Why Would He Think That?
An admitted drug trafficker assumed the $15,000 he allegedly paid two attorneys more than a decade ago was used in part to pay bribes to Ald. Ed Burke (14th) and others to get the zoning on his Southwest Side property changed to build apartments, according to a motion by federal prosecutors.
The dealer, Saul Rodriguez, is a government witness in the trial of former Chicago Police Officer Glenn Lewellen and five other men charged with drug conspiracy.
At a friend’s suggestion, Rodriguez met with two attorneys to speed things up. One lawyer suggested they get Burke on the phone and made a call, which Rodriguez assumed was to Burke. The other attorney allegedly told Rodriguez “this will be done shortly,” according to the government motion.
Rodriguez said one of the attorneys told him the rezoning would cost about $15,000, and the money had to be paid to the lawyers before he could see Burke, according to the government motion.
Rodriguez told federal agents he made the payment to the lawyers and met briefly with Burke, who said the rezoning would be no problem, according to the government’s motion. The City Council approved the rezoning in February 2000.
So he did meet Burke, but can't say for sure any money went to Burke, even though the rezoning went through. We'd hate to assume that anyone went back on their word - after all, if you buy a politician, he really ought to stay bought.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Alderman Burke was never in charge of zoning. Alderman Banks was in charge of zoning and resigned very quickly.
Everyone and their brother knows that if you needed zoning changed you had to pay Banks.
Did Burke reachout to Banks for a favor?
Is Banks cooperating???
Hire the "RIGHT" attorney in Chicago and you can have anything fixed!
A few names come to mind on this topic.
Hey SCC, time for a post called "FULL DISCLOSURE"
Shortly there will be a test for P.O.'s to try out for S.W.A.T. Just so those guys know what they are getting themselves into, here is a little story. Recently there was a callout to the 23rd district. An outside agency is following some guys from IN. Supposedly they are enforcers for a gang, and possibly killed some people. They are followed up to the 23rd district and when the outside agency tried to take them down things get messy. There was a chase, a crash, and three guys bail out and ran into an apt. complex. Outside agency surrounds the bldg. and calls for help. S.W.A.T. shows up and there are a few knowns: off are definitely in the bldg.-but not sure what unit. Off's are definitely armed possibly w/ a rifle. So, the building is locked down and S.W.A.T. is knocking on doors. when tenants answer they are asked if PO's can take a look around to make sure everything is OK. Then Meritorious LT MM (SWAT C.O.) wants guys to boot doors where there is no answer. A SGT on the team (C.P.) goes to the LT and says...we cant do that. We cant just boot all these doors. LT says "exigent circumstances" and the sarg is concerned because he knows the LT is wrong and we are gonna get our asses in a sling. Fast forward to later on after job is over. Sarg is called into LT's office. LT RIPS sarg a new one tells him he is non-deployable (meaning you are basically done) and tells him to pick a district. Sarg -WHO WAS 100% CORRECT BTW- tells the LT ....I'm not leaving, you gotta kick me out. The whole point is the LT is wrong but he is such an arrogant prick he is going to fuck this Sarg over now any way he can. (one other thing. This sarg is not a friend of mine. he's not a bad guy and what he was telling the LT was right. and right is right.) So if you are thinking about trying out, just know this...LT MM is as cocky and arrogant as they come. If you are not a yes man you will probably wind up on his shit list in which case you are gonna be dumping a lot of money into gear for nothing. If you dont ever disagree with him you will be just fine.
What a suprise huh?
We have zones of impunity just like the lawless borders of Mexico
Let's do a followup and see how that Mcbarfree talk in the park is working...
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Did they forget to say pretty please with sugar on it?
The sad history of Chicago Alderfools shows plenty of them are more than willing to accept bribes. What else is new.
Burke is as Untouchable as a Daley, with a wife on the Illinois Supreme Ct. This is going nowhere and how dare you attack the reputation of a Chicago Alderman. My God, that is like calling a prostitute a Whore!
So he did meet Burke, but can't say for sure any money went to Burke, even though the rezoning went through. We'd hate to assume that anyone went back on their word - after all, if you buy a politician, he really ought to stay bought.
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Is this why he needs Police Valets aka: bodyguard detail ??????????????????????
And Blago was the devil, right? He was merely the spawn of the satan crook county, chicago illinois corrupt political swamp. The place is a cess pool.
Then Meritorious LT MM (SWAT C.O.) wants guys to boot doors where there is no answer. A SGT on the team (C.P.) goes to the LT and says...we cant do that. We cant just boot all these doors. LT says "exigent circumstances"
I must say, I agree with the Lt. on this one. You have armed felons, and you say, "there are a few knowns: off are definitely in the bldg.-but not sure what unit. Off's are definitely armed possibly w/ a rifle." You have to find them, you have a duty,you just can't walk away at that point. If the Sgt, had problems with this than he shouldnt be on the SWAT team. His public defender, afraid of a lawsuit, thinking could get someone hurt. Good call Lt., get rid of the Sgt.before he gets someone hurt while he is second guessing.
Anonymous said...
...LT MM is as cocky and arrogant as they come. If you are not a yes man you will probably wind up on his shit list in which case you are gonna be dumping a lot of money into gear for nothing. If you dont ever disagree with him you will be just fine.
12/18/2011 01:14:00 AM
Sounds like the credentials for leadership that has ALWAYS been the basis for promotion in the CPD.
It's an honorable thing the CPD administration does... Hire and promote the clouted and the handicapped!
But the big fish is a former cop? What? And not a sitting alderman? Got to love the Feds.....
.LT MM is as cocky and arrogant as they come. If you are not a yes man you will prdobably wind up on his shit list in which case you are gonna be dumping a lot of money into gear for nothing. If you dont ever disagree with him you will be just fine.
12/18/2011 01:14:00 AM
Swat sgt MM stabbed his swat Lt RM in the back to get his current spot. And he would do it again to go up more.
