowd -- and they are demeaned, ridiculed, labeled as smelly, stupid, morons, idiots that should "get a job" and are told to stop living in mommy's basement and finally arrested for their efforts.
Yeah...we know. Just follow your orders though.
It feels like martyrs on a career suicide mission.
What's the point of negotiating a contract if failing to meet the obligations of that contract have no consequences. I just don't get it.
There's all these great speeches and fear mongering about the pension cost and one of the largest cost is to pay the interest on borrowed money because the city did not meet it's obligations in bringing the pensions up to the 95% level in the first place as they signed onto during the last negotiations.
Where's the union? Where's everybody, the rank and file? The so-called brotherhood?
All I see are a bunch of so-called morons stinking up the State Capitol building in Springfield fighting for you.
check it out... Rahm's going full tilt and he has you all in a trick bag >>
http://capitolfax.com/2011/11/16/civic-committee-wont-push-for-pension-vote-until-spring-session/
Evidently, that's not all the aldercreatures swallowed.
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Just like the good ol' days. Hail to the chief. Not one spitter in the crowd.
We may have to march around city hall again boys and girls.
All city unions are in big trouble and so are our pensions just wait...
Best thing the union could do is drag their feet and let the negotions last for years. No different then last couple contracts. They are already bleeding us on the personnal issue and we got screwed last contract too.
0% raises expected even in the light of raises being given to political cronies, hacks, and relatives.
Dollar after dollar being squeezed from the pockets of the working poor who go out day after day, trying to provide for their families while the sloth democrat sleeps in and waits for the checks while singing FREE FREE FREE FREE!
Public sentiment against police at an all time high.
G8 and NATO summits here in 6-months?
BUT GIVE BACKS AND CONCESSIONS?
NOT A CHANCE IN HELL! YOU CAN KISS MY HIGH TAXPAYING ASS!
Id be satisfied with no raise and not losing any of the other benefits. But with coppers dum enough to give up health care for a couple of thousand in retro pay im sure we w ill get fucked. Just look at the lack of interest in the fact that we are about to lose our pensions and its evident no one cares.
Hey SCC, this may be off topic but what happened?
I have over 20 yrs on and I reflect back on what once was and I have no answers, what happened to the job? I was fortunate to catch the final glory days of once was the Great Chicago Police Department, but I really never thought it would come to this. Can anyone name a go to guy in the district or area that you can cpunt on to see a critical situation through? Remember their were Det.'s that were the Ones to handle all police shootings/involved shit. How bout the old saved guys who would stop you and " hey kid what the fuck are you thinking"... Look At the retirement fliers, whole lot of experience leaving this job, now what? theirs NOONE LEFT!!!! Is it everyone for himself? Do we just lock the doors and drive the main streets? Can we count on our commander who is a political appointee to have our back on a complicated
situation? Where are the Frank Papes on this job? The Chris Cato's of the D unit? The Charlie Fords of the Areas? Where are the teams that went out looking for real bad guys with orders to " not let this go to court, street adjust it, permanently".... I just want to retire as soon as possible...before I see the department completely disassembled before my own eyes....
Channel 7 just did a story on G8/Nato and all I'm thinking of is 'who is zooming who?'....hang on 9.5 if you think this is all gonna be good for your political ambtitions when it's all over. It could get very ugly for you if you think we're just 'the help.'
0% across the board for sure, duty availability, uniform allowance, supervisors quarterly, elimination of some holidays is just the beginning! When we refuse he will start his "media negotiations," accusing us of not sharing in the "sacrifice;" public opinion of us will plummet further, as we are portrayed as greedy; lest they forget that we have sacrificed more than anyone, more than 2,000 positions eliminated from the budget! one man cars or downed cars nightly in nice districts so that the ghetto can have 100 officers per shift! a pension fund that only we contribute to, which they want to dive into next! How about the Alderman start sacrificing, say eliminating half of them!
Shield's ran on 25% raise & no give backs. Well see how this turns out.
"I come. From a cop family and I know what it takes so you have a night stick go out and use it" yes these are his words to a group of officers at officer flisks benefit before the election I called BS and told him All we want is the bosses and the mayor to have our backs we aren't going out and beating people we just want to do our job and have the support we deserve. of course he smiled hissed at me and shook my hand with his cold dead flesh and said "i understand"...LIFM
Up yours Rahm! I hope the arbitrator sees that you and Quinn have doubled the cost of living in Chicago in the past year and gives us an appropriate wage increase to off set your faulty economics. My you and the rest of the City Council rot in hell. Start making cuts to the aldermen and the welfare state where true reform is needed and take the saddle off the middle class for a while.
I've said it before and I'll say it again--Rahm is going to eat Shields alive.
And we will let it all heppen because we dont stick together. Rahm is going to screw everythinghe can to make himself look good for his presidential run.
Hope that cushy spot was worth it.
Don't expect a single Parker from this P.O.
I disagree...hammer the ctizen with everything you got. Cause gridlock at rushour. Let the backlogs go crazy. Write a report for everything. But we dont stick together so just forget it.
How long did it take to settle our last contract?
Oh, come on. He's a fine mayor. Here a fine, there a fine, everwhere a fine fine.
"Never let a good crisis go to waste."
Tiny Dancer
I'm all for pension reform: NO elected official(politician) gets a pension or any benefits. You made the laws, now live by them, you fucking assholes.
Do those locked cost of living raises apply to the aldermen & the mayor himself as well? Doubt it. They need to start accepting cuts as well. Like less aldermen for a start. We along with CFD need to start our own protest, occupy city hall !!!! Whose gonna police us at our own protest? I was part of an informational picket at city hall that the union organized about 8 years ago and it was amazing to see how we took over the surrounding streets and marched right up to the 5th floor chanting together demanding a contract & better working conditions without any resistance at all. A few exempts were running around yelling at coppers who were getting a little wild standing on cars and blocking traffic but they couldn't control it. Many CFD showed up to march with us. Rahm wants to lower or take away our pensions that we contributed 9% per check, which at the start of our career was roughly $800.00 a month and has gone up as pay raises do, and we were guaranteed by contract as a condition of taking this shitty job. At the very minimum they better give us back the 9% money they stole out of every check before they try to tell us theyre bankrupt and were out of luck. The mayor & those city council thieves are going to be out of luck!!!! A lot of these city workers live paycheck to paycheck and are counting on that pension to live off of after retirement and most of them have guns!
People without water meters should start sharing or selling their water to make up for these insane increases. And they want to charge more for sewage? My whole block floods numerous times a year because this shithloe city put in sewer blocks which they pick and choose to close city wide during heavy rain fall. My basement apartment had 2 feet of water the last heavy rain this summer and it ruined everything causing so much mold i had to gut it to the bare cement walls. What sewer service am i paying for?
Didn't Rahm just give all his upper management people throughout the city 5-20% raises or was I hallucinating when I read that shit in the news a couple short months ago???
Anonymous said...
And we will let it all heppen because we dont stick together. Rahm is going to screw everythinghe can to make himself look good for his presidential run.
Hope that cushy spot was worth it.
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Lemme have some of what you're drinking cause I need a laugh! Rahm? For President?
He may WANT to be president but after this fool in the white house now, you think they'll put another Chicago criminal in the White House? One of the reasons that Rick Perry is having trouble (besides the fact he can't debate) is that we already had a substandard president from Texas, do we want another one? Jeb Bush wanted to be president, we already had 2 of them as presidents, we won't get a third. The USA will not elect ANOTHER fool from Illinois to the White House.
Anonymous said...
Hey Bt 2362A, Baby Huey and Tactical Princess, can you stop littering the lockup with TB ridden piss bums. If not, please take your lame act back south!
11/15/2011 09:45:00 PM
She's like a piece of gum stuck to his shoe. And can't make a decision to save her life.
Um, what decisions need to be made when all they do is arrest beggers?? Two embarrasments.
Go to arbitration. End of story. We are in fact indentured servants. We are forced to live in the city and thereby forced to drink city water, pay city stickers, taxes etc. By merely being forced to live here we are giving back. Are all the illegal aliens going to give back or are they going to keep multiplying in our lovely Sanctuary city.
If it's so bad out there, then why can the Federal Government give social security benefits recipients a 3.5% COLA increase set to take effect this December, which will be payable for Jan 2012?
What am I missing here?
HMMMM THE PRIVATE SECTOR?
I FORGET SO MANY OFFICERS HAVE DEGREE IN BIZ-NESS THAT EVERY NEWSPAPER THEY READ BECOMES A FACT.
