Someone Was Wondering...
...where's the promised equipment?
- When are the replacement shields coming in as promised? When are the new gas masks coming in as promised? When and where do I get my eye glass inserts? Why am I hearing that I have to pay for them? What about the insert for the helmet to stop the pee and poop or bleach from running down off my helmet into my eyes blinding me after jagoffs through this shit at me? Do we all get a shield? Are they supplying the front line officers with relief every other hour? How about water, gatorade, sandwiches? Porta Johns? Extra Mace? Extra Ammo? Flex Cuffs? Emergency first aid kits? I say call in the National Gaurd and put them througout the city in groups of 25 troops. Let the people know if shit goes postal, the military will do what needs to be done to restore order.
We were promised the same thing. After more than a few Bulls riots, we can barely see through the plastic shield.
Labels: safety issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
61 Comments:
Field Marshal Debbie will be safe in her bunker with our nitwit mayor directing this farce.
So whats the deal with "New Stars"?
Why do we need new stars?
How much is that going to cost?
Anyone with info?
Bulls Celebrations you mean
I still have my "Buco" helmet from 1968 with NO FACESHIELD.
When I was given it in the academy in 1990 they told me I could still find the old fashioned googles for it. THEN they told me to go to the next line where they gave me a fuckin' "Call Box key".
22 years later and this job is a bigger joke than ever!!!!
All one has to do is look at the settlements that are being paid out to the citizens that were unlawfully detained during the war protests a few years back. Talk about a cluster fuck. They had us commandering random cta buses trying to get ahead of of the protesters as they were making their way to Lake shore drive. After they were finally blocked at michigan and chicago anyone on the street was blocked from leaving. If im not mistaken the highest ranking officer on scene was Limon. And we all know how competent he was. We were told to start arresting everyone and to make sure we wrote our star numbers an the arrestees arms. Lol. Well you know what the smart ones did. These were all non violent protesters that just wanted to march. I cringe to see the chaos that will ensue in may.
None of that equipment has even been on the minds of our bosses. It needs to be. I hope a boss is reading this and takes credit for thinking it. I don't care if a boss does. This is about safety and we need the equipment for our safety. Obviously, we are going to have to buy some ourselves because the bosses won't care. Bring duct tape, extra water for drinking and cleaning. Coolers loaded with ice. Ice packs, chemical and frozen. First aid supplies as cfd may be nowhere near you. Change of clothes. Lots of snacks. You get the picture. Remeber, don't be selfish and share with fellow officers.
Apparently no alderman or friends/family of the political establishment have set up their business to be able to provide/ accept the no-compete bids yet.
That's my guess.
It's all about managing the crisis that's being created so that it doesn't go to waste isn't it?
For example:
If you make your demonstrators buy millions of dollars worth of insurance you can stick all the used equipment that is either broken, outdated, or that you just don't want anymore inside the trunk of some broken down old police cruiser making the insurance company pay for those things when they go up in flames.
It's a win-win really.
A nice insurance windfall just prior to contract negotiations and immediately after the city burns down would be good for moral.
Look at all the new toys we're buying you now with that insurance money! The greedy union is not dealing fairly and needs to give us something back in return. Ya know negotiate. We're reaching out across the isle and no-one is willing to meet us half way. Just look at all we are doing for you..you have spoken and we have listened..etc.etc. You know how the story will get played!
If the politicos play their cards right they can delay spending any of that money dragging things out into the end of 2012 using it all as a tool for their re-election campaigns.
We can approve the spending right after the summits, then spend six months or so holding special committees and stuff to ensure nothing changes hands until just before elections. Yipeee hey look the economy seems to be getting better illusion.
All hypothetical of course and some would call it...well you know what they would call it. Nevertheless it's probable not to far away from reality given this corporate puppet controlled government.
You can't sue the National Guard, therefore none of these assholes would even show up.
And of course then it would make sense to send out the National Guard...but we live in Chicago.
