As Close as it Gets
Someone ran the numbers by title code. This is what we have at the moment:
- 9161 Police Officer...............9,422
9206 E.T.’s...............93
9174 Police Agent...............21
9170 PO-Armorer...............00
9169 PO-Mounted...............25
9168 PO-Marine...............38
9164 PO-FTO...............67
9163 PO-Fingerprint...............13
9155 PO-Arbitration...............12
9153 PO- Expl K9...............27
9152 PO-K9...............24
9151 PO-Traf Spec...............24
9126 Police Tech...............8
9165 PO-Detective...............971
9213 PO-Firearm ID Tech I...............2
9201 PO-Forensic Inv I...............19
9166 PO-Superv Latent...............1
9160 PO-Security Spec...............12
9158 Explosive Tech I...............18
9156 PO-Supv Sub Abuse Cns...............1
9015 PO-Legal Officer I...............14
9171 Sergeant...............1,117
9202 PO-Forensic Inv II...............0
9173 Lieutenant...............206
9159 Expl Tech II...............0
9016 PO-Legal Officer II...............5
9175 Captain/XO...............43
9157 Expl Tech III...............0
9017 PO-Legal Officer III...............0
9752 Commander...............46
9796 ADS/Deputy Chief...............7
9785 Chief...............9
9781 1st Deputy...............1
That's supposed to add up to 12,236 total sworn as of a few weeks ago. We don't know how many are light/limited duty, medical, IOD, etc. We assume LOA isn't counted, but can't be sure. It's a snapshot. The trouble is we have nothing to compare it to from 5, 10 or even 20 years ago.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
163 Comments:
WTF is a "police agent"
46 commanders????? We have more commanders than captain???
What's a police agent?????
You need to remember that the dept intranet is not updated - on purpose.
These numbers are no where near accurate.
I know of 2 retirees and 1 leave of absence from 2010 who are still in the system.
9422 my ass!
Prior to combining GSP, YO, and Det. they had 76 GSP, 130 YO and 1050 Dets. I also recall having around 1300 Sgts at that time.
The best is they have more chiefs than deputy chiefs now.
In 67/68 we had 14,000 sworn officers of which 1400 were detectives.
That's pretty much in line with what the lodge has been giving out. Now maybe the loudmouths who constantly trash the lodge will have something to shut the fuck about.
Kudos to FOP for the lead story on Channel 5 News at 10 PM tonite. Shields put it right on the department on how piss poor our 'training' is in preparation for the G8 & NATO fiascos.
The department responded by having none other than Deb Kirby interviewed, who acknowledged that the city had no real plans on asking outside agencies for help when the shit hits the fan come May.
She also tipped her hand on how ill-prepared we are by telling Carol Marin and the rest of the world that most of us have had only a whole 8 hours of training/preparation for this travesty-in-the-making.
Keep exposing the incompetence guys!!! Good work!!!
So, it just goes to show all you whiners that we aren't as far off of 13,000 as you would like to believe.
Now STFU and go back to being the police and doing your jobs!
So are we budgeted for 13,500 police officers (code 9161) or does that number include everybody on the police force including supervisors, et's, detectives, etc?
Horseshit! 017 is down from 325 9 years ago to just about 200 now. The northside districts all show the same reduction in staffing.
Does anyone else hear taps playing?
Actually, the armorers position was absorbed by the FTU. The department has roughly 6 armorers but unded code 9161.
Police Agent is a PO in IAD who took an in unit test to get a promotion to D2 Pay. They no longer do this and the title will disappear through attrition.
Watch yourselves in May boys. The City will deny this but my wife works in one of the major companies downtown on Michigan Ave. They are telling her and her co-workers to be prepared to spend the entire week in May stuck inside their building as they expect major property damage and physical violence directed at them. The company ( a Fortune 500 company)is stocking up on food,water, survival supplies etc. to ensure the survival of it's employees. The company managment can't believe how City Hall is putting a positive spin on this. They are very,very worried!
Scc those are chrystl numbers. The accurate #s are in CLEAR those numbers are a little lower 9161- 9378, 9165-965, 9171-1091, 9173-202.
Thats what I have been saying...these numbers are right. When they say 13,500, it includes Cmdrs, Chiefs, etc. Police Agent is IAD PO.
Old Retired Guy
SCC- years ago, the dept used to do a monthly strength report showing everyone from civilians to the top. Also...i think that same info was/is the cpd annual report. just a hint for you.
Anonymous said...
WTF is a "police agent"
1/18/2012 12:09:00 AM
IAD
This list is total bullshit as before this list is NOT updated on any regular basis. Go to the clerks office and see how many Police Officers are budgeted for this is all free and public information and updated on a regular basis for fiscal spending and the bond companies.
Does anyone else hear taps playing?
1/18/2012 03:15:00 AM
I did a while ago...
We have a police agent on our watch . She does the job of a regular P.O. but makes detective pay. She used to be IAD. That is where she got the title and they can't take it away. They stopped giving the title. But it must be nice making an extra 5k a year doing the same job as everyone else. Only in Chicago.
NOPE
As of MONDAY 16 JAN SERGEANTS were listed at 1107
I believe this list is from BEFORE the 13 JAN Retires.
Also 2 of those 43 Captains are now acting Commanders which will be made full Commanders soon.
WTF is a "police agent"
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They are police officers who work in IAD who get D-2 pay.
I know of 2 retirees and 1 leave of absence from 2010 who are still in the system.
1/18/2012 12:20:00 AM
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Name the names... are you sure they are not on disablity?
FOP Pres. Shields and Lt. Deb Kirby on NBC News.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/chicago-police-nato-g8-summits-training-137540483.html
Where is the designation for those that are detailed to the G...the FBI Task Force, etc. With the dire need for putting officers back on the street why does this unit even exist anymore?