SO THE PRIVATE SECTOR LETS U LIVE WHERE U WANT TO LIVE.
THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOESNT DEDUCT CASH OUT OF UR CHECK FOR WATER BILLS AND PARKING TICKETS.
THE PRIVATE SECTORS HAVE WEEKENDS OFF.
MOST BUSINESSES DONT HAVE A MIDNIGHT SHIFT.
THE PRIVATE SECTOR DOESNT HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO STAB U OR SPIT ON U ON A DAILY BASIS.
SO ALL U ECONOMIST FIGURE IN HOW MUCH THAT IS WORTH COMPARED TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
AND LIKE GOOD O AGUILAR SAID AT THE FOP MEETING "WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING TILL THE CITY TELLS US"
NOT 1 ALDERMAN WILL LEAK ANYTHING TO FOP YET ELECTION TIME COMES AROUND AND WATCH!
Be happy if we keep what we have and don't lose anything. I would be fine with zero pay raise and keep the other benefits. It's the economic times and everyone is hurting
Im going to write even more parkers and movers . I want the good citizens who voted for this jag to dare cry about the cost. They won't be able to pay and will get booted and towed. Good luck getting it out with the increased fees. Im going to hit every bit of my district.
What ever happened to the 'haircut standards' posters from the 70's that used to be in the roll call rooms?
11/16/2011 11:37:00 PM
Haircut standards? What are those. Some officer in 002 has a spiked Mohawk and is covered with tats... Looks like a punk rock biker..........but yet is allowed to look this way . Oh well.
You bitched at 2% but believe me, most people working in the private sector would look at that as a decent raise (especially if they took a 10% cut or had to change jobs and took a 30-50% cut)
That is true, now. But I'm sure if you go back to the last decade, would the private sector say the same thing about a 2% raise?
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics "The average annual pay of U.S. workers rose by 5.9 percent in 2000, according to preliminary data.
I am going to laugh my ass off when Obama and Axelrod throw him in front of the bus over the Solyndra case.
What's the point of negotiating a contract if failing to meet the obligations of that contract have no consequences. I just don't get it.
A very good point.
I suppose we wouldn't be as angry if they didn't waste so much money. We see them piss it away every day. Maybe it's time we all start to tell where the bodies are buried. Hell, it's time to draw them a map. If the Media won't listen, there's always the Internet, right SCC? You know who you are, speak up!
Gee, how did this one get past me. Where's the out cry over this?
http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/8198728-452/ex-madigan-worker-gets-213418-from-city-pension-three-government-jobs.html
A P.O. Said.............Fuck you and every piece of dog shit kiss ass politician and person that supports you! Rahm, keep on pushing muthafka cause I got one last nerve just for your ass.
Since they make us live here then why the fuck are they not obligated to pay us so we can afford it! What a fucking joke!!!
And everyone thought Daley was a jag off....
put residency on the table now!!!!!!!!!
the aldi killer/robber hung himself in area 2
If Shields is smart he lets the contract negoations go for a couple years maybe 3 or even 4 years! Its ALL RETROACTIVE!!!!!! Our old contract is in full force while we wait for the economy to get better and we give up noting! Accumliate all information on city budget and 28% raises Rahm just gave his staff and the 6% per year alderthiefs get along with what TIG collects with NO oversight.
Last year the elected representives in springfield formed their OWN pension reform fund without any other unions or employees in the funds not even the judges, just themselfs. They are seperate and protected form ALL the other pensions this was planned two years ago and everybody thought I was crazy when I claimed the selling of the parking meters was childs play compaired to what their going to steal and give away from our paid pensions!
The teachers fund will be the first to go, just before daley retired the law was changed for the city to forgo their contribution until 2017 under Huberman. Daley consolidated his three pensions into his state elected representive fund and collects from their fumd NOT the city or county which will most likely go belly up in the next couple years.
Last year Rahm stated he wants the laws changed so TEACHERS CAN NOT STRIKE because they are essential employees of the city like Police and Fireman he was also talking about the Laborers International union but dropped them their city pension is over 80% funded. Rahm don't want to piss off those guys. He wants ALL city employees privateized or as indentured servants under his thumb! If we thought Daley was bad Rahm is just getting started and it's going to be a rough ride! E M R L
Rahm started to test the union months ago to see how they would react. He pushed on the bodyguards and the union did nothing.He pushed on the background investigators and the union did nothing. He pushed on the closing of the districts and lockups and the union did nothing. Those jobs went to civilians. Even though the contract says at page 40 that the bid positions can't be eliminated while the contract is in effect. Rahm now knows the union won't do anything while he picks their pockets.
I guess you folks haven't seen the bills that were put up a few months ago have ya?
Apparently nobody is aware that Mr. Cocksucker Emanuel has his shithead friends spark up bills to the legislature that completely alter the arbitration rules in this state. How could that have slipped by all those who think they've been watching this shit?
For those who never paid attention, the following was the gist of what the cocksucker tried to pull against us with arbitration rules:
No longer would ONE person be selected by both parties, but rather a whole PANEL of people would have to be chosen with ONE scumbag running the whole show. That means Mr. Cocksucker has many more attempts to coerce ONE of those arbiters not to mention the fuckstick lawyer running the show.
#2. Arbitration won't be taking "forever" as this was also covered in the bill, which means Mr. Cocksucker can claim "impasse" whenever he wants and send it straight to all his fucking buddies to "rule" on.
#3. If Mr. Cocksucker Emanuel doesn't like what the arbitration board came up with, he can summarily say FUCK YOU, I REJECT to the board and send it back, where it then is "reevaluated" by the fuckstick lawyers in a "light that favors the City".
So go look up that bill kids and see what's happened with it, because NO ONE seems to have paid any attention to it and if it passed you can consider this a court fight.
Yes, the Racoon shithead never attempted to destroy "collective bargaining" in Illinois like Walker.... he just made it so that he never actually has to "bargain" rather just claim an impasses when you don't fully take what he offers.
If that bill became law, we're fucked.
Now is EXACTLY when Shields should be fighting this cocksucker in the media just as the cocksucker does to us. THAT MEANS AIR TIME PAL, THAT MEANS TV ADS. THAT MEANS MONEY HAS TO BE SPENT OUT OF THE COFFERS TO PAY FOR IT.
HaHa, happens in my district with the sgt's all the time. I say dump me, I don't give a fuck, I got a few 2 year wonders waiting to take my spot. It's yours take it please. Who wants to work TAC now a days anyways. No perks!
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You must be one of those hard charging do nothing all talk tact guys!! You say you don't want to work tact and hope they dump you. Bid off of tact if you don't wantto be there, why wait until they dump you. Be a bigger person then all talk. But you wont and next year you'll still be bitching about how they can "dump me."
Anonymous said...
How long did it take to settle our last contract?
11/17/2011 05:38:00 AM
Almost 3 years. Look for a settlement around June 2015. I will be retired by then with my pension locked in and free health insurance. And I will never again purchase a Chicago City Sticker.
Rahm fails to cut number of alderman in half
Daley family has sworn body guards
Burke still has city car and bodyguards that are retired police officers , payed by city of chicago
CPD will keep duty availability
supervisors will lose quarterly checks and 45 min a day comp time
we will lose a few holidays , bfd's or personal days
cpd is screwed
ILLinois continues to plummet downhill as Chicagoans are spineless and don't care. In the meantime, the politicians and other hacks take care of each other.
Don't expect a single Parker from this P.O.
I disagree...hammer the ctizen with everything you got. Cause gridlock at rushour. Let the backlogs go crazy. Write a report for everything. But we dont stick together so just forget it.
11/17/2011 05:34:00 AM
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I agree with the first person on not writing parkers or doing anything else for that matter. If you hammer the citizens all you will do is feed 9.5's coffers and turn the public against us. This would strengthen 9.5's position and weaken ours. Do only what you have to, nothing more – no proactive policing. When the revenue starts drying up, 9.5 will start to feel it. When the crime starts going through the roof the aldercreatures will feel it from the citizens. Explain to the citizens that we are way undermanned and the aldercreatures and 9.5 just don't care. We need the public on our side. This is a was of hearts and minds. However, I do agree with writing a report for everything.
For all you young coppers out there still busting your asses to bring in numbers, all you are doing is hurting yourselves in the long run.
Crying on some blog ain't going to stop him. We need something else
Big command changes coming tomorrow. Wanted to get them done before Thanksgiving. Count on it.