About the 023 swat incident....let me get this straight....the pussy feds stopped chasing the bad guys at the apartment complex front door?? Id say that is sad, but it is probably par for the course. Good thing none of us got hurt. Whenever dealing with the feds, never ever forget what happened to Joe Airhart....
The Chicago Expulsion Act of 2011
Windy City pols are bankrupting Illinois with bailouts for their hometown. Now downstate legislators are fighting back.
Rahm says, "Fuck you, taxpayers, just pay me!"
Anonymous said...
What a suprise huh?
We have zones of impunity just like the lawless borders of Mexico
12/18/2011 02:04:00 AM
Always has been. People are just too______(fill in the blank) to notice.
Burke will fall trust me Rhambo remembers he backed Jerry Chico and da man
LT MM...Was a Goofball when he was a Sgt..
Fast Eddie Burke is as slimy as they get. Difference between him and all the rest is that he's one of the sharpest knives in the drawer. He knows when to talk and when to wink.
He came close to being indicted in the early 90's by the feds but managed his way out of that one.
This guy represents a blue collar ward that is majority hispanic. He's always walking around in suits and accesories that would cost his constituents at least two months pay.
Can the hispanics in his ward please find one good viable candidate to finally get rid of this douche.
Someone should look into the real estate tax rate paid by Burke on his new residence. It looks like it is about half of what it should be for new construction in Cook County. How do you suppose that happended?
Why aren't the attorneys in front of a federal grand jury with grants of immunity? I don't think there is any lawyer-client privilege when there is a crime being committed by all involved.
J-Fled was an arrogant,egotistical narcissist who surrounded himself with 2 year wonders. I suppose he thought the Department needed young blood, or he thought they were less of a threat to him. That might be good for Apple, not so much for an institution like the Department. We sat on our heals and awaited his inevitable embarrassment and departure. Enter McCarthy.
Another arrogant narcissist, but a copper. Now the narcissism isn't necessarily a bad thing, think Patton and a few others. Unfortunately he was a copper with a plan, Bratton's plan. McCarthy has followed his mentors plan to a tee, because that is all he knows, and dammit, it has to be right. The statistics bear it out!
The statistics, yeah that's the ticket. Anyone can make statistics say whatever they want. We do it all the time. The simple fact is that 200,000 individuals left the City when we closed the projects. You would have to have taken ALL the police off the streets to get a rise in crime.
So McCarthy is pushing Bratton's dogma and all the bosses do is go to meetings to prepare for meetings. They then practice those meetings and then go to THE meeting. Very little police work goes on any more. I haven't seen my Commander at a roll call since I don't know when. Hell, even the Watch Commander is gone half the time. The boards they used to fill with their plans and photos haven't been updated in 6 months.
And so, again we sit back and wait for this guy to leave. Unfortunately, we now have the G8 to contend with. We have bosses too busy to work with us, a Superintendent that has an agenda that conflicts with the rank and file and a Mayor that we think hates us...or at least doesn't care about this Department at all.
It is not shaping up to be a good year. I would fix this rant up a little bit, make it more legible, but I have to take the kids Christmas shopping. As a father, I know what the really important things are. I wish our Superintendent did too.
Burke was the original target in Operation Gambat. As it turns out the AUSA in charge of the investigation leaves the US Attorneys office and ....wait for it....gets hired on as Burkes attorney. He never gets indicted. This is in the book "When corruption was king" by Robert Cooley. It really puts the Burkes in a bad light. Both of them fixing cases for the outfit.
You're going to dumb about $2,600 in a weapon and gear up front. I don't know about you but I'm literaly living paycheck to paycheck and unfortunately couldn't afford the equipment right now. In addition, a birdy told me the spots were filled already, if you know what i mean so you can score great but stand little to no chance in getting the spots. well, unless you have juice or a phone call that is.
Who knows . . . with any luck and just a little bit of true integrity on the part of the US Attorney's office, Burke might see Club Fed afterall? Perhaps Blago could dump his soon to be cellie and hook up with Ed when he arrives. I'm certain he and Burke will have a lot to talk about. We can only hope.
Hey SCC, time for a post called "FULL DISCLOSURE" Shortly there will be a test for P.O.'s to try out for S.W.A.T. Just so those guys know what they
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While I will agree the LT mm has completely wrecked the mission of the swat team since he took it over ............this Sgt and yourself are a mush. You have confirmation of armed subjects in a multi unit building. Citizens lives are at stake, and exigent circumstances do exist. The fact that they are in the building armedputs lives in jepordy. That Sgt needs to grow a set of balls and do what he should be doing. Anyone who knows him knows he only cares about his chicken ass self.
So here is rest of the scoop. Swat no longer does high risk search warrants and narcotics or any other PC's team will never use them again after they fine LT Mm and is clan of retarded Sgt's decided after going to a class out west that they would do surround and call outs at warrants. This means they just surround the building and blow on the bullhorn til bad guy comes out........Why u ask dis they decide to do this ..........less responsibility on supervisors if things go wrong. Only the biggest issue was they never mentioned to narcotics they would be changing their style. So guess what happens........drugs on two warrants vanish right in front of UCO's face.
Lets fast forward to the guy when negligently discharges his Flock while cleaning it. Not only does that guy miss a P.O by mere feet, he was assigned to the desk for over 2 yrs, lied and the department sent his gun to FBI and to Glock who both stated he pulled the trigger and the gun wasn't faulty. Thia guy now.....Wait for it, Wait for it.............
.YUP YOU GUESSED IT IS RHAMS DRIVER. While guys were launched out for more then 10 CR numbers this guy gets taken care of big time.