If the National Guard were able to blow up John Rambo, these anarchists don't stand a chance.
WE R FUCKED FOR G8.... hearing no new shields, or helemts.... and have not seen a replacement gas mask canister yet, pretty much everyone's expirted in 2010.... any po that is gets injured as a result of this at G8 should sue the fuck out of the city.... also any word on out side support i.e. the burbs????
I say use our military troops,and military equipment.
Rahm says no. You should be glad you have a job and volunteer your time and pick up the tab for gear whenever they plan an event to honor themselves.
While on the topic of promised equipment...
On of the guys on the watch shared this with me just today: while working on his Masters degree, he had to crunch numbers as part of a school project. What better to explore than the CPD's current situation regarding (THE LACK OF) proper equipment for the NATO and G8.
He researched various uniform and equipment suppliers and here's what he discovered...
As of 11 Aug 2011:
COMPANY: VCG
ITEMS: RIOT GEAR
PROPER BDU-
Proper BDU Trousers: $33.95
" " L/S Shirt: $33.95
" " S/S Shirt: $29.95
DAMASCUS-
Damascus Riot Gloves $23.95
" Chest Protector $96.95
" Shin Guards $59.95
" Forearm Protectors $18.95
" Gear Bag $73.95
" Elbow Pads $14.95
EMBRIODERY-
Star $5.00
Name Tag $5.00
Velcro Patch $7.00
HAT-
R & B Inc. - BDU Hat $13.95
GRAND TOTAL $417.50
GOOD riot-rated helmets (NOT the bullshit IDOT helmets issued to us in the academy), complete with leak-proof face shields can be had for roughly $200.00 depending on the vendor.
For the sake of argument, let's call the complete "Turtle Gear" get-up with helmet $625.00...which is about $175.00 LESS than what the city wants the clueless who would be dumb enough to volunteer to MFF to pony up.
Here's what I don't get: let's assume (generously) that 8,000 officers will see some kind of frontline action requiring the proper protective clothing/equipment. At $625 a head, this equates to an even $5,000,000.
Now let's go batshit crazy and pretend we actually have the "13,500"-strong department the media and brainwashed public think we do. Outfitting everyone at this fairytale number comes out to $8,437,500.
Now here's where you media fools need to pay attention. Unless the actual number is wrong, there's reportedly $56 MILLION in the kitty for this shit. Outfitting EVERYONE in your first line of defense in the protection of life and property (I think that's in our Oath somewhere) would be approximately 14% of the total, undoubtedly less because our true manpower numbers that actually see street/patrol duties are considerably lower (but this is a topic for another time).
Just exactly where is all this cash? Sure, a lot has to be spent on...ahem..."training costs", but surely there's got to be SOMETHING left over from that $56 million. Or did we not really have that amount of cash in the first place? These are very simple questions, formed from very simple mathematics, which will quite simply be ignored unless asked by the right people. Repeatedly.
Again, it must be stated that a beat cop doing a school project was able to research and crunch the numbers listed. That's right, a "dumb" blue shirt that, unless he purchases his own protective equipment, will likely be ill-prepared and ill-equipped come May, courtesy of inept planning on the parts of both the city and the CPD.
- Glen Popiela #14124
3rd Watch, 011
quit bitching and get in line for some OT, if you got any time on the job! use this to put some money or time on the books. remember the fire strike we all got a couple hundred hours.
1/17/2012 09:32:00 PM
I have money in the bank. I have hours on the books. Time with my family is more important than this bullshit.
You can take your 12 hour days and o.t. and stick it up your ass. In case you haven't noticed nobody in this city except Rahm wants this fucking event.
1/18/2012 06:17:00 PM
Well, I'll just bet you can take that bank account along with you as you look for a new job.
You don't work at an accounting firm; you're (ostensibly) the police.
In other words, the twelve hour days and the overtime are MANDATORY, junior, not elective. Grow up. None of us WANTS this mess our mayor has brought to the city, but we're all stuck with it. Even you.