Tact lt. in 017 wants a gold star so bad he can taste it. His head is up the commander's ass so far she better not stop abruptly. We will gladly go back to the watch Lt. Good luck getting replacements. Not too many naive newbies to pick from.
Off topic again. To the 20 year misty-eyed vet wondering what happened: Think about what you're saying. Don't let this go to court? Street adjustments? Permanently? One of the main reasons we have completely lost the faith and confidence of the citizenry is that, as good as these guys were, they were human and, yes, made mistakes. With an attitude like you describe, those mistakes were and continue to be very costly. Watch a local newscast or read a paper every other day. It never ends. We are not, and never were, above the law, much to the chagrin of some of the hard chargers on the job. When we become judge, jury, and executioner because we think we have such a noble calling, then we are truly doomed.
This might be a bitter pill to swallow, but there might not be a choice. Yes, you can say vote these people out because they will not give you a raise or increase in benefits. But, the sad truth is there might not be enough money to do anything else. Other cities are laying off cops and giveing the cops paycuts. The national recession is effecting just about every state. Yes, you can blame the democrats for the giveaways and the welfare states, but nevertheless, there is a problem that has to be overcome. Many think tansk have come to the conclusion that it is impossible for the governments to tax their ways out of this mess and pay and benefits will have to be reduced . What these polititions will not address is the salaries and benefits of other government workers, the fact that they far exceed what the private sector is paying. The politicians have taken care of themselves and their interests and I doubt that many cuts will effect them. However, you do not want to lose your job in this economy for you stand to lose everything you have.
the same ones who will be crying about what rahm will rahm down our throats next year are the same ones who write movers, parkers, and tow cars all night long--- I am not advocating going out and doing nothing, just ride out your jobs in the appropriate fashion--- if you have to hang a parker or write a mover, do so--- just stop all the free lance bullshit....
This is typical Democratic thinking. Beat up on the taxpayer. Their voter base is the welfare leach. A democrat doesn't care how bad things get as long as they stay in power.
This is plan B.
With out Christians and lions Soldiers field and stockings park didn't calm the masses!
Bagels and Circus's won't work either.
This is a working man's town not sanctuary city or parasite village.
I hope I don't have to say: WAS!
Blame Daly for this mess. Rahm is just mopping up the carnage that piece of shit left behind.
hahahahaha I Just filled out and Indiana State Trooper application. Fuck this City, State and County. This department can kiss my lilly white ass!
It will be interesting to see what happens next year with contract negotiations for the teachers and the transit workers. Daley took care of the other unions for labor peace until after any possible olympics. The best job in the state of illinois next to alderman and legislators), is a tradesman with the city of chicago or the county of cook. Personel costs are 85% of government and when you need to cut the cost of government, you will to cut the cost of personnel. When you have your tradesman and sanitation workers and transit workers making a lot more then the national average you can see where this is going, as it should.
Don't blame me I voted for Gary Chico
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there a bunch of new alderman, including a CPD and CFD employee? If so, it's good to see they stood up to Rahm and voted this budget down.... Oh wait, never mind!!! F@cking P#ssies!!!
Sgt R. F. for 005th District Commander because the South Side needs another know it all do nothing midget here
these are the same pols that will want you to be forceful when g 8 comes to town. and if things get ugly, they will throw you under the bus. and the tax payers will foot the bill.
Hey SCC, this may be off topic but what happened?
I have over 20 yrs on and I reflect back on what once was and I have no answers, what happened to the job? I was fortunate to catch the final glory days of once was the Great Chicago Police Department, but I really never thought it would come to this. Can anyone name a go to guy in the district or area that you can cpunt on to see a critical situation through? Remember their were Det.'s that were the Ones to handle all police shootings/involved shit. How bout the old saved guys who would stop you and " hey kid what the fuck are you thinking"... Look At the retirement fliers, whole lot of experience leaving this job, now what? theirs NOONE LEFT!!!! Is it everyone for himself? Do we just lock the doors and drive the main streets? Can we count on our commander who is a political appointee to have our back on a complicated
situation? Where are the Frank Papes on this job? The Chris Cato's of the D unit? The Charlie Fords of the Areas? Where are the teams that went out looking for real bad guys with orders to " not let this go to court, street adjust it, permanently".... I just want to retire as soon as possible...before I see the department completely disassembled before my own eyes....
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It's called cameras. You are going to "street adjust" something? Better do a TRR. No TRR and someone videotapes it now what genius? You put your hands on someone you better document why. Welcome to the world of policing 2011 style.
With the lack of manpower there should be more than enough money for a raise. 1000 retirees this year and 100 new recruits in the academy... You do the math. He's hiding money in the rainy day fund the city has. What an asshole. We know what's going on and the FOP better start a media campaign to do something about it.
Hey Rahm, many of us are not buying into your bullshit and know what you are attempting to pull-off.
What happened to remapping Aldermatic Wards?
Are you Afraid, skeleton in your closet????
Time will tell.....
"...he will start his "media negotiations," accusing us of not sharing in the "sacrifice;" public opinion of us will plummet further, as we are portrayed as greedy;"
That's when our counter-media negotiations and commercials & billboard campaign will have to go into high gear. If Rahm & company can use fear mongering as a tactic, so can we.
"lest they forget that we have sacrificed more than anyone..."
Not only have we sacrificed the things you mentioned, but on how many other jobs, particularly these days, where so many Americans are desk-bound paper pushers and data entry clerks, do employees get murdered? Five officers in recent memory. Regrettably we'll have to commercialize the deaths of our brothers and sisters, but to let them have died in vain would be even more regrettable.
Anonymous said...
Its the Chicago Police Dept NOT SAMCRO...welcome to reality...one is your job the other a TV show. So my point is this, no one respects a Police Officer who has sleeve tattoos..ponytail (or dreads, braids)biker wear,beard and skull rings. We all know your tough and a bad ass...or are you? I remember some REAL bad ass coppers and guess what? They had none of the above mentioned. THEY looked professional and were not fucked with based on their actions NOT what they looked like.
11/17/2011 01:15:00 AM...i disagree..in fact..its just the oposite....most citizens in the black or hispanic neighborhoods, can relate with P.O.'s that have dreads or earings or tattoos...its the white neighborhoods and the white P.O.'s that are so bothered/offended at P.O.'s that look different...times have changed...its a very casual world...where ever you go...problem is..most "old school" wannabees..think we should all look like them...babyfaced...fat...hair combed to the side..a mouth full of chewing tobacco..and talk only about high school football...i hear these same P.O's complaining all the time about the new vest covers..and how they refuse to buy anything new...and they still wear the blue vest cover that they came on the job with...and look like shit in...but they have the ball cap..if only it could be green and have a shamrock on it and be worn backward...maybe some day...
Anonymous said...
I thought the democrats were suppose to be the friend of public sector union employees? Anyone got Vaseline because this is going to hurt.
And let's be honest us Republicans are voting to do away with any pensions. The Tea Party is right!
Come on Conservatives back us up on this. Throw out Obama, throw out Rahm, throw out pensions and get this country back on the right track!
Shut-off the free water spigots to the non-profits, the churches, both
legit and make believe, and the hospitals since water and sewer rates will double. Why should they
get a free pass when homeowners will be paying more, and we don't get to keep "all" of our money that
comes in, we HAVE to pay taxes on all or part of it.
All you crime fighters keep producing. The whole dept is laughing at you
Anonymous said...
Tact Lt in 017 ran arrest totals. Most of us had 30 box 1/2 arrests total. When he warned us about being dumped, we said we don't want the g8 anyway. Big Deal! What an asshat. What does he expect when it is slow out here?
11/16/2011 10:18:00 AM
30 arrests! Wow! Way too many for the month. I try to stay in the 10-15 range. No sense chasing your tail just for a meaningless stat.
Anonymous said...
Up yours Rahm! I hope the arbitrator sees that you and Quinn have doubled the cost of living in Chicago in the past year and gives us an appropriate wage increase to off set your faulty economics. My you and the rest of the City Council rot in hell. Start making cuts to the aldermen and the welfare state where true reform is needed and take the saddle off the middle class for a while.
11/17/2011 04:29:00 AM
And we are held captive in this city by employement. At what point does it become unfair to constantly increase taxes, fees etc. etc., while forcing residency. Under Rahm the cost of living will be increased the most. If the city offers us 0% then we would have a 10% raise over 9 years. Hope that the arbitrator see the light.