Wasn't it filled with friends of one of our ex superintendents kid a few years back? This is definitely a detail that should be ended if it hasn't already. Time to put the blues back on kiddies, fun time is over.
The best is they have more chiefs than deputy chiefs now.
1/18/2012 12:56:00 AM
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Remember.. ALL Deputy Superindents were knocked down to "Chief"
My job on CPD is to review any Hollywood contracts and/or TV contracts for upcoming reality shows based in Chicago.
Right now, I am reviewing several TV pilots and we are close to signing off, but are awaiting final naming of the show(s):
"Detective CLOUT" or "HOUSE MICE VICE": Like the show COPS and Miami Vice together, but instead of driving to real incidences and solving cases, police cars running errands to schools, cleaners and to Wisconsin cottages.
"Bar Rescue with Aunt Bea".
"Gittin' Down with Downtown Ernie Brown" or "Ho' Town & Da Clown" or "Badge Flasher, Party Masher" - trying to finalize and get this one on BET television.
"J-Fled: Lost in Place" or "Bang! Bang! Gotta Run". "Running Scared: The Reality Show" was ruled out as a title. Too many "reality show" titles.
"311 Center: The Walking Dead" or Slackerville.
"Frustration Station" or "The Worst District to Work At". Having a real hard time narrowing down which district to film this in. (I'm earning my D2 money on this one alone)
Any suggestions would help. We need a real whacky and/or totally inept commander-in-charge. Very hard to narrow it down.
POLICE GOING POSTAL- trying to get John Ratzenberger (Cliff Clavin of CHEERS) to portray the Superintendent of a big city police department filmed here in Chicago.
Anyone can ask for a transfer to these TV shows once they get going. Just fill out the appropriate paperwork (Form C11-31-TV)and make your phone call.
Ooops - almost forgot, only the clouted will get the phone number.
I call bullshit
Did anyone notice how ragged Debbie Kirby is looking these days? Too much stress? Time to take a vacation Debbie.
And what code is an inspector?
She also tipped her hand on how ill-prepared we are by telling Carol Marin and the rest of the world that most of us have had only a whole 8 hours of training/preparation for this travesty-in-the-making.
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I have to say that I have to protect my family FIRST. If I am sued or killed or injured because of POOR training they will suffer greatly. That is why I AND many other officers will NOT be subjected to these G-8 summits. YES, I will be at my doctors office having surgery.
Police AGENT + is IAD (soon to be called IAB) D-2 rank. It's an investigator but not quite a
Sorry but according to the city & the police dept we only have 8937 or so sworn 9161's. Furthermore a couple of those listed title codes have been absorbed into other title codes. So to those kiss asses saying that we are almost at full strength so stfu, why don't you sit quietly at your nice safe inside spots & you STFU!!!
So the all the blow hards in the districts and units can shut up and stop blaming low manpower for their low productivity. A dog is a dog is a dog.
Even when shown the numbers in black and white letters and numerals many of you idiots will not believe it. There is nothing worse than ignoring facts because it makes you really look stupid.
Incidentally the budget strength indludes all sworn ranks, P.O. to Supt.
cpd needs less sgts
3 districts closed , 2 detective areas closed , no more desk sgt.
So, it just goes to show all you whiners that we aren't as far off of 13,000 as you would like to believe.
Now STFU and go back to being the police and doing your jobs!
1/18/2012 01:35:00 AM
Right, and Enron and the other big companies to big to fail with big accounting firms behind them didn t fib on the numbers.Like others have said,back in the 90 s most districts had over 300 po s with many units up.Today most have around 200 with few units to go to.200 x 25 dist gives you 5000.Just say 6k.If u believe the other 6k are dicks and supervisors and what lil units we have then u have to lay off the koolaid.Don t believe what u read .Ask people actually in the dist.They ll give u the real #s
Anonymous Anonymous said...
WTF is a "police agent"
1/18/2012 12:09:00 AM
IAD!
023 has about 175 PO's, with about 10-15 of those front office people.
Police Agent= Internal Affairs Officer.
Motto: The few, the proud, the most hated.
General, Special, Confidential Investigations and Advocate Units. Lots of nice play toys they have.
BAC0.
There are retired, deceased, and loa officers on those rolls.
You can bet some of those numbers is one body counted 2x.
WTF is a "police agent"
1/18/2012 12:09:00 AM
"police agent"; known in most circles as IAD at.
Hey what the heck is a Police Agent?
Anonymous said...
WTF is a "police agent"
1/18/2012 12:09:00 AM
D-2 IAD investigator. They haven't been made in years. I think some may have worked at the inspector generals office at one time.
A "police agent" is an IAD officer. and any police agent is going to be able to figure out who looked up all of those codes. in about 5 minutes. Hopefully someone was smart enough not to look up all of those numbers under their own PC, and then forward that to SCC.
Anonymous said... So are we budgeted for 13,500 police officers (code 9161) or does that number include everybody on the police force including supervisors, et's, detectives, etc?
1/18/2012 02:19:00 AM
You idiots need to stop with the 13500. We are not budgeted for that. When rahm got rid of all the vacancies from the budget it made the dept at full strength on paper because all vacancies are filled. It hasn't been 13500 since rahm got into office. This is why we will never win coppers are dumb and only are concerned with the past
These numbers can't be an accurate count of actual bodies. These numbers reflect the number of positions budgeted.
The number of actual detectives is well under 700 with at least 50 more retiring on the next 11 months.
The first number of 9,422 is closer the real number of actual sworn members on the CPD at this time.
Who ran these numbers McEgo???