1/19/2012 06:20:00 PM
Ah, the entitlement generation. Took the job for the perks, and can't understand there are actually some responsibilities that go along with it.
Troops on the streets, sheeeit !
I had a buddie in the army reserve in LA for the king riots. They drove around in 2 1/2 ton trucks w/ unloaded weapons past car loads of bangers brandishing weapons and did nothing.
At least the police would have shot them.
Get some CONTRACTORS in here and all bets are off.
As a det., the last training I went to was the terrorist bullcrap that was mostly watching videos...and if you see something, say something, keep your eyes open, etc. They were giving out gas masks after that if I remember correctly--and they ran out, so I never got one.
My helmet is from 1968 at least. Ridiculous. Not that det's are expected to be on the front lines, but you never know....and there has been no training about mass arrest procedures, where we will be sent, nothing, not a peep about any of it.
More importantly, how many radios will be available, and how are we going to get replacement batteries when they die?
No worries SCC...
The smartest itinerant gypsy traveler rent-a-cop ceo and the smartest mayor in the history of this city are on the case. They got a "plan," they're too smart to know they actually don't have one.
Which is why when they revolve their dentures about things like decency, honor, accountability and integrity; it sounds like the grown-up talk from a Charlie Brown special.
If the two of them had good sense they would be frightened out of their wits at the ugly shit on the horizon.
Had the one day refresher on Tuesday (which was a disaster) but the Lt. in charge said they just received the new shields.
The only shield we're getting are panty shields. You know once the shit hits the fan. Event 10976
Cancel the G8 and NATO meetings. Chicago can't handle it and the TAXPAYER can't afford it. How many millions of dollars will it cost to repair all the things that get broken?
I was curious about the FOP comments. Has Mike Shields or the safety committee visited the academy and talked to the instructors for G-8 training? Has FOP or Shileds ever observed the 3 day training or the one day training? Have they ask or discussed the equipment problem with the academy or at 35th street? When you speak, have knowledge of the topic. Garbage in garbage out. Maybe as a leader, Shields, should learn more about the actual training and equipment before he speaks. Would it kill you Mike to sit thorugh the training? Or your safety committee? Who developed and designed this training? learn the facts first.
It's like they want us to fail.
Let the protester have the city!
I'm not getting hurt for shit!
But I have a CALL-BOX KEY said...
"I still have my "Buco" helmet from 1968 with NO FACESHIELD.
When I was given it in the academy in 1990 they told me I could still find the old fashioned googles for it."
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WTF???
So, when you would misplace your eye protection, would you then be conducting a "google" search?
Sorry... sometimes I'm just not right in my head...
What happened to the almost $60 million the govt gave Chicago to prepare for this? I have already spent more than my uniform allowance in extra tools and safety equipment for this event as I plan for the worst and hope for the best. I will not wear that IDOT approved motorcycle helmet I have my own riot helmet painted the same as the dept. issued piece of crap. I have my own MK-9, etc. I will go home and my partner will go home safe but tired.
This city can burn, as long as all of the officers remain safe.
So whats the deal with "New Stars"?
Why do we need new stars?
How much is that going to cost?
Anyone with info?
1/20/2012 12:04:00 AM
The new stars with RFID chips inside. Programmable to allow you into controlled access does like the key card doors in the new stations. Also capable of tracking ones movement through said doors (or anywhere with the proper sensors).
highly sensitive stuff will require a star, id card swipe combo. Sold to FOP as an asset to securing stations for officer safety, but it will be a sure way for the city to tell when you are at work our leaving early. This is the new punching in, but instead all you have to do is walk in.
Real hush hush stuff at 35th st. They really don't want anyone knowing until after it is implemented and they collect their data. It's been ready for months, but no boss will pull the trigger on an implementation plan, because they don't have their subordinates on board to be the fall guys if it fails (po's in the office are totally unaware).
Have fun with the early ducks and ghost cars guys, they will be having their fun pretty soon.