Don't be satisfied with just having a job. We need our raises just like Raum's staff got. let the negotiations begin...
I would think Rhambo has told the Aldersucks that if push came to shove he would have to cut some of them... so of course he will get a 50 to 0 vote.... for WHATEVER he wants...
LISTEN.....They want to think your lucky you have a job, thye are lucky they have us. Show me your hidden money. They are saving millions on early retirements. We keep doing more with less.. Screw them.
Anonymous JAFO said...
Face it, there's no more money.
It had to come to this, no raises.
Look at the private sector. Many people have lost jobs and those that found new ones are working for a lot less. A LOT less.
Now, it is starting to hit the government sector. No raise or get laid off. Believe me, you don't want to lose your job in THIS economy.
Welcome to the party!
Look at it this way, you're not getting screwed, it's the "new normal".
More people have to look beyond their own job and circumstances to get a better idea of how bad this economy is.
You bitched at 2% but believe me, most people working in the private sector would look at that as a decent raise (especially if they took a 10% cut or had to change jobs and took a 30-50% cut)
Having said that, if it was up to me, I would have cut the aldermen in half to 25 and taken all that money (including those $1 Million+ ward funds) to give to police and fire. I would have found the money.
We can do without Aldermen, but we cannot do without police and fire.
Not a LEO, JAFO.
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11/17/2011 12:43:00 AM
I do understand how you feel but we do not work in the private sector. A lot of us took this job knowing that we would job security, a decent salary and a partial pension when we retire.
I good times and bad we received at most 3-4 percent raises, in bad times less. A lot of times it looks like we are getting more because the city dragged their feet for 2 years or more and had to give us back pay. Mind you back pay with no interest that they have been sitting on earning interest themselves. The city always figures in raises for each budget and if they can put off giving them to us it is a plus for them.
You talk about our raises. We will get a great 1 percent raise this January. I know you said the private sector haven't gotten raises or took cuts well so did the CPD. They under hired for the last 3 years while keeping the over 1000 empty spots in the budget. The money was there for them. Where did it go?
(And there is money, look up the term TIF and see how much there is laying around)
Just a few short years ago when the economy was booming I had friends in the private sector getting 5-10 percent raises and bragging about their investments and how they would retire early. Some of them even would ask me why I kept working for the city. Now they are some of the same ones out of work complaining about us who get public pensions.
On to pensions. Did you know we pay 9 percent of paycheck, every paycheck, into our pensions plan. DO you save 9 percent of every paycheck? This does not include other investments that we put into like Deferred comp and credit union. We do not pay into SS but most of us pay into medicare. A lot of us work second jobs to get our social security benefits and you know what? Thanks to Dan Rostenkowski (SP?) we are lucky to get 60 percent of what we should get because he considered our pensions a "Windfall" and cut our benefits.
After all this I have to work 30 years to get 75 percent max of my salary for pension. The reason the pensions are messed up is because the City has missed paying their part and paid late many times and has wanted to use the pension money as their own little piggy bank. Miriam Santos tried to keep Daley's paws off the pension money years ago and she was railroaded.
I could go on but I know its a long post and complicated.
I hope the economy improves and you get a good pay raise my private sector friend.
OT
how much did our union pay to revamp the fop website...to fix something that wasn't broken?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I've said it before and I'll say it again--Rahm is going to eat Shields alive.
11/17/2011 05:23:00 AM
Wow! all the anti-Shields talk! We and you jagball need to back up Shields! Maybe just maybe email him, or at least be united we are all in this together! You can like Shields or hate him doesn't matter this is "our union," our contract" boys and girls agreed will be rough ride and we are all on the same horse!
What do we have to do to get f o p to start running ads on the radio/ tv. We need to get our side out there we pay into our pension the city stole our money now they are making us out to ne the bad guys.maybe we need to start a petition to get some ads out there before its to late maybe that will get f o p to get the hint because simply telling them is not working.
Just wait til you dont get 1% in Jan.
It's pretty difficult to be sympathetic to your cause.
Spoken like a useful idiot.
Does the average citizen see a shitload of worthless scum living off of the working taxpayer?
TAXPAYERS, btw, includes ALL CPD & CFD sworn and civilian employees. How about some cutbacks on the handouts? At least working people work for their pay.
The OWS crowd is labeled smelly and stupid because that is what they are.
Rebels without a clue.
If you think you can fill the blue shirts with $1.98 an hour mental midgets w/o a pension you are in for a rude awakening.
cut the 50
Start the petition now website
f.o.p. needs to get it together as to why the staff gets raises and bring that up on the news and at negotiations..remember everyone everybody loves this guy and see no wrong just shaking up everything and the public sees it as a clean up you know how the public is.......good nite sheep sleep....ha ha ha
how many event numbers are required per tour to stay on a tact team?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We may have to march around city hall again boys and girls.
11/17/2011 01:34:00 AM
Yeah, let's keep marching and protesting. A lot good that has done right?
Rahmmie scored millions with Fannie May/Freddie Mac, the democratic money tree that bankrupted America. He could at the very least work for nothing and donate his salary "to the children" It may help him in the future at his sentencing.
"Pension reform" is coming soon. The law is already written and it was supposed to be voted on in the last legislative/fall veto session. It's called SB0512. That is the bill number. That bill was written about a year ago. It was written by attorneys so it could withstand a legal challenge asserting that it goes against the Illinois constitution (i.e. pension benefits can not be diminished).
The new law will set up a three tier pension system. Do you still want a nice pension? Then pay up. You will need to contribute more money. Or you can get a hybrid. You can get a traditional pension and a 401K (a 50%/50% split). Or you can get a complete 100% 401K type of retirement.
Also, if you think that with 20 to 28 years on the job you are safe think again. The pension fund has about 7 to 10 years of money left. Once the money is gone. It's gone.
All I can say to my fellow police officers after all of this is that continue to work hard. Write parkers, movers, two and impound cars. Generate revenue for this city and make a lot of arrests. Keep working hard. The mayor and city council appreciate you.
Anonymous said...
Tact Lt in 017 ran arrest totals. Most of us had 30 box 1/2 arrests total. When he warned us about being dumped, we said we don't want the g8 anyway. Big Deal! What an asshat. What does he expect when it is slow out here?
11/16/2011 10:18:00 AM
HaHa, happens in my district with the sgt's all the time. I say dump me, I don't give a fuck, I got a few 2 year wonders waiting to take my spot. It's yours take it please. Who wants to work TAC now a days anyways. No perks!
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Yes indeed!
11/17/2011 01:02:00 AM
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Now's the time to show your true colors and bid to a watch. My guess is that you're all talk!
Look at the private sector. Many people have lost jobs and those that found new ones are working for a lot less. A LOT less.
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Back in the 90's, many people in the PRIVATE sector laughed at us for taking such a low paying,demanding job. We knew we weren't going to be rich, but we sure did like the security. Society needs police. I am so sick of being told to be grateful and smile that we are not screwed like the PRIVATE sector. We were right!!!
I told you so!
Signed
Garry Chico
Tact Lt in 017 ran arrest totals. Most of us had 30 box 1/2 arrests total. When he warned us about being dumped, we said we don't want the g8 anyway. Big Deal! What an asshat. What does he expect when it is slow out here?
11/16/2011 10:18:00 AM
HaHa, happens in my district with the sgt's all the time. I say dump me, I don't give a fuck, I got a few 2 year wonders waiting to take my spot. It's yours take it please. Who wants to work TAC now a days anyways. No perks!
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Yes indeed!
11/17/2011 01:02:00 AM
They expect you to change your hours at the drop of a dime,be the front line at Nato/G8 and keep the numbers up like they always have.
Now when you ask for something they say sorry kid! I used to think it was just my district but now I see its city wide. The Lt's and Sgt's think you can run a tact team like the watch!
I say Why deal with all of that nonsense when you can work the watch, and all you have to worry about is answering the radio?
The hardest part for any officer is change. When you decide to do it you will be happy you did, and have less stress in your life. I did.
The only reason I can think of why anyone would want to work tact is to get off midnights!
Stay safe.
Don't expect a single Parker from this P.O.
I disagree...hammer the ctizen with everything you got. Cause gridlock at rushour. Let the backlogs go crazy. Write a report for everything. But we dont stick together so just forget it.
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Oh I'll still do my job; Back up my fellow P.O.'s, lock up bad guys when they need to be locked up, and get as much OT as i can.