Now we have another Swat team member who was caught firing off his dept issued weapons out in a boat on lake Michigan and had his weapon confiscated by the survivable dept that received the shots fired call. He's still on the street right next to the guysbn
The Swat team gets no overtime, next to zero range time with a shortage of ammo in the dept, has barely enough guys on the street to get a day off, requires 1500 of your own cash to buy all your gear except the heavy vest. If you think your getting an M4 with an optic think again. New guys will have M16 A1 with nothing. Lets not mention your closest training venue is 1.5 hrs away in great lakes naval base. Training.....you get nothing except that of swat school if you pass. And auprisingly the original swat school taught by the older guys was the neat training the dept offered. It was the only legit thing.
The only reason guys are still on swat is cuz over half of them have 10-15 years with swat/hot. They have never worked a day in a beat car and will never go back. All their wack has retired or left and they are stuck. They aren't jumping ship cuz for 2 weeks a period tgey are ghosts and tge other 2 weeks tgey drive around for 5 hrs and do nothing. There is little comradely and guys bitch all day long.
Hey Fitzy do you have to be reminded Aldercrook BURKE WAS A COP! Why aren't you all over this? Oh that's right orders from above...we got it.
To the officer who thinks that he can not boot a door looking for a wanted suspect.
You young man are exactly what is wrong with this job and law enforcement in general.
You need to learn your trade and what you can and can not do under circumstances at hand.
The first thing you should learn is that you are a member of a team and you follow orders while in the field especially under the trying circumstances that you were in. This isn't the debate society junior. We don't follow democratic principles while fighting a battle in the field. Short of an order being completely unlawful which this one was not you follow the order and have your discussion or debate later after the incident is over.
The sarge has to go and you should be on the same train out. You listen to the fools on this job and you will get in trouble or killed. I'll bet you have many discussions with your peers about lawsuites and all that goes with them. I have some experience in this but I am certain that you and your discussion group have never been tested or have had their feet to the fire.
You need to learn what powers that you have and you need to use that power properly for the service of the people.
You are just playing into the politics of this organization and are no better that some of the fools that not only are in authority but also the knuckle head next to you who has not learned a thing.
...LT MM is as cocky and arrogant as they come. If you are not a yes man you will probably wind up on his shit list in which case you are gonna be dumping a lot of money into gear for nothing. If you dont ever disagree with him you will be just fine.
Im not sure about the rest of the story but this part is true. THis guy showed his true colors the day he got his bars. It is his way with no room for negotiations. The sad part is this is not the firts time he has fcked up. He doesnt know what he is doing and its only a matter of time before somebody gets hurt. The old regime put him there. He needs to head back to a district. SWat has been screwed up since a few of the good bosses left. They know who they are and we wish they were back.
2:04 am From the outside looking in: Tackleberry was a Dick on scene.
And never forget that uber criminal Ed Vrdolyak testified at as a charater witness during a pre-sentencing hearing for one of his ward soldiers (er, hitman) SALAS who was convicted of murdering a State of Florida state police investigator back in the 1990's. And his brother Vic was a moron, as well.
"forgetaboutit" This is going nowhere. This aldermen is way to connected, and way to savvy to be caught in something this simple.
This guy could teach the devil, a few tricks.
"With All Our Rage, We Are Still, Just Rats, In A Cage"
Don't you all know SWAT Lt's out rank the 4th Amendment?
Who were the lawyers?
"The whole point is the LT is wrong but he is such an arrogant prick he is going to fuck this Sarg over now any way he can.
This is played out in every unit & district in the city on a daily basis. Supervisors that lack common sense haven't a remote concept of basic law& procedure. Heaven help the poor soul who dares to question their authority.
What about that monstrosity of a house built by a gang-banger that you can't miss from the Kennedy? Remember that zoning fiasco? Remember how the residents protested it? Remember how it went through anyway?
This city is a cesspool. Unfortunatley, it is the same in every city. Politicians become politicians for personal gain, not the public good.
We should throw them all into the ocean and start over.
SCC,
POLS are like whores you gotta pay them each time.
CI's gone wild, made for TV better then The Code.
A comment about the SWAT post...
What's the problem? A SWAT commander gives the Sgt. a direct order and the Sgt questions his superior??? Damn, right Sgt should be booted..You can't have a Sgt do that in situations like this, what if people start getting killed by offenders? What then? Let the commander in charge of giving the Sgt a direct order deal with the repercussions later-he gets paid to do that. That's the problem with this department... people don't recognize rank and no discipline(for the most part).I'm telling you FRATERNIZATION, MERIT, and INSUBORDINATION kills this profession..
PS.
I'm not SWAT nor do I intend to be...Just an old grunt! Rangers Lead the way!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey SCC, time for a post called "FULL DISCLOSURE"
Shortly there will be a test for P.O.'s to try out for S.W.A.T. Just so those guys know what they are getting themselves into, here is a little story. Recently there was a callout to the 23rd district. An outside agency is following some guys from IN. Supposedly they are enforcers for a gang, and possibly killed some people. They are followed up to the 23rd district and when the outside agency tried to take them down things get messy. There was a chase, a crash, and three guys bail out and ran into an apt. complex. Outside agency surrounds the bldg. and calls for help. S.W.A.T. shows up and there are a few knowns: off are definitely in the bldg.-but not sure what unit. Off's are definitely armed possibly w/ a rifle. So, the building is locked down and S.W.A.T. is knocking on doors. when tenants answer they are asked if PO's can take a look around to make sure everything is OK. Then Meritorious LT MM (SWAT C.O.) wants guys to boot doors where there is no answer. A SGT on the team (C.P.) goes to the LT and says...we cant do that. We cant just boot all these doors. LT says "exigent circumstances" and the sarg is concerned because he knows the LT is wrong and we are gonna get our asses in a sling. Fast forward to later on after job is over. Sarg is called into LT's office. LT RIPS sarg a new one tells him he is non-deployable (meaning you are basically done) and tells him to pick a district. Sarg -WHO WAS 100% CORRECT BTW- tells the LT ....I'm not leaving, you gotta kick me out. The whole point is the LT is wrong but he is such an arrogant prick he is going to fuck this Sarg over now any way he can. (one other thing. This sarg is not a friend of mine. he's not a bad guy and what he was telling the LT was right. and right is right.) So if you are thinking about trying out, just know this...LT MM is as cocky and arrogant as they come. If you are not a yes man you will probably wind up on his shit list in which case you are gonna be dumping a lot of money into gear for nothing. If you dont ever disagree with him you will be just fine.