A few months back the FOP published the number of pay checks printed on a given pay day and it was no where near these numbers. I don't recall the real number but it was less that 10,000 checks issued.
Police Agents are not Police officers. Not even by state standards.
46 Commanders??? What in the hell do we need 46 Commanders for. Why do we have Commanders for units that have less that 50 personnel in them? Hell we have Commanders in units with less that 10 personnel. Lets get rid of all these commanders. More that half of them could be eliminated and the Unit could be handled by a Lt, as CO.
We all know the real truth, you have to have so many CLOUT spots for the Revs and Alderthiefs friends.
How about assigning half of the new inspectors to the Medical Unit. Let them follow the abusers around and either get them back on the street or in the unemployment line.
WTF is a "police agent"
1/18/2012 12:09:00 AM
What's a police agent?????
1/18/2012 12:14:00 AM
Congratulations officers, if you don't know what a "police agent" is you have obviously managed to keep your noses clean despite the different temptations you might encounter. Keep up the good work. And rest assured that there are people who have been merit promoted ahead of you who definately know what a police agent is and who should be sitting in a penitentiary right now instead of an exempts office at 35th St.
Police agent = p.o. in internal affairs
Used to be a testing process for it, but don't know if there still is.
hmmm, 12236. Are the loud mouths done crying yet?? I know we are still short but all the conspiracy theories saying we only have 8 thousand coppers and then 3 thousand on the medical and a total of 5 thousand blah blah blah blah. ok, so we are over 12,000. we never had 13000 blue shirts.. we always had about 13000 total officers. so we are down anywhere from 800-1300 total. not the doomsday scenario some on here have been screaming for years.
Horseshit! 017 is down from 325 9 years ago to just about 200 now. The northside districts all show the same reduction in staffing.
thats because nothing happens in 017 and its filled with a bunch of wanna be juvi gangsters. if you look at 007 there are over 400 po's. same as 011, 003, 006, 004 and 015 and 008. you see it all evens out. it just sucks that the ghetto gets all the coppers and the good districts suffer. blame all the young superstars who left your district and went to msf or tru. instead of going back to 017 they got dumped to 011 or 007. so dont expect any help soon because those young bucks arent gonna be able to bid out of those sh*tholes for a loooooooong time.
These numbers are still horseshit... Just because they're posted on CPD & city computers don't mean shit. Just because people run around with "official" print-outs of these numbers, they still don't mean shit.
The REAL numbers please?
The numbers that the mayor & police ceo whisper to each other while glancing around furtively.
The usual noisy idiots can piss up a rope with these "see, told ya so" numbers when every district is down 200+ in manpower.
The Policeman looks around and clearly sees HE HAS NO FUCKING HELP & BACK-UP LIKE HE USED TO!
STFU with that "now go be The Police." Not until the union, the bosses, the media, the rev'runs & the alderfools, ccsao and doj sit down and hammer out the "new" rules of engagement.
(Snarky sarcasm... Lots of it.)
They still want the luxury of picking and choosing for each of their own varied agendas as to when it's expedient to fling a Copper into the volcano to appease whatever imp, diety or spirit of ill-humor they bow their heads to.
A lot of dentures being angrily rotated because The Policeman is an instinctual & intuitive being endowed by his Creator with plenty much common sense to boot.
Any Policeman worth the sweat, blood, grief & aggravation that goes into wearing this star realizes that they're alone and very much in danger in this city.
There will be those who use "now go out there and be the police" as a crutch and a phony exhortation because they fear The Policeman seeing to his own preservation with maximum prejudice.
The Policemen WILL do their jobs which is to protect themselves and each other at work.
The powers that be are frightened out of their minds because their plan to reduce headcount committed suicide by flunging itself headlong into the gaping jaws of all the bad ju-ju surrounding potential fall-out from G8/NATO.
Qustion of the day what is a "police agent"???
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FYI: The Marine unit holds the Helicopter unit underneath it. So the Marine unit looks bigger then it actually is.
These numbers have to be way off. Backlogs in every southside district on every watch. Ghost cars and one man cars where it used to be all cars were up and 2 man.
Anonymous said...
So, it just goes to show all you whiners that we aren't as far off of 13,000 as you would like to believe.
Now STFU and go back to being the police and doing your jobs!
1/18/2012 01:35:00 AM
Ha Ha; just goes to show you - the bosses do read the blog everyday. This jerkoff is obviously a company man that wrote this comment.
You need to remember that the dept intranet is not updated - on purpose.
These numbers are no where near accurate.
I know of 2 retirees and 1 leave of absence from 2010 who are still in the system.
Actually, I tried to look up a Sgt. that had just retired, and he was gone the next day in the system.
If they want to really decrease or prevent crime, meaning less victims, than we should be at 15,000. All 13,500 is a budgeted number. It was really enough. And less supervision and support people spells disaster.
Tax payers pay enough not too be victimized!
What does a 9160 PO-Security Spec. do?
So, it just goes to show all you whiners that we aren't as far off of 13,000 as you would like to believe.
Now STFU and go back to being the police and doing your jobs!
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I didn't think McGruff read this blog. Now put down the beer and step away from the computer clown!!
Police agents are IAD, they get D2....
Police Agents are assigned to IAD. But if you leave IAD, you lose your "police agent" title and salary.
So, yes, my colleagues, those rats earn more money to be there.
"The department has roughly 6 armorers but unded code 9161."
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Unded code? Undead code!?! Unded code!!!!!!
Oh my God zombies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am assigned to o'hare airport 3W and i was told that we will NOT receive ANY G8 training. we are the front line of Homeland security at one of the busiest airports in the world. what's the deal?
What's a police agent?????