Everyone keeps asking "where's all the money going?". Here's a little inside on that. The department is counting in ALL wages from the officers that go to training and taking it from the $56 million. This includes 1day training, 3day training, refresher training, as well as the salaries that they are paying the trainers for doing the training.
From that $56 million kitty they are also subtracting Kirby and Stevie G's salary and ANY overtime and expenses related to training those two.They have both flown out of town for "meetings" and other g8 related stuff. That's right, all paid for out of the kitty. (Also anybody attending any sort of G8 related meeting)
It's nothing but a way to siphon from the kitty and return unused budgeted salary money back to the city's general budget to be used as the mayor sees fit (ie Corp incentives for his friends)
THAT'S why there isn't any money left for the equipment.
I don't get that POTUS is from here. A sane person would not want anarchy here in his home town. Wouldn't he do everything thing his power to make sure the line of defense holds?
First aid supplies as cfd may be nowhere near you.
CFD does not go into violent areas. You will be on your own.
I am at the shot show in Vegas. Someone from cpd should be here buying this stuff. The gear here is amazing.
Ah, the entitlement generation. Took the job for the perks, and can't understand there are actually some responsibilities that go along with it.
1/20/2012 02:00:00 AM
i presume you are talking about the politicians currently in office.
Just ask officer P the IT guy and Sgt H who dont know their ass from a hole in the ground teaching the G8 class. They will be able to answer your questions.
You guys on the streets of Chicago during this CF are so screwed it isn't even funny. Raccoon Eyes is clueless and endangers every last one of you sent out for crowd control with missing/defective/outdated equipment. This sounds like what the red army did during WWII by sending the raw recruits out with 5 rounds of ammunition and telling them that their weapon is lying on the ground. Good luck as you will need it if things go poorly.
Get this, all you tier 1 officers. Nobody will have radios so you wont have to worry about your battery dieing cituations. Only the supervisors will have radios. I totally disagree with that. We all should be able to communicate with each other and hear whats going on around us with all the areas. If you get seperated or shit hits the fan and 3 or 4 of us are cornered in an alley and we're taking fire, I'd love to be able to call for help. Maybe I can send up a flare from the flare guns that we dont have.
Gas mask filter is expired. They told me at training, "don't worry about it kid". If it's no big deal, why have an expiration date?
- Glen Popiela #14124
3rd Watch, 011
1/20/2012 01:48:00 AM
I know nothing about you, never met you, but damn, I'd like to shake your hand!!! One of the best, most honest, non-confrontational posts I've ever seen here.
I'd bet not one of your questions gets answered. Congrats, none the less!
7-11 and Dunkin donut could step up to the plate and provide free food, drink and toilet access to Police and Fire. The least they could do considering all the Police service they get all year long removing homeless from the stores downtown.
quit bitching and get in line for some OT, if you got any time on the job! use this to put some money or time on the books. remember the fire strike we all got a couple hundred hours.
and maybe the juries at the Dirksen Building will even let you keep some of it.
I love you Glen. You are the Marge to my Homer
quit bitching and get in line for some OT, if you got any time on the job! use this to put some money or time on the books. remember the fire strike we all got a couple hundred hours.
1/17/2012 09:32:00 PM
I have money in the bank. I have hours on the books. Time with my family is more important than this bullshit.
You can take your 12 hour days and o.t. and stick it up your ass. In case you haven't noticed nobody in this city except Rahm wants this fucking event.
1/18/2012 06:17:00 PM
Well, I'll just bet you can take that bank account along with you as you look for a new job.
You don't work at an accounting firm; you're (ostensibly) the police.
In other words, the twelve hour days and the overtime are MANDATORY, junior, not elective. Grow up. None of us WANTS this mess our mayor has brought to the city, but we're all stuck with it. Even you.
1/19/2012 06:20:00 PM
Ah, the entitlement generation. Took the job for the perks, and can't understand there are actually some responsibilities that go along with it.