12/18/2011 01:14:00 AM
Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME??? This idiot LT actually believed that he can order officers to kick in the door every single apartment in that building? What a fucking idiot. Let this be a lesson to all officers. If you are given an order and it is clearly wrong; THEN STAND THE FUCK UP! Don't just do it. Or else once things go wrong, do you think the asshole who ordered you to (i.e. bust out the door) take such an action will stand by you?
Mm is a arrogant ass. But, what if The off were inside raping or killing someone. Exigency circumstances did exist.
I agree with the SWAT Lt. The Sgt. and his men should have booted those doors. It was an emergency situation and an innocent civilian could have been held hostage. I say send the Sgt.to ERPS. He apparently is only qualified for that type of spot. Can you imagine if those guys would have shot or murdered a civilian?
Where was the "Feds" to have a chance to get this scumbag Aldermann Dirty?
senor quit your beefin
ya got the change and made $$$
it's called pay to play
"...Anonymous said...
Burke is as Untouchable as a Daley, with a wife on the Illinois Supreme Ct. This is going nowhere and how dare you attack the reputation of a Chicago Alderman. My God, that is like calling a prostitute a Whore!..."
Everyone has a go-to guy.
It's like having a real estate fairy in your closet, or a Stoolie in The White House with an even bigger numbskull as Attorney General.
Well played Axelrod, so far the Democrats are f*#kin' golden. ( Except for Blago.)
So he did meet Burke, but can't say for sure any money went to Burke, even though the rezoning went through. We'd hate to assume that anyone went back on their word - after all, if you buy a politician, he really ought to stay bought.
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Is this why he needs Police Valets aka: bodyguard detail ??????????????????????
12/18/2011 03:21:00 AM
Looks that way, doesn't it? Wonder what his police "detail" observes on a daily basis.
"Alderman Burke was never in charge of zoning. Alderman Banks was in charge of zoning and resigned very quickly.
Everyone and their brother knows that if you needed zoning changed you had to pay Banks."
Wrong. City Council defers to the alderman of the ward where the property is located. If Burke wanted it, it would pass. If he didn't, it wouldn't. The only time in recent years that Council has gone against the wishes of an alderman on zoning was to approve the Children's Museum in Grant Park against Reilly's opposition.
What do you call 1000 lawyers on the bottom of Lake Michigan?
A GOOD START!
Is that the Sgt CP who was taken to two Swat schools by Sgt AK, using dept equipment before the "tryouts for sgts." Of course that had nothing to do with him getting on, right AK. This is also the sgt who shot two uniformed officers during the training scenarios. And as Ak said if you are in the heavy head and you fire your weapon from behind them you should be kicked out of the tryouts immediately. But oops, not when it's your guy, CP, just because he fired from the rear cover position, well we can just overlook that too. Wink wink. And how did Sgt CP know years before the tryouts for sgts was announced that it was going to happen? The others had what 4 for 5 months to prepare? So don't feel too sorry for this guy. And don't worry nothing will happen to him, he's heavy. It is also interesting to see that the part about not being able to go back to swat if you had ever been kicked out is back in the order. It was left out for Ray Ray, so he could "tryout." And the pull-ups part is in there now, that was also left out for Ray Ray, poor upper body strength and all. And really guys how could you stand there and actually count what Ray Ray did as pushups? Funny how it is all back to normal when Ray Ray isn't trying out. Will someone who was kicked out tryout again so when they deny you, you can sue. Swat was becoming the closest thing to a legit process until that goof AK got involved. Ak, what was that you keep saying, "getting on to swat with a phone is over, that was bullshit." I laugh everytime I hear you say it. Exactly how did you get on? When was your tryout? It's sad that you are actually starting to believe you own bullshit. But don't worry it's all legit. (Have you passed the fitness test yet?)
Hey SCC, time for a post called "Full Disclosure"
You are a moron!! Anyone trying out for SWAT don't listen to him. This is who were trying to get rid of and replace. Lt MM is a good guy. Lt. MM believes in discipline and trust me the problem with this team is entitlement. We have lots of clowns on this team and its time for them to go. We need need fresh blood and time for these ass hats to go back to a district and see what the Real Police do. Whoever wrote that needs to leave with Sgt CP. See ya!!
The sergeant should be transferred, if not the subject of an investigation for refusing a direct order. There is such a thing as the community care doctrine which might have applied in this situation. We used it many times to boot doors in the project when gunfire was rained down upon us. The offenders could have been hiding in the apartments.Exigent circumstances. The sad part is that so many bloggers actually agree with the sgt. No balls, no knowledge of their craft.
The audacity of that person to even think that “our” city elected folks is anything other then above reproach. To listen to this just makes you cringe and the icing on the cake is Ald. Burke, who has been so giving to the people and never looking for anything other then a “thank you” is sickening…..
I truly believe that when you live in shit long enough you really don’t notice the smell.
Hell even Fitzgerald is getting use to it
Hey SCC, time for a post called "FULL DISCLOSURE"
Shortly there will be a test for P.O.'s to try out for S.W.A.T. Just so those guys know what they are getting themselves into, here is a little story.
Your not serious right? You have info that three offenders are in a building and your Sgt is told to check the apartments and your worried about lawsuits. Where do we find these idiots on this job? Look newbie find a new spot.