1/18/2012 12:14:00 AM
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FUCK OFF TROLLS
If you really were CPD with any time on the job you would KNOW.
We need the same info from the official budget
What's a police agent?????
its a special agent kinda like the FBI. you get a free black suit, sunglasses and an earpiece. and you talk to your wrist and hand out business cards that say your somebody.
Police agent = IAD.
A "police agent" is a PO assigned to IAD and getting D2 pay!!
Look at NY. They got what 50K and 9 of them are Detectives. CPD still gets more guns every year and has more murders. Shit I bet 80% of their Dets never even see a dead body. McAss
More chiefs than deputy chiefs? Ha! Fucking joke!
police agents work in IAD...figure it out
93 ETS? HAH? CRIME LAB?thin its less than that
Here's a 'snapshot' for you...IAD now has to stop investigating the old leak of our old numbers and start a new investigation on the new leak of our new numbers....and they were so close! This must be a New York Thing, you know, unique but crazy.
Police agents were assigned to the IAD as investigators. They originally were po's yo's, dets and then made police agents
Anonymous said...
So are we budgeted for 13,500 police officers (code 9161) or does that number include everybody on the police force including supervisors, et's, detectives, etc?
1/18/2012 02:19:00 AM
13,500 has always been for every sworn person from superintendent down to PPO. Has been this way for ever and has never been the number of 9161's only.
Do you think any of armorer's can make me a codpiece?
Wah Wah Wah, I'm so tired of everyone crying we are so short. 12,000 is a lot of police presence. Maybe if more guys and girls drove their cars around looking for crime, or even responding to it without staying down on it all day, their wouldn't be a (make-believe) shortage.
So are we budgeted for 13,500 police officers (code 9161) or does that number include everybody on the police force including supervisors, et's, detectives, etc?
1/18/2012 02:19:00 AM
The morons abound. After all these years, do we have to draw you a picture? There were NEVER anywhere close to 13,000 P. O.'s
Police agents work in IAD and get detectives pay.
Police agents work in IAD
Polie Agent is IAD
Does anyone have a list of armorers?
Police Agent is known more commonly as a I.A.D. Police Officer
I don't believe those numbers.
"Now maybe the loudmouths who constantly trash the lodge will have something to shut the fuck about."
Doubtful. As long as there's an anonymous forum in which to do their bitching (rather than actually attending a meeting or something), they'll be here, trolling away.
"...that the city had no real plans on asking outside agencies for help when the shit hits the fan come May."
What if Chicago called a 10-1 and nobody came?
Trouble is, I know a few suburban police chiefs and they'll send coppers to help if the call goes out.
They're happy to assist you & I (other coppers), but have no interest in helping Chicago (Rahm & Co.).
"Actually, the armorers position was absorbed by the FTU. The department has roughly 6 armorers but unded code 9161."
Yeah. It's a way to get around the contract. They're not getting paid as D-2, are they? Do they complete out-of-grade slips every day?
"So, it just goes to show all you whiners that we aren't as far off of 13,000 as you would like to believe."
We're no longer budgeted for 13,500. The superintendent eliminated the empty positions a few months ago, remember? We're leaner (doing more with less & less) and meaner (tired of the city's BS) now.
"Now STFU and go back to being the police and doing your jobs!"
Get serious. Not in this environment.
How many of the jo's/xo's are 60
merit hacks have no life
"...the cpd annual report."
Is somewhere on the department intranet. Though it's not monthly, annual reports from years past (back to the 60's, IIRC) are on there. The strength numbers aren't really all that different from years past.
Kudos to FOP for the lead story on Channel 5 News at 10 PM tonite. Shields put it right on the department on how piss poor our 'training' is in preparation for the G8 & NATO fiascos.
The department responded by having none other than Deb Kirby interviewed, who acknowledged that the city had no real plans on asking outside agencies for help when the shit hits the fan come May.
She also tipped her hand on how ill-prepared we are by telling Carol Marin and the rest of the world that most of us have had only a whole 8 hours of training/preparation for this travesty-in-the-making.
Keep exposing the incompetence guys!!! Good work!!!
1/18/2012 01:25:00 AM
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First off, the training t fis what is told to be trained by the FEDS. This is a National Special Security Event...
FEDS are at the helm, which means they have the cash, and money rules"... Secnond, Sheilds is a Dick for shedding negative light upon the Department.... If you want to bitch about something on the news, bitch about the lack of equipment the government/ department is providing, or better yet, Mr. President, why not bring your political hack candy ass through the training???!!!!! Yeah, I didn't think so!
With the G i.e.; FBI, DEA, ATF your considered a Task Force Officer (TFO). With Illiois State Police your considered a Special Agent, Detective Rank within ISP.
Scc those are chrystl numbers. The accurate #s are in CLEAR those numbers are a little lower 9161- 9378, 9165-965, 9171-1091, 9173-202.
Really shouldn't matter. Chrystl and CLEAR are both database applications that search the database fields per programmed criteria and return the results. Since the database is constantly being added to and subtracted from, the numbers will change slightly depending on when the query is run.
Would love to see the numbers run on 14 May 2012 compared to the numbers for 17 May 2012. After the personnel data files are updated.
Anonymous said...
SCC- years ago, the dept used to do a monthly strength report showing everyone from civilians to the top. Also...i think that same info was/is the cpd annual report. just a hint for you.
1/18/2012 07:16:00 AM
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The Strength Reort was printed weekly, and as far as I know still exists and is available through the Department's information system. I don't believe that it is restricted in any way, and is probably public knowledge. These numbers that are quoted pretty much reflect the latest published by the Pension Board's annual report.