1/20/2012 02:00:00 AM
Sorry I'm not junior or feel entitled. I know I have to do this that if I don't retire before May. I have over 20 years on this dept. I can collect a pension if I choose. I'm just stating like most that this event is stupid and most agree we are not prepared. Read the comments from several posts for the past several months. Nobody wants this event. But if you want to be that go getting hard charger that you are go for it.I'm not going to sit behind a computer a label you since I don't know if you are a young new guy or someone in the KMA club like me. Stay safe, don't get hurt. And enjoy your big o.t. check for this event.
quit bitching and get in line for some OT, if you got any time on the job! use this to put some money or time on the books. remember the fire strike we all got a couple hundred hours.
1/17/2012 09:32:00 PM
I have money in the bank. I have hours on the books. Time with my family is more important than this bullshit.
You can take your 12 hour days and o.t. and stick it up your ass. In case you haven't noticed nobody in this city except Rahm wants this fucking event.
1/18/2012 06:17:00 PM
Well, I'll just bet you can take that bank account along with you as you look for a new job.
You don't work at an accounting firm; you're (ostensibly) the police.
In other words, the twelve hour days and the overtime are MANDATORY, junior, not elective. Grow up. None of us WANTS this mess our mayor has brought to the city, but we're all stuck with it. Even you.
1/19/2012 06:20:00 PM
Ah, the entitlement generation. Took the job for the perks, and can't understand there are actually some responsibilities that go along with it.
1/20/2012 02:00:00 AM
Sorry I'm not junior or feel entitled. I know I have to do this that if I don't retire before May. I have over 20 years on this dept. I can collect a pension if I choose. I'm just stating like most that this event is stupid and most agree we are not prepared. Read the comments from several posts for the past several months. Nobody wants this event. But if you want to be that go getting hard charger that you are go for it.I'm not going to sit behind a computer a label you since I don't know if you are a young new guy or someone in the KMA club like me. Stay safe, don't get hurt. And enjoy your big o.t. check for this event.
Just wondering....can the FOP file a lawsuit on the basis that we're going to be thrown on the front lines without the proper protective helmet and force the city to issue us the appropriate headgear?
- Glen Popiela #14124
3rd Watch, 011
Great job. The truth is out there. The right people need to see this.
Take a look at the Occupy Chicago home page and you can see the list of the supplies they have. Very interesting.
They have a new office at Cermak and lumber. A huge warehouse.
They will be better supplied than us.
FYI those old call box keys were selling in the $ 40 range on Ebay !!!!
as rahm says take advantage of a bad situation. get his pal ob to send some funds for the city. the mayor and police commissioner in ny cry the blues and the money rolls in. no its better to charge dog owners for being dog owners. no wonder we are broke.maybe ob dont like chicago any more. just when he needs money for reelection.
It's funny because our current helmets don't meet the NIJ standards for riot helmets. We have glorified motorcycle helmets that are not made for riot control. Is the city going to pay for the officers when they get sick or injured from the piss, shit, bleach, alcohol, exc that gets thrown at us? The way our helmets are designed everything is going to drip of the helmets down our face and back of our necks. Where is the fop to bring this up?
2012 12:20:00 AM
Anonymous said...
None of that equipment has even been on the minds of our bosses. It needs to be. I hope a boss is reading this and takes credit for thinking it. I don't care if a boss does. This is about safety and we need the equipment for our safety. Obviously, we are going to have to buy some ourselves because the bosses won't care. Bring duct tape, extra water for drinking and cleaning. Coolers loaded with ice. Ice packs, chemical and frozen. First aid supplies as cfd may be nowhere near you. Change of clothes. Lots of snacks. You get the picture. Remeber, don't be selfish and share with fellow officers.
1/20/2012 12:21:00 AM
Where is the FOP union on this huge issue? Where is the FOP safety committee? Hiding in your office? Instead of listening to rumors, gather the facts about training and the equipment to protect the front line officers? Maybe there are plans in the immediate future that you are not aware of, Mike? Of course, the odds that Kirby and Georges looking out for the officers are slim and none, still conduct a fact finding mission. Hello Mike Shields.