Sarg -WHO WAS 100% CORRECT BTW- tells the LT ....I'm not leaving, you gotta kick me out. The whole point is the LT is wrong but he is such an arrogant prick he is going to fuck this Sarg over now any way he can. (one other thing. This sarg is not a friend of mine. he's not a bad guy and what he was telling the LT was right. and right is right.)
What a tool you and that sgt are!! You just hung yourself with all the info you just gave. Exigent circumstances did exist tool box. I suggest maybe you and some of your SWAT babies review your basic law classes. Contact Yolonda or Andrea at the academy she would be happy to go over the law with you.
Sgt on SWAT, learn the law. Officer sticking up for the Sgt learn the law. Obviously the meritorious Lt knows the law and the meritorious Sgt does not. Pick a district Sgt, you don't know what your doing. Obviously you have clout to make Sgt so you should be fine. Here's the definition to help you out. It is obvious that the Sgt is not a reasonable person.
DEFINITION OF EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES
Emergency conditions. 'Those circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry (or other relevant prompt action) was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers or other persons, the destruction of relevant evidence, the escape of a suspect, or some other consequence improperly frustrating legitimate law enforcement efforts.' United States v. McConney, 728 F.2d 1195, 1199 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 469 U.S. 824 (1984).
Exigent circumstances may excuse failure to make an announcement or to wait for the occupant to refuse entry. United States v. Mendonsa, 989 F. 2d 366, 370 (9th Cir. 1993). The existence of exigent circumstances is a mixed question of fact and law reviewed de novo. Id.
A search is reasonable, and a search warrant is not required, if all of the circumstances known to the officer at the time, would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry or search was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officer or other persons/the destruction or concealment of evidence/the escape of a suspect, and if there was insufficient time to get a search warrant.
The federal 'knock and announce' statute, 18 U.S.C. S 3109. Section 3109 requires 'police officers [to] knock, announce and be refused entry before they break into a residence. Exigent circumstances excuse noncompliance.' United States v. Turner, 926 F.2d 883, 886 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 502 U.S. 830 (1991). Specifically, the court found that immediate entry was necessary 'for [the officers'] protection and the protection of others inside.
Burke is slime. My uncle was in law school with him about 40 years ago and swears Burke was a serious cheat. My uncle is also a bit slimy, most lawyers are, but has never lied to me. I believe Burke is a serious piece of shit as is his wife. These alegations re most likely true.
Well I don't know about this situation; however, I've been on the scene of two police shootings in the projects (police were victims) and as we went from door to door any door that did not open was knocked down. And I still sleep soundly at night having took one down myself those nights.
Apparently, many CPD members need a refresher course on what Exigent Circumstance means. You can boot any door you want. BUT you will be outside of the law, unless you know WHICH door the armed bad guy went it. Does that suck? Yes, but we are not Marine Recon in Baghdad. If that is what you want to do, you are in the wrong profession. Our job is hard enough without our "leaders" complete lack of understand of the law. Stay safe and out of jail....
"An emergency situation requiring swift action to prevent imminent danger to life or serious damage to property, or to forestall the imminent escape of a suspect, or destruction of evidence. There is no ready litmus test for determining whether such circumstances exist, and in each case the extraordinary situation must be measured by the facts known by officials.[1]
Those circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry (or other relevant prompt action) was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers or other persons, the destruction of relevant evidence, the escape of a suspect, or some other consequence improperly frustrating legitimate law enforcement efforts.[2]"
taken right out of the criminal procedure handbook. In this case the LT is correct, regardless of how you feel about him.
You can only refuse an unlawful order, not one you dont agree with.
Dissension amongst ranks gets people hurt. That Sgt was doing more harm than good. Dont know if one incident constitutes a dump, but this could have been a deadly mistake.
Re: SWAT Incident in 023... Lt. is 100% right. What was know...two guys in the building that were 10-99 for Murder out of S.O. St. Joseph's Co., IN. Had assault rifle, two handguns and Kevlar Vest. Exigent circumstances had been established. The occupants safety and welfare were of grave concern. Once offenders knew that LEO were outside there was a concern that offenders would take over an apartment, creating hostage situation and possible kill occupants.
So here is rest of the scoop. Swat no longer does high risk search warrants and narcotics or any other PC's team will never use them again after they fine LT Mm and is clan of retarded Sgt's decided after going to a class out west that they would do surround and call outs at warrants. This means they just surround the building and blow on the bullhorn til bad guy comes out........Why u ask dis they decide to do this ..........less responsibility on supervisors if things go wrong. Only the biggest issue was they never mentioned to narcotics they would be changing their style. So guess what happens........drugs on two warrants vanish right in front of UCO's face.
So, which is it with this Lt MM? Go in or not? Got get a clue. Sounds like we need a new swat Lt.
Officer Safety Alert...@14:12 hrs today there were only 2 beat cars covering the entire 023rd Dist. There was also a Sgt and 2312, which was one of the two, was doubling as the wagon and working 10-99. This in a district with a population of approx 100k. And to think this is future of the department....doing more with less. Be safe out there.
Anonymous said...
About the 023 swat incident....let me get this straight....the pussy feds stopped chasing the bad guys at the apartment complex front door?? Id say that is sad, but it is probably par for the course. Good thing none of us got hurt. Whenever dealing with the feds, never ever forget what happened to Joe Airhart....
12/18/2011 06:48:00 AM
I was involved that night and the above is not what happened. The crash and 5 second foot chase was not with the 3 bad guys. It was another guy staying with them. They were still inside in an unknown appartment.
Anonymous said...
The sergeant should be transferred, if not the subject of an investigation for refusing a direct order. There is such a thing as the community care doctrine which might have applied in this situation. We used it many times to boot doors in the project when gunfire was rained down upon us. The offenders could have been hiding in the apartments.Exigent circumstances. The sad part is that so many bloggers actually agree with the sgt. No balls, no knowledge of their craft.