A "police agent" is an IAD officer. and any police agent is going to be able to figure out who looked up all of those codes. in about 5 minutes. Hopefully someone was smart enough not to look up all of those numbers under their own PC, and then forward that to SCC.
1/18/2012 10:24:00 AM
And what will happen if you look up how many officers are on the dept. It's not like some top secret shit that we are not allowed to look at. It's accessible to the public even if they lie to the public about the real #s of manpower. Stop being so paranoid about every fucking thing.
I think the only way to settle this is to count off. I'll start:
"ONE!"
Anonymous said...
We have a police agent on our watch . She does the job of a regular P.O. but makes detective pay. She used to be IAD. That is where she got the title and they can't take it away. They stopped giving the title. But it must be nice making an extra 5k a year doing the same job as everyone else. Only in Chicago.
1/18/2012 08:01:00 AM
Oh boo hoo for you. Grow up. If she was able to get d2 pay how does that affect your salary? It doesn't. Someday you may be able to get a higher pay grade but I'm sure that you will give it all back if you are sent back to patrol.
What a bunch of whiners we have on this job these days. Try to think of the future instead of who you can beef about now. Someday it may be you someone is bitching about.
The me me me generation that is coming on now is full of whining crybabies.
Field Marshal Deb. Kirby leading us. What could possibly go wrong?
Other than delivering the Area #2 Det. log to HQ each morning, after a hard night studying her law books, and letting the other Dets. do her work, she is overly qualified. Another 19th Ward political hack, clueless, do-less, do nothing, know it all.
i am assigned to o'hare airport 3W and i was told that we will NOT receive ANY G8 training. we are the front line of Homeland security at one of the busiest airports in the world. what's the deal?
1/18/2012 12:15:00 PM
And what the hell do you think this mickey mouse training from this fucked up dept. going to do for you. An 8 hour class
Start late, several 20 minute breaks, hour and half lunch, leave a little early. So actual so called training maybe 4 hours. WOW now that's some real fucking training. I feel so prepared to take on the world. Bring it on protesters. LOL This dept blows!!!
I think the only way to settle this is to count off. I'll start:
"ONE!"
1/18/2012 04:54:00 PM
"13,500" See I told you we are at full strength.
Per the poor "Front Line" officer at O'Hare. I moved out of state after retirement 13 years ago. They certainly keep a low profile. The only two I have seen in the past three years were on the same day. Both were uniformed officers at different locations. One was yaking away on his cell phone in the middle of a group of people ignoring them. The other several minutes later was carrying luggage for and elderly couple and loaded it into their personal car.
I think they ought to clean out the arrogant clout do-nothing heavy O'Hare Detail.
What boss wrote STFU and go do your job?????
Why do we need 16 chiefs and dept. Chiefs? We have 46 commanders to do their jobs
I'll be on furlough during G8, I have total faith in the FOP. Make sure you all stop by my Kool-Ade stand and pour yourself a large cup of refreshment.
If we are so short, eliminate some units put more bodies answering calls.
This can't be accurate! Remember when they were sending around an example copy that had a deceased officers name on it. Just shows you they don't update the system. And how many have recently retired? How many are on the medical whether its IOD or medical/ light duty. Where are those #s?? Rahm knows those ones but he's hiding them! Be safe out there guys!
Anonymous said...
i am assigned to o'hare airport 3W and i was told that we will NOT receive ANY G8 training. we are the front line of Homeland security at one of the busiest airports in the world. what's the deal?
1/18/2012 12:15:00 PM
And what the hell do you think this mickey mouse training from this fucked up dept. going to do for you. An 8 hour class
Start late, several 20 minute breaks, hour and half lunch, leave a little early. So actual so called training maybe 4 hours. WOW now that's some real fucking training. I feel so prepared to take on the world. Bring it on protesters. LOL This dept blows!!!
1/18/2012 05:15:00 PM
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You obviously are not teir 1..... The 3day training with the Feds watching over us was run like a tight ship.
I'm just glad we got some training instead of none.
Just go out there and be the police.. Just remember, if you hit it, you own it. Justify it on paper with the truth of what happened, and you will be fine.. Unless you hit some one for no reason, then you be fucked- plain and simple!
I think the only way to settle this is to count off. I'll start:
"ONE!"
1/18/2012 04:54:00 PM
Good idea.
TWO!
Wah Wah Wah, I'm so tired of everyone crying we are so short. 12,000 is a lot of police presence. Maybe if more guys and girls drove their cars around looking for crime, or even responding to it without staying down on it all day, their wouldn't be a (make-believe) shortage.
1/18/2012 02:14:00 PM
Kind of agree with this...
"Field Marshal Deb. Kirby leading us. What could possibly go wrong?
Other than delivering the Area #2 Det. log to HQ each morning, after a hard night studying her law books, and letting the other Dets. do her work, she is overly qualified. Another 19th Ward political hack, clueless, do-less, do nothing, know it all."
No kidding....really, no kidding
Something is wrong with those numbers...
There were only 203 Lieutenants as of last month as when checked.
A "Police Agent" as I understand it is an investigator who works for IAD. Could this be a non-sworn person like a computer geek or former FBIer who does investigations?
The truest way to count may be to see how many UNIFORM ALLOWANCE CHECKS are given out on 1 February.
Everyone seems to be missing the point. Why is it so fucking difficult to get a real number of officers on a department? Is that not public record as a taxpayer funded municipal department?
Rahm and Daley before him want everything a secret so you don't ever learn just how much they're stealing from you. This is what you should be pissed off about as a citizen of this city.
They like to use words like "transparency" to keep you fools fooled. You are but sheep to be fleeced by the political class who enter public service broke and leave millionaires.
Now if you would only register to vote and vote them out, there might be some hope.