But I'm not gonna hammer hadworking citizens with petty as parkers/ movers and other dumb shit when all it is going to is raise revenue for these greedy politicians who will continue to cry poor. You want to stick together? Do your job as long as it doesn't raise revenue. They have plenty of money.
Hey SCC, this may be off topic but what happened?
I have over 20 yrs on and I reflect back on what once was and I have no answers, what happened to the job? I was fortunate to catch the final glory days of once was the Great Chicago Police Department, but I really never thought it would come to this. Can anyone name a go to guy in the district or area that you can cpunt on to see a critical situation through? Remember their were Det.'s that were the Ones to handle all police shootings/involved shit. How bout the old saved guys who would stop you and " hey kid what the fuck are you thinking"... Look At the retirement fliers, whole lot of experience leaving this job, now what? theirs NOONE LEFT!!!! Is it everyone for himself? Do we just lock the doors and drive the main streets? Can we count on our commander who is a political appointee to have our back on a complicated
situation? Where are the Frank Papes on this job? The Chris Cato's of the D unit? The Charlie Fords of the Areas? Where are the teams that went out looking for real bad guys with orders to " not let this go to court, street adjust it, permanently".... I just want to retire as soon as possible...before I see the department completely disassembled before my own eyes....
Theyre are still alot of old school coppers, I was taught by alot of them who are now gone. Within the last 5-8 years it's not that there aren't any go to guys, it's these hair gels who don't listen, think they know everything and basically tell you to F off. When I came on and a old timer told me something, I didn't take it as an insult, I learned by it. 90% of this job is learning on the street. And this is why I don't say anything unless someone approaches and asks
O.t. congratulations to 1st watch 002nd district captain Martinez. On your retirement you have been an inspiration.
Sgt.recon
Po's please stip writing movers and parkers its not gonna get u anywhere. Fuck this city
Ali Baba,
We couldn't handle the gay pride parade, which is considered a tame crowd; what makes you think we're properly equipped to handle a more hostile crowd in May?
I'll be the only guy yelling "Assemble this", [as I wave my baton in a circular upward motion, and flicking off Rham with the other hand].
Protect your brothers and sisters out there, cause right now, we're all we got.
-Still don't have a gas mask
SCC, any info on the comments made by Commander Ball at the last Comstat meeting? I'm hearing that after he was grilled for couple of hours in this newest version of "I'm more important than you" that he told the other exempts"not too worry as McCarthy will be gone one day and one of you will be replacing him". I'm pretty sure he then retired as the guy standing in front of me at the retirement line on Tuesday was an exempt that looked like Ball.
FUCK IT, lets all act like firemen. We all set up a cot in the station. You get a call over the radio and head out. Then head back and watch some TV plan your dinner take a nap.
The problem is that too much has been promised, and no money is available. It's the same story with many government programs. So we're all going to have to suffer; the Chicago Police are not being singled out to bear the burden. Too many Chicagoans have lost their jobs and their homes, and they just don't have the resources to pay the taxes and fines that Emmanuel is going to try to milk out of them. In fact, many of them are leaving. You have been lied to. The whole state has been lied to.
You can argue politics all you want, but you cannot argue with math.
Can I get a number for an 1811, and dispersing 3 from hot spot number 2
we are not screwed. I elected Mike Shields and he will punish Rahm
People without water meters should start sharing or selling their water to make up for these insane increases. And they want to charge more for sewage? My whole block floods numerous times a year because this shithloe city put in sewer blocks which they pick and choose to close city wide during heavy rain fall. My basement apartment had 2 feet of water the last heavy rain this summer and it ruined everything causing so much mold i had to gut it to the bare cement walls. What sewer service am i paying for?
remember that stupid ad. "steel toe boots" the working man is for rham. yeah right! lol where is that guy now?
Fuck this guy. FOP shouldn't budge an inch with this asshole. He won't negotiate in good faith. In fact he really won't negotiate at all he'll just try to take,take, take.
He'll also try to negotiate in the media by muddying us up as unreasonable greedy bastards.
I predict an ugly, ugly negotiating process that will ultimately wind up in the hands of an arbitrator. When it does I assure you Rahm will try to "reach" the arbitrator to pressure him/her.
Where is our union with all this happening...does anyone know...seems they are a month behind all information instead of being on top of it....off topic how in the world did the bill that Cross is trying to pass, is half way there...Mark Donahue are you even in springfield or just another ghost payroller, just as you were when you were the president....
time to go on the PR offensive. ''we re the pillars of our communities''an intricate part of a stable community. we cant let you leave the city.
So who is the prick sergeant in 013 on 2nd watch today who told the dispatcher to REDLINE a car that he did not relize was in court?
He sounds like another
MERIT-PRICK moron.
Face it, there's no more money.
It had to come to this, no raises.
Look at the private sector. Many people have lost jobs and those that found new ones are working for a lot less. A LOT less.
Now, it is starting to hit the government sector. No raise or get laid off. Believe me, you don't want to lose your job in THIS economy.
Welcome to the party!
Look at it this way, you're not getting screwed, it's the "new normal".
More people have to look beyond their own job and circumstances to get a better idea of how bad this economy is.
You bitched at 2% but believe me, most people working in the private sector would look at that as a decent raise (especially if they took a 10% cut or had to change jobs and took a 30-50% cut)
Having said that, if it was up to me, I would have cut the aldermen in half to 25 and taken all that money (including those $1 Million+ ward funds) to give to police and fire. I would have found the money.
We can do without Aldermen, but we cannot do without police and fire.
Not a LEO, JAFO.
11/17/2011 12:43:00 AM
We bitched about our raises because they were RETROACTIVE! We worked without a contract for years and were awarded a retroactive raise based on the CURRENT economic climate. It would be like me agreeing to pay you your rate of 2 grand to do my roof. You do it and three years later I finally pay you, but only pay 1800 because I frittered my finances away and blame you for my shitty bookkeeping. And I tell you be glad you get paid at all. Make sense?
Prepare to be screwed? My friend what in the hell do think we have been getting for the past couple of years!!!!!!!!!!
Stop hiring outside sissy's to run our department!
OT- why is an on duty P.O. in an unmarked car at O'Hare picking up the mother of the Chief of CompStat?
Who were the six Captains that helped the Administration draft the new Executive Officer order without their Unions knowledge and consent?
Yeah go tact! lock em up! get em all you hard charging dummies!!!!!!!
It's clear you have no time and experience on this job, signed complaint's or nothing! These bosses will not stand behind you when shit hits the fan and it will hit the fan, you will be standing there 99. Don't be the 1700 HRS news, it's not worth it. It's just not worth it anymore.
Be safe Men & Women in Blue
Rahm has absolutely no intention of ever making the city's required contributions to our pension fund. The state will force the city to do so in 2015 but Rahm is already working to try and find a way around that. This guy is absolute scum.
If he has his way we'd be barely making more than minimum wage and we'd have bare bones health care and a ridiculously reduced pension.
City employee salaries comprise over eighty percent of the budget. You do the math and figure what Rahm and his thugs are going to go after. If we think that retiring at age fifty with a relatively large pension and free health care will continue, we are deluding ourselves.
What's the point of negotiating a contract if failing to meet the obligations of that contract have no consequences. I just don't get it.
A very good point.
11/17/2011 07:22:00 AM
I don't know, ask Don O'Neil the prick in charge of MLAS, his advice and attitude is let them grieve, who cares. When the City loses,the penalty is not enough to dissuade further violations.
Lets see, we along with every other City agency have done nothing but bash and call names and belittle the new mayor even before he was elected.
Now you expect him to be nice to the Police. Now it is pay back tome and Rahm is laughing all the way to the bank!!!
You had better start looking for a third or fourth part time job so you can afford that city sticker and keep your water turned on.
This guy will spend the rest of his days fucking over the Police and enjoy doing it.
The sad part is that we have no one to blame but ourselves.
One thing I was taught at a very young age is that when you go to a restaurant you never screw around with the person who will serve you food.
Is it just me or what? Every time see a comment written in ALL CAPS I just scroll right over it an on to the next post. It's so annoying and difficult to digest.
This is typical Democratic thinking. Beat up on the taxpayer. Their voter base is the welfare leach. A democrat doesn't care how bad things get as long as they stay in power.