12/18/2011 07:32:00 PM
I was there that night and the Sgt. was correct. Exitgent circumstances did not apply. Information was received that they were in an unknown appartment and with possible weapons. It was't 100% confirmed until communication was reached with them at which time the negotiators talked them out. No one even knew 100% if they had the weapons at the time. No one ever saw them until their surrender. You can't go kicking in 20 appartment doors just because a CI told you something. Working out a surrender is better than a dead copper any day, especially on the word of a CI. It would be different if coppers chaseed these guys into the building, but that never occurred. This was all based on the word of a CI.
Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME??? This idiot LT actually believed that he can order officers to kick in the door every single apartment in that building? What a fucking idiot. Let this be a lesson to all officers. If you are given an order and it is clearly wrong; THEN STAND THE FUCK UP! Don't just do it. Or else once things go wrong, do you think the asshole who ordered you to (i.e. bust out the door) take such an action will stand by you?
12/18/2011 01:56:00 PM
So this is the path that CPD has taken...? What a shame, wasn't that long ago, same situation..and many doors would have become unhinged in search of even one innocent victim or hostage at risk. Where have all the real police gone ? Three armed felons,murder suspects..and we sit here and criticize a decision (after the fact) although it would stand alone on the good faith and exigent circumstances rule. That sgt has no business being anywhere near any incident short of a dog bite. The safety of citizens comes before your selfish concerns or fear regarding liability. The Lt. carries that weight in this situation as described.
An old school retired boss once said, " a Chicago Police Officer has a duty to go into a deadly situation but there really is no requirement to come out".
You signed up for a job as the fuckin Police, act like it or go back to your tv and video games
Is that the Sgt CP who was taken to two Swat schools by Sgt AK, using dept equipment before the "tryouts for sgts."
Look Sgt JM you didn't make it cause you sucked. Stop crying like a baby and blaming everyone else. What you wrote are lies and I hate to tell you both of the Sgts you are calling out can out think you, are tactically more competent and in better shape then your speedo wearing ass. You forget you had 6 Instructors watching you. Sgt CP never did what you wrote and the school he went to was on his own in another state. As usual your a crybaby and you think you were entitled to something that you could not achieve based on your rank. I hate to tell you this. It was us the Instructors that observed you. Sgt AK had nothing to do with the grading. BTW offering to buy the SWAT Instructors steak dinners is so weak.
Sounds like no one in SWAT is worth a shit. A bunch of rat bastards who run to tell on their co workers. At least two have posted here.
Can't say I'm surprised.
As a citizen I'm going to chime in to give another perspective. This guy ran into a building with a rifle. He didn't have a WMD or a hostage at the time. Kicking in doors indiscriminately could get someone shot. Someone kicks in my door and enters without making damn sure that they announce they're the Police and gives me reasonable time to verify, is liable to be shot. Sorry but that's the way it is. And I'd be in the right despite it being a tragedy. It's very reasonable in Chicago nowadays that someone who kicks in your door may very well be a home invader. (assuming that I am not engaged in illegal behavior that would justify a no knock entry,) This is still America, don't let your balls get ahead of your brains.
Apparently, many CPD members need a refresher course on what Exigent Circumstance means. You can boot any door you want. BUT you will be outside of the law, unless you know WHICH door the armed bad guy went it. Does that suck? Yes, but we are not Marine Recon in Baghdad. If that is what you want to do, you are in the wrong profession. Our job is hard enough without our "leaders" complete lack of understand of the law. Stay safe and out of jail....
12/18/2011 08:46:00 PM
Are you fucking retarded. They KNOW he is in the building. He could be holding a person captive in a apartment, begin that he is fugitive and attempting to escape from law enforcement.
ed burke the feds are after you
To my fellow swat members,
I would like to remind you to stay off the blog when dealing with in house issues! We don't need to be airing out our dirty laundry for the world to see. This is a in house issue and should be handled as such. I'll say it again, if you think you are gonna get sympathy from the p/o's who read this blog you are sadly mistaken. Signed GI
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Lt MM Swat was a dumb ass merit Sgt too. Another 19th ward guy
Anyone trying out for SWAT, sorry the fix is already in. Thats how the Lt, and his crybaby ass Sgts and ALL the P/Os got there. Don't let them Bullshit you.
As a citizen I'm going to chime in to give another perspective.
Stay off of the blog and stop commenting on something you really don't have a fat rats ass knowledge of. QWhen we come through the door we are ready for someone to be armed. If you shoot, you will be shot. These types of entries would not be no knock, but after an anouncement. Your wise ass comments are based on your ignorance.
As a citizen I'm going to chime in to give another perspective.
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That is why the Lt said you will knock and announce your office and check on the citizens. Mark the door of anyone that doesn't answer and then will break the door but not go in yet. No one was just going to knock the doors in of 20 apts. Also if your a citizen, and a person is knocking your door down, you can't just shoot. You have to discriminate and see who your shooting at. SWAT teams are marked with Police on their vests. So take it easy cowboy and learn how to use the weapon you keep in your house properly.
So here is rest of the scoop. Swat no longer does high risk search warrants and narcotics or any other PC's team will never use them again after they fine LT Mm and is clan of retarded Sgt's decided after going to a class out west that they would do surround and call outs at warrants
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If there is an assault rifle and intel we do a surround and call out. We call them out. If they don't come out we use gas. It's safer for everyone. Anyone here want to die for an assault rifle or dope? Last time I checked you can't flush an assault rifle. We still do plenty of warrant for narcotics. Don't listen to this moron. Funny how you don't want to knock down doors when you have Exigent circumstances and their could be a person injured after we recovered an assault rifle but you want to rush in for on a warrant for assault rifles. The way out morons think is one of the reasons we ended up 29 out of 30 in a SWAT competition. Thank God we are getting new blood on this team. We need it.