Scc those are chrystl numbers. The accurate #s are in CLEAR those numbers are a little lower 9161- 9378, 9165-965, 9171-1091, 9173-202.
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Sorry to tell you, but CLEAR is not accurate. There are units that don't show up in CLEAR but do in Crystal. Like IAD.
Lt's are under 200 and rapidly dwindling.
You have got to be kidding...these stats are there per design by the department and city heads. They are accurately false. Stop counting on the computer.
Logically we all know that there have been thousands of retired and just a few hundred hired. The math in your head is more logical than the department/city computer stats.
Just had my 8 hours of " station supv" training. I have to tell you what a complete waste of time. Basically I learned that you have to learn as you go all the W/C duties. They wasted one hour telling me that the dept. has an EAP program, another 45 minutes telling me that Dept is in the process of redoing GO's, another hour telling me u have 48 hours to get dude before a judge or release him (and don't trust dicks who don't care about 48 hour rule). Oh ya, had to watch the Lt. Who hasn't worked the street in years or been W/c in years fumble and bumble thru the arrest reports examples. At the end of the day, basically said do the best you can but your going to be held responsible. Not a single person teaching has done any real W/c functions in years. On the bright side , you PO's who want time due..... You got it!
The department has NO SKILLED LEADERS IN CHARGE. This is obvious by the blatant disregard and pure obstinence our leaders show us by not supplying us with the proper equipment.
Unfortunately, we have a bunch of test takers, with no street smarts or common sense running the show. The leaders we do have are being iced out by the know-it-all, book smart, no common sense, yes men at headquarters. I know for fact we have some high ranking US Military leaders working in this department, and our bosses need to put their pride aside and tap these leaders expertise.
Which leads me to the sad excuse for training the department is offering. (Loud speakers and marching? Really?) No training these hacks downtown are offering us will prepare us for what is coming. We need to try and absorb and execute what is being taught, but in the end we have only ourselves to depend on. We must work together and protect each other. We are the ones that will be out on the front line. Our safety if paramount. We must remain professional and show everyone that Chicago has the best damn coppers world.
"Chicago's Finest" is a term that still means something to me.
Like it or not Chicago is our home, it's where we forced to raise our families. We are sworn to keep this city, its residents, and it guests safe. Like it or not, it is our job. A thankless one at that , but our job none the less.
To those that are advocating letting the city burn, they not thinking rationally. Because if the city does burn, that means coppers are going to get hurt or worse killed. That is something that I can not get behind. and I'm sure that is something nobody wants to see happen, except maybe the protestors.
The question I have to those advocating letting the city burn is... How does the city burnning advance our agenda as a department? If the city burns does that get us raises, better equipment, better bosses. Heck no! It gets us hurt! Those in charge will be insulated, and we the men and women on the front line will be the ones that will be made to look incompetant. All of that being said, take the job for what it's worth. Steady pay, job security, and an opportunity to work along side some of the best men and women our society has to offer.
I know that's a lot of Rah-Rah crap, but I believe there is a lot truth in what I am saying. Sorry for the lengthy post and stay safe!
Anonymous said...
i am assigned to o'hare airport 3W and i was told that we will NOT receive ANY G8 training. we are the front line of Homeland security at one of the busiest airports in the world. what's the deal?
1/18/2012 12:15:00 PM
Yeah, we were going to give you training, but we couldn't wake any of you to tell you about it. Dont worry, when Al Quaida attacks one of the busiest airports in the world, I'm sure that you'll die a relatively painless death, transitioning from your normal state of sleeping......into a permanent state of sleeping... and the supervisors at the airport probably will not be able to ascertain the difference.... BOOYA... Deb!
Stop complaining and do your job. Back in the old days when 013 was a hopping' we cleaned up the crime at Smith Park and at Grand avenue. That was before everyone was on their cell phones. Just remember the Flying Wedge and wield your old hickory baton with wild abandon. Think of the war stories you young pups will have to Tweet about.
"So the all the blow hards in the districts and units can shut up and stop blaming low manpower for their low productivity."
That's a load of crap & you know it.
It the Army we had something called an MTOE; Modified Table of Organization & Equipment. It showed line by line what each unit was authorized in terms of materiel and manpower.
I've never seen such a document at CPD. They play with the numbers. Nobody knows what "authorized" strength is. 13,500, 9,000, whatever the actual number is will be meaningless without knowing the actual authorized strength.
Anonymous said...
What's a police agent?????
1/18/2012 12:14:00 AM
No one is really that dumb. Anyone with 5 minutes the on the job should know the P.O.'S in I.A.D. have the title of police agent
"What does a 9160 PO-Security Spec. do?"
Fetches the mayors laundry, to-go food, etc.
Anonymous said...
Hey what the heck is a Police Agent?
1/18/2012 10:00:00 AM
police agent is IAD not that you would known them by that title they also have covert badges, covert DL's so they can be anyone in any district or unit
"And what the hell do you think this mickey mouse training from this fucked up dept. going to do for you. An 8 hour class
Start late, several 20 minute breaks, hour and half lunch, leave a little early. So actual so called training maybe 4 hours. WOW now that's some real fucking training."
And all paid for by the G. Consider yourself "trained".
Maybe we'll get another Streaming Video on G8/NATO, in addition to the eLearning nonsense I just saw.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
i am assigned to o'hare airport 3W and i was told that we will NOT receive ANY G8 training. we are the front line of Homeland security at one of the busiest airports in the world. what's the deal?
1/18/2012 12:15:00 PM
How about you do a par form come to a district and get the training asshat? You can't be that stupid!