".... also any word on out side support i.e. the burbs????"
No agreements made, i.e. city not indemnifying them. Many hesitant to come.
I know a couple of suburban chiefs who essentially said they'll send help for 10-1's (to help the troops), but as one said "Fuck the city!"
"Get some CONTRACTORS in here and all bets are off."
Xe (formerly Blackwater) and EO have expressed interest...
"More importantly, how many radios will be available, and how are we going to get replacement batteries when they die?"
You won't need a radio. You'll be downtown with the rest of the assholes in patrol, getting your ass kicked. Everyone will know your situation and where you're at.
Rahm via his "Minister of Police Information" McCarthy will be telling everyone "Everything is under control. Go on about your business."
Is each officer on the front lines supposed to have a riot shield? I heard the anticipated number of protestors we could encounter went from 100,000 to nearly 300,000 all of which are pissed off at something. And our 800 officers on the front lines are supposed to what now?
Who's scammin with the fed money for this event? The security monies should have outfitted the officers as well as intense, consistent training.
we get none.
I don't have any problem with the protesters expressing their beliefs. It's what this nation was founded upon. What I do have a problem with is them attacking the police, who enjoy the same constitutional rights as they do.
Attacking police doesn't serve any purpose except to hurt those trying to protect those constitutional freedoms and the welfare of citizens.
They would be better off expending their energy by mobilizing their enthusiasm behind political candidates who can effect the change they seek.
Attacking police will simply make them look like thugs. Anarchy doesn't solve problems.
If im not mistaken the highest ranking officer on scene was Limon. And we all know how competent he was. We were told to start arresting everyone and to make sure we wrote our star numbers an the arrestees arms. Lol. Well you know what the smart ones did. These were all non violent protesters that just wanted to march. I cringe to see the chaos that will ensue in may.
1/20/2012 12:20:00 AM
Nice try Jimmy.
Mauer was in charge of this fiasco. He was in a hurry to get to Georgas and Kenneedy's promotion party at Excalibur and gave the order to clear it. His deposition on it was a complete mess. Our hero.
I don't get that POTUS is from here. A sane person would not want anarchy here in his home town. Wouldn't he do everything thing his power to make sure the line of defense holds?
1/20/2012 08:48:00 AM
His background is 'community organizer'. He is, at best, naive and idealistic, believing the protestors will do nothing more than carry signs and hold hands in the park whilst skipping around the fountains.
Rahm, however, SHOULD have known better.
Glen Popiela #14124
3rd Watch, 011
Great job. The truth is out there. The right people need to see this.
Take a look at the Occupy Chicago home page and you can see the list of the supplies they have. Very interesting.
They have a new office at Cermak and lumber. A huge warehouse.
They will be better supplied than us.
1/20/2012 02:17:00 PM
isnt this guy the editor of the FOP newsletter? just askin'
To put it in a nutshell...we're screwed!The days are counting down and nothing is coming our way in equipment. Like one poster said, " start preparing and keep safe."
"I don't get that POTUS is from here. A sane person would not want anarchy here in his home town."
--1/20/2012 08:48:00 AM
He isn't from here. He isn't really from anywhere. He describes himself as a "mutt."
He seems to be from Kenya, and spends as much time as possible walking the beach in Hawaii, eating "shave ice." He has played over 250 18-hole full courses of golf since taking office, more than any other President.
Not a real confidence-builder.
Did you know that there is a meaning to those heroic statues in parks? Guy seated on a horse; there is a "code" that if the horse is rearing up, the rider died in battle; if the horse has all four feet on the ground, he died peacefully of natural causes. Something like that.
The Obama statue will have a milk cow laying on its side on the ground, with Obama standing there pulling at the reins, trying to make it get up so that a few more drops can be squeezed out...
At this point, with 4 months to go, it looks like Occupy and Black Bloc are better prepared than CPD. It is the perfect storm.
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