If a "tight knit" team like SWAT can't pull it together to be a respectable unit then who can. The SWAT Team, like the districts, like the department, like the city, is made up of liars, cheats, assholes and one individuals out for their own good. There has yet to be a test good enough to weed that crap out. This upcoming SWAT Test will merely add new idiots to the cadre of established yes men under the misguided leadership of one tool and his band of fishing buddies.
Sgt. CP was merit clout pick. He made Sgt by merit. Was a goof in 018 and still is
I was at the situation in 023 and as I understood it both the SWAT Lt and the dicks wanted all the doors kicked in. But hold on warriors. This was AFTER ALL 3 OFFENDERS WERE IN CUSTODY. Once you have everyone in custody exigent circumstances no longer exist. SWAT was trying to confirm what apartments the bad guys had moved through. The dicks were looking for evidence. Under those circumstances it is better to get a search warrant or consent as you really don't want to jeopardize a murder trial and conviction by being a tough guy. The dick Lt on the scene was also shunning the idea of a search warrant feeling they didn't need one, however, and let me reiterate, no hostile threat existed any longer.
Anonymous said...
The sergeant should be transferred, if not the subject of an investigation for refusing a direct order. There is such a thing as the community care doctrine which might have applied in this situation. We used it many times to boot doors in the project when gunfire was rained down upon us. The offenders could have been hiding in the apartments.Exigent circumstances. The sad part is that so many bloggers actually agree with the sgt. No balls, no knowledge of their craft.
12/18/2011 07:32:00 PM
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I am sure Lt. MM (arrogance or not) would have been open to other Supervisors' suggestions at that time re: floor to floor sweeps, finding a building manager with list of tenants (maybe with names and numbers of those problematic Apts.), other backgorund info. from OEMC of prior calls to location(specific addresses and callers), maybe some field interviews from tenants on suspicious Apt.s on particular floors ....BEFORE putting the boots to each and every door!
Maybe CP just PANICKED? Maybe he could have help organize one or two of these suggestions listed above?
Regardless I feel in a situation like that or worse the Commanding Officer is liable for the actions of his/her men he or she is directing and their decision is the order!
Therefore unless I have a suggestion that may help and not undermine I would do as I am told!
P/o's worried about lawsuits and second guessing the Command should NOT be part of SWAT or any serious unit that does high risk shit.
I have almost 19 yrs . on want nothing to do with SWAT for reasons like this BUT if I did want to do it I feel the trust in Command is essential and you can answer for things later.
So if the LT. was highest ranking officer there than its all on him and remember YOU signed up for this or had your call made to go there!!!
This is why I work in a Northside District on 1st watch to AVOID shit like this as much as possible but if it happens in our district on our watch, at my job then I 'll BE THE POLICE and take orders as told and remember who gave it!
Flipside: Unless there are gunshots.....What is exigent circumstances anyways?
So, if LT. MM was making his career ending decision ......LET HIM!
Then get ready to do the same for the next guy because it will happen again I assure you !
SWAT should have their protocol and they better stick to it cause us Beat car dudes on the Mids will be following their lead!
You can always write your To/From later!
Getting dumped? Part of the job my friend! I think I lead the league in that Dept. SHIT HAPPENS!
The Green Manalishi
Will somebody in SWAT please have AK adjust his meds? He is a danger to himself and the unit. I don't want to see little Sgt WW beat him down again. Can this guy have more social confrontations with anyone else? Just a fly on the wall.
Everyone and their brother knows you're stupid if you don't know Burke is in charge of EVERYTHING.
Put the order to kick in all the doors over the SWAT radio so every officer hears it. Then there are 15 witnesses of the direct order. After everything is said and done is the good Lt going to pay the punative damages that are levied against the officers who kicked the doors in, Answer no. The only time the CPD ever took down every door in a building was at Cabrini and we were indemnified by the CHA who were the owners of the building. When an unlawful order is given by a superior officer you will be held responsible by the courts for your actions.
Sgt cp a merit clout Sgt made by retired dep keating before he left. We use to all laugh at him in 18 when him and his goof wanna be tuff Guy coworkers would walk around in uniform and black non police baseball caps backwards. Idiots couldn't do any paperwork either. Miss those laughs. Enjoy swat, u can have it.
How do these asshole politicians sleep at night? I can't sleep and I'm not even guilty of anything--
If there is an assault rifle and intel we do a surround and call out. We call them out. If they don't come out we use gas. It's safer for everyone. Anyone here want to die for an assault rifle or dope? Last time I checked you can't flush an assault rifle. We still do plenty of warrant for narcotics. Don't listen to this moron. Funny how you don't want to knock down doors when you have Exigent circumstances and their could be a person injured after we recovered an assault rifle but you want to rush in for on a warrant for assault rifles. The way out morons think is one of the reasons we ended up 29 out of 30 in a SWAT competition. Thank God we are getting new blood on this team. We need it.
12/19/2011 09:51:00 AM
Yes, but didn't you guys do well in the swimsuit and evening gown portions of the competition?
Sounds like no one in SWAT is worth a shit. A bunch of rat bastards who run to tell on their co workers. At least two have posted here.
Can't say I'm surprised.
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I am on SWAT and you my friend are right. We are our own worst enemy. This team sucks balls. They are lazy, stupid, backstabbers, out of shape, loyal to no one except themselves. Our skill level, compared to other teams just sucks. The Sgts suck, just like most of the officers and have no idea what their doing. We got officers accidentally discharging their weapons, and the best officers have left the team or are getting ready to leave. It has nothing to do with the Lt, its a bunch of crybabies who whine about everything. Shooting hostages or shooting ourselves in the foot. That should tell you something. Just like this dept SWAT is a joke.