Seriously, we all need to STOP talking about G8. Let it go. the more we bitch the city may actually wake up and do something about it. Let the shit happen and when the dust settles just watch so you don't get hit by a rolling head. Personally I can't wait to make some popcorn and watch the fireworks!
BTW, if we are really lucky about 4 weeks after we will be getting even more OT for the Blackhawks and Bulls!
Again these numbers were provided on the 11th, SCC has a life outside of this and posted the thread yesterday....I know there were retirees in the last week, specifically Sgt's had 10.... These numbers reflect those that are sworn in CPD and yes they include those that are detailed to the FEDS... I believe LOA's are not reflected Light and Convalescent duty are also....
We have never had 13,500 PO's, it has always been a sworn total when mentioned...That being said, yes I believe according to the powers that be the authorized strength NOW is 12,230ish...
No matter what I still believe that we are under 10,000 Sworn Personnel. I hear constantly on many radio zones that there are no cars available. There has no been a decent hiring procedure in the last 10 years. I think all hell is going to break loose when the G8 Summit happens and we are just not prepared. Shame on the people in charge. We don't have enough people now to handle the serious crime problems, wait til this thing kicks off. I just wish that no one (US!!!) gets hurt or used by the media or the G8 protesters to get money through bullshit lawsuits. Wish the G8's would go after the Illinois politicians though...they are out of control.
"In 67/68 we had 14,000 sworn officers of which 1400 were detectives."
1/18/2012 01:01:00 AM
I'll bet you were thin and had hair too, doesn't really matter now does it?
Try switching to a fiber rich diet.
i am assigned to o'hare airport 3W and i was told that we will NOT receive ANY G8 training. we are the front line of Homeland security at one of the busiest airports in the world. what's the deal?
1/18/2012 12:15:00 PM
The deal is simple- there will be no riots at the airport. Ask your clout who got you in the airport numb nuts! It will all be 10 miles east of your location! Clout sure hasn't made you any smarter!
Who flippin cares! Do your job. Those close on Sgts and Dt. tests are screwed, me included. Turn on your camera, smile and tvb a shithead.
Again don't believe does numbers! Remember after Ofc. Bailey (RIP) passed the media embarrassed the department by announcing that the CPD was still listing him as an active member of the department. Can you imagine officers still being counted that retired or also passed,could range in the hundreds.
The only officers getting Dets pay are Detectives. Everyone else is only getting D2 pay.
A "police agent" is an IAD officer. and any police agent is going to be able to figure out who looked up all of those codes. in about 5 minutes. Hopefully someone was smart enough not to look up all of those numbers under their own PC, and then forward that to SCC.
1/18/2012 10:24:00 AM
And what will happen if you look up how many officers are on the dept. It's not like some top secret shit that we are not allowed to look at. It's accessible to the public even if they lie to the public about the real #s of manpower. Stop being so paranoid about every fucking thing.
wrong. per general order you cannont disseminate any information to the media regarding inter departmental issues or information. When you sign on to clear you are acknowledging that. A "blog" has been considered a media outlet by judges in the past. So yes, you can get in trouble... will you? Most likely not... but then again who knows with this sh*thole department.
i am assigned to o'hare airport 3W and i was told that we will NOT receive ANY G8 training. we are the front line of Homeland security at one of the busiest airports in the world. what's the deal?
1/18/2012 12:15:00 PM
And what the hell do you think this mickey mouse training from this fucked up dept. going to do for you. An 8 hour class
Start late, several 20 minute breaks, hour and half lunch, leave a little early. So actual so called training maybe 4 hours. WOW now that's some real fucking training. I feel so prepared to take on the world. Bring it on protesters. LOL This dept blows!!!
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I'm guessing you would have bitched had you not received a L o n g lunch or numerous breaks, or been able to leave a few min early, or would have bitched more had the training lasted a full week... But now that you have brought this info to the forefront, I suppose those that have not taken the class by now will probably be thanking you...
The truth of the matter is No length of training is going make much diffrence if we are out numbered, and are not given the tools to complete the job.
This training is designed mainly to protect the city in the event you fuck up! They can say "That's not the way he was trained"
.....The morons abound. After all these years, do we have to draw you a picture? There were NEVER anywhere close to
13,000 P. O.'s.....
In the 70's it was closer to 15,500!
I was at g8 training with someone from personnel, said there are 8457po, sgts, and lts, that's all. Told is numbers in computer all wrong. Give this number to the citizens and media.
If the numbers are correct, where is our man power? I remember a time where all the third watch cars were 10-4. Rapid response cars were 10-4. When we had two wagons in a district. Traffic cars and 06 cars. Tru/msf and other specialized units saturating the districts. New recruits coming into the districts on a regular basis. Seniority in the districts used to go up with time on the job, not down.
It just doesn't add up.
How can it?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think the only way to settle this is to count off. I'll start:
"ONE!"
1/18/2012 04:54:00 PM
Good idea.
TWO!
1/18/2012 07:05:00 PM
"1/2"... I'm being honest, with the long lunches and my general malaise... even counting me as 1/2 is a bit of a stretch, better make it a 1/4...
As I read some comments its obvious they are not written by oficers but rather bosses. Hmmmmmm maybe because they know media reads this as well
Enjoyed the comment, " stop bitching and look to the future," hahahaha. What future , not hiring , not promoting. Do you know something none of us do. There is a group with 9 yrs on , weren't offered any test or chance of promotion as of yet.
Oh yeah crystal ball says future looks bright.
Can I follow your yellow brick road, Dorothy?
So, it just goes to show all you whiners that we aren't as far off of 13,000 as you would like to believe.
Now STFU and go back to being the police and doing your jobs!
1/18/2012 01:35:00 AM
I sure hope your being sarcastic
/2012 09:31:00 PM
Anonymous said...