You said it, all you people who vote democrat need to wake up!!! The democrats that are elected today cater to all the shit heads we lock up because that's there voting base. Think about how it's been the last 15 years in this city. Rahm is going to whatever he get to break the unions and take more from us, if he were a democrat of 20 years ago there would be a no confidence vote to get his ass out. But they keep giving to the social programs and taking more and more from us workers who barely make it with all the expenses in this city, state and county. Do you think the shithead you lock up cares if he has unpaid tickets, or bills? Not a chance in hell because sooner or later some program will help them out. Everyone needs to wake up, the democratic machine in Chicago is well on its way to be the social program machine. Tell everyone to start voting, be happy if we don't lose much with our contracts and don't think of a raise! Just remember if they take too much the city can become much more violent then it already is when we stop caring and don't hurry for anything besides to help each other. If we all stick together we can make a difference, don't be a sell out and start now thing everyone you know what this prick is doing and going to do into the future to the working class, we need to back a strong republican candidate early and get the word out, no more Rahm. We could show them with the G8, if all the officers on tact request to be reassigned to the watch, see what 35th street does then, it would fuck them! We need to start now, send the message
HaHa, happens in my district with the sgt's all the time. I say dump me, I don't give a fuck, I got a few 2 year wonders waiting to take my spot. It's yours take it please. Who wants to work TAC now a days anyways. No perks!
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Big talker. Why not just jump off tac on your own? If it has no perks, why are you still there doing their bidding? Bullshit walking is what you are.
I believe that in order to remove a percentage of Aldermen, a vote has to be taken by the Legislature in Springfield. I think that they are mandated by law to have 50 Aldermen in this wretched town.
Raccoon Eyes and his minions scoff at the idea when they read this blog (and you know some of them do)to have the good folks call for the immediate reduction of Aldermen. They know it can't happen without a vote from Springfield.
A concerted effort to lobby lawmakers downstate to reduce the number of Aldermen must be made!
Hey 20 yrs vet. What else do you want back, Burge?
Thunder? 'Midnight crew? Frank Papas threw a handcuff prisoner head first down a sewer. Is this what you want back those pos?
OT- why is an on duty P.O. in an unmarked car at O'Hare picking up the mother of the Chief of CompStat?
11/17/2011 03:15:00 PM
The bigger question is who pays for the relatives of our NY royalty to continually fly in and out of Chicago. Tax dollars at work.
Who were the six Captains that helped the Administration draft the new Executive Officer order without their Unions knowledge and consent?
11/17/2011 03:16:00 PM
Look to former Captain now pseudo commander O'Neill. He's a know-it-all stroke that's bad for this dept.
Tact Lt in 017 ran arrest totals. Most of us had 30 box 1/2 arrests total. When he warned us about being dumped, we said we don't want the g8 anyway. Big Deal! What an asshat. What does he expect when it is slow out here?
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FUCK that Tact Lt. from 017
On the watch, If I have more than a couple of arrests a month, That's alot!
Go back to the watch! No headaches and U can say fuck off with those numbers!
Just get prepared to be fucked out of our Pension!
KMA 019
So THIS is what the Feds are doing with their time!
http://tinyurl.com/bwo56oq
The U.S. Justice Department will investigate whether Miami police violated the constitutional rights of seven black men who were shot to death by officers over an eight-month span, raising tensions in the inner city and sparking demands for an independent review.
can we bring up how much revenue is raised by police from parkers, movers, anovs, tows, impounds, court costs and fines dished out by judges because of the work we do. Can somoeone come up with those numbers?
agree to take the same raise as his alderman take. I think that's fair.
The city has the trump card no matter how you look at it. It is called "Bankruptcy"- even the threat of it would change everything. With it, just about everything is voided. Look at Jefferson County and other small municipalities that have declared it.
Whoever had the idea about the Chalkie G8/Nato shirts, I'll buy a dozen! It is sheer brilliance. Especially if we have a march around city hall, which I'm sure we will. We really need to get our msg. out there that we contribute to our pensions, it's not some gift bestowed upon us--and that Daley failed to meet his mandated payments by the city.
I agree, forensic audit is in order. And why no criminal charges about Vanecko and our missing money and also, he and Patrick's interests is that company that got city contracts that was covered up?
Bill Daley on the outs w/the White house. Maybe times are a-changin'.
Look, let's be honest here. The city is broke. We, as revenue generators, need to do our part to bring the $$$ in. Obviously those with the most should bear a lot of the burden. I'm calling on every one of you to sign out a few ticket books and get to writing. I think we should paper Rahm's neighborhood, Richie's wealthy little enclave on south prarie and all the Well to Do's and Have's up in the Gold Coast with every parker we can scrounge up. City stickers, hydrants, handicaps, too close to the intersection, driveways, no front plate, obscured plates. Then lets whack all those rich double parkers at the restaurants and boutiques that only Rahm's rich power broker friends can afford. I'm sure they won't mind. If i was pulling in millions in no bid contracts from the city I'd take a ticket every day and not complain. I personally am going to try writing a book a day. All you ghetto coppers just keep locking up the beast and stay safe. You do enough already and we appreciate it. If it weren't for you the beast would be at our doorsteps. This is a job for the coasters. Oooh, don't forget to keep a sharp eye on all those Bentleys, Porsches, Range Rovers and Benzs tooling around the Near North. They're always doing the rolling stops and such. TVB those bluebloods and don't give no I-Bonds. We'll have the city in the green by the end of 2012. I'm sure Rahm will love us for it.
I suspect a lot of DUI's can be had coming out of Gibson's, Hugo's, Carmines....et al.. Those generate a lot of cash for the city and take a danger to life off the street. Let's hit them every night as well. Heaven knows after Rahm finishes with us I'll have to confine my drinking to Milwaukee's Best, On Sale and in my basement. So let's fire up that breathalizer and look for weaving exotics and ultra-luxury cars. Again, Rahm's friends won't mind. They know Rahm needs the money.
I have a question and since I no longer reside in the fair state of Illinois maybe someone can bring it up to some responsible person. Did our Pension Fund have any exposure at all to the MF Global blow up. That is a firm that just went bankrupt. I was wondering if any of those illustrious advisors that are hired would know???????????????????????????
old retired guy
You bitched at 2% but believe me, most people working in the private sector would look at that as a decent raise (especially if they took a 10% cut or had to change jobs and took a 30-50% cut).
Good You call your private sector friends when the beast is grabbing your kid, or to lock those "undocumented" bangers shooting up your block.
FOP UPDATE
The FOP has lost the first portion of the abritration grievance to the cancelation of the 5th period furloughs.
The word is they are not going to fight it.
FUCK YOU FOP.
Go to arbitration. End of story. We are in fact indentured servants. We are forced to live in the city and thereby forced to drink city water, pay city stickers, taxes etc. By merely being forced to live here we are giving back. Are all the illegal aliens going to give back or are they going to keep multiplying in our lovely Sanctuary city.
Just like I stated before, George Pullman.
Look at the private sector. Many people have lost jobs and those that found new ones are working for a lot less. A LOT less.
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Back in the 90's, many people in the PRIVATE sector laughed at us for taking such a low paying,demanding job. We knew we weren't going to be rich, but we sure did like the security. Society needs police. I am so sick of being told to be grateful and smile that we are not screwed like the PRIVATE sector. We were right!!!
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I AGREE 100%
We got screwed last contract when everyone else got 4% plus raises. We keep falling behind, next step Walmart.
017 Capt. D.D. wonders why the manpower is so low on afternoons?? Well dumbass you chased about 12 to 15 p.o.'s of the watch, out of the district, REMEMBER telling the rollcalls if you dont like here in 017 on my watch {afternoons} then bid out!!!! THEY ALL DID AND YOU WILL HAVE THAT RETIREMENT PARTY IN THE PHONEBOOTH BY YOURSELF WITH WALLY!!!
Could it be that the aldermen were given a raise in thier expensee account, money to secure their offices. These pooches are going to join him in screwwing us to death come july 1st, 2012. He is going to use us to help with the Nato/ G8 bullshit and then give us a bigger screwing then Sandusky gave them boys. Rahm really pulled a good one on the people of this city. Forgewt the crap that if Daley was still here the city would be bankrupt, Rahm is a rich man getting richer. This con job about open government, etc. He is playing us like a piano.
O.t. congratulations to 1st watch 002nd district captain Martinez. On your retirement you have been an inspiration.
Sgt.recon
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Yeah Lucio, good riddance...now go take your vampire Liberace looking ass outta here.
Commander of mlas = cpd brown nose
Youse guys & girls,ya miss me yet?
he mentioned "pension reform" is next whatever that means...