Actually the part about CP and the scenarios is all correct. The rest who knows. The time when he shot from rear cover happened during the scenario by the airport. The team deploys from the bear cat, the heavy head is immediately engaged by gunfire from a subject who exited the front door. The heavy head engages, CP dips around to the back of the bear cat, opposite the team, and engages also. And the part about shooting uniformed officers is correct also, saw one myself. Don't get me wrong, CP is a good guy, better shape than 99% of the department but made some mistakes like everyone else who was there did. Now from the instructor who said it didn't happen, well maybe you should talk to your other instructors first since you missed it or weren't there, or get glasses. Or even better, ask CP, knowing him he will admit to it. Or if you are the instructor who was texting Ray Ray throughout the training then no more needs to be said. As far as the process being legit, I can't say. But what SWAT allowed Ray Ray to do when he tried out was on its face corrupt. Allowing him to change the order regarding who was eligible to tryout and then not challenging it was the start. Allowing him to proceed when he was caught switching holsters was wrong. Letting him spend half the classroom time sending messages on his Black Berry demonstrated a lack of interest, or did he know something already. But since he was texting one of the instructors I guess was ok, right LM. So to the instructor who was so self righteous and talking shit about Sgt JM, go fuck yourself. You were probably one of the suckasses that was part of Ray Ray's high risk entry team that was created when he got dumped from HBT. You are also probably one of those guys who never had to tryout for HBT. So keep your bullshit about how it was all legit to yourself, you saw what you wanted to see and you took who you wanted to take.
And no this is not JM.
This AK guy sounds like a total goof. What are his crendentials to be there?
I didn't mean to come across as a "cowboy". I meant to show how this type of practice could have a really bad ending. Maybe it's a "loud" building, and I tune out most noise, maybe I'm in the back and don't hear the knocking, maybe the warning isn't clear, I hear pounding and am scared and confused (running various scenarios in my head) I grab my pistol and my phone, start to call 911, and the door gets kicked open, I'm standing there armed. I see the police vests, they see me, everybody's adrenaline dumps, fine motor control is lost tunnel vision sets in, maybe someone yells "GUN". somebody twitches or moves. Hmmm. I would hope that the CPD leader in charge would weigh such a possible scenario in mind versus just how exigent are the circumstances involved.
And what if the nag guy is holding your wife and daughter at gunpoint..........and what off the police just leave because no one answers the door..........and what if now the police are gone and you wife n daughter are now held against their will and tied up.........and what if......and what if.
Your an idiot. Its not all about you......it about protecting the majority and weighing things out. Its time to go back to your x box and play war instead of actually defending someone's life, freedom and liberty for a living. You haven't a clue about what goes on in the real world.
This AK guy sounds like a total goof. What are his crendentials to be there?
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C Team says:
Why don't you go up and ask him coward? You know your on the team, you won't cause your a scared starbucks, green wearing little SWAT guy. Remember 78th and Bishop, Sgt AK got shot and killed the guy. He's the best Sgt on SWAT that knows what he's doing and has made us a better team. He has paid for equipment for our team and has brought us some of the best training that we have ever had. The ones that don't like him are the lazy, do nothing idiots that we are trying to get rid of. Another coward HBT Sgt was so scared of him he filed a CR number on him, when Sgt AK told him to meet him in the parking lot. That former HBT Sgt was more concerned with coaching little league games, getting his Masters, asking a politician to make him Meritorious Lt, then ever coming to training. Trust me he never shot himself in the foot and doesn't shoot hostages in training. You don't like the way he tells us that we need to train more, well he sure was right and so was the Lt when he told us we suck. 39 out of 40 in California at the SWAT competition. We got beat by SWAT teams the size of Worth, IL. Sgt AK is good to go, and always takes care of us and, I should know cause I am on his team. So go fu## yourself and leave the team. We are sick of being embarrassed by idiots like you. And lose some weight and carry the ballistic blankets when he asks for them. But your too much of a coward to say it to his face that your not bringing them up and endangering our team. You know R.O. you are a piece of shit for what you did that day to the team. Sgt AK should have pushed the issue to throw you off the team instead he let it slide.
Shut your ass up about AK!!
Hey HBT man, you have all the heavy artillery. I know nothing of SWAT or terror tactics but if I DID work there along with thirty or forty of my close friends and the mental stability of my leader rested on whether or not he took his meds AND we were all armed to the teeth with a bunch of machine guns and shit, I know we could convince him he would be a happier man if he did what we suggested.
Shut the fuck up about SWAT on this blog. New guys coming on don't listen to this shit.
All the best guys have left the SWAT team including AK. He is on the medical but bid to a district. Stay off the blog and shut the fuck up.
SWAT like any other Unit has its issues and morale problems.
However like the rest of the CPD this unit is a necessary evil and WE as "High Schoolers with Badges" do nothing but discredit ourselves by posting STUPID shit based on:
-What we heard
-What we think we know
-Jealousy
-Anger
-Vindictiveness
-Stupidity
-Rumor
-Rant
Etc. etc.
Basically this blog (no offense SCC) has been nothing but a buzzkill at times for doing this job.
Meaning GOD FORBID anyone makes a mistake or bad decision as the masses will critique it or lay into to you or your partner.
This "Bathroom Wall" airs our feelings and dirty laundry so much that it can hamper our response to doing our jobs for fear of being lambasted on this thing!
However on the flipside it does update and inform us (at times make us paranoid or worry though)and that for retirees and those out of town and on furlo or days off can keep people close to CPD and informed!
You decide what is the "real" truth and what is bullshit but in essence some never seem to realize that this is just a JOB like anything else and we need each other to execute our work and survive!
Please try and deal with each other as goofy as we are, we are all we got if it all goes south.
Whether we are hairgels, fat wagon guys or disgruntled detectives or over promoted bosses....We are who we are so SHUT THE FUCK UP sometimes about the petty in house bullshit like the SWAT guy crap!
Dude who cares!
Merry Fucking Xmas too...
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