"So the all the blow hards in the districts and units can shut up and stop blaming low manpower for their low productivity."
That's a load of crap & you know it.
It the Army we had something called an MTOE; Modified Table of Organization & Equipment. It showed line by line what each unit was authorized in terms of materiel and manpower.
I've never seen such a document at CPD. They play with the numbers. Nobody knows what "authorized" strength is. 13,500, 9,000, whatever the actual number is will be meaningless without knowing the actual authorized strength.
1/18/2012 09:48:00 PM
The Strength Report, issued weekly to every unit, gave the total for each position, the total authorized for each position and showed how many we were over or under in each position. I'm pretty sure this still exists, but I am retired and someone active should be able to retrieve it. It is accurate in that it pulls the numbers from the payroll database.
Anonymous said...
Wah Wah Wah, I'm so tired of everyone crying we are so short. 12,000 is a lot of police presence. Maybe if more guys and girls drove their cars around looking for crime, or even responding to it without staying down on it all day, their wouldn't be a (make-believe) shortage.
1/18/2012 02:14:00 PM
Kind of agree with this...
1/18/2012 07:19:00 PM
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Hey ASSHOLES! If you two knew what the fuck you were talking about, you might be dangerous.
The majority of PO's on the A&A's are either RDO, on furlough or CU, P-Day...etc. That's a FACT.
We don't have 9000 PO's on the street, DUMB-ASSES!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"What does a 9160 PO-Security Spec. do?"
Fetches the mayors laundry, to-go food, etc.
1/18/2012 09:53:00 PM
Ask the guy assigned to the treasurer neely,look at the tape where he takes out her garbage yep that's it! 100K yearly and unlimited ot where do we sign up?
Where are the Inspectors ?
Police Officers are complaining
training starts late , 1 1/2 hour lunch , long breaks and leave early.
Looks like the new XO's as inspectors are not doing what they get paid for.
I know for fact we have some high ranking US Military leaders working in this department, and our bosses need to put their pride aside and tap these leaders expertise.
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Most "high ranking" military leaders are also book-smart bootlickers...not much different from CPD exempts except the military demands physical fitness and height and weight standards. They are better looking, but just as clueless.
Watch yourselves in May boys. The City will deny this but my wife works in one of the major companies downtown on Michigan Ave. They are telling her and her co-workers to be prepared to spend the entire week in May stuck inside their building as they expect major property damage and physical violence directed at them. The company ( a Fortune 500 company)is stocking up on food,water, survival supplies etc. to ensure the survival of it's employees. The company managment can't believe how City Hall is putting a positive spin on this. They are very,very worried!
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Back in Oct. I was scheduling appts. at a periodontist for May and they told me at THAT time, they planned on shutting their Michigan Ave. office for the week of the G8 fiasco...
Here is the link to the Pension Board Annual Report The last one is 2009. Page 37 of the report lists how many sworn members were paying into the pension fund each year. The most we ever had was 13,889 in 2001 and the least was 12,427 in 1968. Again this is not just police officers, it is all ranks. Take a look and quit believing the misinformation you hear from unreliable sources.
http://www.chipabf.org/ChicagoPolicePension/PDF/Financials/annual/Annual_Report_2009_Final.pdf
The only officers getting Dets pay are Detectives. Everyone else is only getting D2 pay.
1/18/2012 11:55:00 PM
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D-2 IS detective's pay. What's your point?
Something is wrong with those numbers...
There were only 203 Lieutenants as of last month as when checked.
A "Police Agent" as I understand it is an investigator who works for IAD. Could this be a non-sworn person like a computer geek or former FBIer who does investigations?
The truest way to count may be to see how many UNIFORM ALLOWANCE CHECKS are given out on 1 February.
1/18/2012 07:45:00 PM
A police agent is NOT a civilian.
A police agent is a police officer, by job title, who works in IAD. The original plan was to compensate those detectives, youth officers, etc., who went to IAD with a similar income level. It also allowed a police officer-agent to order another police officer to submit to a statement and allowed a police officer-agent to close out an investigation, rather than waiting for a sergeant to do it.
A police agent IS A SWORN POLICE OFFICER. No civilians are police agents. This is not rocket science.
wow you think they would have someone to fix firearms
no armourer? in house?
and one firearm id tech?
for a whole city?
"The only officers getting Dets pay are Detectives. Everyone else is only getting D2 pay.
1/18/2012 11:55:00 PM
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D-2 IS detective's pay. What's your point?"
D-2A is detective's pay.
"Ask the guy assigned to the treasurer neely,look at the tape where he takes out her garbage yep that's it! 100K yearly and unlimited ot where do we sign up?"
At your clout's office. This is Chicago, remember?
That's pretty much in line with what the lodge has been giving out. Now maybe the loudmouths who constantly trash the lodge will have something to shut the fuck about.
1/18/2012 01:06:00 AM
And if you believe those numbers, you are as big a moron as I suspect you are..
And DUFUS, your FOP is the most incompetent and in over their head group we have ever had representing us.
A police agent is the guy or gal who tells you take your gun off and lock in up but never searches you before you give a statement on the 5th floor--I.A.D.
Anonymous said...
WTF is a "police agent"
1/18/2012 12:09:00 AM
Detective grade pay working as investigator in IAD.
More smoke and mirrors!
And DUFUS, your FOP is the most incompetent and in over their head group we have ever had representing us.
1/20/2012 12:00:00 AM
As a matter of fact, I do not recall an FOP administration that was not heavily critisized, no matter what job they did and I can go back to the first one in 1981 with John Dineen. They have their department enemies, no matter what quality of work they do. I thinki it comes with the territory or from people who really do not participate, only criticize.
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