11/17/2011 12:10:00 AM
What that means is that we are going to be paying alot morwe into the pension to receive our benefit when we retire.
It we dont agree to it, our pension amount will be reduced and any of you dumbasses out there think that cant happen need a brain transplant.
Then in a few years, we will be asked to increase our amount again or lose the benfit amount and so on and so on.
If we dont agree to it, our pension amount will be reduced. The rahminator has the coity and state legislative branches in his pockets and no amount of buses in springfield will change that.
They cant eliminate the pension because of the state constitution. But they can change and amend it. And it will be significant.
Eventually you will pay 15 to 20% of your check to receive your agreed upon benefit.
I've said it before and I'll say it again--Rahm is going to eat Shields alive.
11/17/2011 05:23:00 AM
LOLOL..You aren't kidding.
LIL Mikey is in deep shit..
An accountant does not make a good union boss......
You had better start looking for a third or fourth part time job so you can afford that city sticker and keep your water turned on.
The sad part is that we have no one to blame but ourselves.
You can kiss my ass, I am registering my plates to my Sublet IL, property and won't buy a city sticker until contract is settled or Rahm is gone... we were on him before he was elected because we knew his intentions, but idiots like you either gave him your vote, or more than likely never bothered to vote... which in fact, makes it our fault, he isnt afraid of us actually showing up at the polls to vote, we are lathargic.... until we actually pose a threat as a voting bloc, he will continue his union busting agenda... if you aren't an active voter you are a bigger piece of shit than he is...
Look at the private sector. Many people have lost jobs and those that found new ones are working for a lot less. A LOT less.
While all the while, the wealthy making more and more money/profits...
Just because it happened in private sector doesn't Mean it was right or that we should be ok with it... enough is enough, quit making excused for why we should accept it...
quota sgt , merit lieutenant ,
merit captain , district commander ,
dumped back to merit captain
now retired merit captain
bye bye good luck
Anonymous said... Tact Lt in 017 ran arrest totals. Most of us had 30 box 1/2 arrests total. When he warned us about being dumped, we said we don't want the g8 anyway. Big Deal! What an asshat. What does he expect when it is slow out here?
11/16/2011 10:18:00 AM
30 arrests! Wow! Way too many for the month. I try to stay in the 10-15 range. No sense chasing your tail just for a meaningless stat.
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Thats 30 a year guys.
john said...
I have a question and since I no longer reside in the fair state of Illinois maybe someone can bring it up to some responsible person. Did our Pension Fund have any exposure at all to the MF Global blow up. That is a firm that just went bankrupt. I was wondering if any of those illustrious advisors that are hired would know???????????????????????????
old retired guy
11/17/2011 06:13:00 PM
No, it was exposed to something much much worse like Mayor Daley and his family and friends.
Anonymous said...
Tact lt. in 017 wants a gold star so bad he can taste it. His head is up the commander's ass so far she better not stop abruptly. We will gladly go back to the watch Lt. Good luck getting replacements. Not too many naive newbies to pick from.
11/17/2011 09:08:00 AM
Then go back to the watch, ya sissy moron.
You know...all I hear is the private sector bullshit. Those people made a TON of money with no reasonable glass ceiling stopping them. Also, besides being in the MILITARY, there is no other job where the SUPREME Sacrafice is made and where if you get SERIOUSLY injured...you are FUCKED! You can't compare the two. Look around....Tax money is generated all the time in Chicago...not long ago empty lots were replaced by high rise condos. Business strips replaced run down areas. The fucking money is there so the politicians can kiss my ass and follow the rules that were put into place when we entered this contract with the Pension system. And WE DESERVE a competitive cost of living raise if we have to live in this city. Cut the fucking bullshit and take care of the Men and Women who take care of the people living and passing through this city. Enough Bullshit. Honor your commitments...we honor OURS, sometimes with our lives.
Anonymous said...
Who were the six Captains that helped the Administration draft the new Executive Officer order without their Unions knowledge and consent?
11/17/2011 03:16:00 PM
Johnson from 002, Stevens from 005, Jones from 009, Smith from 011, Payne from 014 and O'Connell from 019.
My basement apartment had 2 feet of water the last heavy rain this summer and it ruined everything causing so much mold i had to gut it to the bare cement walls.
11/17/2011 02:19:00 PM
Damn it, man! Hold your head high and stand up for yourself. Tell your Mom you want your old bedroom back on the main floor because the basement isn't working for you. And don't take no for an answer.
"What that means is that we are going to be paying alot morwe into the pension to receive our benefit when we retire.
It we dont agree to it, our pension amount will be reduced and any of you dumbasses out there think that cant happen need a brain transplant.
Then in a few years, we will be asked to increase our amount again or lose the benfit amount and so on and so on.
If we dont agree to it, our pension amount will be reduced. The rahminator has the coity and state legislative branches in his pockets and no amount of buses in springfield will change that.
They cant eliminate the pension because of the state constitution. But they can change and amend it. And it will be significant.
Eventually you will pay 15 to 20% of your check to receive your agreed upon benefit."
This is exactly the reason why I won't take that option. Anyone who thinks that the city and the ballerina won't come back in the future and say contributions need to increase is smoking the shit they should have inventoried. Give me my money plus cumulative, compounding interest and I'm gone from this city. I'll walk away from my underwater home and leave the keys on the counter. I'll start a new life far away from this city and never look back. There is more to life outside of this city and this job!
Last year I left CPD after 10 working to join a medium city dept in the south. There is less crime I take my work car home and just made Sgt I can retire 20 80% Chicago and Illinois are the joke of the country. Please please leave if u can. Be safe and worry and take care of each other, no one there cares about u
Term limits for alderman really if they can't steal enough in one term they are not smart enough to be an alderman.
If the aldercreatures were limited to one term fewer of them would be going to jail.
at least coppers are getting lots of OT thanks to the same people fighting for your pensions. stop protecting the corpratocracy JOIN US! JOIN US! JOIN US!
Our fealfull leader has decreeded that Detective will clear cases exceptional to that end all the detective are attending training to that end.
So Detective you cleared this case exceptional not you want to charge my client with it. That is what is going to happen and if you give into presure and clear a pattern based on no real facts the bosses wil not take the hit. Detective are being told they will be dumped if the do not clear enough cases! morebull shit to come
"...why no criminal charges about Vanecko and our missing money..."
He didn't outright steal the money, he invested it poorly, but not before getting his fees.
maybe altman can give him a push,
Why are there so many IDIOTS on this blog saying, "I will take a 0%raise,as long as we dont lose anything else" its morons like yall that they are counting on!! I expect and deserve atleast a 12% raise and so do you!!!!
"The city has the trump card no matter how you look at it. It is called "Bankruptcy"- even the threat of it would change everything. With it, just about everything is voided. Look at Jefferson County and other small municipalities that have declared it."
Nah. That would be counter to Rahm's political goals. He wants to show what an excellent manager he is & be Chicago's savior.
017 Capt. D.D. wonders why the manpower is so low on afternoons?? Well dumbass you chased about 12 to 15 p.o.'s of the watch, out of the district, REMEMBER telling the rollcalls if you dont like here in 017 on my watch {afternoons} then bid out!!!! THEY ALL DID AND YOU WILL HAVE THAT RETIREMENT PARTY IN THE PHONEBOOTH BY YOURSELF WITH WALLY!!!
11/17/2011 08:27:00 PM
Party? Are you serious? For that treacherous thing?
Her retirement will cause people to stay away from 017's party IN DROVES. She'll singlehandedly KILL the party ticket sales.
The city has the trump card no matter how you look at it. It is called "Bankruptcy"- even the threat of it would change everything. With it, just about everything is voided. Look at Jefferson County and other small municipalities that have declared it.
11/17/2011 05:59:00 PM
If Rahm Emanuel initiated and presided over the bankruptcy of Chicago, he could kiss his presidential aspirations goodbye.
He wants the presidency, and he wants it bad.
Oh, and for those who will bleat 'he said he isn't interested in being president', just remember that this is the man who promised to cut the number of aldermen and who swears speed-cameras, increased fines and city stickers, water bills and parking fees are all FOR THE CHILDREN. If you haven't figured it out, he LIES.
Is it just me or what? Every time see a comment written in ALL CAPS I just scroll right over it an on to the next post. It's so annoying and difficult to digest.
11/17/2011 04:50:00 PM
It isn't just you. I don't read them, ever. It's too irritating to bother with.
Lets see, we along with every other City agency have done nothing but bash and call names and belittle the new mayor even before he was elected.
Now you expect him to be nice to the Police. Now it is pay back tome and Rahm is laughing all the way to the bank!!!
You had better start looking for a third or fourth part time job so you can afford that city sticker and keep your water turned on.
This guy will spend the rest of his days fucking over the Police and enjoy doing it.
The sad part is that we have no one to blame but ourselves.
One thing I was taught at a very young age is that when you go to a restaurant you never screw around with the person who will serve you food.
11/17/2011 04:40:00 PM
Ah, so you believe it is better to roll over and be abused or even enslaved than it is to stand up for what is right?
From what you have posted here, you seem like EXACTLY the kind of person every dictator in history counted on, hoped for, dreamed of. The perfect, docile, willing victim.
What's that quote? All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to stand by and do nothing.
OT- why is an on duty P.O. in an unmarked car at O'Hare picking up the mother of the Chief of CompStat?
11/17/2011 03:15:00 PM
Sounds like theft of City services and abuse of someone's authority.
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The problem is that too much has been promised, and no money is available. It's the same story with many government programs. So we're all going to have to suffer; the Chicago Police are not being singled out to bear the burden. Too many Chicagoans have lost their jobs and their homes, and they just don't have the resources to pay the taxes and fines that Emmanuel is going to try to milk out of them. In fact, many of them are leaving. You have been lied to. The whole state has been lied to.
You can argue politics all you want, but you cannot argue with math.
11/17/2011 01:45:00 PM
I sure as hell CAN argue the math.
If there's no money for cops and basic services like pothole repair, there isn't any money for any of the following...
Revoke that increase in 'discretionary' money the aldermen were just given and the raise they voted for themselves, too. Find the loophole that will give the City back the income from its own parking meters.
Stop building useless, high-maintenance flowerbox obstructions on every city street. Make EVERY event pay for police, water, electricity and physical repairs required as a result of their event. (That one, alone, could recover a huge amount of money for the City coffers.)
Have a one-year moratorium on new projects. Just delay every new program and project for 365 days. (It's what we do at our house, when there's no money in the budget for 'new' anything. We can't spend what we don't have in our bank account and neither should the City.)
Then, start working on ways to make people WANT to buy houses here (=city transfer tax income, sales tax on goods and groceries, jobs for bakers, cashiers, dry cleaners, realtors and movers). Find ways to maintain and utilize the existing housing, rather than bulldozing it and laying waste to whole neighborhoods.
Find ways to staff and implement existing programs by using enthusiastic young college students, rather than high-priced, imported executives with no investment in the outcome, apart from a fat, guaranteed paycheck.
I'll argue the math, because it's GRAFT, THEFT and MISMANAGEMENT that has caused this. The only way to fix it is to expose it and to stop it in its tracks.
Anonymous said...
FUCK IT, lets all act like firemen. We all set up a cot in the station. You get a call over the radio and head out. Then head back and watch some TV plan your dinner take a nap.
11/17/2011 01:36:00 PM
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SSSSSHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIT!
Thats what half P/O's on the watches all over the city do already and have done for years......and now like the firemen many of them call for tasers because they don't have one (even though all CPD should)!
Maybe they really DON'T need us like the Quality Controllers are saying.....who knows!
Screwed and Tattooed!
Hey Mike whats the game plan. All you ever talk about at the FOP meetings is pension. Thats well and good but how about alittle insight as to whats on your agenda for the contract.
30 arrests! Wow! Way too many for the month. I try to stay in the 10-15 range. No sense chasing your tail just for a meaningless stat.
11/17/2011 10:54:00 AM
exactly...
Tact lt. in 017 wants a gold star so bad he can taste it. His head is up the commander's ass so far she better not stop abruptly. We will gladly go back to the watch Lt. Good luck getting replacements. Not too many naive newbies to pick from.
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Sounds like our big head Lt. in 014 who requested that all of us put in bids for 1st, 2nd and 3rd watch but not for 4th watch.
To the OFF topic again (Liberal Piece of shit) who responded to the 20 year misty-eyed vet. You have no idea what being the REAL POLICE is all about! You think you know. You say your the police? Your full of shit. Even if you are a certified peace officer in the state of Illinois employed by the city of Chicago, it does not mean you are the REAL POLICE. The REAL POLICE knows who works and who doesn't, and which police have earned the right to not do anything if they choose to do so. Watch the local newscast you say? The REAL POLICE watch the news for entertainment not information, because they know the media is full of shit! The media's favorite word is ALLEGED, just to stir controversy!!! $$$$$$$$$ The pretend police who watch the newscasts along with the citizenry, believe that's the way it happened because the media said so. Your full of shit, I'M shocked and appalled, but then again your probably one of our supervisors with no balls to make a decision.
Everybody bitches about us "rich" police officers when the economy is bad. When the economy is booming, we are just peasants on a city wage!
Shield's ran on 25% raise & no give backs. Well see how this turns out.
He meant for the FOP, not the rank and file.
Who were the six Captains that helped the Administration draft the new Executive Officer order without their Unions knowledge and consent?
Oh yeah, I forgot, you need your "unions" consent to do anything on this job. I guess they will ask for permission next time. Duh.
quota sgt , merit lieutenant ,
merit captain , district commander ,
dumped back to merit captain
now retired merit captain
bye bye good luck
11/17/2011 10:27:00 PM
Don't forget the weight loss commercials and being SO popular when she was still young. I guess that worked out, though. A certain old 'whistle blower' made her a boss.
And to the guy who didn't like Papas, Cato and the like: Did YOU have anything to worry about from them. And do you feel safer now? Didn't think so.
Most coppers with 20 + years will gladly pay 15% of salary to keep our current pension benefits.
common sense dictates their are little to no guns and curfews and felons in the box, hello. not our fault. you either have us driving in cirles stepping on each other driving down or eliminating the violent crime in the box or you have us outside the box and we bring in arrests, guns and other stuff, you cant have both.
http://www.chicagonewscoop.org/cross-ready-for-emanuels-help-on-pension-overhaul/?
More from the Chicago News Coop. The city is paying $500 million to all pensions, it should be paying $1.2 billion a year to catch up.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said... Tact Lt in 017 ran arrest totals. Most of us had 30 box 1/2 arrests total. When he warned us about being dumped, we said we don't want the g8 anyway. Big Deal! What an asshat. What does he expect when it is slow out here?
11/16/2011 10:18:00 AM
30 arrests! Wow! Way too many for the month. I try to stay in the 10-15 range. No sense chasing your tail just for a meaningless stat.
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Thats 30 a year guys.
11/17/2011 10:28:00 PM
Well, who cares. It's not like there is any crime in 017 anyway. They have no street gangs there shooting and murdering anyone. There are few if any burglaries in 017. It's a retirement home, right?
To the empty holster on 11/17 @05:08 pm post:
First it's Frank Pape, a long ago Captain. Read the book "the toughest cop in America".....and learn you inside working coward. I am the 20 yr vet who wrote the post. All that time working the street, over 21 yrs with over 3,000 arrests. I'm not bragging but I'm trying to establish some credibility with regards to my post. And about Burge, I got no problem with him, he got fucked by the politicians. I know this that you won't have to worry about who shows up to your shooting because your an inside working coward. The only thing you'll ever shoot is your big fucking mouth. It's obvious you are no the real police because you don't get the gist of my post. No go take your break from behind the desk you work.
Wow! all the anti-Shields talk! We and you jagball need to back up Shields! Maybe just maybe email him, or at least be united we are all in this together! You can like Shields or hate him doesn't matter this is "our union," our contract" boys and girls agreed will be rough ride and we are all on the same horse!
OK jagball you are Shield's friend then tell him to shut up about the G8. We are not a buch of kids who are going to get are asses kicked by protesters. If Shield is afgarid then he should hide in his basement. As for the G8 bring it on!
Shields meant 25 % over the next two , 5 year contracts .
The city has the trump card no matter how you look at it. It is called "Bankruptcy"- even the threat of it would change everything. With it, just about everything is voided. Look at Jefferson County and other small municipalities that have declared it.
11/17/2011 05:59:00 PM
The city would have to sell all the assets they own before it could claim bankruptcy. And all u have to say is FORENSIC AUDIT to the city and they will back down. Don t forget there is 600 million sitting in TIF funds so the city has the money.In fact i say we should demand an audit before we go into the new contract.
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